They probably believed audiences liked him too much and wouldn't accept the turn. Also, what would/could he have done differently prior to returning to Westeros? If they hadn't killed of Barristan, he could have gone to work undercutting him to curry favor, but they needed a fight scene.
@@InfiniteBeak For me their treatment of Theon was one of the most offensive :( Most of his scenes in the second half were just making fun of his castration.
Tyrion as a show character was at his best when he’s back and forth against Tywin. Then the show chose to remove his brain cells away to prop up Sansa as the “smartest person Arya knows”😢
If he'd just had the scripts to work with, Peter could have rocked that character arc SO hard. I don't care about his height, he needs another role that does his acting skills justice stat!
I would love a video on Sansa/Alayne next, given that her story line is going to be quite different from the show and I think the Vale storyline is heavily underrepresented in the current conversations within the fandom.
The one thing that I just noticed is that We kinda already have a proper representation of Tyrion on TV. Something that Game of Thrones show failed to do so. It was the story of Saul Goodman in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. He’s funny, relatable, smart but also marginalized and tragic as hell. And yet, the tragedy still didn’t excuse the crimes he commit and his character arc was wrapped up nicely.
I keep thinking to myself when I see videos like these "wow I really should finish the books before watching it" forgetting that I HAVE read all the books and have been waiting for winds.
It's really amazing that Aegon and Connington fell for the "invade Westeros first" plan. Potentially pissing off the teenager with dragons who you hoped to get on your side is kind of stupid on the face of it.
The problem for Tyrion is that while his reasoning for invading Westeros is bad, there's an argument to be made it isn't actually the wrong move. We know from the Jon Con chapters that the Golden Company can't really get to Slaver's Bay as all their routes are blocked or far too dangerous to attempt. And as it turns out, the Tyrell-Lannister alliance is even more on the brink of collapse than Tyrion realises with a lot of people having an axe to grind. It wouldn't surprise if that is part of the reason why Tyrion goes full burn it all down in Book 6/7 as he realises he essentially told Aegon how to massively strengthen his position vs. Dany's and goes to increasingly desparate lengths to cover it up.
Do one on Jon I feel his resurrection could really change him and lead to a lot more reckless and angry behaviour from him. There is also the chance the others resurrect him first based on the armoured in black ice which is quite interesting. Val would probably be a night’s queen as well which would be cool. Not to mention when he resurrects he will probably have red eyes and white hair making look like his farther and ghost and the red eyes would link to Stoneheart and Melisandre as they also has red eyes also like the Targaryen red as well.
I assume that his resurrection will unlock his Targaryen madness. And his eventual clash with Ramsay won’t be about A heroic avenger vs A psychopath serial killer baddie like in the show but instead, it will be An altruistic but very emotionally unstable person full of rage and trust issues vs A psychopath serial killer baddie Then after that should be about Jon’s mini arc about coming to terms with his anger management. He might need someone else that he should let go of his anger and be focus on the actual big picture of saving the world. That person could probably be Lady Stoneheart herself, considering that both of them got thrown into very similar situations despite hating each other. I hope Catelyn won’t end in a tragic way like getting killed by Brienne and Arya because that would mean she got betrayed over and over in any lives she lived. I hope she’s the one who finds out about Jon’s true lineage and learns to forgive him, probably even legitimize him as a king in the north via Robb’s crown that she’s carrying. Catelyn forgiving Jon and guiding Jon to the right path after he’s struggling with emotional turmoil could be a satisfying conclusion to her arc, that her one and only act of motherly love to Jon ends up saving the world. She could also become the Nissa Nissa of the story as well. Jon might be the one to end her suffering and in the process, lighten up Longclaw and transforms it into Lightbringer.
@@nont18411 "unlock his Targaryen madness" you make it sound like this is an anime or something. Someone going a little crazy after being betrayed and literally killed doesnt need to have a justification like "the madness in my blood"
Jon having cosmically severe betrayal trauma is going to be interesting. His internal conflicts seemed like they were almost resolved, but this will reignite just about all of them. Something I haven't seen anybody talk about is how the way the resurrected act is based on their religion. Beric becomes a flaming sword wielding agent of R'hllor and Catelyn dresses up like a silent sister and more or less acts like the Stranger. Jon could act like some incarnation of the old gods. He could become a recluse and only venture out in the company of those he trusts most, like a wolf pack. He might kill his enemies by slashing their throats in front of heart trees and hanging their entrails on those trees. Maybe holding trial in front of the heart trees and being whispered to by Bran whether the accused is lying or not. Martin is definitely setting up something with Jon being the 998th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Jon will probably come back from the dead, kill the 999th Lord Commander who the mutineers elect and become the 1000th and final Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.
man the dynamic between Tyrion, Dany, Barristan, Victarion, Jorah, Daario, Ben Plum, Strong Belwas, the Shave Pate and Marwyn will be the best part of the book... assuming most of them live past the first quarter of winds
We gotta see where Jon Snow's character goes in Winds, how his resurrection will work and his character after... Oh and him professing his love for Satin as well, which is ever important.
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I think it would be great if you cover Ned Stark next. He will probably visit Jon in his pigeon form and reveal that Jon is the one who was promised. Also his future interactions with Lady Stoneheart will be very interesting to see.
Love the idea of Tyrion ”adopting Victarion as a second Bronn” 😂 thanks for another solid vid! Maybe the Starks next, if we’re going house by house? Then Dany & (F)Aegon? And maybe Jon sneakily between Starks & Targs!
My personal theory about Tyrion: Tyrion will negotiate with Aegon Blackfyre on Daenerys' behalf, but Varys convinces him to smuggle Aegon into Dragonstone, where Aegon will steal Viserion, in exchange Aegon will place Tyrion as Lord of Casterly Rock. This will be the betrayal for gold that Daenerys will suffer, the golden dragon for the gold of Casterly Rock.
As I have commented under the Jaime and Cersei’s videos I think that the taking of Casterly Rock will happen at the end of Dream, sort of like the Scouring of the Shire, but I do think Iromen will be involved, not Vic though. I think Vic will live at least long enough to transport Daenerys forces to Westeros, there’s the foreshadowing for him to attack Claw Island and take that sweet Valyrian steel sword, but after that I think he’ll not live long enough, as soon as he encounters Euron he’s fried. I do think that Asha and Theon will go back to the Iron Islands and swear allegiance to Dany cause she’ll have dragons and she’ll be the better candidate to defeat Euron who’ll probably have a dragon of his own by that point. So, I think that when they are going to take Casterly Rock the naval forces of the Iron Islands will be very helpful. As for Tyrion in Winds I think he’ll be the one who’ll push Dany to go to Westeros and pursue the political battle for the throne while Moqorro will urge her to stay in the East and continue the slave liberation and Marwyn will try to push her towards the magical battle against the Others. I am really enjoying this Winds series, I don’t know what to suggest you as the next POV, as either have suggested you could either go with blocks of families or blocks of locations.
Great video as always! Would love to see an episode on Davos soon and I am looking forward to his time on skagos. However, do whichever characters you want to do next… Another one on Jon Con would also always be wanted, but you know that 😂
Haven't watched the video yet, but I think Tyrion, now that he just wants everything to burn; he could be the catalyst that drives Dany to descend into becoming the Mad Queen if Martin choses to go down that route.
@@ingen_nate_kenny6588 interesting take. I think he would fit with Team Daenerys but since Aegon has already reached Westeros joining him is also possible.
10:00 Tyrion’s story parallels Littlefinger’s story which happens at the same time as the parallel between Sansa and Dany. I think Tyrion will tell Dany that Faegon is trying to usurp her throne by invading Westeros before joining her, even reveal Faegon’s Blackfyre lineage to provoke her even more which will cause the 2nd Dance of the Dragons/6th Blackfyre rebellion. But once Tyrion learned of the whereabouts of Tysha and the Long Night is at the horizon, this will spark his redemption arc and try his hardest to clean up his own mess, even end up killing Dany in the process. Tyrion is a redemptive character, not a tragic one. Littlefinger, on the other hand, will go to the deep end without redemption in sight. After the Boltons are dealt with, he will poison Sansa’s mind to kill Jon (like using the same talking point as Catelyn about how Jon is like Daemon Blackfyre trying to usurp the throne from the Targaryens, which is ironic as Jon is a Targaryen, then use the evidence of Jon creating the new House Thenn or how he deserted the Night’s Watch to reclaim Winterfell as a back up point). Sansa will become paranoid and imprison Jon for desertion and order Jon to be executed, despite the protests of House Thenn (that Jon created), Ryswell and Dustin (that are not a big fan of Starks and are a huge sympathizer of the outcasts like Theon and Jon) but then Bran probably sends his vision of Littlefinger to Sansa via the godswood which will cause Sansa to become more suspicion of Littlefinger and investigate more to gather more incriminating evidence about him. Then we will go to trial with the evidence of Littlefinger’s treason (like contacting with Cersei/Faegon to subjugate Winterfell under the Lannisters/Blackfyres) then possibly a trial by combat or the combat won’t happen and we go to the execution right away. Like in the show but with a better execution. Sansa will not go to the deep end like Dany. Her executing Littlefinger and sparing Jon will complete her character arc of finally embracing the Northern identity after being stuck in the pits of Vipers in the south for so long and she will help Jon prepare for the Long Night and Northern independence.
I agree with you on the Sansa-Littlefinger plot. But on the Dany-Tyrion one I don't hahaha. First, I see it almost impossible for Tyrion to kill Dany (neither Jon) because basically Dany's fate is sealed at the Battle for Dawn, because of her starring role along with Jon in the books (Jon-Ice, Dany-Fire: They're both Song of Ice and Fire). Second, Tyrion's arc is one that parallels his sister's, the two will descend into the deepest depths of madness and darkness. Third, Tyrion will be the worst of Dany's influences, to this will be added the bad image that the people will have of her because of the publicity that Faegon will make of his “aunt”, that is, he will make her look like a monster that comes to finish everyone. This is very important in Dany's character (the most tragic of the saga) because her goal is not power, but to find the lost home (it so happens that this home is the Iron Throne as a symbol, and that is why she wants to rule) which will provoke in her the deepest darkness, saying: “Have I been enslaved, mistreated, harassed by assassins, have I had no childhood or family like others, few people have loved me for who I am without having political interests, I have never slept under a safe roof, I have wandered the world, what I have wanted has vanished, I have risked my life, I have always used power to help others, to protect children, the weak, I have used fire as something purifying, to put an end to the corruption of the world so that now the people, the weak as I was, do not want me, do not love me? I have given everything of myself to be loved, I have used fire as something purifying wanting to find my place in the world and nobody loves me... well now you will see that fire can not only be purifying, it can also be destructive.” Fourth, (I think) the bad influences of Tyrion, Faegon, Euron, and other adverse circumstances like the death of (maybe) some of the characters around her will cause (as I just said) Daenerys to cause the destruction of King's Landing and its population -though not like in the series, because to do that you need at least one dragon but a very big one, so with some big but not so big dragons, that somehow with their fire that will set fire to many structures directly connected to the subway tunnels of KL and this fire will indirectly reach all the barrels full of wildfire of the Mad King and the real Mad Queen (Cersei) replenished in the saga-. Fifth and last, this unintentional/intentional destruction will make Dany have an inner journey in which she realizes that yes she is a dragon, yes she is a queen, but she is also a child, she is a protector, the Protector of the Seven Kingdoms (remember that at this point she will already be queen, as a Targaryen must sit on the Iron Throne to lead them all against Death) which is what she has been throughout the saga. She will realize that fire as a destroyer is not good, and she will begin her arc of redemption that will culminate in the Battle for the Dawn against the Others. From her multiple dreams, revelations by third parties such as Bran, Melisandre, the Three Eyed Raven, the candles, etc. and thanks to Quaithe she will get to know the nature of the Others (the true Ice, more than Jon) and, somehow and together with Jon, she will manage to end the Long Night, sacrificing herself (both of them or just her). This would mean everything for her arc: giving her own life so that the weak can live it.That is the character of Daenerys. To this you add that Dany's plot is cyclical: She has to be using her power to end corruption, at first with slavery, as the Good Masters enslave a large part of the population, the weak. This must be repeated to put an end to her character: the Others would be the Good Masters, since both enslave the weak (Good Masters-living people; the Others-dead people). Somehow the Others are the result of the corruption of the Weirwood Net caused by the Children of the Forest (or even by Azor Ahai) and the Good Masters are the result of the corruption caused by the Valyrians, the first slavers and the ancestors of Daenerys (the last purely Valyrian person alive) who created that productive system and who would be destroyed once and for all by a Valyrian. All this would make sense with George as a writer, who is a rather romantic person and who likes to see life as cyclical and poetic. To sum up, it is highly unlikely that Tyrion will end up killing her, let alone for her redemption! Tyrion is a main character, but he is not a protagonist (unless he is the third head of the Dragon). Tyrion will descend into the deepest darkness and perhaps return to the light, but not in that way. It wouldn't make plot sense for his character nor would it make plot sense for Dany's character. Daenerys is the most tragic character in the saga. Sorry, too much text XD
Marwyn knows too much to ever actually reach Dany or have any kind of meaningful interaction with Tyrion. He's either going to die en route or show up, steal a dragon, and bail.
Penny's relationship with Tyrion slowly pulls him from his villainous persona (and being a slave). He won't be wholly good in WoW but he will use Tywin's ruthlessness to do more good than bad
The Manderlys had a very compelling backstory going for them in Dance. Their history with the Starks and Freys over recent events will make them pivotal in Winds.
I think Tyrion is a well written character who has played important roles but I chimp out at how many chapters he gets. Like after fleeting to Essos and being on a boat he STILL gets chapters.
Tyrian is one of my top 5 characters, and I heard that GRRM has him surviving to the end - but I'd need one major thing cleared up before I could even begin to make predictions. The only other character with heterochromia (as far as I can remember) is a Targaryen - Allyson (?) Viserys's mother... Jaeherys's daughter. This fact lends a lot of credibility to the rumors that he may be a bastard son of the Mad King. It doesn't hurt that so many Targaryens were delivered stunted, twisted, misshapen... whatever... or that he has had dragon dreams (can't tell if any of them were prophetic at this point). I'd love to see him reunite with his original love - Tysha... and, if possible, mend all the wounds there - and then eventually be awarded a lordship somewhere - maybe Summerhall? or even Haranhal? and thaat we leave this epic in a way that he and his descendants could have a bright future. Seriously, though -he did hit rock bottom and dis some really horrible things... even unforgiveable one might say. I could see him taking the Black and being tied up there until the threat of the Others is dealt with... It really helps that he treated Sansa respectfully and built the beginning of what could be a life long friendship with Jon. So... I'm most looking forward to the rest of his story.
I do think that Tyrion will be instrumental in taking Casterly Rock. Tyrion's Chekov's sewer maintenance has to lead some where, and we've already seen Dany taking one city using the sewers.
im really interested in what you think will happen with dany in winds- theres suchba distinct fanfiction vibe to how she recruits the dothraki in show canon, and im interested in what you think george is cooking for that storyline
Next I'd like to see someone we haven't heard about in a long time, like Sam or Davos, who don't have preview chapters and haven't been heard from since Feast or the first half of Dance. Whoever it is, I hope it's not Dany or one of the Starks. While doing all of the Lannisters was a great way to start, I'd like you to spread out a bit now so we still have some "major" characters left halfway through, and we don't have to end the series on Areo Hotah...
It's really hilarious that Cersei offered lands and lordship for Tyrion. Vic doesn't care about green-land lords, and if he wants lands he'll just take them. lol
Bran next, please. I've seen many discussions about his future but most seem "out of context" (for example, Bran sitting on the Iron Throne bc of the show). I really would like to hear what you have to say about his future in the books.
The only thing I'm fairly certain of is Tyrion will design a dragon saddle. TBH, I'm a little annoyed no one seems to know about them. Between the Valyrian Freehold in Essos and Targaryen rule in Westeros, there isn't a single painting, tapestry, or statue of a Valyrian riding a dragon? Much of our knowledge of how people in the past dressed and what kind of weapons and armor they used comes from paintings. Sure, you can say Daenerys in the books hasn't really had the resources and opportunity at the same time to have one built
Tyrion is slowly coming out of his abyss at the end of ADWD. That's why I don't quite agree with the Tywin-Aerys 2.0 dynamic, it could look like it against slavers and enemies but I really think they'll ultimately act as anti-parallels: Tywin-Aerys = duo of destruction. Tyrion-Daenerys = duo of reconstruction. (Add to this the already existing parallels between Jon con=Tywin and Cercei=Aerys and it's perfect)
The tv show had SO much potential with Tyrion’s character after season 4 and Dinklage probably would’ve loved the ability to challenge his own acting. If Tyrion had done half of what he did in the books vs the show he would’ve made for a character the audience wouldn’t know if they should root for considering he was a major fan favorite when the series gained popularity. I wish they would’ve kept the Tysha storyline in the show and how Tyrion and Jaime actually left things when Jaime frees him in the books because it shows his entire sense of self destroyed by his family and his entire motivation is death and destruction while still pitying himself as the poor guy who’s the villain AND the victim. He doesn’t care and that reckless cunning would’ve made the “twist” of Dark Dany in season 6/8 more interesting because Tyrion is actively trying to bring Westeros down. (Mostly his family) It’s a shame they decided to make Tyrion a naive, slow and incompetent character who’s suddenly taking Cersei at her word instead of the vengeful and spiteful man he’s become.
Moqorro will likely have to persuade Victarion that he'll need Tyrion alive and talkative. Let's face it, no way that Vic doesn't feel the urge to cut out Tyrion's tongue and drown him within five minutes of their first meeting.
Honestly baffling that they didn't do vengeful, villainous Tyrion in the show, considering that the trial confession scene was such a great moment.
Dinklebot is a drama queen and would never have stood for it.
They probably believed audiences liked him too much and wouldn't accept the turn. Also, what would/could he have done differently prior to returning to Westeros? If they hadn't killed of Barristan, he could have gone to work undercutting him to curry favor, but they needed a fight scene.
@@carlrood4457 They just kind of forgot how to write decent character and dialogue scenes.
Character development, what’s that? Maybe it’s for 8th grade book reports like themes…
No, we can't have characters outside simple good/bad division. That is too complicated for Dumb and Dumber to think of for themselves.
The show really did Tyrion dirty. His villainous turn in dance and storm really is one of the best aspects of those books
Peter Dinklage would've given an absolutely marvelous preformance if given the material in the later books.
They really turned him into a character who just says conceited lines that they could print on shirts.
@@samboggs8223 you'd have a shorter list of characters the show didn't do dirty, Theon and Jorah maybe?
Honestly I don’t see it as a villain turn, especially with penny’s influence
@@InfiniteBeak For me their treatment of Theon was one of the most offensive :(
Most of his scenes in the second half were just making fun of his castration.
Show Tyrion they try to make him this selfless guy when he honestly wants everything to burn down
I really wish we got to see Peter Dinklage play the villainous bitter Tyrion.
Tyrion as a show character was at his best when he’s back and forth against Tywin. Then the show chose to remove his brain cells away to prop up Sansa as the “smartest person Arya knows”😢
he was too good looking for the role
@@richarddecredico6098 Gwendoline Christie is also too gorgeous for Brienne and yet her character doesn’t have that much problem as Tyrion.
If he'd just had the scripts to work with, Peter could have rocked that character arc SO hard. I don't care about his height, he needs another role that does his acting skills justice stat!
So does Peter dinklage lol I can't imagine his disappointment when reading the scripts
If winds isn’t out by next year do a Ned Stark episode for April fools
Ned's bones are on a goddamn adventure.
@@AmeshaSpentaArmaiti in Bobby B's own words, they are on their way to making the eight.
@@AmeshaSpentaArmaitiR'llhor works in mysterious ways
"If winds isn’t out by next year" lol. Lmao, even
I’m new to thrones so I still have hope
I saw "The Winds of Winter is Coming..." and my heart stopped lol
He knows what hes doing, clickbait a-hole.
Same lol
Same too.
Came here to say this?
I would love a video on Sansa/Alayne next, given that her story line is going to be quite different from the show and I think the Vale storyline is heavily underrepresented in the current conversations within the fandom.
She's Tyrion's wife so there we have a direct transition too
Quinn: ‘We know for a fact that his chapters are done.’
The gardener writer: ‘Hold my rake and shovel.’
The one thing that I just noticed is that
We kinda already have a proper representation of Tyrion on TV. Something that Game of Thrones show failed to do so.
It was the story of Saul Goodman in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. He’s funny, relatable, smart but also marginalized and tragic as hell. And yet, the tragedy still didn’t excuse the crimes he commit and his character arc was wrapped up nicely.
Thats a solid character comparison
I keep thinking to myself when I see videos like these "wow I really should finish the books before watching it" forgetting that I HAVE read all the books and have been waiting for winds.
That's the feeling I had when I read the last chapter.....I want more give me more
A friend of mine gave birth to her son right about when "A Dance with Dragons" came out
He's in high school now......
It's really amazing that Aegon and Connington fell for the "invade Westeros first" plan. Potentially pissing off the teenager with dragons who you hoped to get on your side is kind of stupid on the face of it.
To be fair, Connington would have never agreed to it if it hadn't been for the greyscale. I am sure it will be the first in many irrational decisions.
The problem for Tyrion is that while his reasoning for invading Westeros is bad, there's an argument to be made it isn't actually the wrong move. We know from the Jon Con chapters that the Golden Company can't really get to Slaver's Bay as all their routes are blocked or far too dangerous to attempt. And as it turns out, the Tyrell-Lannister alliance is even more on the brink of collapse than Tyrion realises with a lot of people having an axe to grind.
It wouldn't surprise if that is part of the reason why Tyrion goes full burn it all down in Book 6/7 as he realises he essentially told Aegon how to massively strengthen his position vs. Dany's and goes to increasingly desparate lengths to cover it up.
The return of acrobatic Tyrion in Winds! Hes gonna be flipping all over the place like spiderman
Do one on Jon I feel his resurrection could really change him and lead to a lot more reckless and angry behaviour from him. There is also the chance the others resurrect him first based on the armoured in black ice which is quite interesting. Val would probably be a night’s queen as well which would be cool. Not to mention when he resurrects he will probably have red eyes and white hair making look like his farther and ghost and the red eyes would link to Stoneheart and Melisandre as they also has red eyes also like the Targaryen red as well.
Yes agreed. Unpopular take, but I could see him going down a similar route to Paul Atriedes in Dune (minus the God King stuff).
I assume that his resurrection will unlock his Targaryen madness.
And his eventual clash with Ramsay won’t be about
A heroic avenger vs A psychopath serial killer baddie like in the show but instead, it will be
An altruistic but very emotionally unstable person full of rage and trust issues vs A psychopath serial killer baddie
Then after that should be about Jon’s mini arc about coming to terms with his anger management. He might need someone else that he should let go of his anger and be focus on the actual big picture of saving the world.
That person could probably be Lady Stoneheart herself, considering that both of them got thrown into very similar situations despite hating each other. I hope Catelyn won’t end in a tragic way like getting killed by Brienne and Arya because that would mean she got betrayed over and over in any lives she lived. I hope she’s the one who finds out about Jon’s true lineage and learns to forgive him, probably even legitimize him as a king in the north via Robb’s crown that she’s carrying. Catelyn forgiving Jon and guiding Jon to the right path after he’s struggling with emotional turmoil could be a satisfying conclusion to her arc, that her one and only act of motherly love to Jon ends up saving the world.
She could also become the Nissa Nissa of the story as well. Jon might be the one to end her suffering and in the process, lighten up Longclaw and transforms it into Lightbringer.
I do already have a video on Jon’s resurrection, but I’ll cover him in this series soon as well!
@@nont18411 "unlock his Targaryen madness" you make it sound like this is an anime or something. Someone going a little crazy after being betrayed and literally killed doesnt need to have a justification like "the madness in my blood"
Jon having cosmically severe betrayal trauma is going to be interesting. His internal conflicts seemed like they were almost resolved, but this will reignite just about all of them. Something I haven't seen anybody talk about is how the way the resurrected act is based on their religion. Beric becomes a flaming sword wielding agent of R'hllor and Catelyn dresses up like a silent sister and more or less acts like the Stranger. Jon could act like some incarnation of the old gods. He could become a recluse and only venture out in the company of those he trusts most, like a wolf pack. He might kill his enemies by slashing their throats in front of heart trees and hanging their entrails on those trees. Maybe holding trial in front of the heart trees and being whispered to by Bran whether the accused is lying or not.
Martin is definitely setting up something with Jon being the 998th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Jon will probably come back from the dead, kill the 999th Lord Commander who the mutineers elect and become the 1000th and final Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.
man the dynamic between Tyrion, Dany, Barristan, Victarion, Jorah, Daario, Ben Plum, Strong Belwas, the Shave Pate and Marwyn will be the best part of the book... assuming most of them live past the first quarter of winds
I think all but Barristan and Daario will survive
We gotta see where Jon Snow's character goes in Winds, how his resurrection will work and his character after...
Oh and him professing his love for Satin as well, which is ever important.
Satin canon for Winds? 😂 love to see it lol
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I misread this as “Tywin Lannister”. You can imagine my confusion.
Lord Stoneheart theory confirmed
I can, but I won't
I think it would be great if you cover Ned Stark next. He will probably visit Jon in his pigeon form and reveal that Jon is the one who was promised. Also his future interactions with Lady Stoneheart will be very interesting to see.
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I’d like to see Brienne next; it’d pair well with the Jaime recap, and I think a lot of people don’t really remember all she was doing during Feast.
Devil's advocate, but George being done with Tyrion's chapters could just mean he dies in his third chapter...
It would also be interesting to see what Stannis awaits in Winds.
this video just singlehandedly saved my very boring lunch break, ily thanks
Love the idea of Tyrion ”adopting Victarion as a second Bronn” 😂 thanks for another solid vid! Maybe the Starks next, if we’re going house by house? Then Dany & (F)Aegon? And maybe Jon sneakily between Starks & Targs!
My personal theory about Tyrion:
Tyrion will negotiate with Aegon Blackfyre on Daenerys' behalf, but Varys convinces him to smuggle Aegon into Dragonstone, where Aegon will steal Viserion, in exchange Aegon will place Tyrion as Lord of Casterly Rock.
This will be the betrayal for gold that Daenerys will suffer, the golden dragon for the gold of Casterly Rock.
You should do Arya next, I really hope she gets a better path in the book than in the show
I’d love to see you do the next of these on Sansa/Alayne, given the complexity of the upcoming schemes around her.
i love this series! I would love to see like a combo video of a bunch of non view point characters, such as Littlefiner, Varys, etc.
As I have commented under the Jaime and Cersei’s videos I think that the taking of Casterly Rock will happen at the end of Dream, sort of like the Scouring of the Shire, but I do think Iromen will be involved, not Vic though.
I think Vic will live at least long enough to transport Daenerys forces to Westeros, there’s the foreshadowing for him to attack Claw Island and take that sweet Valyrian steel sword, but after that I think he’ll not live long enough, as soon as he encounters Euron he’s fried.
I do think that Asha and Theon will go back to the Iron Islands and swear allegiance to Dany cause she’ll have dragons and she’ll be the better candidate to defeat Euron who’ll probably have a dragon of his own by that point. So, I think that when they are going to take Casterly Rock the naval forces of the Iron Islands will be very helpful.
As for Tyrion in Winds I think he’ll be the one who’ll push Dany to go to Westeros and pursue the political battle for the throne while Moqorro will urge her to stay in the East and continue the slave liberation and Marwyn will try to push her towards the magical battle against the Others.
I am really enjoying this Winds series, I don’t know what to suggest you as the next POV, as either have suggested you could either go with blocks of families or blocks of locations.
Great video as always! Would love to see an episode on Davos soon and I am looking forward to his time on skagos. However, do whichever characters you want to do next… Another one on Jon Con would also always be wanted, but you know that 😂
I'd love a video on Brienne, who I do NOT think will die anytime soon.
Haven't watched the video yet, but I think Tyrion, now that he just wants everything to burn; he could be the catalyst that drives Dany to descend into becoming the Mad Queen if Martin choses to go down that route.
Love your content man, best ASOIAF videos on the site!
I'm just hyped to find out what the Bonifer Hasty endgame will be.
Aegon's Kingsguard?
@@ingen_nate_kenny6588 interesting take. I think he would fit with Team Daenerys but since Aegon has already reached Westeros joining him is also possible.
loving this series quinn! and love you!
Really enjoying these videos! Thank you for all the effort you’ve put into your channel!
If you’re taking suggestions, I’d love to see you take on the Greyjoys next in this series. I’m really loving all of them so far, this is awesome!
10:00 Tyrion’s story parallels Littlefinger’s story which happens at the same time as the parallel between Sansa and Dany.
I think Tyrion will tell Dany that Faegon is trying to usurp her throne by invading Westeros before joining her, even reveal Faegon’s Blackfyre lineage to provoke her even more which will cause the 2nd Dance of the Dragons/6th Blackfyre rebellion. But once Tyrion learned of the whereabouts of Tysha and the Long Night is at the horizon, this will spark his redemption arc and try his hardest to clean up his own mess, even end up killing Dany in the process. Tyrion is a redemptive character, not a tragic one.
Littlefinger, on the other hand, will go to the deep end without redemption in sight. After the Boltons are dealt with, he will poison Sansa’s mind to kill Jon (like using the same talking point as Catelyn about how Jon is like Daemon Blackfyre trying to usurp the throne from the Targaryens, which is ironic as Jon is a Targaryen, then use the evidence of Jon creating the new House Thenn or how he deserted the Night’s Watch to reclaim Winterfell as a back up point). Sansa will become paranoid and imprison Jon for desertion and order Jon to be executed, despite the protests of House Thenn (that Jon created), Ryswell and Dustin (that are not a big fan of Starks and are a huge sympathizer of the outcasts like Theon and Jon) but then Bran probably sends his vision of Littlefinger to Sansa via the godswood which will cause Sansa to become more suspicion of Littlefinger and investigate more to gather more incriminating evidence about him. Then we will go to trial with the evidence of Littlefinger’s treason (like contacting with Cersei/Faegon to subjugate Winterfell under the Lannisters/Blackfyres) then possibly a trial by combat or the combat won’t happen and we go to the execution right away.
Like in the show but with a better execution.
Sansa will not go to the deep end like Dany. Her executing Littlefinger and sparing Jon will complete her character arc of finally embracing the Northern identity after being stuck in the pits of Vipers in the south for so long and she will help Jon prepare for the Long Night and Northern independence.
i dont think tyrion knows that aegon is a blackfyre
@@craig7405 He will, eventually
I agree with you on the Sansa-Littlefinger plot. But on the Dany-Tyrion one I don't hahaha.
First, I see it almost impossible for Tyrion to kill Dany (neither Jon) because basically Dany's fate is sealed at the Battle for Dawn, because of her starring role along with Jon in the books (Jon-Ice, Dany-Fire: They're both Song of Ice and Fire).
Second, Tyrion's arc is one that parallels his sister's, the two will descend into the deepest depths of madness and darkness.
Third, Tyrion will be the worst of Dany's influences, to this will be added the bad image that the people will have of her because of the publicity that Faegon will make of his “aunt”, that is, he will make her look like a monster that comes to finish everyone. This is very important in Dany's character (the most tragic of the saga) because her goal is not power, but to find the lost home (it so happens that this home is the Iron Throne as a symbol, and that is why she wants to rule) which will provoke in her the deepest darkness, saying: “Have I been enslaved, mistreated, harassed by assassins, have I had no childhood or family like others, few people have loved me for who I am without having political interests, I have never slept under a safe roof, I have wandered the world, what I have wanted has vanished, I have risked my life, I have always used power to help others, to protect children, the weak, I have used fire as something purifying, to put an end to the corruption of the world so that now the people, the weak as I was, do not want me, do not love me? I have given everything of myself to be loved, I have used fire as something purifying wanting to find my place in the world and nobody loves me... well now you will see that fire can not only be purifying, it can also be destructive.”
Fourth, (I think) the bad influences of Tyrion, Faegon, Euron, and other adverse circumstances like the death of (maybe) some of the characters around her will cause (as I just said) Daenerys to cause the destruction of King's Landing and its population -though not like in the series, because to do that you need at least one dragon but a very big one, so with some big but not so big dragons, that somehow with their fire that will set fire to many structures directly connected to the subway tunnels of KL and this fire will indirectly reach all the barrels full of wildfire of the Mad King and the real Mad Queen (Cersei) replenished in the saga-.
Fifth and last, this unintentional/intentional destruction will make Dany have an inner journey in which she realizes that yes she is a dragon, yes she is a queen, but she is also a child, she is a protector, the Protector of the Seven Kingdoms (remember that at this point she will already be queen, as a Targaryen must sit on the Iron Throne to lead them all against Death) which is what she has been throughout the saga. She will realize that fire as a destroyer is not good, and she will begin her arc of redemption that will culminate in the Battle for the Dawn against the Others. From her multiple dreams, revelations by third parties such as Bran, Melisandre, the Three Eyed Raven, the candles, etc. and thanks to Quaithe she will get to know the nature of the Others (the true Ice, more than Jon) and, somehow and together with Jon, she will manage to end the Long Night, sacrificing herself (both of them or just her). This would mean everything for her arc: giving her own life so that the weak can live it.That is the character of Daenerys.
To this you add that Dany's plot is cyclical: She has to be using her power to end corruption, at first with slavery, as the Good Masters enslave a large part of the population, the weak. This must be repeated to put an end to her character: the Others would be the Good Masters, since both enslave the weak (Good Masters-living people; the Others-dead people). Somehow the Others are the result of the corruption of the Weirwood Net caused by the Children of the Forest (or even by Azor Ahai) and the Good Masters are the result of the corruption caused by the Valyrians, the first slavers and the ancestors of Daenerys (the last purely Valyrian person alive) who created that productive system and who would be destroyed once and for all by a Valyrian. All this would make sense with George as a writer, who is a rather romantic person and who likes to see life as cyclical and poetic.
To sum up, it is highly unlikely that Tyrion will end up killing her, let alone for her redemption! Tyrion is a main character, but he is not a protagonist (unless he is the third head of the Dragon). Tyrion will descend into the deepest darkness and perhaps return to the light, but not in that way. It wouldn't make plot sense for his character nor would it make plot sense for Dany's character. Daenerys is the most tragic character in the saga.
Sorry, too much text XD
Marwyn knows too much to ever actually reach Dany or have any kind of meaningful interaction with Tyrion. He's either going to die en route or show up, steal a dragon, and bail.
Interesting points made here; now what about the two Stark girls?
Do Sansa next!
Penny's relationship with Tyrion slowly pulls him from his villainous persona (and being a slave). He won't be wholly good in WoW but he will use Tywin's ruthlessness to do more good than bad
Do Ned Stark next. His chapters have been perfect ever since book 1 ended
Ah yes, a video on Ned Stark's role in the Winds of Winter 💀
I used his picture because he’s the one who usually says winter is coming lol
@QuinnTheGM ohhhh lmao. Absolutely love the videos you've made, cannot wait for the post-WoW release videos in the years to come
First-time reader! Just finished the first book. Can't wait to see where Rob is in Winds of Winter!
If you’re serious then I recommend not watching this until you’ve finished the other four books since you’ll be spoiled on a lot of stuff.
Another great video! Would love to see Brienne next.
The Manderlys had a very compelling backstory going for them in Dance. Their history with the Starks and Freys over recent events will make them pivotal in Winds.
I think Tyrion is a well written character who has played important roles but I chimp out at how many chapters he gets. Like after fleeting to Essos and being on a boat he STILL gets chapters.
Would love to hear about Ariane next.
I have a huge feeling they’ll announce Winds of Winter straight after the HOTD series finale, but we shall see!
Going westward to Essos? It's a bold strategy, Cotton.
If it worked for Alyssa Farman, it’ll work for Tyrion
Why did they force Jon Snow to go back to the Nights Watch? Death is the only way the vows end and he died. He has zero obligation to go back.
love your series, please write about jon snow or even the white walkers to see where they are headed in winds of winter.
Great video! Excited for Winds. Day 2 of me asking for you to talk about Bran please, please, please
Tyrian is one of my top 5 characters, and I heard that GRRM has him surviving to the end - but I'd need one major thing cleared up before I could even begin to make predictions. The only other character with heterochromia (as far as I can remember) is a Targaryen - Allyson (?) Viserys's mother... Jaeherys's daughter. This fact lends a lot of credibility to the rumors that he may be a bastard son of the Mad King. It doesn't hurt that so many Targaryens were delivered stunted, twisted, misshapen... whatever... or that he has had dragon dreams (can't tell if any of them were prophetic at this point). I'd love to see him reunite with his original love - Tysha... and, if possible, mend all the wounds there - and then eventually be awarded a lordship somewhere - maybe Summerhall? or even Haranhal? and thaat we leave this epic in a way that he and his descendants could have a bright future. Seriously, though -he did hit rock bottom and dis some really horrible things... even unforgiveable one might say. I could see him taking the Black and being tied up there until the threat of the Others is dealt with... It really helps that he treated Sansa respectfully and built the beginning of what could be a life long friendship with Jon. So... I'm most looking forward to the rest of his story.
6:26 Yezzan zo Qaggaz mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Would love to see an in depth dive on Euron :-)
The Greyjoys would be a fun gourping of POV characters to check in on next
Would love to see the North characters (characters in the north anyway) next. Jon, Bran, Davos, Theon, Asha, Melisandre.
I’d love an episode on the sand snakes and Doren
Would love to see Stannis next
Winds of Winter drops the week before Christmas 2024. You heard it here first! (Yes, I am delusional.)
Yeah nah George says no
No sorry
actually heard that from lots of people previously
@@richarddecredico6098 And they are all delusional. Must be something in the water.
You should do Joffrey next in this series. I want to see you talk about how Joffrey the Just will rise again as Azhor Ahai.
I'd like to see Brienne recap next.
I’d love to see this series cover more of the main cast of the series, like Dany or Jon
I hesitate to read the TWOW sample chapters, since GRRM tends to go back & rewrite multiple times before he completes the final book.
I do think that Tyrion will be instrumental in taking Casterly Rock. Tyrion's Chekov's sewer maintenance has to lead some where, and we've already seen Dany taking one city using the sewers.
Hearing everyone rip on the tyrion tv adaptation is what got me to read the books and I gotta say they did my boy dirty
I would like to see Sansa/Alayne next, and if no Ashford Tourney theory is mentioned I'll be sad.
Regarding "who next" I guess the other "main characters" of Jon and Dany would be fine choices.
God yes, Tyrion and Victarion must have a few chapters together.
im really interested in what you think will happen with dany in winds- theres suchba distinct fanfiction vibe to how she recruits the dothraki in show canon, and im interested in what you think george is cooking for that storyline
Next I'd like to see someone we haven't heard about in a long time, like Sam or Davos, who don't have preview chapters and haven't been heard from since Feast or the first half of Dance. Whoever it is, I hope it's not Dany or one of the Starks. While doing all of the Lannisters was a great way to start, I'd like you to spread out a bit now so we still have some "major" characters left halfway through, and we don't have to end the series on Areo Hotah...
It's really hilarious that Cersei offered lands and lordship for Tyrion. Vic doesn't care about green-land lords, and if he wants lands he'll just take them. lol
Also theory: the mountain had Ned’s head sown onto his body to make up for his lack of a head
Ned's head was rotting on the walls and had no chance of being used
@@richarddecredico6098 ahh but the mountains visor is described as filled with black blood in a vision and wasn’t eddards head covered with tar
I mean it’s still completely ridiculous, but funny
It should have been Robb’s head.
“Robert (Robb) Strong (Stark)”
I can't wait for Danny and Cersei to meet ❤️
Areo Hotah next!! (Or Sansa or Asha)
Tyrion is the Mad Kings son and will fly the gold dragon.
I'll believe when I read it.
At this rate, the sun will swallow the planet before we get "Winds of Winter".
Bran next, please. I've seen many discussions about his future but most seem "out of context" (for example, Bran sitting on the Iron Throne bc of the show). I really would like to hear what you have to say about his future in the books.
I’d suggest doing the Greyjoy family next!
Do Ned Stark next. Can’t wait to see what he gets up to in Winds.
UA-cam has gotten rid of free audiobooks of asoiaf. I can only think why
Some free audiobooks
The only thing I'm fairly certain of is Tyrion will design a dragon saddle. TBH, I'm a little annoyed no one seems to know about them. Between the Valyrian Freehold in Essos and Targaryen rule in Westeros, there isn't a single painting, tapestry, or statue of a Valyrian riding a dragon?
Much of our knowledge of how people in the past dressed and what kind of weapons and armor they used comes from paintings. Sure, you can say Daenerys in the books hasn't really had the resources and opportunity at the same time to have one built
I'd like to see some videos on the Starks next. I know Sansa's storyline will be especially different than her show counterpart.
Amazing video! Please do Theon Greyjoy.
Tyrion is slowly coming out of his abyss at the end of ADWD. That's why I don't quite agree with the Tywin-Aerys 2.0 dynamic, it could look like it against slavers and enemies but I really think they'll ultimately act as anti-parallels:
Tywin-Aerys = duo of destruction.
Tyrion-Daenerys = duo of reconstruction.
(Add to this the already existing parallels between Jon con=Tywin and Cercei=Aerys and it's perfect)
10:23 dance of dragons 2 ? Daenerys the cruel and Aegon VI the crowned ?
The tv show had SO much potential with Tyrion’s character after season 4 and Dinklage probably would’ve loved the ability to challenge his own acting. If Tyrion had done half of what he did in the books vs the show he would’ve made for a character the audience wouldn’t know if they should root for considering he was a major fan favorite when the series gained popularity.
I wish they would’ve kept the Tysha storyline in the show and how Tyrion and Jaime actually left things when Jaime frees him in the books because it shows his entire sense of self destroyed by his family and his entire motivation is death and destruction while still pitying himself as the poor guy who’s the villain AND the victim. He doesn’t care and that reckless cunning would’ve made the “twist” of Dark Dany in season 6/8 more interesting because Tyrion is actively trying to bring Westeros down. (Mostly his family)
It’s a shame they decided to make Tyrion a naive, slow and incompetent character who’s suddenly taking Cersei at her word instead of the vengeful and spiteful man he’s become.
Having recently read Dune for the first time, were Yezzan Zo Qaggaz and Nurse a reference to Baron Harkonnen and Piter De Vries?
Sansa is the one I'm waiting to see next 👍🏼✨
Great video as always! I’d love to see Sansa Stark next.
Next all the starks kids :D
Can’t wait for the Winds of Winter comes for Ned Stark!
I love S4 and see it as the best season, but WHY IN THE HELL WOULD THEY CUT OUT THE TYSHA ADMISSION!!!!
JON SNOW! CORN! KING! SNOW!
New POV recommendation would be, Sam 😅
Moqorro will likely have to persuade Victarion that he'll need Tyrion alive and talkative. Let's face it, no way that Vic doesn't feel the urge to cut out Tyrion's tongue and drown him within five minutes of their first meeting.
Sansa or Brienne next would be nice
I think you should do one on dany and then jon and the starks next
I think that GRRM saying he’s done writing Tyrion, means that Tyrion is going to die in Mereen.