Podrick's line: "'I'm his squire,' he repeated, as the rain ran down his face, 'but he left me.'" is my favorite line in AFFC 😭 brienne and pod are the best duo
brienne is my favorite character. she stands firm against this world of cruel powerful men and petty bullies. she never gives in to cynicism or selfishness. she's an example that puts all the legit knights to shame
@@thing_under_the_stairs honestly that's one reason why i hope she doesn't get knighted. i hope she's offered a knighthood, but rejects it. for her to accept would be to legitimize the corrupt institution and let it be synonymous with righteousness… to reject it is to affirm a theme of the books: the "ser" before someone's name isn't worth anything. what defines you is your actions.
@@alexmartin3143 the men are playing war while brienne is actually doing something worthwhile: protecting the weak and defending the innocent. if you read Feast for Crows and found yourself sympathizing with Randal Tarly, i think this is probably not the fandom for you.
Let's not forget that Catelyn made a vow to Brienne: never to ask of her any task that would bring her dishonor. That vow has already been broken, so it's arguable Brienne is no longer bound to her.
Totally agreed on the proposed end point for Brienne. Her knighting was one of the few thematically rich moments in the final season of the show. Ser Jaime, one of the last of the traditional line of knights, elevating Brienne to knighthood, then dying, while Ser Brienne helps usher in a new age, would be such a fitting microcosm of everything ASOIAF is about. In winter, the old will die, but despite their mistakes and misdeeds, they identify what gives hope for a better tomorrow, the new, and protect it with what is left of their lives. Come spring, the old have died defending the promise of a better tomorrow, while the new help the flowers bloom and melt the snow, for a warmer, brighter future.
Preston Jacobs' series on Brienne is probably his best and definitely has me convinced that her story leads into the direction of breaking her oath, to kill Stoneheart like how Jaime was forced to kill Aerys II; all the oaths can contradict each other and it's totally Martin's way to show that sticking to your oaths above all else is wrong.
I always like the Winter is Coming videos. For the next block I would suggest you to the Greyjoy since they have three POVs linked togheter. Daenerys is pretty detached from the other stories, maybe you could put her alongside the Martell block. I can see Brienne ending up as Kingsguard like in the series, I hope she can see her father again at least one time. One headcanon that I have is that she’ll be the one to kill Petyr Baelish in a trail by combat so a part of Ice can kill Littlefinger in retribution for him to suggest Joffrey to kill Ned.
I personally likely to think Petyr Baelish to die like A Feast For Crows prologue. Like Littlefinger probably just desperate for Catelyn or Sansa that he just got himself killed.
Kingsguard Brienne I feel is a punishment for her if it were to be done in the books. It would be confirming all of the trash her septa told her, would see Red Ronnet's words coming true. Yes, you are ugly. No, you will never find a man who wants you, you'll be lucky to be fucked with the lights out, without any love.Yes, the only thing you are good for is fighting. Yes, you are right that your father was left with the strange daughter who will never give him heirs, that it should have been you instead of your brother that died. It would be so *cruel*, Brienne is such a romantic. She's the heir to her house, besides, and thinks of her home often, so my biggest hope for her is that she gets to go back home. Preferably with someone who loves her for who she is. Getting that knighting would be cool, but I really, really don't think it's necessary. As you say, she doesn't need it at all, she's already the best knight without it. :, )
@bellmel319 isn't that confirmed by Martin in an interview? We'll have to see if he writes it into the books explicitly but she had his shield in the shed on Tarth (mentioned in Brienne II I think)
The other person I want to survive is Davos. There is that mention of a "hero reborn from the sea" that makes me remember Davos on his rock after the battle; feels like a rebirth to me.
I am a fan of the Golden Wedding (LannisterxFray). I do think the BwB will go on a massacre there, but also that Arya will be present there as a faceless one, also with the same plan as her mother. But when she sees Stoneheart she does recognize it as her mother and gives her a mercy kill. From that point on I think Brienne will take care of her, setting Arya up for her new arc, this also gives Jaime the change to go into another route.
Winter is Coming for Rennifer Longwaters. I know I'm a broken record, but in 7 / 8 of Brienne's POVs, Red Ronnet Connington is mentioned in thought, dialogue, or seen in dreams. His tossing of the rose into Brienne's face, that abandonment and assault on her womanhood, manifests as fears that Jaime will leave her, and I think that will pop up in TWOW. And Brienne is definitely not "over" Ronnet either...he lives rent-free in her head.
I don't understand how anybody could dislike Brienne's chapters to be completely honest. I can't remember any other thing that happened in that book and I've read them like 4 times
There is something about characters in really shitty situations trying there best to do the right thing and remains good people that really speaks to me. Brienne is that in the series and after getting dune reading the Dunk and Egg stories I really vibe with the parts of Brienne's story more than I did.
I see Jaime's ending by protecting Brienne, one of the Stark kids (most likely Sansa) and his last surviving child. His ark ending with the ( good) things he does for love, Cersei, already dead by Loras Tyrell, for what she did to Maergery.
Given how many years it's been since the last book, I do genuinely worry if George might just no longer be with us before the final entry in the series is done :(
I too did not find Brienne's chapters very engaging on my first read of AFFC, however on my 2nd read years later I found them to be far more worthwhile and she really is the truest knight in this story.
Initially, first read years ago, I thought the Brienne chapters a detour from the main story. On subsequent reads, however, she has grown to become one of my favourite characters. As for the Winds of Winter, rest assured that she will be presented with choices that will put her heart in conflict with itself. And, I think she will find the honourable path in that journey.
I've never thought of Brienne killing Stoneheart but it makes a lot of sense. That would align her closer to Jamie, killing someone even when you vowed to protect her, when you see the evil she has become. And this would be a great character growth to her becoming a knight of the seven kingdoms by Jamie's sword
Finally re reading (well re listening to) feast for crows and I’m practically done. And I literally searched for Brienne on here hours ago for the exact reason you express at 5:15 because on re read she’s my favorite POV/Character next to Jamie .
Terrific video: But George is going to force her to fall in Winds of Winter, pitting her idealism and decency against (1) her love of Jaime, (2) her vows, loyalty, and service to Catelyn Stark, and (3) her own belief in vengeance. She’s been primarily motivated by vengeance herself, so how can she deny vengeance to Mother Merciless for the horrific Red Wedding, especially when Jaime also made a vow to Catelyn and fulfilling her own vows to Catelyn save Jaime’s life and allow him to fulfill his vows to Catelyn! Breanne is being forced to help Jaime lead the Red Wedding 2.0, while they are essentially both hostages of Stoneheart forcing each other to comply. Jamie will lead the massacre of most of the remaining Lannisters and many if not most of the Freys at Riverrun. Let’s also not forget the Jaime and Brienne story began in the dungeons of Riverrun. This is where they were introduced to each other by Lady Stark and sent out to King’s Landing together. -A Theory of Ice & Fire on quora
I think an important note is martin doesn’t lie about what being good and honorable does realistically. It will get you killed. Ned stark sells this notion. However martin also shows the benefit of being good which is your story will last. Most cruel characters like tywin have failed legacies with names that decay.
I think it's interesting how people like to compare Brienne to Arya because they are both female warriors, but I'm convinced that Brienne is more like Sansa. Had she been born within the beauty standards of Westeros (I'm not convinced she's actually ugly as she's treated), I think she would've been a bit more "lady like." That being said, I think she might become a beloved, protective big sister to the Stark girls if/when she finds them.
I agree with the start of the video. Although the books have their dark moments displaying the grim reality of medieval life & of people, the TV show is different n that it’s far more edgy & crass by nature of it wanting to be this stand-out small screen flick that doesn’t play by the rules. The books have far more sweet moments &, perhaps more importantly, regular day to day humanity of people which was still very present in medieval despite what some books/shows will have you think - people weren’t complete savages back, only some people; the same as today. A lot of this is just lost when the books get translated to the small screen & it’s a real shame because it leaves little room for anything but the grit & edge.
Perhaps Brienne's real quest is in eventually delivering "Oath Keeper" to a time and place where it is re-forged with "Widow's Wail". I would think that would require Jamie ("Widow's Wail is in Kings's Landing... somewhere, not being much of a stretch that Jamie would know where it is, and might take it for some reason). Brienne and Gendry to be together, likely with Jon Snow. It's my belief that "Widow's Wail and "Oath Keeper" re-forged will be "Lightbringer".
Brienne’s chapters in Feast are among my favorites in the series. The way it leans into classic fantasy tropes like slowly building up a band of adventurers on a singular quest while exploring the series’ themes is executed so well. In my mind it functions almost like a novella.
I know that Brienne isn't going to resolve the Lady Stoneheart storyline on her own. Arya's TV show ending was, "Revenge AM bad." Arya is definitely gonna be involved with Stoneheart in some way because revenge is the driving force for both of those characters.
Winter is Coming for Ramsey could be fun. I dont think he'll beat Stannis outright, but I dont know how his story will end. The North remembers? Does Jon get involved? Does Theon help somehow, earning some sort of redemtion and identity?
Prophecy is like a half-trained mule,” he complained to Jorah Mormont. “It looks as though it might be useful, but the moment you trust in it, it kicks you in the head....." While GRRM was famous getting distracted with his considerations of Aragons tax policies, he was infamous with his love of allegory...especially that of prophecy and completed series. Now we all know The Wind that was Promised was simply a mule to keep us upholding his church and preaching his gospel ... Bran 4, Jon 4, Rob 2...all sound like scripture to me. I wish Martain was that smart lol. The myth is now greater than the deeds, the theories are the new prophecies, and UA-cam is the host of the Singer of The Song of Ice,and Fire,and possible Winds... It's a great song. We are the singers. The Grand Martain Plan.
I think the pushback against Martin's complexity and nuanced characters is just as much "popular thing bad actually" as anything else. Complexity in characters and storytelling and defined good and evil aren't mutually exclusive and I think it's reductive to say they are. Making an evil character sympathetic isn't muddying the waters as to whether that character is evil, it's making that character feel whole and not just like a superficial villain.
the idea of complex characters being bad is just entirely foreign to me. if you want black-and-white characterization and morality tales, read mother goose or something and leave the adult literature for the adults.
Asoiaf has grey characters, and it has good and evil characters, the whole "pushback" is from people who haven't read the books or haven't been paying attention
I think an alternative but equally thematically rich ending for brienne would be to actually remain unknighted. Over and over again we see how corrupt and unjust the knight system is and how - as opposed to their romantic ideals if heroism that Brienne embodies - they are simply tools of violence and war used by the noble houses. So i think it would be beautiful actually if Brienne remained unknighted and thus perhaps unknowledged by the nobility and instead was known as a folk hero to the peasants, who actually come to embrace her even if shes unrecogniced by the system. Why would she need the acknowledgment of a system thats been nothing but cruel to her AND willing to rewards people like Gregor Clegane etc etc. if she can be seen as a heroic figure with out it? It would fit both with her experiences in AFFC but also perhaps be in line with the potential ending the whole series is building towards, where the surviving characters slowly turn away from the feudalistic and opressive system that has kept their world in stasis.
I think Brienne’s involvement in the second red wedding will be throwing Walder Frey into a well or the river at Riverrun, since it was her ancestor who said that he was surprised that no one had dropped Walder down a well
I had a thought the other day that maybe well known lifelong lefty GRRM might expedite Winds to somehow soothe himself and his readers in the wake of the 2024 election. I don’t know if that’s election cope or Winds cope but either way I was disappointed in myself for thinking it.
Brienne will kill stoneheart in order to save Jaime, pod and hunt. In doing so she will mirror Jaime’s arc. Just as the two parts of her arc in feast mirrorthe thematic journey of Sansa and Arya, this third journey will mirror Jaime and his journey from dishonourable knight to honourable, which began with his killing of Aerys. Instead brienne began being honourable and by right should become dishonoured by her killing of her liege but won’t become dishonourable by killing stoneheart and in a way it will be redemptive of jaimes story arch in how he never should have gotten flask over his killing of Aery, after all doing so will save innocents. Therefore brienne will be a author deconstruction of the three themes of chivalry, war and honour.
In my mind i have this fanfic where Jaime or even Brienne asks for a trial by combat to LSH, but a trial of seven like her ancestor. So they team alongside ser thoros, gendry, ser hyle hunt and even podric or ned dayne against Lem and other LSH'men. All in a similar fashion to the Ashford torney. Giving the chance for jaime to knight brienne
IMO Brienne stands as the clearest example of the inspiration GRRM took from Marvel comics. Her story of constantly getting shit on by life and choosing heroism regardless reminds me a bit of Peter Parker PS, at 0:10 the plural of 'opus' is actually 'opera'. 'magnus opus' means 'great work/labor' and operas were works of drama
I would like a video on Littlefinger. His downfall in the tv series made no sense. I wonder how you think he will be defeated in Winds (I do not see him survive up to Dream of Spring)
That is in the plural in the nominative, accusative, and vocative cases. It would be "Operum" in the genitive and "Operibus" in the dative or accusative cases.
Martin did not write his characters so much as being mixes of good and evil but as people conflicted by choices between duty and personal interest. Brienne has a noble character but she, too, has her internal conflicts.
I think it would play well into the vows and layers of loyalty theme for Brienne to kill Stoneheart in defense of one of the Stark children (probably Sansa). That Stoneheart is so mad with vegence she doesn't recognize or love the daughter who looks most like her, attacks Sansa, and Brienne kills Stoneheart in Sansa's defense.
Regarding the Tolkien comparison, I've always said the author Martin most closely resembles is Terry Pratchett, although I'm currently speedrunning a theory that he more closely resembles Fritz Leiber, Jack Vance or L. Sprague de Camp.
I don't know the others, but Pratchett...sir Terry really was wittier than george i'd say.. But then, i never really liked ranking authors. Yes of course they influenced each others, but saying Martin is better or worse than tolkien, for me is like saying Pizza is better chocalate mousse..they are completely different flavors.
@@saraa.4295 Rankings and comparisons are only valuable insofar as they reveal something about the author being compared. Pratchett built a career on pointing out knicker-lines; Martin shows you the pants aren't sitting right and invites you to draw conclusions about why.
@josephyoung2593 nice allegory ;) Though i actually think it tells you more about the reader and what he values.. For me, for example, i notice how both westeros and middle earth have a rich and detailed history that would probably fit so many more stories than one author could ever hope to write..
Personal theory: I think Stoneheart will send her regards with Jaime to the Freys. Brienne will accompany him there. After that is done, Stoneheart loses purpose and dies. Brienne will then most likely go to Sansa in the Vale if she's been revealed by then. I don't know where Jaime will go if that happens, because he will have removed a major obstacle to Stannis. He'd probably go to Casterly Rock.
At the End of Winds of Winter, Jon, Sansa and Rikkon are in Winterfell, Arya, Brienne and Jaime know about their attempt to win back Winterfell and are on their way back North. I think Lady Stonehearts final Death will be happening on that Journey, most likely in the last Chapter.
Both LotR and ASoIaF are great on their own. But if u really think like 0:22 then let me tell you, go watch Disney movies. I'm sorry to tell you life isn't a simple black and white. It's okay to enjoy a simple story, but don't cry if anyone enjoys some actual complex and realistic characters.
That comment about Cersei and Jamie swapping as adults made me laugh and think about a new fun crackpot theory: They really did swap which is why Cersei was never able to have a true born child of Robert (because she could only impregnate Jamie) and Robert never noticed because he was always drunk when he tried to have sex with her. This is also why she always thinks about what it would be like to be a man because she originally had that opportunity. To explain her walk of shame, you could say that Qyburn innovated Westerosi sex reassignment surgery, which funnily feels up his alley.
Renly wasn't a knight himself, and he wasn't a real king, so it just doesn't count lol. Not anyone can go around knighting people for their fantasy treason party like Renly did.
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Bro will get to “The Winds of Winter is coming for Moqorro” before the book releases
Moqorro rules, I'd love to do one of these for him
@@QuinnTheGMI’m just waiting for the Penny predictions
The Winds of Winter is coming for pot shop owner 26 before the book releases
@@larryadams6202 shes gonna die of the pale mare
Bro will get to "Forley Prester's Dream Of Spring" before TWOW releases.
Podrick's line: "'I'm his squire,' he repeated, as the rain ran down his face, 'but he left me.'" is my favorite line in AFFC 😭 brienne and pod are the best duo
If only Tyrion knew how much he meant to Podrick. How proud that boy was to be his squire.
brienne is my favorite character. she stands firm against this world of cruel powerful men and petty bullies. she never gives in to cynicism or selfishness. she's an example that puts all the legit knights to shame
She has true grit.
She's the only "true knight" in Westeros, by the standards of ASOIAF.
@@thing_under_the_stairs honestly that's one reason why i hope she doesn't get knighted. i hope she's offered a knighthood, but rejects it. for her to accept would be to legitimize the corrupt institution and let it be synonymous with righteousness… to reject it is to affirm a theme of the books: the "ser" before someone's name isn't worth anything. what defines you is your actions.
The men let her play war.
@@alexmartin3143 the men are playing war while brienne is actually doing something worthwhile: protecting the weak and defending the innocent.
if you read Feast for Crows and found yourself sympathizing with Randal Tarly, i think this is probably not the fandom for you.
Let's not forget that Catelyn made a vow to Brienne: never to ask of her any task that would bring her dishonor. That vow has already been broken, so it's arguable Brienne is no longer bound to her.
Also, death. Catelyn isn’t Catelyn anymore. I know the vow didn’t specify anything about death releasing Brienne from the vow, but in my mind it does.
“No chance, and no choice” is one of my favorite quotes from ASOIAF.
hell yeah.
The plural of _magnum opus_ is _magna opera._
Totally agreed on the proposed end point for Brienne. Her knighting was one of the few thematically rich moments in the final season of the show.
Ser Jaime, one of the last of the traditional line of knights, elevating Brienne to knighthood, then dying, while Ser Brienne helps usher in a new age, would be such a fitting microcosm of everything ASOIAF is about.
In winter, the old will die, but despite their mistakes and misdeeds, they identify what gives hope for a better tomorrow, the new, and protect it with what is left of their lives. Come spring, the old have died defending the promise of a better tomorrow, while the new help the flowers bloom and melt the snow, for a warmer, brighter future.
I love the name the septons gave her in Feast: Brienne of Tarth, The Warrior Maid.
Love your idea of Jaime naming Brienne as his champion in a trial by combat!
Brilliant I hadn’t thought of that!
Also first time I’ve heard that. Awesome.
Preston Jacobs' series on Brienne is probably his best and definitely has me convinced that her story leads into the direction of breaking her oath, to kill Stoneheart like how Jaime was forced to kill Aerys II; all the oaths can contradict each other and it's totally Martin's way to show that sticking to your oaths above all else is wrong.
Immediate W putting that ERB pic 🤣🤣🤣
Unfortunately I think GRRM lost that one
@@QuinnTheGMthe line about larping his santa claus ass through vietnam was crazy
@@QuinnTheGM yeah Tolkein kinda destroyed him
To be fair I don't think the ERB guys were very familiar with the books
@@QuinnTheGMYeah Tolkien kinda destroyed Martin there ngl
I always like the Winter is Coming videos. For the next block I would suggest you to the Greyjoy since they have three POVs linked togheter. Daenerys is pretty detached from the other stories, maybe you could put her alongside the Martell block.
I can see Brienne ending up as Kingsguard like in the series, I hope she can see her father again at least one time.
One headcanon that I have is that she’ll be the one to kill Petyr Baelish in a trail by combat so a part of Ice can kill Littlefinger in retribution for him to suggest Joffrey to kill Ned.
Planning on splitting the Greyjoys into two videos - Theon & Asha, Victarion & Aeron
I personally likely to think Petyr Baelish to die like A Feast For Crows prologue. Like Littlefinger probably just desperate for Catelyn or Sansa that he just got himself killed.
Kingsguard Brienne I feel is a punishment for her if it were to be done in the books. It would be confirming all of the trash her septa told her, would see Red Ronnet's words coming true. Yes, you are ugly. No, you will never find a man who wants you, you'll be lucky to be fucked with the lights out, without any love.Yes, the only thing you are good for is fighting. Yes, you are right that your father was left with the strange daughter who will never give him heirs, that it should have been you instead of your brother that died. It would be so *cruel*, Brienne is such a romantic.
She's the heir to her house, besides, and thinks of her home often, so my biggest hope for her is that she gets to go back home. Preferably with someone who loves her for who she is. Getting that knighting would be cool, but I really, really don't think it's necessary. As you say, she doesn't need it at all, she's already the best knight without it. :, )
I need more brienne and podrick. Reminds me a lot of the dunk and egg stories.
Pod secret Targaryen confirmed??
@averagefsherman R + L = P
i’m a huge believer in the theory that brienne is one of his descendants
@bellmel319 i don't know if we'll ever find out for sure but I like the subtle hints! I'm down with Grenn being a dunkling too.
@bellmel319 isn't that confirmed by Martin in an interview? We'll have to see if he writes it into the books explicitly but she had his shield in the shed on Tarth (mentioned in Brienne II I think)
The other person I want to survive is Davos. There is that mention of a "hero reborn from the sea" that makes me remember Davos on his rock after the battle; feels like a rebirth to me.
I am a fan of the Golden Wedding (LannisterxFray). I do think the BwB will go on a massacre there, but also that Arya will be present there as a faceless one, also with the same plan as her mother. But when she sees Stoneheart she does recognize it as her mother and gives her a mercy kill. From that point on I think Brienne will take care of her, setting Arya up for her new arc, this also gives Jaime the change to go into another route.
The winds of winter is coming for Varys would be extremely interesting
Winter is Coming for Rennifer Longwaters.
I know I'm a broken record, but in 7 / 8 of Brienne's POVs, Red Ronnet Connington is mentioned in thought, dialogue, or seen in dreams. His tossing of the rose into Brienne's face, that abandonment and assault on her womanhood, manifests as fears that Jaime will leave her, and I think that will pop up in TWOW. And Brienne is definitely not "over" Ronnet either...he lives rent-free in her head.
I don't understand how anybody could dislike Brienne's chapters to be completely honest. I can't remember any other thing that happened in that book and I've read them like 4 times
There is something about characters in really shitty situations trying there best to do the right thing and remains good people that really speaks to me. Brienne is that in the series and after getting dune reading the Dunk and Egg stories I really vibe with the parts of Brienne's story more than I did.
Omg thank you i was waiting for this one!
I see Jaime's ending by protecting Brienne, one of the Stark kids (most likely Sansa) and his last surviving child. His ark ending with the ( good) things he does for love, Cersei, already dead by Loras Tyrell, for what she did to Maergery.
Very underrated theory. That’s actually genius
Given how many years it's been since the last book, I do genuinely worry if George might just no longer be with us before the final entry in the series is done :(
Maybe we’ll get another Brandon Sanderson situation were that to happen. Although that may have been lightning in a bottle.
I too did not find Brienne's chapters very engaging on my first read of AFFC, however on my 2nd read years later I found them to be far more worthwhile and she really is the truest knight in this story.
When is it coming for us though?
Next week
@@QuinnTheGMWinds by 8th December confirmed?
Initially, first read years ago, I thought the Brienne chapters a detour from the main story. On subsequent reads, however, she has grown to become one of my favourite characters. As for the Winds of Winter, rest assured that she will be presented with choices that will put her heart in conflict with itself. And, I think she will find the honourable path in that journey.
Your work in this channel is amazing man, great video as always
I've never thought of Brienne killing Stoneheart but it makes a lot of sense. That would align her closer to Jamie, killing someone even when you vowed to protect her, when you see the evil she has become. And this would be a great character growth to her becoming a knight of the seven kingdoms by Jamie's sword
I need a winter is coming for barristan, I feel like this next book is gonna be huge for his character
Finally re reading (well re listening to) feast for crows and I’m practically done. And I literally searched for Brienne on here hours ago for the exact reason you express at 5:15 because on re read she’s my favorite POV/Character next to Jamie .
Winter is coming for the free folk?
ooh this could be interesting
I saw your post on Reddit while you were working on this. I feel super lucky I get to watch now 😂🎉
3:52 10 days to the release of the 5th book of Stormlight Archive, where is your winter?
Terrific video: But George is going to force her to fall in Winds of Winter, pitting her idealism and decency against (1) her love of Jaime, (2) her vows, loyalty, and service to Catelyn Stark, and (3) her own belief in vengeance.
She’s been primarily motivated by vengeance herself, so how can she deny vengeance to Mother Merciless for the horrific Red Wedding, especially when Jaime also made a vow to Catelyn and fulfilling her own vows to Catelyn save Jaime’s life and allow him to fulfill his vows to Catelyn!
Breanne is being forced to help Jaime lead the Red Wedding 2.0, while they are essentially both hostages of Stoneheart forcing each other to comply. Jamie will lead the massacre of most of the remaining Lannisters and many if not most of the Freys at Riverrun.
Let’s also not forget the Jaime and Brienne story began in the dungeons of Riverrun. This is where they were introduced to each other by Lady Stark and sent out to King’s Landing together.
-A Theory of Ice & Fire on quora
3:53 Give me the Fanfic where Jamie gives Brianne a Keyblade to find Sansa.
I think an important note is martin doesn’t lie about what being good and honorable does realistically. It will get you killed. Ned stark sells this notion. However martin also shows the benefit of being good which is your story will last. Most cruel characters like tywin have failed legacies with names that decay.
i was just rewatching the Jaime one today, spookers
I think it's interesting how people like to compare Brienne to Arya because they are both female warriors, but I'm convinced that Brienne is more like Sansa. Had she been born within the beauty standards of Westeros (I'm not convinced she's actually ugly as she's treated), I think she would've been a bit more "lady like."
That being said, I think she might become a beloved, protective big sister to the Stark girls if/when she finds them.
You did it! Thank you my glorious goat Quinn
I was really surprised when you said Brienne’s chapters are widely disliked, I love them!
Winds of Winter is coming for no one
Did not need this reality bomb today T-T
When your income relies on a deadbeat author…
lol
For Arya?Her last line in ADWD is "No one"
Like Ragnarok and Revelations, Winds of Winter is a myth we tell
I agree with the start of the video. Although the books have their dark moments displaying the grim reality of medieval life & of people, the TV show is different n that it’s far more edgy & crass by nature of it wanting to be this stand-out small screen flick that doesn’t play by the rules. The books have far more sweet moments &, perhaps more importantly, regular day to day humanity of people which was still very present in medieval despite what some books/shows will have you think - people weren’t complete savages back, only some people; the same as today. A lot of this is just lost when the books get translated to the small screen & it’s a real shame because it leaves little room for anything but the grit & edge.
Perhaps Brienne's real quest is in eventually delivering "Oath Keeper" to a time and place where it is re-forged with "Widow's Wail". I would think that would require Jamie ("Widow's Wail is in Kings's Landing... somewhere, not being much of a stretch that Jamie would know where it is, and might take it for some reason). Brienne and Gendry to be together, likely with Jon Snow. It's my belief that "Widow's Wail and "Oath Keeper" re-forged will be "Lightbringer".
Winds of winter for Ser Pounce(Azor Ahai)?
Next time on Quinn the GM
Winter is coming for Samwel Tarly
Brianne is a fabulous character. This is a great video thinking about her future. Well done
She was my favorite character in the show, I'm yet to read to the books (I'm waiting for WOW) so these videos help a lot.
The winds of Winter is coming for Ser Barriston Selmy, Gendry, Lady Stoneheart, and Jorah Mormont.
Breaks my heart that this book will never come, or won't be out even remotely soon.
George is so so so good if he got out of his own way...oh well.
Brienne’s chapters in Feast are among my favorites in the series. The way it leans into classic fantasy tropes like slowly building up a band of adventurers on a singular quest while exploring the series’ themes is executed so well. In my mind it functions almost like a novella.
I know that Brienne isn't going to resolve the Lady Stoneheart storyline on her own. Arya's TV show ending was, "Revenge AM bad." Arya is definitely gonna be involved with Stoneheart in some way because revenge is the driving force for both of those characters.
I'm still waiting for The Winds of Winter is coming for Ser Pounce.
Series finale
Brienne will be Master-At-Arms in Storm’s End to Lord Edric Baratheon once Stannis legitimises him.
Where is my the winds of winter is coming for Areo Hotah video
I’m bracing for that to be the least-viewed in this series lmao
Winter is Coming for Ramsey could be fun.
I dont think he'll beat Stannis outright, but I dont know how his story will end. The North remembers? Does Jon get involved? Does Theon help somehow, earning some sort of redemtion and identity?
Winter is coming for Sam Tarly 🏹🏴⛓️, please 🙏🏻
Prophecy is like a half-trained mule,” he complained to Jorah Mormont. “It looks as though it might be useful, but the moment you trust in it, it kicks you in the head....."
While GRRM was famous getting distracted with his considerations of Aragons tax policies, he was infamous with his love of allegory...especially that of prophecy and completed series.
Now we all know The Wind that was Promised was simply a mule to keep us upholding his church and preaching his gospel ... Bran 4, Jon 4, Rob 2...all sound like scripture to me.
I wish Martain was that smart lol.
The myth is now greater than the deeds, the theories are the new prophecies, and UA-cam is the host of the Singer of The Song of Ice,and Fire,and possible Winds...
It's a great song. We are the singers.
The Grand Martain Plan.
I think the pushback against Martin's complexity and nuanced characters is just as much "popular thing bad actually" as anything else.
Complexity in characters and storytelling and defined good and evil aren't mutually exclusive and I think it's reductive to say they are. Making an evil character sympathetic isn't muddying the waters as to whether that character is evil, it's making that character feel whole and not just like a superficial villain.
the idea of complex characters being bad is just entirely foreign to me. if you want black-and-white characterization and morality tales, read mother goose or something and leave the adult literature for the adults.
Asoiaf has grey characters, and it has good and evil characters, the whole "pushback" is from people who haven't read the books or haven't been paying attention
🅱️rienne is 🅱️rought to the 🅱️rotherhood without 🅱️anners
If she DOESN'T get knighted by the end of the series, we riot.
Traitors don't deserve knighthood
End of the series…. You sweet summer child
Looking forward to this one.
Next up: The Winds of Winter is coming for Hot Pie
I think an alternative but equally thematically rich ending for brienne would be to actually remain unknighted. Over and over again we see how corrupt and unjust the knight system is and how - as opposed to their romantic ideals if heroism that Brienne embodies - they are simply tools of violence and war used by the noble houses. So i think it would be beautiful actually if Brienne remained unknighted and thus perhaps unknowledged by the nobility and instead was known as a folk hero to the peasants, who actually come to embrace her even if shes unrecogniced by the system. Why would she need the acknowledgment of a system thats been nothing but cruel to her AND willing to rewards people like Gregor Clegane etc etc. if she can be seen as a heroic figure with out it? It would fit both with her experiences in AFFC but also perhaps be in line with the potential ending the whole series is building towards, where the surviving characters slowly turn away from the feudalistic and opressive system that has kept their world in stasis.
I think Brienne’s involvement in the second red wedding will be throwing Walder Frey into a well or the river at Riverrun, since it was her ancestor who said that he was surprised that no one had dropped Walder down a well
I had a thought the other day that maybe well known lifelong lefty GRRM might expedite Winds to somehow soothe himself and his readers in the wake of the 2024 election.
I don’t know if that’s election cope or Winds cope but either way I was disappointed in myself for thinking it.
What if instead of Godzilla it was Freakzilla and instead of destroying cities he destroyed ass?
Brienne will kill stoneheart in order to save Jaime, pod and hunt. In doing so she will mirror Jaime’s arc. Just as the two parts of her arc in feast mirrorthe thematic journey of Sansa and Arya, this third journey will mirror Jaime and his journey from dishonourable knight to honourable, which began with his killing of Aerys. Instead brienne began being honourable and by right should become dishonoured by her killing of her liege but won’t become dishonourable by killing stoneheart and in a way it will be redemptive of jaimes story arch in how he never should have gotten flask over his killing of Aery, after all doing so will save innocents. Therefore brienne will be a author deconstruction of the three themes of chivalry, war and honour.
Brandon catching strays lmao. Have you read the Stormlight Archive? I’d love to hear your thoughts on the new book when it comes out!
Sigil of House Tarth to boost the algorithm:☀️🌙☀️🌙
16:10 *Dame Brienne
In my mind i have this fanfic where Jaime or even Brienne asks for a trial by combat to LSH, but a trial of seven like her ancestor. So they team alongside ser thoros, gendry, ser hyle hunt and even podric or ned dayne against Lem and other LSH'men. All in a similar fashion to the Ashford torney. Giving the chance for jaime to knight brienne
Winter is coming for Strong Belwas next
IMO Brienne stands as the clearest example of the inspiration GRRM took from Marvel comics. Her story of constantly getting shit on by life and choosing heroism regardless reminds me a bit of Peter Parker
PS, at 0:10 the plural of 'opus' is actually 'opera'. 'magnus opus' means 'great work/labor' and operas were works of drama
winter is coming for samwell tarly! he hasn’t been in the series at all since feast i need a refresher 😅
Victarion Greyjoy when? He's my hero.
The Winds of Winter is Coming for Strong Belwas when?
I would like a video on Littlefinger. His downfall in the tv series made no sense. I wonder how you think he will be defeated in Winds (I do not see him survive up to Dream of Spring)
6:44 pod the squad god
That’s the pov we need 😢😊😊😢
The plural of Opus is Opera.
That is in the plural in the nominative, accusative, and vocative cases. It would be "Operum" in the genitive and "Operibus" in the dative or accusative cases.
i was going to say that but didnt want to be the guy to comment it twice
I would die for an ,,The Winds of Winter is Coming for Sandor Clegane´´.
Martin did not write his characters so much as being mixes of good and evil but as people conflicted by choices between duty and personal interest. Brienne has a noble character but she, too, has her internal conflicts.
I think it would play well into the vows and layers of loyalty theme for Brienne to kill Stoneheart in defense of one of the Stark children (probably Sansa). That Stoneheart is so mad with vegence she doesn't recognize or love the daughter who looks most like her, attacks Sansa, and Brienne kills Stoneheart in Sansa's defense.
Regarding the Tolkien comparison, I've always said the author Martin most closely resembles is Terry Pratchett, although I'm currently speedrunning a theory that he more closely resembles Fritz Leiber, Jack Vance or L. Sprague de Camp.
I don't know the others, but Pratchett...sir Terry really was wittier than george i'd say..
But then, i never really liked ranking authors. Yes of course they influenced each others, but saying Martin is better or worse than tolkien, for me is like saying Pizza is better chocalate mousse..they are completely different flavors.
@@saraa.4295 Rankings and comparisons are only valuable insofar as they reveal something about the author being compared. Pratchett built a career on pointing out knicker-lines; Martin shows you the pants aren't sitting right and invites you to draw conclusions about why.
@josephyoung2593 nice allegory ;)
Though i actually think it tells you more about the reader and what he values..
For me, for example, i notice how both westeros and middle earth have a rich and detailed history that would probably fit so many more stories than one author could ever hope to write..
The plural of "Magnum Opus" is "Magna Opera."
Opus is a third declension neuter word, not second declension masculine.
Personal theory: I think Stoneheart will send her regards with Jaime to the Freys. Brienne will accompany him there. After that is done, Stoneheart loses purpose and dies. Brienne will then most likely go to Sansa in the Vale if she's been revealed by then. I don't know where Jaime will go if that happens, because he will have removed a major obstacle to Stannis. He'd probably go to Casterly Rock.
At the End of Winds of Winter, Jon, Sansa and Rikkon are in Winterfell, Arya, Brienne and Jaime know about their attempt to win back Winterfell and are on their way back North. I think Lady Stonehearts final Death will be happening on that Journey, most likely in the last Chapter.
And I agree with you, I think Brienne and Jaime both survive Stoneheart in Winds, since both characters have more things to do before they die.
Your optimistim about Brienne surviving the series is inspiring. Watch Martin kill her off right away in TWoW.
I’m interested to know people’s thoughts about Oathkeeper and the parallel it creates between Brienne and Ser Galladon & the Just Maid.
"Sir Duncan the Tall" is all good.
Both LotR and ASoIaF are great on their own. But if u really think like 0:22 then let me tell you, go watch Disney movies. I'm sorry to tell you life isn't a simple black and white. It's okay to enjoy a simple story, but don't cry if anyone enjoys some actual complex and realistic characters.
Do a "Winter is Coming for Hot Pie" video, please
Need “The Winds of Winter is coming for Ser Pounce”
That comment about Cersei and Jamie swapping as adults made me laugh and think about a new fun crackpot theory:
They really did swap which is why Cersei was never able to have a true born child of Robert (because she could only impregnate Jamie) and Robert never noticed because he was always drunk when he tried to have sex with her. This is also why she always thinks about what it would be like to be a man because she originally had that opportunity.
To explain her walk of shame, you could say that Qyburn innovated Westerosi sex reassignment surgery, which funnily feels up his alley.
You can make fun of Sanderson all you want, but he’s actually still been publishing.
The Winds of Winter is Coming for everybody except us
Is it really an opus if it isn't finished? 🤔
I would like to see your point on Vectaryon, especially in ADWD.
Im confused about Brienne not being a knight was she not knighted as a part of renlys rainbow guard?
Renly wasn't a knight himself, and he wasn't a real king, so it just doesn't count lol. Not anyone can go around knighting people for their fantasy treason party like Renly did.
Why the Tolkien pic look like a STRUNG OUT DANIEL RADCLIFFE COSPLAYING AS DRACO MALFOY 😂😂😂😂