Lady Stoneheart does likely know that Arya was recently alive though, since she was recognized by the brotherhood without banners who Stoneheart runs now.
I’ve always thought it’d be funny if the two Stark sisters crossed paths again by having Littlefinger hire some Faceless Men to kill either Sweetrobin or Harry the Heir. He’s about the only guy we know of who realistically knows how to hire a Faceless Man, so it’d be a neat way for their stories to intersect.
removing all the heartbreaking loss of identity that has followed the stark children, that'd be a fucking funny reunion. "Just on my way to kill a chil- whats my sister doing here" "littlefinger hired an assassin to kill a chil- whats my sister doing here"
George replace Arya with Sansa from he 1993 Outline. Sansa went to Castle Black not Arya .. likewise in the Show Bran heads back to Winterfell via Castle Black to tell Jon ( & Sansa) that he is a Targaryen prince, but ... suspiciously .... Jon has left for Dragonstone by the time Bran gets to Winterfell and doesn't tell Sansa Jon is her COUSIN & a Prince that was promised. So instead of Catelyn going to Castle Black she is killed and becomes Lady Stonehard. Arya never becomes the lover of Jon & Tyrion. Sansa does not marry Joffrey and has a child ... to the king. But Sansa( Ice) ... marries Tyrion who is good to her ... then in the Show after being forced to marry Ramsey and raped ... she flees to Castle Black to seek help from Jon (fire) and the two slowly start to care for & love each other as "siblings." Hmmmmmmm? Need we forget Arya with face changing ability was heading to Kingsland to kill Mad Queen Cersei ... with her bared hands and Jaime's face. But strangely Arya in the Show meets Ed Sheeran and no longer wants kill Cersei as Jaime. Clearly the Show replaced Lady Stoneheart with Arya which means she will die in the books, but will be find peace. Likewise it would be fitting in the book that Arya & LS meet. btw. The Show also replace Quentyn Martel visiting the two dragons with Tyrion .... and he was killed because he did not have the same blood as Dany. GoT & HoTD has confirmed Dragons can smell what blood you have and Dany's dragons not the smell of anybody closely related to her.
I really hated what they turned Arya into in the show. Shes not the punisher or whatever, she's a child who faces constant horrific trauma. Are there badass moments in the book? Yes but becoming a faceless man isn't badass, its really sad. She has an opportunity to gain the means for revenge, but it will cost her entire personality and motivations.
I highly agree with you, Arya is literally just a girl who lost everyone and basically has no one else. Her whole thing is that she wants family, friends, a pack. It was stupid that in the show they made Arya leave Westeros, and travel west. I hope the books do her story better, because I just want her to be happy
I think everyone forgets that she’s so young, how long she’s been apart from anyone she knows, that any family she believes is still alive is impossibly far away, and how easy all that would make truly accepting the philosophy of the faceless men so tempting…if for no other reason than to forget her traumatic past. Revenge being the thing she clings onto that keeps her from doing so is sad in itself.
Hold your tongue! Hot pie will be the first person in Westeros to develop a gluten allergy , experience dramatic weight loss ,survive til Dreams of Summer, be knighted and become Sir Fresh Salad With Grilled Chicken. He’ll either be the Neville Longbottom or Jared Fogle of the song of ice and fire but he can’t die .
The Arya-Tywin scenes are very often brought up as a show change that was good or even superior to the books, but I have to say - I do disagree. Not that I don't enjoy the banter, Charles Dance is fantastic - yet Roose Bolton really needed some build-up before the Red Wedding. My show-only friends were like "who is that?" when he stabbed Robb in the show.
I think you’re right about Roose, but I’m sure there’s a better way to integrate him into Catelyn’s POV as well. Definitely causes a bit of an issue for the show!
And to add, I think it was a "stupid" (i dont really mean stupid but cant come with another word) move by Tywin, he who is ruthless and in war with the north figures out that that little girl must come from a great northern house but let's her go
For me it kill the unnaprochable _"i am better than the lowborn"_ characterization that is so integral to his actions in the books and throught the story. The scenes are cool but really weaken the identity that tywin is supposed to have as a character.
I think I am the only one who have high hopes for Rickon. I know he is still a child but I feel like he will be a big part of the North's revenge. Him and shaggydog have always been described as wild and angry.
@@albayrakcan Same. Internet is full with sentences like "Rickon will die just like in a show" or "he will have no impact on the plot".I hope George has cool plans for Rickon and Shaggydog.
I completely agree that Arya is probably going straight to the Riverlands and not North, I don’t think she’ll be sent on a particular mission by the FM, but she’ll have to escape so any boat she manages to sail on to Westeros will do good, she’ll not waste t8me trying to find one that goes North. My personal head canon is that she’ll escape on the day of the Uncloaking of Uthero (practically the carnival of Braavos) with everyone wearing masks for ten days and Arya managing to escape on the tenth day leaving behind any physical or metaphorical mask and take back her true identity of Arya Stark. I think, before she leaves Braavos she’ll have to interact with Jeyne Poole and obtain some informations that will be important for the downfall of Littlefinger and will probably see the election of the new Sea Lord of Braavos, then it’s Westeros heading to Lady Stoneheart
Totally agree. And love the bit about the Uncloaking, new headcanon! Some of my own theories concerning her return to Westeros, Aryas past is waiting for her in the Riverlands. Lady Stoneheart and the Brotherhood, Nymeria, Gendry, maybe the Hound, even Jamie and Brienne, theyre all in the Riverlands. I think if we do see the Hound again as the Gravedigger, regardless of if he rejoins the story in any major capacity, it would be from Ayras POV. He could be the first step in Arya seeing a path forward other than revenge, now that they have clashing ideals. That might be where the Season 8 reunion road trip came from. Jamie and Brienne could be part of the reunion with Stoneheart fullfilling the promise at last to return her daughters. Through Lady Stoneheart, Arya would be forced to confront who shes become and the life shes leading vs the life Catelyn and Ned would want for her. Ayra would also then be faced with forgiveness and mercy for Jamie. Which would shift her away from a path of hate and revenge. Although to be honest is hard for me to imagine a scene with Jamie and Arya together. Sansa's wolf was named Lady, where as Arya's was named after Princess Nymeria, and Nymeria the wolf is already tearing across the Riverlands with her pack. Arya wouldnt a Princess in the traditional sense but possibly a Princess of Rebels helping take back the Riverlands and the North during TWOW. This would also tie into the Jeyne Poole Fake!Arya plot line, Arya reclaiming her name and all the responsibilities that come with that. And by ADOS Sansa could end up Lady of Winterfell, returning to her Stark roots, or going the opposite direction and leaning into Dark!Sansa that they kind of play with in the show but never commit to. (I dont think the moral can be Ned/Robb stupid, honor bad, betray family = girlboss)
The big question about Arya isn't whether she'll get home, but whether there will be anything left of the charmingly bolshie little kid who left in book 1 when she does. A confrontation with Stoneheart would presumably yank that one way or the other. As for future eps, I hope you're planning one on Sam Tarly.
I remember crying on the penultimate Arya chapter in ASOS, when she rips apart a girl's doll because she keeps following her around in the village. Just too much sad moments on that chapter
DECADES ago, my friend's boyfriend named his cat that! I didn't know of the books then, and the young man (and cat) are sadly no longer with us. It wasn't until last year that I connected Ser Pounce with *the* Ser Pounce, First Of His Name.
I'd say that a good person to jump to next might be Sam at the citadel. He's geographically isolated, there's interesting stuff happening around him, and it might work as more of a stand alone episode after the more interconnected stories of the Stark kids.
I realise the Mercy chapter is almost certainly scrapped but gods I hope the play thing stays in some form. The mental picture of a mummer troupe putting on a show in Braavos with its boistrous, lively port city vibes is just so cool
On a more serious note I honestly disagree about the Tywin scenes in Season 2, it just feels so out of character to see him treat a supposed random girl in the riverlands with such humanity and decency, given how much of a monster we all know he is. Some show fans theorize his kindness was due to him secretly knowing Arya's true identity but this just makes even less sense, had Tywin known Arya's true identity there's no universe where he wouldn't've immediately had her sent back to Kings Landing to be imprisoned with her sister and used as a hostage against the Starks
I'd love a deep dive on one of my favorite characters, Lady Miranda of the Vale. Not much about her yet, but her family and her place in it have some meat to them
I’m thinking she successfully becomes “no one” except still has wolf dreams she can’t explain. I’m hoping Bran can reach out to her via Nymeria and snap her out of it. At some point she can realize her warg powers and lead the army of dogs at Nymeria’s disposal.
I could honestly see her teaming up with Aegon and wrecking havoc in Kings Landing for him before hearing that her mother Is alive and travelling to the Riverlands.
Can I suggest a ‘What If’ video: In GoT Catelyn convinced Robb to send Roose to face Tywin instead of the Greatjon. How would things have played out if she hadn’t?
I have a feeling the Faceless Men know how to render a fire wight unresurrectable and that Arya may eventually do this for Jon, having already released her mother from magical bondage in the forthcoming book. I reckon that's the point of the FM in the story. Perhaps.
There is a bigger thematic reason why Arya has to meet up with LS. She needs to reclaim her femininity and reconnect with her mother's side to be a complete character. Sansa on the other hand is missing her father's side of the family to be complete. The Stark kids are all either Ned's or Catelyn, but they would all need to integrate both the feminine and the masculine to achieve their potential.
I love theories that work backwards from the utter hot mess of GOT S8. I’m convinced there are legit threads in there that were half assed or barely nodded to in the show
Hey Quinn, have you watched the Eldrik Stoneskin video about the doom? Tldr; the Faceless men oppose the perversion of the life/death cycle through fire/ice wights. This would explain why and how she gets to the riverlands and why she would know that Catelyn is still "alive". But more importantly this would also set up Arya being commanded to seek out and kill a resurrected John Snow - the person she cares about the most, which imo would be an awesome moment to watch her reaction
Disagree regarding the arc. Conversation with Tywin are good fanfic but that would motivate her to use him as first kill. How Roose Bolton is not covered by show and was very cool in the books.
Really, tywin is supposed to be the kind of guy that would never be caught _publicaly_ talking to a peasant in public (too perfect to engage lowborns, with all the gold shitting and whatnot). Is like having a cool scene of Ned using a brohothel, it might be a fantastic interaction but still ruins the idea of Ned's honor being so important to him
I just wanna see her wield Dark Sister. It will probably piss off Dany, cuz that sword is a family heirloom, and , it might also anger Aegon/fAegon. aaaah... i wonder if theres even enough time for that little drama. I still think two books is still not enough to tie and wrap up every freakin plotpoint.
I could see a big time gap happening in winds, not as much as 5 years most likely but I imagine we'll see stannis' host tearing one another apart once they're behind the walls of winterfell and realize they don't have the real arya. Jon will likely become lord of winterfell if he's revived, first with stannis' decree which northmen will resent and then once robb's will is revealed they will rally to jon. Plenty of people think the harry hardyng will die which I don't disagree with but I think sansa will become lady of the vale anyway and marry Aegon so he can secure the vale and she can secure support for her claim over winterfell. Dany is like to fight Aegon too so I could see this war for the north being the catalyst for Jon and dany becoming a single faction.
I'd love to hear what you think is next for the Tyrells. Do they stay loyal to the Lannisters through Tommen? To they switch to Aegon? Will they go extinct with Bron taking Highgarden as the Seven always intended?
I really appreciate your hot take there, not going to lie, people really ignore that a fair few arcs are arguably improved in the first half of the show, hell even grrm admits shae's arc is improved, so I like that you recognise that rather than just flatly admitting that everything the show does is worse (though clearly it is after s4)
The scenes with Arya and Tywin are great and in a first a glance better than the book scenes were she interact with Roose Bolton, but after reading the books a lot and watching the tv series a couple of times I got to understand that when she share time with Roose is more relevant for her entire arc, when she serves Roose she learns that not every northerner is as honorable and good as his family, understanding that in a war there are no sides that are right or wrong and learning that the common people suffers when war unleashes ,deepening the meaning of the themes that George want to address when he writes Arya: identity, justice, vengeance, family, self love etc.
For the next vid, i wanted to ask Victarion bit you recently already talked about the Greyjoys. So now I would like to suggest Sam, whom we've not heard of for a long time
It’s a pretty widely known theory that Mercy’s chapter may not be about Arya going rogue, but about her following through an approved mission to ruffle some feathers by killing somebody in the Westerosi entourage and making it look like them were the ones killing an innocent young girl and disappearing afterwards. A roundabout way to ruin the negotiations with the Iron Bank. Littlefinger could have the motivation and the means to arrange this kind of mess. This, of course, would only be so if the FM didn’t know she had any conection with somebody in the Westerosi group since they cannot accept a target they personally know; needless to say, ind such scenario Arya would jump at the unexpected chance to scratch one name of her list with the FM being none the wiser. This theory makes even more sense if, as you said, this chapter was written ages ago and was meant to be at the beginning of the five years gap, so it wouldn’t mean that she was at odds with the FM for being a loose cannon after killing Raff the Sweatling for selfish reasons. On the contrary, if it was a mission, she accomplished it remarkably well.
Something that occurs to me, there are quite a few characters who have reacted to loss and sent them on a different path, only to find out or yet to find out that they haven’t actually lost what they believe they have, giving them space for change. She thinks she has lost her mother and her brother and her sister and her other two brothers. But she hasn’t, tyrion thinks he lost his first wife, which he hasn’t, Jamie thinks he has lost who he is because of his hand which he hasn’t. Catlin thinks she has lost her kids, which she hasn’t. So there are a lot of characters out in the wilderness with imperfect information reacting to events being unaware of the reality, which will ultimately potentially give them a reason to be less vengeful.
I know I’m looking at a small detail in this whole video but It’s interesting to look at whether or not Arya was wrong for killing the Nights watch deserter Dareon. It says he’s from the Reach so we can be assume when he took his vows it was done in the name of the Seven Gods, on of those being the Stranger/death. Throughout the books we have seen that oaths sworn before the gods that have been broken have had consequences to those who break them. Strictly looking at the nights watch, throughout the books all those who desert the Nights watch have died at some point in the books. From Will in the Bran chapter 1, those who come across Bran, Robb, and Theon, and those who were later caught beyond the wall by Cold hands from Crasters Keep. The ones who say their vows and truly abandon the Nights watch eventually pay for it with their lives. This same fate followed Dareon to Bravos and whether it be by coincidence or the will of the gods that Arya was there doesn’t really matter, his death was bound to happen sooner or later and not by natural causes. To wrap this up, when the kindly man was lecturing Arya on how it was not up to them to judge who lives or dies I think this was just a piece of general knowledge being taught rather than him being upset for what she did. Dareons life was already forfeited to the god of death for breaking faith, which is why when he blinds her it’s almost as a reward to move on to the next phase of her training. He told her later on that they would have done that anyway but not for another 6 month or something like that. So was she wrong for doing that? No. Do I think she’s turning into some murderous individual? Still no. I say it’s just the circumstances of where she has traveled throughout her story and her sense of justice that’s been instilled in her from the North and her father.
Theon is like another Stark kid in the beginning, then you could do the rest of the Greyjoys. They all have interesting situations in the released chapters.
I wanna see arya become evil and get her psychic stark powers unlocked by euron and then they team up to revove cthullu but jon nissa nissas her 10/10 winds storyline yw george
I didn’t pick up with cat connection with her mother until you mentioned it. I kind of think she may even wear her mother’s face now and killing petyr Baelish with that face would be sooo perfect.
Also we might learn some lore about the Valyrian immortal slaves. Yes, we already got the first kiss of death and later of a slave master, but they could eventually teach Arya e.g. how to kill an immortal. Maybe she is tasked with killing a red priestess or warlock? While her Riverlands view point might be amazing, we have so few people in the free cities. And making it a bit more obvious that the Faceless men killed the Valyrian empire might be good for the casual readers
I think a cool idea for a video would be talking about maybe your top ten interactions you'd wish to see in hotd 3. This would be in a couple of years ofc....
I always found it interesting that both Stark daughters take on new identities, and both try to link it to their mother, but it's only Arya, the daughter who had the least in common with Katlyn, who's allowed to go by her mother's name. I think that's definitely meant as a hint
Think part of the reason they went with the killing of the night king was to give her assassin training some purpose. It kinda makes sense how if you had a necromancer you couldn’t fight them in a battle because they just resurrect your dead. So an assassin or a fellowship/smaller force like the stuff with the last hero makes sense. So I think they did it just to make a point of all the seasons her learning to fight and train with assassins but they still execute that poorly and didn’t really mention it. An assassin would be perfect to put down a dragon rider and necromancer who he far too strong in all out war.
More simply, I'd say that D&D learned from GRRM that Arya will kill Lady Stoneheart in the books, and that inspired them to have Arya kill the Night King. I doubt they took inspiration from the old draft. In my opinion, Smudge stands for Redacted.
I tend to think that Arya is going north. She'd go straight to Jon and has no reason to return to the Riverlands. While there's definitely set up for her dealing with Lady Stoneheart, I think she is more Jaime and Brienne's conflict to resolve than it is Arya's. Honestly, we've spent enough time in the riverlands with Arya and the story can Zoom her there any night it needs to via wolf dreams.
I kinda hope that Arya will turn up at the Golden Wedding (between the Lannister and Frey). Jaime and Brienne convinced Stoneheart and the brotherhood to go there to take her revenge. Arya also goes there, disguised to exact revenge. Having both a Jaime and Arya chapter here would be cool. But Arya giving her mother a mercy kill at this wedding would be full circle for both characters, Stoneheart dies knowing Arya is still alive and Arya gives up revenge after she sees what it did to her mother.
Raf killed Lommy right when the mountain’s men captured him, Arya, Gendry and Hot Pie, after they escaped from the battle between the nights watch recruits and Amory Lorch’s men. Not at the battle of oxcross, which we never see directly
Question Quinn, I know once Fantasy Haeven joked saying your videos are slideshow presentations in his "ranking asoiaf UA-camrs" video, but I was wondering if they actually are because if they are they look like they are fully edited videos!
We all love Book Arya aka B'arya right? Yea she's the Brienne Travelogue in book 2/3 but the Hound/Arya thing in the show was a nice way to honor the book story but also expand Hound
Love the content! Have you considered making a video about the drugs of planetos? I have not seen much information about this online but i assume george did not just omit drug use from his story. I think its an interesting topic
I wanna see Arya come back to Westeros and run into Lady Stoneheart! Arya would want nothing but revenge, just like her. Like Lady Stoneheart, she would wanna see the Freys pay in the worst way. I believe we'd get a better version of the revenge that we saw on television! I see Arya using her Faceless Men training to lay waste to House Frey. George will write it better than I can imagine!
Jaqen told Arya that he owes her three deaths for those she stole from the Red God. I think Arya killing for herself using the Faceless Men's training will obligate her to do a contract no matter who it is... and then a contract for Lady Stoneheart comes along.
I think you’re slightly confused vis a vis Lommy - he’s killed when the Mountain’s men find Arya in the village by the Gods Eye. The Battle of Oxcross happens in the Westerlands, and is where Stafford Lannister is killed.
Wasn't Arya playing Shae's role? I remember there was another girl doing the Sansa role. Another point. Mercy slips and becomes Arya again when she kills Raff. When she says "you think so?" the chapter refers to her as Arya and not as Mercy. Then it goes back to Mercy.
She went North because she found out she still had family up there & it wasn't under Bolton control, so could have the change there. Is Gendry still with the Brotherhood in the books? If so that could be other interesting story bit. Screw the whole she sees Stoneheart and gers scared of revenge, let's get some Mother-Daughter revenge bonding.
I dont see her sight being taken from her as a punishment, it's rather the next step in her training. In one of the first Arya chapters in Feast she mentions there being a blind acolyte. Probably the faceless men are ok with her killing Dareon too as a deserter his life is forfeit.
After the stark kids you could tackle the stark father. My personal guess is that Ned’s storyline will be him continuing to decay slowly.
Well there is the subplot of Ned's bones going missing so you might get your wish😅
He’s a pigeon that was promised.
He might be a pigeon.
@@Bobobidobo2he was in the cake at Joffery's wedding. Joff wasn't poisoned he just choked on Ned's pigeon poop.
@@SerfinBird Ned's revenge!
A 3 hour video of the winter coming for every single Frey. You know you want to
3 hour video of most of them being dead.
😂
Lady Stoneheart does likely know that Arya was recently alive though, since she was recognized by the brotherhood without banners who Stoneheart runs now.
She probably thinks she escaped Winterfell with theon though right? I can't remember if everyone still thinks Jeyne poole is the real Arya.
@@notrdy4thisjelly546the brotherhood had Arya in storm. Soo they probably know that’s a fake Arya
@@coopdam3721 for sure, but I can't remember if they acknowledge the Ramsey wedding at any point in the last two books. I really gotta do a reread.
@@notrdy4thisjelly546 Yeah, I don’t remember if they acknowledge the wedding either, but they probably would assume it’s a fake Arya like y’all said
Oh! That’s true!
I’ve always thought it’d be funny if the two Stark sisters crossed paths again by having Littlefinger hire some Faceless Men to kill either Sweetrobin or Harry the Heir. He’s about the only guy we know of who realistically knows how to hire a Faceless Man, so it’d be a neat way for their stories to intersect.
removing all the heartbreaking loss of identity that has followed the stark children, that'd be a fucking funny reunion.
"Just on my way to kill a chil- whats my sister doing here"
"littlefinger hired an assassin to kill a chil- whats my sister doing here"
George replace Arya with Sansa from he 1993 Outline. Sansa went to Castle Black not Arya .. likewise in the Show Bran heads back to Winterfell via Castle Black to tell Jon ( & Sansa) that he is a Targaryen prince, but ... suspiciously .... Jon has left for Dragonstone by the time Bran gets to Winterfell and doesn't tell Sansa Jon is her COUSIN & a Prince that was promised.
So instead of Catelyn going to Castle Black she is killed and becomes Lady Stonehard.
Arya never becomes the lover of Jon & Tyrion.
Sansa does not marry Joffrey and has a child ... to the king.
But Sansa( Ice) ... marries Tyrion who is good to her ... then in the Show after being forced to marry Ramsey and raped ... she flees to Castle Black to seek help from Jon (fire) and the two slowly start to care for & love each other as "siblings." Hmmmmmmm? Need we forget Arya with face changing ability was heading to Kingsland to kill Mad Queen Cersei ... with her bared hands and Jaime's face. But strangely Arya in the Show meets Ed Sheeran and no longer wants kill Cersei as Jaime. Clearly the Show replaced Lady Stoneheart with Arya which means she will die in the books, but will be find peace. Likewise it would be fitting in the book that Arya & LS meet.
btw. The Show also replace Quentyn Martel visiting the two dragons with Tyrion .... and he was killed because he did not have the same blood as Dany. GoT & HoTD has confirmed Dragons can smell what blood you have and Dany's dragons not the smell of anybody closely related to her.
Missed the opportunity to title this winds of winter is coming for no one
Well, I have my fears that this statement is more true than it seems...
I really hated what they turned Arya into in the show. Shes not the punisher or whatever, she's a child who faces constant horrific trauma. Are there badass moments in the book? Yes but becoming a faceless man isn't badass, its really sad. She has an opportunity to gain the means for revenge, but it will cost her entire personality and motivations.
I highly agree with you, Arya is literally just a girl who lost everyone and basically has no one else. Her whole thing is that she wants family, friends, a pack. It was stupid that in the show they made Arya leave Westeros, and travel west. I hope the books do her story better, because I just want her to be happy
I think everyone forgets that she’s so young, how long she’s been apart from anyone she knows, that any family she believes is still alive is impossibly far away, and how easy all that would make truly accepting the philosophy of the faceless men so tempting…if for no other reason than to forget her traumatic past. Revenge being the thing she clings onto that keeps her from doing so is sad in itself.
Winter is Coming for Hotpie
Hold your tongue! Hot pie will be the first person in Westeros to develop a gluten allergy , experience dramatic weight loss ,survive til Dreams of Summer, be knighted and become Sir Fresh Salad With Grilled Chicken. He’ll either be the Neville Longbottom or Jared Fogle of the song of ice and fire but he can’t die .
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@@therumjiggler6879new head canon thank you
The Arya-Tywin scenes are very often brought up as a show change that was good or even superior to the books, but I have to say - I do disagree. Not that I don't enjoy the banter, Charles Dance is fantastic - yet Roose Bolton really needed some build-up before the Red Wedding. My show-only friends were like "who is that?" when he stabbed Robb in the show.
Plus it made Tywin way more likable than who he actually is.
I think you’re right about Roose, but I’m sure there’s a better way to integrate him into Catelyn’s POV as well. Definitely causes a bit of an issue for the show!
And to add, I think it was a "stupid" (i dont really mean stupid but cant come with another word) move by Tywin, he who is ruthless and in war with the north figures out that that little girl must come from a great northern house but let's her go
For me it kill the unnaprochable _"i am better than the lowborn"_ characterization that is so integral to his actions in the books and throught the story. The scenes are cool but really weaken the identity that tywin is supposed to have as a character.
It would’ve helped too if they at least tried to be somewhat book accurate. He just comes across as Some Guy in the show.
Ser Davos next!! Rickon and shaggy dog need an update lol
this but don't forget about Osha
I honestly think Rickon's story will end how it did in the show
Davos will hear rickon call osha "momma". Be cause davos is still devoted to the mother will leave rickon on skagos.
I think I am the only one who have high hopes for Rickon. I know he is still a child but I feel like he will be a big part of the North's revenge. Him and shaggydog have always been described as wild and angry.
@@albayrakcan Same. Internet is full with sentences like "Rickon will die just like in a show" or "he will have no impact on the plot".I hope George has cool plans for Rickon and Shaggydog.
I completely agree that Arya is probably going straight to the Riverlands and not North, I don’t think she’ll be sent on a particular mission by the FM, but she’ll have to escape so any boat she manages to sail on to Westeros will do good, she’ll not waste t8me trying to find one that goes North.
My personal head canon is that she’ll escape on the day of the Uncloaking of Uthero (practically the carnival of Braavos) with everyone wearing masks for ten days and Arya managing to escape on the tenth day leaving behind any physical or metaphorical mask and take back her true identity of Arya Stark.
I think, before she leaves Braavos she’ll have to interact with Jeyne Poole and obtain some informations that will be important for the downfall of Littlefinger and will probably see the election of the new Sea Lord of Braavos, then it’s Westeros heading to Lady Stoneheart
Totally agree. And love the bit about the Uncloaking, new headcanon!
Some of my own theories concerning her return to Westeros, Aryas past is waiting for her in the Riverlands. Lady Stoneheart and the Brotherhood, Nymeria, Gendry, maybe the Hound, even Jamie and Brienne, theyre all in the Riverlands.
I think if we do see the Hound again as the Gravedigger, regardless of if he rejoins the story in any major capacity, it would be from Ayras POV. He could be the first step in Arya seeing a path forward other than revenge, now that they have clashing ideals. That might be where the Season 8 reunion road trip came from.
Jamie and Brienne could be part of the reunion with Stoneheart fullfilling the promise at last to return her daughters. Through Lady Stoneheart, Arya would be forced to confront who shes become and the life shes leading vs the life Catelyn and Ned would want for her. Ayra would also then be faced with forgiveness and mercy for Jamie. Which would shift her away from a path of hate and revenge. Although to be honest is hard for me to imagine a scene with Jamie and Arya together.
Sansa's wolf was named Lady, where as Arya's was named after Princess Nymeria, and Nymeria the wolf is already tearing across the Riverlands with her pack. Arya wouldnt a Princess in the traditional sense but possibly a Princess of Rebels helping take back the Riverlands and the North during TWOW. This would also tie into the Jeyne Poole Fake!Arya plot line, Arya reclaiming her name and all the responsibilities that come with that.
And by ADOS Sansa could end up Lady of Winterfell, returning to her Stark roots, or going the opposite direction and leaning into Dark!Sansa that they kind of play with in the show but never commit to. (I dont think the moral can be Ned/Robb stupid, honor bad, betray family = girlboss)
"Step 4: plagiarism" had me gasping for air frfr
Arya killing Stoneheart makes a lot of sense to me, and would fit well in the Jaime-Brienne-Caitlyn plotline traffic jam.
The big question about Arya isn't whether she'll get home, but whether there will be anything left of the charmingly bolshie little kid who left in book 1 when she does. A confrontation with Stoneheart would presumably yank that one way or the other.
As for future eps, I hope you're planning one on Sam Tarly.
I remember crying on the penultimate Arya chapter in ASOS, when she rips apart a girl's doll because she keeps following her around in the village. Just too much sad moments on that chapter
Winter is coming for Ser Pounce
The Cat That was Promised.
DECADES ago, my friend's boyfriend named his cat that! I didn't know of the books then, and the young man (and cat) are sadly no longer with us. It wasn't until last year that I connected Ser Pounce with *the* Ser Pounce, First Of His Name.
@GeeNoniGee Winter has come for them both but they are not forgotten
I'd say that a good person to jump to next might be Sam at the citadel. He's geographically isolated, there's interesting stuff happening around him, and it might work as more of a stand alone episode after the more interconnected stories of the Stark kids.
I realise the Mercy chapter is almost certainly scrapped but gods I hope the play thing stays in some form. The mental picture of a mummer troupe putting on a show in Braavos with its boistrous, lively port city vibes is just so cool
Also Shakespeare style theater existing in Westeros (well, Essos) is amazing and really fitting with the setting. I love that it is a thing.
Why do you think it’s scrapped?
On a more serious note I honestly disagree about the Tywin scenes in Season 2, it just feels so out of character to see him treat a supposed random girl in the riverlands with such humanity and decency, given how much of a monster we all know he is. Some show fans theorize his kindness was due to him secretly knowing Arya's true identity but this just makes even less sense, had Tywin known Arya's true identity there's no universe where he wouldn't've immediately had her sent back to Kings Landing to be imprisoned with her sister and used as a hostage against the Starks
I'd love a deep dive on one of my favorite characters, Lady Miranda of the Vale. Not much about her yet, but her family and her place in it have some meat to them
Davos would be quite interesting to hear about.
Rowing to Skagos and riding unicorns with cannibals
Unicorn-jousting with the cannibals.
not only that, riding cannibal the dragon later
When you mentioned Ember Island Players, I knew I was subscribed to a man of culture :)
I’m thinking she successfully becomes “no one” except still has wolf dreams she can’t explain. I’m hoping Bran can reach out to her via Nymeria and snap her out of it. At some point she can realize her warg powers and lead the army of dogs at Nymeria’s disposal.
I could honestly see her teaming up with Aegon and wrecking havoc in Kings Landing for him before hearing that her mother Is alive and travelling to the Riverlands.
Those first words in the title always get my hopea up. Then i read the rest and i fall back into depression.
Can I suggest a ‘What If’ video: In GoT Catelyn convinced Robb to send Roose to face Tywin instead of the Greatjon. How would things have played out if she hadn’t?
I have a feeling the Faceless Men know how to render a fire wight unresurrectable and that Arya may eventually do this for Jon, having already released her mother from magical bondage in the forthcoming book. I reckon that's the point of the FM in the story. Perhaps.
There is a bigger thematic reason why Arya has to meet up with LS. She needs to reclaim her femininity and reconnect with her mother's side to be a complete character. Sansa on the other hand is missing her father's side of the family to be complete. The Stark kids are all either Ned's or Catelyn, but they would all need to integrate both the feminine and the masculine to achieve their potential.
Davos next please. I’ve seen very little discussion on his role even though his journey to get the McGuffin Rickon would be a huge deal
I love theories that work backwards from the utter hot mess of GOT S8. I’m convinced there are legit threads in there that were half assed or barely nodded to in the show
Hey Quinn, have you watched the Eldrik Stoneskin video about the doom? Tldr; the Faceless men oppose the perversion of the life/death cycle through fire/ice wights. This would explain why and how she gets to the riverlands and why she would know that Catelyn is still "alive". But more importantly this would also set up Arya being commanded to seek out and kill a resurrected John Snow - the person she cares about the most, which imo would be an awesome moment to watch her reaction
Disagree regarding the arc. Conversation with Tywin are good fanfic but that would motivate her to use him as first kill.
How Roose Bolton is not covered by show and was very cool in the books.
People fall for good acting and chemistry between characters and forget what this characters are supposed to be
Really, tywin is supposed to be the kind of guy that would never be caught _publicaly_ talking to a peasant in public (too perfect to engage lowborns, with all the gold shitting and whatnot).
Is like having a cool scene of Ned using a brohothel, it might be a fantastic interaction but still ruins the idea of Ned's honor being so important to him
@leandrocastello309 In the show, it implied that Tywin thinks Arya is the daughter of a petty lord or a landed knight.
I really enjoyed the Tywin & Arya scenes and the extended team up of Arya & the Hound in the shows. Overall though, the books are SOOOOO much better!!
Silly Arya, wants to know what is west of Westeros. It would be wiser to wonder what is east of Essos.
I just wanna see her wield Dark Sister. It will probably piss off Dany, cuz that sword is a family heirloom, and , it might also anger Aegon/fAegon.
aaaah... i wonder if theres even enough time for that little drama. I still think two books is still not enough to tie and wrap up every freakin plotpoint.
Lmfao they're not coming out
I could see a big time gap happening in winds, not as much as 5 years most likely but I imagine we'll see stannis' host tearing one another apart once they're behind the walls of winterfell and realize they don't have the real arya. Jon will likely become lord of winterfell if he's revived, first with stannis' decree which northmen will resent and then once robb's will is revealed they will rally to jon. Plenty of people think the harry hardyng will die which I don't disagree with but I think sansa will become lady of the vale anyway and marry Aegon so he can secure the vale and she can secure support for her claim over winterfell. Dany is like to fight Aegon too so I could see this war for the north being the catalyst for Jon and dany becoming a single faction.
Love this series🫡 excited for more.
I'd love to hear what you think is next for the Tyrells. Do they stay loyal to the Lannisters through Tommen? To they switch to Aegon? Will they go extinct with Bron taking Highgarden as the Seven always intended?
I really appreciate your hot take there, not going to lie, people really ignore that a fair few arcs are arguably improved in the first half of the show, hell even grrm admits shae's arc is improved, so I like that you recognise that rather than just flatly admitting that everything the show does is worse (though clearly it is after s4)
The scenes with Arya and Tywin are great and in a first a glance better than the book scenes were she interact with Roose Bolton, but after reading the books a lot and watching the tv series a couple of times I got to understand that when she share time with Roose is more relevant for her entire arc, when she serves Roose she learns that not every northerner is as honorable and good as his family, understanding that in a war there are no sides that are right or wrong and learning that the common people suffers when war unleashes ,deepening the meaning of the themes that George want to address when he writes Arya: identity, justice, vengeance, family, self love etc.
BRIENNE NEXT PLZZZ
Lmaoooo the little Hbomberguy on the plagiarism slide
I NEED a « Winter is Coming for Euron Greyjoy »
Euron Greyjoy IS the coming Winter
@@Alptanis I think so too, good catch
@@benoitfenouillet9774 "The Winter has Come, and his name is Euron Crow's Eye."
@@KaiHung-wv3ul goosebumps
For the next vid, i wanted to ask Victarion bit you recently already talked about the Greyjoys.
So now I would like to suggest Sam, whom we've not heard of for a long time
It’s a pretty widely known theory that Mercy’s chapter may not be about Arya going rogue, but about her following through an approved mission to ruffle some feathers by killing somebody in the Westerosi entourage and making it look like them were the ones killing an innocent young girl and disappearing afterwards. A roundabout way to ruin the negotiations with the Iron Bank. Littlefinger could have the motivation and the means to arrange this kind of mess.
This, of course, would only be so if the FM didn’t know she had any conection with somebody in the Westerosi group since they cannot accept a target they personally know; needless to say, ind such scenario Arya would jump at the unexpected chance to scratch one name of her list with the FM being none the wiser.
This theory makes even more sense if, as you said, this chapter was written ages ago and was meant to be at the beginning of the five years gap, so it wouldn’t mean that she was at odds with the FM for being a loose cannon after killing Raff the Sweatling for selfish reasons. On the contrary, if it was a mission, she accomplished it remarkably well.
I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE AAAH
Something that occurs to me, there are quite a few characters who have reacted to loss and sent them on a different path, only to find out or yet to find out that they haven’t actually lost what they believe they have, giving them space for change. She thinks she has lost her mother and her brother and her sister and her other two brothers. But she hasn’t, tyrion thinks he lost his first wife, which he hasn’t, Jamie thinks he has lost who he is because of his hand which he hasn’t. Catlin thinks she has lost her kids, which she hasn’t. So there are a lot of characters out in the wilderness with imperfect information reacting to events being unaware of the reality, which will ultimately potentially give them a reason to be less vengeful.
Davos after the stark kids. Very under-analyzed.
I know I’m looking at a small detail in this whole video but It’s interesting to look at whether or not Arya was wrong for killing the Nights watch deserter Dareon. It says he’s from the Reach so we can be assume when he took his vows it was done in the name of the Seven Gods, on of those being the Stranger/death. Throughout the books we have seen that oaths sworn before the gods that have been broken have had consequences to those who break them. Strictly looking at the nights watch, throughout the books all those who desert the Nights watch have died at some point in the books. From Will in the Bran chapter 1, those who come across Bran, Robb, and Theon, and those who were later caught beyond the wall by Cold hands from Crasters Keep. The ones who say their vows and truly abandon the Nights watch eventually pay for it with their lives. This same fate followed Dareon to Bravos and whether it be by coincidence or the will of the gods that Arya was there doesn’t really matter, his death was bound to happen sooner or later and not by natural causes. To wrap this up, when the kindly man was lecturing Arya on how it was not up to them to judge who lives or dies I think this was just a piece of general knowledge being taught rather than him being upset for what she did. Dareons life was already forfeited to the god of death for breaking faith, which is why when he blinds her it’s almost as a reward to move on to the next phase of her training. He told her later on that they would have done that anyway but not for another 6 month or something like that. So was she wrong for doing that? No. Do I think she’s turning into some murderous individual? Still no. I say it’s just the circumstances of where she has traveled throughout her story and her sense of justice that’s been instilled in her from the North and her father.
I love the series! My recommendation would be Areo Hotah because i have no idea where he is going or what his purpose as a POV is going forward!
Winter is coming for JonCon?
Theon is like another Stark kid in the beginning, then you could do the rest of the Greyjoys. They all have interesting situations in the released chapters.
Obviously Quentin should be the next character, can’t wait to hear about how he survived the dragons!!
Go with the Greyjoys next. Big part of the story
I wanna see arya become evil and get her psychic stark powers unlocked by euron and then they team up to revove cthullu but jon nissa nissas her 10/10 winds storyline yw george
I didn’t pick up with cat connection with her mother until you mentioned it. I kind of think she may even wear her mother’s face now and killing petyr Baelish with that face would be sooo perfect.
Also we might learn some lore about the Valyrian immortal slaves. Yes, we already got the first kiss of death and later of a slave master, but they could eventually teach Arya e.g. how to kill an immortal. Maybe she is tasked with killing a red priestess or warlock? While her Riverlands view point might be amazing, we have so few people in the free cities. And making it a bit more obvious that the Faceless men killed the Valyrian empire might be good for the casual readers
Jon is a Stark too Quinn… not by name but he’s a Stark kid
I think a cool idea for a video would be talking about maybe your top ten interactions you'd wish to see in hotd 3. This would be in a couple of years ofc....
I think Arya is actually playing Shae because the Dwarf kills her in the play.
Maybe but also sansa went missing about the same time so I think maybe most common folk think tyrion killed her too but maybe ur right too
I always found it interesting that both Stark daughters take on new identities, and both try to link it to their mother, but it's only Arya, the daughter who had the least in common with Katlyn, who's allowed to go by her mother's name. I think that's definitely meant as a hint
Cant go wrong with a Davos breakdown in my book
Do Davos next! I love this series
Think part of the reason they went with the killing of the night king was to give her assassin training some purpose.
It kinda makes sense how if you had a necromancer you couldn’t fight them in a battle because they just resurrect your dead. So an assassin or a fellowship/smaller force like the stuff with the last hero makes sense.
So I think they did it just to make a point of all the seasons her learning to fight and train with assassins but they still execute that poorly and didn’t really mention it.
An assassin would be perfect to put down a dragon rider and necromancer who he far too strong in all out war.
5:19 the real Olympics moment will be if Arya gets a horrific bacterial infection from the canals trying to escape the Waif
More simply, I'd say that D&D learned from GRRM that Arya will kill Lady Stoneheart in the books, and that inspired them to have Arya kill the Night King. I doubt they took inspiration from the old draft. In my opinion, Smudge stands for Redacted.
And here I thought GRRM had written a chapter about my friend's cat, Smudge!
I tend to think that Arya is going north. She'd go straight to Jon and has no reason to return to the Riverlands. While there's definitely set up for her dealing with Lady Stoneheart, I think she is more Jaime and Brienne's conflict to resolve than it is Arya's. Honestly, we've spent enough time in the riverlands with Arya and the story can Zoom her there any night it needs to via wolf dreams.
I kinda hope that Arya will turn up at the Golden Wedding (between the Lannister and Frey). Jaime and Brienne convinced Stoneheart and the brotherhood to go there to take her revenge. Arya also goes there, disguised to exact revenge. Having both a Jaime and Arya chapter here would be cool. But Arya giving her mother a mercy kill at this wedding would be full circle for both characters, Stoneheart dies knowing Arya is still alive and Arya gives up revenge after she sees what it did to her mother.
2032, we’re still waiting for the book: “Winter is Coming for Shirei Frey” 😂
Wake up babe Quinn dropped a vid
I think a Winter is coming for the major watch/wildling characters would be great.
No animated words, simple. Voice balancing software for highs and lows. Thank you
great video
6:55 I think she is playing Shae not Sansa.
I would be interested in a "The Winds of Winter is coming for Mance Rayder or Stannis Baratheon"
I need a video about mort rn
Raf killed Lommy right when the mountain’s men captured him, Arya, Gendry and Hot Pie, after they escaped from the battle between the nights watch recruits and Amory Lorch’s men. Not at the battle of oxcross, which we never see directly
Awesome!
Question Quinn, I know once Fantasy Haeven joked saying your videos are slideshow presentations in his "ranking asoiaf UA-camrs" video, but I was wondering if they actually are because if they are they look like they are fully edited videos!
Will it also be coming out for us so we can actually read it?
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We all love Book Arya aka B'arya right? Yea she's the Brienne Travelogue in book 2/3 but the Hound/Arya thing in the show was a nice way to honor the book story but also expand Hound
Lol idk if its because I live in Jamaica and has never seen snow but I truly believe Winter ain't coming 😂😂😂😂
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Love the content! Have you considered making a video about the drugs of planetos? I have not seen much information about this online but i assume george did not just omit drug use from his story. I think its an interesting topic
I wanna see Arya come back to Westeros and run into Lady Stoneheart! Arya would want nothing but revenge, just like her. Like Lady Stoneheart, she would wanna see the Freys pay in the worst way. I believe we'd get a better version of the revenge that we saw on television! I see Arya using her Faceless Men training to lay waste to House Frey. George will write it better than I can imagine!
Arya killing Raff may actually not be against believes of the faceless men since he's part of her prayer.
Another fantastic and well crafted video thank you!
I’d love to see the winds of winter come for my sweet union knight.
Jaqen told Arya that he owes her three deaths for those she stole from the Red God. I think Arya killing for herself using the Faceless Men's training will obligate her to do a contract no matter who it is... and then a contract for Lady Stoneheart comes along.
I think you’re slightly confused vis a vis Lommy - he’s killed when the Mountain’s men find Arya in the village by the Gods Eye. The Battle of Oxcross happens in the Westerlands, and is where Stafford Lannister is killed.
Dorne! Winter ought to be coming for them, what’s going to happen with Arianne and their schemes?
9:04 Hitchcock's parrot screech alive and well.
Wasn't Arya playing Shae's role? I remember there was another girl doing the Sansa role.
Another point. Mercy slips and becomes Arya again when she kills Raff. When she says "you think so?" the chapter refers to her as Arya and not as Mercy. Then it goes back to Mercy.
I like your idea MUCH better, but any chance Arya killing someone in Westeros might have been a swerve from Martin, and he was referencing Nymeria?
Are those the new cover's for the books?
The Winds of Winter is not coming for Arya Stark. Arya Stark is coming for the Winds of Winter.
She went North because she found out she still had family up there & it wasn't under Bolton control, so could have the change there.
Is Gendry still with the Brotherhood in the books? If so that could be other interesting story bit.
Screw the whole she sees Stoneheart and gers scared of revenge, let's get some Mother-Daughter revenge bonding.
When is it coming for us tho?
I dont see her sight being taken from her as a punishment, it's rather the next step in her training. In one of the first Arya chapters in Feast she mentions there being a blind acolyte. Probably the faceless men are ok with her killing Dareon too as a deserter his life is forfeit.
Next video euron greyjoy please
We need Bran 💯
So many “insofars” this episodes ❤❤
An interesting twist might be that the Westerosi Arya in WoW .... won't be Arya from the earlier books but rather a girl wearing Arya's face