HTC VIVE PRO 2 REVIEW - Should You Upgrade? - Full MRTV Video Review (Reverb G2 & Index Comparison)
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- And here it finally is! The full MRTV Vive Pro 2 Video Review! Is it worth the upgrade? How does the Pro 2 compare against Reverb G2 and Valve Index? All and more in this comprehensive video review!
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Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:40 Build Quality & Comfort
03:50 Visuals (Panels / Clarity / Colors)
05:31 FOV
08:21 Lenses (Godrays / Sweetspot)
11:23 Audio
13:04 Microphone
15:04 Controllers
16:01 Performance
19:23 Conclusion
20:27 Should You Upgrade from Valve Index?
21:32 Should You Upgrade from Reverb G2?
22:04 Should You Upgrade From Vive, Vive Pro, Cosmos?
22:37 Should You Upgrade from Pimax?
23:11 Should You Upgrade from Quest 1/2?
23:37 Solid Update
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Is the Pro 2 worth it for you? Please let me know!
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I think hp g2 is better
From 4300 to 4800 is not big change
It looks like it will be worth it for me upgrading from original Vive. Better FOV, better resolution that supports wirelless? Yes please. I've been waiting for this so long.
Anyway, you're suggesting getting Quest 2 facepad for Vive Pro 2? How does it fit?
Make news about no mans sky being first DLSS VR game ever after it latests update!
@@jjeeqq Actually Into the Radius was the first VR game to implement DLSS. No Man's Sky was close enough, but not first. :)
www.roadtovr.com/into-the-radius-vr-nvidia-dlss/
When does this ship ? Today ?
An excellent review covering all bases and even including benchmarks was a nice bonus!
Thank you for the review! I liked the comparison in the end whether one should update depending on the current headset in use.
now THAT was a solid review. nice work. the people who want to get into VR who find this stuff are lucky and served very well. good job
Thanks for the full review! Still waiting on shipping confirmation for my pre-order, but my Knuckles will be here tomorrow.
Same here, waiting on shipping confirmation. HTC rep told me via email support that they start shipments on the 3rd, and ship based on your place in the pre-order queue. I ordered day 1, so he said I should get mine by this weekend.
Thank you very much, best review so far about pro 2!
Great video. I appreciate your thoughts for all of the different owners of current headsets.
Excellent review, made me think about what to do with my current Vive 1 paperweight. Loving the Taipei shirt- we're located in Taipei! Keep up the great content!
Awesome review MRTV! Lots of helpful information on your video. Probably worth it for me.
I dont know why everyone says: Its only a good idea if you already own lighthouse. I am happy to finally go to lighthouse. I never wanted to go to the Index from the Reverb(G1) because the Index has a too small resolution, but this is finally a good reason to leave those clumsy HP controllers behind me and get a good tracking and a wider FOV
Really great quality review.
great review, thank you.
Thank you for this amazing review 👌 keep it up Sebastian.
You are welcome!
What about eye tracking and mouth tracking?
I know they are upgrade modules, which is disheartening, but is there more information on them?
Yes, they all are available. I will test it all out.
wat? The pro 2 is literally the same as the pro. The facial tracker will work EXACTLY the same as it does on the pro...
Great cut and presentation!
Damn good review 👍.
Interested in your wireless tests! Be thanks for the review!
Upgrading from an OG Vive and very excited. Have the knuckles and wireless adapter also.
I bought 2 vive's and like their controllers and the lighthouse stuff for like 100 bucks. what would be the investment to bring it to the modern?
Great review and video! Now let me tell you a cautionary tale: Interestingly I just got my Pro 2 on Friday and was very excited. I set it up and everything was easy since I had set up Vive headsets before (Vive 1 and Elite) I played Gun Club and was happy enough, didn't notice too much in the way of improved graphics from my G2 but I was okay with that. Then I tried No Man's Sky and the picture was choppy as heck. The screen couldn't stop jumping and I couldn't get a consistent performance. I tried "everything", boosting my RTX 3070 using the X1, updating my Nvidia drivers, turning all my setting down in NMS, nothing was working. I thought maybe it could be that NMS just recently updated and maybe the game was not optimized well, however, it ran perfect on my G2 however, it is on my other rig with a 3090. I decided that I would plug my Elite back in and if that worked fine with the 3070 then it had to be a Vive Pro 2 issue and I would package the Vive Pro 2 up and return it. I'm glad I thought of doing one more thing before that. I went into the Vive display settings and saw that they had "Ultra 90hz" as the default so I tried two things, I turned it down to "High 90hz", that didn't work and as I reached my ultimate level of frustration, I decided just for S&G's to try "Extreme 120hz". I figured that if if couldn't even run on High how could it possibly run on Ultra? To my EXTREME surprise, when I changed it to 120hz, it ran like a dream and purred like a kitten!
Lesson learned, this headset doesn't seem to play high end games on 90hz, if you get any issues on more demanding games using any of the 90hz settings, change the settings to the Extreme or Performance settings because those are 120hz. You may save yourself 2 hours of fiddling around.
Try turn off Motion Smoothing in the Vive Console.
I think it may have been coincidence. I can't get playable performance in No Man's Sky VR, whether I am using the G2 or the VP2, I get an "acceptable" framerate for only a few seconds (a very stuttery 20 something FPS) and then it drops into the single digits and my GPU frametime graph goes all purple. Been this way ever since I first tried it, switching to Native SteamVR hardly seems to have helped. I'm already running Ultra 120hz, and like 70% resolution scale for that game. Seems like it may be running out of VRAM and that's why it drops to single digit frames, however, lowering the VRAM related settings like textures did not help to prevent this from happening.
Unbiased and clear as ever, ty!!
Thank you!
Stellar review Seb nice one!
Thanks!
Are there any though the lens comparisons to the G2? Or have I missed this?
is the glare really a problem in this headshet vs others???????
Good review I pre ordered mine, cant wait, I had the reverb g2 and had to have good tracking with that resalution, so I sold my g2 and bought a used og vive unit ready for my upgrade when it arrives
Sebastian. Does it work with usb c cable?
Do you recommend getting thinner facepads for the g2 if so can you send me a link where to get them please.
Thank you Sebastian for your detailed review.
I think it's a good option for someone who doesn't have a VR headset yet. Somehow it is something in between, so that one speaks of HTC again.
Thanks for the great review. Read a lot of them and I feel this will be the one that will match my experience as I got a similar IPD of you (My IPD is 65mm) and facial structure. The vertical FOV is the only thing that concern me (I was the guy that delayed switching from 4:3 monitors too 16:10 until I had no choice) but all the other improvement over my 2016 VIVE am currently using is enough for me to keep my preorder.
Well I think you will be in for a real treat coming from the OG VIVE! The SDE on that was so bad. Even if you are someone who doesnt think its so bad or doesnt stop you getting immersed, I 100% guarantee that once you put on a newer high res HMD, you will not be able to go back.
Holy crap!!! My VP2 has shipped!! Right on the first day of release!! Didn't expect that!! : )
Your English improved godspeed.
I'm definitely buying this.
hello seb. what is the temperature of the device after 2 hours of continuous use? Nobody has mentioned that yet, or does the device not warm up? very nice review.
Just handwarm. No problem with hat this time around! Better than index.
@@mixedrealityTV hey Seb what do you think about VP2 stereo overlap?risa2000.github.io/hmdgdb/ 80° vs 84° on index and g2,people on reddit really complain about this tho i dont really think the 4° should be noticeable and affect the image or 3d effect so much if at all compared to index or g2.did you notice any difference compared to g2 and index in the presence,3d,depth etc?i mean people obviously nit pick everything at 800$ just so they can justify returning the headset but i was curious,my vp2 arrived and compared to index and my g2 that i sold there wasnt any 3d difference.
Wait, Im confused. Thrillseeker Said that the Vive pro 2 runned very hot. But it didn’t do that for you?
hi handsome. question- could you send a link to the music. i enjoyed it-iwant to gear a clean version. question- what manufacturer do you think will introduce a better product than HTC? thanks for your time and review.
Hi ,Have You Ever Experimented With Anti Glare Sheets, They Use LCD Monitors , And Apply a Round Cut Out For Lens Caps ?
What is that Reverb G2 face gasket at 8:08 ?
I used to use a rift! (Oculus link) the oculus broke on me with a recent update! Do you still recommend this upgrade? Also where do you get the pop filter
I've been one of those people who's been looking at the G2 from the original Vive and yet not wanting to downgrade overall roomscale tracking. It was either the Pro 2 or modding the G2 with a tracking puck for a hybrid work around, and with my 3090 ready to go I'm eager for my Pro 2 to arrive, eventually...
...Also I need to find one of those black heads to store it on. Anyone got a link?!
This is such an excellent, comprehensive review. Thank you!
I actually tried both an Index and a VP2, and ended up keeping the Index. Although I noticed an improvement in clarity with the VP2 over the Index, it didn't blow my mind. That said, I only tested the VP2 briefly, and am unsure if it was even set on the highest resolution!
Do you have the hfov and vfov for the original vive as well? that's what I have and just looking for a comparison point.
Search the web for risa2000
Thanks for your suggestion on FOV! I simply cut the foam padding to 1/2 of its thickness and damn it's a huge difference
Hey Sebastian, do you think 7invensun will ever release the F2 modules at all? They only released the P1 for the Pimax headsets (and I learned that they DO work well, if plugged into the motherboard USB3). There's nothing for the F1 that doesn't have any way to buy for the original Vive Pro or the Cosmos Elite.
For say VR Desktop how is the text legibility for productivity work?
thanks, I'm a quest owner , I've waited this long, 2022 looks promising, lets see what next gen looks like.
Thank you Sebastian, Great review. I remember when I lens modded the vive pro and boom. Glare gone and and perfect clarity. Maybe similiar mod can be done here?
Very unlikely, because the pro 2 design based on those double stacked fresnel's.
Quick question - the VR Cover you linked in the description leads to a Quest 2 cover - is it the correct one? Just to make sure since there's nothing on the page that says it fits for the Vive Pro 2.
Thanks for a really good review either way!
Ever figure this out?
What software is used for FOV measurement?
Pre-ordered the Pro 2 when you announced it was available for pre-order. Very excited to see how it performs with the wireless module! PS. I also signed up to your Patreon, excited to be a member!
When does this ship?
Good news! I received my pre-order yesterday! I did pre-order right when it became available, so my fast shipment was likely due to being early in the list.
The $16 Kiwi Design 6mm Face Pad for the OG Vive works as well and is available from Amazon. I bought it for my original Vive back in 2018 and it fits perfectly to my Vive Pro 2. It's a very substantial FOV increase. If anyone knows of a cloth alternative (I don't really like PU leather) that is about 6mm thick like the Kiwi face pad I'd love to know...
Can you find people outside of the IPD specs and see how comfortable it is?
Specifically, I have an IPD of 74.1 and want to know if it's usable.
Thanks
57 here. I also want to know if it is really what says
Great review
Thanks man!
what version of testhmd (program for fov dimension) do you use? 1.1 or 1.2?
Of course the latest.
Hey, I'm loving the content and amazing reviews! I don't know if you read all your comments but if you do I'd appreciate some advice. I have the OG Vive right now, and I'm really ambitious to upgrade. I have the money for the new HTC headset, but do you think it'd be worth it to wait for something like an Index 2? Just thought I'd ask for a second opinion, keep up the great videos!
Thanks! Great review and answered my question on if the LCD has the contrast to compete with the Vive Pro, which is still my favorite. Looks, like I have my replacement for the lighthouse ecosystem. I am just not sure if it is worth $250 more than the Index.
woohoo!! its here!!
Great review! Very helpful to get the breakdown of whether someone should buy based on their current headset (and older GPUs), particularly including some of the much older original headsets
FYI for the pop filter, you might find the kind made by Gomet more attractive, which is more like a little bonbon/sweet shape as opposed to the mustache. Prob slightly cheaper too
I was gonna suggest looking for something other than the “Hitler mustache”.🤔
A fan from Taiwan 🇹🇼！A Great review and a nice T-shirt 👍
Are you using an Intel system? Kind of worried this will have similar USB issues like the G2.
There is one important problem with this headset - you can't perform lens mode on it like you could on VIVE and VIVE Pro.
Since it is like version 1, I'm interested if it goes lower than the previous 60. I know it says it does but does it?
Yes, 57mm
I bought my first VR Vive pro last year. Returned it course of horrible screen door effect. This one looks like something i want to try again.
What gpu wud people recommend for this upgrading from gtx 1070 willing to spend about 1500?
3080 would be great if you can get one!
updating from the og vive... cant wait
Best review out there
Thanks!
Thanks for all of the reviews. I'm coming from an OG Vive... The Pro 2 came in the mail yesterday... My weekend starts in 2 hours!!!
Also a work around for the pop filter, is just remove all P's from your vocabulary. Save a buck ;) Smider-Man.
Does the pro 2 offer inside out tracking or does it require lighthouse tracking?
Lighthouse
A very good review. I only missed the software side as I read somewhere that a separate Vive software is required to run the Vive pro 2, which is something I don't really like.
Absolutely loved the review Sebastian!! No matter where I go, you will always have the best reviews that give the most information which answers all my questions. I've already preordered my headset and this will be my first time using the Valve Knuckles. Based on your videos, I have always been inspired because of you. I can't thank you enough good sir!!
When does this ship? @David Gray
import fees for an index is hefty, but it ends up being roughly 500 cheaper than getting the pro 2, it's a first time headset i'm getting so would I just be better off getting the index? the pro 2 looks good on paper but seems like an upgrade that's actually a downgrade, apart from the much higher resolution. i'm on a 2080ti with an r9 3900x, which would be the better option, Index or Pro2?
Do I understand correctly that you don't need to buy any facial interface and just that Quest 2 facepad will fit onto the Pro 2?
Yes
For the microphone pop test I suggest "Peter Parker Probably Plays Piano"
Had the valve index, upgraded to the reverb G2 and Visuals are excellent which is most important to me (besides tracking). I have the light houses and knuckles controllers still. I feel motion sickness more with the reverb G2 probably because of the 90hz and tracking. Is it worth upgraded to the Vive pro 2 from here I wonder???
Yeah, but you won't get a better picture than G2. But if you want lighthouse, yes!
why nothing about headset tracking and controllers tracking?
Guess I will stick with my G2 'til next year~ BTW, nice TAIPEI shirt~~ :)
It looks like there are 2 microphones on the Vive Pro 2, but you only put a pop filter on the bottom one. Would putting a pop filter on both of them perhaps help reduce the issue even more than just putting one on the bottom one, since popping was still quite apparent with just one filter?
I'll be putting one on both of them, in any case. It can't hurt.
The big problem with VR now is lack of content! Oculus keeps promoting discount specials on software, but I just don't see anything else to buy. Aside from flight simulators, Half life and Pavlov, there really aren't that many reasons to buy such an expensive device. I look forward to the day when I can play something like Cyberpunk in VR. That would motivate me more to spend more on hardware.
could you provide a US link for pop filters that will fit for that mic
The link should also work for the US! Doesn't it?
@@mixedrealityTV maybe so, lol no need anymore. decided to return the device and go back to the Reverb G2 with Index Controllers. That glare was really and those lenses were just too bad for me to justify spending that type of money on the headset. When i first put on the Reverb G2, i thought this is amazing!. When i put on the HTC Vive Pro 2 i thought, hmmm maybe my lenses are dirty lol. I enjoy that extra FOV and the headset having lighthouse tracking but those are literally the only two things that headset has going for it. It's not as bad to play on in some of the bright games i enjoy, but games like half life and walking dead look horrible with those lenses. Honestly, I thought the colors on the reverb looked better also.
seb, i really like your commitment to vr, but how do you explain the difference of your fov measurement to the voododeevr measurement, which found only 96 degrees horizontal. I ask because the measurement he made on the g2 reverb is exactly what my g2 has.
He is an outlier on the normal distribution of people. It seems his eyes are extremely deep in his eye sockets which gives him terrible FOV for headsets. He speaks for his eyes but not for the vast majority of people and he should do a disclaimer about this whenever he talks about FOV.
RoadtoVR got FOV results close to what VoodooDE got. That's with 64mm IPD. www.roadtovr.com/htc-vive-pro-2-review/
Thanks for the review, I will stay with my Pimax 8KX
mine is on a truck now, will arrive latter today!
No test with MSFS 2020?
Thank you l found my answers! (I already did buy pro 2 lol before watching this video lm just getting myself hyped up for it xD)
Thank you! I've got my pre order in and I'm looking forward to experiencing the upgrade from my original Vive
When does it ship?
Could you let me know what thinner face pad you purchased or recommend? Thanks for the review!
It's in the description.
@@mixedrealityTV whoops! See it now. Thanks! So you just remove HTC one and replace it? Easy as that?
Hello there.. could you please contact vive, the Latest firmware update for the vive pro 2 created a huge column mismatch on some units..Its a pixelgrid you see when you move your head..Alot off people on the reddit forum and even the vive forum talks about it..But they dont seem to care.. It need a fix(column fix) in a new firmware if possible.. I have this problem too,if i move my head you see vertical scanlines(so then it looks like a lowress headset) Some valve index units had this also in the beginning..
@mrtv im dissapointed i had 2 vive pro 2 send to me and both had pixel issues with green pixels in the right top eye on both models i send both of them back i was wantign to upgrade but not with these pixels issues as a factory issues on the lcd panels ... i rest my case
I'm coming from a CV1. Everything is better to me.
Same, but I want to wait and see what the next index will be. We'll have to switch tracking anyway. Good luck I suppose.
I have cv1 but with a stupid gtx 1070..
Considering index instead of g2 or pro2.. Still no rtx3080ti available 😢
Valve Index is the way to go brother
@@CraigMansfield sorry, i'm not sure to have understood. "Best sound, best controler...." Are you talking about CV1 or index ?
LOL me too
Thanks, Sebastian for a great overview. Mine should be coming tomorrow. Quite nervous if I'll like it based on the mixed reviews. I have a Quest 2, which I love, but I really want a high-end PCR headset to take advantage of my 3090 and flight cockpit.
What did you think about it?
But It is a upgrade from the first HTC Vive?
Thanks for the video, been waiting a long time to upgrade my OG Vive. Saved up for the Index controllers and got those for Alyx, but this might be a better upgrade now than the Index! Does anyone know if the OG Lighthouses would work with the Pro 2?
They do!
yes
Thanks!!!!
The best.better collors,better contrast,bigger vof,smooter and better softwhare,better tracking,over the g2.I sale my hp g2.
@@connorhalloran9630 I have more space for my glasses within the pro2 .The fov of the g2 is good For normal games and race games,but for flicht sims its too narrow for my.
I look forward to hearing about wireless performance. I switched to the Reverb G2 because of the much greater clarity, but losing wireless and having to use a cable setup really sucked (not enough to keep me on the Pro though).
Cant be talking about the vive pro 2 right? Vive pro 2 has way better clarity and a much larger sweet spot when wired I haven't used wirless yet so I can give an opion to that. I've owned a Rift a quest 2 a odysee+ and a cv1 kit and the vive pro 2 is much better as far as visuals go. The only thing I hate are the dumb ass controllers. Using a RTX 3080 Extreme settings usb 3.1 gen 2 connected 10gen i7
@@CarlosHernandez-rq5rx Yeah I was talking about the Vive Pro 1. Since then I bought a Vive Pro 2 and switched to that. Definitely the best of both worlds for wired and wireless!
If you don't like the controllers you might want to consider the Valve Index controllers, since they are compatible. Of course that is an additional expense.
Just a general comment with a question or two.
What is it about the wands that gets sm hate?
(Granted I’m a little biased as they were my ‘first’ Proper VR controllers, I love them to death ever since OG Vive. Index controllers are great, when I get a Vive Pro 2 {For like £500 cheaper} I’d probably keep the controllers and get Index controllers. Some games just feel better with Wands.)
Edit: General Grammar / Spelling Corrections :)
@@tigolbiddies5444 Personally I've never had a big problem with the wands. For certain games where you need to pull the trigger a lot I'd actually favor them over all other options.
I think a lot of the hate for them may date back to the original Vive vs Oculus Rift, where the Vive wands were considered to be kind of large and bulky. (Personally the Rift controllers were a bit small for my hands, so I never liked them much.) And then the Index controllers now have better grabbing mechanics.
I still use my Vive controllers more than half the time, but some people seemingly don't like them, so to each their own.
Did you find any mura with videos? I found a little mura with the G2
No mura at all!
@@mixedrealityTV Nice! I assumed that if it was there you would have commented on it. Thank you and may many adult beverages adorn you, LOL!
The most honest, least biased review so far. So many reviewers have dishonestly been putting out reviews that don't go into depth of the features. Some headsets just straight up also get too much praise for no reason despite having as many compromises.
I'm not listening with monitors, but I think I prefer the pro 2's audio based on what I am listening too. The Index sounds a little bit muddy, while the pro 2 sounds crisper. I think you can boost the bass in Windows audio settings to make the pro 2 sound deeper as well.
As an owner of the Reverb G2 since December, I have also pre-ordered the Vive Pro 2. Why? Because the cable for the Reverb G2 is VERY sensitive and I'm one of the unfortunate customers that has a faulty cable. (Google Reverb G2 cable problems to see what I mean). It's been months and still waiting on a replacement cable. So instead of depending on a G2 cable replacement, Im now looking forward to a Vive Pro 2.
Unfortunately I had to return my Vive Pro 2, the quality was significantly lower than my Reverb G2. I couldn't deal with it. The circles on the lens was very dominate. Especially in dark scenes. Luckily my reverb G2 cable has arrived and Im taking special care of it this time.
Still looking for that upgrade to my Index..We are getting close but not quite worth it yet for me.
One of the best reviews I've ever seen. Amazing job! Still holding on to my Vive Pro 1 for now until you can review the Decagear.
Same here. Funny, you say that.
your arms are gonna fall off and decay
The Vive Pro 2 sounds like a interesting VR headset with the new features it provides. My decision is, do I want to go back to external trackers, which is to be determined. I would need to buy the whole system since I don't have any previous Vive products.
I do SIM racing so inside out VR headsets work fine for me and have both the Rift S and HP G2 V2 headsets. G2 had a nice high Resolution, but still for me, a very narrow sweet spot, even with their plastic piece removed for closer eye contact. Rift S has a wider sweet spot and enjoy the headset, but would like a higher Resolution.
Reading some Amazon reviews of the Vive Pro 2, some say the sweet spot is not very good. I don't want to pay 1300-1400 dollars for a headset that is not any better than my HP G2.
So still in search for a good headset that has a wider sweet spot than my HP G2. I will pass on this headset for now. Too costly to try it out with sweet spot issues, clarity, and need for external trackers. Pimax is also out of the question, looks to cumbersome, finicky to setup, external trackers, etc.
thanks for the review. take care.
Out of curiosity.
What have you gone with?