I was running this saw for about 2 hours at about a 30-50% duty cycle ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and it did a great job. I used the lever for the built in sharpener to clear chip buildup out more than to actually sharpen the chain. It managed to cut some hardwood stumps much larger than it's size without bothering the neighbors with hours of 2 stroke noise.
I dont like it. Im not born yesterday. You can easily see on the big log you did small rocking motion with the dogs with the MSA 300, while on the petrol you just let the weight of the saw so the cutting. We are not blind, and i dont understand why someone would do it like that... Everything else is quality with this video, and the electric saw is impressive. But the small rocking shows the tester wants the electric saw to do better. Thats not objective teating
Refreshing with someone else call out these BS-testers! I´ve just for fun been watching some clips, and they often put one machine in favo for another and rigs the test for that machine! /L
I rock three MS 200, one MS 170, two Makita cord saws and one Stihl cord saw. All from the early 2000s onward. Bought my first multitronic MS 241 10 years back in 2013 and that MS 261 in 2019. They all run and have their purposes. Bought an MSA 220C last year and even with the AP500s battery it was a complete let down, sold it off last Saturday and bought this MSA 300C today. I can finally give an approval and a word of confidence toward this new technology after having a go with it. I work in log construction and restoration, and we put these machines through the mill, not an easy life for any equipment. The 220 couldn't even push through a 6" log without easing off before the chain stopped moving. My own extension with 8" thick walls was completely off limits to it. Joinery was nearly impossible to accomplish and every small kickback would loosen the chain cause the fast tensioning couldn't handle the strikes. Found this video a bit amusing trying to discreetly discredit petrol chainsaws as outdated. My worksites don't often even have electricity to recharge the batteries and running a set of three 500€ batteries can get a bit expensive not to mention difficult just to make it through a work day. All these machines have their uses. I'm just glad Stihl finally came up with a battery option that allows unhinged indoor operating. The component shortage limited the resales over this behemoth last year they just arrived to the open market couple of weeks ago.
The cross cut speed test: the 261 wasn't pushed into the wood hard enough; meant that it was revving over it's torque band and dusting instead of eating the wood. If it had had more load behind it the revs would have droped and the torque would have been right i.e. 9000rpm vs 12000 and got through log quicker.
That's what I saw, I didn't hear the revs dropping on the 261 as much as with the 300, meaning it was barely being pushed. Also the dust you are getting with it does mean that one, the chain is dull or two, you are not pressing hard enough.
I'm a big fan of engines, I trained as a mechanic before getting into landscaping. I still love servicing and tuning my 2 and 4 stroke garden machinery but I think it's pretty inevitable that battery will replace most if not all garden machinery soon enough... I've switched to all Ego apart from my mower and brush cutter but I think I'll be fully battery soon enough. They are such a joy to use.
Thanks for the great review! I am currently running the Stihl MSA220c. It's an impressive saw for what it is, but I think the 300 is a cut above, so to speak. My main concern with battery powered saws is the huge cost, and I find it difficult to justify this extra outlay. Just like the Tesla cars which have about 80% fewer parts, they should be cheaper than petrol cars, but alas... The same holds true for Stihl's MSA range. Just think - no critical engineering of internal combustion motors (think piston, con-rods, cylinders), clutches, ignition modules, exhaust systems. Just a plain brushless motor with some gears, and an electric controller. Should cost half of the petrol equivalent! And the there's the battery - heavy, expensive, short-lasting. Let's hope it's a case of economies of scale - tight now we're paying for development costs. But once battery saws are in the mainstream, they should (here's hoping) be cheaper than petrol saws... My 20c
Thank you Mike, I have to agree with you, they should be so much cheaper than petrol! With Stihl being at the forefront of chainsaw manufacture they spend millions on r&d, the initial cost of these products is pretty to much pay this bill. The same as Tesla, they have only just started turning a profit after how many years of development? Fingers crossed… they come down in price in a few years 🤩
Hello I have the 220C to and I also have the 161T, each one on it´s class the 161T as of my concern is far superior. I just buy the MSA300 2 weeks ago I have used it one time about 15 minutes and other time about 3 hours, is no way in the world the 220C got even near power-wise. The big problem is the battery I was using the AP500 and if running in full power mode cutting logs about 3/4 of the blade (i was with 40cm.) you may got 15 minutes battery time. If you go in the second speed witch is little slow you maybe around 30 minutes. One thing I notice I was next to the house so wile I was using one battery I was charging another one, with charger500 I recharge themes before they got in red light however when I put themes to charge the the red light come on and it may take about 12 minutes for the 500 charger to cool the batteries, at same time the temperature outside was about 34 centigrade and on the garage probably 25+. Yes is a very fast saw I just wish the batteries with last little longer. One thing that give me a little stress was the button on the side that we must press before the trigger so the machine with run, I am accustomed to the design of the 161T and the 220C and this one don´t feels as comfortable to me, but maybe is a matter of got use to it.
As I've found with my many cordless tools the up-front cost is higher but my time is worth money and they always pay off. I'm a lifelong mechanic but chainsaw fuel systems will never not be annoying. When I had shoulder replacement surgery I also had trees to fall and cordless worked a treat. Now my carefully mothballed gassers have hung on the wall since 2018 along with my nice Shindaiwa weedeater. Cordless tool cost isn't "huge" in constant dollars and total O&M (operation and maintenance) cost is more relevant over time than purchase cost. Quality cordless tools last (I still use my 2005-era V28 Milwaukee recip and portaband saws). No more spring fuel system rituals and being able to grab and go are great advantages. Cordless tools are far better for DIYers than say a homeowner who is otherwise helpless but needs a chain saw now and then. The batteries for my chainsaws also power drills, angle grinders, recip saws and other tools so every addition to the fleet is useful. With labor costs being so high tools are a screaming deal for those who use them or use them over time. A few hundred bucks isn't much per year over say a decade.
Your tach "wheel" needs to be the exact same circumference as the sprcket you're reading off to get an accurate RPM reading of the engine. It looks to me like it's a little smaller, so it would read higher.
It's sad their 'quantitative' test overlooks such details, besides acknowledging Stihls specification is different. Well at least the sprockets on these two saws match so the comparison is valid, as for both an inflated value is measured.
Impressive yes. Practical, no. If another hurricane Ian ripped through Florida, I don't think it would work. Especially when the power is still out to charge the battery. I got stuck with an electric chainsaw and had to bring my generator along but I was running out of battery faster than they could charge. I wanted a 362 but couldn't find one anywhere. Luckily I was able to get a 261 (the only one within a 50 mile radius after the storm) with a 20 inch bar and finished the job. I was able to cut through 16-18 inch logs with it. Next saw I get will probably be the 881. Just because lol
The new battery saw performs really well. But for me, working in forrest to get my firewood, I would need 5-6 batteries with me. That is OK, I can prepare them, fully charge in advance and recharge them overnight. But entry costs of chainsaw + 6 batteries is a killer. I better buy 2 petrol chains and still save money.... Maybe once the prices will be more reasonable.
I'm still very old school and so tend to think if it ain't noisy it ain't powerful but this was an excellent comparison video. I wonder where the tree huggers sit with sawing down trees with an electric saw? Does one cancel out the other 😂
How long can you saw before replacement of the battery? And does it charg the new battary as fast as emptying the one you use? And what is the lifespan of a battery? Those are my questions with this electrical stuff. But over all I'm really impressed 👌
You can charge them as fast as you use them in most cases. I run 3 batts and have continuous power all day. Today was remote so I charged one batt with a small, quiet suitcase generator but we’re normally in urban spaces with outlets🙌🏾
Great review but one thing that was not discussed was the how long a battery last before the need of a recharge? The electric saw may cut quicker but if you have to wait for 2 hours for a battery to charge when you could just refuel the 261 and get back to work.
Where are chainsaws predominantly used? In the woods. Where is there nowhere to charge a battery? In the woods. This is all a marketing gimmick to sell very expensive batteries to people who have been convinced that burning fossil fuel is bad, but haven't been enlightened to how every part in both saws requires lots of oil to mine, refine, manufacture, ship, & charge the batteries. If you live off grid and have your own solar, it could be great, though that "eco" canola B&C oil takes an awful lot of diesel to plant, fertilize, spray (glyphosate), harvest, press, package…
@@kingding8569 Wow. 2-3 batteries to work in the woods? With a minimum 8-hour work day? You need at least 9 of them (assuming that each one actually lasts those 44 minutes - 8 hours minus some breaks for breakfast, cigarette, etc ~ 6.5 hours). So let's count. One chainsaw - £744, plus 9 AP500S batteries - £3465 (£385 each), plus AL301-4 charger - £300. £4509 in total. Stihl MS261 - £924. Only at home you can charge the batteries. Trees do not have power sockets. This chainsaw will probably be a good choice only for gardeners.
I've been using this MSA 300 for little over a year now, and it's absolute beast. It just doesn't cut trees, it slaughters them. I'm running 2 ap500 batteries and charge them with an inverter in my car. 1000 watt inverter. When i've buttcherd my first customer of the day the battery needs to be replaced and the empty bat gets charged in my car. And I keep rotating them for the rest of the day.
Your tacho measuring method is inaccurate. you didn't measure revolutions you measured distance as you ran 1 circumference agains another. Unless all circumferences were identical you introduced a gearing effect.
I don't know why they call it equivalent to a 50cc saw when it weighs as much as a MS 400 and it most definitely doesn't come close in power to it. But hey, if all you need is low noise and a 16" bar and respectable grunt, I get it. It definitely has its use. I guess in ~10+ years we'll see some nice jumps in power-to-weight ratios in battery chainsaws. When they'll make one equivalent to a 661, they'll definitely take my attention and probably money.
I am from St Lucia My name is Thaddeus Jean and I am interested in your still chain saw don't mind having a electrical one to cut trees to make chack cold and send me the price and how I can contact you thank you
I think this would be a nice chunking climbing saw for bigger wood. The problem with gas ones is once you are in a tree. throwing out your shoulder isn't fun and its more dangerous. My boss currently runs a top handle Makita. When its quiet, its much easier to communicate. Battery saws have a lot more advantages in the tree than on the ground (unless you are cutting Y's out of branches all day for a chipper.) But yeah, too expensive at the moment. They need some Tesla batteries in there XD.
They should add a swivel to the batteries so they are easier to send up to the the climber. I would imagine that these are almost impossible to secure well with rope, I guess you have to send them up in a bucket or you have to send the saw down to your ground crew.
You have multiple batteries, just as you wouldn’t only have one tank of gas on-site. Battery swap is much faster than filling a gas tank, actually. As a pro arborist with a fleet of both gas and batt saws, I reach for the batt saws 95% of the time. No farce, just facts.
Pretty sad, you didn't mentioned the battery time. Some other youtubers tested the 500 at max Power and the battery did not passed the 10min.... Nevertheless great video 🤗🖒
So for a full day's work in the woods, you'd need what, 10 grand in batteries? Or... one medium can of gas. I've also found that listed battery cycle life ratings are grossly exaggerated. Especially in high current draw/fast charge situations.
One issue is definitely weight and therefore agility and effect on fatigue. Carrying around an extra 3lbs for the battery for 12 hours straight will definitely be noticeable at the end of the day.
great comparison apart from the run times, as someone who owns a top end off road Ebike i have seen the massive improvements in battery and their management systems over just a couple of years, however one thing that hasnt improved is the price of the equipment or the batteries, you commented about the cost of fuel rising and rightly so, however have you seen the price rise of lithium and cobalt etc which batteries use ? the cost of batteries, recharge times (if your even near a plug ! ) will always be very restrictive and for any user other than an occassional user the run time or cost of spare batteries for a full days work in the woods makes this a total non starter
Nice video fella's. I have been looking forward to seeing this saw in action. I like that it is built beefier than the smaller battery saws, however one drawback is the weight, batteries are heavy. How does the battery run time compare to tanks of fuel used between the saws?
You left out the most important thing how long does that battery last and how long does it take to fully charge you didn't mention anything about either of them in any part of the video
What an awesome test between the MSA 300 and the MS 261! I was really surprised by how quickly both saws performed, especially the MSA 300's smooth cuts. It's interesting to see how electric saws are really stepping up to compete with gas models. What do you think about the future of battery-powered tools in professional settings? Looking forward to more tests!
I love how everyone be like “you don’t have to pay for petrol” SURE it’s like $600 dollars more which is equivalent to buying 150 gallons of gas, but you don’t have to pay for electricity sooo… wait, you do 😮
That looks great, if you don't look at the prices....msa300 is too expensive! Ap500s too I prefer my ms400c for the same weight, and less money with more power
Hi guys, will you do a review on the new Stihl Tsa 300 12 inch saw?? Looks like it could change the level of frustration across all landscapers and builders! Thanks, good honest content as usual !
Vid Request... Could you do a video on how the MSA 300 and other bigger battery saws work with the AP300 battery, how much less power than with the AP300s or 500. I have the msa200 with ap300 batteries like I'm sure a lot of people do. I want to expand into some of the bigger saws but obviously don't want to have to buy different batteries. Thanks Guys, love the videos, keep up the good work.
The power head with battery on that thing is 14 pounds which is slightly heavier than the 500i. Which means it's heavier than all the pro saws. I think battery saws are cool but still have a ways to go before you can compare them to gas saws. If you ever spent the whole day cutting you will know that weight matters. Plus the price with everything you need is still outrageous.
Battery run time wasn't really mentioned. In similar conditions how much wood would the big battery cut compared to a tank of fuel? Great video- thanks for the comparison.
I have Stihl 171 chain 35 cm and Stihl 880 chainshaw chain 63 cm and 120 cm. I not like electronics chainshaw! I have Einhell 230 Voltage chainshaw 40 cm long chain very much problem!! When start sell this new Stihl 300 Battery chainshaw? I watched Stihl 200 battery but this only 35 cm long chain this No much. Is this Stihl chainshaw chain 40 cm?
I'll say that we all need to be extra careful while using any battery saw because the noise just isn't there. You know, the typical saw noise that keeps us awake!
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Hey, where was the intro or did I miss it all together?? Josh don't be drooling on the scales. 😲 Nice saw but for me fuel is not dead yet. P.S. I'm ready to see another Hayes mower demolition derby. 👍
Compare how long it will cut compared to the gas saw. One tank of gas vs one charge. Gas will destroy it. For cutting up 1 small tree it might work, but if your cutting firewood stick with gas power.
@@MachineryNation true but the bigger the tree the faster it drains a battery too, from my findings.. I can kill a 4 AH dewalt battery in 5-15 mins no problem on a large tree. if the tree pinches the chain it drains even faster.
@@MachineryNation if you use it all day long you would need at least 8 batteries, there is a place for electric saws, I have an electric Husqvarna top handle, brilliant bit of kit but until they produce a large electric chainsaw that can run for 8 hours with one battery change then they are never going to be common place out in the forest where there's no electric to recharge them is there unless we spend a small fortune of a box full of batteries and charge the customer twice or three times what we charge now and that's never going to happen. On a good day we will use four gallons of fuel, just how many batteries does that equate to please!
It's seriously impressive how far battery equipment has come along. I'd love to see a battery saw actually fell a decent tree though. Yet to see any video if this done in the UK.
You can bet the MSA300 can fell a decent tree, for about 1 year sense I have it I have fell quite few oaks and also using the saw in a continuous cutting from a pile of logs, in did that is not the issue the real issue is even the best battery the AP500S fail short for this saw. If you cut continuos on a 40cm diameter oak 11 or 12 cuts and you need to recharge the AP500S battery.
everyone is missing the point. great an electric that is "close". ok for someone cutting a tree down over 2 to three days with charge time. ok. but why?~! I'm out sawing, what is the battery life? an additional battery is $405 with tax in MA. A tank of gas is about 20 cents. Also have any of you paid an electric bill lately? its not free to charge. based on current electric pricing and distribution in my area its $.15 for electric for a 9.6 AH to 36V charge. PLUS! the saw is an additional $150 more before an extra battery. Lastly anything electric powered seems throw away VS repair. goodluck.
So with some shoddy math, I come to the conclusion that they are about the same power to weight ratio based of the the weight and second cut test times. It's mighty cool and does have benefits, but I don't think electric saws will merit the replacement of my gas saws until they have a better power to weight ratio.
The real comparison is price and weight which is equivalent to a 70cc chainsaw. The 50cc comparison chainsaw is 40% cheaper and long-term running costs are considerably lower. The only advantage of a electric chainsaw is noise and of course the ability to just start immediately and of course if you've actually charge the battery.
Correct test should be that both gas and electric saw on the ground not running. By the time you fire up a cold gas powered unit the electric is done with the work. Fueling up the gas power unit also takes longer then pupping in a FULLY charged battery. OK ok I know I have to charge the battery up first. :)
Hello. I have the MSA 22O and is okay I just don't like much the way the blade attach seems like a chinese thing. I also have the MSA 161T and about this one I just have no comments is a WORK HORSE I absolutely recommend it. Now I am thinking about the 300 just wonder on how much the battery last, because I also have the battery trimmer 135 and sure works wonderful but even with 500C battery it not last longer.
Impressive saw until you really think about it, you could buy a 462c for the same price and weight, and need be be able to run at least a 32 inch bar. Especially in the states as I’m not sure about emissions regulations in the UK, but for the significantly less money than the battery saw you could get that 261 ported with a muffler and be able to run a much longer bar, I understand this is all use case, but I just can’t see what this saw is built for, for $1400
What about the issue of slave labor producing the materials for those batteries? And though it’s true battery powered tools have come a long way, as a pro sawyer I’d rather not have to buy 6 of those batteries to stay busy all day long. A Stihl 261 can get 8 tankfuls per gallon of gas. One AP 500 battery costs what? 200 dollars maybe? That’s easily over 1000 dollars in batteries if you need to saw all day. Plus the slavery thing I mentioned. I’ll stick to gas.
MSA 300 I have it now, in did a joy powerful machine but kind like a Mustang GT with a gas tank in the reserve. The AP500S battery fail short for this saw.
I am the original owner of a Stihl 026 that it's still operational, do you think for a second that your new fandangled toy will be working 5 years from now? Ten years from now? How many batteries? You can keep them if you like them, I will keep mine.
Construction, maybe, since you Have a lot of start-stop. Forrest, hell NO. Lets see you two work all day with both saws in the Forrest and count the cuts you ve made. AND Lets not forget you ll be needing a generator to charge the batteries. One battery of course wont do. Im pretty sure two batteries are more expensive than a New ms261 and they Have a limited amount oy cycles, whereas Ms261 Will easily do more than 2000 work hours if you at least clean the air filter...
Impressive machine but the MSA chain looks like it's a bit sharper. The next generation of battery chemistry will be interesting. But without a second mortgage on the house for battery packs, the gas version will run forever, with some pit stops for cooling a bit.
Think the battery saws really bog down. Or stop. So i like it but on bigger stuff like to see. But yer looks good on the ground for me thanx. Got a 220 but yer only good for leg sized cuts then says no. 261 will pull thro. But yer like it prob c it here in oz 5 years haha
Nothing beats the sound and the sheer elegance of traditional petrol saws. I run only Stihl motomix in my ms261 and I get double the cut time and the saw just purrs. Motomix is good for what, three years on shelf life? Electric is nice, convenient, reliable and clean. But you won't ever rid humanity of the desire for those smelly good fumes and loud noises. Just no way!
Motomix is good for 2 years after opening the container. Definitely improves performance but also very pricey. A worthy substitute is high octane Ethanol free fuel mixed with Stihl premium 2 stroke. Lucky for me I have a place close by that has 90 octane E-free fuel and the saws love it (261 and 400) 👍🏼
i hate how i've never found a fair test, should be brand new bar, a brand new chain for each with rakers adjusted to make full use of all power available. however, i still think it would be very close with battery possibly still taking the win
A quick check of the Stihl Australia website seems to indicate that we can't get the MSA300, the MSA220 is as high as it goes as far as battery chainsaws available to Australians.
Call me old school. Don't get me wrong these electric saws look cool but I don't ever see them taking the place of the 2 stroke gas saws. Maybe they'll be great for a small niche of users but when I need to cut all day long how many of these over priced batteries am I going to have to have? Compared to a 3 to 4 $ can of gas. I think I'll just keep on cutting and let the setting around to charge batteries to someone that has more time than me. Battery power is suppose to be so clean and green but what's being burnt to produce electricity? Coal, and at least here in the U.S our power grid is struggling to keep up now.
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I was running this saw for about 2 hours at about a 30-50% duty cycle ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and it did a great job. I used the lever for the built in sharpener to clear chip buildup out more than to actually sharpen the chain. It managed to cut some hardwood stumps much larger than it's size without bothering the neighbors with hours of 2 stroke noise.
Thanks 👍🏼
I dont like it. Im not born yesterday. You can easily see on the big log you did small rocking motion with the dogs with the MSA 300, while on the petrol you just let the weight of the saw so the cutting. We are not blind, and i dont understand why someone would do it like that... Everything else is quality with this video, and the electric saw is impressive. But the small rocking shows the tester wants the electric saw to do better. Thats not objective teating
Refreshing with someone else call out these BS-testers! I´ve just for fun been watching some clips, and they often put one machine in favo for another and rigs the test for that machine!
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yea anyways thise saws cut the same basically as both have 3 kw according to stihl 👌🏻
I rock three MS 200, one MS 170, two Makita cord saws and one Stihl cord saw. All from the early 2000s onward. Bought my first multitronic MS 241 10 years back in 2013 and that MS 261 in 2019. They all run and have their purposes. Bought an MSA 220C last year and even with the AP500s battery it was a complete let down, sold it off last Saturday and bought this MSA 300C today. I can finally give an approval and a word of confidence toward this new technology after having a go with it. I work in log construction and restoration, and we put these machines through the mill, not an easy life for any equipment. The 220 couldn't even push through a 6" log without easing off before the chain stopped moving. My own extension with 8" thick walls was completely off limits to it. Joinery was nearly impossible to accomplish and every small kickback would loosen the chain cause the fast tensioning couldn't handle the strikes.
Found this video a bit amusing trying to discreetly discredit petrol chainsaws as outdated. My worksites don't often even have electricity to recharge the batteries and running a set of three 500€ batteries can get a bit expensive not to mention difficult just to make it through a work day. All these machines have their uses. I'm just glad Stihl finally came up with a battery option that allows unhinged indoor operating. The component shortage limited the resales over this behemoth last year they just arrived to the open market couple of weeks ago.
The cross cut speed test: the 261 wasn't pushed into the wood hard enough; meant that it was revving over it's torque band and dusting instead of eating the wood. If it had had more load behind it the revs would have droped and the torque would have been right i.e. 9000rpm vs 12000 and got through log quicker.
That's what I saw, I didn't hear the revs dropping on the 261 as much as with the 300, meaning it was barely being pushed. Also the dust you are getting with it does mean that one, the chain is dull or two, you are not pressing hard enough.
@@iasha740 Ditto
De acord. Iar turatia lui 261 fara garnirura de taiere,13400 rpm in gol, este putin. Trebuia cel putin 14600 rpm.
Tree hugger saws for people who cut down trees. Now that’s an oxymoron!
I'm a big fan of engines, I trained as a mechanic before getting into landscaping. I still love servicing and tuning my 2 and 4 stroke garden machinery but I think it's pretty inevitable that battery will replace most if not all garden machinery soon enough... I've switched to all Ego apart from my mower and brush cutter but I think I'll be fully battery soon enough. They are such a joy to use.
Really impressed with my RMA 448 battery mower.. think Hayes might sell them!
Thanks for the great review! I am currently running the Stihl MSA220c. It's an impressive saw for what it is, but I think the 300 is a cut above, so to speak.
My main concern with battery powered saws is the huge cost, and I find it difficult to justify this extra outlay. Just like the Tesla cars which have about 80% fewer parts, they should be cheaper than petrol cars, but alas... The same holds true for Stihl's MSA range. Just think - no critical engineering of internal combustion motors (think piston, con-rods, cylinders), clutches, ignition modules, exhaust systems. Just a plain brushless motor with some gears, and an electric controller. Should cost half of the petrol equivalent! And the there's the battery - heavy, expensive, short-lasting.
Let's hope it's a case of economies of scale - tight now we're paying for development costs. But once battery saws are in the mainstream, they should (here's hoping) be cheaper than petrol saws...
My 20c
Thank you Mike, I have to agree with you, they should be so much cheaper than petrol! With Stihl being at the forefront of chainsaw manufacture they spend millions on r&d, the initial cost of these products is pretty to much pay this bill. The same as Tesla, they have only just started turning a profit after how many years of development? Fingers crossed… they come down in price in a few years 🤩
Hello I have the 220C to and I also have the 161T, each one on it´s class the 161T as of my concern is far superior. I just buy the MSA300 2 weeks ago I have used it one time about 15 minutes and other time about 3 hours, is no way in the world the 220C got even near power-wise. The big problem is the battery I was using the AP500 and if running in full power mode cutting logs about 3/4 of the blade (i was with 40cm.) you may got 15 minutes battery time. If you go in the second speed witch is little slow you maybe around 30 minutes. One thing I notice I was next to the house so wile I was using one battery I was charging another one, with charger500 I recharge themes before they got in red light however when I put themes to charge the the red light come on and it may take about 12 minutes for the 500 charger to cool the batteries, at same time the temperature outside was about 34 centigrade and on the garage probably 25+. Yes is a very fast saw I just wish the batteries with last little longer. One thing that give me a little stress was the button on the side that we must press before the trigger so the machine with run, I am accustomed to the design of the 161T and the 220C and this one don´t feels as comfortable to me, but maybe is a matter of got use to it.
As I've found with my many cordless tools the up-front cost is higher but my time is worth money and they always pay off. I'm a lifelong mechanic but chainsaw fuel systems will never not be annoying. When I had shoulder replacement surgery I also had trees to fall and cordless worked a treat. Now my carefully mothballed gassers have hung on the wall since 2018 along with my nice Shindaiwa weedeater.
Cordless tool cost isn't "huge" in constant dollars and total O&M (operation and maintenance) cost is more relevant over time than purchase cost. Quality cordless tools last (I still use my 2005-era V28 Milwaukee recip and portaband saws). No more spring fuel system rituals and being able to grab and go are great advantages.
Cordless tools are far better for DIYers than say a homeowner who is otherwise helpless but needs a chain saw now and then. The batteries for my chainsaws also power drills, angle grinders, recip saws and other tools so every addition to the fleet is useful. With labor costs being so high tools are a screaming deal for those who use them or use them over time. A few hundred bucks isn't much per year over say a decade.
Your tach "wheel" needs to be the exact same circumference as the sprcket you're reading off to get an accurate RPM reading of the engine. It looks to me like it's a little smaller, so it would read higher.
It's sad their 'quantitative' test overlooks such details, besides acknowledging Stihls specification is different. Well at least the sprockets on these two saws match so the comparison is valid, as for both an inflated value is measured.
Impressive yes. Practical, no. If another hurricane Ian ripped through Florida, I don't think it would work. Especially when the power is still out to charge the battery. I got stuck with an electric chainsaw and had to bring my generator along but I was running out of battery faster than they could charge. I wanted a 362 but couldn't find one anywhere. Luckily I was able to get a 261 (the only one within a 50 mile radius after the storm) with a 20 inch bar and finished the job. I was able to cut through 16-18 inch logs with it. Next saw I get will probably be the 881. Just because lol
The new battery saw performs really well. But for me, working in forrest to get my firewood, I would need 5-6 batteries with me. That is OK, I can prepare them, fully charge in advance and recharge them overnight. But entry costs of chainsaw + 6 batteries is a killer. I better buy 2 petrol chains and still save money.... Maybe once the prices will be more reasonable.
I'm still very old school and so tend to think if it ain't noisy it ain't powerful but this was an excellent comparison video. I wonder where the tree huggers sit with sawing down trees with an electric saw? Does one cancel out the other 😂
This is very true Al. Probably still get someone shouting out “you have ruined everything for us” 😂😂
It really is crazy how far battery powered equipment has come. Interesting to see how many people take it up.
Thank you Landon, it has come a long way will be more interesting to see where it is in 5 or 10 years 😎
How long can you saw before replacement of the battery? And does it charg the new battary as fast as emptying the one you use? And what is the lifespan of a battery? Those are my questions with this electrical stuff. But over all I'm really impressed 👌
Unfortunately, no one ever answers those specific questions in these videos...
You can charge them as fast as you use them in most cases. I run 3 batts and have continuous power all day. Today was remote so I charged one batt with a small, quiet suitcase generator but we’re normally in urban spaces with outlets🙌🏾
Great review but one thing that was not discussed was the how long a battery last before the need of a recharge?
The electric saw may cut quicker but if you have to wait for 2 hours for a battery to charge when you could just refuel the 261 and get back to work.
Video coming soon 👍🏼
If you buy a second battery you can swap on and off. Sure it’s more $ but it’s better than messing with carburetor and gas.
Where are chainsaws predominantly used? In the woods. Where is there nowhere to charge a battery? In the woods. This is all a marketing gimmick to sell very expensive batteries to people who have been convinced that burning fossil fuel is bad, but haven't been enlightened to how every part in both saws requires lots of oil to mine, refine, manufacture, ship, & charge the batteries.
If you live off grid and have your own solar, it could be great, though that "eco" canola B&C oil takes an awful lot of diesel to plant, fertilize, spray (glyphosate), harvest, press, package…
That’s why have have 2 or 3 batteries
@@kingding8569 Wow. 2-3 batteries to work in the woods? With a minimum 8-hour work day? You need at least 9 of them (assuming that each one actually lasts those 44 minutes - 8 hours minus some breaks for breakfast, cigarette, etc ~ 6.5 hours). So let's count. One chainsaw - £744, plus 9 AP500S batteries - £3465 (£385 each), plus AL301-4 charger - £300. £4509 in total. Stihl MS261 - £924.
Only at home you can charge the batteries. Trees do not have power sockets. This chainsaw will probably be a good choice only for gardeners.
I've been using this MSA 300 for little over a year now, and it's absolute beast. It just doesn't cut trees, it slaughters them. I'm running 2 ap500 batteries and charge them with an inverter in my car. 1000 watt inverter. When i've buttcherd my first customer of the day the battery needs to be replaced and the empty bat gets charged in my car. And I keep rotating them for the rest of the day.
Really interesting, thank you. How would it compare with the much less expensive Husqvarna 540iXP?
Your tacho measuring method is inaccurate. you didn't measure revolutions you measured distance as you ran 1 circumference agains another. Unless all circumferences were identical you introduced a gearing effect.
I don't know why they call it equivalent to a 50cc saw when it weighs as much as a MS 400 and it most definitely doesn't come close in power to it. But hey, if all you need is low noise and a 16" bar and respectable grunt, I get it. It definitely has its use. I guess in ~10+ years we'll see some nice jumps in power-to-weight ratios in battery chainsaws. When they'll make one equivalent to a 661, they'll definitely take my attention and probably money.
Wave of the future. Gas powered saws are going to be on their way out for the consumer soon.
That is simply because it has the power and cutting speed of a 50ccm.
About the weight, I can easily find a 50ccm that is heavier than this one!
Don’t forget the stench of 2 stroke oil that lingers on you clothes for days.
@@johnkennedy8363 That is not a problem when using alkylate petrol.
Did the guy above try perfume lol
All that was missing was a price comparison and how much a spare battery will cost
I am from St Lucia My name is Thaddeus Jean and I am interested in your still chain saw don't mind having a electrical one to cut trees to make chack cold and send me the price and how I can contact you thank you
I think this would be a nice chunking climbing saw for bigger wood. The problem with gas ones is once you are in a tree. throwing out your shoulder isn't fun and its more dangerous. My boss currently runs a top handle Makita. When its quiet, its much easier to communicate. Battery saws have a lot more advantages in the tree than on the ground (unless you are cutting Y's out of branches all day for a chipper.) But yeah, too expensive at the moment. They need some Tesla batteries in there XD.
They should add a swivel to the batteries so they are easier to send up to the the climber. I would imagine that these are almost impossible to secure well with rope, I guess you have to send them up in a bucket or you have to send the saw down to your ground crew.
@@skitidet4302 Yup you send the saw down to the ground crew, then they do a battery swap and then the climber pulls back up the saw.
They're excellent for that purpose and Stihl has been making them for a while now. I've been using a MSA161 T since 2015 and it hasn't failed me yet.
Anyone else notice that RPM measurement process looks... questionable?
Probably is 😂😂
This is one great video! Really impressed with the performance of that MSA300 🤘🏼. Well made guys
Surprising results. Even James maybe converted 😂
Can’t come to terms for a battery saw to replace my ms462cm. Maybe for light pruning but I have a Husqy 545 mk2 for that.
Hey. Good video!
Both saws should be tested simultaneously for their battery and tank life, for example by sawing logs of the same thickness.
100% another video coming soon, please subscribe 👍🏼
I wish for a big plug in saw.#
then time how long it takes to charge a battery/vs how long it takes to fill a tank lol this video is a farce plain and simple lol
You have multiple batteries, just as you wouldn’t only have one tank of gas on-site. Battery swap is much faster than filling a gas tank, actually. As a pro arborist with a fleet of both gas and batt saws, I reach for the batt saws 95% of the time. No farce, just facts.
Wonder how the battery will handle colder weather?
They get weaker
Need to compare tank of fuel to battery consumption.
Gas powered chainsaws will be going away soon its incredible how far battery technology has come and will continue to go in the future.
It certainly is! 🤩
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Pretty sad, you didn't mentioned the battery time. Some other youtubers tested the 500 at max Power and the battery did not passed the 10min....
Nevertheless great video 🤗🖒
So for a full day's work in the woods, you'd need what, 10 grand in batteries? Or... one medium can of gas. I've also found that listed battery cycle life ratings are grossly exaggerated. Especially in high current draw/fast charge situations.
Just somethin bout electric saws. Chain seems to argue if on an angle. Not sure sproket or why, just found that. Looks good cheers
Yeah the earlier one certainly did, the newer ones seem a lot smother 👌🏽
One issue is definitely weight and therefore agility and effect on fatigue. Carrying around an extra 3lbs for the battery for 12 hours straight will definitely be noticeable at the end of the day.
it would build your muscles up... some people say the MS 881 , that's nearly 13kg with the bar, I love the MS881, a proper work out
great comparison apart from the run times, as someone who owns a top end off road Ebike i have seen the massive improvements in battery and their management systems over just a couple of years, however one thing that hasnt improved is the price of the equipment or the batteries, you commented about the cost of fuel rising and rightly so, however have you seen the price rise of lithium and cobalt etc which batteries use ? the cost of batteries, recharge times (if your even near a plug ! ) will always be very restrictive and for any user other than an occassional user the run time or cost of spare batteries for a full days work in the woods makes this a total non starter
Nice video fella's. I have been looking forward to seeing this saw in action. I like that it is built beefier than the smaller battery saws, however one drawback is the weight, batteries are heavy. How does the battery run time compare to tanks of fuel used between the saws?
notice how they didn't answer you? because they were paid to make this video
Some other demos put the 500 battery around 20 minutes in standard power.
she cut's eh . awesome vid guys .peace an love from scotland stu an family
Thank you Stuart 😎
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Sadly you can buy stihl at ace hardware and northern tool, that alone made prices rise along with covid nonsense.
I wish the big sellers over here would increase the prices rather than giving them away 😂😂
You left out the most important thing how long does that battery last and how long does it take to fully charge you didn't mention anything about either of them in any part of the video
Stay tuned another video will be uploaded soon 👍🏼
What an awesome test between the MSA 300 and the MS 261! I was really surprised by how quickly both saws performed, especially the MSA 300's smooth cuts. It's interesting to see how electric saws are really stepping up to compete with gas models. What do you think about the future of battery-powered tools in professional settings? Looking forward to more tests!
I love how everyone be like “you don’t have to pay for petrol” SURE it’s like $600 dollars more which is equivalent to buying 150 gallons of gas, but you don’t have to pay for electricity sooo… wait, you do 😮
That looks great, if you don't look at the prices....msa300 is too expensive! Ap500s too
I prefer my ms400c for the same weight, and less money with more power
Hi guys, will you do a review on the new Stihl Tsa 300 12 inch saw?? Looks like it could change the level of frustration across all landscapers and builders! Thanks, good honest content as usual !
Vid Request... Could you do a video on how the MSA 300 and other bigger battery saws work with the AP300 battery, how much less power than with the AP300s or 500. I have the msa200 with ap300 batteries like I'm sure a lot of people do. I want to expand into some of the bigger saws but obviously don't want to have to buy different batteries. Thanks Guys, love the videos, keep up the good work.
The Stihl msa300 has aggressive and sharpness chain. Try that test again with the same bar and chain and put much torque on stihl ms 261
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I'm not sure. If you have a Stihl dealer local to you. Give them a shout. Thank you.
The power head with battery on that thing is 14 pounds which is slightly heavier than the 500i. Which means it's heavier than all the pro saws. I think battery saws are cool but still have a ways to go before you can compare them to gas saws. If you ever spent the whole day cutting you will know that weight matters. Plus the price with everything you need is still outrageous.
I like the whole battery idea, but for me the noise is part of the chainsaw experience........love the sound chainsaws make!
Same here
You will have to get a recording to play alongside 😂
@@MachineryNation Hahahhah yep
Great video guys! This helps me figure out my next saw! Keep up the great work!
Thank you so much Jenna 😎 I hope the carving is going well!
Battery run time wasn't really mentioned. In similar conditions how much wood would the big battery cut compared to a tank of fuel? Great video- thanks for the comparison.
Thank you Redgum. More videos to come 🤩
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I think that those electric stuff is really fancy, but maybe too fancy for the forest😅
I must have been living under a rock because I haven’t even heard of that saw impressive though
Brand new saw just out 🤩
I have Stihl 171 chain 35 cm and Stihl 880 chainshaw chain 63 cm and 120 cm. I not like electronics chainshaw! I have Einhell 230 Voltage chainshaw 40 cm long chain very much problem!! When start sell this new Stihl 300 Battery chainshaw? I watched Stihl 200 battery but this only 35 cm long chain this No much. Is this Stihl chainshaw chain 40 cm?
I'll say that we all need to be extra careful while using any battery saw because the noise just isn't there. You know, the typical saw noise that keeps us awake!
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When they dig on my new stainless steel sound hell, yeah
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And I'm gonna cut you down to size
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Which better? Battery Stihl not good 30 minutes work and battery died need charge. I have Stihl 880 and Stihl 171 more better
Hey, where was the intro or did I miss it all together??
Josh don't be drooling on the scales. 😲
Nice saw but for me fuel is not dead yet.
P.S. I'm ready to see another Hayes mower demolition derby. 👍
Compare how long it will cut compared to the gas saw. One tank of gas vs one charge. Gas will destroy it. For cutting up 1 small tree it might work, but if your cutting firewood stick with gas power.
cant charge a battery in the woods and you would need a ton of batteries to do the same work as a gas saw.
Yeah I agree, although pro saws are not just used in the woods. Plenty of pro applications where charging and longevity are not an issue 👍🏼
@@MachineryNation true but the bigger the tree the faster it drains a battery too, from my findings.. I can kill a 4 AH dewalt battery in 5-15 mins no problem on a large tree. if the tree pinches the chain it drains even faster.
14000RPM max with chain and bar according to STIHLSSC technical data
Flat out you will get about 45 minutes per battery so you would need half a dozen batteries for a days work?
If you use it all day long then you would need several batteries. Plenty of pros would not need it continually all day 👍🏼
@@MachineryNation if you use it all day long you would need at least 8 batteries, there is a place for electric saws, I have an electric Husqvarna top handle, brilliant bit of kit but until they produce a large electric chainsaw that can run for 8 hours with one battery change then they are never going to be common place out in the forest where there's no electric to recharge them is there unless we spend a small fortune of a box full of batteries and charge the customer twice or three times what we charge now and that's never going to happen. On a good day we will use four gallons of fuel, just how many batteries does that equate to please!
We have the MSA220 and the MS180 the same results in our testing 🚜👍🏼🇺🇸
It's seriously impressive how far battery equipment has come along. I'd love to see a battery saw actually fell a decent tree though. Yet to see any video if this done in the UK.
You can bet the MSA300 can fell a decent tree, for about 1 year sense I have it I have fell quite few oaks and also using the saw in a continuous cutting from a pile of logs, in did that is not the issue the real issue is even the best battery the AP500S fail short for this saw.
If you cut continuos on a 40cm diameter oak 11 or 12 cuts and you need to recharge the AP500S battery.
everyone is missing the point. great an electric that is "close". ok for someone cutting a tree down over 2 to three days with charge time. ok. but why?~! I'm out sawing, what is the battery life? an additional battery is $405 with tax in MA. A tank of gas is about 20 cents. Also have any of you paid an electric bill lately? its not free to charge. based on current electric pricing and distribution in my area its $.15 for electric for a 9.6 AH to 36V charge. PLUS! the saw is an additional $150 more before an extra battery. Lastly anything electric powered seems throw away VS repair. goodluck.
Look at that bar oil dump during the rpm tests,what a great sight :)
Gushing 🤤
Nice One looks a good saw will the 500 battery's work in the other equipment Thanks again
I love my 20” dewalt, but the Stihl looks cool.
Thank you Warren 🤩
I have Stihl MS261-CM-W very good and powerful chainsaw
Now do the same thing with a muffler mod like any semi proffesional would do to a 261, is also important to mention the 261 was not broken in yet 🤦♂️
I have gas powered saws that have outlasted 4 or 5. Batteries, and those batteries get real pricey , real quick.
So with some shoddy math, I come to the conclusion that they are about the same power to weight ratio based of the the weight and second cut test times. It's mighty cool and does have benefits, but I don't think electric saws will merit the replacement of my gas saws until they have a better power to weight ratio.
The real comparison is price and weight which is equivalent to a 70cc chainsaw. The 50cc comparison chainsaw is 40% cheaper and long-term running costs are considerably lower. The only advantage of a electric chainsaw is noise and of course the ability to just start immediately and of course if you've actually charge the battery.
Wow, great video. I'm going to get a cordless chain saw. STIHL looks like the one.
Awesome, thank you Doug 🤩
Correct test should be that both gas and electric saw on the ground not running. By the time you fire up a cold gas powered unit the electric is done with the work. Fueling up the gas power unit also takes longer then pupping in a FULLY charged battery. OK ok I know I have to charge the battery up first. :)
Hello. I have the MSA 22O and is okay I just don't like much the way the blade attach seems like a chinese thing. I also have the MSA 161T and about this one I just have no comments is a WORK HORSE I absolutely recommend it. Now I am thinking about the 300 just wonder on how much the battery last, because I also have the battery trimmer 135 and sure works wonderful but even with 500C battery it not last longer.
Impressive saw until you really think about it, you could buy a 462c for the same price and weight, and need be be able to run at least a 32 inch bar. Especially in the states as I’m not sure about emissions regulations in the UK, but for the significantly less money than the battery saw you could get that 261 ported with a muffler and be able to run a much longer bar, I understand this is all use case, but I just can’t see what this saw is built for, for $1400
Let me put my MS261c-m against this battery saw with my chain of choice and run the times again I bet they will be different
What about the issue of slave labor producing the materials for those batteries? And though it’s true battery powered tools have come a long way, as a pro sawyer I’d rather not have to buy 6 of those batteries to stay busy all day long. A Stihl 261 can get 8 tankfuls per gallon of gas. One AP 500 battery costs what? 200 dollars maybe? That’s easily over 1000 dollars in batteries if you need to saw all day. Plus the slavery thing I mentioned. I’ll stick to gas.
Putting a battery on a power saw is pure blasphemy!!😁
Probably a true story 😂😂
@@MachineryNation 🤣🤣👍🏻
I will stick with gas! I hate anything electric. batteries die , get old and cost way to much!!
MSA 300 I have it now, in did a joy powerful machine but kind like a Mustang GT with a gas tank in the reserve. The AP500S battery fail short for this saw.
I am the original owner of a Stihl 026 that it's still operational, do you think for a second that your new fandangled toy will be working 5 years from now? Ten years from now? How many batteries?
You can keep them if you like them, I will keep mine.
Construction, maybe, since you Have a lot of start-stop. Forrest, hell NO. Lets see you two work all day with both saws in the Forrest and count the cuts you ve made. AND Lets not forget you ll be needing a generator to charge the batteries. One battery of course wont do. Im pretty sure two batteries are more expensive than a New ms261 and they Have a limited amount oy cycles, whereas Ms261 Will easily do more than 2000 work hours if you at least clean the air filter...
No. I love my little "Hatchet" like a child, but it doesn't replace my firstborn - ms170 or my big boy ms 462c.
I'd love to have a battery powered saw.... But, after looking at the cost of the batteries... Thanks, but no thanks.
Impressive machine but the MSA chain looks like it's a bit sharper. The next generation of battery chemistry will be interesting. But without a second mortgage on the house for battery packs, the gas version will run forever, with some pit stops for cooling a bit.
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You guys are hilarious 😂 thanks for sharing!
Thank you VER we try not to be boring 🤩
That’s not the way you measure the revolution speed. You measure the circumference speed !!
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Wow amazing👍👍😍.... Actually can't afford one.. Hope one day..
Keep saving, it will be worth it 🤩
Think the battery saws really bog down. Or stop. So i like it but on bigger stuff like to see. But yer looks good on the ground for me thanx. Got a 220 but yer only good for leg sized cuts then says no. 261 will pull thro. But yer like it prob c it here in oz 5 years haha
Nothing beats the sound and the sheer elegance of traditional petrol saws.
I run only Stihl motomix in my ms261 and I get double the cut time and the saw just purrs. Motomix is good for what, three years on shelf life?
Electric is nice, convenient, reliable and clean.
But you won't ever rid humanity of the desire for those smelly good fumes and loud noises. Just no way!
Motomix is good for 2 years after opening the container. Definitely improves performance but also very pricey. A worthy substitute is high octane Ethanol free fuel mixed with Stihl premium 2 stroke. Lucky for me I have a place close by that has 90 octane E-free fuel and the saws love it (261 and 400) 👍🏼
Agreed
i hate how i've never found a fair test, should be brand new bar, a brand new chain for each with rakers adjusted to make full use of all power available.
however, i still think it would be very close with battery possibly still taking the win
A quick check of the Stihl Australia website seems to indicate that we can't get the MSA300, the MSA220 is as high as it goes as far as battery chainsaws available to Australians.
Batteries are to heavy, to expensive and to short run time. Cold reduces their output. They fail and will end up as toxic waste.
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Call me old school. Don't get me wrong these electric saws look cool but I don't ever see them taking the place of the 2 stroke gas saws. Maybe they'll be great for a small niche of users but when I need to cut all day long how many of these over priced batteries am I going to have to have? Compared to a 3 to 4 $ can of gas. I think I'll just keep on cutting and let the setting around to charge batteries to someone that has more time than me. Battery power is suppose to be so clean and green but what's being burnt to produce electricity? Coal, and at least here in the U.S our power grid is struggling to keep up now.
Still playing with batteries huh?
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New Sub!!!! Well done. Im not ready to give up my 261 just yet but saws are an addiction... So yea... Nobody can have just 1 or 2.....
Thank you for the sub and support! 1 or 2 is never enough 😂