Ranking The Coors Batting Titles
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The Rockies have had a long history of producing numerous batting titles from a variety of different players. Why is that? In this presenation, I explain why offense is of no shortage in Denver and rank what I consider to be the best batting titles to come from the Mile High City.
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Here's a fun fact: In Todd Helton's first 532 plate appearances of the 2000 season, he had 178 hits in 445 at-bats. That's a .400 batting average, and with enough plate appearances to qualify it for a full season. Far as I know, he's the only player to pull that off since WIlliams.
That 532nd plate appearance was a 6th inning single on August 21, 2000. He went on to strikeout in the 8th inning and groundout in the 9th to dip the average below .400 for good.
Hall of fame, brother
god I love Larry Walker. nothing better then a good old walker Home Run. He looks really good in the Rockies jersey. best Canadian batter of all time. I love Larry Walker
King of Canada
I feel lucky to say I saw him play in person
As much as I respect his ability, everytime I think of him, I think about when he forgot how many outs there were. Which honestly just makes him more likable.
I mean Joey Votto…
@@squealingsalamander6546 larry clears
Babe wake up no more fielders posted for the second time this month
A very rare occurrence apparently
Honestly the lamest comment I've ever seen.
Wild that Dante Bichette never got a batting title in Colorado. I was thinking he would for sure be on this list. Great videos, man! I really like your channel.
Same, especially considering that he is the all time single season franchise hits leader.
And thank you!
Same for the Blake street bombers I used to think bichete was just below walker but above Castilla and galaraga so seems like he should have won at least one
“Never really stood out among the best…like Pearl Jam” YOU TAKE THAT BACK! TEN IS A MASTERPIECE! And Vs, Vitology, and Yield are solid too!
Personally I love Pearl Jam, but I gotta be honest with myself, they don’t hold a candle compared to the other big 3 grunge bands despite having the longevity.
Also their self titled album is very underrated and “You Are” off of Riot Act is a sleeper hit despite sounding like it came with every purchase of a Windows Vista.
@@nomorefielders I think I can see that. I mean Cobain is a huge artsistic influence of mine, Nevermind is the first album I heard front to back and my second favorite album ever, and In Utero is prob top 25 itself. And I’m a huge Soundgarden supporter too, I think Superunknown deserves to be more often listed as the monumental moment in rock it is. Maybe I’d argue back and forth about PJ and Chains…I dunno it’s hard to say, PJ had some crazy high highs, but Chains cranked out more consistently great vinyl. I dunno if I could really argue there’s a slouch there. I guess PJ has the lowest lows with their early 2000s stuff being a bit sleepy…but also they’re the only one to make it that long so it almost feels unfair lol. Regardless I think I love all of them too much to throw any under the bus.
@@AdequateEmily oh trust me I grew up a grunge kid. Chris Cornell was the first and only celebrity death I actually had a breakdown over. I just think each of the other 3 bands had an X factor that made them stand apart. Nirvana with their DIY/punk attitude that they never fully shook even when topping the billboard charts, Soundgarden with their sheer musicianship (Matt Cameron is the reason I play the drums to this day), Alice In Chains with the deliberate ugliness in their music. Pearl Jam just never had anything that made me think they were anything other than a solid rock band.
@@nomorefielders I watch the video this morning and heard your comment on Pearl Jam. I didn't agree but I understand why you said it, my parents went to Pearl Jam concerts when they were younger. I heard some of their music in my younger years , didn't start listening to them on my own till my teenage years. While I don't agree with your comment I understand where you're coming from there were great alternative rock bands in the 90s. None of them have clicked for me for how Pearl Jam has clicked for me, never really liked listen music much before then. The self title album is underrated for sure! Another one that is underrated for me is Binaural a lot of good tracks on there.
Todd Helton Hall of Fame members unite!
I love these videos.
Funny thing is I wasn’t on the Todd Helton Hof bandwagon until making this video
Hall of fame, brother
One of the greatest years of my life was being in Colorado during walkers mvp season. My uncle worked for the lottery so we got to see the Blake street bombers in person often. I think I remember that year walker had 49 home runs and went to the last game where he didn’t play and we were all cheering for him to come out and get 50.
Blake Street Bombers might be my favorite team moniker of all time
I don't really comment on videos, but this channel is real great.
I really appreciate that
Great work as always
Congrats on the vid sponsor. Keep grinding brother
Thanks Nukem, fruits of my labor finally paying off
If you do another video like this, I think it would be worth using rate stats adjusted to the offensive environment of the particular season.
It’s tough to compare something like K-Rates from the 1990’s and 2010’s. Completely different eras. Maybe consider K-Rate percentile for the season.
For example, Matt Holliday may have struck out 17.7% of the time in 2007 but he had a 107 K%+. (He struck out 7% more often than the average hitter in 2007.)
Meanwhile, Michael Cuddyer had a 18.5% K-Rate in 2013 which was worse than Matt Holliday’s 2007 by raw K-rate but was actually better by K%+ (98 vs 107)
Love the content! Keep up the great work!
I like that idea a lot actually. I did stray away from using era contextual stats just bc I wanted to rank them among each other (I didn’t want to punish a player bc leaguewide offensive numbers were high the year they won their batting title) bud those adjusted stats seem to speak more towards quality of pitching. I’ll definitely keep that in mind when I do another video like this.
Life long Rockies fan who thinks the media over enforces the Coors effect when considering awards (while never mentioning it when our pitches are elite despite it!) Loved the video, and glad Todd finally made the hall! Great content!
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IIRC OPS+ is park adjusted (among other things) so I think that could have helped. Also I don’t know how to do this but somehow incorporation BABIP since that as you pointed out is a big Coors Effect, well, effect
Yeah I debated trying to find a way to incorporate BABIP, but I didn’t know if it was the right move to punish players on this list for having a high or low BABIP, hence why I used K and BB rate instead since there isn’t much vagueness for how we value those.
Holy shit, No More Fielders. After that incredible Chipper Jones video and you’ve already got a great video
Y’all really out here making my day. Appreciate it
Todd Helton's 2000 season is absurd and he didn't get enough love for the MVP back then. Hitting at Coors then was wayyyy more stigmatized than it is now. Combo of the humidor, laypeople understanding plus stats, the baseball intelligentsia coming around to the idea of the Coors hangover effect, etc
I guarantee you if Helton had that type of season after 2010, he'd have been the MVP winner, or at the very least runner up. Especially since modern voters are way more open to giving awards like that to guys on non playoff teams.
@@SmoothCriminal12 probably, but he played in a certain era. He'll be voted into the HOF next ballot and his 5 year prime is up there with the best so he'll get his due
Hall of fame, brother
Todd Helton not winning mvp in 2000 was the greatest award robbery in sports history
Finally, someone gets it.
Hall of fame, brother
Was surprised to hear you say you didn’t like Holliday as a kid. Matt Holliday is a top 5 favorite Cardinal for me of all-time, dude was a crazy hitter, very underrated, and as consistent as they come.
It wasn’t that I didn’t like him, moreso he never was the most exciting player on the field at any given time. I was more inclined to tune into a Carlos Gonzalez at bat than a Holliday at bat. What’s funny is that his son is the complete opposite, where I truly believe he’s going to be the most exciting player on an exciting orioles team.
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good content. Need more rockies truthers out there
We Rockies truthers actually meet up every weekend at the local biker joint if you’re interested.
Cuddyer and Morneau leaving MN and winning batting titles in Colorado was fun to see as a die hard Twins fan!
I’ll watch this video after I get gas but i bet it will be good!
Cool deal
Coors, the banquet stadium. All of this talk of good rockies breaks my heart to think of Arenado.
Another fun Helton fact: he is one of only 3 players to have 100 extra base hits in a season twice, alongside Lou Gehrig and Chuck Klein. And of those 3, he is the only one to do it in consecutive years
Hall of fame, brother
Air density is the primary factor in drag forces and magnus forces, not pressure, though the two are clearly directly correlated
Todd Helton has to be one of the more underrated players of all time
Facts
YES TODD HELTON SUPREMACY
Hall of fame, brother
@@nomorefielders thanks in no small part to you
I love Todd Helton man.. Unreal guy
Hall of fame, brother
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Your welcome
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@@nomorefielders it especially helps that I actually have a Larry Walker story. A few years ago I wrote him a letter voicing my support for his spot in Cooperstown with one of my cards. He mailed it back in back in just a few weeks autographed and personalized to me.
@@brendanables7367that is so awesome. Larry Walker is the GOAT
@@nomorefielders Glad Todd Helton is finally joining him in Cooperstown. Way overdue
I couldn't agree more. I understand the exclusivity is deeply important to many but he's a HOFer by any conceivable standard that's based in facts and logic. It's crazy...
Holy shit this is a great channel
Thank you
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I was worried there for a second
I also think Todd Helton is a HOF, not just for his gaudy stats, but don't sleep on his defense either. As far as I could remember, he was a pretty good defender at 1B in his prime. For what it's worth, anyway, because, well, it's still 1B.
Also, I see you putting out my childhood SM64 music on that list. Respects, man. Maybe you should look into the soundtrack of SM64 B3313 in future vids. It's a beta mod that has equally as amazing music. :)
Hall of fame, brother
Also thank you for the music recc! Will def look it up!
I would think the Mariners also have that achievement. How many Batting titles between Edgar Martines, Ken Griffey Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Jay Buhner. The only postseason wins I can think of are 3 vs. Yankees in 1995, a few vs the Orioles, a few vs the Yankees in 2000/2001, and the wild card win vs Toronto last season
Good catch but they actually have won 16 total games compared to what I believe is only 4 Batting champions, good catch though they would be the closest to challenging the Rockies achievement.
fun vid! i think if i were doing a ranking i’d have used plus stats like K%+, BB%+, and AVG+ to factor in the leaguewide tendencies and account for livelier balls from year to year. WAR does factor those things in, but that’s getting weighed down by the other stats pretty hard here.
anyway, still a neat premise and interesting exercise. how can you not be pedantic about baseball?
ooh i think i’d have also included a way to weigh the number of plate appearances outside of the penalties inherent to WAR. it’s a huge factor in rate stats that i think can’t be understated
That’s the beautiful thing about data. We could both look at the same numbers and jump to wildly different conclusions. That’s why I make sure I’m clear that these are my rankings, and that I could’ve easily reshuffled some of the weights, metrics, etc and come out with a different ranking. That being said I do like your methodology. WAR bakes in some of the playing time aspects, but I did try to stray away from any of the league weighted metrics just bc I wanted to compare these hitters to each other in a vacuum, not to the rest of the league.
@@nomorefielders in a vacuum? hmm, interesting, that’s not the vibe i got at all considering how you weighed road OPS & their non rockies numbers. they’re playing against different strengths of pitching with different baseballs and literally different ballparks so you’re gonna get a lot of noise that’s not adjusted for. tons of different ways to butterknife it but i got more of a “quick and dirty” vibe from your combined stat than “laboratory” (which is not an insult at all! i love me some quick and dirty)
why didn't you use babip or home run rate in the ranking
Babip- I didn’t know whether to punish or reward players for having a high babip so I just used BB and K Rate since there aren’t any discrepancies with those 2. We know a high k rate is bad and a high walk rate is good.
For HR% - I thought about it but felt like it the other metrics (WAR, Road tOPS+) did a better job of surmising their performance than homer rate alone.
charlie blackmon was great, love him
Todd Helton was built different
Hall of fame, brother
12:58 cuddyyyyyyyyyyyy
Todd Helton is a HOFer, also hi Twins legends Morneau and Cuddy love you guys
Hall of fame, brother
Wow I cooked with that one@@nomorefielders
I'm surprised the last time the record was achieved 2017, aka 6 years ago. Thought it would've been broken by now(Breaking the record is a canon event)
Actually if my math serves me correct, if a Rockie doesn’t win the batting title this year, it will officially break the longest drought from 2001-2007
Hey now, no disrespecting Pat Collins. No he wasn't the damn Babe. But he was a catcher with power (8hr in 127 ABs in 1922) who would have walked 100+ times if he played a full season (15.9% for his career).
Also wtf the Rockies once had 4 out of 5 batting tiles?!
Pre humidor Coors was insane
Todd Helton and DJ LeMahieu: future hall of Gamers
Gonna be chills when DJ LeMahieu gets inducted into the Yankees hall of fame with Gleyber Torres
Hall of fame, brother
Look at Nolan's #'s his 1st couple of years in STL for a decent & recent example of someone disproving the Coors effect...
Even with a "below(4him) average" 1st season for the redbirds his overall #'s are strikingly similar to his time in Colorado & arguably would have been just as good had anyone other than Goldschmidt helped him contribute at the dish!!!
Edit: seriously it's been brutal for him, if he doesn't go yard & Paul doesn't laser a double to the gap in front of him he's screwed #'s wise bcuz he can't produce runs...
So uh do the Rockies need a dome?
Welp he made it yall !!
Helton's numbers are inflated by Coors. But he still was a great hitter. I would vote for him for the HOF. As a fielder he was pretty good as well.
Hall of fame, brother
Coors Field is essentially 200cc in Mario Kart 8. Total chaos with shit flying everywhere.
That is actually a great comp, you wanna be my underwriter?
@@nomorefielders lol sure
Justin Morneaus highest non Rockies average was .345 in 2010. I know it might not make a difference.
I didn’t count that since he only played half a season, but honestly I should’ve done the same for Cargo 😂😂
Of course Helton should be in the hall. Hell Helton and Hall roll off the tongue together. Match made miles high
Todd Hallton sounds about right
"He's the Pearl Jam of baseball players"
Take that back Pearl Jam is amazing (at least their first few albums)
Matt Holliday was also a beast at his peak. Comparing them to each other isn’t necessarily an insult to either
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I ask myself that question every night
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Lol @2:05 Cleveland clevelanders
Would be working on winning ring number 4 if they used that name.
I’m gonna hang my batting average degree in my office over my 4 year degree
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The Pearl Jam of baseball is not a bad title to own!
That’s what I’ve been saying. Nothing wrong with a little Pearl Jam.
Let’s pretend that most recent postseason win didn’t happen(I’m a cubs fan in denial)
I was going to do a video on that game, as well as the NL Central tie breaker the day before, but I won’t as to respect the wishes of Cubs fans.
@@nomorefielders I’d honestly watch that, as long as you were to include other division/league tiebreakers(maybe a passing reference to Bobby Thompson in there)
Gallaraga hit .402 at home in 1993. Without that Colorado effect Tony Gwynn would have 9 batting titles. It was .370 to .358. Most years the Rockies had at least 3 players in the top 10 of batting average. Check some of the names of these stars. Kingery, Hammonds, Burks, Young, Pierre, Cirillo and of course Bichette. All Colorado batting titles should come with an asterisk.
Todd Helton was one of the best baseball players I have ever seen. Him not being a HOF player is a travesty.
Hall of fame, brother
Does somebody need to explain to you what a single is? Ever heard of Fenway?
What is a single
And what is a Fenway
Ratio + watch the video + L
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wait yandy diz is THAT OLD NOW WHAT THE HECK
If altuve didn't cheat.blackmon and djlemon would have 2 titles each
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And Stark Raving Sports.
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@@kimblandino I consider 3 of those a compliment and the other 2 an insult.
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LARRY
Hey great vid (first)
You were watching it at x3000 speed I’m impressed
@@nomorefielders I wasn’t
@@nomorefielders I knew it was going to be a good vid
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Disliking bc of the excessive Cargo disrespect
Ghetto af...lol
Wut
Its maybe a 5 percent bump in favor of hitting for everyone 81 games are road games
You want fastball change up limited breaking power pitching