I've been using the Msa220 for a couple of years now, very pleased, super cheap to run, inverter charger in the van so the battery charges while I have a coffee, all sorted!
So cool! It likely won’t replace gas for full time outdoor workers unless they spend a fortune on batteries, or possibly over time, 5-10 yrs, the batteries save gas money. But for the casual home user, maybe slowly building a log cabin or cleaning brush, that is an absolute beast and well worth the no fumes!🎉
Great saw to keep in the truck. My driveway is 2.5 miles long up a mountain and is wooded the whole way. I can carry this and not have to deal with gas, just bar oil.
I can use the previous two Stihl battery op saws to cut sticks...I need to know how the 300 does on bigger wood. (because that's it's actual job) For wood this size I'll be sticking to the 220.
I have one and its awesome. Battery charge last longer than expected in a real forestry environment. I mostly do fir and i use it as my biggest main saw!
My Tree Surgeon friend has been using a STIHL MSA 300 in 18" for some time now, and I installed his charging setup in his work truck. About his setup: I added a split charger coming off the alternator which is charging the starter battery plus 12v 400ah lifepo4 batteries (16x 3.2v 100ah cells running 4s 4p) giving 4.8kwh of storage, we also added 2 120w flexible solar panels to the roof which feed into 15a mttp charge controller, then we have a 3kw pure sine wave inverter AC 240v, this is an overkill system, but the inverter also powers a 1.5kw kettle for hot drinks a small 800w microwave and a 40w fridge for milk and cold drinks etc, then we have a 4 way slow battery charger and 1 fast charger/cooler and 4 500S and 4 300s batteries for 2 e-saws as he has an MSA 220TC0 also, the complete setup cost £5k, the 2x saws just under £1500, 4x 500S £1140, 4x 300s £1100, 2 chargers £425, the Lifepo4 with BMS £400 (alisxpress) inverter EGSCATEE £220, 2x 120w solar panels with controller £200, and the split charge relay plus needed wire and fusses £40, but it will pay for itself in the first year with the price of petrol and oil as high as it is, as he was spending £120 a week to fuel his petrol saws that's £6k a year alone.
Thanks for both this and the previous video. I'm not sure if you mentioned but what's the dry weight (no bar oil, bar and chain) of the powerhead and the ap500 combined, please.
@@mikeortiz6578 thank you, we are just using what we have and this if what we had the most of to do the test. In fact if you think about cutting up a tree rather than logs, this is fairly on point. Not everyone uses a chainsaw just for logs 👍🏼
@@mikeortiz6578 You are absolutly right. I have the 3 161T, 220C and MSA300, I also have the batteries 1 AP200, 1 AP300, 3 AP300S AND 2 AP500, this kind logs I very much can do with 161T and I can tell you this is good machine even with AP200 witch I use most because is light you can got many cuts. The 220 C sure is bigger and more power then the 161T but you got 50% less battery time, now the MSA 300 yes is another story the 220C stay way behind. Bat the battery time and using the AP500 if you go in full power mode maybe 15 minutes this cutting logs that uses 3/4 of a 40cm bar, if you go in second speed little bid slower but you got more battery time.
@@MachineryNation That's pretty heavy for a saw that is comparable to a 50cc saw in terms of power. It's ms661 weight, except it has basically half the power. I'm going to stick to gas saws. They are still vastly superior, especially if you port them and put an after market muffler on them.
This is fantastic to see! We are thinking about buying 3 or 4 MSA300 with 3 batteries each. It’d be interesting to see if there’s a significant difference in run time between running a 14” 16” and 18” bar!
Thank you Angus. Please let Hayes Machinery know if there is anything they can help with to supply you. I should imagine there won’t be to much difference between the bars.
Will you be at the Devon county show to look at different saws? We’ve got a massive long shopping list this year! 13 chainsaws 7 brush cutters 2 hedge trimmers Polesaw And everything that goes with it!
I have it with both 16 and 18" I have not time it to the seconds but feels not much difference. Is a great powerful saw but even the AP500 battery is not up to the saw.
My first time here. I’m impressed by the results. I currently own a Ego saw. Have you ever compared these two and if so is it worth buying this saw over the Ego unit? Thanks!
Strange, I have the 220C, 161T, MSA300, GTA26 and the Trimmer 135, in particular the 161T and the Trimmer 135 I have used and abused themes so far they never fail. In general my only problem is the batteries time. It may happen you have got a defective one. My 161T sooner I may have to change the chain lock cover but because of the abuse and were- tearing it have been subjected. I have the 161T and the 220C about 2 years I am not a logger but I have cut quit amount of wood in particular oak never have problems.
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Great effort from the saw, just a shame Electric saws and the decent batteries are so expensive compared to a gas saw. Stihl you need to do deals in all uk dealers , buy a saw and the top battery and get another top battery and charger free!
The battery saws are slightly cheaper, take the STIHL MSA 220T with the 300s battery and the fast charger comes in at £1100, whereas the equivalent petrol MS 362CM is £1228, and you do not even get the bar and chain on the petrol saws.
It's true they are more expensive, I have the top handle 161 and a 220 the savings come in my not buying a single litre of petrol in over two years, charging on solar panels or economy 7 overnight. Nice!
Cool test! I would love to see how many cuts in a big log the MSA 300 can make vs 1 full tank of gas in a 261 or equivalent. My experience with electric saw is that long heavy cuts drain the battery faster than short quick cuts. I do love my eclectic saw though
What is the full charge time on a battery? A combi can full of 2-stroke for me!! But yes quite impressive-but i'll stick to my trusty petrol Husqvarnas for as long as possible! Thanks for a good demo tho!👍
It’s quite impressive for a battery saw. The org I work for trialled various battery saws, they all got handed back as not suitable for professional use. From what I was told battery life was rubbish, a fair bit less than this Stihl. Saying that I still don’t think this type of saw is suitable for professional use yet. Three batteries per hour, eighteen if your cutting for six hours out of a eight hour day. I haven’t worked out how many batteries and chargers you’d need to accomplish this. Would a vehicle have enough battery power to charge batteries all day whilst not running, I’d guess not. Solution a generator in a trailer? 😁😁 At the moment these are probably more suited to home users, I’d be happy with one for that purpose.
Hi Al, This is a pretty extreme test and probably not for what the saw was intended to be used for. What you are suggesting (in terms of batteries requered to run all day) is decades away. We don't have a battery system that can run all day yet. The battery would need to have 10 x the capacity and half the weight for your scenario to be viable. We will get there but we not see it. This is absolutely a professional saw. You'd be nuts to buy this as a homeowner (unless you just want to hang it next to your Tesla in the garage). Where it will be used is by urban arborists in areas where noise is an issue. You would be able to happily remove a large tree with this with maybe 2 batteries. My friend tells a story of removing trees in a city area during the night (when they were allowed to close the road) but they were forbidden to use a petrol saw. It was a big bugger (1m+ base) and they had to use a husky rear handle saw to do it. They used 12 batteries to get through the thing. A petrol ms261 saw would have done it in maybe 2 mins of actual running time and I expect this would be the same. That company does a lot of city work at night.
@Positive Aspect I agree, this saw is as professional a saw as we can get at the moment in battery form. I use professional level Husqvarna saws for home use, why wouldn’t this Stihl be suitable? It’s quieter, no mixing of fuel, pick it up and put the battery in it and off you go. Some of same reasons the Urban Arborists used it. When I was felling trees professionally, this Stihl would be good for three trees at the most, 15 bits of 2.1m pulp. My Husqvarna 254, 10 trees, 50 bits of 2.1m pulp. Would like to see a long term test of the Stihl, see if it lasts in a professional scenario. By that I mean being used as a main saw everyday all day.
@@positiveaspect5730 I have this saw the MSA300 and the AP500 battery, the saw is great no doubt but the battery cutting time is miserable, I wish if at least it with last as much as the AP200 on the 161T witch I also have. In full power on logs that take about 80% of a 16" blade I be around 15 minutes, and then it takes the charger 500 about 20 minutes to cool off the battery so it can start charging back again. The batteries are not up to the saw.
For wood with that tikns I have no need to pay top money for the sthil 300, I can very much do all that with 161T with 30cm bar or with 220 which I have both.
Unfortunately I don't think that's quite good enough yet, undoubtedly has the cutting power but 20 mins cutting let's face it sticks isn't enough. Realistically cutting larger material with more trigger time the battery will last 15 mins so your looking at 4 batteries with 3 rapid chargers to keep you going. Looks rather expensive to run a professional team on anything but domestic works.
You’re right, it would be quite a cost outlay to set up a team full time with these if you were full time users. But, professionals are not always full time users, if you take professionals like Fencing contractors Site carpenters Landscape gardeners Ground workers Or anyone else who uses a saw part time. These professionals are not so worried about run time, they want a battery saw that will withstand their job while being in the back of a van/truck. Hope this helps.
@@MachineryNation Don't get me wrong I fully understand there are different professionals and trades with lower trigger time applications. I genuinely look forward to when the technology improves even more (won't be long with the current pace of innovation) I feel when batteries last nearer an hour and/or charging out paces use so you can get away with 2 batteries and one charger that'll be when these machines come into their own. Ps, Love videos
@@danielpollard3504 thank you Daniel, I can’t wait either, it will stop full time pros moaning it does not last long enough hahahahah 😂😂 thank you for your support, it’s very welcome 👍🏼
I could see me using this in the yard/woods to cut some logs down.. but then after i get back home i just use a corded stihl saw.. because it will run always.. and its lighter for longer work... so i might aswell just use a gass saw for the bigger work and then a corded one for making lots of cuts (like in the video).
@@danielpollard3504 Look on STIHL own website as a full tank of fuel lasts around 8-15 minutes (EPA tested) on their saws, meaning the battery saws already have a much longer run time, Just look at the MS 391 which uses 1.779LT an hour and has a 0.47lt tank that's under 15 minutes run time and is one of their longest running saws in this size range.
Yes you right should be on a bigger wood, I have one MSA300 it cut oak with 18" blade very much using the all blade fast no problem at all it is a joy power full machine however is like a Mustang GT with an empty tank of gas. Even the bigger battery the AP500S is not up to the machine.
But your cutting 6 inch sticks??...with an 18" b/c. I also dont want to buy new very expensive battery packs every few years. I get about 5 years commercial use out of a Stihl gas pro saw. The electric saws are getting there but for my business don't quite make sense just yet.
Yup....You are right. It doesn't make financial sense now. I'm rebuilding battery packs for myself. I'm hoping to study at tafe (when I've finished my current tafe course (Aboriculture) so I can get a ticket to be able to repair and sell the refurbished batteries. Often the issues with the batteries are 1 dead cell that needs replacing (a $10 part) or even one or two cells get discharged too much but won't recharge. They just need taking out and recharging separately and you are good as gold). Simple repairs that are not catered for currently by our throw-away culture or if you do get a quote, it will be so expensive it's not worth it. Hi from the Blue Mountains
Bury the whole length of the bar in hard timber i.e. beech.. dog the saw into the wood as much as it can take while keeping up chain speed. That would be a better test. Numerous cuts of low load in small diameter roundwood a bit pointless imo.
He is only cutting stick wood? Cut something at full bar, show people how long they last then, they are useless at that kind of work, I tried one to see how good they are and I won't be buying one any time soon for the big stuff, on a plus note battery-powered top handle saws are brilliant up the tree and I was impressed enough to buy one.
Well I have the stihl 220C and the 161T, No offense but this test is a joke because only cut light wood try tick logs where you need at least 3/4 of the blade. Or try go long way like if you want take boards or beams. I have try that and 5 minutes or less and the red light on the battery com on and it stop then I have to wait and let the battery cool of or change the batteries in mean time.
Hey guys, (gals of there are any that work for you company.. lol) so I need to ask you all a favor. Could you do me a favor, and open a branch of Hayes Machinery in Louisville KY in the USA? I could take get into coming into your store on payday. And going home a few hours later to explain to my wife how my checks gone an hour and a half after I get off work on payday.. lol nah, but I would really like to check out your store. And I don't have a passport. Lol great video once again. Take care, and take it easy..
I think that is not the proper test for that machine, I just buy one 2 weeks ago, you cutting small trunks for that is no need the MSA300, try in wood that you using 80 or 90% of the blade, in full power you may got 15 minutes cutting time with AP500 in eco-mode yes you may got about 30 minutes. At least was very much what I did got.
Thank you for your feedback. Please remember that not all professionals are always full time users, if you take professionals like Fencing contractors Site carpenters Landscape gardeners Ground workers Or anyone else who uses a saw part time. These professionals are not so worried about run time, they want a battery saw that will withstand their job while also being in the back of a van/truck.
If you ran an ms 261 (the petrol equivalent) in the same manner, it would be about the same time for a tank of fuel. You could always do the test if you like???
@@MachineryNation Run time is so misunderstood by non-battery users. As soon as they start to use a battery tool, they soon realise after a day or two. My Makita top handle (I'm an arborist groundsman full time) lasts me all week with 2 sets of batteries. I have 5amps @36v and 3amps @ 36v.....That's it. I don't take a charger to work. I've never run both sets empty in a day because I use it appropriately for what it's designed to be used for. I have 7 chainsaws but only one Electric. The electric saw gets 80%+ of the use. If I have to cut larger stuff, I use a petrol saw....pretty simple.
@@bobsbeard3977 If you did that, You'd cook your batteries within a year. They are not able to be charged when hot (when they come off the saw) or you damage them. You need to wait for them to cool for a few hours before recharging and again after they have charged. I've cooked a few now...I also only use a regular charger now (rather than a fast charger) as fast charging also reduces the life of the battery. I just bought a couple of extra batteries to fill in the waiting time. More upfront cost but I believe it will pay off in the long run as I don't kill batteries now and mine are $200+ each.
If it does 20 minutes on a battery and you work eight hours a day, you need 24 battery’s to get you trough the day… I am a big Stihl fan, but it doesn’t make any sense to promote this saw as a saw for professionals, because no professional will ever use it in forestry applications and carry 24 battery’s around.
@@paynebabes123 I agree that that works well in residential areas but in the forest that is a bit more difficult or you need a generator, but then I don’t see the benefit of the battery. However I agree that a homeowner or a residential contractor would probably be fine with this saw and I heard some awesome reviews about the cutting speed of this saw.
Thank you for your feedback. Please remember that not all professionals are always full time users, if you take professionals like Fencing contractors Site carpenters Landscape gardeners Ground workers Or anyone else who uses a saw part time. These professionals are not so worried about run time, they want a battery saw that will withstand their job while also being in the back of a van/truck.
@@MachineryNation I live in and work in a natural forest environment. I use a range of saws from hand saws to power saws every day. Here's some info and the pro's and con's for using a battery saw in a forest application : 1) A battery saw is not a falling nor limbing saw. It's for clearing tracks and roads as well as thinning out branches for fire fuel load reduction and access. 2) A battery saw is handy when you have to stop all the time to cut a thin branch off a track or from a tree. Knowing that one does not have to pull the rip cord 100 times a day sure makes using a battery saw an enjoyable and viable option. With a battery saw you just squeeze and cut. 3) A battery saw can never be left in the back of a truck. 4) When using a saw near visitors an electric saw is either on or it's off meaning that the net result is that it's quieter and perceived to be environmentally friendly from a noise pollution perspective. An electric saw is running less time and that means less noise. 5) When used as described above one battery will last all day and they do. I have this experience with the 220 Stihl. I use a range of power saws each day and there is no battery saw that will ever replace them. The two technologies are used for different tasks in a forest setting. To conclude, One could say that battery saws have their place in a professional work space however they should be marketed as aids to peripherally assist the main objectives of the overarching forest-wide operation. At first I was against the idea of bringing battery saws into the field but I now know they have their place albeit a niché place.
You’re right, unfortunately we are using the timber we have and not all professionals are always full time users, if you take professionals like Fencing contractors Site carpenters Landscape gardeners Ground workers Or anyone else who uses a saw part time. These professionals are not so worried about run time, they want a battery saw that will withstand their job while being in the back of a van/truck.
We don’t have endless supply’s of timber I’m afraid, we can only use what we have. Please remember that not all professionals are always full time users, if you take professionals like Fencing contractors Site carpenters Landscape gardeners Ground workers Or anyone else who uses a saw part time. These professionals are not so worried about run time, they want a battery saw that will withstand their job while also being in the back of a van/truck.
HOW WAS THIS SUPPOSED TO SELL ME ON THIS PRODUCT?! Hello! With only 20 minutes run time and being overall initially more expensive then a gas driven along with battery charging why should I buy this product over a gas powered???? why are you guys so excited about pitching a horrible product???
I've been using the Msa220 for a couple of years now, very pleased, super cheap to run, inverter charger in the van so the battery charges while I have a coffee, all sorted!
So cool! It likely won’t replace gas for full time outdoor workers unless they spend a fortune on batteries, or possibly over time, 5-10 yrs, the batteries save gas money. But for the casual home user, maybe slowly building a log cabin or cleaning brush, that is an absolute beast and well worth the no fumes!🎉
I have my Petrol saws on the farm and battery at home to keep the neighbours happy. I think that is a great amount of cuts on a battery.
Its time for Floyd sparky Sweet small ZPE device to power everthing we need.
Great saw to keep in the truck. My driveway is 2.5 miles long up a mountain and is wooded the whole way. I can carry this and not have to deal with gas, just bar oil.
I can use the previous two Stihl battery op saws to cut sticks...I need to know how the 300 does on bigger wood. (because that's it's actual job) For wood this size I'll be sticking to the 220.
I have one and its awesome. Battery charge last longer than expected in a real forestry environment. I mostly do fir and i use it as my biggest main saw!
My Tree Surgeon friend has been using a STIHL MSA 300 in 18" for some time now, and I installed his charging setup in his work truck.
About his setup: I added a split charger coming off the alternator which is charging the starter battery plus 12v 400ah lifepo4 batteries (16x 3.2v 100ah cells running 4s 4p) giving 4.8kwh of storage, we also added 2 120w flexible solar panels to the roof which feed into 15a mttp charge controller, then we have a 3kw pure sine wave inverter AC 240v, this is an overkill system, but the inverter also powers a 1.5kw kettle for hot drinks a small 800w microwave and a 40w fridge for milk and cold drinks etc, then we have a 4 way slow battery charger and 1 fast charger/cooler and 4 500S and 4 300s batteries for 2 e-saws as he has an MSA 220TC0 also, the complete setup cost £5k, the 2x saws just under £1500, 4x 500S £1140, 4x 300s £1100, 2 chargers £425, the Lifepo4 with BMS £400 (alisxpress) inverter EGSCATEE £220, 2x 120w solar panels with controller £200, and the split charge relay plus needed wire and fusses £40, but it will pay for itself in the first year with the price of petrol and oil as high as it is, as he was spending £120 a week to fuel his petrol saws that's £6k a year alone.
Thanks for both this and the previous video. I'm not sure if you mentioned but what's the dry weight (no bar oil, bar and chain) of the powerhead and the ap500 combined, please.
Thank you 🤩🤩 dry weight of both is 7.4kg
These videos showed very small logs. Really most of us cutting for heating use minimum 6 to 10” logs. Why don’t you show that! Please get real.
@@mikeortiz6578 thank you, we are just using what we have and this if what we had the most of to do the test. In fact if you think about cutting up a tree rather than logs, this is fairly on point. Not everyone uses a chainsaw just for logs 👍🏼
@@mikeortiz6578 You are absolutly right. I have the 3 161T, 220C and MSA300, I also have the batteries 1 AP200, 1 AP300, 3 AP300S AND 2 AP500, this kind logs I very much can do with 161T and I can tell you this is good machine even with AP200 witch I use most because is light you can got many cuts. The 220 C sure is bigger and more power then the 161T but you got 50% less battery time, now the MSA 300 yes is another story the 220C stay way behind. Bat the battery time and using the AP500 if you go in full power mode maybe 15 minutes this cutting logs that uses 3/4 of a 40cm bar, if you go in second speed little bid slower but you got more battery time.
@@MachineryNation That's pretty heavy for a saw that is comparable to a 50cc saw in terms of power. It's ms661 weight, except it has basically half the power. I'm going to stick to gas saws. They are still vastly superior, especially if you port them and put an after market muffler on them.
This is fantastic to see! We are thinking about buying 3 or 4 MSA300 with 3 batteries each. It’d be interesting to see if there’s a significant difference in run time between running a 14” 16” and 18” bar!
Thank you Angus. Please let Hayes Machinery know if there is anything they can help with to supply you. I should imagine there won’t be to much difference between the bars.
Will you be at the Devon county show to look at different saws? We’ve got a massive long shopping list this year!
13 chainsaws
7 brush cutters
2 hedge trimmers
Polesaw
And everything that goes with it!
I have it with both 16 and 18" I have not time it to the seconds but feels not much difference. Is a great powerful saw but even the AP500 battery is not up to the saw.
My first time here. I’m impressed by the results. I currently own a Ego saw. Have you ever compared these two and if so is it worth buying this saw over the Ego unit? Thanks!
Awesome, thank you for joining us. Both are good saws but the Stihl defo feels more like a Fuel powered saw 👍🏼
@@MachineryNation Thank you for replying. 😊
How does MSA 300 on AP 500 S run time compare to Husqvarna 540iXP on bli300? I'm trying to choose between these two
I'd love to see the longevity of this machine. My msa200 had a dead motor after about 6cords of timber..
Strange, I have the 220C, 161T, MSA300, GTA26 and the Trimmer 135, in particular the 161T and the Trimmer 135 I have used and abused themes so far they never fail. In general my only problem is the batteries time. It may happen you have got a defective one.
My 161T sooner I may have to change the chain lock cover but because of the abuse and were- tearing it have been subjected.
I have the 161T and the 220C about 2 years I am not a logger but I have cut quit amount of wood in particular oak never have problems.
I think that's an issue for the warranty department!!
The Lumberjack
Jackyl
Composition: Jesse James Dupree
Ha haaa
I was born in the backwoods
Of a two-bit nowhere town
Fathered up some rock 'n' roll (baby)
So your mothers could boogie down
I ain't whistling Dixie
No I'm a rebel with a groove
All around the world the go 'round and 'round
When they dig on my new stainless steel sound hell, yeah
I'm said a lumberjack oh, baby
And I'm gonna cut you down to size
I'm a lumberjack now baby
And you're the one you're the one that gets my prize
When you hear my motor running
You know I surely be coppin' a rise
Oh! So I'm gonna crank it up down the alley and jack it
Woo
I'm a lumberjack now baby
I'm a lumberjack now baby
I'm a lumberjack now baby
Ohh I'm a lumberjack now baby
But I ain't jacked my lumber baby
Since my chainsaw you
Ha haaa
Whether you like it or whether you don't woo
That's the way we like it
I think I will watch all your vids at that speed unless the subject is Milwaukee 😂❤️
Hahaha you will need to be superman to keep up hahahah 😂
Great effort from the saw, just a shame Electric saws and the decent batteries are so expensive compared to a gas saw. Stihl you need to do deals in all uk dealers , buy a saw and the top battery and get another top battery and charger free!
The battery saws are slightly cheaper, take the STIHL MSA 220T with the 300s battery and the fast charger comes in at £1100, whereas the equivalent petrol MS 362CM is £1228, and you do not even get the bar and chain on the petrol saws.
It's true they are more expensive, I have the top handle 161 and a 220 the savings come in my not buying a single litre of petrol in over two years, charging on solar panels or economy 7 overnight. Nice!
Timer continues even when not using saw. What was actually trigger time ?
Cool test! I would love to see how many cuts in a big log the MSA 300 can make vs 1 full tank of gas in a 261 or equivalent. My experience with electric saw is that long heavy cuts drain the battery faster than short quick cuts. I do love my eclectic saw though
What is the full charge time on a battery? A combi can full of 2-stroke for me!!
But yes quite impressive-but i'll stick to my trusty petrol Husqvarnas for as long as possible! Thanks for a good demo tho!👍
It’s quite impressive for a battery saw. The org I work for trialled various battery saws, they all got handed back as not suitable for professional use. From what I was told battery life was rubbish, a fair bit less than this Stihl. Saying that I still don’t think this type of saw is suitable for professional use yet. Three batteries per hour, eighteen if your cutting for six hours out of a eight hour day. I haven’t worked out how many batteries and chargers you’d need to accomplish this. Would a vehicle have enough battery power to charge batteries all day whilst not running, I’d guess not. Solution a generator in a trailer? 😁😁 At the moment these are probably more suited to home users, I’d be happy with one for that purpose.
Hi Al, This is a pretty extreme test and probably not for what the saw was intended to be used for. What you are suggesting (in terms of batteries requered to run all day) is decades away. We don't have a battery system that can run all day yet. The battery would need to have 10 x the capacity and half the weight for your scenario to be viable.
We will get there but we not see it.
This is absolutely a professional saw. You'd be nuts to buy this as a homeowner (unless you just want to hang it next to your Tesla in the garage).
Where it will be used is by urban arborists in areas where noise is an issue.
You would be able to happily remove a large tree with this with maybe 2 batteries.
My friend tells a story of removing trees in a city area during the night (when they were allowed to close the road) but they were forbidden to use a petrol saw.
It was a big bugger (1m+ base) and they had to use a husky rear handle saw to do it.
They used 12 batteries to get through the thing. A petrol ms261 saw would have done it in maybe 2 mins of actual running time and I expect this would be the same.
That company does a lot of city work at night.
@Positive Aspect I agree, this saw is as professional a saw as we can get at the moment in battery form. I use professional level Husqvarna saws for home use, why wouldn’t this Stihl be suitable? It’s quieter, no mixing of fuel, pick it up and put the battery in it and off you go. Some of same reasons the Urban Arborists used it. When I was felling trees professionally, this Stihl would be good for three trees at the most, 15 bits of 2.1m pulp. My Husqvarna 254, 10 trees, 50 bits of 2.1m pulp.
Would like to see a long term test of the Stihl, see if it lasts in a professional scenario. By that I mean being used as a main saw everyday all day.
@@almclean4835 cost
@@positiveaspect5730 cost doesn’t make it unsuitable, just means it’s expensive
@@positiveaspect5730 I have this saw the MSA300 and the AP500 battery, the saw is great no doubt but the battery cutting time is miserable, I wish if at least it with last as much as the AP200 on the 161T witch I also have. In full power on logs that take about 80% of a 16" blade I be around 15 minutes, and then it takes the charger 500 about 20 minutes to cool off the battery so it can start charging back again. The batteries are not up to the saw.
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For wood with that tikns I have no need to pay top money for the sthil 300, I can very much do all that with 161T with 30cm bar or with 220 which I have both.
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Thanks for sharing Gents, can it be had with a full wrap handle?
Unfortunately I don't think that's quite good enough yet, undoubtedly has the cutting power but 20 mins cutting let's face it sticks isn't enough.
Realistically cutting larger material with more trigger time the battery will last 15 mins so your looking at 4 batteries with 3 rapid chargers to keep you going. Looks rather expensive to run a professional team on anything but domestic works.
You’re right, it would be quite a cost outlay to set up a team full time with these if you were full time users. But, professionals are not always full time users, if you take professionals like
Fencing contractors
Site carpenters
Landscape gardeners
Ground workers
Or anyone else who uses a saw part time.
These professionals are not so worried about run time, they want a battery saw that will withstand their job while being in the back of a van/truck.
Hope this helps.
@@MachineryNation Don't get me wrong I fully understand there are different professionals and trades with lower trigger time applications.
I genuinely look forward to when the technology improves even more (won't be long with the current pace of innovation) I feel when batteries last nearer an hour and/or charging out paces use so you can get away with 2 batteries and one charger that'll be when these machines come into their own.
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@@danielpollard3504 thank you Daniel, I can’t wait either, it will stop full time pros moaning it does not last long enough hahahahah 😂😂 thank you for your support, it’s very welcome 👍🏼
I could see me using this in the yard/woods to cut some logs down.. but then after i get back home i just use a corded stihl saw.. because it will run always.. and its lighter for longer work... so i might aswell just use a gass saw for the bigger work and then a corded one for making lots of cuts (like in the video).
@@danielpollard3504 Look on STIHL own website as a full tank of fuel lasts around 8-15 minutes (EPA tested) on their saws, meaning the battery saws already have a much longer run time, Just look at the MS 391 which uses 1.779LT an hour and has a 0.47lt tank that's under 15 minutes run time and is one of their longest running saws in this size range.
bigger wood please! :)
Thank you for your feedback, If we had bigger wood we would of, we’re just using what we have. I hope it was still useful.
Yes you right should be on a bigger wood, I have one MSA300 it cut oak with 18" blade very much using the all blade fast no problem at all it is a joy power full machine however is like a Mustang GT with an empty tank of gas. Even the bigger battery the AP500S is not up to the machine.
I get 14 minutes on high from mine. Not good would return if I could. Today got 3 large cuts done before it just failed.
It does 26 inch rounds then run out of battery quick. Gas chew threw it and keep going so gas lasts way longer
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And msa220 in battery 500s?
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I can get a week of cutting from one battery but I take a lot of breaks.
But your cutting 6 inch sticks??...with an 18" b/c. I also dont want to buy new very expensive battery packs every few years. I get about 5 years commercial use out of a Stihl gas pro saw. The electric saws are getting there but for my business don't quite make sense just yet.
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Yup....You are right. It doesn't make financial sense now. I'm rebuilding battery packs for myself. I'm hoping to study at tafe (when I've finished my current tafe course (Aboriculture) so I can get a ticket to be able to repair and sell the refurbished batteries.
Often the issues with the batteries are 1 dead cell that needs replacing (a $10 part) or even one or two cells get discharged too much but won't recharge. They just need taking out and recharging separately and you are good as gold). Simple repairs that are not catered for currently by our throw-away culture or if you do get a quote, it will be so expensive it's not worth it.
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Bury the whole length of the bar in hard timber i.e. beech.. dog the saw into the wood as much as it can take while keeping up chain speed. That would be a better test. Numerous cuts of low load in small diameter roundwood a bit pointless imo.
He is only cutting stick wood? Cut something at full bar, show people how long they last then, they are useless at that kind of work, I tried one to see how good they are and I won't be buying one any time soon for the big stuff, on a plus note battery-powered top handle saws are brilliant up the tree and I was impressed enough to buy one.
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Well I have the stihl 220C and the 161T, No offense but this test is a joke because only cut light wood try tick logs where you need at least 3/4 of the blade. Or try go long way like if you want take boards or beams. I have try that and 5 minutes or less and the red light on the battery com on and it stop then I have to wait and let the battery cool of or change the batteries in mean time.
You could cut even more if you find thinner sticks..
That’s a good shout! We could try it on dowels 😂
Get out felling with one to give it a true test.
Hey guys, (gals of there are any that work for you company.. lol) so I need to ask you all a favor. Could you do me a favor, and open a branch of Hayes Machinery in Louisville KY in the USA? I could take get into coming into your store on payday. And going home a few hours later to explain to my wife how my checks gone an hour and a half after I get off work on payday.. lol nah, but I would really like to check out your store. And I don't have a passport. Lol great video once again. Take care, and take it easy..
I think that is not the proper test for that machine, I just buy one 2 weeks ago, you cutting small trunks for that is no need the MSA300, try in wood that you using 80 or 90% of the blade, in full power you may got 15 minutes cutting time with AP500 in eco-mode yes you may got about 30 minutes. At least was very much what I did got.
Only 20 mins cutting thinnings, pretty disappointing I'd say. Petrol still wins top trumps!
Thank you for your feedback. Please remember that not all professionals are always full time users, if you take professionals like
Fencing contractors
Site carpenters
Landscape gardeners
Ground workers
Or anyone else who uses a saw part time.
These professionals are not so worried about run time, they want a battery saw that will withstand their job while also being in the back of a van/truck.
It would require having at least 3 batteries in rotation.
If you ran an ms 261 (the petrol equivalent) in the same manner, it would be about the same time for a tank of fuel. You could always do the test if you like???
@@MachineryNation Run time is so misunderstood by non-battery users. As soon as they start to use a battery tool, they soon realise after a day or two.
My Makita top handle (I'm an arborist groundsman full time) lasts me all week with 2 sets of batteries.
I have 5amps @36v and 3amps @ 36v.....That's it. I don't take a charger to work.
I've never run both sets empty in a day because I use it appropriately for what it's designed to be used for.
I have 7 chainsaws but only one Electric. The electric saw gets 80%+ of the use. If I have to cut larger stuff, I use a petrol saw....pretty simple.
@@bobsbeard3977 If you did that, You'd cook your batteries within a year. They are not able to be charged when hot (when they come off the saw) or you damage them. You need to wait for them to cool for a few hours before recharging and again after they have charged. I've cooked a few now...I also only use a regular charger now (rather than a fast charger) as fast charging also reduces the life of the battery. I just bought a couple of extra batteries to fill in the waiting time.
More upfront cost but I believe it will pay off in the long run as I don't kill batteries now and mine are $200+ each.
If it does 20 minutes on a battery and you work eight hours a day, you need 24 battery’s to get you trough the day… I am a big Stihl fan, but it doesn’t make any sense to promote this saw as a saw for professionals, because no professional will ever use it in forestry applications and carry 24 battery’s around.
2 batteries and a rapid charger. At least that's what I do with my Ego.
@@paynebabes123 I agree that that works well in residential areas but in the forest that is a bit more difficult or you need a generator, but then I don’t see the benefit of the battery. However I agree that a homeowner or a residential contractor would probably be fine with this saw and I heard some awesome reviews about the cutting speed of this saw.
Thank you for your feedback. Please remember that not all professionals are always full time users, if you take professionals like
Fencing contractors
Site carpenters
Landscape gardeners
Ground workers
Or anyone else who uses a saw part time.
These professionals are not so worried about run time, they want a battery saw that will withstand their job while also being in the back of a van/truck.
@@robinmoens1840 I can't imagine it's any use as a forestry saw no.
@@MachineryNation I live in and work in a natural forest environment. I use a range of saws from hand saws to power saws every day.
Here's some info and the pro's and con's for using a battery saw in a forest application :
1) A battery saw is not a falling nor limbing saw. It's for clearing tracks and roads as well as thinning out branches for fire fuel load reduction and access.
2) A battery saw is handy when you have to stop all the time to cut a thin branch off a track or from a tree. Knowing that one does not have to pull the rip cord 100 times a day sure makes using a battery saw an enjoyable and viable option. With a battery saw you just squeeze and cut.
3) A battery saw can never be left in the back of a truck.
4) When using a saw near visitors an electric saw is either on or it's off meaning that the net result is that it's quieter and perceived to be environmentally friendly from a noise pollution perspective. An electric saw is running less time and that means less noise.
5) When used as described above one battery will last all day and they do. I have this experience with the 220 Stihl.
I use a range of power saws each day and there is no battery saw that will ever replace them. The two technologies are used for different tasks in a forest setting.
To conclude, One could say that battery saws have their place in a professional work space however they should be marketed as aids to peripherally assist the main objectives of the overarching forest-wide operation. At first I was against the idea of bringing battery saws into the field but I now know they have their place albeit a niché place.
Cutting to small logs for real world ops
You’re right, unfortunately we are using the timber we have and not all professionals are always full time users, if you take professionals like
Fencing contractors
Site carpenters
Landscape gardeners
Ground workers
Or anyone else who uses a saw part time.
These professionals are not so worried about run time, they want a battery saw that will withstand their job while being in the back of a van/truck.
Put that into some bigger wood and test , work it and your results won't look as good .
I reckon 2 or 3 cuts using the full 18" and the battery would be dead🤣
Really don't see the market for this saw, just a gimmick.
We don’t have endless supply’s of timber I’m afraid, we can only use what we have. Please remember that not all professionals are always full time users, if you take professionals like
Fencing contractors
Site carpenters
Landscape gardeners
Ground workers
Or anyone else who uses a saw part time.
These professionals are not so worried about run time, they want a battery saw that will withstand their job while also being in the back of a van/truck.
Only 20 mins cutting thinnings pretty disappointing I'd say.petrol still wins top trumps
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HOW WAS THIS SUPPOSED TO SELL ME ON THIS PRODUCT?!
Hello! With only 20 minutes run time and being overall initially more expensive then a gas driven along with battery charging why should I buy this product over a gas powered???? why are you guys so excited about pitching a horrible product???
What a joke 20 minutes in those small logs and branches ,probably less than 10 in real logs .
As I thought electric chainsaws are totally garbage.Not worth it to pay such a huge amount of money and imagine 20 min on small wood.
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Sucks. Would need like 5 battery packs to get a truckload of wood.
Micro logs
Yep, for the micro pigs to keep warm this winter 😉😂
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so not worth it when you need to cut for 5 hours lols
Stil not enough runtime.
Those were twigs. lol cut some logs with diameter
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Nothing can replace petrol engine...
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