2024 Tacoma Off Road- 4 Banger Turbo...Is this your father's 4 banger turbo?
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2024
- Do semi trucks have commercial grade turbo diesel engines? Can they last hundreds of thousands of miles? How? They are built for it. Sheldon Brown, Chief Engineer for Toyota says this engine was designed as a truck engine from the ground up. The turbo is built as a commercial grade turbo designed for 50% more duty cycles. Almost 3 inch cooling hoses. This engine was tested to the same rigor as the 3.5 and 4 liter V=6 engines on the Tacoma and 4Runner. All I know is it is faster and smoother than my 2023 Off Road.
first rational video i've seen describing the 4th gen. no excessive hate or praise, just facts.
I have a 2020 Tacoma 3rd Gen. And speaking about the gear hunting, it was a nightmare on long
trips. Until I had the transmission serviced and replaced the fluid with Amsoil fluid. Made a huge difference. Doesn’t hunt for gears anymore and the shifts are so much smoother. I dont know if the actual fluid made a difference or if it was low from the factory. I now have 210,000 miles on it with no issues. I replaced the original fluid at about 80,000 miles and then again at 150,000 miles and again at 200,000. All with Amsoil fluids. No issues since the first fluid change.
The 4th generation may be faster, but historically the Turbo doesn’t last as long as a Naturally Aspirated engine.
It remains to be seen if the Turbo will last 300K miles or not.
As long as you check the vacuum lines in a turbo , change your oil if you beat the thing change earlier, and your state doesn't reach 100+ temp , btw 0-20 oil weight in Florida weather good luck.
Thank you. Love mine. All I see in comments mostly are people hating on them. It’s been nothing but a joy driving it.
All I care about when shopping for a truck is how fast it is off the line. Red light to red light is key in when I’m shopping for a truck. If you get to that light faster you’re getting there faster. I’d trade relatability for a quicker truck any day. Thank god Toyota came out with this new faster truck
I hear you, but someone is watching those tacoma racing videos! 🤣 The 4th gen won't get passed by a prius while the gas pedal is floored!
Only a few channels has made this very obvious important point!!! The 2024 Tacoma share it’s 2.4L Turbo 4cyl with the new Land Cruiser, I don’t think Toyota would put the name of the Land Cruiser at risk by using an untested engine with weak a turbo design! Unlike GM who is maximizing out its 2.7L turbo for class leading horsepower and Torque, Toyota is being conservative with power and torque for durability over the long term.
looks like a spider web of gizmos, lots of things to go wrong
Yep, fairly complex, but also a commercial aircraft, and how often do they fail? It is all about preventive maintenance, aircraft or vehicle.
From my research, this engine came out of the highlander and was reworked for the truck application. That could be a good thing depending on your perspective. Thanks for the video!
I should have said built to be turbo and not just slapping a turbo on an existing naturally aspriated engine.
@@planoman0935 All good! I think it's a good thing that it was built as a turbo engine in the Highlander and been tested. For comparison, Ford's 3.5 Ecoboost was originally naturally aspirated and then later made a turbo, and it had some growing pains. The 2.7 Ecoboost that was a turbo engine from the start has been very reliable.
*Can you check to see if your engine has a second electric water pump, radiator and cooling curcuit for the turbo and intercooler like the Japanese made T24 2.4lt engine does on the NX, LC250, and Lexus GX550 hybrid, and 2025 4runner will have?*
They left off the engine cover. I know they produce heat for that reason but why not make a fancy stamped stainless steel screened mesh cover for looks.
With what they are asking for these trucks the engines should last forever.
They probably will after working the bugs out. So far the 2.4t has been very reliable. It’s been out for several years now.
Why do people think these will be cheap
Landcruiser frame(look at the old Tacoma frame what a load of junk)
Coil springs
8peed transmission
The interesting thing they did a commercial thing by leaving the beauty cover off the engine.
The bones of this truck will hold up really well if it doesn’t rust
It will last better than the old one.
@@joeblack1052 It’s definitely designed better. The frame is a significant improvement. The interior assembly needs some work. The glove box door is an issue on some trucks.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q yeah the cab and interior will use cheaper materials
They would have to save money somewhere
The frame is now hilux standard and it a bigger truck
The hilux in crew cab configurations is not a cheap truck but it does have a 3/4 ton payload as a crew and 1 ton as a single cab
This new Tacoma has potential with the pre runner version for a cab chassis variant for a flatbed
I wonder it Toyota is eyeing up commercial customers?
Would explain some decisions
I am sure commercial operators that don’t have big towing requirements would appreciate a compact competitor to the heavy duty
Both tundra and Tacoma with the new frame have heavy duty potential.
It was interesting the designer for tundra said they used the landcruiser 70 series as the benchmark
@@joeblack1052 for some reason they see the same truck with a different engine. Don't forget the rear disc brakes which stop you significantly sooner.
A serious potential, but not yet well documented, defect is possible 2.4 turbo engine (T24A-FTS) crankshaft and/or connecting rod bearing failure. On another forum, someone who works at a Lexus dealer commented: "Weve already had 3 of the new RX with the 2.4 turbo, throw a rod out the block...same engines that are in the NX, RX, TX, the new Tacoma and new 4runner."
Not sure how many the total N or the timeframe is but 3 total is anecdotal at this point. I saw some data on this where they did engine rebulids. Toyota cannot afford to have this be true...we will see.
Looks promising . I would like to enjoy my 22 trd off road for ab9ut 15 years before I consider my next Taco . Enjoy your new Gen Tacos 👍
Will be conaping it to my son's 2023 TRD off Road! Stay tuned!
Finally someone speaking truths!!!!
It's a 4-banger screaming bloody murder to put out those hp and torque numbers. It won't stand the test of time like my silky smooth relaxed Frontier 3.8 310hp engine will. Good luck with that wee 'lil 4-banger. I've read others commenting that you have let the engine idle for a minute to let the turbo cool down after your drive. That'll get old friggin fast.
I like the frontier but didn’t like the steering and low torque numbers. If coming off a highway to a rest stop, yes, let it cool down for a minute before turning off otherwise not necessary if driving at normal street speeds for a minute before turning off.
The exact opposite is true. Your Frontier screams up grades just like the Tacoma V6 does whereas the turbo 4 in the 2024 Tacoma is relaxed going up grades: 7:15: mark:“Getting my foot into the pedal I have so much torque and it does a quick downshift. Holy cow, if you did this in the old V6 it would be screaming for it’s life just trying to get up these mountains. It would be gear hunting.” ua-cam.com/video/DoD9H1QwGo4/v-deo.html
Two years ago I was at the top of an 11,000 ft mountain in Aspen, Colorado and saw a 3rd gen tacoma driving the trails around up there. I walked some of those trails and they were no joke! Have never seen a Frontier above sea level...🤣
@@verlaryder Uh no. Effortless. Quit trying to put lipstick on your wee ‘lil 4-banger.
All those hoses will eventually need to be replaced with time. Make sure you log which hose has been replaced especially vacuum lines.
I will have a 4Runner by then...Maybe!
thats not the inlet for the turbo....thats the outlet...you can see its the pipe that goes to the intercooler......
Got it backwards. The other side is the inlet and I pointed to the outlet as you said.
There’s a lot of people bitchin about the 4T , vehicle cost , ect ….. but I remember when in 2016 a lot were bitchin about the 3 rd gen and its issues.
Change is hard for some! Some of those are the same ones that complain about gear hunting on a 3rd gen forum but swear it doesn’t happen in a 4th gen forum. 😂
I owned a 2022 trail edition . Got it for 44k.. traded it for 24 trd sport. I have yet to miss my 3rd gen.. only thing that would make laugh is people trying to open this engine up. Installing down pipes , straight turbo back lol. Like bruh this is not a race car.. but watever it’s their money do what you want with it ..
@@noxnyc23it is interesting to see what some do with their new trucks!
Historically a Turbo engine doesn’t last as long as a Naturally Aspirated engine.
@@planoman0935 “cHANge iS hArD” ok debt slave
I rented a Tacoma V6 while in Arizona and while I like the truck, the powertrain is antiquated. The transmission is lethargic and the V6 had no torque. It especially struggled at higher elevation. Regardless of it lasting a long time, It’s not a truck I’d want to live with for a long time.
I welcome the Turbo 4 and new 8 speed transmission…
The 6 speed auto transmission really holds back the V6 in my opinion. 265 lbs ft of torque at 4600 rpm does not help it from a stop versus the 317 lbs ft at 1800 in the 8 speed. Big difference.
Talk to me in about 4 or 5 years. All that heat from those turbos makes that engine run so damn hot you're going to have all kinds of check engine light look at all those hoses heating up and cracking Plus you're asking too much of a 4-cylinder motor I don't think their last too much over a hundred thousand miles.
Toyota doesn’t run that much boost. They are kind of a half turbo. 278 HP out of a 2.4 liter is not exactly stressing the engine.
I was actually surprised how little the turbo works when going easy on it and still getting a good amount of torque without struggling. On my route there are steep hills and if I take it easy going up, the turbo is spooling at like 2psi and it steadily goes without hesitating at a good pace. It doesn't even register on the turbo gauge.
Yeah, agreed. It’s hardly in boost unless needed. I drive like a grandpa so I’m not worried about it
OML boo hoo the 4 bangers better than those doggggg v6's ever were lmao
@@Early_2K
These guys don’t seem to remember all the v6 head gasket problems.
Just give me the V6 back!!
I only got 17 MPG In the city in my 3rd gen
Which is insane considering i average 16 to 16 and a half in my 2010 lx570 which is a V8 and nearly 6,000 lb.
That 4 banger is strong for now. However overtime stress on internal parts and in a heavy vehicle is a recipe for destruction. It won’t last as long as the V-6. Don’t buy it.
There is no way around the fact that there are many more components under the hood in a turbocharged engine compartment.That can cost you extra every time you need service or repair. Nissan Frontier is leading USA sales thru early 2024 by a large margin so I guess that speaks loudly about how the buying public views the new Tacomas. Not offering a normally aspirated option anywhere in the pickup line up was a big mistake by Toyota IMO.
Luckily Toyota also included two year (24K) of free maintenance and three year (36K) bumber to bumper and 5 year (60k) powertrain warranty. Not really, Tacoma just launched and they have had some production issues for several weeks which happens when retooling two factories with a new model. I highly doubt Nissan will be the leader by the end of the year.
@@planoman0935 Time will tell, with a non turbo offering and lower prices I would not be surprised if they are .
Still a four banger, hard pass. I'll stick with the tried and true V6, 4.0
Would not mind a V6 it was the transmission that needed updating! The 8 speed AT is silk!
Ohh boy, an engineer that’s “spent a lot of time in Detroit “, designing a turbo 4 cylinder engine….what could possibly go wrong? I find it amazing that Toyota seemingly did no market research into what current Taco owners would want in a future version. They simply decided to offer only a 4 banger option. At least put an engine cover over that spaghetti factory (or is that too much to ask on a $50k SR5 model)? Ughhh….
Maybe they didn't want all the past taco owners that wanted to keep their trucks for 10+ years and 300k miles...
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS ENGINE WILL LAST UNDER THAT MUCH STRESS? LETS HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY IN A COUPLE YEARS!
I believe it has been built better than the Ford Ecoboost and that has been out for 10 years without any significant issues. No way I will keep my truck that long.
I'd personally stay away from any turbo charged 4 cylinders. The longevity/reliability will be in question. The key is their new cooling system if it will be handling the constant heating from the engine especially if your payload is more, hauling, towing, off roading, constantly traveling very long distance, highway, hilly, mountain area's.
The Turbo will need replacing or major service after 50-75k miles. Toyota's 36k mile warranty is terrible in this day and age.
It has more torque, but at MUCH HIGHER RPM. More revolutions on that drive train, less of a life span.
With the added cost, and lack of enthusiasm, the new Tacoma won't be anything or sell like the 3rd gen.
What is the problem people have with 4 “bangers”
Large capacity 4s if balanced have good torque characteristics.
Fewer moving parts and cheaper maintenance.
V6 S don’t have good torque characteristics and are better for power output
Now as for turbos in gasoline engines well that is another story it would be better as a turbo diesel.
These are the same people who whined the V6 wasn't powerful enough. Pulls me and the occasional trailer just fine though
@@protocolsev I can understand the mistrust of turbo gasoline engines but other manufacturers have used them for years.
But the hate for the 4 cylinder is just stupid.
Only 4 spark plugs
Easy to maintain
And easy on gas
The big issue is not one thing it’s multiple things
Direct injection
Now needs port injection as well
2 injectors per cylinder
Plus turbo
Plus in some cases hybrid
Plus extra ratios in transmission
Now add a V6 to that mess and you have the new tundra
Which will cost an arm and a leg to fix out of warranty
I have the current 4 runner
Sure it has the V6 but only with port injection and no turbo and just 5speed transmission
See if that same truck had a turbo 4 it would be about even
The 4 being cheaper to maintain but with the added complexity of the turbo system
But with these new trucks it’s pile on everything
That is why the standard Toyota hybrid 4 with eCVT is a better proposition than this other stuff it is too complex and costly
@@protocolsev it cracks me up watching the naysayers trash these new power plants. Almost like the sky is falling hype. And, none of the ones screaming have any mechanical backgrounds or real data to draw any conclusions from😂🤷♂️