Varjo VR-3 - In-Depth Discussion - All The Pros & All The Cons - The MRTV Experience Report
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- In this video you will get a 1h in-depth discussion about the Varjo VR-3 high-end VR headset! This is a special version of the "MRTV Experience Report", a format that normally only happens on my German channel! My guest Marco agreed to do an English version to talk about his hands-on experiences with the Varjo VR-3 at the MRTV HQ!
Check out Marco's German channel, New VR Tech: / @newvrtechde
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
07:42 Varjo VR-3 Discussion Begins
11:48 Visuals
17:50 Colors & Black Levels
21:35 Screendoor
22:35 Glare & Godrays
24:35 Distortions
30:25 Performance
38:32 FOV
43:50 Comfort
51:27 Audio
59:37 How Much Would You Pay?
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What do you think about this "in-depth discussion" format?
Can't wait to see more people to try it out 🙂👍
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why are you wearing electronic tagging(Fußfessel) around your necks? Are you serving time at home? What did you do?
last funny comment from me I promise
ok you stole the shirts and couldn't get the alarms off?
I want a bigger one
too
Marco is a pleasant guest, I like him
Thanks for your feedback. It was a pleasure. // -Marco
First time I've seen Marco, but I really like this guy. I like that his thoughts were not hyperbolic at all but well grounded. The fact he also thought the Vive Pro 2 was expensive trash gave him credibility in my eyes too. I spent a fortune on that headset and felt legitimately robbed of my money so the fact he called HTC out on that means I'll definitely check out his channel, providing it has English subtitles at least! I like these discussion type videos Sebastion, more please!
I have the Vive Pro 2 and think it's the best headset on the market (Varjo 3 not on the market). Why are you right? I think from everything I've read, ppl with glasses struggle with VP2.
@@BB-qp5xo Well, our eyes, headshape and experiences are different so it's always going to be subjective I guess. Like a size 9 shoe might be too large for me, but too small for somebody else. All I can say is that the experience for me was very bad. I hate godrays and glare more than I want a wide FOV, and I couldn't get the binocular alignment correct, so the headset always looked a bit off for me. The other major issue I had was the heat of the display. After an hour of use it got so hot I was worried it would be a fire risk if I left it plugged in and switched on overnight.
If I didn't suffer the alignment issues and have a ridiculously hot display then I'd have liked it a lot more. Therefore, if you don't have those issues, I could see why you would like it more than I did. I sent mine back however and got a Reverb G2, which I'm really pleased with. I mostly play Microsoft Flight Simulator so the base stations and Index Controllers weren't of much use to me.
@@kevinbrook7033 Fair call. I have no buzz (or at least unnoticable), ok heat (again not noticable), fits perfectly with my eyes really close with the 6mm face cover and I get tethered massive reolution and wireless very very good resolution so yeah, very happy. Must be different headset quality and different shaped heads. What are the vertical scan line he is talking about with VP2? It's like I got a different headset to Marco?????
@@BB-qp5xo I've used three Pro 2: Mine, Sebastians press sample and Sebastians own device. Every device was the same. Always buzzing headphones and always this lenses... I did not send the Pro 2 back because the VR Optician lenses changes how I can look through the lenses. VR Optician corrected this problem with the lenses, he is aware of it and he can not understand how HTC could even make this lenses. However: I think there is room for an extra video about the Pro 2 and it's Pro's and Con's. // -Marco
@@BB-qp5xo I saw some people complain about them on reddit when I had my VP2 but I never saw them personally. My biggest issue was the stereo overlap was so small the image was always on the verge of splitting in two. If I looked left or right with my eyes I could see lens images rather than one. It made it unusable for me. If I didn't have that issue it would have been a lot more appealing. The colours are really nice.
I really like this video specifically and the long discussion format.
Thanks Marco and Sebastian
You're welcome! // -Marco
I have watched this channel a few times before this but the two of you in this video have created a whole new level in analyzing vr hardware. I have seen many but never as clear and informing as this. Detailed! And humorous without trying.
Any language barriers are a plus because they slow down the analysis and make every point clear. I don’t own a vr headset but I have followed many channels because I am very interested in investing in one. The hyper presentations that exist on most channels are not a help. The pacing and rhythm here is the best. And the gold is in the details. Don’t stop!!! Good team!!!
Thank you! // -Marco
'The lenses are more important than display' - Marco. This quote is so rarely discussed but absolutely true. This was why I felt the Oculus Quest 2 was a better visual experience overall than the Vive Pro 2. The best display means nothing if the lenses are full of godrays and glare, and the stereo overlap is so poor that the image gets blurry and distorted.
👍🏻
Yeah we are finally in the spot that improvements in the display panels are minute, we are at the point of diminishing returns in that area. Next, those frenel lenses HAVE to go and we should not accept them in future headsets. They may have been a slight improvement in weight and lack of pupil swim over the aspheric lenses but the downsides are so massive that it is not worth the trade off, they should not have been ever used and I am glad PSVR (which was my first experience with VR in one convention) did not use them as my first impressions would have been worse.
After lenses the next problem to tackle is FOV, without Pimax distortions.
New subscriber here! just found your channel today whilst researching VR headset comparisons. This is the 4th or 5th video of yours I've experienced thus far, with the intent to continue onward. Certified bingeworthy, high quality content! I'm simply stopping by to give praise, say thanks, and wish you and your channel th best of luck! I must however admit, Marco's role in this video and his input was excellent. I feel that with a little work, you two might have something special as a collaboration. I certainly hope to see more content like this video in the future! Cheers!
Thanks for your feedback. The work together with Sebastian is always very nice and in the future there will be more! // -Marco
Great video Sebastian. I haven't tried VR3 yet, but I agree with everything discussed. I wouldn't mind hearing more of these indepth discussions about new hardware in the future too. Cheers :)
Nice to hear! // -Marco
Great discussion Seb and I agree with a lot of the good points made 👍
I definitely enjoy these long videos, especially when I get such good information. I can't afford the Varjo VR-3, but I still liked this video, very interesting.
Glad to hear!
Great discussion and video! Thank you.
Thank you! // -Marco
Super schönes Format :) Marcos soll sich doch nicht entschuldigen für sein Englisch. Man konnte ihn super gut verstehen! Mach weiter so Sebastian.
:-) // -Marco
great video thanks! watched all, very interesting
Nice! // -Marco
Only a German could say that something was the best experience of their life with so little enthusiasm!
I love the guest, his English is great he just needs to work on his confidence a bit! every time he doubted whether or not he was using the correct word, he was already using the correct word! keep it up friend!
When you talk about the distortion in the peripheral of the headset (pupil swim) such as when you discuss the circle becoming bit oval. It would seem that they could easily remap the display to alleviate this. Do they not do this so they don't lose resolution or FOV or does it seem there is another reason? Is it a symptom of stretching the FOV with the lenses?
Edit; apologies. I commented before I got to the end of the video. I hope the new lens profile will solve the pupil swim problem.
Very interesting program, I really enjoyed it, and your guest was very good as well.
Great you enjoyed it!
It was a pleasure! // -Marco
Please answer,
At 37:22 you were talking about how Pimax requires eyes to be adjusted different from world, and he was afraid of on his eyes because of that.
Does that happens in oculus quest too?
I have been using quest 1 for 1 year and I am afraid of my eyes and brain because of VR my father thinks it damage the brain and eyes what do you think?
I also had bad symptoms at first time of usesing for 1 week plus one symptom took 3 weeks to be gone and then got used to it.
The symptom that took 3 weeks to be gone was I felt my left hand is not my own hand although I was able to move it.
I don't think so. It's just a matter of how long do you use it, like everything in live. Take breaks, accomodate your eyes often and everything should be fine.
Thanks for this. Love Marco what a cool dude (:
Good format Seb. Another really informative video and thanks Marco. There is no doubt I need to Varjo 3 and would buy it for 3000 AUD with no subscription, but that is simply La La Land at the moment. Until that is available with mic/audio and less distortion, the VP2 tethered and wireless on a 3080ti will do me fine (guessing 18 months). Cheers.
Nice to see you here! // -Marco
Very informative, I like the format. Dry and logical German critique is helpful too - even to a Swede like me :) No audio is crazy unless you are only interested in niche visualization markets. Business users in general need high quality audio in VR if you are providing a communication tool - which in my opinion, as a business user, VR is. Even automotive and airplane designers can benefit greatly from collaboration in real time, sometimes across the globe. Try that without audio :) So, if Varjo only wants to sell to visual designers who isolate themselves in 3d space, that's good, but if they want to be a communications tool provider they must have audio. Unfortunately Finnish people are famous for their stubbornness, so I suspect I am not going to convince them :)
:-)
Great video! Interesting topic, great audio and clear English!
With no audio, no OLED and such distorsions, I don't know how much I would be willing to pay for a consumer version, though. Probably €1000. €1500 without distorsion.
I've had a G2 in my house for 9 month now, maybe it's time to finally open/unbox it!
What I really need, though, is a wireless PSVR2 (for PC)!
Marco seems to be a great guy! Time for him to start an English channel!
Thanks! By now, I will only speak English here at MRTV :-) // -Marco
So if I have glasses to see near and medium range, do I have to wear it? Because at 5 feets or more, I see clearly. Will I be able to see near object without my prescription?
It's very subjectively, how you feel with it. Folks say, near-sighted people need glasses and far-sighted people don't. But it's not for everyone the same. // -Marco
Another reat interview! I see a bit of apprehension on Marco's part because speaking in a language other than your native language can be daunting but I have to tell you that you shouldn't feel that way. I don't want to generalize but I've found that people from Germany are generally very technically astute and despite the differences in language I find that your analysis and explanations are normally very spot on which I appreciate. Keep it up.
Thanks for your comment. // -Marco
Nice one!
I was wondering what would be better the valve index or the g2 with the index controllers and base stations?
Index
Index is old now don’t buy one for the original price.
@@Don-po8vl you can't play Hellblade in VR with the G2 . It crashes immediately after the main Menu with the Xbox controller connected
I'm ready to pay for a consumer version
How much? :) // -Marco
@@newVRtechDE I'd pay $1,300 to $1,800 (assuming audio solution included). the level of clarity, color, and contrast is worth it to me
Hi! how do you guys both see through the lenses without eyeglasses? is it sharp or you still need wear eyeglasses? would they even fit into the headset if needed?
I definetly need my glasses as I am near-sigthed. Without I do not see anything as VR lenses and displays have the focus not in the near. // -Marco
@@newVRtechDE thank you!
Is the VR3 like 20/20 vision or can the visuals still get better?
20/20. But only that. // -Marco
This is good format, just straight consumers comparing headsets, all I want to hear.
Exactly! Thanks. // -Marco
Great video, thx mates!
Sebastian, is the VR3 yours and will it be part of your vr-experience (once it is back up again)?
I have to send it back but I am thinking of getting one for the experience!
Thanks! // -Marco
I’m very excited about that one. I’m planning to build a VR flight simulator system. A RTX 3090 and this particular headset will be the main components of that system. I’ll be adding the Brunner force feedback yoke and rudders. Now if only Microsoft could work on integrating Ultraleap’s Gemini hand tracking for the buttons and switches, that would be the cherry on top !
You can only buy that headset IF you also pay 800 per year for the subscription service...... So you might be waiting a long time or forever if you wait for this headset.
@@sirgriffinman I already know that, thanks. Why would I wait forever ?
have you considered waiting for the next generation of graphics cards? Or maybe you can have two 3090 working together(you sound rich).
@@crouchjump5787 Ya, video cards these days have so much built-in RAM, which is the primary (only?) reason to run SLI if I'm not mistaken.
I purchased Focus 3 but I continue to use Quest 2 (on Test Account so without FB) 😫
Oh yes! The Focus 3 is not a great device for it's value! (at least imo)
what eye tracking SDK does this use?
You can find more information here: developer.varjo.com/docs/get-started/eye-tracking-with-varjo-headset It's not mentioned very well. // -Marco
Sebastian have you tried the Varjo with contact lenses vs glasses? Why was it such a difference for Marco?
I don't remember the whole video. What was different in your opinion between Sebastian's and my opinion? Thanks. // -Marco
The micro is doomed ? You always sound so good.
Sebastian, please make a video on the new AMD FSR and VR. This is a big deal for VR performance and its free!
I just wanted to mention the "focus area" display in this headset is uOLED, I think I've heard a number of times the LCD displays don't pose an issue, but it almost sounds like sometimes you guys are forgetting the "focus area" portion is indeed OLED. I would be really curious to know if there are any optical artifacts at the interface between the "focus area" display and the peripheral display. I am assuming there is a mirror in front of the LCD to reflect the uOLED "focus area". Do you guys notice any seams? Is the interface dithered (aka is there a slight blending in pixel density over some range of the interface (1-2 degrees?).
Full Frame Bionic Display with human-eye resolution Focus area (27° x 27°) at 70 PPD uOLED, 1920 x 1920 px per eye
Peripheral area at over 30 PPD LCD, 2880 x 2720 px per eye
Colors: 99% sRGB, 93% DCI-P3.
In fact it's not totally unvisible, when it's off. But this kind of idea is useless for consumers imo. // -Marco
In regard to the UOLEd display, it is hardly ever discussed due to it not being used or turned on while using steam vr apps, unless you heavily supersample, which we currently don't have the hardware/GPUs for yet. This has been confirmed by Varjo employees. It will work in Varjo base native apps however, if this is how it is intended to be used. You can find this info and much more discussed at the VR3 discord channel here. :) discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/839483144041398283
@@granthartley Sebastian has this kind of apps and we have tried it. It did not convince me because the other display was blurry because of performance reasons. There is just not enough horsepower, but you could use 2x 3090 in NVLINK and use one DP per GPU. But the apps have to support that. Actually NVIDIA has this kind of technology for years but not one app exists (one GPU per eye). // -Marco
@@newVRtechDE Hi Marco. Was interesting to hear your opinions on the VR3. That's interesting you say it is blurry, as I have not heard this before. However, I have heard others say there is still some VERY fine SDE on the context displays & also that the focus display (FD) is noticeable when on, due to it giving off a brighter, almost yellow like tinge/tint to that area of the image. I feel like this would be pretty distracting. But yes, I agree the FD is basically pointless in a consumer headset anyway. Hopefully Varjo create an option to force it off for current owners, if they wish. And yeah, if only NVLINK was supported in apps for us VR users, which is why I typically don't even mention it haha. We just got to be patient for the 4090 & RDNA3. ':D
@@granthartley Correct, as the Focus Display is OLED, the brightness and colors are different. I have seen the yellow tint as well in the Varjo Apps. Therefore it's even just for that useless for me. The SDE is not a thing, but sure, if you would like to spot it, you can. But it's impossible to notice it when not thinking about looking for it. // -Marco
i'd say what about using airpods? but airpods dont work stereo quality _with microphone_ on windows
The audio latency is too high on devices like AirPods. // -Marco
And I thought that having a facebook account was already one subscription too much 🤣 the price doesn’t seem too abusive for what you get, but the subscription makes it very difficult for a consumer 😥
Marco. If you feel crosseyed in the 8kx, I found a solution which solves it completely. Place a vive controller about 2,5 meters away. You need to correct horizontal offset so that the real controller line up with the virtual controller for each eye. My left eye was showing the virtual controller far to the right of the real controller when lifting up the headset to compare. Once the left eye was corrected by horizontal offset, no more eye strain in 8kx ever again.
Gals and guys, begin to save money for a Prosumer Varjo. Coming perhaps soon, hopefully "im Herbst" (Q4) :)
how can you say the reverb g2 has better visuals than the vive pro 2?
Very easy, compared them side by side, saw the G2 looks better and then said it out loud.
@@mixedrealityTV i thought the vive pro 2 having higher resolutions displays would make it look better. Is the reverb g2 the best consumer headset out currently?
@@ProblematicBitch resolution isn't everything. I'm a reverb g2 owner. It is the best on the market for visual quality and I also think for comfort but that's subjective. Everyone's head and face shape is different. Tracking is horrible for the G2 and controllers lack feedback unless your into loud weak buzzes instead of true feedback. Reverb G2 can have many of its pitfalls fixed if u buy second hand lighthouses and index controllers to pair with it. Considering how cheap the G2 is compared to an index that's not an absurd reccomendation. Quest 2 is also just pretty fantastic for the price. I reccomend the Quest 2 even though I hate Facebook. It just works so damn good.
@@ProblematicBitch Pixel per degree is important. The Pro 2's FOV is bigger than the G2's. But moreover the lenses of the Pro 2 "block" the great panel behind it. Therefore the G2 looks even more clearly. // -Marco
I wish I had the money to come visit Sebastien's experience room and try the VR-3. It might actually be less money than buying it. 😆
Vario Launch Event: October 21.
The time has come.
Maybe this video has helped! I hope so. // -Marco
did he try the high angular resolution display
I did, but the demos from Varjo were like "if you use the focus display, we will blur the normal display because of performance reasons", for me this was not worth it. // -Marco
@@newVRtechDE hmm that is interesting....I hadn't heard that before.... I guess we need display port 2.0 and a 4080 to fully run the 2 displays
@@pumpuppthevolume The displayport isn't the problem as there are two of them, but yes, the GPU power is even with an RTX 3080 to low or let's say: The apps are not well optimized, if at all. // -Marco
@@newVRtechDE yeah the 2 display ports help ...to be able to run it at all
...I meant the dp 1.4a is getting old now and the next gen dp is much better
....the vive pro 2 at the resolution it's using and 120hz is running into the limitations of the port and the varjo with higher resolution and 90hz must be close to the limit too
Like the longform format with guests. Marco was a great guest too.
I only have a Samsung O+ and haven't been keeping up with VR over the past year+. What is the better headset, Index or G2?
You sound like a couple of archeologists who have found The ark of the covenant and seen paradise.
LOL!
Lol
That's how we feel, haha :-) // -Marco
Varjo for customer : By downloading VR3 specs a person from Varjo email me and after a short reply regarding what I was looking for here is what I got in my mail box 'from Larisa Govender 'Thanks for the reply!
Hopefully soon we will be able to offer headsets to enthusiasts like you for consumer use 🙂
All the best!
Larisa''. So Mr MRTV and Sebastian :-) Tallyho !!! we need you to sort it out regarding a new Varjo Headset for customer
Let's hope for! // -Marco
After thinking about how much I'd pay...
$1500 USD for the headset IF it has the audio of the Valve Index as well as the Index Controllers in the box.
Also, they should just also use the same head strap design from the Index and also figure out a way to integrate the same sort of eye relief adjustment.
I get that the lens design and resolution are FAR better, but the Index comes with lighthouse 2.0 as well as those controllers in the box for $1000.
wow
Who else felt like the varjo CEO was opposite of the camera with a gun pointed at Sebastien’s head saying don’t talk too bad about the product while his friend was bashing it lol 😂 Mrtv was like you are going to get us both killed 😫
Haha, no gun pointing was involved in the making of this video. ;)
@@mixedrealityTV There was always beer everywhere! Haha. // -Marco
More like the HTC CEO. Seb looked legitimately nervous any time he ripped on the Pro 2.
@@deedubb1815 haha, I just don't dislike it as much as Marco. I am not afraid of any CEO. I AM THE CEO OF MRTV!
couldn't agree more about what he said about pimax.. I had the same awful experience.
If the VR game developers start using Nvidia's DLSS, it may be possible to increase the frame rates in VR games.
The good thing is the FSR mod! It works on both NVIDIA and AMD. // -Marco
They did - VLSS is a thing. But the AMD FSR mod brings the benefits of super sampling to almost everyone in VR.
Its funny because NVIDIA have always used tricks to increase perceptible framerates. DLSS was just them officially acknowledging it. Look at the CPU overhead on NVIDIA cards, and you will see a LOT is done driver side with the CPU, keeps costs down. Whereas AMD typically just provide the raw grunt without hiding behind proprietary standards. This is why AMD cards have greater longevity.
TL;DR NVIDIA are not the bastion of quality.
kk keep on!
It's way too expensive and will never be mainstream, especially on a niche plattform like PC VR.
Well..... Someday all of the tech in this headset will probably be mainstream. The technology is headed there and beyond.
@@sirgriffinman Exactly.
@@sirgriffinman What tech? Facebook / Oculus have been playing with those lenses and eye tracking a long time ago. It's called a prototype, that's all this is. An expensive prototype that should never be available to the public until it's a finished, complete HMD that has the software, eco-system, controllers and affordability. If not, it's completely pointless out of enterprise.
I must say. It is more like a prototype unit. Considering how big and noisy and hot it gets. Isn't Apple and Oculus going down the more streamlined approach? Ie googles? How are the combination of full frame bionic display and bulky Aspheric lenses and going transition in to these?
@@mixedrealityTV Any idea how much the aspheric lenses cost to produce?
People say it's 5 years into consumer version, but it seems too long. I expect q3 will deliver most of these features, or someone else will do that (which would be awesome, but I don't think it'll happen at this point, fb would not let that happen).
I doubt the Quest 3 will look as good as the Varjo 3, but I certainly agree it's likely we will have this quality of visuals at consumer level in far fewer than 5 years. I mean Mike from Virtual Reality Oasis bought the original Varjo on eBay for $450 and that was like $6500 only two years ago, and worse than the current top consumer VR headsets. We'll have this quality by 2023 imo.
It's not possible to have this clarity and display with a mobile chip. It won't happen. // -Marco
@@newVRtechDE yes it is, software optimisations, foveated rendering and super sampling will bring it close.
Apple Vision Pro is here…..well 2024!
I was thinking $2,000 too
42:00 :)
Haha 😃
If anyone make a kickstarter for replament lens for quest 2, will be a huge success, count with me.
Well my fist expirience was not good. Vive pro has horrible pixelated blured screen. Returnded it right away
Oh yes, now it's different! // -Marco
I never use the audio or mic that comes with any of my headsets. I prefer my wireless headset.
What HMDs did you try? // -Marco
@@newVRtechDE Rift S, Quest 2, Index, Reverb, G2 , 5k plus, 8k plus, 8k X oh and Vive Pro
@@montrose699 Why do you prefer your headphones over Index/G2 speakers? Because of sound leakage? // -Marco
@@newVRtechDE I don't like sound leak yes but I also need to be able to switch from VR to reg audio easily. I fly MP pretty much all the time and need to be able to remove my headset and put it back on and maintain audio. Reset servers, brief and debrief missions etc. Having to go into discord as an example and change your audio settings every time you take your headset off for a minute is a pain. I prefer to just wear my over the ear high end headset
@@montrose699 Ok, I got why you prefer it! // -Marco
You should have mentioned the fan noise and the HEAT that it produces
I don’t suffer with heat or noise with my VR-3, I think the AR version does get hotter and louder fans though.
@@douglasingram8881 ah okay 👍
No problem at all. // -Marco
well the audio is like expensive phones without chargers and headphones and still charging the same as phones that have them .....so called pro hardware is always milking the buyers in any way possible
That's not wrong! // -Marco
Disregarding the inferior tracking, Reverb G2 is so premium headset in so many ways that it will be hard to switch to a future VR headset that will skimp on the basic things.
I totally agree with you. // -Marco
I returned G2: too much distortion/blur at edges, FOV way too small, outrageous sweet spot. Hoping to buy soon VR3 below 2000$ (with auto IPD adj - no focus display)
I returned it because the microsh#$ software was unusable; and the baby toy handles were worthless for any motor control more complicated than highlighting a virtual menu.
There isn't much better than a G2 currently in terms of display quality (excluding the sweet spot and FOV) and price. Won't touch HTC after the Cosmos fiasco so what else is there in the consumer market apart from the Quest 2? Pimax I guess maybe, but import tax into UK kills it.
Love my g2 you must have a strange head
@@cantonold7014 it is great once you learn how to use it. I can use the desktop while in steamvr it is convenient
I use Index controllers and homemade face gasket to improve FOV. I'm quite happy with the visuals, although the chromatic aberration is a bit annoying. Microsoft's malware gets out of the way automatically with MixedVR Manager.
Why everyone just talk about arjo vr but not show us how it's going in vr game, just talk, talk about it, why
It was about the VR-3. I am excited to look through the Aero soon. // -Marco
If you find the vr-3 cost extortionate (which of course most consumers will think it is), just get the pimax 8kx now.. it's the only future proofed hmd (where you can get more clarity, more fov, higher refresh rate etc over time as software optimizes and pc hardware is upgraded) .. the up to 200° fov and outstanding clarity/ big sweet spot/ zero sde *combined* and *overall* highly immersive experience can't be beat for 99% of applications it's used with (it's very rare where you can't read something in vr as the clarity is more than enough for almost all applications).. nothing comes close.. not even the vr-3 that costs more than 4x the 8kx cost can compete with the 8kx fov and will never get a bigger one in the future.. when you add the amazing fsr mod github.com/fholger/openvr_fsr that significantly increases clarity with sharpening and boosts fps for free, the image in the 8kx is tack sharp yet the immersion and situational awareness gained from the unparalleled fov is undeniable.. after all ultimately 'clarity' alone isn't the only or necessarily the most important factor for vr.. there are many other factors that need considering but ultimately you want to be optimally *immersed* and when you're in the moment fully immersed, with most vr games you aren't pixel peeping at all.. if all you focus on is the ultimate clarity known to man (which the vr-3 obviously has) you're going to miss out on many other factors.. it doesn't even come with an audio solution, let alone only having a limited binocular fov which in turn limits immersion- don't underestimate how much having a fov nearest to real human eye fov (that the 8kx has) significantly increases immersion in big way.. you can also easily match or surpass the g2 ppd with the 8kx simply by increasing the steam resolution moderately above 100% anyway.. until human eye resolution becomes more mainstream in price and it comes with up to 200° fov (which is years away at this point), the 8kx gives you far more bang for your buck now with a truly next gen experience now..
Nah, VP2 over P8K. Maybe unless you wear glasses.
@@BB-qp5xo absolutely not.. multiple people who have the 8kx and vp2 all confirmed that if you have the 8kx you don't need the vp2 as the 8kx is much better fov wise, glare wise, sweet spot wise and overall experience wise. They all returned their vp2s and stuck with their 8kxs which are much more immersive and future proofed.. the clarity is similar but better with the 8kx due to the larger sweet spot.. the only advantage of the vp2 over the 8kx is that the vp2 can be run wirelessly but that's at a cost of significantly reduced resolution and clarity so not worth it to me and yes if you're a glasses wearer no other brand can beat the pimax for the size and space to comfortably wear glasses in the much larger than average space you have (due to the much larger than average wide fov 8kx lenses) that fit most glasses styles very comfortably.. the 8kx is two hmds in one: 4k/ eye at up to 90hz or 1440p/ eye upscaled to the 4k panels at up to 114hz
In fact the 8KX is as far away to be a perfect device as the VR3 is. The clarity is as well far away from what a G2 offers or of course the VR3. But I would not like to start a discussion here, about which HMD is better. If someone is happy with HMD XYZ, then everything is fine. // -Marco
@@newVRtechDE Dont get me wrong, but I think you are the wrong person the judge the picture quality of the 8kx. It is apparently not for everybody, but for those who can handle it the picture quality is around that of a Reverb
@@_Dibbler_ It's important to have a G2 to judge the picture quality in comparison of a 8KX. The picture quality in comparison is not close to the G2, as the G2 is far ahead. The G1 is not comparable to the G2 (from what I've heard). The other drawbacks of the 8KX are not meant when judging about the picture quality of the 8KX. So I would argue against your thinking. // -Marco
Why do so much coverage of a headset that no one can buy 😳
Because it's a glance into the future! // -Marco
I disagree with you. microsoft Wmr is very good. I like my samsung odyssey which connect very fast with wmr and runs my best app deo vr, google earth and other steam vr and wmr store app. I would like more apps fron microsoft. But fs2020 runs super well. You must not forget that ms was the first to bring inside out tracking which is very good to my opinion. I would not want a system with base station. So i hope hp will continue to support wmr as well as microsoft on the hp reverb g3. If they can add more camera,, then even better. But i like it as it is now with my samsung controllers. Varjo vr3 is not for consumer, so it is useless to speak if it is better or not. Honestly my samsung is good enough for me. Fs2020 works stunningly well with it. I also disagree on the lenses. Amoled is better than lcd. My samsung has very dark black and no glares, very nice color.
It's important to compare HMDs to the VR3 to get an idea as a viewer where the VR3 is placed in the market in terms of technical specs. It's not to make systems like WMR sound bad. But when comparing every ecosystem WMR is not the first choice for us. This decision can only be made when comparing every HMD and system with each other. // -Marco
The varjo vr3 is only 110 fov i think it is not enought. I had already that in 2017 with my samsung odyssey which has an amoled display and no glare and good resolution. It eorks fantastic with fs2030 and it was only 399$. The varjo vr3 is overrated. Not worth the price. The star vr one has 210 fov and 16 million sib pixels and amoled display and should represent a big leap. The resolution is not everything and star vr one is less expensive
Some prefer FOV, some prefer Clarity/Resolution. Until now both together is not existent. // -Marco
Pointless for the mainstream consumer - way out of everybody's price bracket and just a tease really. Maybe what we will get in 5 years at a consumer price.
Not pointless at all. If you are a VR enthusiast, you will be happy that this tech is around, even if it is too expensive at this moment in time.
@@mixedrealityTV I think the term 'VR enthusiast' needs to be defined. I considered myself to be that when I bought the Index etc at a high price. This one is just 'out there' in terms of price. 'VR nutter' maybe be a better label.
@@richardnoall3758 it's for professional sim racing guys or pilot's . There are couple thousand on earth that bought it for that 🙂
@@anonanon114 Yeah and even if that's true, there's going to be great integration for these $2 Chinese headsets into the mainstream community with Steam VR taking them as a supported headset let alone all the other big players. Let's get real, this isn't going to appear overnight. Check back in a year and tell me this is consumer tech. I think not at the moment. Mark it in your calendar.
@@x32i77 Yeah I get that there will be business uses, or for the real hi tech guys. But this is far out of the consumer ball park that it should be on a 'tomorrow's tech' channel. Or labelled clearly as such.
Samsung VR modded HTC pro still better
I haven't tried it yet, but because of the resolution, I don't think so, as the VR-3 has aspheric lenses. // -Marco