No One is Telling You the Truth About Turbocharged Cars, So I Have To
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2021
- Turbocharged car review. No One is Telling You the Truth About Turbocharged Cars, So I Have To, So I Have To, car review with Scotty Kilmer. Inline 4 cylinder turbo engine vs V6 engine, which is better? Are turbo cars better than non turbocharged cars? How turbochargers work. How V6 engines work, the pros and cons of having one in your car or truck. Why not to buy a turbocharged car. Car advice. DIY car repair with Scotty Kilmer, an auto mechanic for the last 53 years.
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Help my 2019 camry had a check engine light come on at 40000 miles help it says no connection to throttle engine and transmission go to dealer helppppp
V6 because i havent turbo charged it yet LOL
Say Scotty Kilmer what is your opinion on superchargers IE blowers/huffers? I prefer a big V-8 like a 440-426 with a tunnel ram.
Lexus NX all seem to be turbo charged I'd like to get one for my wife they seem more fun and nifty easy to handle for the ladies. Longevity and maintenance is a question.
But Scotty, the owners that buy them new, put 100,000 miles on them and then get rid of them have few problems. It's the 2nd & 3rd owners that will encounter the "too expensive to fix" problems. Then they'll be junked.
I ran into a kind of similar issue with a 09 cobalt SS I bought. The previous owner had a few aftermarket parts on it and I assume he ran it pretty hard so had a few issues. Luckily I was able to do my own repairs so saved a few dollars and was still a decent car even when I sold it at 150k miles. I think I got rid of it just in time though.
This is why I bought my first German turbo car brand new 😂. With a manual transmission too.
You’re absolutely right.
A good vehicle should last 250 to 300k miles. If you want to lease or throw away cash for a vehicle with poor longevity that's all you. Had a Mkvii Golf R and got rid of it at 40k miles. Had lots of electrical issues and liked to overheat and consume oil. It was a fun car to play with, but I need reliable transportation.
This is true for most of the "money pit" vehicles.
Nothing beats a naturally aspirated engine.
All you have to do is ask why are automakers moving to turbos. Not because they want to, but because they are being forced too thru regulations.
Because it gives a smaller more fuel efficient engine more horsepower, so you get a good balance between power and fuel economy, that’s why
Probably, Turbo engines wear out more quickly as well!
@@Riptor1998 At the cost of reliability and lifespan. They shift the burden onto the customer.
@@johnnyhall7065 Not if they are service properly, which most people do not do.
I’ve always found that durability and reliability are related to how someone drives. A very aggressive driver who mashes it to the floor every time they accelerate will have more problems and shorter engine and component life than someone who accelerates smoothly and moderately. I’ve had both turbo I4 and V6 engines, and I’ve had zero problems out of either. I am an aggressive driver but not to point of abusing the car. I make it work but I won’t hurt it. From what I can see, most modern engines are fairly reliable given good driving practices and regular maintenance.
Honda 1.5 turbo is trash gas leaks in to oil from factory and Honda says that normal
I’ve owned four turbocharged cars and drove them like they had been stolen. One was highly modified and it ate some head gaskets (you play, you pay!) but never had any problems with the others. I’m religious with maintenance and like any non turbo car you need yo take care of it.
@@Sammyhale30 Handling is the key to maintainance afterall in any kind of product. So howcome you can say it. Quick acceleration and quick braking matters alot and it is itself part of maintainance.
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If you can do the work yourself you save all of that 💰 write it off in taxes
A plain old 4-cylinder is fine for me. I want it to get me from point A to point B reliably, economically and I want it to last forever. :)
More heat, more friction and higher pressures equals less reliability. I don’t favor the 4 cylinder turbo over the naturally aspirated V-6. Time will tell if I am wrong.
That’s a good point and there’s no arguing it, but it’s still easily possible to pull up to 250k out of your average 4 cylinder turbo if you take good care of it, it also depends on who makes the car but I do think that in the broad spectrum NA V6 will run as long or longer with a lil less matinence, Turbo’d cars are just more fun, smiles per miles 😂
4cy are dime-a-dozen right now. But whatever's floats your boats.
With the advances in battery vehicles if you want a petrol car you may as well get a throw-away one.
4 cyl are easier to work on and maintain. Are you the type of person who pays people to fix your car?
Much prefer the naturally aspirated straight Six over the V6 my current one being an old 2h Toyota in a Land Cruiser flat deck truck …. Awesome motor, not for racing. That Diesel will get me out bush and back EVERY TIME ! ! !
I’ll take a naturally aspirated v6 over any turbo 4 any day even if Toyota makes a reliable turbo engine. Because naturally aspirated engines simply last longer and are less complex long term
Absolutely. Toyota screwed up dropping the v8. Big mistake.
@@talisikid1618 they dont need a v8 for the light duty trucks
@@TetraHydroCannabinolTHC no they dropped it for the tundra
I'll take a SR20 DET nissan built to last
over any v6 naturally aspirated
my 3.5 V6 runs smooth and quiet - around town i get a consistent actual 23 mpg with the ac running - it's 10 years old and it runs as good as the day i bought it - i'll keep this car till one of us dies(lol) - by the way it's a Kia Sorento and i don't give a tinkers damn what anyone says - the car has proven to work just fine - I've never regretted buying it
I like the naturally aspirated engines because you’ll have less problems.
@Coyote when built right and 'driven right' (turbocharged powertrains have a slightly different approach to how they need to be driven)
NA engines are simpler than turbos and have less issues with heat management. Turbos do get better gas mileage, are a little more fun to drive (feel that boost) and can be easily tuned for more HP if desired.
I have had cars with both. Perform regular maintenance and they can last a long time.
If I had to choose on a high mileage vehicle, I would pick the one with the NA engine.
@@ev-ezaye3580 and how is that?
@@zacharyreynolds4303 The turbo engine might be able to last long but what you're overlooking is the turbo itself can fail. Turbos don't last as long as engines. If the turbo fails you're looking at some $5,000 to replace it. Not only that it's the hassle of the replacement and the risk that the mechanic might not do the job correctly when replacing it and screw something up. Reliability and low maintenance trumps everything. There's a reason Toyota Camry and Toyota Prius don't have turbos on them. Reliability and low maintenance.
you are right and that is way in my opinion toyota doesn't put turbos in a lot of there vehicles cause it will make more problems
After owning a couple of turbo I4, I'd prefer the NA engines. Just as you said: less components, make it less complicated to repair or to figure out what's wrong. Additionally sharper throttle response is something that i prefer.
Scotty preaches to avoid turbos for longevity, i agree, so i would avoid a turbo and go with a V6.
Say that to the 1.9 Jetta TDI from 98 by Volkswagen, that can make to the 400,000 miles.
Nah
V10
2020 Honda Passport Elite AWD with NA V6. Should last a very long time with proper maintenance for whomever own it after us.
Its going to be traded in within 2 years for a 2022 Nissan Frontier Pro4x w/ a NA V6.
Sensing a trend yet?
NO TURBOS!
@@jacobkinnan4078 Isn't that a diesel engine?
Straight six beats V6 anytime. So if you like naturally aspirated, get a smooth running straight six
Unfortunately, not a lot of choices...
Volvo, 3.2liter 2008+
The Chrysler slant 6, ford and chevy straight six, especially the chevy 292 and ford 300 were absolute work horses.
Then there is the legendary jeep 4.0.
They just don't fit in modern vehicles. There are modern good v6's. No reason a v6 can't compete with a straight 6 from the engineering standpoint.
It's a shame they don't make more inline six engines with the primary and secondary stability of the engine they last forever and have crazy boost potential.
My ‘96 Land Cruiser has an I6 😬
Scotty kept it non biased in the video but we now how he really feels 😉
He's with i4 turbo right??
Say what you want about turbo failures, he really loved driving the new Type R.
Hahaha! Thats also how i feel while watching this
When I got my first car, I started out with a NA 4-cyl engine (97 Honda Accord). Sure, it was fuel efficient, however it was very anemic in terms of power. I got my first taste of a 6-cyl with my second car (95 Acura Legend). The power output was comparable to a rocket and I found myself hooked to the instant power output. Then I had a taste of brilliant engineering when I bought my first VW equipped with the venerable VR6 (97 VW Passat). That engine was ideal for a variety of reasons. The firing order was the same as an inline 6, yet the efficiency was more comparable to that of a standard 60 or 90 degree V6. The allowed for more lower end torque with reasonable fuel economy. If I drove it judiciously, I could get 29-30 MPG highway. I soon found myself buying my next VR6 powered car (03 VW GTI) after falling in love with its power. I occasionally flirted with 4-cyl engines every now and then (01 Honda CRV and 04 Nissan Altima). I then bought a 2001 VW Passat with the V6 which I absolutely loved. The engine was smooth in operation and fuel economy was reasonable. After that car was totaled, I bought a 2001 Audi A4 Quattro with the same V6 engine. I had great reliability out of my 01 Passat with 260k on the clock with original drivetrain. My first taste with forced induction was a 2014 VW Jetta TDI. Despite only being 140 Bhp, it put out 236 Lb-Ft of torque all while maintaining fuel economy of 48-58 MPG highway!! I'd still have that car today were it not for Dieselgate. I decided to take a leap of faith with a gasoline powered turbocharged engine, when I bought my 2019 VW Golf with the turbocharged 1.4L engine. It puts out 147 Bhp with 184 Lb-Ft of torque. Definitely less torque and HP compared to my previous 5 cars, however I enjoyed the fact that I get 38-40 MPG highway, 32 MPG city if I drive it like I stole it. Surprisingly, the turbo-lag is not nearly as noticeable as it was in my Jetta TDI. A great daily driver overall!! However, once you drive a 6-cyl powered vehicle, you become an addict. So I bought a 2013 S4 with a supercharged V6!! I get the best of both worlds!! Plenty of power and torque without the turbo-lag!! The fuel economy is not too shabby at 25 MPG highway, however to be very honest, it is next to impossible to drive that car judiciously!! It's begging to be driven fast and hard!!
I had a '99 and '04 Passat, both with the V6 Audi engine. It was slow off the line, but it could get up there in speed. I didn't enjoy having to get the timing belt replaced every 80-90k, but those cars were tanks! Ran solid for years with very few problems and I got 350k out of the '04.
Now I have a 4 cyl turbo Mini, the more reliable BMW engine, and I hope to drive a little responsibly so it lasts longer :)
Your mom likes it fast and hard
One of the first videos made by Scotty where he talks about Mercedes, Audi, BMW, and Porsche, and doesn't interject his catch phrase....."Endless money pit".
Scotty doesn't allow his bias to be part of these educational videos. A rare ability these days.
@@davidhoulden5791 did you miss the huge red ∅ when he brought up the Detroit 3?
I bought my Accord EX-L V-6/6MT in 2017 for the very reason that they were retiring the V-6 engine in them. I did NOT want to get a turbo I-4 because the V-6 doesn't have to work nearly as hard to put out the power, and they sound good too.
Remember to change the timing belt
@@hollowarrow16 I have a '95 Civic which also has one. IIRC the interval is seven years or 90,000 miles whichever occurs first. Thanx for the reminder.
@@hollowarrow16
My belt lasted 172k.
Honda Accord V6 multiple climates
This is the biggest misconception of the masses with little knowledge about physic. Here is why physics is important.
Did you know how that if they make the same power, they are producing work equally as hard?
So the Honda V6 made ~270 HP, the inline 4 makes ~250 HP. So by power rating, the I4 is doing less work.
@@AgonxOC And the work is dispersed over more cylinders and more space
Just took delivery of V6 RX350. Smooth and effortless. Also considered Volvo XC90 with 2 litre turbo engine. Great to drive as well. Got the Lexus though for long term reliability. No brainer.
Hello, how was the Volvo? Planning to get one now pls
Ive been using NA - I4 engine on my BMW for 13 years. Not once it breaks. Driven it like a maniac aswell tho. 210kph on highways. Excellent stock exhaust sound.
Give me a regular four cylinder. I'll just drive slower.
You sound fun. Jk😂
@@AF_1892 you have more fun going slower in most things in life 😉😉
But that line of cars behind you will start overtaking. One at a time. Harmonize without speeding. Use power to start going, then settle down.
heck yes mister!!
Life is too short to drive slow
Interesting video but It missed some details on smoothness, noise, vibrations, reliability, cost of maintenance, etc
@Fee Fee Guess most normal people dont buy cars since the v6 is going away..
@@vroomgc seems like a lot of "normal people" voted in a total knucklehead for president, lol.
I have 2021 ranger and I love it. On the ranger forums, there was some debate about these engines. A former ford engineer on the forum said that they hard-core stress test these engines over 150k miles. They don't release the model until it passes its tests. By doing these tests, they can expect the vehicle to last longer because most people don't push the limits. Also, on the forums, I see people ditching the tacoma for the ranger because they like how it feels. With me, it's ford, so I am skeptical on how long it will last me but I bought it with certified preowned with 1400 miles on it. Which is a great deal because now it comes with an extended warranty. 😀
Fix Or Repair Daily=FORD
I just bought a 2021 Honda Accord Sport 2.0T and this thing is a whip...Scotty praised the engine although he did say to stay away from the smaller 1.5T that Honda offers...Love this car...
V6 for sure! Simpler technology, less stress on the motor, and therefore longer life!
More fuel consumption in return
@@republicshallriseagain419 who cares, ops positives all trump the fuel costs in my book, just work more. Or harder.
Is not simple technology they are more complicated. And when it comes time to fix something your labor cost is gonna be he'll of a lot more than a i4
4 cylinder has two power pulses per 360 degrees of crank shaft revolution. 6 cylinder has three power pulses 8 cylinder has 4 per crank revolution. So 8 makes twice as many power pulses than4 cylinder making more useful power at lower rpm 2400 rpm comes way before 5000 rpm.less wear twice the power longer engine life
Agreed. Although you will purchase more fuel and pay a little more on labor for repair, the extra years you get before having to purchase a replacement more than makes up for it.
What about heat generated on the i4 turbos? especially with all the plastic parts? I rather stick with the boring V6 and keep ma money in da bank.
Modern turbos have oil and coolant feed lines to keep them cool and lubricate simultaneously. Some engines even have a coolant cooled exhaust manifold which further cools the already hot exhaust and even helps the cat converter. This system is awesome in cold weather because the exhaust manifold gets VERY hot quick and heats coolant quick. That's good for the engine because its warms up oil quicker, and heats up the passenger compartment a lot quicker in winter.
True dat. Back in the day when I worked at a dealership, we got a sweet top trim turbo Eclipse on a trade. That car was fun as all hell to drive but when I took it out the 1st time and then popped the hood to inspect further, as I really liked the car, the heat coming out the engine compartment was resembling more like working with a rocket engine. That can't be good for longevity.
In the winter a turbo car with a good tune would absolutely destroy a v8 the power gain you get in the winter is crazy
@@cdl34453 Cold air in a turbo is a very noticeable difference. Hence, methanol injection upgrades on turbos.
@@cdl34453 2003 Lightning here. Supercharged V8 you lose. Bonus if you drive like a normal person gets more normal gas milage. And it can tow stuff!
My wife wanted a 4cyl turbo 2013 Peugeot 508 and I love the looks of it to be honest but knew we'd have to be waaay careful and sharp with expensive maintenance to probably keep it running for a while...we're going instead for a 2014 Maxima and I feel a lot more confident.
Gotta pay to play. Turbo and superchargers are a blessing 🙏 ✨ 🙌
I like the ones that don't need replaced before 50k (Hyundai and Kia) or the ones that GM make that always blow gaskets.
i prefer the simpler superchargers.
I think their a curse . I hope they disappear from passenger cars soon . They are high maintenance. I hope that they will be a footnote in history like the early steam cars until electric vehicles get the tech right.
I will take the V6 non-turbo engine.
Then get murdered by an 1000hp evo on 50 lbs
Turbo Honda(Acura), Toyota(real or Lexus) or turbo diesel are the only reliable turbo powered vehicles in my humble opinion. Also, I think the inline 6 turbo engines are better than v6 turbos. To bad the list of 4 cylinder fast cars missed the 310hp/290ftlbs Subaru STI when the Lancer Evo was mentioned. The STI S209 variant actually hits a womping 341hp/330ftlbs!
Isuzu makes also good turbo diesel engines.
@@vrterl9850 I agree, some of the best. :)
Off topic the Mercedes OM 617 diesel 5 cylinder is a legend
BMW b series engines are fantastic
VW/Audi 2.0 TSI engines barely became average until late into its 3rd generation (past 4 years lol). They would have been way more reliable if they just used better timing chain tensioners, piston rings, and didn't use screens to filter the oil to the balance shafts in earlier versions. Otherwise, they do have a very strong bottom end and are quite tuneable. Also very smooth for 4 cylinder engines. Mercedes 4 cylinders vibrate more.
These are some of my favorite Scotty Videos. Great job!!
I drive a 3.5 ecoboost F150 and love it. I'm 65 yrs old and have been driving PUs since I was 20. This truck has gobs of power and torque, and gets great mpg, best milage I've ever gotten in a pickup. Longevity depends on maintenance, bad or non existent oil changes/fluid changes = trouble in any engine.
V6 any day. That instant torque and sound can’t be beat by a turbo i4.
And that's why I chose the 3.7 instead of the 2.3 for my Mustang. AND...I still get 29 to 30 miles per gallon!
/HOW many times have we heard Scotty complain about turbos? About how they wear out before their time?
//I rest my case!
V6s don’t have as much low end or instant torque as a turbo or supercharged
Change the differential gear in an four cylinder and you have lots of fun. Do the same with a six and you have more fun.
@@mutantryeff could you elaborate differential gear? Are you referring to regearing the transmission
@@naveenthemachine rear end diff. Change to a .411 or something like that.
I just like the fact that I can easily change my spark plugs and coil packs in a 4 cylinder. But the gas milage is also a plus
i have a stinger with the 4 cylinder. plugs and coils on the front, electric water pump right there in the front, plenty of room to work. And 10 year powertrain warranty.
Front wheel drive V-6 minivans are the worst.
I didn't know there was another me!
Yea spark plug change in wifes Cx5 takes minutes...plugs on v6 ES 350...so much more work.
I'd like a Cx9 to replace Cx5 but turbo 4cyl longevity worries me.
Depending on space in the engine bay even V8s are easy to change. More expensive if you're changing all of them though.
I will always love that supercharged v6 my Pontiac Grand prix gtp had. It would throw you back in your seat and looked great too. Can't wait for the Mazda 6 remake with i6!
Hi Scotty , I have a Kia Seltos SX 1.6 4i turbocharge engine … do I need to let it idle for a couple of mins after use ?
One issue that I've NEVER heard mentioned anywhere. One of the worst things that you can do to ANY turbocharged motor is not allowing it cool down by idling for a couple of minutes before shutting the motor off, especially after hard driving or towing. A turbo timer is always a win-win option. The turbine is still spinning even after the motor is turned off and the oil supply is also stopped and that caused coak (hardened sludge) to build up around the turbine shaft bearing which starves the turbo from being lubricated properly.
They're water cooled now, this is a non issue in modern turbo'd cars
@@ifixthings86 Very true but still creeps me out killing the ignition without idling especially right after some spirited driving.
I believe modern engines have a small electric oil pump to circulate oil through the turbo to cool it after shutdown.
Modern turbos don’t have this problem. Water cooled and the water pump stays on for 30 seconds after you turn the car off to cool it down.
In-line 6 all day there’s a reason 2JZ is so good. As well as gm atlas 4.2
I Love straight 6 engines. They are Torque monsters.
For me, gotta go with the V6 Turbo in my 1987 Buick Grand National with a 6466 Precision running 25# of Boost
And Mercedes M103/M104/OM606 😏 the last one if it is a turbo version is capable of 600WHP without touching the engine internals 🤯
2jz is king in the tuner world, and that stock 6 speed tranny in the supra can handle up to 800-900hp what a champ. 2nd most used/respected is nissans skyline inline 6. yeah, inline 6’s are great.
just bought an 06 is350 and WOW. What a car toyota made. I'm so happy I went with a lexus I can afford while still getting big power and reliability. Your video helped me decide too scotty. Thank you!
Bone stock b16 with a 57mm turbo and bigger injectors took whp from 160 to 280. It's very, very fun. Been 18 months and loving it.
2000 em1 electron pearl blue civic.
I bought a car last October. I chose a naturally aspirated V8 with only 240 hp, but it's one of the simplest, longest running, most reliable engine ever made. I'll stick with naturally aspirated and be happy with boring long-term reliability & longevity.
P. S. My car was an extremely low mileage, used, Lincoln Town Car.
Smart right...I guess anyway. I recently did similar though it's a v6 with over 300hp (high rpm however). The point though is that hopefully it's built to last if taken care of and kept at low rpm. I can get over 30mpg on the highway easily too. Almost always keeping revs below 2500 even on steep hills. That Lincoln can probably do hills below 2000. Maybe we are wrong and times have changed enough but high rpm = less durable has always been the rule in my lifetime.
Sorry. Life's too short to not have any fun.
@@aaronbrown6266 I would say life's too short to be broken down on the side of the road, but I bought a 2020 Mazda MX-5 for my fun car, also naturally aspirated. 😀
@@jetson2075 - Next to your wife! 😉😁🤣
I wonder. Can a Lincoln Town Car actually be boring? I'd take one of those any day
I love the V6 engine in my 2006 Mustang. I bought my car new, and in the past 15 years the only thing I have had to replace was the water pump.
Turbo was invented by the Swiss,VOLVO KNOWS TURBO!!
@@rayoliver6807 The turbo was indeed invented by the Swiss but Volvo is a Swedish company that is now owned by a Chinese company (the Zheijiang Geely Holding Group).
@@rayoliver6807 No way, turbo charged engines went back as far as the WWII fighter plane engine like the Pratt & Whitney RW2800 in the P47 Thunderbolt.
V6 for longevity, pushing 4 cylinders to do the work of 6 only wears out the engine. I rarely see a turbo engine last 300 000km but many V6 last over 300k km
keep a car that long? Hell no..
@@erickwalker11 in Balkans cars that have 300 000km are like new
turbo engines tend to rev lower, especially on the highway., altho, yes 4cyl have to do more work, engine revs have far more of an impact on engine life then all other factors. most turbo 4's rev way below 2k rpm on the highway, while you would be hard pressed to find a v6 that revs below 2k.
i mention this cuz ive seen turbo 4's go crazy mileage, and ive also seen v6's blow up under 100,000km's. me thinks that peiople that own turbo cars tend to drive them more aggressively, so its not what people think.
I recently bought a used 2016 Audi A3 1.8T, put a tune on it for more power and torque. With in 5k miles the exhaust turbine broke clean off, sending a bunch of smoke out the exhaust. Replaced the turbo and removed the tune. Live and learn. The Audi is much more fun to drive than my Camry.
I prefer the V6 because I look for longevity and simplicity of maintaining! I’m not sure why most drivers race from stop light to the next anyhow!
Small minds are excited about little things, Like racing in a 25mph speed Zone 📉🔥🧐🤣.
I encounter these racers daily. Maybe they think they can get there sooner :)
It's called fun ya ol stick in da mud hahaha
Race race to the next stop light & stay there waiting for green😖😖😖😖😖😖
3:22 "some people say to stay away from I4 turbos"
Meanwhile scotty behind the screen is screaming with his hands feruoisly! 😂😂😂😂
lets the peasents drive I4s to save the planet, while I rev up
Furiously?
Scotty narrating: “some people” say stay away from modern turbo charged engines
Also Scotty: stay away from turbo charged engines
Lol
Love turbo engines gas an diesel
Translation: "I don't know how to work on turbocharged engines."
@@robsolf
No offence to Scotty but he likes vehicles with sudden failures, straight forward diagnosis, quick simple repairs.
Turbo repair, replacements would take a long time to tear down, rusted solid bolts & components, a lot of plastic components (fuel injectors, coil packs) degraded, stuck in place and breaks while removing 😬, have a lot of parts all over the place, clean up parts before reinstallation, some parts may be ob$olete, can't replace, replacement parts are substandard quality but still $ 😁, then you get it all back together and still doesn't run right. 🤬
But I've only worked on cars, trucks, tractors, motorsickles, lawn mowers for 45 years. 🤔
To turbo a car cost money for any engine. So cost is not the real problem. The real problem is what is faster. stronger. and reliable. I want a v8 that could give me 30 mpg( corvette)
Love the smoothness of the I6 over v6 and any 4 banger.
Love my Focus ST. The small turbo delivers power instantly. I'll hit 140mph no problem. Get 40mpg at 55mph. 34mpg at 70mph. 4cyl turbo all day.
I have a new Mk7.5 VW GTI with the manual. Turbo kicks in nice when it's not summer in Arizona. Also love turbo sounds and that alone makes up for the V8 sound I truly miss from my last car.
Supercharged v8 whine for the win. Ppl scoot away to the side after a few rips. Move. In a stupid car I have to just eat it stuck behind a slow driver.
@@AF_1892 what, by your definition, is a stupid car lol
@@Dcc357 turbo sound is phenomenal. I'll always miss my 86 Mustang v8 sound but this is a different kind of fun!
V6. The turbo is going to wear engine out. I choose dependability and longevity.
especially with the over pricing of vehicles today
I have a turbo 4cyl that I absolutely abuse almost every day and it’s still chugging at 350k miles
What make and model year ?
@@breaddropper3900 2003 vw Jetta tdi alh
@@masonspears1378 it's not a modern turbo
@@jaunramirez3742 actually it is it’s a 2020 model vnt 17 making 35 psi
@@masonspears1378 you said it was a 2003 not 2020.
Im more than happy with my normal asprirated V8 in my Merc thank you, turbo's justs put more pressure and strain on an engine and who wants the hassle of a turbo letting go , for me no need for one
I could not be happier than I am with my 17 year old, 3.4 liter V6 Toyota Tacoma. That's all I know. It is reliable, doesn't run hot, always runs no matter how cold it gets in the frigid northeast, and I don't usually tow very much, but it has towed anything I need it to without a hiccup. Amazing off road and in snow and ice also. Better than any other truck I have owned.
I love still having a V-8. Plus, it sounds damn pretty cool; naturally.
And they're so much smoother
Specially the LS engines Thay are super easy to rebuild and it's so powerful and i call them the toy-track engines
At least European v8s sound nice
@@ogalief I certainly feel "smoother" driving my Cadillac. ;-) LOL!
My Chevy 4.8 8 cylinder sounds pretty damn good, love the pur
This is exactly what I needed thank you!! 🙏
I have 243000 miles on my 2010 Ford taurus SHO with a 3.5 litre twin Turbo ecoboost. No problems to date. Wonderful engine, and I believe it was the 1st year for that engine .
Are your turbos original?
Yes
*Nothing beats a natural aspirated engine in my book*
Until you get passed by a turbocharged engine 😂🤘
I completely agree. The most important aspect of any engine for me, assuming it meets my needs, is reliability and longevity. There is no free power. Something few people pay attention to is horsepower to displacement ratio. High HP in small displacement motors will be fun while they last, but they won’t last long. Be sure to lease - not buy. And never buy used.
@@TerrenceLP until that vtec kicks in yo
I feel the same way you do
Naturally Aspirated engine any day. Turbo's are fun soo are superchargers, but they can't beat the reliability of naturally aspirated engine.
amazing stuff Scotty.
Love my 22 year old supercharged 3800
@@JR-uy3zo how many miles/kms on it ?
@@baneh6727 have one with 180 thousand and another with 250 thousand. Seen one with 325 thousand. Run forever. Pontiac grand prix 3.8
reliability can be the exact same just depends on the brand. ford ecoboost brand is well known to have over 200k original turbo and motor no problem same with alot of otherbrands in 2021. the thing about turbo engine is how you maintain them like you cant neglect turbo cars at all they will die while you can neglect a na vehicle and itll run a long time. if you maintain it exactly to spec most modern turbo i4 and turbo v6 will last longer than 200k no problem if not 300k like a bunch have.
There's a lot of turbo charged transport trucks with lots of reliable miles on them.
Hi Scotty, thanks for the great video. I have a 2018 VW Passat with the 2.0 liter turbo engine, We love the car; it gets 40 mpg on the highway and has plenty of pep when you step on the gas. We don't drive the car hard. VW recommends changing the oil at 9,000 miles, but you have to use their expensive special oil. Would I better off just using a good synthetic like Mobile One and changing the oil at 5,000? Also, when we are just cruising on the highway, is the turbo working all the time or does it disengage while there is less demand?
I bought my wife a 2018 Equinox with 2.0T engine. I finally drove it last night. I was really surprised how fast it accelerated. Not as fast as my Camaro 2SS was with the 400 hp 6.2 but I was impressed. My wife doesn't drive fast but I told her to be cautious this winter. Even in AWD it might get loose. Hopefully the traction control will keep her out of trouble.
Those performance numbers are amazing. Metallurgy and precision manufacturing have come a long way since the Corvette v8 was sold with less than 200 horsepower. And almost anything today can double or triple the lifespan of those old cars that struggled to get to 60k.
Obviously you know nothing about cars !
We knew plenty about metallurgy, it was exhaust emissions and production costs that were responsible for the low output. Today's cars last so much longer because today's motor oil is, in most ways, so much better. They would NOT be lasting so long if motor oil was the same as it was in the 70s and before.
I prefer reliability and longevity over power. Downfall of the V6 is the cost of labor for the transverse configuration.
@Mos' Nefarious just as well as it's going to be stripped down.
I'd say it's because of increased production costs of making a more complex engine.
The transverse configuration has been around for decades; in fact, its cheaper to build front wheel driven cars because the entire drivetrain is installed as one unit.....being V6 or an I4 doesn't matter in that aspect.
Reason I chose a Chrysler with motor sittin straight and frd. Easy to repair when needed and not often.
Volvo 3.2 is Transverse mounted Straight six....
I've got a 2015 Alum body F150. Aspirated 6cyl.
When a bought it new, I had a short list of requirements.
6cyl aspirated
Tow package including trans cooling
Crew cab
and a few creature comforts. Basically mid-level.
At 160,000 miles - I absolutely love this truck!
5% of my miles have been towing. Half that near the 6,500lb tow limit.
80% have been highway miles. 21mpg was the norm.
I recently retired and my milage has dropped to 19mpg because I'm now doing 50% local driving. Still pretty good from that size truck. It may drop farther because towing will become a higher percent of the miles once I move to my farmette.
My first repair was last month. Cam position solenoid. $1,000. Up till then only oil & filters, brakes, and tires (100,000 miles on the factory tires). Bought the same tires and they look great with 60k miles on them.
Same with brakes. Amazing long life. I do my own brakes and the electric parking brake is a pain. But once every 100k I'll be fine with that.
I didn't go with turbo because of the unknown maintainence potentials. A friend of my works in a parts supply warehouse and told me the turbo would most likely be fine, but if I kept it long enough it might become very expensive on the back end.
Hoping to hit 250k miles over the next 6 years. Then the grandson can have it, and maybe his younger brother can learn with too.
I love my turbo 4 banger in my mustang after some bolt ons and a pro tune (with just an upgraded intercooler and air intake I'm pushing 300hp at the wheels) but v6's sound better and have less parts prone to failure. In the mustang I'd pick the 4 cylinder over the v6 every time but the average turbo 4 cylinder vs the average v6 I'd have to pick the v6.
I had a manual transmission Nissan with a 3.0L turbocharged straight six which sounded great and had 320 KW at all four wheels. It was fast and good on the track but at the traffic lights unless I gave it a bootfull of revs (with accompanying over dramatic sound effects) it would be outdragged by a bog standard auto Honda Civic. On the other hand my E46 BMW with an n/a straight six goes well and is nice to drive in traffic.
Yeah I like my two old Mercedes I6, the sound is great 🤯😏
V6 all day. Turbo 4's won't last due to high pressure and more strain on all the parts and seals.
Have you ever heard of Volvo? If you have a strong engine and put a turbo on it, you get a strong motor with more power. I had several that ran great with 150K miles, I have seen them go up to 300K.
i got a tt mk1
@@danielselinger8209 16 S3 here wassup VAG fam
@@richardweinberger2756 my sons' Focus has a turbo and the bearing is shot at 120k. £1200 part, the car was only £3000. The engine is fine, but that's beside the point. You see what I'm saying?
@@richardweinberger2756 outliers don't define the norm. In general my statement holds water.
I'd love to see more V6 cars but that would mean going used which introduces other issues with again tech, sensors, and components that will get harder to use over time. Not to mention used v6 engines are only as good as the previous owner, and some owners spent their time with theirs using extended OCI's, conventional oil and cheapo filters, and shoving regular in it when premium was preferred.
Most manufactureres are moving away from V6's, which is sad but here's to hoping a few keep the 6 alive.
Love my I-4, 2.0L turbo pumping out 340HP. Full bolt in stage 2 system in a VW GTI. If it blows up, oh well.
Can't beat the sound of a Ford Cosworth Capri NA 3.4 V6 @ 9000RPM with 450Hp on tap.
Actually, I prefer v8, I loved my crown vic
Good insight!
1. Be thankful you drive any of them
2. Take care of them they will take care of you
3. Repeat lines 1 and 2
I would go only for Turbocharged engines compared to naturally aspirated engines, because of the increase of power and torque. If you compare a 2.0 vs a 2.0t or 3.0 vs 3.0t the difference in the power output is huge, hence the choice is really simple in my opinion.
As long as you take a look on the deepstick each 1000km you will be fine with a turbocharged engine and be able to enjoy the power and torque.
Wrong.
@@frankkirkman5994 he's spot on
Scotty's regular videos voice is like turbo engines, power is up and down, and sometimes, it has a turbo lag, on Friday's educational videos his voice is like naturally aspirated engines, smooth and it relaxes you.
The more you know😜
@@robertdilullo6765 Or maybe he makes Friday's videos after he has had some tequila 😜
Is everyone forgetting that these turbo charged engines are also made with stronger parts to handle the extra load from the turbos and that as long as u change the oil every 3k to 5k miles these engines can last along time. I love my tt v6 it’s been problem free for 13k miles. I’ve had a 5.0 that at 10k gave me the famous type writer tick and I did oil changes every 3 to 5 miles as well. I think modern engines are good but it’s up to the owner keep up with the maintenance that will make the car last a long time. Then again buying a car is like playing the lottery and you don’t know how gd it is until you own it for years.
Same here. Currently have a first gen Coyote 5.0 in my Mustang and a new 2.0 Ecoboost Escape. Oil is cheap and I'm changing the oil early since I hear turbos are hard on the oil.
explain why when I replaced both turbos on one of several ecoSHIT v6 cars, one of the turbos grenades after 80 miles.... I know why but do u??
@@tonyblackburn5002 poor maintenance comes to mind. Modern turbos can last 300,000+ miles easily.
@@kennetho5393 not the junk turbos Ford uses.
@@tonyblackburn5002 I dunno maybe take care of your car better
2.0 turbo 4cyl every time. Nowadays with modern turbocharger set ups they really are phenomenal. I own an ea888 2.0 tsi in my cupra 290 and its a phenomenal engine. Cool video👍
I test drove some vehicles lately, and one that really stood out to me was the Subaru ascent, it’s an SUV that seats seven yet if only has a 2.4L turbo 4 cylinder boxer engine. I was very surprised by the substantial power it had though. The 6 cylinder vw atlas by comparison actually felt sluggish.
Just don't tow anything with that acscent unless you want a new engine lol
@@joenaps104 yeah I wouldn’t trust a 4 cylinder for towing too much either.
My 455 olds engine was Cool ..When I hit the 4 barrel I could watch my Fuel gauge go down .But gas was only $0.85 a gallon back then .so that was ok
Yes sir, my 1st car was a Cutlass Supreme with the 455 Rocket, stock it would pull hills at 120mph. But I couldn't keep rear tires on it 🙄😂
Actually. $0.85 in mid 70s is about the same as we pay now, adjusted for inflation.
@@talisikid1618 That's true, but now 30 mpg is common
I had a ski boat with that engine in the ‘80s
Use e85
V8 or V6 naturally aspirated are much better.
V 8 for sure.
yeah lets just put heavy v8 enignes in fwd eco cars XD
What's old is new again. It was Chrysler in the 1980s push the turbo charged fours with the 2.2L. They were no joke in the performance department. My brother in law brought a Dodge Omni GLH home from the Proving Grounds. We were out screwing around with it when we got challenged by Fox body Mustang 5.0. That guy got embarrassed. The big problem with them and one of the reasons they where discontinued was the turbos tended to over heat at shutdown cooking the oil in the bearings.
turbos are fun but tricky when I had one I ran premium as the manual suggested and full synthetic oil with regular changes. Always wondered about a turbo blanket. Said screw it after a rock tookout the turbo and went NA
If you love your turbo it will last as long as a V6, that's just my experience. The most common failures I've seen with turbo cars and with v6 engines are mostly attributed to abuse and lack of maintenance. Pick whatever you want!
Define abuse lol
@@americandream7419 Almost No maintenance.
How to maintain turbo
@@sapphireeniigma-8027 the same way you maintain v6 engine, but get the maintenance done from who has turbo knowledge.
@@sapphireeniigma-8027 First off use synthetic motor oil and change it often and 2nd after running it hot let it sit idle for 20 sec when u park to let the turbo cool down before shutting off the engine. But thats only if u run it hard, like I do :)
I own one of each, a 2.0 L in a MKC 2017 and a 2015 v 6 mustang, both strong engines, I’m old school V6 for me
I miss original Ford LTD II 3.8 v6 rear wheel drive!
I've got a 1.6 ep2.
Slapped a turbo on for extra grunt only pushed 5-7 psi
My motor had 90k miles on before I turboed it.
Now has 150k and still running fine.
Passes Mots (UK)
Gotcha Scotty 😌 you way over simplified this explanation on the diff between turbo4's and V6's 🤷🏾♂️😉🙋🏾♂️
Fascinating watch, would've been interesting to include some of the more unique V6s in this comparison like VW's VR6 with its narrower angle and single head that keeps the weight down - not as compact as an inline 4 obv but getting there. All being said I'll take neither, I'll stick with my longitudinal inline 5cyl turbo quattro with it's awesome sound (harmonics of a major third) but downside is the some of the weight hanging out beyond the front axle.
Harmonics of a major third ?!?!? Oh damn I’m a musician and I wanna hear this now
@@tagapiouplayz3737 Just search for the classic Audi Sport Quattro S1 Group B rally car and you'll get to hear the audiophile!
I'll stay with a naturally aspirated V8 engine on full sized pickup trucks. Thank you very much.
One of his better videos. Unbiased, informative, and a lot quieter. Please stick with this format, Scotty.
Currently driving a turbo 4.
Enough power to be fun, it's fuel efficient and bought it brand new so warranty lol
I miss naturally aspirated v8s
I am so happy that Lexus still offers a decent amount of NA V8s in their cars (LC 500, IS 500, RCF, LX570, GX460). I don't know for how much longer.
I prefer which ever is the most reliable. Probably why I chose to buy a 2020 4Runner with the 4.0L V6.
Interesting. What kind of MPG do you get? For years I've heard the 4Runner is very reliable. Do you have 4WD?
@@namvet1968 I've been getting 15mpg in the city and averaged a round trip 20mpg on the highway with a trailer through the hills a few weeks back. My 4Runner is a Limited model that has full time 4wd (it uses a Torsen Center Transfer Case).
I think it comes downs to your needs and what ultimately is available for the car you want. Haven’t owned either but I did go from a naturally aspirated 2.0L 4 cylinder Honda Civic Si to a natural aspirated 5.0L V8 Hyundai Genesis. I do love the V8 for its smooth 420 horsepower and 383lb of torque. And I’ve tried the V6 version and the 3.3 twin turbo V6. All are great but I choice the V8 cause well it’s a V8.
I was considering a 2018 Genesis but was afraid of the hyundai engine issues. Obviously you like yours...
I have a 2003 Toyota Matrix with a supercharged 1.8l 4 cylinder that has had a rebuild with a few extra bits to boost power. No turbo lag here and all the power I need... For now.
I own a 1971 Dodge Dart Swinger with a slant 6. I plan to stick with it.
I was at an SAE conference back in the early 2000's. Several papers were presented , on how to meet future emissions and fuel economy. The conclusion was a turbo engine was the way to go. Thus the abundance of turbo engines.
the sad truth....also the reason why electric cars are being pushed.
But what about a turbo charged v6? Such as the 2.7l. You get both turbo charger and v6. I would think it would be more reliable since it is a v6. Would that be a better option over the 4 silly?
Great information!
I prefer my V6/V8 etc non turbo engines
Once you get into boost you'll never go back to N/A.
You should try a boosted V8 - mind blowing!
I agree turbo noises are addicting, negating most fuel efficiency gains in my experience. Especially in these modern turbo cars that hit boost low in the rpms.
@@snakehead324 Yep. I have the 2.0 EB in an Escape. Lag is short and it's all strong, linear pull from about 1800 to the redline. But when you use it, you get V8 gas mileage. It will do eco, it will do boost, but it doesn't do both at the same time.
Properly built V8s make Turbochargers and even Superchargers save for diesel engines and certain specialized applications unnecessary. As they say "No replacement for displacement" .
False
The only concern I have with the turbo charged GDTI engines is the buildup of carbon on the intake valves. The addition of port injection can solve this problem, but that only exist in the 2.7 and 3.5 L engines on the Ford side. As far as I’m aware the 2.3 L engine in the Ranger that was adopted from car and small SUV service is still direct injection only.
That was a problem a decade ago not so much now.
@@selfoblivionalex6262 Really? Because it’s all over FTM’s channel. The only fix remains port injection as a supplemental method - this also improves the power band, so there’s a dual benefit.
@@DawgatorToyota engines have dual fuel injectors. Port and direct injection. The computer alternately runs direct or port injection.
I am so glad I came across this channel. Scotty Kilmer is a national treasure, I could listen to him all day long.
😂you're funny
Saying a turbo car is definitely less reliable when in reality it’s all about how your cars tuned
I have always loved the sound and reliability of my 3.0L vulcan v6 in my ranger.
Buying a used car with a turbo is flip a coin. Turbos put much more wear and tear on an engine's life so buyer beware. Better check to see how much replacing a blown turbo will be. Start saving up.
I’ve had great service from my ‘91 2.0 Mitsubishi turbo-4 (4G63). Purchased new, still drive it daily ... Orig. turbo, and head has never been off.
Mobil1 since new, and timing belt and water pump every 60k ...