@@antihmota4625only for people who’ve re-read the series so many times they’ve talked themselves into liking stuff they otherwise wouldn’t have. Which to be fair is a lot of us
@@KingOfWinterto be extra fair, there are plenty of times rereads can help you realize something is much better than initially thought or much worse. With Martin I'd say it's definitely the former for the most part.
Here for the unapologetic placement of Cersei in top 2. 100% agree that she is the most fun character and easily the main reason I want Winds of Winter. I need to see where this train crash goes.
I somehow knew she'd end up at #2, because we all knew who'd take the top spot. Once on board Cersei's crazy train, I never want to get off. Er... maybe that could have been better worded.
Only 14 years of nothing can explain why Cersei chapters have become so beloved. When overanalyzing asoiaf has become such a tragicomedy, Cersei's chapters fit right in. If we analyse it as part of it's own world, tho, it becomes ridiculous. Chapters of the office inside a Breaking Bad novela. Not bad on themselves, but completely out of place.
@novedad4468that's why a lot say they work so well. The way it's so unique compared to the rest makes it hit so much harder. Also to be fair to Quinn on his take, he read the series much later than a lot of others BUT STILL puts Cersei in the top 2. You can't really call that overanalyzing if he didn't spend too much time doing so anyway.
Davos is a top tier viewpoint for me simply because of the events and characters that surround him, I always lock in when I’m reading one of his chapters.
I remember reading AGOT for the first time and I was struck by the attention to detail with how the Stark kids think about their direwolf names. Arya thinks of Nymeria as a proud model to look up to, but Bran thinks “Arya had named hers after some old witch from the songs”
Michael Scott could have run the realm better than Cersei. Michael would have his Master of Coin painstakingly explain to him for several hours how to pay back the Iron Bank while Cersei literally just waved him off entirely
Fun fact when you got down to number 4 I thought about who the remaining 3 were and I was racking my brains about it for ages because I genuinely forgot JonCon exists. I will now accept my ban with Grace and Dignity.
Whenever we get a viewpoint chapter from someone like Aerys Oakheart or Melisandre-when it could be an Arianne or Jon chapter instead-it means you have to read the chapter especially carefully bc there is critical information hidden in the thoughts of the viewpoint character that only they know, that we wouldn’t get if Arianne were the viewpoint. In Aerys case, the clues are hidden there that he swapped Myrcella with her cousin!!! -A Theory of Ice & Fire on quora
Quinn, you once again display your excellent skill for meta-narrative analysis, your very perceptive eye for George's prose and all of the careful and meticulous consideration he puts into his style and sentence structure, and your overall sophisticated taste in writing with an eye for all of the unique and interesting things happening in the ASOIAF series. All of this to say, you have very little in common with the average ASOIAF reader lol
The Griffon Reborn is pretty great, and the chapter where he announces fAegon’s identity to the Golden Company only to realize they already knew (and unbeknownst to him know he’s also a Blackfyre) is hilarious
I will never stop defending Davos' chapter on the Sisters. The chapter gives me extreme Witcher books vibes. Godric Borrell is such a Sapkowskiesque character. The whole Sisters are such Sapkowskiesque place to be honest.
I like how it shows the ripple effects of Tywin's death, with Davos only being spared because the Lannister position seems weakened. It also gives us another instance of Ned (and Davos) being more shrewd and not entirely honest with the whole pretending to have never been here bit. Plus the three sisters are the most notable part of the map that we had not gotten anything on before.
i feel like Theon is for me what JonCon is for you, his character and his arc simply scratch something in my brain that needs to be scratched. one of the best characters in fiction (that i've ever saw atleast) and not talked about enough despite being considered one of the best on the series. That man deserves the same praise as Tyrion or Jaime!!
Catelyn is so underrated (and overhated) in the fandom, her viewpoint is honestly my favourite. Her POV is so integral, especially in the early books as she gives most of the lore and worldbuilding. She is the most important character for a first time reader.
I finished it for the first time about a month ago after starting reading the series about 10 years ago, feels weird not having an ASoIaF book to read (tho I still have 3 Winds chapters to read, the Dunk and Egg books, and Fire and Blood).
As someone who has only finished AGOT and thus only been exposed to Sansa, Tyrion, Eddard, Catelyn, Arya, Jon, and Bran, every time I would flip to the next page and see "Eddard" or "Catelyn," it was like a breath of fresh air. Even though I didn't particularly care for Catelyn as a character, her chapters always seemed to leave me satisfied. That and of course Ned's chapters were the central plot of the book, so those two hold a special place in my heart
Catelyn's chapters were my favorite as well. I don't exactly know how to describe why I like them so much, but the closest thing I can think of is "emotional intelligence." She has this interesting mix of introspection and perceptiveness of others, the latter of which I think Jaime picks up in the last two books.
You monster! Arya’s are my favorite chapters too-and by a wide margin. I’ve reread her chapters (and only her chapters) in Clash through more than any others in the story. It’s Martin at his best. Arya is the most like the hobbits in The Lord of the Rings, and her chapters hide the most allusions and plot points reimagined from Tolkien. I appreciate this as a huge Tolkien fan, but it’s not even one of the primary reasons I love her chapters so much. Her mind is just so delightful to be in and so well written for a girl her age. We get the most clues as to what Lyanna was like and what really went down with Lyanna and Rhaegar in her chapters. We get the horrors of war. We get clues about the magic in her chapters and about the magic of Winterfell when she is in Harrenhal. Jaqen is just a fascinating character. The most interesting non-viewpoint character in the series. Can you really call yourself a fan of the series if you don’t appreciate Arya’s chapters??? ;)
I feel like i mostly agree with this list. I actually totally agree with the davos thing -- on re-reads its much lest impactful I think. I still love him but its true. I would put sansa as first and cersei as a very close second. I think Sansa has such growth throughout the series and its super sad to read. She really is ned starks legacy and everyone thinks she is just like Cat when really that's Arya. Great Vid!!!
Arya only spends like five chapters in the river lands in ACOK before she gets taken to Harrenhal, and those chapters (esp 4 and 5) are some of the best chapters in that book. I don’t see how you could characterise it as rambling!!!
@ I agree somewhat, I hate his Dance chapters even worse than Quentyn's, but I think the good far outweighs the bad. I would've at least switched him with Daenerys.
I just noticed something... Lord Jon Con and Littlefinger are the same. Both of them loved someone who is dead and transferred that love to their childrens...
Quinn's video quality just keeps improving with each video. quickly becoming one of my favorite creators in the asoiaf community. which makes me feel really conflicted because almost every single one of his takes are just absolutely atrocious. how can you be so good at starting engaging and civil conversations, but so bad at having rational opinions?
Frequent times while I was reading AFFC I would say to myself "one more chapter then I'm going to bed," only to upon finishing that chapter see the next one was a Cersei chapter, and I'd have to keep reading. Cersei is my top 5 for sure.
Great vid, it's not about quantity but quality of writing for each character, I do admit for me some of the "main characters" so get more chapters but sometimes they feel like it drags on sometimes even if it isn't considered filler
My favorite POV's actually change from book to book. The characters go through such dynamic and compelling arcs in each book, I couldn't stick with one favorite through all the books. In AGOT my favorite POV's were Tyrion, Ned, and Jon. In ACOK my favorites were Tyrion, Theon and Arya. In ASOS it's Jon, Cateyln and Sam. In AFFC it's Cersei, Jamie and Victarion. And in ADWD my favorites are Jon, Tyrion and Bran.
Jon Connington mentionned in a Quinn the GM video, who could've guessed? In all seriousness, I totally agree with your comments on Barristan's chapters, The Kingbreaker is my favorite chapter in ADWD and after I finished the fifth book, I was surprised to see that it's rarely cited as one of the best of Dance. I also love Dany's arc in the last published book so far and I think her best character moments happen in that book.
While I definitely agree that the chapters of Arya traipsing through the riverlands were redundant and could have been condensed, her chapters in Harrenhal are some of the best in the book
Quinn: This is gonna be the most controversial on the list. Me: Do people really get mad about arbitrary tier rankings on youtube? Quinn: Fifteenth is Davos Seaworth. Me: YOU ****ING MONSTER!!! I'm kidding. Mostly. *whispers* You ****ing monster.
I LOVE Dany's chapters in ADWD, probably my favorite arc, next to Theon ADWD and Cersei AFFC, I don't understand why people don't like them, it's everything that makes the series great, a lot of intrigue, political drama, internal conflict, moral ambiguity and it ends with two of the best chapters, one full of action and dragon riding and one last chapter about introspection and prophecy and visions with the climax being "FIRE AND BLOOD". Thematically probably one of Martin's best work, I'm sure he's proud of those chapters. What's not to love?
People disliked it because the series is not done and probably won't ever be done. If winds of winter and dream of springs had come out in a reasonable time frame, people would like Dany's arc in Dance.
Victarion became my favorite POV in his Arc in Feast/Dance,Theon's arc as Reek is legitimately top tier,and Davos's arc in Dance is filled with amazing Moments from his treating with Lord of The Three Sisters,to being in Manderlys court,and finally his time in the white harbor prison. The lost lord is legitimately such a great chapter once we see the Captains/Generals meeting.
I for one am looking forward to Winter is Coming for Areo Hotah! Dorne plotline is super interesting and I think Areo’s perspective is cool since he’s not westerosi!
i want you to revise every single point you made and then make another video including prologues and epilogues (so you can admit that Kevan the Cool is the best viewpoint in the series)
I think it's safe to say that the Lannister twins' chapters are hands down the funniest to read. I hardly ever laughed while reading, even if it's comic or manga, but Jaime and Cersei's inner monologue got me chuckling genuinely a lot
I was traveling on a bus and listening to the chapter where Tyrion and Penny do the jousting on the ship. Maybe it's because of Roy's performance, but the conversation between Tyrion and Jorah had me laughing so hard that everyone on the bus was giving me dirty looks. That alone makes that chapter top 5 to me.
Ser Davos Seaworth is the best PoV in ASoIaF. Here's the best man, and even his slow chapters have really great worldbuilding that i would mourn if we lost. The reaction of the Lord of the Sisters island shows that the perception of Stannis cause is still seen as not hopeless as he gambles on Davos making through to convince Manderly.
I will say for me Theon’s chapters get the ‘most improved’ between his showings in Clash vs. Dance. The Clash chapters were sometimes rough reads for me, as of everyone Theon is the most likely to descend into casual misogyny of the whole cast (honestly an impressive feat considering some of the competition). That’s not to say it goes away in Dance, its just not exactly his main thing besides the inferiority complex anymore so its a lot more tolerable.
It occurs to me that good final comeuppance for Cersei would be meeting Arienne and finally grasping what a clever political schemer with the potential to build grandly on her father's successes actually looks like. My faves: Sansa and Arya. Brilliant world-builders.
I understand your point on some of the meandering chapters (Bran, Arya, Brienne), however I do think that they are important for pace setting as they slow things down and help keep a bit of sense that not everything can happen at once as some things take time (a bit like this point to be fair! 🤦)
Everyone's gonna have their rankings so I'd rather just respond to your general thoughts on each character than quibble about the order. 24/22. I think it's kind of weird to include Mel and Arys but not the prologues and epilogues, especially when some of those characters, namely Cressen, Kevan, and Varamyr, are far more fleshed out as characters than Arys in particular, but what you say about them is fair. 23. Really don't get the Windblown hate, because I see it from other people too and I think that's way off the mark and easily Quentyn's second best chapter. It's a great subversion of the climactic battle trope by skipping straight to the PTSD that follows, and I think that's really interesting. I agree Quentyn is very hit or miss but when I try to take a more macro perspective on how each chapter contributes to his overall arc I find he's a lot more enjoyable. 21. I just really think you're underrating The Captain of the Guards here. That chapter takes on a lot of responsibility for introducing characters and settings, and there's a lot of great symbolism about who Doran is. And then there's the final beat of the chapter where Doran orders the arrest of the Sand Snakes and when Areo protests that people will hate him for it he says fuck the haters, iconic scene for me. 20. Ironically I think Asha dodges a lot of the same criticism Hotah tends to get. She's decently interesting in theory and I like her first couple chapters but once she ends up with Stannis she feels like a way more egregious camera that rides since her chapters just randomly get co-opted to become the Stannis POV. They're great chapters, I love Stannis, but Asha not really being the main character of her own chapters is more disappointing to me than for Hotah since she actually is an interesting character that we're being deprived of. 19/17. Can't really speak on these, I haven't read any of the TWOW chapters and your analysis feels like it can't be divorced from that. I hate Aeron, and I think Arianne is ok. 18. Huge disagree, both on Sam's inner monologue being annoying, and on him not undergoing significant development. Storm and Feast both take him through similar arcs where he develops some courage at the end but in the former it's about realizing his own value as a person, and with the latter it's about letting go of the ideal he once thought he had to strive for, embodied in part by his father but also mainly by Jon Snow. 16. I think Bran's arcs in Game and Clash are super underrated, they really feel like a step ahead to the more introspective writing approach George tends to employ later in the series, so while they can feel like a break in pacing at times, particularly in Clash and Storm, I think they're really valuable. Also love what you say about Bran in the intro with the more simplistic language in these chapters, it's a neat touch. 15. Kind of agree? I think Davos is top tier in Storm and generally not that in Clash and Dance, but I actually still really like his Dance chapters. Davos is the original camera that rides as Stannis was once intended to be a POV character before George decided against that, and Dance serves as an interesting exercise where now we get a look at who Davos is when he's not around Stannis. You get a real sense of his love for the sea, but unlike a lot of other older characters, Davos doesn't seem that conflicted about having lost this part of his youth, it's just very nostalgic for him and that leads to a lot of really beautiful scene descriptions. 14. Pretty much agree, but I do really love Arya's Clash arc, particularly hearing all the Beric Dondarrion rumors, and later getting an outside-looking in perspective on Roose Bolton's betrayal of Robb. I love the way GRRM makes use of word-of-mouth information in his worldbuilding, it gives the reader a similar challenge to the characters of trying to piece together fragmented rumors to get at the truth and Arya gets a lot of that in Clash and Storm. 13. Yeah, pretty true. I'm rereading AGOT right now and it's a great book for sure but I think the writing style being so cut and dry at times is what's gonna finally sell me on it being the weakest ASOIAF book, which is crazy because I used to think it was the best. 12. Sorry, I don't like Barristan very much. He's just if Ned was 40 years older and a virgin and instead of having a big secret he hides from the world he's an open book and hardly offers insight into anything despite how long he's been around. 11. I don't know if I'm weird for this but I've come to find Tyrion kind of repetitive because of the things you talk about here. Everywhere he goes he just gets so indignant at everyone and thinks he's so much smarter than everyone. He's a good character but I think I often like him better when he's in other characters' chapters than being inside his own head, though he of course does have some bangers, mainly his last few chapters in each of Clash and Storm. 10. Really agree with what you say about Dany in Dance, I think that's her best arc too. I do quite like her Clash arc though, particularly her first chapter in the lost city she names Vaes Tolorro. Just kind of a vibe thing for me, but she's good. 9. I do agree Jon gets better with each entry in the series, but I think you're underrating his Clash arc. The end of it when he first wargs Ghost and sees Bran in a tree is rad, and I don't really see the issue with pacing for him or Dany, as they both don't have a lot of chapters in Clash. 8. I mean it's a meme pick. Love Victarion but I just can't give up the serious angle so I wouldn't put him over any of the big 3, Arya, or Sam. 7. I think I might just have what you have for JonCon with Brienne, I love a coming of age character like nothing else and her lamentation of how she's not the daughter her father deserves absolutely destroys me every time. Totally understand people finding her boring at times but Brienne V-VII are probably the best 3 chapter run for any character in the series to me and the rest of her chapters are also excellent, it's just that those 3 are probably all in my top 10. 6/5. I kind of go back and forth on Cat and Sansa so I'm lumping them together here, just think they're a really good example of the best of GRRM writing women, and I also just feel compelled to sympathize with them as compensation for their haters. 4. I mean yeah, Jaime is everyone's favorite for a reason, everyone has something they can like about him and despite not really having any indication of this inner depth during AGOT, GRRM does a great job soft-launching the direction for Jaime going forward in ACOK Catelyn VII. 3. Reek arc deserves all the praise it gets, though I have to admit for me all the details and complex parts kind of numb my brain when reading his later Dance chapters. 3rd is a bit high for me just because I don't really like Theon as a character all that much, but you can't deny how good his arcs in both Clash and Dance are. 2. I really need to pay attention for Cersei IV on my next read because I like Cersei but I don't know that I find her as hilarious as all that you talk about here. 1. Meme pick again, but far be it from me to judge you for favoritism when we all do that.
Jon Con #1 is hilarious lol. It's your list, fair enough. Sansa would be where you put Sam for me, I can't stand reading her, but interesting stuff happens with her.
I think Jon in the first two books is great the first time through, but if you are rereading it's not as fun since we already know the Watch and what's Beyond the Wall. But for a first time reader the Night's Watch is very entertaining and gripping military fiction. Jon's return to the Watch and dressing down by Mormont is one of the best chapters in the book and sets up the series in an amazing way. Craster and the Fist are also great and give massive insights into the Others.
I love how we can all come together as a community to disagree with every point here
Nah, its very valid list
@@eiran_o_ddwywent riot!!!
Jp, stop doing that people.
@@antihmota4625only for people who’ve re-read the series so many times they’ve talked themselves into liking stuff they otherwise wouldn’t have. Which to be fair is a lot of us
@@KingOfWinter would you re-read a whole series many times that you don't like very much in the first place?
@@KingOfWinterto be extra fair, there are plenty of times rereads can help you realize something is much better than initially thought or much worse. With Martin I'd say it's definitely the former for the most part.
My favorite POVs are easily Cersei, Jaime, and Theon.
Reek, it rhymes with PEAK
100% rhymes with peak, I loved him before but his stuff in Dance is easily a high point of the whole series. Also agree Jaime and Cersei are top tier.
Here for the unapologetic placement of Cersei in top 2. 100% agree that she is the most fun character and easily the main reason I want Winds of Winter. I need to see where this train crash goes.
I somehow knew she'd end up at #2, because we all knew who'd take the top spot.
Once on board Cersei's crazy train, I never want to get off. Er... maybe that could have been better worded.
@@thing_under_the_stairs naw daw, I'd ride that train too, no shame
Only 14 years of nothing can explain why Cersei chapters have become so beloved. When overanalyzing asoiaf has become such a tragicomedy, Cersei's chapters fit right in. If we analyse it as part of it's own world, tho, it becomes ridiculous. Chapters of the office inside a Breaking Bad novela. Not bad on themselves, but completely out of place.
Sorry, but you won´t ever see where this train crash goes.
@novedad4468that's why a lot say they work so well. The way it's so unique compared to the rest makes it hit so much harder.
Also to be fair to Quinn on his take, he read the series much later than a lot of others BUT STILL puts Cersei in the top 2. You can't really call that overanalyzing if he didn't spend too much time doing so anyway.
Davos is a top tier viewpoint for me simply because of the events and characters that surround him, I always lock in when I’m reading one of his chapters.
I remember reading AGOT for the first time and I was struck by the attention to detail with how the Stark kids think about their direwolf names. Arya thinks of Nymeria as a proud model to look up to, but Bran thinks “Arya had named hers after some old witch from the songs”
Cersei’s chapters remind me of The Office. She’s essentially the Michael Scott of King’s Landing
Michael Scott could have run the realm better than Cersei. Michael would have his Master of Coin painstakingly explain to him for several hours how to pay back the Iron Bank while Cersei literally just waved him off entirely
Which is exactly why she's horrible
I. DECLARE. REGENCY!!!
@ Tywin: I feel like all my kids grew up and then they married each other. It's every parent's dream
@@Midnightsstan521 LOL
I can't believe you didn't rank Asha higher - it's through her viewpoint we get to witness the majesty of Qarl the Maid.
Rewriting the list now
Thank you, my mainest man.
My beautiful twink king
You did davos dirty.
You can’t possibly know this the video went up 90 seconds ago
We are so devoted to our beloved Onion Knight that we know before watching @@QuinnTheGM
@@QuinnTheGM I mean he ain’t wrong tho
Wow , they called it
@@QuinnTheGM you only need twenty seconds to scroll through the ranking 😊
I already know who is number one
Edit: I was right.
I think anyone who’s seen any of Quinn’s content would have been able to guess tbh
JonCon isn't bad. Not my personal favorite but Victarion isn't most people's number 1 either.
It's why ASOIAF is so great. Something for everyone
Fun fact when you got down to number 4 I thought about who the remaining 3 were and I was racking my brains about it for ages because I genuinely forgot JonCon exists.
I will now accept my ban with Grace and Dignity.
ACOK Theon is really underrated. I love his conflict and his dreams and that last chapter. Jaime and Theon are my top two.
Last Theon chapter is pure dread 😂😂
hehe cok
One of the things I really like about this community is how varied everyones opinions are.
Whenever we get a viewpoint chapter from someone like Aerys Oakheart or Melisandre-when it could be an Arianne or Jon chapter instead-it means you have to read the chapter especially carefully bc there is critical information hidden in the thoughts of the viewpoint character that only they know, that we wouldn’t get if Arianne were the viewpoint. In Aerys case, the clues are hidden there that he swapped Myrcella with her cousin!!!
-A Theory of Ice & Fire on quora
Don’t worry Quinn, I will rally all my friends to bump up the views on the winter comes for Areo Hotah video. I got you bro
Quinn: jon connington is smart
Varys: you sure about that?
What a nice video I’m sure this won’t cause immense controversy no matter where you place who
Quinn, you once again display your excellent skill for meta-narrative analysis, your very perceptive eye for George's prose and all of the careful and meticulous consideration he puts into his style and sentence structure, and your overall sophisticated taste in writing with an eye for all of the unique and interesting things happening in the ASOIAF series.
All of this to say, you have very little in common with the average ASOIAF reader lol
I knew u loved Jon con. But him being number 1 surprised me. Such a diva 😭
The Griffon Reborn is pretty great, and the chapter where he announces fAegon’s identity to the Golden Company only to realize they already knew (and unbeknownst to him know he’s also a Blackfyre) is hilarious
I will never stop defending Davos' chapter on the Sisters. The chapter gives me extreme Witcher books vibes. Godric Borrell is such a Sapkowskiesque character. The whole Sisters are such Sapkowskiesque place to be honest.
I love that chapter and the chapter after it. Just seems like pretty good world building.
I like how it shows the ripple effects of Tywin's death, with Davos only being spared because the Lannister position seems weakened. It also gives us another instance of Ned (and Davos) being more shrewd and not entirely honest with the whole pretending to have never been here bit.
Plus the three sisters are the most notable part of the map that we had not gotten anything on before.
I love that chapter!
You should rank prologues and epilogues next
Asha at number 20 is crazy. Her Dance chapters are fantastic.
Oooh, easily gonna be best video of the day for me. And yea, the Red Wedding and Bath Scene immediately put Jamie and Catelyn in the Top 5
arya in clash is amazing
Tyrion at 11 is CRAZY
His stuff in Dance is SOOOO slow and boring
Not really, I think Tyrion is a bit overrated. And book 5 is mostly a chore to read his chapters.
@@Real_Sp00ksI enjoyed reading about his time on the Shy Maid and the last few chapters where he's enslaved/escapes to the second sons
Not really. He was mind numbingly boring in half of Dance.
Tyrion is really good but I honestly feel like he can't compete with other characters, I would've put him even further down
arya 14 is the most egregious placement. love ya quinn
We need to spread the pro Davos Agenda
i feel like Theon is for me what JonCon is for you, his character and his arc simply scratch something in my brain that needs to be scratched. one of the best characters in fiction (that i've ever saw atleast) and not talked about enough despite being considered one of the best on the series. That man deserves the same praise as Tyrion or Jaime!!
Catelyn is so underrated (and overhated) in the fandom, her viewpoint is honestly my favourite. Her POV is so integral, especially in the early books as she gives most of the lore and worldbuilding. She is the most important character for a first time reader.
I finished ADWD for the first time in my life yesterday and i am NOT ready for the wait
Welcome to the club
I finished it for the first time about a month ago after starting reading the series about 10 years ago, feels weird not having an ASoIaF book to read (tho I still have 3 Winds chapters to read, the Dunk and Egg books, and Fire and Blood).
I was brought joy by the sight of Samwell so low, i fucking hate his Pov
I will be one of the 800 to watch the Areo Hotah Winds video
Arys Oakheart: this chapter could have been an email.
Fantastic video, I love your perspective and reasoning behind each pick. That being said,
You WRONG AF ☠️
You should rank prologues and epilogues later on! Your opinions on that would be really interesting
Please do an prologue/epilog-ranking, im so interested at your take of the feast opening
As someone who has only finished AGOT and thus only been exposed to Sansa, Tyrion, Eddard, Catelyn, Arya, Jon, and Bran, every time I would flip to the next page and see "Eddard" or "Catelyn," it was like a breath of fresh air. Even though I didn't particularly care for Catelyn as a character, her chapters always seemed to leave me satisfied. That and of course Ned's chapters were the central plot of the book, so those two hold a special place in my heart
Catelyn's chapters were my favorite as well. I don't exactly know how to describe why I like them so much, but the closest thing I can think of is "emotional intelligence." She has this interesting mix of introspection and perceptiveness of others, the latter of which I think Jaime picks up in the last two books.
You monster! Arya’s are my favorite chapters too-and by a wide margin. I’ve reread her chapters (and only her chapters) in Clash through more than any others in the story. It’s Martin at his best.
Arya is the most like the hobbits in The Lord of the Rings, and her chapters hide the most allusions and plot points reimagined from Tolkien. I appreciate this as a huge Tolkien fan, but it’s not even one of the primary reasons I love her chapters so much. Her mind is just so delightful to be in and so well written for a girl her age. We get the most clues as to what Lyanna was like and what really went down with Lyanna and Rhaegar in her chapters. We get the horrors of war. We get clues about the magic in her chapters and about the magic of Winterfell when she is in Harrenhal. Jaqen is just a fascinating character. The most interesting non-viewpoint character in the series.
Can you really call yourself a fan of the series if you don’t appreciate Arya’s chapters??? ;)
I love how I could totally have guessed all of these based on your videos EXCEPT DAVOS
After his conversation with Theinterestingnerd club I'm convinced Quinn hasn't actually read Brans chapters in like 8 years
I was not ready for that Davos ranking, like a couple spots before I went “hmm how would I rank them…Davos would probably be pretty high”
SAME. I also think Davos I and II in ADWD are great world building.
@ exactly and his interactions with Stannis are great, as well as just his perspective on everything, also the north remembers, like hello?
I feel like i mostly agree with this list. I actually totally agree with the davos thing -- on re-reads its much lest impactful I think. I still love him but its true. I would put sansa as first and cersei as a very close second. I think Sansa has such growth throughout the series and its super sad to read. She really is ned starks legacy and everyone thinks she is just like Cat when really that's Arya. Great Vid!!!
Arya only spends like five chapters in the river lands in ACOK before she gets taken to Harrenhal, and those chapters (esp 4 and 5) are some of the best chapters in that book. I don’t see how you could characterise it as rambling!!!
There’s a lot of hate for the Arya “walking” chapters but to me they’re awesome and Yoren is a great minor character
I was waiting for you to reveal the actual no. 11 but wow. His last two chapters in Storm alone should put him in the top 10.
He's HEAVILY weighed down by me not really caring for his chapters in especially Dance and a little bit in AGOT
@ I agree somewhat, I hate his Dance chapters even worse than Quentyn's, but I think the good far outweighs the bad. I would've at least switched him with Daenerys.
I just noticed something... Lord Jon Con and Littlefinger are the same. Both of them loved someone who is dead and transferred that love to their childrens...
I loved Aries Oakheart chapter, I liked him, I too would have died for a dorneish cutie
So before I watch, Jon Con is number 1 right? 😂
I loved the video , not going to argue about placement of characters it’s obviously objectively correct ✅
My favorite POV is the one I currently have, watching a Quinn The GM video.
All of my fantasy football teams are named after the onion knight ! But you have him placed perfectly and I totally agree
Quinn's video quality just keeps improving with each video. quickly becoming one of my favorite creators in the asoiaf community. which makes me feel really conflicted because almost every single one of his takes are just absolutely atrocious. how can you be so good at starting engaging and civil conversations, but so bad at having rational opinions?
Outside of my placements in this video, what opinions of mine don’t you like?
Frequent times while I was reading AFFC I would say to myself "one more chapter then I'm going to bed," only to upon finishing that chapter see the next one was a Cersei chapter, and I'd have to keep reading. Cersei is my top 5 for sure.
Tyrion at 11 is crazy
my list would be very different but i respect your opinions, keep up the good work quinn 🙏
That's right Sansa does have best chapters ☺️
me seeing joncon earn the top spot as he deserves in real time was awesome
I'm so excited for this.
Ser Aerys " Could've Been An Email" Oakheart
I disagree with the order of a lot of the list, but get why you put them there and had a fun time
Great vid, it's not about quantity but quality of writing for each character, I do admit for me some of the "main characters" so get more chapters but sometimes they feel like it drags on sometimes even if it isn't considered filler
I actually agree with you on davos, his chapters lose value on rereads whereas other character POVs gain value from it
ARYA AT 14!!
Dishonor on you!
Dishonor on your cow!
Dis...
Victarion Greyjoy is my favorite viewpoint character, and my favorite character in the series.
Camera Man Hotah is the goat.
My favorite POV's actually change from book to book. The characters go through such dynamic and compelling arcs in each book, I couldn't stick with one favorite through all the books.
In AGOT my favorite POV's were Tyrion, Ned, and Jon.
In ACOK my favorites were Tyrion, Theon and Arya.
In ASOS it's Jon, Cateyln and Sam.
In AFFC it's Cersei, Jamie and Victarion.
And in ADWD my favorites are Jon, Tyrion and Bran.
Jon Connington mentionned in a Quinn the GM video, who could've guessed? In all seriousness, I totally agree with your comments on Barristan's chapters, The Kingbreaker is my favorite chapter in ADWD and after I finished the fifth book, I was surprised to see that it's rarely cited as one of the best of Dance. I also love Dany's arc in the last published book so far and I think her best character moments happen in that book.
While I definitely agree that the chapters of Arya traipsing through the riverlands were redundant and could have been condensed, her chapters in Harrenhal are some of the best in the book
SANSA APPRECIATION 🙌🗣️🎉
Damn didnt expect big walder to be first anyway cool vid 👍
Something about Bran's viewpoints always got we really excited when reading the books.
3:51 voice crack gotem - very much enjoyed the vid tho 👍
Quinn: This is gonna be the most controversial on the list.
Me: Do people really get mad about arbitrary tier rankings on youtube?
Quinn: Fifteenth is Davos Seaworth.
Me: YOU ****ING MONSTER!!!
I'm kidding. Mostly.
*whispers* You ****ing monster.
I LOVE Dany's chapters in ADWD, probably my favorite arc, next to Theon ADWD and Cersei AFFC, I don't understand why people don't like them, it's everything that makes the series great, a lot of intrigue, political drama, internal conflict, moral ambiguity and it ends with two of the best chapters, one full of action and dragon riding and one last chapter about introspection and prophecy and visions with the climax being "FIRE AND BLOOD". Thematically probably one of Martin's best work, I'm sure he's proud of those chapters.
What's not to love?
People disliked it because the series is not done and probably won't ever be done. If winds of winter and dream of springs had come out in a reasonable time frame, people would like Dany's arc in Dance.
Victarion became my favorite POV in his Arc in Feast/Dance,Theon's arc as Reek is legitimately top tier,and Davos's arc in Dance is filled with amazing Moments from his treating with Lord of The Three Sisters,to being in Manderlys court,and finally his time in the white harbor prison.
The lost lord is legitimately such a great chapter once we see the Captains/Generals meeting.
I for one am looking forward to Winter is Coming for Areo Hotah! Dorne plotline is super interesting and I think Areo’s perspective is cool since he’s not westerosi!
I’m thankful for all the chapters we get from Arya- it encompasses so much about herself, family, and those around them
Clicking off the video when Areo Hotah shows up
Edit: you disappoint me
i want you to revise every single point you made and then make another video including prologues and epilogues (so you can admit that Kevan the Cool is the best viewpoint in the series)
Brienne and Davos should be swapped. I do agree that Davos is the most hot/cold character, though.
I think it's safe to say that the Lannister twins' chapters are hands down the funniest to read. I hardly ever laughed while reading, even if it's comic or manga, but Jaime and Cersei's inner monologue got me chuckling genuinely a lot
We need a POV of strong belwas. Give me some liver and onions
Oh without a doubt Queen Cersei Lannister has the most deliciously entertaining chapters. Don’t mess with the lioness 🦁
I would have bet everything I owned on Joncon being number 1 and had no fear
Quinn “with that said” The GM
Daenarys above Tyrion is criminal
@@Bob_Danaloo nope, Dany should be 1st
@@Theo18_ Absolutely not
@@pr1ncess.d1e.h1gh shes the promised prince, thats a fact
@@Theo18_ her chapters are still not the greatest
thank you quinn
I was traveling on a bus and listening to the chapter where Tyrion and Penny do the jousting on the ship. Maybe it's because of Roy's performance, but the conversation between Tyrion and Jorah had me laughing so hard that everyone on the bus was giving me dirty looks. That alone makes that chapter top 5 to me.
Ser Davos Seaworth is the best PoV in ASoIaF. Here's the best man, and even his slow chapters have really great worldbuilding that i would mourn if we lost. The reaction of the Lord of the Sisters island shows that the perception of Stannis cause is still seen as not hopeless as he gambles on Davos making through to convince Manderly.
Wonder who could possibly be first on this channel 😜 (not watched yet so I'm assuming it's JonCon.
I will say for me Theon’s chapters get the ‘most improved’ between his showings in Clash vs. Dance. The Clash chapters were sometimes rough reads for me, as of everyone Theon is the most likely to descend into casual misogyny of the whole cast (honestly an impressive feat considering some of the competition). That’s not to say it goes away in Dance, its just not exactly his main thing besides the inferiority complex anymore so its a lot more tolerable.
The wayward Bride is one of the best chapters in all the books. The Asha placement is crazy.
It occurs to me that good final comeuppance for Cersei would be meeting Arienne and finally grasping what a clever political schemer with the potential to build grandly on her father's successes actually looks like.
My faves: Sansa and Arya. Brilliant world-builders.
I understand your point on some of the meandering chapters (Bran, Arya, Brienne), however I do think that they are important for pace setting as they slow things down and help keep a bit of sense that not everything can happen at once as some things take time (a bit like this point to be fair! 🤦)
Wasn't surprised by Melisandre's position, given Quinn forgot about her being a POV in a TWOW video.
Everyone's gonna have their rankings so I'd rather just respond to your general thoughts on each character than quibble about the order.
24/22. I think it's kind of weird to include Mel and Arys but not the prologues and epilogues, especially when some of those characters, namely Cressen, Kevan, and Varamyr, are far more fleshed out as characters than Arys in particular, but what you say about them is fair.
23. Really don't get the Windblown hate, because I see it from other people too and I think that's way off the mark and easily Quentyn's second best chapter. It's a great subversion of the climactic battle trope by skipping straight to the PTSD that follows, and I think that's really interesting. I agree Quentyn is very hit or miss but when I try to take a more macro perspective on how each chapter contributes to his overall arc I find he's a lot more enjoyable.
21. I just really think you're underrating The Captain of the Guards here. That chapter takes on a lot of responsibility for introducing characters and settings, and there's a lot of great symbolism about who Doran is. And then there's the final beat of the chapter where Doran orders the arrest of the Sand Snakes and when Areo protests that people will hate him for it he says fuck the haters, iconic scene for me.
20. Ironically I think Asha dodges a lot of the same criticism Hotah tends to get. She's decently interesting in theory and I like her first couple chapters but once she ends up with Stannis she feels like a way more egregious camera that rides since her chapters just randomly get co-opted to become the Stannis POV. They're great chapters, I love Stannis, but Asha not really being the main character of her own chapters is more disappointing to me than for Hotah since she actually is an interesting character that we're being deprived of.
19/17. Can't really speak on these, I haven't read any of the TWOW chapters and your analysis feels like it can't be divorced from that. I hate Aeron, and I think Arianne is ok.
18. Huge disagree, both on Sam's inner monologue being annoying, and on him not undergoing significant development. Storm and Feast both take him through similar arcs where he develops some courage at the end but in the former it's about realizing his own value as a person, and with the latter it's about letting go of the ideal he once thought he had to strive for, embodied in part by his father but also mainly by Jon Snow.
16. I think Bran's arcs in Game and Clash are super underrated, they really feel like a step ahead to the more introspective writing approach George tends to employ later in the series, so while they can feel like a break in pacing at times, particularly in Clash and Storm, I think they're really valuable. Also love what you say about Bran in the intro with the more simplistic language in these chapters, it's a neat touch.
15. Kind of agree? I think Davos is top tier in Storm and generally not that in Clash and Dance, but I actually still really like his Dance chapters. Davos is the original camera that rides as Stannis was once intended to be a POV character before George decided against that, and Dance serves as an interesting exercise where now we get a look at who Davos is when he's not around Stannis. You get a real sense of his love for the sea, but unlike a lot of other older characters, Davos doesn't seem that conflicted about having lost this part of his youth, it's just very nostalgic for him and that leads to a lot of really beautiful scene descriptions.
14. Pretty much agree, but I do really love Arya's Clash arc, particularly hearing all the Beric Dondarrion rumors, and later getting an outside-looking in perspective on Roose Bolton's betrayal of Robb. I love the way GRRM makes use of word-of-mouth information in his worldbuilding, it gives the reader a similar challenge to the characters of trying to piece together fragmented rumors to get at the truth and Arya gets a lot of that in Clash and Storm.
13. Yeah, pretty true. I'm rereading AGOT right now and it's a great book for sure but I think the writing style being so cut and dry at times is what's gonna finally sell me on it being the weakest ASOIAF book, which is crazy because I used to think it was the best.
12. Sorry, I don't like Barristan very much. He's just if Ned was 40 years older and a virgin and instead of having a big secret he hides from the world he's an open book and hardly offers insight into anything despite how long he's been around.
11. I don't know if I'm weird for this but I've come to find Tyrion kind of repetitive because of the things you talk about here. Everywhere he goes he just gets so indignant at everyone and thinks he's so much smarter than everyone. He's a good character but I think I often like him better when he's in other characters' chapters than being inside his own head, though he of course does have some bangers, mainly his last few chapters in each of Clash and Storm.
10. Really agree with what you say about Dany in Dance, I think that's her best arc too. I do quite like her Clash arc though, particularly her first chapter in the lost city she names Vaes Tolorro. Just kind of a vibe thing for me, but she's good.
9. I do agree Jon gets better with each entry in the series, but I think you're underrating his Clash arc. The end of it when he first wargs Ghost and sees Bran in a tree is rad, and I don't really see the issue with pacing for him or Dany, as they both don't have a lot of chapters in Clash.
8. I mean it's a meme pick. Love Victarion but I just can't give up the serious angle so I wouldn't put him over any of the big 3, Arya, or Sam.
7. I think I might just have what you have for JonCon with Brienne, I love a coming of age character like nothing else and her lamentation of how she's not the daughter her father deserves absolutely destroys me every time. Totally understand people finding her boring at times but Brienne V-VII are probably the best 3 chapter run for any character in the series to me and the rest of her chapters are also excellent, it's just that those 3 are probably all in my top 10.
6/5. I kind of go back and forth on Cat and Sansa so I'm lumping them together here, just think they're a really good example of the best of GRRM writing women, and I also just feel compelled to sympathize with them as compensation for their haters.
4. I mean yeah, Jaime is everyone's favorite for a reason, everyone has something they can like about him and despite not really having any indication of this inner depth during AGOT, GRRM does a great job soft-launching the direction for Jaime going forward in ACOK Catelyn VII.
3. Reek arc deserves all the praise it gets, though I have to admit for me all the details and complex parts kind of numb my brain when reading his later Dance chapters. 3rd is a bit high for me just because I don't really like Theon as a character all that much, but you can't deny how good his arcs in both Clash and Dance are.
2. I really need to pay attention for Cersei IV on my next read because I like Cersei but I don't know that I find her as hilarious as all that you talk about here.
1. Meme pick again, but far be it from me to judge you for favoritism when we all do that.
Jon Con #1 is hilarious lol. It's your list, fair enough. Sansa would be where you put Sam for me, I can't stand reading her, but interesting stuff happens with her.
I think Jon in the first two books is great the first time through, but if you are rereading it's not as fun since we already know the Watch and what's Beyond the Wall. But for a first time reader the Night's Watch is very entertaining and gripping military fiction. Jon's return to the Watch and dressing down by Mormont is one of the best chapters in the book and sets up the series in an amazing way. Craster and the Fist are also great and give massive insights into the Others.
Swap Tyrion and Dany’s places on this list and I’d agree entirely.
Ew no
You should do every major non-view point character ranked
You and JonCon really need to get a room already.
I think the relative sparsity of aGoT helps Eddard, given that he is one of the characters that knows too much.