Joe is one of those guys that knows a little bit about everything. if you’re not an expert, he can give you reasonably good information but if that’s your obsession, he’s going to say things that aren’t 100% correct for sure. But I think for the most part, he gets it right enough to be incredible. In this case he said enough accurate things to not look like an idiot on the subject.
You are right, but here Joe is down playing his knowledge on the subject to connect with the mass sheeple that are ignorant to the topic. It's a wise business strategy to make the most money from the majority of the audience. Joe hunted with MeatEater and used to be an avid hunter. (Could be still, don't know) So, he is well aware of marksmanship fundamentals.
For me this is why Carlos Hathcock was one of the best ever . No wind indicator, no ballistics calculator , no adjustable turrets or mill dot gradicles , no rangefinder and shooting basically a hunting rifle with a wooden stock.
Imagine Hathcock showing up to an PRS match with nothing but a Model 70 in .300 mag and a fixed power optic and putting all the techno weenies to shame. 😂
This guy is the real deal. I did long range tactical shooting comps-best shot was 950 yard cold bore hit on unknown size and distance target (Mammoth Sniper Challenge, KY aroundd 2008). I milled it to get distance by assuming the circle plate was 10 inches. This was correct. Dream shot.
Mine was the top of the skull of a thieving destructive squirrel peaking over a branch when I was about 8 years old with a single shot Savage .22 ancient but accurate rifle. Range? dunno. Long way for my young brain but I knew the rifle & ammo. Hit it, earned $5 from my grandfather in the mid-60s. Dream shots indeed =)
Pete, you are the man when it comes to understanding long-range technical detail on how these shots are performed and also the way you come across to the average person. Keep up the good work hoorah from the UK
Half way out is pretty close. I was a Marksmanship Instructor in the Marine Corps. You want to be at the "Repiratory Pause". If you take a deep breath and relax letting the air escape your lungs you reach a point known as the respiratory pause. Any more air leaving your lungs must be forced put by muscle contraction. Let the shot go during a respiratoy pause.
While windage was brought up, no one mentioned that in long range shooting the wind speed and direction at the muzzle can change dramatically and more than once before reaching the target. I shoot out to 1000 yrds fairly regularly and have seen wind speeds vary by 5-8 mph and direction vary 25 degrees or more and I’ve seen it take place two or three times during a single shot. Shooting across a canyon or some other terrain where wind is funneled would only magnify it.
He did kind of talk about that. He mentioned it when he said that knowing what the speed and direction is where you are, when you pull the trigger, is basically the best you can ask for.
@@fortheloveofking Sometimes you can see wind speed/direction on the way to the target, sometimes at the target (eg grass stems). Spin drift and the Coriolis effect for longer shots. I think altitude would also be in the calculations (denser air = more friction = more drag).
Great video and a perfect breakdown of Rogan's podcast. Folks I started following Piet for 2 years now, with ZERO regrets. His content is both informative and entertaining. Hell if not for Piet, I never would have looked at a 6.5 Creed. I am now running a Tikka T3X with a Vortex 3x15. Hogs, dogs, and deer don't stand a chance. My full setup was around 2k (ish, but don't tell the wife) and it's smooth as the butter I baste the hogs in. Piet you're awesome, Rock on Man 🤘😎
3x15 is a very useful magnification range for hunting. When I hunt with my dad we hunt on horseback so weight is no issue, then I bring a win model 70 featherweight in 280AI with a leupold 2x7 and a custom win model 70 in 280AI with a 26” barrel and large comp and Leupold 4x20 for long range.
Once you get beyond a mile it’s like lobbing artillery. The fact that people are getting precise hits beyond 2 miles is insane. To have a projectile that small in flight for that long and having to account for so many variables. I’d love to get into real long range shooting but I simply don’t have the time or budget 😂
They are not though. It usually takes them like 25 shots to hit a 3.5x3.5 ft target. Unless they are usually a 408 cheytac or equivalent it a crapshoot. Even 338 lapua tops out to get near 50% hit rate by 1500 meters and thats IF you call wind correct with 1 kph AND get all the other ballistics perfectly. These internet guys rarely show you the 24 misses before they get that hit at a mile plus
@@groundcontrol5365 there’s plenty of accounts of snipers making shots at ridiculous distances thought to be impossible. A lot of it goes into preparation. Getting good dope goes a long ways. They didn’t take 25 shots at the target… The Canadian JTF set a record for the longest kill and got it within a few shots. So it can definitely be done with precision. At that distance your group is going to be pretty big even with the best cartridge but it’s obviously doable beyond the flat range. If you can hit a man size target beyond 2 miles, I’d call that precision.
@@xi-deadshot-ix5838 No there aren't actually. Of all the hundreds of thousands of shots snipers have taken at a mile plus in the military you only have a few confirmed kills at those distances. They missed the other 99.99% of the time so no one heard about it because people who are full of it never tell you about all their failures. Its rare as fuk to get a first round hit at those distances.
@@chasemudd9040 True but don't think it changes the stats much. If you hit someone with a 50 bmg its a mess and that's the round they are lobbing at a mile most often. Pretty easy to confirm a mess like that
In the past, Utah has sometimes used a firing squad for the death penalty, they have maybe 4-5 shooters, only one has a blank in his gun. This for a psychological escape, each shooter can rationalize that perhaps theirs had the blank shell.
THANK YOU for not advocating long range hunting. Longe range shooting is super fun. Long range hunting is by no means ethical. Way too many factors involved that could cause a gutshot. Have some respect for the animal and learn to stalk. Refreshing to see a long range channel with some ethics
@@IMPACTSHOOTING Dankie Piet. Ek sien ek het almal gekyk. Moet se daai bobejaan skoot was iets anders so jy mag maar nog sulke videos op sit. Groete uit Hopetown
I’m sure most everyone watching this knows, but for those new to the sport, the Coriolis effect will affect bullet impacts at long distances - 1,000 yards or more. Because the Earth spins, the target’s position in space changes during the flight time of the bullet. Could be higher, lower, left, or right depending on where you are on Earth and the direction of the shot. It is different than gyroscopic effect or spin drift of the bullet caused by the barrel’s rifling. Definitely an interesting and challenging sport.
Regarding breath hold. As a long-range shooter and a freediver breath holding technique from freediving, help drop your heart rate quickly and keep calm and focus after sprints. This, in turn, gives plus timing on target for that extra steadiness and fine tune hold.
Awesome video, but on the topic of wind, something that also has to be factored is Spin drift, because if you have a 1:11 twist, that bullet will travel 11 inches @ 1000yds in the direction of the twist.
Spin drift varies significantly from bullet to bullet. However a good baseline taking into acount of the cumulative effect of spin drift and Coriolis effect ( Yes they stack) will cause your impact to be ½ MOA to the right at 600 yards and almost a full MOA to the right at 1000 yards.
@jrthmc29 Don't know where you got your data from, not accurate at all. I was a Sniper Instructor 1/2 MOA on what size target, MOA is linear. Meaning the size of the target and distance. On a 20×40 target ( mansize torso) at 600 yards holding left edge to account for SD was common.
@bmos212 Your kidding right? MOA is not simply a linear measurement and only used in terms of elevation(Bullet drop). In fact Minute of angle (MOA) is a unit of angular measurement that is equal to 1/60th of a degree. It is used in shooting to measure the accuracy of a rifle by distributing bullet hits on a target both horizontal as well as vertical. I assume you are calling the horizontal MOA something akin to windage or drift and that's fine and all but the measurement is minute of angle. "Minute of angle or spin drift" refers to the amount of horizontal deviation a bullet experiences due to its spin (gyroscopic forces), measured in "minutes of angle" which is a unit used to describe shooting accuracy, where 1 minute of angle roughly equals 1 inch of deviation at 100 yards; essentially, it's how much a bullet will drift sideways over a long distance because of its spin, expressed in the small angular measurement of a minute of angle. If you were a Sniper Instructor as you said then you have my respect and Thank you for your service. I would add however if you were what you say you were I think you would know this information. Take care, God bless
@jrthmc29 Brah, you just cut and pasted a bunch of long range shooting terminology. SPIN DRIFT IS THE GYROSCOPIC HORIZONTAL DEVIATION of a bullet from its intended trajectory. MOA is linear meaning 1 MOA at 100yds in 1in roughly, 1 MOA at 200 yards is 2 in, 1 MOA at 300 yards is 3 inches and so one. I know everything you regurgitated.
@bmos212 so which is it Brah? Either my information is .."not accurate at all" as you said l, or I cut and paste from long range shooting terminology. BTW of course I pasted 80% of that information. Why would I waste the time Typing out all the info for you when it's clear you refuse to listen to anyone other than yourself seeing as you know everything about shooting already. Girl, Bye!
There are many newer video games that do have a hold breath button but they do actually let the air out and if you hold it for more than 2 seconds you lose aim.
I shoot precision 3P target rifle (the same discipline you see in the olympics) and we teach that you fire when your lungs are empty because it's the most consistent position. But we also teach you have about 3 seconds in that state to fire the shot before it starts to affect you. So if you haven't fired the shot in 3 seconds, stop, breathe and try again.
What agitates me about movies and the shooting all around each other is what about all of the fragmentation? No one has eye protection and not a drop of blood unless somebody gets shot
I saw some long range shooters attempting a 4 mile shot. To my amazement one of the guys finally made the shot! There’s also a channel called “Texas Plinking. Sometimes they compete at one mile.
They never only had one firing squad member with ammo. They’d have one WITHOUT ammo so everyone can reasonably assume they might not have killed the guy.
@@musclenugget92I think he meant a blank. As mentioned in the video, the shooter can tell whether their shot was live or not regardless, so I think the doubt may be there to discourage retaliation
Sitting here loading this season's hunting rounds when this video suggestion come up. Although I don't have to, I take the time to be extremely accurate and consistent in producing my ammunition thanks to this channel. It's somewhat therapeutic to do so. Never settle for 'good enough'!
Lightly covered about wind effect on bullet flight, another way to look at it in a physical plane is similar with putting in golf. Wind speed at different distances between you and the target are going to push your round with slightly lower or higher pressures. Typically we say that the putt is going left to right or right to left, and reading that slope is quite difficult especially since the direction that the grass blades are going to grow in accordance with sunlight to catch as mush as possible are going to affect how slowly or quickly the ball is going to roll. Against the grain it is going to roll slower than with the grain. Now, instead of just a left to right or right to left slope (wind), you have to factor in that the green slope between you (shooter) and the hole (target) isn't going to be constant. Having a double breaker, or even a triple breaker in putting is going to be just like the wind not being constant at 200m, 500m, 800m, and 1100m. With all of that data in mind on a small putting green that pro golfers still miss putts on, imagine if the hole (target) was moving and you will see just how unbelievably skilled long range shooters are.
For at least one area in the US where Firing Squads may still happen, the people appointed to participate in a firing squad are not always "highly" trained. They can pass a standard qualification test, but that's the only standard required. And yes, one rifle will have live ammunition, while the others have blanks. In most cases, the rifles are setup on mounts and already aimed at a pre-determined area. The "port" that the rifles are being fired from have very little space to see. Often times, those operating the rifles do not even witness the firing themselves. They walk into a back door, walk up to the rifle, pull the trigger, and walk out.
Fascinating. You sort of glossed over (not a criticism) the gravity component. Are long range shooting courses generally setup one direction or the other? Meaning, s shooter firing downrange at a target from west to east? What might be the correction required shooting south to north at 1 mile? I am not a shooter, but love what you do, and have heard the term MoA (I've read about ~1.05 inches per 300 feet), but that is about angles, where I imagine correcting for earth rotation the time of flight is the critical variable. Love your channel.
"Only one person had live ammunition" that was true at some points in history in some places, other places at other times everyone had live ammunition because the enemy can never be to dead.
the USMC can teach any knucklehead how to hit target from 500 yards away with no scope... and they do that in just a few weeks..very impressive I think so anyway
When you talk about animals moving: last year I went for a deer hunt in Nova Scotia, I had a doe at 40 yards with the crosshairs on her right shoulder, she was super nervous, as I committed to pulling the trigger she turned and I wound up grazing her left shoulder(literally took off hair and the equivalent of a skin tag). How do I know? She showed up on trail cam two days later, with the patch of hair clearly missing. It was a long 20 hour drive home.
Search Tim Wells, he will blow your mind. Some people just have a gift when it comes to hunting. Normies who spend more time behind a screen like myself cannot begin to imagine how well someone like that can anticipate an animal's movement/behavior, but clearly the are guys like that. Sure, Joe Rogan has hunted a lot, but he's a typical modern hunter who practices on a still standing target and then goes out to shoot a still standing animal. He is a bloody good shot and a strong guy at that, but Tim Wells is to hunting what Garry Kasparov is to chess, simply on a different level.
I watched this just to see how critical you would be of Joe. You were honest and didn't say he's full of it. You also gave away my secret about not holding your breath. I figured it out through my dad teaching me how to hunt, and my taekwondo sensei. My Dad said to pause your breathe and shot. My Sensei said you never stop breathing, because the brain needs air to work properly. So I learned to time the bottom of my breath, best of both worlds! You got a sub for your honesty.
Sometimes I check the wind speed with my meter. It's critical and people depend on it. When your AC isn't working right you might have a guy like he check your airflow velocity with one of those. Make sure that's good. Crossover tool. :)
On my last trip to SA I had 9 perfect shots and 1 where a Blesbuck turned from broadside to quartering to as I was pulling the trigger. It happens and at 450yds it leads to a less than perfect impact.
In the movie Shooter there is an assassination scene where someone says it takes 6 seconds for the bullet to travel a mile. Most big sniper rounds are moving at around 3000 feet per second. I did a little basic math and it turns out that the 50 BMG which is actually the slower of the military sniper rounds clocks in at 2800 FPS. A mile is 5280 feet. Simple division tells us that this slower round will travel a mile in just about 1.8 seconds. Less than a third the time the movie claimed. But yes, I know, it is a movie. Still I prefer when the technical details in films are accurate.
The bullet doesn't fly at muzzle velocity all the way to the target. At a mile the bullet is most likely under 1000fps. Time of flight of 6 seconds for a 50BMG is about right.
@wadepolly1798 actually by the time the 50 BMG round reaches a mile it has dropped to 1500 ft per second. Even if it had traveled that speed from the muzzle all the way to the target It would still be there in less than 4 seconds. If you want to calculate for velocity drop from the muzzle to one mile you are still looking at a little over 3.5 seconds at the most. 6 seconds is still absurdly high and it would take nowhere near that long.
Hey about the holding the breath. I have no idea where I read this. But it was when I was a kid, so maybe it's old technique. But I'm sure it said like when you breath in. You apply first pressure to trigger and breath half way out. And pull trigger (It's genuinely possible I invented this in my head and think it's a memory. Like I had a dream about hair only growing at night. Then thought that was real haha.)
I also remember reading if you turn the spotting scope slightly out of focus you can see vapour trail of bullets. A quarter turn out of focus is stuck in my brain for some reason.
Awesome video, you really know your stuff. Ohh man, you have to try bow hunting with a traditional bow. It is the most fun hunt you can do! Crazy fun, especially still hunting and stalking!
Im no sniper, lol but I get into shooting and hunting. Ive hunted all my life and also grew up shooting bows on and off as well but that's too much of a tangent 😄. But like 4 years ago I decided to buy a cheap break barrel air rifle to occupy myself with and even though I already knew how to shoot real guns I ended up having to practice and reeducate myself in a few ways that I think were really helpful. Besides the therapeutic aspect of it all it was like.. stimulating (for lack of a better word😆) and it put the passion back into me to start shooting my rimfire and center-fires a lot more. With the break barrels your shooting 8grain pellet 15-60 yrds with a garbage trigger and and weird kick from the piston that forces you to use a proper balanced technique to be able to hit anything. It's not even like a pcp or rimfire at all but its so bad that it forces you appreciate the little things. I guess what I initially was thinking to comment is.. .. making these long ass shots can be a high skill demanding and difficult thing... but not always. Cuz like.. with perfect weather and environment conditions..a already set up rifle.. making that 1000yrd shot can be as simple as making a common sense shot. It's just the nature of a predialed, perfected system in a non chaotic environment. But that's no fun and I realize that that's just an idealized frame of reference. Idk...i think about weird things. TBH I could never afford to go long range shooting with anything other than a 223. But I enjoy playing with my 22lr and trying different ammos at different distances up to 200yrds. Im just a broke ass county boy with lots of opinions but no options haha
I built my long range 308 out of a savage axis for just under $1000. Thats including the original cost of rifle and the optic and custom barrel etc. Yeah it's $2 a bullet for boat tail ammo but when I'm shooting long range I usually only bring a box or 2 of ammo and that lasts me a few hours. I was making hits at 800 yards with a strong wind last time. I'll be pushing out to 1000 yards next time. It's not easy but you can put together a long range build for cheap if you do all the research and work yourself.
@@1badombre82 $1000 in SA rand is R17800, if you only earn R9000 - R15000 it is a lot of money for a rifle. And then ammunition is R15/bullet. It becomes a very expressive sport.
@@zackbogart2604 competitive shooters do this on a regular basis with the most modern and up to date shooting systems. It is a skill you must keep up like any other profession. I have never shot under 38/40 in qualifying in the Infantry, I doubt I could do that now. This man is a confirmed successful sniper. I know how confirmed shootings get recorded , he would not be able to lie about that. Just giving insight , guess I am biased being infantry and a designated marksman ( not a sniper) . I don’t care how he shoots now, but he did his job when enlisted.
My dad shot a deer at a quarter mile, with a 30-30. He admitted it was a pretty lucky shot, because that round isn’t supposed to be used for long range shooting.
So what's you said I can curve a bullet or a shot based on the wind direction and the wind speed but not by throwing your weapon from one side to another?
The last time I looked, the top 20 furthest confirmed sniper shots started in the 1200’s and most were under 1700. My take away is that snipers actually very rarely shoot as far a s Hollywood would have us believe. The confirmed mile+ snipe shots can be counted on one hand, and are legendary for the reasons Pete discussed in this video.
What you wrote is generally true with some exceptions. For example, Canadian snipers shot at long range for a day or multiple days - see this talked about on Rogan. They broke the record over and over on the same day.
@ is that the same Canadian sniper team who said they were taking 8-20 shots per target, and the targets would just stand there confused because they couldn’t figure out what was hitting the ground around them?
I'm never going to shoot 2mi but i did just start reloading. Last weekend i did a ladder test and stacked two groups on top of each other in 0.67". I have to say i was impressed with myself for my first try
don't do what i did and buy every bullet known to man , just pick a good hunting/match bullet and find something that works first before you go nuts lol
You have a sub i am a amateur long range shooter grew up shooting 2 rounds a year the shot you made sure it was still zerod and the kill. Got into airguns recently where i can shoot alot in my land, i have seen an increase in my accuracy just by the annoying of time behind a similar platform
@impact Great video, subscribed today, have you found an easy way to easy way to explain the intricacies of the coreolis effect on long range projectiles to a layman. I understand it but haven't found a way to explain this in simple terms with reference to the projectiles being effected by drag, gravity and earth curvature in simple terms? And how to correct for this
Dummy rounds and blanks are definitely not the same. Dummy rounds are completely inert. They’re used for dry firing practice. Blanks have powder but no bullet.
It’s exactly why guys look @ me funny when I say “I hunt whitetail deer w/a .22 Hornet.” Their jaw drops & they usually say “I’ve lost too many deer, you?” 1-in 28yrs (150yds or less)
Joe is one of those guys that knows a little bit about everything. if you’re not an expert, he can give you reasonably good information but if that’s your obsession, he’s going to say things that aren’t 100% correct for sure. But I think for the most part, he gets it right enough to be incredible. In this case he said enough accurate things to not look like an idiot on the subject.
You are right, but here Joe is down playing his knowledge on the subject to connect with the mass sheeple that are ignorant to the topic. It's a wise business strategy to make the most money from the majority of the audience. Joe hunted with MeatEater and used to be an avid hunter. (Could be still, don't know) So, he is well aware of marksmanship fundamentals.
He votes for anti gun politicians, he is a clown.
I think Joe has a a fudd and doesn’t actually do a lot just has a lot more f friends and makes his opinions based on them
Or nothing about anything
Jack of all trades, master of none.
For me this is why Carlos Hathcock was one of the best ever . No wind indicator, no ballistics calculator , no adjustable turrets or mill dot gradicles , no rangefinder and shooting basically a hunting rifle with a wooden stock.
Imagine Hathcock showing up to an PRS match with nothing but a Model 70 in .300 mag and a fixed power optic and putting all the techno weenies to shame. 😂
@@j.till_z that would be awesome! But in war if your an inch off, the guy is still dead. In competition, if your an inch off, your in last place.
Hathcock had custom built rifles made by Jim Land who commanded a special unit of Armorers.
And an absolute robot of a human being. His auto/biography is insane!
Most military guys are shooting Remington 700’s which is an out date bolt action hunting rifle with tactical upgrades.
This guy is the real deal. I did long range tactical shooting comps-best shot was 950 yard cold bore hit on unknown size and distance target (Mammoth Sniper Challenge, KY aroundd 2008). I milled it to get distance by assuming the circle plate was 10 inches. This was correct. Dream shot.
Mine was the top of the skull of a thieving destructive squirrel peaking over a branch when I was about 8 years old with a single shot Savage .22 ancient but accurate rifle. Range? dunno. Long way for my young brain but I knew the rifle & ammo. Hit it, earned $5 from my grandfather in the mid-60s. Dream shots indeed =)
Jamie pull up that video of the bear shooting 2000 yards
😂😂😂
Heck , I would be impressed to see a bear shoot 10 yards. Js
😂😂😂😂😂
How about the one where the youtube commenter desperate for likes comes up with his own original joke? That one would be much better. 🤡.
No, no bears with guns, bad boy!@@markmtbrider
UA-cam suggested this channel and your video did not disappoint. Looking forward to learning more about long range shooting!
Pete, you are the man when it comes to understanding long-range technical detail on how these shots are performed and also the way you come across to the average person. Keep up the good work hoorah from the UK
Half way out is pretty close. I was a Marksmanship Instructor in the Marine Corps. You want to be at the "Repiratory Pause". If you take a deep breath and relax letting the air escape your lungs you reach a point known as the respiratory pause. Any more air leaving your lungs must be forced put by muscle contraction. Let the shot go during a respiratoy pause.
16:25 that baboon shot will always be a highlight shot
While windage was brought up, no one mentioned that in long range shooting the wind speed and direction at the muzzle can change dramatically and more than once before reaching the target. I shoot out to 1000 yrds fairly regularly and have seen wind speeds vary by 5-8 mph and direction vary 25 degrees or more and I’ve seen it take place two or three times during a single shot. Shooting across a canyon or some other terrain where wind is funneled would only magnify it.
He did kind of talk about that. He mentioned it when he said that knowing what the speed and direction is where you are, when you pull the trigger, is basically the best you can ask for.
@@fortheloveofking Sometimes you can see wind speed/direction on the way to the target, sometimes at the target (eg grass stems). Spin drift and the Coriolis effect for longer shots. I think altitude would also be in the calculations (denser air = more friction = more drag).
This is not the MDT carbon stock review I was expecting from you this week
Mine didnt show up in time, soon!
Alabama Arsenal just did one.
why would you want someone else's opinion?
Great video and a perfect breakdown of Rogan's podcast. Folks I started following Piet for 2 years now, with ZERO regrets. His content is both informative and entertaining. Hell if not for Piet, I never would have looked at a 6.5 Creed. I am now running a Tikka T3X with a Vortex 3x15. Hogs, dogs, and deer don't stand a chance. My full setup was around 2k (ish, but don't tell the wife) and it's smooth as the butter I baste the hogs in. Piet you're awesome, Rock on Man 🤘😎
Thanks for sharing!
3x15 is a very useful magnification range for hunting. When I hunt with my dad we hunt on horseback so weight is no issue, then I bring a win model 70 featherweight in 280AI with a leupold 2x7 and a custom win model 70 in 280AI with a 26” barrel and large comp and Leupold 4x20 for long range.
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Are you using Tikka stock or aftermarket?? Thx
@@MTDub99 just the standard stock, polymer tan stock...factor muzzle break
Once you get beyond a mile it’s like lobbing artillery. The fact that people are getting precise hits beyond 2 miles is insane. To have a projectile that small in flight for that long and having to account for so many variables. I’d love to get into real long range shooting but I simply don’t have the time or budget 😂
They are not though. It usually takes them like 25 shots to hit a 3.5x3.5 ft target. Unless they are usually a 408 cheytac or equivalent it a crapshoot. Even 338 lapua tops out to get near 50% hit rate by 1500 meters and thats IF you call wind correct with 1 kph AND get all the other ballistics perfectly.
These internet guys rarely show you the 24 misses before they get that hit at a mile plus
@@groundcontrol5365 there’s plenty of accounts of snipers making shots at ridiculous distances thought to be impossible. A lot of it goes into preparation. Getting good dope goes a long ways. They didn’t take 25 shots at the target… The Canadian JTF set a record for the longest kill and got it within a few shots. So it can definitely be done with precision. At that distance your group is going to be pretty big even with the best cartridge but it’s obviously doable beyond the flat range. If you can hit a man size target beyond 2 miles, I’d call that precision.
@@xi-deadshot-ix5838 No there aren't actually. Of all the hundreds of thousands of shots snipers have taken at a mile plus in the military you only have a few confirmed kills at those distances. They missed the other 99.99% of the time so no one heard about it because people who are full of it never tell you about all their failures.
Its rare as fuk to get a first round hit at those distances.
@groundcontrol5365 that's because nobody's walking over a mile away in a red zone just to confirm a kill....
@@chasemudd9040 True but don't think it changes the stats much. If you hit someone with a 50 bmg its a mess and that's the round they are lobbing at a mile most often. Pretty easy to confirm a mess like that
In the past, Utah has sometimes used a firing squad for the death penalty, they have maybe 4-5 shooters, only one has a blank in his gun. This for a psychological escape, each shooter can rationalize that perhaps theirs had the blank shell.
THANK YOU for not advocating long range hunting. Longe range shooting is super fun. Long range hunting is by no means ethical. Way too many factors involved that could cause a gutshot. Have some respect for the animal and learn to stalk. Refreshing to see a long range channel with some ethics
This probably one of my favorite informative shooting channels, and UR😂 that guy cool too😂
That little /puff/ at 4:49 when he closed the bolt was just 👌
I love your channel Piet but didn't you hunt this winter? Your hunting videos is always great
Yup we uploaded a ton a hunting content this year. Another Impala hunt soon!
@@IMPACTSHOOTING Dankie Piet. Ek sien ek het almal gekyk. Moet se daai bobejaan skoot was iets anders so jy mag maar nog sulke videos op sit. Groete uit Hopetown
if we're nitpicking, dummies are inert and blanks are a powder charge crimped without a round
I hope you do the vortex nation podcats or something with steve rinella !
You and joe sitting talking shooting would make a great podcast !
Internet make it happen
I wish he would've mentioned temperature and elevation variables as well
I’m sure most everyone watching this knows, but for those new to the sport, the Coriolis effect will affect bullet impacts at long distances - 1,000 yards or more. Because the Earth spins, the target’s position in space changes during the flight time of the bullet. Could be higher, lower, left, or right depending on where you are on Earth and the direction of the shot. It is different than gyroscopic effect or spin drift of the bullet caused by the barrel’s rifling. Definitely an interesting and challenging sport.
And proof the earth is round
@@chasemudd9040 Nu-uuuuuuuuuhhhhh!
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Regarding breath hold. As a long-range shooter and a freediver breath holding technique from freediving, help drop your heart rate quickly and keep calm and focus after sprints. This, in turn, gives plus timing on target for that extra steadiness and fine tune hold.
Awesome video, but on the topic of wind, something that also has to be factored is Spin drift, because if you have a 1:11 twist, that bullet will travel 11 inches @ 1000yds in the direction of the twist.
Spin drift varies significantly from bullet to bullet.
However a good baseline taking into acount of the cumulative effect of spin drift and Coriolis effect ( Yes they stack) will cause your impact to be ½ MOA to the right at 600 yards and almost a full MOA to the right at 1000 yards.
@jrthmc29 Don't know where you got your data from, not accurate at all. I was a Sniper Instructor 1/2 MOA on what size target, MOA is linear. Meaning the size of the target and distance.
On a 20×40 target ( mansize torso) at 600 yards holding left edge to account for SD was common.
@bmos212 Your kidding right?
MOA is not simply a linear measurement and only used in terms of elevation(Bullet drop).
In fact Minute of angle (MOA) is a unit of angular measurement that is equal to 1/60th of a degree. It is used in shooting to measure the accuracy of a rifle by distributing bullet hits on a target both horizontal as well as vertical.
I assume you are calling the horizontal MOA something akin to windage or drift and that's fine and all but the measurement is minute of angle.
"Minute of angle or spin drift" refers to the amount of horizontal deviation a bullet experiences due to its spin (gyroscopic forces), measured in "minutes of angle" which is a unit used to describe shooting accuracy, where 1 minute of angle roughly equals 1 inch of deviation at 100 yards; essentially, it's how much a bullet will drift sideways over a long distance because of its spin, expressed in the small angular measurement of a minute of angle.
If you were a Sniper Instructor as you said then you have my respect and Thank you for your service. I would add however if you were what you say you were I think you would know this information.
Take care,
God bless
@jrthmc29 Brah, you just cut and pasted a bunch of long range shooting terminology. SPIN DRIFT IS THE GYROSCOPIC HORIZONTAL DEVIATION of a bullet from its intended trajectory. MOA is linear meaning 1 MOA at 100yds in 1in roughly, 1 MOA at 200 yards is 2 in, 1 MOA at 300 yards is 3 inches and so one. I know everything you regurgitated.
@bmos212 so which is it Brah? Either my information is .."not accurate at all" as you said l, or I cut and paste from long range shooting terminology.
BTW of course I pasted 80% of that information. Why would I waste the time
Typing out all the info for you when it's clear you refuse to listen to anyone other than yourself seeing as you know everything about shooting already.
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There are many newer video games that do have a hold breath button but they do actually let the air out and if you hold it for more than 2 seconds you lose aim.
Awesome video, I'm glad I came across your channel. I will be watching a lot of your videos
He would probably love having you on his show. Hit him up next time you're in the states.
I shoot precision 3P target rifle (the same discipline you see in the olympics) and we teach that you fire when your lungs are empty because it's the most consistent position. But we also teach you have about 3 seconds in that state to fire the shot before it starts to affect you. So if you haven't fired the shot in 3 seconds, stop, breathe and try again.
Absolutely brilliant video. I'm a new fan of yours!
What agitates me about movies and the shooting all around each other is what about all of the fragmentation? No one has eye protection and not a drop of blood unless somebody gets shot
This was so fun and informative. Thanks, Pitr!
I saw some long range shooters attempting a 4 mile shot. To my amazement one of the guys finally made the shot! There’s also a channel called “Texas Plinking. Sometimes they compete at one mile.
at 9:30 you said they were using a "Raptar" but that is NOT a Wilcox Raptar... it is an Envision MARS.
16:25 what scope do we think he's using in that clip? I like the radical layout
Good video. You have a nice presentation and attitude.
This is a truly great video. Thanks
Come to Medicine Lodge, Ks to Twin Peaks Rifle Club. The matches there are awesome to watch. So impressive
They never only had one firing squad member with ammo. They’d have one WITHOUT ammo so everyone can reasonably assume they might not have killed the guy.
Bro, if you have no ammo, the gun wouldn't go off
@@musclenugget92I think he meant a blank. As mentioned in the video, the shooter can tell whether their shot was live or not regardless, so I think the doubt may be there to discourage retaliation
Sitting here loading this season's hunting rounds when this video suggestion come up. Although I don't have to, I take the time to be extremely accurate and consistent in producing my ammunition thanks to this channel. It's somewhat therapeutic to do so. Never settle for 'good enough'!
Well done!
Those RAZOR sights though 😍
Lightly covered about wind effect on bullet flight, another way to look at it in a physical plane is similar with putting in golf. Wind speed at different distances between you and the target are going to push your round with slightly lower or higher pressures. Typically we say that the putt is going left to right or right to left, and reading that slope is quite difficult especially since the direction that the grass blades are going to grow in accordance with sunlight to catch as mush as possible are going to affect how slowly or quickly the ball is going to roll. Against the grain it is going to roll slower than with the grain. Now, instead of just a left to right or right to left slope (wind), you have to factor in that the green slope between you (shooter) and the hole (target) isn't going to be constant. Having a double breaker, or even a triple breaker in putting is going to be just like the wind not being constant at 200m, 500m, 800m, and 1100m.
With all of that data in mind on a small putting green that pro golfers still miss putts on, imagine if the hole (target) was moving and you will see just how unbelievably skilled long range shooters are.
Long range air guns 100-300yds. It is also a big challenge, with lots of data to calculate and lots of fun.
Firing squad.. only one person had the “blanks” the other 4/6 had live ammo..
But as he said you 'feel' that. And i would say you hear it as well. But maybe not if 5 or 6 other people shooting next to you...
Especially since a blank will NOT have the recoil of a live round.
There not blanks, they used wax slugs, which feel extremely similar to live rounds
@@Ghost2ndamendment maybe to an untrained shooter.
For at least one area in the US where Firing Squads may still happen, the people appointed to participate in a firing squad are not always "highly" trained. They can pass a standard qualification test, but that's the only standard required. And yes, one rifle will have live ammunition, while the others have blanks. In most cases, the rifles are setup on mounts and already aimed at a pre-determined area. The "port" that the rifles are being fired from have very little space to see. Often times, those operating the rifles do not even witness the firing themselves. They walk into a back door, walk up to the rifle, pull the trigger, and walk out.
I love everything about you and this video! Thank you(:
shout out to my Son Kierden Rani, We love watching your channel. thanks for sharing, very educational as always!
Great video mate, thank you!
Can you talk about the builds behind you? They look great!
Really good video Piet!
Thx for a great informative podcast.
Fascinating. You sort of glossed over (not a criticism) the gravity component. Are long range shooting courses generally setup one direction or the other? Meaning, s shooter firing downrange at a target from west to east? What might be the correction required shooting south to north at 1 mile? I am not a shooter, but love what you do, and have heard the term MoA (I've read about ~1.05 inches per 300 feet), but that is about angles, where I imagine correcting for earth rotation the time of flight is the critical variable. Love your channel.
"Only one person had live ammunition" that was true at some points in history in some places, other places at other times everyone had live ammunition because the enemy can never be to dead.
The worst things I see movies do is have guys run at their target while having a gún in their hands.
Curious to know what kind and power of scope do snipers use? Like the one in front of you.
Joe didn't say hold your breath, he said control your breathing
the USMC can teach any knucklehead how to hit target from 500 yards away with no scope... and they do that in just a few weeks..very impressive I think so anyway
I struggle with my heart beat shooting at longer distances
Opinion on R700 300 winmag?
Great recap! Cheers
need that vortex clock
Great video! It’s a fascinating sport, and your positive influence on the community is infectious!
When you talk about animals moving: last year I went for a deer hunt in Nova Scotia, I had a doe at 40 yards with the crosshairs on her right shoulder, she was super nervous, as I committed to pulling the trigger she turned and I wound up grazing her left shoulder(literally took off hair and the equivalent of a skin tag). How do I know? She showed up on trail cam two days later, with the patch of hair clearly missing. It was a long 20 hour drive home.
Search Tim Wells, he will blow your mind. Some people just have a gift when it comes to hunting. Normies who spend more time behind a screen like myself cannot begin to imagine how well someone like that can anticipate an animal's movement/behavior, but clearly the are guys like that.
Sure, Joe Rogan has hunted a lot, but he's a typical modern hunter who practices on a still standing target and then goes out to shoot a still standing animal. He is a bloody good shot and a strong guy at that, but Tim Wells is to hunting what Garry Kasparov is to chess, simply on a different level.
I watched this just to see how critical you would be of Joe. You were honest and didn't say he's full of it. You also gave away my secret about not holding your breath. I figured it out through my dad teaching me how to hunt, and my taekwondo sensei. My Dad said to pause your breathe and shot. My Sensei said you never stop breathing, because the brain needs air to work properly. So I learned to time the bottom of my breath, best of both worlds! You got a sub for your honesty.
Appreciate the comment. I did TKD for 7 years, loved it. 🥋
What is the blue Riffle behind your head?
Hay Piet. Love your videos.
What is the best way to get into PRS matches in SA ?
Sometimes I check the wind speed with my meter. It's critical and people depend on it.
When your AC isn't working right you might have a guy like he check your airflow velocity with one of those. Make sure that's good. Crossover tool. :)
How much further can you shoot if the winds going the same way as the bullet? Limiting drag etc
On my last trip to SA I had 9 perfect shots and 1 where a Blesbuck turned from broadside to quartering to as I was pulling the trigger. It happens and at 450yds it leads to a less than perfect impact.
In the movie Shooter there is an assassination scene where someone says it takes 6 seconds for the bullet to travel a mile. Most big sniper rounds are moving at around 3000 feet per second. I did a little basic math and it turns out that the 50 BMG which is actually the slower of the military sniper rounds clocks in at 2800 FPS. A mile is 5280 feet. Simple division tells us that this slower round will travel a mile in just about 1.8 seconds. Less than a third the time the movie claimed. But yes, I know, it is a movie. Still I prefer when the technical details in films are accurate.
Also keep in mind the bullet is slowing significantly over the distance
The bullet doesn't fly at muzzle velocity all the way to the target. At a mile the bullet is most likely under 1000fps. Time of flight of 6 seconds for a 50BMG is about right.
@wadepolly1798 actually by the time the 50 BMG round reaches a mile it has dropped to 1500 ft per second. Even if it had traveled that speed from the muzzle all the way to the target It would still be there in less than 4 seconds. If you want to calculate for velocity drop from the muzzle to one mile you are still looking at a little over 3.5 seconds at the most. 6 seconds is still absurdly high and it would take nowhere near that long.
Very , very good advice , THANKS
Great Video - Joe should have you on a podcast
This guy reached Prestige 10 and unlocked all camos and weapons in real life 😂😂 cool background
Hey about the holding the breath. I have no idea where I read this. But it was when I was a kid, so maybe it's old technique.
But I'm sure it said like when you breath in. You apply first pressure to trigger and breath half way out. And pull trigger
(It's genuinely possible I invented this in my head and think it's a memory. Like I had a dream about hair only growing at night. Then thought that was real haha.)
I also remember reading if you turn the spotting scope slightly out of focus you can see vapour trail of bullets. A quarter turn out of focus is stuck in my brain for some reason.
What is your opinion on dry firing?
There is no opinion. It must be done.
An old timer who was involved with firing squads in WW2 told me that was told to squat members but they were all live rounds in reality
As they say "The second shot is more accurate than the first."
Awesome video, you really know your stuff. Ohh man, you have to try bow hunting with a traditional bow. It is the most fun hunt you can do! Crazy fun, especially still hunting and stalking!
Im no sniper, lol but I get into shooting and hunting. Ive hunted all my life and also grew up shooting bows on and off as well but that's too much of a tangent 😄. But like 4 years ago I decided to buy a cheap break barrel air rifle to occupy myself with and even though I already knew how to shoot real guns I ended up having to practice and reeducate myself in a few ways that I think were really helpful. Besides the therapeutic aspect of it all it was like.. stimulating (for lack of a better word😆) and it put the passion back into me to start shooting my rimfire and center-fires a lot more. With the break barrels your shooting 8grain pellet 15-60 yrds with a garbage trigger and and weird kick from the piston that forces you to use a proper balanced technique to be able to hit anything. It's not even like a pcp or rimfire at all but its so bad that it forces you appreciate the little things.
I guess what I initially was thinking to comment is..
.. making these long ass shots can be a high skill demanding and difficult thing... but not always. Cuz like.. with perfect weather and environment conditions..a already set up rifle.. making that 1000yrd shot can be as simple as making a common sense shot. It's just the nature of a predialed, perfected system in a non chaotic environment. But that's no fun and I realize that that's just an idealized frame of reference. Idk...i think about weird things.
TBH I could never afford to go long range shooting with anything other than a 223. But I enjoy playing with my 22lr and trying different ammos at different distances up to 200yrds. Im just a broke ass county boy with lots of opinions but no options haha
I built my long range 308 out of a savage axis for just under $1000. Thats including the original cost of rifle and the optic and custom barrel etc. Yeah it's $2 a bullet for boat tail ammo but when I'm shooting long range I usually only bring a box or 2 of ammo and that lasts me a few hours. I was making hits at 800 yards with a strong wind last time. I'll be pushing out to 1000 yards next time. It's not easy but you can put together a long range build for cheap if you do all the research and work yourself.
@@1badombre82 $1000 in SA rand is R17800, if you only earn R9000 - R15000 it is a lot of money for a rifle. And then ammunition is R15/bullet. It becomes a very expressive sport.
@@kobusdup7910 R9000-R15000 a year? And I think you meant R1780 not R17800. $ 0.57= R 1
With shooting squads, ALL BUT ONE had live rounds. Only one was a blank. That gave the emotional out for all the shooters.
Have a missed the video when you invited Army Ranger Sniper Nick Irving "The Reaper" to a shooting contest? 🤣
Who is anti trump and lied in his book. Skip
@@Rubelesshe is not anti Trump, he is anti government, and what did he lie about in his book?He is a national hero confirmed. Show a little respect.
@@roadkang-cartwright7390 dude can barley zero off a few rounds he’s shown that multiple times. Most competitive shooters I know are better then that
@@zackbogart2604 competitive shooters do this on a regular basis with the most modern and up to date shooting systems. It is a skill you must keep up like any other profession. I have never shot under 38/40 in qualifying in the Infantry, I doubt I could do that now. This man is a confirmed successful sniper. I know how confirmed shootings get recorded , he would not be able to lie about that. Just giving insight , guess I am biased being infantry and a designated marksman ( not a sniper) . I don’t care how he shoots now, but he did his job when enlisted.
Dudes a plant... real Rangers can't stand him and he's full of shit!
My dad shot a deer at a quarter mile, with a 30-30. He admitted it was a pretty lucky shot, because that round isn’t supposed to be used for long range shooting.
Most of us have scopes that cost more than the rifle, I get the feeling not so much in that room.
So what's you said I can curve a bullet or a shot based on the wind direction and the wind speed but not by throwing your weapon from one side to another?
Loved the episode. New subscriber
Joe is amazing and he got us a new sub also 🇦🇺🙏
The last time I looked, the top 20 furthest confirmed sniper shots started in the 1200’s and most were under 1700. My take away is that snipers actually very rarely shoot as far a s Hollywood would have us believe. The confirmed mile+ snipe shots can be counted on one hand, and are legendary for the reasons Pete discussed in this video.
What you wrote is generally true with some exceptions. For example, Canadian snipers shot at long range for a day or multiple days - see this talked about on Rogan. They broke the record over and over on the same day.
@ is that the same Canadian sniper team who said they were taking 8-20 shots per target, and the targets would just stand there confused because they couldn’t figure out what was hitting the ground around them?
Yes, in your head that happened. @@fnkdtnk
I'm never going to shoot 2mi but i did just start reloading. Last weekend i did a ladder test and stacked two groups on top of each other in 0.67".
I have to say i was impressed with myself for my first try
don't do what i did and buy every bullet known to man , just pick a good hunting/match bullet and find something that works first before you go nuts lol
Fun!!!
You have a sub i am a amateur long range shooter grew up shooting 2 rounds a year the shot you made sure it was still zerod and the kill. Got into airguns recently where i can shoot alot in my land, i have seen an increase in my accuracy just by the annoying of time behind a similar platform
Nice video and discussion.
@impact Great video, subscribed today, have you found an easy way to easy way to explain the intricacies of the coreolis effect on long range projectiles to a layman. I understand it but haven't found a way to explain this in simple terms with reference to the projectiles being effected by drag, gravity and earth curvature in simple terms? And how to correct for this
Dummy rounds and blanks are definitely not the same. Dummy rounds are completely inert. They’re used for dry firing practice. Blanks have powder but no bullet.
Great video. I'm actually a bit surprised Joe was that accurate.
I mean he hunts. He's shot rifles at a decent range. He's not a complete amateur about it.
The firing squad thing is actually the other way around, as in, five rifles, 4 bullets, one blank.
“People only know what they know”😉
dial for elevation hold for wind
Look up tbe automated firing quad . That even left the possible " wasnt me" option. I femember reading something about it.
It’s exactly why guys look @ me funny when I say “I hunt whitetail deer w/a .22 Hornet.” Their jaw drops & they usually say “I’ve lost too many deer, you?” 1-in 28yrs (150yds or less)
Who makes the ARD for your impact 4000?
the blank round was rarely used, and if it was it was only one blank
Aerodynamic jump can be explained using the Magnus effect
Where / How do I start?!