Mary Queen of Scots (2018) | Saoirse Ronan & Margot Robbie's Secret Meeting
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- Опубліковано 1 бер 2022
- Queen Elizabeth I (Margot Robbie) and Mary, Queen of Scots (Saoirse Ronan) surreptitiously meet following Mary's abdication from Scottish power and exile to England.
Film Synopsis:
Mary Queen of Scots explores the turbulent life of the charismatic Mary Stuart (Academy Award® nominee Saoirse Ronan). Queen of France at 16, widowed at 18, Mary defies pressure to remarry and instead returns to her native Scotland to reclaim her rightful throne. By birth, she also has a rival claim to the throne of Elizabeth I (Academy Award® nominee Margot Robbie), who rules as the Queen of England. Determined to rule as much more than a figurehead, Mary asserts her claim to the English throne, threatening Elizabeth's sovereignty. Rivals in power and in love, the two Queens make very different choices about marriage and children. Betrayal, rebellion and conspiracies within each court imperil both Queens-driving them apart, as each woman experiences the bitter cost of power.
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The fact that they havent seen each other until this very scene and it makes their acting more genuine. Their first look of reaction is astonishing. 😍
i didn't realize they purposefully kept the actors apart. no wonder; that look of barely-stifled shock on saoirse ronan's face couldn't be faked. I'd be shocked af too if I knew I was gonna meet Margot f'ing Robbie and that's what I saw.
@@seraphik i’d be like that to meet Saorsie Ronan!
In real life they never met! That is a fact.
To the people complaining about how they never met…what part of secret meeting do y’all not understand? 😂😂😂 it’s meant to be an imagination of how it might of been if they had met.
What part of it would be extremely difficult for Elizabeth I to just disappear from court long enough for her to meet with Mary do you not understand? Or do you think she had access
to Littlefinger's jetpack?
@@faithworldleader6891 Omg it’s a movie. So what they sprinkled some fiction in, it’s not that serious.
@@lizanne373 absolutely!
I agree, it’s the closest to what a meeting could have been. And I heard that a lot of the dialogue comes from the real life letters they sent between each other, but it is better drama to meet than to read letters back and forth.
Well you and me and some people here would understand that this is fictional but a lot of people really do think these things happened.. I've encountered people who base their history on the "reign"
I am starting to be convinced that there is nothing Margot Robbie cannot do. The woman is amazing.
Shes fake
She’s very lucky to have been given every opportunity to exemplify this. Many others have not.
Yup she’s not type cast the same character or themselves .. jho, Jennifer Aniston, Megan fox, Angelina Jolie. At least Robbie can act
@@Bunny11344 leave angelina out of this goddamn 😭😭
@@Bunny11344 L
As Scots, we often find that people are never too good at replicating our accents, but Saoirse Ronan really pulled it off in this movie
Assuming Mary had a Scots accent...
Well saoirse is irish so its not that far of for her.
@@izzy19 yes.. I know
@@SP-ki5gn oh no she probably didn't, more than likely French
@@izzy19 ridiculous - the accents are nothing alike.
The way reality was portrayed here. With how queen Elisabeth would have looked after her small pox was great. Usually they portray her as perpetually beautiful. She certainly wasn’t after her illness.
The white makeup was only worn to hide her scars. She looks so garish in this scene!
She looks like Margot Robbie
.. With a random black man..
Yep.. Totally realistic in 🏴
Am I thinking of the wrong queen? Didn’t she wear makeup that contained large amounts of lead or mercury? She kept trying to cover up the damage that was being done but the products she was using on her face were killing her.
@@iszlasophialayla9630 youright poor lady
She has hardly ever been played by a beautiful actress and they always cake themselves in white paint. What planet do you live on?
The way Margot delivered the line "your inferior?!” @6:41 Was incredible, it was like Mary (Saoirse) plunged a dagger in her heart and you could feel her deep sadness/disbelief through the screen. When Saoirse said "And should you murder me, remember that you murder your sister - and you murder your Queen.” It sent chills down my spine. These actresses are so incredibly talented, they did an amazing job.
Ronan is a great actress but I thought she was pretty average in this film. Robbie was leagues above her. In this scene especially
@@chrisbirch4150 Nonsense!
@@Anarchy-Is-Liberty I speak sense sir
Nobody will ever know the historical accuracy but it is certainly poignant.
Historian say they never met and they probably didn’t, but there’s is a small chance they actually could have . We weren’t there and they would’ve made sure that the news didn’t get out , cmon they were both powerful queens and could manipulate the system and men around them.
No. It is more likely that the earth is flat.
This is not a historical account...a hysterical account YES
Cecil wouldnt let that happen as he & most believed Mary would be able to charm Elizabeth into helping her
i lowkey feel like they have met and didn’t tell ppl at all. they both did so much things that no one knows about except their loyal ones.
@@johnfinnie1181 I agree that most likely didn’t happen, nor could it have happened. I disagree however that Marry could’ve turned Elizabeth to her side. While Elizabeth was upset that an anointed queen had been overthrown (she didn’t want the Catholics getting any ideas), but at the end of the day Mary was the direct descendent of Henry the seventh, and she was born in wedlock. Of all of Elizabeth’s female cousins she was the one who had the strongest claim to the throne. That made her a threat to The Virgin Queen’s rein and Elizabeth knew it and feared it.
"Now I see no reason for envy. Your gifts are your downfall." Ooooh snap! 👁👄👁
Hello, Viviane. How are you doing?
I'm a history person like all the complainers, but I went in not expecting this to be historically accurate at all: just a stylized retelling, kind of like Elizabeth (1998). Without movies like this, though, I might have never been curious enough to research the real people and events. :)
I’m wondering how far this will go though. Is it then okay for white people to portray minorities? It’s like if a white person wanted to play MLK to be a “stylized retelling.” At what point do we draw the line?
@@JustSujC White people have been portraying minorities since before film. See blackface and yellow face. And it was done in a harmful manner. This is not offensive, just a different take. Same with the Hamilton musical.
Yeah like if anything as good as the 1998 movie was, the fact that they villainized Elizabeth's most faithful friend Robert really annoyed me. I feel like that should garner more outrage than Elizabeth and Mary's secret meeting.
“History buff” is the term you’re looking for, scene is cool, nice to imagine different scenarios, but why is the cast so “diverse”?
@@LoLFilmStudiosit was not the term I was looking for because I dislike the term personally. Too trite and doesn't describe me.
At the end of the day if you don't like seeing minorities in movies then just say the film isn't for you and move on.
It’s puzzling to me that people would be shocked that Mary would have a Scottish accent.. while in Scotland. I’m sure she still spoke French but she was the queen of Scotland.. i read she had Scottish tutors and advisors in France who were there to keep her in tune with her countries language/ culture. She clearly took to the French culture way more.. idk just ranting lol
She would have had a French accent, not Scottish. In fact it is doubted that she was even fully fluent in English, and certainly at court they would have spoken French
She was fluent in both French and Scots, but not English. She also would have known Latin, as this was the norm for those high up in the feudal system at the time.
It was known that she spoke both Scots and French apparently there was a time she had to talk to the English and she actually spoke in Middle Scots but the English could not understand Middle Scots so she asked "Do you speak French?" in french.
@@rammingspeed5217 you keep making this strange, illogical racist comment again and again. One this is a modern, fictional retelling, two Scotland and the UK as a whole are not “white” countries but have a diverse population and three they ALWAYS have. 🤣 you think people of colour only sprouted into existence like 50 years ago?! You have absolutely no idea of British history if you do. You’re just a small minded, ahistorical irrational racist.
@@drrd4127 very fascinating! Any recommended books about MQS?
I was listening to a podcast called “in our time”and it had a time when Mary was in the French court in the nursery and Catherine de Medici tells her “why do you not bow to the queen of France?” And Mary responds “why do you not bow to the queen of Scotland?” Lol
I completely agree that they definitely made Mary dislikable and Elizabeth soft spoken, leveled and very relatable. I don’t think a face to face meeting would have went this way- mainly on Elizabeth’s end.
How is Mary dislikable
@@justsayin7416 well probably acting like an entitled brat when Elizabeth wouldnt risk a war due to her poor decisions
@@justsayin7416 At this point in Mary's life she was pretty miserable and desperate and very lonely. For them to portray her here at this point in time as an entitle brat doesn't make much sense. Elizabeth had all the power not Mary.
Yep, this scene immediately went to implausible territory at the wig removal. For Mary to be so confrontational as to directly say she had more claim to England would have expedited her execution, not resulted in Elizabeth showing vulnerability and promise of protection. And even if it were a ruse on Elizabeth's part, the lie would have been made apparent when she tearily said, "I am NOT my father..." Historians documented that Elizabeth famously declared, "I am my Father's Daughter."
@@justsayin7416 because she’s Scottish. That’s reason enough
Saoirse's last line gives me chills every time I watch this scene. Love this movie.
This is an incredible scene. I see where Mary comes from, but she scolds Elizabeth while she stands there crownless, turned on by kin and country. Meanwhile Elizabeth is stalwart, overseeing the golden age of England. The juxtaposition to their looks is incredible. “I am more man than woman” Elizabeth knew the sacrifice she would have to make to the throne and she made that sacrifice many years ago. There was wisdom in her choices, and honour in Mary’s.
"There was wisdom in her choices, and honour in Mary’s."
There was zero wisdom in Elizabeth's choice to deny the English throne an heir.
Had Mary's son died after she was captured then her execution would have left the succession an open and catastrophically bloody question mark that would have made the combined bloodshed of Elizabeth's 3 predecessors reigns seem sweet by comparison.
Henry VIII's entire obsession with gaining a male heir was precisely to avoid a repeat of The Anarchy which occurred between William the Conqueror's grandchildren merely because the obvious legitimate successor (Empress Matilda) was a girl while a bastard of her uncle (Stephen of Blois) was male and thus more acceptable to the Norman barons of the time.
The outcome of The Anarchy was a great improvement in the form of Henry II, but that came at the cost of years of civil war between the 2 royal cousins vying for the English throne.
@@NomadHorizons I don't believe there was much honor in Mary's choices. She made terrible choices. She had power from a young age that went straight to her head and when it came time to use it she flailed.
@@NomadHorizonsfor Elizabeth there was actually great reason for her to deny an heir until the last minute. She knew that as soon as she did there would be factionalism. Her advisors did not want it to go to the Staurts due to Mary's Catholicism. Additionally Henry VIII had actually already disinherited the Staurt claim back in the day.
However Elizabeth believed strongly in primigenia, and actually supported the Staurt claim (a lot of her advisors were for the Grey claim). But she saw what happened with her sister Mary, as soon as she was named heir your court flocks to the next in line to curry favour. You basically risk losing a lot of power. Elizabeth starved this off till the last minute.
I think you are massively underpaying the type of threat she was under throughout the entirety of her reign, both externally and internally. As soon as she names an heir, she nails her colour to the mast.
Everyone talking about inaccuracies, like let me go in my time machine and see if it checks out just to satisfy y'all, like damn, it's just a movie!
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A bad one.
@@Ronkyort0dox and u could do better?
@@calcifer4297 were u there in the middle ages? How well are u versed to speak on such issues?
It's trying to make out Elizabeth as so much better though - which in this case is somewhat suspect considering how merciful the execution of her own mother Anne Boleyn was compared to the reality of MQS's grisly and brutal execution.
makeup team needs an oscar just for doing the impossible: making margot robbie ugly. 😱never thought i would see that. That woman is other dimension beautiful
Well, historically speaking, the make up back then wasn't really that good, especially for Elizabeth I, with smallpox scars, her skin would have been quite bad too because of the make up.
So, absolutely! They do need an Oscar. They did an incredible job with making it look authentic
she didnt look bad imo. the makeup being crumply was the only thing and that doesnt make her ugly. also I *LOVE* that nose, especially on her
She is just blonde and blue eyed
@@i.i1215 and there are multiple actresses who look like her. literally there's a margot robbie cinematic universe.
For a second I legit thought the Red Queen is getting her own spin off movie, Elizabeth I really look like the Red Queen
thats because the tim burtons red queen was inspired by Queen Elizabeth the 1st and fun fact the original Disney cartoon version of the queen of hearts was inspired by queen victoria!
@@rainbowpuppet77 Not surprising - the era of the earlier 20th century still all but worshipped Victoria while more recent decades of film seem to be obsessed with Elizabeth I for a reason probably having to do with the rise of feminism.
@@NomadHorizons yeah that makes sense I mean Elizabeth really is an icon and creates a positive role model for young children in some ways so I can understand the obsession especially a woman in power can be hard to come by also I remember seeing something about the whole victoria thing where people just gravitated towards her for some reason I honestly have a clue as to the reason but its very interesting!
the red queen looks like elizabeth, as she was inspired by her
One must give Elizabeth credit tho. Her hold on the throne was rather shaky and she had lost her looks at an early age due to smallpox, but she kept moving forward like a resilient lioness and remained steadfast and resolute in the face of Mary claiming her throne with both Catholic and French military backing. She on the surface sued for peace and kept the Catholic powers with Mary's indisputable claim at bay while strengthening England's military defenses and maintaining order in her realm.
Mary, despite her bravery and magnanimous courage, charm and beauty was really doomed after she lost the crown of France. The Scots would not accept her because she was a Catholic and seen as a Frenchwoman. Even with Mary's victory of providing an heir and securing her dynasty, in the end, it still couldn't save her lest she converted to Protestantism. She was too willful for that. With Darnley murdered, she failed to jail Bothwell and instead married him, a great misstep which led to her tragic downfall. Such a shame, she really was quite good otherwise and could've been better still.
Both women were very intelligent, but it seems in the game of Machiavellian wisdom, Elizabeth learned her lessons earlier on while Mary learned hers too late.
I was looking for a solid interpretation of this final scene. Thank you so much.
Well said
Yes! Mary Stuart had perhaps the greater beauty, intellectual curiosity, and color of personality, but Elizabeth had the deeper character and the broader wisdom. In the end, wisdom beat charisma between the two queens.
Fun Fact: Mary's claim to the throne was actually weaker. Henry VIII technically disowned the Stuart line with the Succession Act of 1543 when he pushed the descendants of his younger sister Mary above his elder sister Margaret's(from which the Stuarts claimed the throne). Had Lady Jane Grey not try to take the throne after Edward's death or Elizabeth followed her father's wishes regardless, her successor would have been Anne Stanley, Countess of Castlehaven which means that the Lyttelton family would be the Royal Family today with Christopher Lyttelton as king starting in 2006.
Lady Jane didn't 'take' the throne, in fact it troubled her greatly when she discovered that young King Edward VI named her his heir. He lept across the family tree, chosing not his Catholic sister Mary, but go to his distant relative Lady Jane, who was protestant. Though never crowned in Westminster, she was Queen of England chosen by the monarch, and Lady Mary usurped her and she took the throne from her.
@@lauracrimson She technically did, it was just forced upon her. Her claim comes from being a descendant of Henry's sister Mary. Had her supporters not jump the gun twice by trying to supersede catholic Mary I & try a rebellion afterwards, Elizabeth may have been inclined to follow her father's wishes. She probably saw the seeds of another war of roses brewing and tried to correct by just going by absolute prim starting with her grandfather's kids. The Stuarts just turned out to be terrible rulers and their German descendants had to take over.
@@umitencho That was because her greedy father manipulated King Edward who was dying. Lady Jane Grey knew it wasn't right for her to take the throne. Especially when Queen Mary Tudor was more popular and seen as rightful heir due to Catherine of Aragon being very popular and loved by England of that time period. Due to Lady Jane Grey father rebellion and threatening the crown, Mary was forced to execute Lady Jane Grey despite being against it. A course before her death, she tried to convince Lady Jane Grey to Catholicism. After Mary Tudor death, in France Queen Mary of Scots was actually announced as new Queen of England because Elizabeth was seen as illumingilment to the throne. In a way Mary of Scots has always felt she deserved to be next on the throne of England, at some point her legacy continues with her son King James 6th Scotland and 1st of England and Ireland.
Exactly, but ya gotta have the protagonist be strong nd sheyitt
Why did he disown the Stuart line?
I knew these two women could act, buy WOW I did not know how well. I am just stunned. Well done ladies. Well done indeed.
This was a brilliant film and why it never garnered Oscar nominations for both is beyond me.
I agree!! it was a decent film & their performance was sublime especially in this scene.
I have mixed thoughts on the film itself but it's crazy neither actress was nominated. They were both excellent.
I love both actresses so much. They are phenomenal
Queen Mary sounds like she grew up on a Kilmarnock housing scheme..
Unrealistic..
Plus the random BLACK dude.. Wtf is that about?.. Anoattempt at erasing white people from their OWN history
They ruined the scene with everything else they did wrong in the movie, did this take place in the United States? Wth ware they thinking…
@@LoLFilmStudios I think it’s a US movie but it’s not meant to be historically accurate
It’s based on the play I think?
This is beautiful. If there ever was a meeting between these two women, I believe it would be almost identical to this. We will never know.
A woman on the throne had to worry about so much, especially with no spouse or heir and was a constant fear for Elizabeth. Mary did what she could to keep her country and her life, from start to finish. Her only crime was being a woman who wore a crown.
That and being part of the plot to have Elizabeth killed.
Her only crime was being incompetent. Elizabeth was also a woman and a queen but her reign was a great era of cultural flowering and elevating England (and the British Isles) as one of the great world powers. Elizabeth was an incredibly intelligent and knowledgeable person, and a great, albeit reluctant ruler. Mary was none of this and her failures were her own, not societal or of the men around her. If you do not wish to compare Mary to Elizabeth, then compare Mary to her mother Marie de Guise, who ruled very competently as a regent while Mary was a child in France.
@@kyarden7971 no
Both of them together couldn't give me even a single chill as compared to watching and listening Cate Blanchet as Elizabeth.
Facts Cate Blanchet was meant to play Elizabeth
IF THIS AINT THE DAMN TRUTH! Cate's prowess is unmatched.
Why do so many people have such an incessant need to compare things??? It’s okay to appreciate two different performances in their own way, so weird to me how people can’t appreciate something these days without knocking down something else.
@@davidmichael9624 i dont think I was comparing the actresses per say I was comparing the performance. Cate Blanchet brought Elizabeth to life as a force to be wrecking with more authentic while Maggie Robbie was jus good playing Elizabeth beside the Movie Elizabeth had more facts than what Mary Queen of Scots provide cause these 2 powerhouses never met so that's probably why Maggie Robbies falls flat in certain scenes not because she wasnt good it was just bad story line
Can't appreciate something that is bad
I am happy that Margot robbie is breaking out from that "dumb bombshell" label because most don't even get the chance to do so
If anything that would be you putting that on her with comments like this. I never thought of her like that, ever. Never heard a single complaint or article call her that. Just you, and now thanks to that I have that image, AND she's doing Barbie???? Am I supposed to think she's a dumb blonde now? Man lol. You did that
Incase you took that literally, no I will not think of her as a dumb blonde now xD
No one has ever referred to Margot that way. Like ever. It’s a trope that you just slapped onto her.
The acting is phenomenal
Truly 👌👌👌👏👏👏
Indeed
It isn't. Saorsie was miscast
The writing is beautiful
The story is total CRAP.
They never actually met and Elizabeth hadn't wanted Mary killed, she regretted it but back then there were only enemies in politics. We are not against turning on our families still today and still for political reasons.
She never regretted it at all. Elizabeth was cold hard witch. She was always jealous of mary
@@ebonyeyes1986 you know she herself was always jealous of mary?
@@ebonyeyes1986 bruh I’d love to see the evidence for that claim. Elizabeth had Mary executed because she was a threat to her claim of the throne, yes, but never have I heard that Elizabeth was jealous of Mary.
@@ebonyeyes1986 uh. No- no this is false information. Don’t be supporting the backstabbing woman who was Mary. They called each other sisters while Mary schemed to take the throne she thought she should have had
Coz it was a secret...
Even though this scene is very likely ahistorical, it’s still wonderfully acted and extremely poignant.
@Sarasti S: It was so beautifully set up... the laundry hanging, representing veils... the process both would have to go through, before they could ‘see’ each other:
I found all the designs in this production simply wondrous!
Mary appears to be living inside a rock, which is hastily decorated as befits a noblewoman/queen: & the costumes! All were wonderful
- I have this movie on DVD, & take great pleasure in re-watching it!
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i have never seen this movie but i was brought to tears by this scene. such phenomenal acting, design, and camera work
It's shot just beautifully. On top of the set design and composition, even the sound editing is top notch.
One criticism I have of this film, there are multiple references to King Henry VIII of England. But I think there could’ve been a few references to Elizabeth’s half sister Mary I, she feared Elizabeth becoming queen and came dangerously close to having her executed for treason during her time on the throne. I thought that might have been good to bring into the dialogue as a way of articulating why Elizabeth struggled with The decision she made regarding Mary of Scots. Especially with regards to Mary’s execution. In one adaptation of Elizabeths story Mary (Tudor) actually had a chance to sign Elizabeth’s death warrant, but didn’t. In spite of everything that that happened between them, she loved her and couldn’t bring herself to do it. That could’ve added to the context of Elizabeth’s heartbreak when the tables were turned at the end of the movie and she followed through with the execution that her sister couldn’t bring herself to do.
This is such an amazing idea
“Your gifts are your downfalls” really says the genius poisoning herself with led over vanity
“How did it come to this?”
If Mary Stuart had quietly gone on with her life in France, she, or her son, would have rightfully ascended to the English throne when Elizabeth died...
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And her son did ascend to the throne and become James 1st.
@@laurajackson23:
Exactly! Mary was cajoled & flattered by the idea of leading a revolution against English (Protestant) rule, even though she had already produced an Heir to the English Throne...
It’s extraordinary that English ‘powers that be’ could cause such suffering - Jeanne d’Arc also...before they were anything else, they were women - I can’t believe that ‘nurturing’ wasn’t in their true nature...
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And if Mary would have stayed in France she wouldn't have had her son.....
Mary was Catholic though and James was Protestant. Not foregone that the nobles then would have gone along with it
He did.
"If I should seek to help your enemies....'tis only because you pushed me to their arms"
How i felt with many people in my life
Saoirse was amazing in Atonement, Little Women and Brooklyn.
I really love this scene! Margot and Saoirse gave a great performance.
Saoirse is such an elite actor
Truly phenomenal acting by 2 of the best in the business.
This scene made me cry like- that's cinema. I love this movie sm 💕
“I was jealous. You seemed to surpass me in every way. But now I see there is no cause for envy. Your gifts are your downfall.” 👍🏼
I keep seeing people in the comments insisting a "secret meeting" was impossible while others saying "well...just maybe." The thing is this movie while based on history is a historical drama and for narrative purposes it is a much more satisfying climax to have Mary and Elizabeth come fact-to-face.
Such a sparkly and unattainable performance 🎭!! Both are astonishing 🤩
total bullshit
Nope.... MARY sounds like she grew up on a housing scheme..... Not how 🏴 Royalty would talk..
Plus HOLLYWEIRDS attempts at shoehorning in BLACK diversity hires to replace ACRUAL white 🏴.
Disgusting
Lets get a white guy to play Nelson Mandella or Malcom X
Margot Robbie is a spectacular actor.
Elizabeth here looks like the Queen from Alice in Wonderland.
Which is fitting since she later basically tell Mary Queen of Scott "off with her head"
What a piece of acting they both have, chefs kiss
Fire the chef then
Mary speaks of what could have been, the strong and close relationship they could have had. Their separate loneliness is palpable. But their respective positions forced them to very different places.
The way Elizabeth Shifts and meakly talks about how she had a wig specilly made for the occasion in a attempt to look her best because she essentially feels Ugly is truly sad and touching . The fact she is queen and had everything and still feels Ugly and inadequate makes her almost childlike. Fun Fact it was revealed after her death that Queen Mary Stuart allso wore a wigg so no need for old Lizzy to feel Less than in this scean. a Lot of women wore wigs and still do for many resons No one bc. after 30 a lot of women suffer from health and nutrient defficanies that cuase there hair to thin or fall out so no shame in having to wear a decent wigg if it makes you feel more beautiful and confidant ladies.
Intense conversation. Wow !! Powerful actresses !!!
So powerful … I don’t know why I shed tears 😂
Never knew Margot Robbie played Queen Elizabeth.
This scene was EVERYTHING
Wow, a Chinese lady in waiting, and a black noble. Both in the 15th century. Who knew?
Mary was just so unlikeable in this movie and Elizabeth seemed powerless and weak in comparison to reality
In the trailer the line was “your gifts will be your downfall”. Wonder why they changed it
Mary lived in France from 5-18years of age. She spoke English with a French accent, which didn’t help her popularity.
Mmmmm the music complements this perfectly.
Both wonderful actresses
I always was interested in these two Queens .. Both of them knew where the powers lies but one early while the other is too late.
Queen Elizabith had to give up a lot especially with what she had to deal with. She made herself suitable for the throne. Mary truly had herself doomed by her beauty and nativity? or even vain?
Mary had a kind heart but knew nothing about how to keep everything. She had lost a lot .. and she is not winning here too. Poor Elizabith .. truly, the curse of her father is never ending.
When talking about their battle, I think none of these two women can really be said as the winner or the loser. Mary got what she wanted, the two kingdoms (Scotland and England) to be united under her family's crown and end the bloodshed. Elizabeth also got what she wanted, to be not marrying, not have to share power with a husband, get rid of the only strongest rival to her throne, Mary, and ruled England in its golden age until the end of her life.
But, let's not forget the points that determine the victory, which were "HEIR" and "RELIGION". Basically, these two countries are fighting for these two things. Mary failed in matters of religion, she was executed and accused of treason by her own people because of her religion, and even though her son ruled over two united nations, still his son eventually became a Protestant monarch. Elizabeth lost in terms of producing an heir, even though she was able to get rid of Mary and keep the country Protestant, still the current royal family get their legitimacy to a unified crown and can trace their lineage back to earlier kings (Tudor, York, Plantagenet, Norman, and Anglo Saxon), these are all from the Mary Stuart line.
I love their acting
Its sh1te..
Nobody in 🏴 sounds like that... And especially not 🏴 Nobility..
Plus the DIVERSITY HIRE.. Hahaha..
Hollyweird trying to erase white 🏴 from its OWN history.
Fiction or Historical, this scene speaks volumes.
I know it's 425 years later or so but can you imagine how hard this is to watch for a Scottish person? Elizabeth knew it would be traumatic for the rest of history. She was right.
I love this movie so much💯
Great acting from both Queens. 🎉
After reading the biography of Elizabeth and piecing together what history handed down, this could have gotten worse quickly if that meeting really happened. Elizabeth was in no way an easy to talk to person. She was sharp tongued, not having disobedience or any shit and could get very bitchy from today's point of view, especially in her later years. My own interpretation is, that Elizabeth didn't like her, but also really didn't wanted to kill her because of her own experience with her sister Mary, as she was at her mercy and imprisoned in the tower before being housebound in Hatfield. In the end Elizabeth had no choice to sign her death warrant, to keep herself in power.
it would have been unwatchable imo without these two. they made this an enjoyable watch, even if it’s super inaccurate (not just this scene but multiple scenes.) yes i get that it’s fiction but the changes made were just ridiculous when they could have easily done it the historically correct way.
either way i recommend this if you wanna see two powerhouse performances but other than that it’s not that great in every other way.
It is unwatchable. Saorsie is particularly bad in this.
@@Ronkyort0dox lmao ok
@@Ronkyort0dox you're complaining under every comment lmao
Elizabeth what an amazing queen!
It would have changed history if they had actually met in real life.
Ya, BUT THEY DIDN'T...And some assholes are trying to change history and make kids think they did...even kids in College. TELL THE F8CKING TRUTH.
Why
This never happened in history but the screenplay is amazing
Apparently in real life Elizabeth met her in secret while she was in prison, and went to see her head and body later to make sure she was dead
The actresses are great, but the dialogue in this scene is very absurd and unrealistic. There is no way that they would have been so emotional and transparent with each other given the situation.. they were complete strangers. I think this might've been better if in the film they had both "imagined" what having this conversation would've been like rather than pretending that they actually did have it.
Yes,,,, they were both great
Such a beautifully acted scene
I hate that people always treat Mary like a victim. Sure, she may have been a victim in some ways. But, she was not a victim of Elizabeth. Mary worked to have Elizabeth, not only deposed, but murdered. Even after all of that Elizabeth was reluctant to execute her. Mary’s hubris, lust, stupidity, and hate was her own downfall. No one else’s.
Preciso rever esse filme. Tenho um pequeno acervo.Estou numa fase de assistir filmes históricos. Aceito sugestões de 2021 em diante,por favor.
Just finished watching The Homesman 2014. Hauntingly beautiful. As a friendly suggestion, don't dive into the most recent historical films... There are dozens and hundreds of underrated period drama movies...
Very good acting
Jealousy & Envy are two utterly different things
Margot Robbie looks like Jessica Lange in the thumbnail.
Mary of guise/ Mary Stewart, Queen of Scotts (cousin)
Mary Tudor, Queen of England (aunt)
Mary the first, Blood Mary (sister)
Or so I've read from research. Damn, they were really fond of the name Mary over there in England.
who is Mary Tudor
@@andiilham6227 King Henry"s sister. She's also called Margarett.
Imagine thinking you’re so hideous and you have to go through all this trouble.
Even though this meeting is fictional it is really cool to think what if they really did meet.
The history books speak nothing of Mary Queen of Scots ever meeting Pennywise!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 damn you!!!
Knowing that in reality they never met and Mary didn’t have a Scottish accent which she probably had a french of a English accent but overall the movie was still ok 👌
Beautiful... People from the past
They should have ruled England and Scotland together as sisters and defied the men who tried to destroy them. Such as tragic history for both. Mary evidently moreso.
This conversation is beyond outlandish. Idk who came up with the dialogue but it is very bad. Mary is not her Queen. Mary is delusional and she probably was in real life too which would explain why she constantly got herself into one bad situation after another. Mary's delusional status is the only thing therefore that is accurate about this ridiculous scene. Elizabeth's claim on England was far stronger than Mary's which is probably why she was Queen of England and not Mary.
The protestant church of England was still very new from Henry viii's schism with the holy Roman church, and very weak. Lineage determined sovereignty and Elizabeth was a childless protestant. If France or Spain had succeeded Mary would have been made queen, by right
I love this film, even though it's quite a fantasy revisionism of history.
Saoirse Ronan makes an excellent Mary Queen of Scots
Mary didn’t speak with a Scottish accent but with French one. She spent most of her life living in France…
im more weirded out that mary has a scottish accent, she was raised in france since she was 5
Best scene 👍
what a diverse cast members 👏🏻
Elizabeth was really looking at her like she was crazy 😂. Girl you bringing up my father, calling yourself MY Queen, when I’m the one with the crown. Tf? You don’t even got a solid plan to get it.
lol saoirse is great tho
In this film happens the impossible: Queen Elizabeth is beautiful, except the make up nose, and Mary of Scot's is clearly less beautiful. It's been thought that exactly the opposite was the matter of the dislike between them. Elizabeth was ugly and Mary very beautiful with amazing charm.
Mary of Scots was a dangerous woman, she wanted under any circumstances the crown. Mary wasn't a victim of Queen Elizabeth, but a victim of Queen Caterina de Medici and the diplomacy of the Cardinals. Mary needs a truly dramatic actress and this should be Margot Robbie with the stunning gift of her beauty, which is an advantage for the role.
Both were homely.
@@Ronkyort0dox There is a death mask of Mary, which presents a charming woman.
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“As Henry killed your mother.” BRUH 🫢
It's so weird seeing someone else other than adelaide kane play Mary Queen of Scots
Everyone had abandoned her, and this movie is supposed to have her as the protagonist being the title character, but the Director and storytellers have a hard time portraying her in a good light, this scene perfectly shows how impossible it was not to behead her. Her life was hanging by a thread even then, Elizabeth warned her that her fate is in her hands, and Elizabeth kept her under such safety for half a lifetime, but protection with no one else in the world to help her proved too much that Mary wrote some thing to condemn her to execution. I’m still processing the fact that she’s supposed to be the protagonist, and the reality of her life makes it impossible to do so. I saw another movie called gunpowder and plot, which shows her equally unhinged. You can see the same defiance in teenagers at school today. Mary could not develop or behave into her 40s.
as i studied history i thought mary stuart's murder turned out to be pointless in the end. elizabeth didn't have any heirs and a stuart (james, mary's son) ruled right after her anyways, leaving the kingdom to the stuarts for many years to come.
It wasn't pointless, Mary was actively involved in plots to murder Elizabeth I on mutiple occasions in cahoots with Philip II of Spain and nobeled english catholics. In fact there is a letter in which she calls Mary out for trying to lure her to the north where she would have been kidnapped.
It wasn't that Elizbeth didn't want the Staurt line (she believed strongly in primigenia) it's Mary's Catholicism made her a lightening rod for rebellion.
IF they ever met (and that is a big IF) there is no way Queen Elizabeth I (or Mary Queen of Scotts) wouldn’t have made sure they looked their best. I get what they are trying to do here-make them look like regular women-but they would never EVER have presented themselves in this way to each other. Any one who has read about them- even a little bit- would know that. There was no was Elizabeth would have taken her wig off like that!
Exactly, but Elizabeth's face definitely would've been caked with lead makeup. They had no idea it was filled with toxic lead, so she just kept putting more on. Her face would've looked this hideous, without question.
Knowing what I have studied about E1, I believe totally that she did visit MQS. Details here are never known and assumptions have to be made. Except for the fact the MQS would have had a French accent, this is a very human depiction showing raw vulnerability from both.
Amazing movie