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  • Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
  • ** Belden 9778 Now Available on our Reverb store: reverb.com/sho... **
    Today the Rig Doctor joins up with Justin Derrico of NBC's "The Voice" & P!NK to shootout 5 of the Doc's favorite cables. They evaluate each cable through Justin's rig with the only variable being the input cable (the cable from the guitar to the pedalboard), before any buffering or signal conditioning. All cables are demoed through a clean Fender-style clean amp and Marshall dirty amp with a Strat and a Les Paul with identical settings. SUBSCRIBE ➜ / vertexeffectsinc
    HIGH QUALITY AUDIO ALERT! Listen with headphones or monitors if possible for the best results!
    //cables used in this video//
    Belden 9778 (all lengths)
    reverb.com/sho...
    Mogami 2524
    *** 10ft. - amzn.to/2Oc0cMk
    *** 15ft. - amzn.to/2OaXDKi
    *** 20ft. - amzn.to/3iPL5WC
    *** BULK - amzn.to/2OaeZqD
    Gotham GAC-1
    *** 10ft. - amzn.to/2W5yntd
    *** 15ft. - amzn.to/38Lv8MS
    *** 20ft. - amzn.to/3frbwQk
    Evidence Lyric HG
    *** 10ft. - amzn.to/3gJD2Jj
    *** 15ft. - amzn.to/2BUxSvf
    *** 20ft. - amzn.to/2ZY3VTb
    George L .155
    *** 10ft. - amzn.to/38GhmLn
    *** 15ft. - amzn.to/3efpXps
    *** 20ft. - amzn.to/3fiMKlI
    *** BULK - amzn.to/2ObIsjX
    //download hd audio files from this shootout//
    Belden 9778 - / belden-9778
    Mogami 2524 - / mogami-2524
    Evidence Lyric HG - / evidence-lyric-hg
    George L .155 - / george-l-155
    Gotham GAC-1 - / gotham-gac-1
    //table of contents//
    00:01 - Intro
    01:55 - The Cables
    03:40 - Things to know when buying Cables
    07:47 - Meeting up with Justin Derrico
    08:26 - Gear used in Shootout
    09:11 - Cable Shootout
    09:32 - Shootout! Dirty Les Paul
    11:02 - Cable Thru Clean Amp Analysis
    18:14 - Cable Thru Dirty Amp Analysis
    22:47 - WINNER!
    🔻 //support// 🔻
    / rigdoctor
    paypal.me/rigd...
    🔈 //podcast// 🔈
    Apple: apple.co/36dSQzK
    Spotify: spoti.fi/2WGLku8
    ⬇️ //recommended materials// ⬇️
    //buffers//
    Mesa Boogie High-Wire (dual buffer) - bit.ly/2lZwS0s
    Empress Stereo Buffer - amzn.to/33lyvHk
    Vertex Boost - amzn.to/3hVwvN2
    TC Bonafide Buffer (output buffer only - you'll need two) - amzn.to/2vrTSug
    //power supply//
    CIOKS DC7 - amzn.to/3d4qOty
    CIOKS 8 - amzn.to/2zW5YOn
    CIOKS 4 - amzn.to/33jWAOZ
    Truetone CS6 - amzn.to/2wWLbII
    Truetone CS7 - amzn.to/2x1Nf2k
    Truetone CS12 - amzn.to/33rfLq3
    Voodoo Lab x4 - amzn.to/2ILwKtP
    Strymon Zuma - amzn.to/3dpZANe
    Strymon Ojai - amzn.to/3evVXGE
    Strymon Zuma R300 - amzn.to/2ZgLclt
    //patch cables//
    Mogami 2319 (bulk cable) - amzn.to/2HIZ7dm
    SquarePlugs SP500 (pancake) - bit.ly/32m63mU
    SquarePlugs SPS5 (straight) - bit.ly/34qiajW
    //dc power cables//
    2.1mm DC Power Plugs (right angle) - bit.ly/2pGqXzI
    2.1mm DC Power Plugs (straight) - bit.ly/36wd1sA
    Bulk Power Cables (pre made) - amzn.to/3ev1q0t
    //pedalboards, lifts, risers, bridges//
    Pedalboard Surfaces - gomc.tv
    Pedal Risers/Lifts/Bridges - fixpedalboards...
    //velcro//
    3M Dual Lock SJ3550 (for pedal) - amzn.to/2TP1rlu
    3M Dual Lock SJ3551 (for base) - amzn.to/2I8a7SG
    //cable management//
    Zip Ties - amzn.to/2HP1Ulv
    Tie Down Mounts - amzn.to/2r5ZkAN
    //pedalboard tools//
    Soldering Iron - amzn.to/2TTdMI4
    Solder (60/40) - amzn.to/2U7XhsD
    Solder Dispenser - amzn.to/2GpgMpR
    Octopus Arms - amzn.to/2V3O8OD
    Wire Strippers (30-20 AWG) - amzn.to/2BBMI6n
    Wire Strippers (20-10 AWG) - amzn.to/2EbhBR3
    Wire Snips - amzn.to/2EazwqU
    Vise - amzn.to/2E9eTLO
    Heat Gun (embossing gun) - amzn.to/2BwGdlm
    Label Maker - amzn.to/2BCBcHU
    Label Maker Tape (black) - amzn.to/2Cd3CZe
    Label Maker Tape (clear) - amzn.to/34piDD4
    Deoxit D5 Contact Cleaner - amzn.to/2GEm4gu
    Truetone Milliamp (mA) Reader - amzn.to/2F9v3VN
    Tone Brush - amzn.to/2HIfze3
    Upholstery Crow Bar - amzn.to/2HIOU0K
    Multimeter - amzn.to/2YW9BdE
    Goo Gone - amzn.to/31rGJeS
    //midi//
    MIDI Plugs (right angle) - bit.ly/2oKHDFG
    MIDI Plugs (straight) - bit.ly/32fNNLF
    MIDI Cable (bulk) - amzn.to/2tPAHWQ
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    DIY Power Cables: vertexeffects.....
    DIY Interface: vertexeffects....
    CONTRIBUTORS:
    Hunter Harrison - Mixing, Audio Editing
    Mason Mejia - Co-Producing
    Mason Marangella - Co-Producing
    Justin Derrico - Guitarist
    #RigDoctor #CableShootout #GuitarCables

КОМЕНТАРІ • 358

  • @VertexEffectsInc
    @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +7

    Belden 9778 Cable Now Available on our Reverb Store: reverb.com/shop/vertex-effects

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому

      @Jesse Boot watch the second shootout we put them head to head.

    • @stewartstothoff5061
      @stewartstothoff5061 2 роки тому

      Vertex

    • @ChrisLasher
      @ChrisLasher 2 роки тому +1

      I no longer see the Belden 9778 cables available on the Reverb store. Do you have any plans to sell these again in the future?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      @@ChrisLasher It's on Sweetwater, under Vertex input cables :)

    • @ChrisLasher
      @ChrisLasher 2 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc Thanks! I enjoyed this shootout.

  • @alexnuzzi4780
    @alexnuzzi4780 Рік тому +3

    I have had mismatched cheap cables that I collected over the last 20 years and never really gave them much thought. I had 20 ft cheap cables running my effects so 40ft! I was getting SO MUCH NOISE between my cheap power supply and cables. Your videos were super helpful. I replaced my instrument cable with a 15ft wbc Mogami 2524 cable, wbc Mogami 2319 patch cables and 2524 for the loop. I also got a 1 spot isolated power supply along with a furman power conditioner. I went from sounding like a buzzy humming mess to near silent. I honestly couldn’t tell much of a difference between tone, at least nothing that couldn’t be fixed by breathing on my amps EQ BUT the reduction in noise made it all worth it. Unfortunately I did all those things at the same time so I really can’t pin it down to one variable but collectively it was night and day

  • @helmanfrow
    @helmanfrow 3 роки тому +7

    I've been making my own cables for about 25 years (using Mogami, Canare, Belden, Gotham, Switchcraft, Neutrik, G&H etc.) and I've purchased many assembled leads as well. Here's what I've learned:
    Fidelity-wise, the point of diminishing returns for guitar cables-as with most cables-is reached very low on the price ladder.
    My checklist is as follows:
    ✔ Good rejection of EMI/RFI
    ✔ Low microphonics (handling noise)
    ✔ Reasonably low capacitance (usually negligible at the typical 10-to-25-foot lengths we use)
    ✔ High-quality plugs for durable, reliable connections
    ✔ A soft, flexible, durable, low-memory outer jacket is a nice perk (although a big part of how a cable feels in the hand is informed by its inner construction)
    Once you've got those points covered you're basically good to go.
    To be sure, there are some HORRENDOUSLY bad cables out there, but these days you have to be shooting really low on AliExpress to find one.
    All of the cables reviewed here exceed the basic criteria I posted, and even typical store-brand cables are often perfectly adequate, tone- and noise-wise, and fall short only in feel and durability.
    Nobody nitpicks Jimi's tone at Woodstock but you can be sure that the cable he used was technically inferior to your $8.99 Guitar Center special in virtually every way we can measure.
    If you have a minimally decent guitar cable and you don't like the sound coming out of your amp, before you swap the cable, try moving your head 6 inches to the left because it will almost certainly make a greater difference to what you hear.

  • @cvd63
    @cvd63 4 роки тому +2

    GREAT shoot out! Thank you. LOVE Justin as well. SUCH a BEAST of a tasty musician/guitarist.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      so glad you dig it! I hope we earned your subscription!

  • @jaredtorres1000
    @jaredtorres1000 4 роки тому +2

    This cable shootout is way better than the ones currently on UA-cam. Overall I actually like both the Belden and Mogami for all the tones so I think I'll make a cable with Mogamis for now since they're easier to buy. Much appreciated Mason!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      Jared, thanks for watching! Glad you dug the video content. I think that Mogami is a great choice that you can get anywhere!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому

      Jared we got the Belden for sale now in our Reverb store: reverb.com/shop/vertex-effects. I bought 1,000 feet a few weeks back and they're ready to go!

  • @MrJohnboy301
    @MrJohnboy301 4 роки тому +3

    I've been using Divine Noise cables as my main guitar cables from my guitar to my pedal board and from my pedal board to my amp. In my opinion they are worth every penny.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      That's great. You have a reference point now that you can compare some of those we tried today and see how it holds up. The important thing is to record it and hear what it sounds like in real time playing the same thing. It removes a lot of the variables.

  • @TheCrispinCK
    @TheCrispinCK 4 роки тому +1

    Honestly what a great job showcasing the differences. I used to work at a high end shop and even the guys spending money on R9's and handwound Josephina's think this is snake oil 90% of the time. Thanks for doing this!

  • @spencerkoch1
    @spencerkoch1 4 роки тому +1

    You're killing me. Just bought a belden from your store and a mogami. Seems like the two should cover most everything i need.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      Yep! Belden brings the meat for the heat. Mogami brings the mids for the kids!

  • @zeroboyrick1717
    @zeroboyrick1717 Рік тому +1

    Since I'm in the market for a new cable this really helped. I've been using Mogami 2534 microphone cables for a longtime. PRS Van Damme instrument cable for guitar. I'm right in agreement but I give the edge to Mogami. Either Beldan or Mogami you won't go wrong. I have a history with Mogami and that's the tie breaker. Very cool these are budget friendly.

  • @gonzalozech
    @gonzalozech 4 роки тому +3

    In this shootout Geroge L's were my favourite in all cases, really clear but punchy sound.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +3

      Perfect! Just solder them up and you're on your way!

    • @vincent33195
      @vincent33195 3 роки тому

      And the key here is SOLDER! Please please please don’t go with solderless cables folks. You are asking for a disaster, especially if you are gigging. Just one cable maker’s opinion (and a musician who this happened to during a gig before I began making cables 😉)

    • @didifischervideo
      @didifischervideo 2 роки тому

      @@vincent33195 I use mogami. And soldered AND solderless evidence cables. It works on stage ; )

  • @VertexEffectsInc
    @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +5

    Today the Rig Doctor joins up with Justin Derrico of NBC's "The Voice" & P!NK to shootout 5 of the Doc's favorite cables. They evaluate each cable through Justin's rig with the only variable being the input cable (the cable from the guitar to the pedalboard), before any buffering or signal conditioning. All cables are demoed through a clean Fender-style clean amp and Marshall dirty amp with a Strat and a Les Paul with identical settings. *HIGH QUALITY AUDIO ALERT!* Listen with headphones or monitors if possible for the best results!
    SUBSCRIBE ➜ ua-cam.com/users/vertexeffectsinc

    • @fiddlefolk
      @fiddlefolk 4 роки тому +1

      Vertex Effects hi Mason! I was curious to see what it would cost to have a board wired up by you? I have belden 9778 cable n switchcraft ends and full intentions of wiring it myself but my work schedule is hectic these days. I have the board and the layout in mind.

    • @JazzRockswithAdam
      @JazzRockswithAdam 4 роки тому +1

      @@fiddlefolk I doubt he will.

    • @fiddlefolk
      @fiddlefolk 4 роки тому

      Adam Smale yeah, I figured that. Thanks

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      @fiddlefolk - I don't offer this service for hire, just for making UA-cam tutorials. I would be happy to refer you to others that actually do this for a living if you're interested. You can check out some collaborations I did with Best-Tronics, another rig building outfit on our UA-cam channel.

    • @fiddlefolk
      @fiddlefolk 4 роки тому +1

      Vertex Effects thank you Mason

  • @jbert7289
    @jbert7289 4 роки тому +1

    I had a fender cable...my friend was using a plant wave cable. I tested my fender cable to his plant wave and I could hear a difference. The plant wave was clearer and brighter. I use plant wave now.
    Thanks for the video.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks for sharing! One I wish I included was the American Stage Cable from Planet Waves, a very good cable for the money!

    • @JazzRockswithAdam
      @JazzRockswithAdam 4 роки тому +1

      Not to put down Planet Waves, and the one I had could be different that the one Mason mentioned, but I couldn't wait to get rid of mine. It sounded like putting wet paper towels over my speaker cone. (Not that I recommend putting wet paper towels on speaker cones) So dead and lifeless.

    • @passionplayer7
      @passionplayer7 4 роки тому +1

      Vertex Effects I love the American Pro, noticeable difference and the different tip shape does make a better connection, should be the new standard ;)

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      @@JazzRockswithAdam the American Stage Cable is the one to get - if it wasn't that one - and there are others - it's not the same.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      @@passionplayer7 not sure how that one is different than the American Stage cable, and I'm not sure about the tip either - it would be irrelevant unless the connector is designed for it as well - and each connector makes contact differently - Neutrik vs. Switchcraft for example.

  • @passionplayer7
    @passionplayer7 4 роки тому +1

    I know Dave Friedman swears by Belden, damn that guy knows what’s up! Great shootout and cool to see Justin’s guitar land! 🤘🏻

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +3

      Many of the old-school rig builders do, there weren’t many alternatives back in the 80s and 90s and Belden is one of the American cable manufacturers that have been around for decades.

  • @Antonio-nn5ot
    @Antonio-nn5ot 3 роки тому +2

    This episode is rig biblical! Awesome!

  • @lydianian
    @lydianian 11 місяців тому +1

    Mmm, Mogami 2524 or Evidence is great. More flat Mogami 2524. Belden 9778 may hide certain sound band area. Middle is a little cloudy and ambiguous. 9335 is brighter than 9778. So far, I’m using Mogami 3348 or Fender Deluxe Cable. Fender Deluxe doesn’t have any noise. That’s pretty good.

  • @jsalmons84
    @jsalmons84 4 роки тому +1

    Interesting video. I have always soldered my own Mogami 2524 and 2319. I see why EJ would like the George L’s as he’s a strat guy that boosts a fuzz face into dirty Marshalls. His low end is right despite the insane low end a silicon fuzz face imparts. Thank you!

  • @Jaysteenn
    @Jaysteenn 4 роки тому +2

    Cool shootout! Justin might not get a George Ls cable deal now but he dont hate it at least. 🤷‍♂️

  • @neilgaydon5430
    @neilgaydon5430 4 роки тому +1

    For me...German Klotz Bonamassa cable, not because it says Bonamassa. They sound better than Klotz more expensive versions and all other expensive brands I’ve tried. I gig, including festivals, rehearsals, studio and home practise using the exact same 2 cables through my original ‘57 strat to pedal board to Magnatone stereo twilighter for the past 5 years since they were new with zero issues, breaks or problems. Awesome product. Because of my guitar cable experience I use Klotz cables on my mics and PA system...all sound great and no issues!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      Neil, sounds good. I'm really trying to show here that in a controlled environment, we often don't always go for what we thing we are. When we listed back to recordings in the identical setting, often, we can be more objective, especially if the cables are anonymized. We did this is Cable Shootout #2.

    • @neilgaydon5430
      @neilgaydon5430 4 роки тому +1

      Vertex Effects... I thought the way you went about comparing cables excellent and the outcome super interesting. As a tone freak I was chucking in my 2 cents just in case. Keep up the great show and products

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      @@neilgaydon5430 Thank you sir and make sure to check out the second cable shootout we did last week, more interesting cables added to this comparison.

    • @neilgaydon5430
      @neilgaydon5430 4 роки тому

      Vertex Effects ...I will do!!!

  • @skipb119
    @skipb119 4 роки тому +1

    Great no-nonsense shootout. IT was very helpful!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      Glad you dig it! Hopefully it makes an easy decision for you next time you're buying cables.

  • @konstantinparkhomenko
    @konstantinparkhomenko 4 роки тому +2

    For me, I'll be sticking with Mogami :)

  • @vincent33195
    @vincent33195 3 роки тому +1

    This is a great video. I own a small cable company here in NJ and this is spot-on. 👍🏼

  • @WarriorOfGhengisKhan
    @WarriorOfGhengisKhan 3 роки тому +1

    I can see why Eric Johnson goes with the George L's. For dirty Strat sounds it sounds right. It makes the Start sound more Straty to me.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +1

      I think with Strats it works really well, I don’t like it as much with higher output pick ups or higher gain amps

  • @XChristianNoirX
    @XChristianNoirX 2 роки тому +1

    After messing around with lots of cables, I really liked Klotz Titanium and thought it was the end-all... But then my Neutrik right-angle silent plug broke after only 3 months, so I went on a search for another silent plug, settling on Amphenol, as it's switch seems to be much more robust.
    Being lazy, I found a pre-made cable with the Amphenol silent plug on it and it happened to be Sommer Spirit LLX cable and... That demolished every cable in existence!
    Mogami is a distant memory, except for buffered signals. You can probably run double the length of the Spirit LLX cable than Mogami 2524 and still come out ahead.
    Unless you want your cable to act like a filter, consider this cable. It's amazing, and I don't think you can get a lower cap rating with another cable that is usable as an instrument cable.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      Lots of good choices out there, ultimately it's about personal taste.

    • @didifischervideo
      @didifischervideo 2 роки тому

      I played the Titanum for a while and changed to the Klotz Funkmaster: really good bass and sparkling upper mids. They use their owne jacks. Normally Neutrik jacks shouldnt break. (High end cables like vovox break on stage, because the have a very stiff inner core with silver. IMHO)

    • @didifischervideo
      @didifischervideo 2 роки тому +1

      and I really like the xxl-spirit cable - a very huge inner core. For that price...

  • @JosePineda-jn8jk
    @JosePineda-jn8jk Рік тому +2

    Good to know that my cable testing methodology was not too far off. I would always plug guitar direct into an amp to see what the cable was doing first. The best sounding cable was always the one I would start with going into my pedals, so I guess I understood that portion of the signal at the very least!

  • @roadshowautosports
    @roadshowautosports 4 роки тому +1

    Hey Mason, thank you for the video. Per your recommendation i had already ordered the mogami 2524 and got them a couple weeks ago. Yesterday i got the remaining Switchcraft plugs and will start building two boards for a customer. You’ve inspired me and your videos have been helping immensely to go through this virus phase that is forcing me to do what i can to keep it afloat. I’ll be installing a pod go as well as a boss MS-3 and a ME-5 That will complement the pod go regarding loops. I’ll try and see how this will work with the pod go as i plan to use the ME-5 for some parallel effects injecting them back into the pod go but not sure how I’m going to place them since the loops only move together as one block to save DSP processing.
    Again, thank you very much.

  • @TheSavage1969
    @TheSavage1969 4 роки тому +1

    To my ears the Evidence doesn't seem to justify it's higher cost point. Mogami and Belden seem the best bang for the buck. That's my take.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      There’s one for Eveyone I’m sure. Glad you dig the shootout!

  • @DalelCampbell
    @DalelCampbell 4 роки тому +1

    Wow, I thought I would like the evidence the best, as normally, you get what you pay for. But I liked the Belden the best. I was surprised with the George L's. I found that I agreed that the only sound that I loved the L's with was the dirty strat.
    I enjoy high mids and treble but I don't think I wasnt the cable to cut frequencies like the L's did.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      Glad you dug it! We actually made some Belden 9778 cables here if you wanna check some out: reverb.com/shop/vertex-effects

  • @didifischervideo
    @didifischervideo 2 роки тому +2

    off topic: I'm actually testing a lot of trs-cables for dual-source-guitar-pickups. For magnet/mic and Magnet/piezzo. There are only Microphone cables for that purpose available - no guitar cables, which is problematic.. I've tried cables with pF/m 60 to 80. The only one that doesnt sound dulll is the Mogami 3106 (TRS with two seperated shielded cables, welded together. pF/m 80). For "normal" TS guitar-cables I like a big (!) inner conducter with extra shielding - and pF/m 80. Like the Klotz Funkmaster (I've tried pF/m down to 52 but I like 80). For me cables, guitar picks, strings - it's like using EQ. You shape the sound. IMHO

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      You're going to need a Twisted Pair Shielded for sure, I like the Belden 8412 a lot, also there's the Mogami 2552 and also a larger version (forget the model) that Steen Skrydstrup uses.

    • @didifischervideo
      @didifischervideo 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc Thanks : )

    • @didifischervideo
      @didifischervideo 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc Thanks, but those cables costs 30% more in Europe for shipping and taxes - so I will try the Evidence TRS Lyric : )

    • @didifischervideo
      @didifischervideo 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc Hi, did you hear of "connectrix" cables, with 3 conductors (also the ground is a single wire)? Do you know where I can get it?

  • @michaelb.42112
    @michaelb.42112 4 роки тому +1

    I've been to two recording studios now that both agree that the 20 foot $20 Guitar Center cables are some of the most reliable, best sounding cables. I tend to agree from my experience.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      michael bass most of these cables are under $1 per foot - maybe you should compare?

    • @michaelb.42112
      @michaelb.42112 4 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc I do buy different brands. I just bought Kirlin, and Reverb. The Reverb cable stopped working in a short time. My GC cables are still great. I also like Mogami and Monster patch cables.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому

      @@michaelb.42112 cool!

    • @NJSonye
      @NJSonye 4 роки тому +1

      I’ve used them for years. I had one of the ProCo that I bought in the 80s. It finally quit in the 90s. I sent it back “lifetime warranty. I have the replacement, and it’s been rocking since 2003.

    • @michaelb.42112
      @michaelb.42112 4 роки тому

      @@NJSonye THAT is cool !!!

  • @NJSonye
    @NJSonye 4 роки тому +1

    I picked up a Mogomi from Rainwater Sound. I’ve been very happy and need to order a couple more 12’

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      They have the best deals, however I don’t see them on eBay anymore

  • @WickBeavers
    @WickBeavers 4 роки тому +1

    I use the platinum Mogami, which I thought sounds the best here. I love the smack buster fittings on the ends and the feel of the cable is luscious. Finally, the finish is exquisite, so I'm happily sticking. Thanks!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      Glad you dig it! Hope we earned your sub!

    • @simonlynch6080
      @simonlynch6080 4 роки тому +2

      I believe they are using Mogami gold... not platinum.

    • @WickBeavers
      @WickBeavers 4 роки тому

      @@simonlynch6080 I was once- temporarily- a lot wealthier and got into audiophile stereo gear. Everybody in that genre touted Transparent audio cables. For an 8' length, I think the pair went for $10K. So I have a problem when people say they play a killer guitar and use a $4 cable. I was never sure I could hear a $9800 difference between my fancy Transparents over, say, a generic Monster cable, but I was glad I wasn't killing anything good coming from the tube amp.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      I think the platinum is the 3302 which cannot be bought in bulk

    • @simonlynch6080
      @simonlynch6080 4 роки тому

      I use 3368 Mogami, which I believe is equivalent to platinum...

  • @bmwm3cs
    @bmwm3cs 3 роки тому +2

    Very interesting video. Would there be a benefit to trying it double blind? I think it would interesting to try that too and see if you both agree. Personally, I really like Mogami platinum because they are solid cables and aren't too expensice (this is subjective). But, you can walk into your nearest Guitar Center with no receipt and they will replace it --no questions asked.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +2

      All the links are in the description you can download the wavs and compare yourself

    • @bmwm3cs
      @bmwm3cs 3 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc thanks for pointing that out, I should have seen that. Thank you!

  • @skullribcage6803
    @skullribcage6803 4 роки тому +1

    Sweet video. Been on the hunt for good patch and pedalboard cables. Do you think the Belden world work? I know a lot of people say Mogami. I was thinking about going with the solderless Evidence stuff before I saw this vid. Thanks, dude! Love your videos.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      As I said in the video these cables are only for the instrument cables to and from the pedalboard. The interconnections are a totally different thing. I would suggest Mogami 2319 as stated in the video for patch cables.

  • @TotalEvo7
    @TotalEvo7 4 роки тому +1

    As of currently, I now use MIA Audio cables, sounds a lot more fuller than my other cable.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      Nice...maybe try one of these to compare and see. It really helps when you record them side by side and listen back to the results.

    • @TotalEvo7
      @TotalEvo7 4 роки тому +1

      Cool, maybe later down the road when I get more, then I can do the comparisons.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      @@TotalEvo7 good call!

  • @zurielsanmartin1714
    @zurielsanmartin1714 3 роки тому +3

    I know absolutely nothing about pedals, pedal boards, rack units, cables, heads, amps, pick ups, nothing.
    All my life I’ve jammed in my room with a Marshall MG10 and a Digitech RP255.
    Where in your videos should I start? Or what channels can anyone recommend? Or books? I hate not knowing about this shit 😂
    I want to have a good understanding of gear before I start spending.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +7

      This channel should help, and there are some other good ones as well that talk about this sort of stuff. I would check out what Rhett Shull is doing, That Pedal Show, and others and get sense for the pulse of what's going on in this world. I would say start with a decent guitar and a decent tube amp. Even a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe is good to start with and start to build your pedals around.

    • @kodykindhart5644
      @kodykindhart5644 2 роки тому

      What music would you like to play?
      Helps find like minds for you to learn from

  • @nedward5871
    @nedward5871 4 роки тому +2

    Mason - great shootout, but putting a spectrum analyzer on the master bus output would allow comparison of the frequency response to show what each cable is doing vs. just subjective hearing - but also to show what you're hearing different on each cable- or are you?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      Ned, I think you’re misunderstanding the concept here. In the way that you’ve described, you’re actually not going to get a particularly accurate view of how the input cable reacts with passive pickups since the output hitting the cable would already be low impedance and not driven by passive pickups. We’ve done two different tests, on the second test it was a little bit more objective because all of the cables were anonymized. There is a limit to the number of factors that you can control if the cables always need to be driven by the guitar pick ups directly, as it is for an input cable test. If we were testing the cable environment on the pedalboard, where we are presumably already converted to low impedance, or the output cable - I agree your testing would work, but we care less about the specs and more about the sound - and what players actually choose in the conditions of a live or studio environment. This could be done with a looper pedal first in line with a low output Z and a true bypass looper with a bunch of cables in the loops to switch in/out.

    • @nedward5871
      @nedward5871 4 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc Mason - thanks for the reply. My concern is that like many audio cable shootouts, there's inherent bias towards some cables, good and bad. By having the frequency response as well, you can see what you like in the cable tonality - it's brighter at 4K for instance - or understand that with confirmation bias, if you already like Mogami and bolden, they may come out on top. Think of it as a way to help show why you like a cable with facts vs. just descriptions. And if the frequency response doesn't show any difference, is there a real difference between the cables? I know that I think a certain cable sounds better; just interested to see how it plays out. Don't get me wrong - this was a great video and super instructive; just a suggestion to make it better for future shootouts, and to educate guitarists on what frequencies they're hearing they like or dislike.

    • @nedward5871
      @nedward5871 4 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc Separately, would love to see a video of how you solder connectors to George L's cable as to a newbie seems harder to solder than other cable.

  • @Septimius
    @Septimius 3 роки тому

    Problem with only using capacitance is that capacitance reacts differently based on frequency. Impedance is the proper picture, or rather imp and cap, or cap and resistance. Resistance filters higher frequencies, capacitance filters lower frequencies. The Mogami has twice the capacitance from the previous two, yet has more low end. That’s why it’s not a complete picture.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому

      I'm not sure that there's anything in this video that disqualifies this statement. Nowhere do we say that capacitance is the only variable to consider.

    • @Septimius
      @Septimius 3 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc I was in no way saying you said anything to the contrary, rather that the full picture might help illuminate the issue for people who tune in to understand cable quality.

  • @TheFarout69
    @TheFarout69 4 роки тому +2

    Coily cables seem to always dampen the guitar sound a bit. But that is handy in some situations like with my practice amp with an 8 inch speaker. So far I like the Pig Hog cables but I just wont send an unbuffered signal more than 12 feet to my board. I'll go wireless if we get bigger stages. Of all the reverb pedals I've tried (in buffered Bypass) for driving the 20 foot cables back to the rig has been my Hardwire Supernatural. The Hardwire reverb pedals have gone up in price, I'll bet I'm not the only one to notice. Noticeable by a lot + great sounding verb.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +3

      Coil cables have a place for sure, especially if you want to roll off a bunch of high end since it pretty much doubles your capacitance - a 10ft. cable is more like a 20ft.

    • @JazzRockswithAdam
      @JazzRockswithAdam 4 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc Yeah, I was going to say it at least double or almost triples the capacitance.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      @@JazzRockswithAdam depends on the coiling technique that is used, but at the least doubles the length.

    • @fiddlefolk
      @fiddlefolk 4 роки тому +1

      Scott Boswell I use a Jhs modded Ernie Ball volume pedal after drive fx but like you I run the supernatural last in chain. Great pedal

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      @@fiddlefolk What's the output impedance of the Hardwire?

  • @Musickbox8
    @Musickbox8 3 роки тому +2

    Any plans go talk about other kinds of cables like speaker cables?

  • @JazzRockswithAdam
    @JazzRockswithAdam 4 роки тому +1

    So far, the Evidence cable is the most..."clear?" Transparent? Whatever. Where as in comparison, the Mogami sounds "round." All subjective descriptions of course. Clear might not necessarily be what you want, especially if you're playing distorted tones most of the time. And the Belden seems to sit right in the middle of that. Maybe EJ like the George L because it rolls off the low end and suits his set up. I think any of the top 3 for me Belden, Mogami, and Evidence are all great buying decisions. If you're on a budget, get the cheapest of the three.

    • @JazzRockswithAdam
      @JazzRockswithAdam 4 роки тому +1

      For Clean sounds, I liked the Evidence with the humbuckers and Belden with the single coils.

    • @sweetfatson
      @sweetfatson 4 роки тому +1

      Only exception I would say is you actually do want “clarity”, not harshness, because signal clarity/strength enhances feel and touch responsiveness. You just need to try a very low capacitance silver cable that isn’t harsh sounding or “too clear”. Check out the SweetFats Low Cap. Www.colossalcable.com

    • @JazzRockswithAdam
      @JazzRockswithAdam 4 роки тому +1

      ColossalCable I guess what I was trying to say is clarity can mean different things to different people. As a jazz player, to me, clarity means hearing every note in a complex chord. With both a little grit and clean. I love my mids to be very prominent. And, I’m not disagreeing with you at all.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks for watching Adam! Glad you enjoyed it and were able to take some distinctions away from the cables we chose. Of those you mentioned, Mogami would be the easiest to get anywhere at a low price point, especially if you DIY it.

    • @JazzRockswithAdam
      @JazzRockswithAdam 4 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc Right now I'm not in the market for an instrument cable. But will be in the market for some smaller Mogami cable for when I re-do my pedalboard. I own some BOSS instrument cables and an Evidence cable (I think the next down from what you demoed) Although, I was thinking if I ever want to make my own some day, is buy a 50ft. spool of Belden, make an 8' for guitar to pedalboard, a 20' and 12' ones for running from pedalboard to amp, then terminate some plugs on the 10' left over and sell it. I'd pay for about 1/3 the price of the spool! Or maybe even close to half.

  • @eberlopez9825
    @eberlopez9825 4 роки тому +1

    Mason, ever consider doing a vid on a pedalboard build for an acoustic rig? I wonder if a cable shoot out would different results.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      These results would only apply to passive pick ups in the context of an electric guitar. Most acoustic guitars have active pick ups, meaning that the cables are buffered at the Guitar side before it ever hits any effects pedals. Presumably a different cable may win, and the distortion component is probably irrelevant.

  • @arielista
    @arielista 4 роки тому +1

    My guitar to pedal board is a vertex and pedal board to amp is also a vertex

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      Those are Belden 9778 inside - so same as Justin's findings.

  • @curtisbarrett2243
    @curtisbarrett2243 4 роки тому +1

    All of my board to amp cables inside my snakes are Mogami (and have been for years now) but I've recently in the last year moved to Best Tronics CA-0446 for guitar to board. Love the way they lay flatter and roll up easier outside of a snake...the variety of colors doesn't hurt, either. Curious to know where that cable would sit in with the 5 in this video to your ears

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      I like the Best Tronics ones, remind me a of the Mogami a lot but will a little more hi-end. I'm sure it would be favorable, however I didn't have one at my studio to test against these, but I do have one at home that I use all the time.

  • @waynegram8907
    @waynegram8907 3 роки тому +2

    Coil cables add more capacitance and also inductance. If you look at Jimi Hendrix coil cables live at rainbow bridge he is using extra long coil cables in a rats nest which EE engineers would ask why. Roger Mayer said that they used very long coil cables to add capacitance to make the wah, fuzz face, Octavia, univibe output circuits to be very unstable. If you look at Hendrix very long coil cables at rainbow bridge its just doesn't make sense to be using all these very long coil cables and just thrown everywhere with no dressing of the cables. It was to make the pedals output circuits unstable and create oscillations and other noises by adding more capacitance & inductance and resistance from the coil cables which is loading the guitar pedals output circuits.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +4

      I'm sure it also helped tame down the brightness of those old Marshall amps!

    • @waynegram8907
      @waynegram8907 3 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc True, he was using marshall superlead which has more gain and brightness they have a very edgy tone that is why Jimmy page used superleads also.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +2

      @@waynegram8907 They're great amps, I have one...you almost need Greenbacks too to calm it down.

    • @waynegram8907
      @waynegram8907 3 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc yes I think the main difference is the output transformer and the plate voltages are higher compared to the plexi. I'm not sure if Hendrix Or Jimmy page used Greenbacks

    • @waynegram8907
      @waynegram8907 3 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc you have to use an SPL meter to calibrate the SPL level of your speaker cabinet. The SPL level and dB levels of your speakers. Have you done this?

  • @gorillafunk725
    @gorillafunk725 2 роки тому +6

    To me the evidence ruled. More harmonic detail & richness. The belden compressed that slighty. All the others were between those 2 with the mogami closest to the evidence.
    Time to put the cork away stop sniffing & pull my trousers back up.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      Cool.

    • @gorillafunk725
      @gorillafunk725 2 роки тому +3

      @@VertexEffectsInc Coming from an audio background myself I understand the significance. Especially in hot rodding phono stages where you are dealing with signal amplification of less than a milli volt for low output moving coil phono cartiges & EVERYTHING matters if you want true high resolution audio. BTW you had any experience with Klotz guitar leads?

    • @natman6905
      @natman6905 Рік тому +1

      Same here. I bought them because of what I heard live in person and it shows here too. More "3-D" but pricey and stiff are the downsides...

    • @gorillafunk725
      @gorillafunk725 Рік тому

      The reason I went with Klotz was a more utilitarian one. It featured what I consider the best built & designed durable shorting ring. And I couldn't find a plug with that feature to buy locally So if I have to change bass or worse I fuck up live & trip over the cable & it pulls out. I dont make it FAR worse by the Humm.. & Buzzz that advertises your shame & embarrassment to the world like flashing neon billboard on a dark night.
      That's not happened as yet and I pray it never EVER does. But if a shorting ring wasn't a consideration I would have soldered my own custom cables. Vertex shows you how on youtube if you're no solder monkey. And that is the best. You save a fair heap of money. You are not hog tied to the standard lengths offered by manufacturers & or local sellers. It makes cable sniffing affordable & thus more interesting and enjoyable. That becomes important as cable length increases. Because both cable capacitance & reistance increase to the extent of being clearly audible. Thats where solder skills can save you big time and improve the quality of the materials to whatever extent YOU decide.
      Or..... just go wireless and never have to bother with any of this ever again 🤩

  • @henrycross8776
    @henrycross8776 Рік тому +11

    Most unscientific test I've ever seen

  • @jbalmer9310
    @jbalmer9310 4 роки тому +1

    Gotta agree w/ the Mogami & Belden clean w/ both the Paul & the Strat, although the Evidence w/ the Strat was right there. Dirty, pretty much the same, although Belden had an edge over the Mogami. Most of my cable, both instrument & patch is Mogami, but my next order for instrument cable will be Belden. I play mostly LP & 335 style guitars through a Marshall.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      I think they're all great - can't really go wrong. I think it comes down to budget and availability at the end of the day. I bought the 1000 ft. roll, so I'll be making some Belden cables and maybe selling some as well to recoup some of the costs of the roll.

    • @jbalmer9310
      @jbalmer9310 4 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc Yeah I liked them all, except maybe the George L, but those three were more like what I hear in my head:)

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому

      @@jbalmer9310 gotcha...they all have their place I suppose!

    • @jbalmer9310
      @jbalmer9310 4 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc Plus, you're the reason I switched to Mogami:)

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому

      @@jbalmer9310 they're great, no doubt!

  • @Tsu_tey
    @Tsu_tey Місяць тому

    This isn't a really accurate comparison. Just plugging in and saying "I like the sound of this one best" without making any adjustments is too vague of a comparison. For example the super low Capacitance of the Gotham cable is allowing more high end come through and is a truer representation of what's coming from the guitar. A simple high end roll off in the EQ would yield probably a better sound than the Belden, which is masking that high end because of the higher cap.

  • @RobertFisher1969
    @RobertFisher1969 3 роки тому +1

    Very interesting. For me, the tone differences between decent instrument cables haven’t been as big an issue as reliability. I have a Whirlwind cable (which now seem hard to find in the US) that I’ve been using since around 1987, but all the others instrument cables I’ve had over the years have shorted or otherwise failed. Of course, I’m assuming this varies by individual. (Maybe Whirlwind’s strain-relief helps versus how I treat my cables. 🙂) And for someone else, reliability may not be as important.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +2

      Nowadays, almost every cable manufacture has a lifetime warranty so most of this is in the concern, just go with the cable that sounds best for your rig and go forward from there

    • @harmonicsball89
      @harmonicsball89 3 роки тому +2

      I had a Whirlwind too. It was awesome!! This UA-cam post just feels like a stealth ad for Belden cables.

  • @anthonyjacob6252
    @anthonyjacob6252 4 роки тому +1

    Hi Mason ! What de you think of the Ernie Ball classic cables ? Cool vid, really helpfull btw !

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      I think they're fine, but not as good as what we tested to my ear. A lot of this is "taste" more than "better". I tried to choose stuff that I like that is available in bulk for DIYers and also pre-made.

  • @stanesposito2664
    @stanesposito2664 4 роки тому +1

    I 'd like to know what cable Justin normally uses. Great info! Thanks!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      I think it was a long coil cable - don’t know the brand and Mogami.

  • @maxkhrisanfov
    @maxkhrisanfov Рік тому +2

    mogami vs belden
    1. 13:02 14:35
    2. 16:15 17:02
    3. 19:10 20:08
    4. 21:54 22:33

  • @trevormckay3939
    @trevormckay3939 3 роки тому +1

    Diggin the Dann Huff in the background!

  • @ruoyugu4054
    @ruoyugu4054 3 місяці тому

    agree the Mogami sounds the fullest

  • @ethandorsett4895
    @ethandorsett4895 4 роки тому +1

    Great points here Mason! I will pick up some Belden

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      Good luck! I like it a lot but not so easy to find.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      Available now Ethan: reverb.com/shop/vertex-effects. We made some!

    • @ethandorsett4895
      @ethandorsett4895 4 роки тому

      Vertex Effects thoughts on vovox vs Belden?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому

      Ethan Dorsett only use vovox in a studio it’s too fragile for stage.

  • @aperezdeal
    @aperezdeal 4 роки тому +1

    I love this channel.

  • @bigtoe85
    @bigtoe85 4 роки тому +1

    hi. great review and shootout! whatʻs your opinion or experience with the Canare GS6? how does that compare with this bunch? thank you!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      I like them, I have some at my house but not at my show room. I think it would stack up favorably.

    • @bigtoe85
      @bigtoe85 4 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc thank you for the reply. the belden does sound good for all the configurations. have a great one!

    • @bigtoe85
      @bigtoe85 4 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc do guitar cables degrade over time? Like say more than 10yrs old?

  • @gonzalozech
    @gonzalozech 4 роки тому +1

    I recently built some Sommer Spirit LLX cables, which are extremely low capacitance (just 52pF per meter). Still deciding if I like them alone in front of the amp, as they offer some real Hi-Fi harmonics and textures but sound a little bright though.
    However, they really complement with my crowded pedalboard (10 foot before, and 15 foot after it)

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      Interestingly enough, on the input of the board, most players seem to prefer higher capacitance cables, but on the board itself, with good quality buffering, the patch cables matter way less, brand to brand so long as the capacitance doesn't get too high. Same goes for the output cable going back to the amplifier.

    • @gonzalozech
      @gonzalozech 4 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc I've got one electrical question here. Do higher capacitance cables make buffers work harder? With that said, is it right to say that higher capacitance will make the buffer colour the signal more than lower capacitance cables?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      @@gonzalozech on the input the buffer isn't in the equation, so it doesn't matter in that sense on how it impacts the buffer. Go for the one you like the sound of best through your rig on the input and use that. Once you're on the board, ideally the lower capacitance (to a point) the better. Anything below about 50 pF per foot is going to respond about the same with very little differences. The only differences you'll hear (with all pedals in bypass) would be attributed to the quality of the buffer and its line driving capability. Some bad buffers will become unstable the more capacitance it sees on the output. Like the Boss buffers for example that have a 1K output impedance. For the high quality buffers like what we have in our Boost or the Mesa Boogie High Wire, you can have 100ft. of cable after it with little to no difference.

    • @gonzalozech
      @gonzalozech 4 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc Thanks in advance, I just realized I can't keep on using my ts-9's buffer 😂. I guess adding another buffer will make it work less as I don't have the true bypass mod on it.
      What do you think of the Bonafide buffer of TC-Electronics that comes inside the Polytune 3?

    • @didifischervideo
      @didifischervideo 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc that's interesting - I also prefer pF/m 80 more than 52. Thought I 'm the only guy, because I play clean sounds (acoustic and archtop) and most people use fuzz and distortion : ))

  • @persiaguitar
    @persiaguitar 10 місяців тому

    I have a custom cable Mogami 2524 but as I test it in my DAW I do not hear much difference

  • @julestielens6988
    @julestielens6988 Рік тому

    Used georgel solderless cables. The 155 gave a lot of problems , i think due to corrision of the lead cable. Measured it. Not good. Use solderless cables!

  • @tubular2times
    @tubular2times 2 роки тому +2

    Do you still offer the Belden 9778 Guitar (20') Cable ?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому

      Yes, at Sweetwater we sell it: www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=Vertex+Input+cable

    • @tubular2times
      @tubular2times 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc Thank you!

  • @chocolatecookie8571
    @chocolatecookie8571 Рік тому

    My head bouncing on the sound samples ✌️😎

  • @AMGL1989
    @AMGL1989 3 роки тому +2

    Wow.. the difference was so negligible. I really believed it would be drastic, like playing without buffers.

  • @stevechance4422
    @stevechance4422 4 роки тому +1

    What are your thoughts on George Ls on a Pedalboard.I play tele,335 and Les Paul thru.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      I would only use them as raw cable that I would in tern solder to a high quality connector. The solderless cables are not a professional solution nor a reliable one. You can see other videos on why this is true on our channel.

  • @ALBERTOGARCIA-nk9bo
    @ALBERTOGARCIA-nk9bo 4 роки тому +1

    Hello Mason! What do you think about Planet Waves Circuit Braker and American Stage? Thanks in advance

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      I like the American Stage, I don't like the circuit breaker feature. I think it would stack up favorably.

  • @SavoryThymes
    @SavoryThymes 3 роки тому +1

    Hey Mason thanks for this comparison. I was about to replace all my mismatched monster, hosa, kirlin patch and instrument cables with mogami gold. Am I wasting my money replacing all these cheap cables or would I notice a discernible difference? Should I just get a Belden to connect the guitar to my rig and leave the rest alone? Appreciate the help!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +1

      Are you talking about your instrument cables from guitar to pedalboard or pedalboard to amp or the interconnections on the pedalboard?

    • @SavoryThymes
      @SavoryThymes 3 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc I was going to replace everything with Mogami gold. Instrument cable from guitar to pedal board and pedal board to amp and all interconnections on the pedal board also cables for the loop. Everything I have now is cheap and mismatched. Wondering if I should go mogami gold with all cables to keep it consistent and then try the Belden from guitar to pedalboard? Is there a sonic advantage having all matching cables except for possibly the guitar to pedal board cable?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому

      @@SavoryThymes I'd only use the Mogami Gold on the instrument cables, guitar to pedalboard, and the pedalboard to amp. The connections in between on the pedalboard don't need to be that cable - I would go with a thinner Mogami cable designed for pedalboards like our 2314 cables with Square Plug ends. We sell custom cables made to your specs and length here: www.therigdr.com. I also have a tutorial showing you how to make the very same cables yourself and the materials you'll need to do it just like we do.

    • @SavoryThymes
      @SavoryThymes 3 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc Thanks for the quick reply Mason. I checked out your custom cables and I think thats the way to go, they look great and you have every length imaginable. I'll be placing an order as soon as I figure out all my lengths. Appreciate the help!

    • @smikailli
      @smikailli 3 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc Is there any difference between the 2314 and 2319 cables other than diameter? Do you have a preference between the two?

  • @mikec3412
    @mikec3412 3 роки тому +1

    Great video, what do you think about Best Tronics CA-0446 and CA-0678? I haven't found much info on these other than the spec sheet.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +1

      Are these the instrument cable size or patch cable size? We did a follow up video to this and used one of their models.

    • @mikec3412
      @mikec3412 3 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc Nice, I'm checking out your patch cable test now : )

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому

      @@mikec3412 We also have another instrument cable one too with BTPA

  • @giannicinelli9971
    @giannicinelli9971 4 роки тому +1

    I use the fender coil cable. It seems to be good for me

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      Cool, you will notice a big difference if you go for one of the more low capacitance options I listed, not necessarily better or worse - but it will change the tone a lot compared to the coil cable.

    • @giannicinelli9971
      @giannicinelli9971 4 роки тому +1

      I am definitely going to try what you recommend for sure! I do have a question and maybe you could help. I don’t have social media is there a way I can get a hold of you?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      Gianni Cinelli though they website

  • @jacksonherron9136
    @jacksonherron9136 4 роки тому +1

    Hey mason I’m really struggling with my pedalboard. I’m running a few pedals together with a daisy chain. I can’t figure out if it’s my power supply or my cables. I was wondering if you had any ideas of what I could do.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      You can always get on our Patreon if you want one-to-one coaching with your rig: patreon.com/rigdoctor.

    • @jacksonherron9136
      @jacksonherron9136 4 роки тому +1

      Vertex Effects ok awesome thanks!

  • @michaelcraig9449
    @michaelcraig9449 3 роки тому +1

    whats the best cables for a Stratocaster into classic tube amps? I like to try and get the hugest Hendrix SRV type tones, that is my goal to do so, but I also like tons of variety of songs and tones.. I hate the words "genre'" and "brand" So what would you recommend?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +1

      It's all pretty subjective...not a "one size fits all" but rather a matter of taste.

    • @kodykindhart5644
      @kodykindhart5644 2 роки тому

      Get a vintage fender bassman and a super reverb and a nice vintage spec strat add wah/fuzz/univibe/ts9
      And wack away

  • @colbymarksmusic
    @colbymarksmusic Рік тому

    This is super helpful! Thank you, Mason and Justin. The characteristics of each one are super great to hear in the HD sound files. Wild how that George L just comes to life in that dirty strat set up, like a completely different cable! Thanks guys

  • @ronkresch9228
    @ronkresch9228 4 роки тому +1

    What do you think about Sinasoid cables? Josh Smith loves these..

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +3

      My understanding - which could be outdated - was that they assemble cables from other manufacturers. I tried to stay with cables that were pretty much universally available either pre-made or in bulk for DIYers.

    • @ronkresch9228
      @ronkresch9228 4 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc Thanks Mason...I'll check that out....I'm gonna give them a call

  • @hasleryancey2365
    @hasleryancey2365 4 роки тому +2

    whaat plug is on the gotham cable

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      Switchcraft Silent Jack, same on on the George L.

  • @philippgrunert8776
    @philippgrunert8776 4 роки тому +1

    What about Sommer? Not available in the US? I was considering getting some Sommer cables

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      You can find them, just less common. Like trying to get Mogami in Europe. I was shooting for things that were readily available pre-made or in bulk for DIY people. What's your favorite Sommer cable model for guitar?

    • @philippgrunert8776
      @philippgrunert8776 4 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc Hi, that's true. I am following your Content and Just started building, modding, soldering stuff. So far i did have the cheaper Sommer cables but think about building Instrument cables (guitar to Board and Board to amp) from Spirit LLX and doing the Pedal cabeling with Spirit XS. From what I have learned regarding capacity and flexibility this seams to be a nice fit. I Just got a Jazzmaster and want to keep as much top end clarity as possible.
      Best regards

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      @@philippgrunert8776 Maybe the George L's might be the move. They definitely had the most treble.

  • @theGIGINIband
    @theGIGINIband 4 роки тому +1

    Okay, this just my opinion but I thought the Belden sounded the best... but what do I know

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      My favorite as well!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      I got em for sale now Jason, bought 1,000 feet the other week: reverb.com/shop/vertex-effects

  • @sweetfatson
    @sweetfatson 4 роки тому +1

    And here’s a video of Justin playing through our cables a few years ago. A lot more casual and not produced at all ua-cam.com/video/MRBejnDysbQ/v-deo.html

  • @austinl3802
    @austinl3802 3 роки тому +1

    How relevant is this to BASS plugging straight into the amp?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +1

      I would suspect there would be some differences, in particular with active basses.

  • @CraigFlowersMusic
    @CraigFlowersMusic 3 роки тому

    I have a question. I tend to use a cable for the strat and tele, but I tend to use wireless for the Les Paul. I can't even really remember why anymore. But the question is: I just opened up my old Dunlop Crybaby and got it running again after like 8 years of being broken. So, wireless is buffered, right? Does that mean I have to use the cable if I'm not bypassing the wah? The wah is first, so I can just skip it and go into the Blues Driver if I don't need wah. But it would be easier if I could just plug everything in. So, no wireless anymore? Or am I wrong about that?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому

      I don’t think I understand your question

    • @CraigFlowersMusic
      @CraigFlowersMusic 3 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc I just got my old wah pedal up and running again. I was told that putting a buffer in front of a wah changed the way it reacted to your pickups. I use a really old Dunlop Crybaby, no telling how old but old. I have tried looking up whether my Cuvave wireless is buffered or not, but I can't find that information. I assume it must be though because of what it is. If that is the case, do I need to stop using the wireless in front of the Crybaby? I like the wireless because I can't seem to stop walking in circles involuntarily while I play which bunches up a cable, however the wireless doesn't fit well into the front-mounted input jack on a Strat, so I do use a cable for that. So my question is whether a) I'm wrong that wireless is buffered, or b) I'm wrong that a Crybaby, just like an old fuzz (I use a Ram's Head Big Muff, so apparently I don't have to worry about it?) or a treble booster, doesn't like seeing a buffer on its input? Sorry I'm so wordy, I know it's confusing. That's just how I talk.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +1

      @@CraigFlowersMusic the wireless is the same as putting a buffer into your rig and into your wah. Ideally you'd want to go corded and have a buffer on the pedalboard after the impedance sensitive stuff, or get a wah that's more impervious to the buffers on the input of the system.

  • @6496chase
    @6496chase 3 роки тому +1

    Mogami Platinum is King of Cables......

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +2

      Whenever your taste is, lots of good ones to fit the bill

  • @xochihuarock
    @xochihuarock 4 роки тому +1

    I just buy two mogami GOLD INSTRUMENT-06R cables. I tested them in a behringer tester and ¡they dont pass the test! ¿What can be wrong? Can you help me?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      What happens you plug them into the amp? No signal? Return them is the simple answer.

    • @xochihuarock
      @xochihuarock 4 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc Im using a ct200 behringer tester and it says shorter 13, 31.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      @@xochihuarock Do you get signal when you use them. If it's not passing signal and you're registering a short, then return them. If they're not returnable email me some photos of inside the plug and I can give you some tips.

    • @xochihuarock
      @xochihuarock 4 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc thanks for the answer! I know now what's going on. The tc200 Behringer tester is made for TRS cables and the guitar cables are TS, so, that's the why of the shorted message. The cable is just fine, thanks a lot!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      @@xochihuarock ok great

  • @Foe1971
    @Foe1971 4 роки тому +1

    I've spent a small fortune on Mogami Gold patch cables. FML

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      Think of how much you'd save if you did it DIY!

    • @Foe1971
      @Foe1971 4 роки тому +1

      Vertex Effects But, but, I don’t wanna think about that 😦

  • @helmanfrow
    @helmanfrow 3 роки тому +2

    Listen with your eyes closed during the play-through and see if you can pick out the cable swaps. Bet you can't.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +2

      You can do it, I put the wav files in the description

    • @armando9740
      @armando9740 2 роки тому

      The differences are so slight, and negligible, no one will notice in an actual musical situation, and these differences can easily be mimicked with tiny adjustments to eq. It's not like the difference between guitars, with this it's that no one listening to live or recorded music will be able to name the brand of cable being used. Also note that they didn't test super cheap Radio Shack cables, because they probably sound just as good.

  • @andrewanderson3746
    @andrewanderson3746 3 роки тому

    Hey guys, just wondering where I can buy soldered George L's cables or do I need to solder them myself?

  • @Daveygogo1
    @Daveygogo1 4 роки тому +1

    Where do I buy one of these BELDEN cables?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      I put some links to the ones I could find in the description

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому

      We have them available now: reverb.com/shop/vertex-effects. I bought 1,000 feet, so we'll make some and see how it goes :)

  • @MrNatahi
    @MrNatahi 3 роки тому

    hi, im a noob. i dont see a point y bother using good cable for your input if the last or next cable gonna ruin your tone/eq anyway. or did i get it wrong?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +1

      Your last cable is at least being driven by a lower output signal that your passive guitar pickups are putting out. Even a normal pedal output impedance a 1K is way better than what any pickup will be able to drive in terms of cable capacitance.

    • @kodykindhart5644
      @kodykindhart5644 2 роки тому

      This
      The guitar isn’t “powered”
      The 9v-18v in pedals adds to the signal lessening the loss from cable so it matters less that then one from your guitar

  • @giovannigalvez8598
    @giovannigalvez8598 7 місяців тому +1

    For me the Gotham sounded the most transparent. Others added color.

  • @johngerardmusic7761
    @johngerardmusic7761 2 роки тому

    Shouldn’t he have both ears facing the speakers as he listens to the playback to evaluate?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      He has multiple sets of monitors, not all are on screen.

  • @yoelperry36
    @yoelperry36 4 роки тому +1

    What about VanDamme?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      They're great cables, but not very easy to get in the USA. I tried to stick with stuff that you could get in bulk for DIY or pre-made.

  • @ivanjesusmusic
    @ivanjesusmusic 3 роки тому

    Hey!! Great video guys! What do you think about the Analysis Plus Yellow Oval cable for guitar?? Let me know what you think about 🙏🏽 thank you!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому +1

      Nothing wrong with it, just another flavor. We stuck to cables you can actually buy in bulk.

  • @rcctvchannel9173
    @rcctvchannel9173 Рік тому +1

    How about for the roland keyboard what cable can you recommend?

  • @Matan2222222
    @Matan2222222 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the great video!
    I currently use Mogami cable from my amp to pedalboard and another Mogami cable from pedalboard to Guitar. Do you recommend purchasing my favourite cable(Belden) for the pedalboard and amp only? Or to purchase two cables to cover both amp guitar and pedalboard?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +3

      I like Mogami out of the pedalboard and to the effects loop if you have one, it's a little more neutral and less color and lower capacitance. If you're going to use the Belden, I think using it first is best, from guitar to pedalboard.

    • @Matan2222222
      @Matan2222222 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc the Belden cable that Sweetwater sale is the same one that you use in the video?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      @@Matan2222222 Yes

    • @Matan2222222
      @Matan2222222 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc Thanks!

  • @anthonyz.4560
    @anthonyz.4560 Рік тому

    Do you still sell those Belden cables, your reverb store is empty?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  Рік тому +1

      Yes, it’s sold on Sweetwater now www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ICSS10--vertex-effects-icss-10-input-cable-straight-to-straight-10-foot

    • @anthonyz.4560
      @anthonyz.4560 Рік тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc thanks, I'm just starting out and have to replace the crappy cable that came with my guitar.

  • @RandyRugarMusic
    @RandyRugarMusic 4 роки тому +2

    Belden cables are the best. If you spend $2,000-$5,000 on guitar shut your dirty mouth when it comes to cables and get the best you're talking dollars people! Lol... 😂😂

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      And we're selling them super reasonably now on our reverb page: reverb.com/shop/vertex-effects

  • @sweetfatson
    @sweetfatson 4 роки тому +3

    You’re totally missing out by not including Colossal Cables. They’re better than all the other brands that were compared. And we have different types of cables for different rigs.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +4

      Hi there Colossal Cable, the intent here was to show a sampling of cables and give folks the tools and understanding how to evaluate their own cables based on an understanding of the impact that the input cables have shaping the tone of the rig. Presumably, your customers could evaluate their input cables against some of the others they may have to see what they preferred overall with high gain and low gain and different guitars, as I did with Justin. This wasn't an exhaustive list of cable manufacturers, but a solid sample size of some of the more common brands out there that can be purchased in bulk (for DIYers) and pre-made. With cables, I've always found it to be a matter of taste, rather than "BEST" in this context especially with a cable being driven by a passive pickup only. Each person has their preferred EQ that they want to exaggerate, and this will be guitar and amp dependent as well as you know. Conversely, we did pick a "winner" in the shootout, which doesn't exactly stay true to the "matter of taste" idea - however for Justin's rig this is what worked best within the context of the cables we chose.

    • @sweetfatson
      @sweetfatson 4 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc I totally get it, Colossal Cables are high end, pre-made cables to exact lengths so not really for DIYers unless they want ultra-high quality/durability and a lifetime guarantee - and sonic profile is a matter of taste, in the end - but I'll add a caviat -

    • @sweetfatson
      @sweetfatson 4 роки тому

      There really is no match for an amp at it's resonant sweet spot being hit with the truest representation of the pickups into the front end, period. With a cable that doesn't have "as good" sonic properties, a lot of players end up altering the EQ/gain on the amp to compensate for the loss of definition... which is the opposite of dynamic touch response. But to each his own.

    • @sweetfatson
      @sweetfatson 4 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc Basically, the cable should work for you, sonically, not against you. This is why I recommend every strat and tele player out there to try a high-end silver cable, just once. Personally, I switch back and forth.

    • @sweetfatson
      @sweetfatson 4 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc The real test of cables is to match the eq sonically (within the gear itself) for each cable and see what that does to how the guitar feels and how the gear responds to the signal. Any cable can be "EQ'd" to sound almost indistinguishably similar... but they will feel different under your fingers.

  • @PERRADE
    @PERRADE 4 роки тому +1

    Mogami 2524 y Evidence Audio para mi, los que mejor suenan. Por eso los uso. Y para tocar en casa con los cacharros digitales, Analysis Plus.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +2

      All good choices - the Analysis Plus is good too but I’ve found them to get microphonic if you’re not careful.

  • @georgepreston819
    @georgepreston819 2 роки тому +1

    what would you recommend for a bass guitar?

  • @treishtrei
    @treishtrei 7 місяців тому

    Mogami platinum for distorted tones. Eminence for clean

  • @TheKnutselaar
    @TheKnutselaar 3 роки тому +1

    *eq pedal has left the chat

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  3 роки тому

      Not exactly the same thing as adding capacitance on the input of the system, nor do most EQ's cover that much ground in the guitar range, at best 2/3 of the bands are really guitar oriented as most speakers don't produce much over 5K.

  • @nicolasmayrand7157
    @nicolasmayrand7157 4 роки тому +1

    What about telecaster😔

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      You can presume it's going to fall more in the Stratocaster range in terms of its approximate output and ability to drive a a cable without any on board preamp. We choose the Strat and Les Paul as the most common examples of a single coil and humbucking examples.

    • @nicolasmayrand7157
      @nicolasmayrand7157 4 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc thank you !!!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +1

      🙏@Nicolas Mayrand

  • @ResoBridge
    @ResoBridge 4 роки тому

    Seems an overly complicated presentation to me. The only thing that makes any audible difference to the sound is the total capacitance of the cable.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  4 роки тому +4

      It might be good for you to do your own presentation that simplifies the parts you think are redundant or overstated. If you have a reference one you think is a better presentation, I'd love to learn from it. From what I can see this is among the best out there on UA-cam, although it's perhaps not as comprehensive in terms of cable manufacturers as I'd like. Also, your statement, "the only thing that makes any audible difference to the sound is the total capacitance of the cable," is this something you think, or that you can prove? The fact is a correlation between the thermal characteristics of a cable and sound. There are measurable parameters of cable construction that correlate to sound quality beyond just capacitance. The most typical one is non-linear dielectric absorption (NLDA) in the insulators. For example, iff you measure the impedance of cables with a bridge, you can null out the capacitance and equivalent series resistance (ESR), which is also expressed as dissipation factor (DF), however ESR is the linear portion of DF. The remainder is all distortion. This is a function of frequency, so it will be low mid-band, but is still detectable by a bridge on an unterminated cable. Nevertheless, even in this example here that I did, there are subtleties that are only really detectable with monitors and headphones, and, arguably the feel (that can't be demonstrated via video or audio). At the end of the day any difference in cables has a higher probability of being obliterated by your recording engineer by the time any guitar stem is mixed and mastered in a track. Hope that helps clarify.

    • @ResoBridge
      @ResoBridge 4 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc You ask if I can prove that the only thing that makes any audible difference to the sound is the total capacitance of the cable. Perhaps I should have said the overwhelmingly most significant thing. Conversely, can you prove that it isn’t?
      Your video demonstration is of two people giving their opinions (mostly its Justin) on recordings where they know which cables were used for each recording. Listening tests only have any validity when they are double blind and conducted using a statistically meaningful number of listeners.
      It is easily demonstrated that the capacitance of an instrument cable running between a guitar and an amplifier, or effects pedal, has an obvious, large and easily calculated effect on the sound. For the other phenomena often cited as having an effect in audio cables, skin effect, NLDA, dielectric ghosting, crystal barrier distortion and so on, it can either be shown by calculation that these effects only become significant well above audio frequencies, or the effects are extremely small, hard to measure, or not even present.
      I notice that in the video you give the length, price per foot and significantly, the capacitance per foot, presumably taken from the manufacturers specifications. You don’t give any electrical measurements (NLDA or otherwise). You don’t appear to have actually measured the total capacitance of each cable, which might actually differ from the manufacturers stated capacitance per foot multiplied by the length. The jack plugs will add some capacitance, some cables have their own jack, on some you have added jacks. Based on the numbers you quote in the video there is a wide variation in total capacitance across the five cables. The George L and the Gotham are low and pretty much the same, the Evidence and Mogami are the same and almost twice that of the George L and Gotham. Belden, the winner, has relatively high capacitance, but a little less that the Evidence and Mogami.
      With the volume and tone controls on an electric guitar at maximum, the inductance of the pickup, the self capacitance of the pickup and the cable capacitance form a parallel resonant circuit. Even allowing for the other components in the circuit, it is relatively simple to calculate the EQ curve resulting from this resonance. The calculation can even be verified by measurement using an actual guitar.
      For a typical Stratocaster the calculated EQ peaks are as follows. There is a 12dB per octave roll off after the peak.
      total cable cap.
      Gotham GAC-1 10ft 21pF 210pF 2dB 4.44kHz
      George L 0.155 10ft 20.4pF 204pF 2dB 4.45kHz
      Mogami 2524 10ft 37.9pF 379pF 3dB 3.86kHz
      Evidence Lyric HG 10ft 38pF 380pF 3db 3.89kHz
      Belden 9778 10ft 35pF 350pF 3dB 3.96kHz winner!
      It seems to me that what you like is a +3db peak at just under 4kHz, at least for a Strat (actual values with depend on the exact characteristics of the guitars used, but I think this gives the idea). From the comments made - Gotham (which was the first cable demonstrated and therefore acts as a reference) sounds OK I guess. George L, the lowest capacitance cable - I don’t like it, too bright. It would have been interesting to see how well you and Justin liked the sound if you took the George L, added a 150pF capacitor across it and compared it with the Belden.
      I have my opinions about guitar cables and you have yours. Everyone else should make up their own minds based on whatever data they have to work with.

    • @XChristianNoirX
      @XChristianNoirX 4 роки тому

      Resistance VS capacitance both affect the way a cable becomes a filter.

    • @ResoBridge
      @ResoBridge 4 роки тому

      @@XChristianNoirX The way in which the instrument cable capacitance affects the filtering of the guitar signal is more complex than most people seem to think. The resistance of the cable itself is never a factor. With all the guitar controls at maximum the capacitance of the cable combines with the self capacitance and inductance of the pickup to form a parallel LC tuned circuit. Assuming the standard amplifier input impedance of 1Meg this results in a peak of a few dB in the guitar output in the area of several kHz (the actual frequency depending on the pickup inductance, the pickup self capacitance and the total capacitance of the cable) followed by a 12dB per octave roll off. The height of the peak is determined by the impedance to ground loading on the pickup; the resistance of the tone control, the volume control and the amplifier input impedance. If the guitar volume is turned down, the wiper to clockwise resistance of the volume control rapidly isolates the cable capacitance from the inductance and self capacitance of the pickup, the peak flattens, and the total capacitance of the cable then acts in concert with that wiper to clockwise resistance as an RC filter. At all times the effect of only the cable capacitance is overwhelmingly what you are hearing as far as the effect of the cable is concerned.