Claire Floy was so good with her eyes and facial acting when acting as Queen Elizabeth. When she’s not saying anything, her eyes say’s it all. She was so brilliant as the young Queen.
Neither the Royal Family or the Netflix series confirmed if he cheated or not (that would have been disastrous to the reputation of the RF) but it is heavily implied that he had several mistresses during his life. Before this scene, Elizabeth finds the portrait of that ballerina in Phillip's bag just before he went on a trip and Elizabeth hides the portrait. Also the wife of his secretary/best friend divorced him accusing adultery and family neglection. So, heavily implied (wink wink).@@maulikmishra7609
It is heavily implied but never confirmed by the royal family or in the series. But we can conclude he did. The portrait Elizabeth shows to him corresponds to Galina Ulanova, a russian ballerina who was a rumoured mistress of Phillip. Also Philip was a macho guy and known to be a womanizer. was he the only one at the gentleman lunch clubs who never crossed the line? Let me doubt.
@@maulikmishra7609 Remember this is The Crown - a largely fictional account of the Royal family. They were forced to put disclaimers on the episodes stating as much, so we really don't know from this whether it's true or not.
Not Phillips trying gaslighting her about infidelity matter but i love how the queen put him in his place by showing the pic and gave him that powerful stare that i KNEW everything from the beginning. and that deep hurting sadness comes with it. Claire floy is absolutely outstanding actress! i love her ❤
i love the acting at 4.52. he spent the previous part of the scene successfully countering all of her accusations, now she is smirking like she got him, defiant. He looks up and she knows it was true, you can see the eyes then change as the pain takes over.
@@enlightenmententertainment3354 nobody really knows. Not with that ballerina- the only time she was in London he was halfway across the world opening the Olympics. There have been lots of rumors and Prince Phillip denied them and said “I always have a detective and reporters following me around, how could I have an affair?”
That look at 1:19 is just pure gold. The look of - oh you haven't learned your lesson. Ok let me spell it out for you. These two were brillant and still my favorite cast of the crown.
@@prun8893 this is absolutely disgusting. Accepting that my husband only see me as a toy and not a person like him with feelings? Accepting that my husband cheated on me because I didn’t want the same as him? This is so wrong 🙃
@@artisticpain So a husband that wants sex only sees his wife as a toy? Sex is a very, very important part of a spousal relationship. A wife who has little time or interest in sex with her husband IS NO WIFE AT ALL. Therefore, it's not cheating. Sex, in its various forms, every other day will go a long, long way towards keeping your husband "faithful"; OR A wife can dig her heels in and refuse sex regularly because it doesn't fit into her schedule, perceived level of fatigue, or emotional stance. See how that works out. BTW....in return for an attentive wife, a proper husband shall provide for his wife and children, shall create an environment of stability, shall be kind, shall be a good father, spend most evenings in relaxed repose with his wife, etc., etc. Anything less means the man doesn't deserve his attentive wife. The choice is yours......maintain your confrontational sexual principles regardless of your spouse's unhappiness OR take care of your husband sexually and create a household of stability and love.
Oh my second favorite scene from the series and the masterpiece climax to the first 2 seasons! The whole scene is amazing and heartbreaking but how Claire's final look in this scene went from anger....to sadness...to completely heartbroken...all in a few seconds...displayed her immense talent and was absolute genius!
A woman, whom lots of people obey, is being lied to, and cheated on,and have to put on a brave face and do the duties and face the people, anticipating they might have been laughing..... All these emotions, Claire just so effortless.
Yes, but remember this is an episode of The Crown - a series which they were forced to put disclaimers on - stating that the show was largely fiction based on some facts.
@@Rosemary-vf5ei I was talking about acting, not the authenticity of the con tent. The scenario I described was going on in the series, and Claire acted like a goddess
When Philip sees the small portrait of the ballerina he is having an affair with, he looks at the Queen and he doesn't know what to say...........he knows that he has been caught bang to rights. The Queen looks back at him with a look as if to say, "yes that's right, you've been caught". However, her defiant look gives way to something else........we can literally see her heart breaking, and it takes ever ounce of strength she possesses not to cry. Brilliant acting.
It’s not just hear heart. It’s her belief that he is having an affair with the ballerina that’s also cracking. She was resolute in that belief and in his silence she begins to doubt that such an affair took place. You can see her defiance cracking and it is masterful, instinctive acting.
And if I could just quickly add....what I think makes this scene so heartbreaking...she finally realizes that she loves him so much more than he ever does for her...😢 I think her heartbreaking look at the end there says it all......
I think that Philip did cheat on the Queen with many women over the years. I doubt very much they ever had a conversation like this scene. Direct confrontation was not the Queen’s way. Strict marital fidelity is not the aristocratic way, especially for husbands. But recreational extracurricular activities were not viewed as being a threat to the marital relationship but coexisting with it. At least for the men. A double standard is in play for the wives. I think the queen knew about many of Phillips dalliances but pretended that she didn’t and in exchange he remained her Rock for 73 years. I think he loved her very much. It’s just that men don’t equate sex with love the same way women do. They can sample other wares outside the marital bed but if their hearts aren’t engaged, it truly means nothing to them. It’s like scratching an itch or eating when they are hungry. The physical need that is compelling in the moment but the minute it is satisfied it’s completely forgotten about. The queen was also incredibly busy and an extroverted sociable alpha man like Philip needed more attention then she could provide him. The queen and Philip had a very special connection. She never stopped looking at him the way she did in her engagement picture… Adoringly. They had four children. I love the pictures of her at Trooping the Color in 1964, holding 2 month old baby Edward. The queen looks so happy and Philip is also beaming. I don’t think that was all for public display but they were genuinely happy that day.
@@marywenzel3199 Well I do appreciate your thoughts but I think cheating is one of the most selfish and hurtful and actually hateful things a person could ever do to someone because it hurts them SO TERRIBLY. If someone truly and deeply loves someone...they would never cheat. I do agree most men do think that...but certainly not all do. But I think youre absolutely correct theres a double standard!
@@mattdavis1735 I absolutely agree that marital infidelity is a terrible betrayal. .. I couldn’t look the other way either. But moral codes are shall we say more flexible in the aristocracy. The idea that a man has a moral obligation to be faithful to his wife when his social station allows him to buy anything or anyone is what the aristos would Pooh Pooh as a “bourgeois” idea that does not apply equally to the masters of the universe. Yet they stand up in church and swear before God and man to be faithful. Hypocritical AF? You bet. But it was ever thus with Kings. Until the Victorian era at least, the King’s mistress was not only well known but she was a person of influence at court-at least until she lost favor and was replaced. Madam du Barry and Nell Gwynne wielded as much soft power as the legitimate Queen. When he was still a youth KCIII announced to his parents that he had no intention of being the first King in history not to have a mistress. He kept his word there at the expense of his wedding vows to a vulnerable young woman who’d already experienced divorce trauma in her birth family. (If Alan Bennett is telling the truth, the much reviled George III never was unfaithful to his Queen even after 15 children-and his doctors actually wondered if his lack of “recreational opportunities” had contributed to his difficulties!) Ridiculed for fidelity to his wife-that is the aristocratic code. I’m not down with this but it’s so common as to be accepted practice in the world Charles and Diana were raised in. Charles felt justified in carrying on with Camilla because most of his peers and role models were doing the same, to tacit acceptance. And he had made no secret of his feelings for Camilla to his elders who had forbid him ti marry her. In Charles’ mind that wasn’t sneaking around but a known fact. His remark at the engagement-“Whatever love means”-that so hurt Diana was Charles’ oblique attempt at honesty. He would not be forced into gushy sentiments he did not feel. To him the marriage was a business merger, a dynastic duty which as a dutiful son and heir he was fulfilling. His heart was still a free agent and belonged to Camilla. Evidently Camilla did not perceive Diana as a threat; her real rival was Lady Kanga Tryon, Royal mistress #2. Diana befriended Kanga on purpose which is pretty delicious. She hated Camilla so much that she had no problem sharing her husband with yet another woman if the other woman could get him away from Camilla. This is court intrigue for you, and Diana learned how to play the game. It would’ve been better for all concerned if Charles could’ve genuinely falling in love with his wife and been with only her. Failing that, I think he intended to stay married to her and make her his Queen while keeping his ladies on the side as had been accepted from all his predecessors. This arrangement was not tolerable to Diana and she made married life intolerable for the both of them. I empathize with her sense of betrayal but she ultimately forced Charles to divorce her. After she’d done it she immediately regretted the price she had to pay. I’ve recently read that even ER’s sainted father had a “special friend” who tended to physical needs the QM no longer could or wanted to after 2 difficult pregnancies and C-sections. QM was fully aware and actually thanked the lady for her attentions to her husband. If Diana had taken the same view, she might now be Queen. At a cost of course. There is always a cost. Diana rebelled against the status quo and paid with her life. She was not faithful to Charles either with many men, often married ones and/or employees of the Royal household. So, glass houses. She admitted herself that she was the first to cheat. It’s a sad sad tragic business that is still being played out today. Look at Harry
@@marywenzel3199 I just saw quite a few articles about Prince William and his possible mistress and remembered all that you said! Mary you are super informed about all this and I am just shocked that after knowing and experiencing all the hurt and pain that his mom went through, that William would do the same to Kate. Thanks for sharing!
@@mattdavis1735 Thanks. I imagine the most frustrating thing about being in the royal family is that the media and even commissioned biographical sources don’t tell the whole story. Or even necessarily the real story. William is a human man and I know that he dated quite a few girls besides Kate. He was quite serious about Jecca Craig Seeing as he blew off his cousin Peter’s wedding to attend the wedding of Jecca’a brother in South Africa which was occurring on the same day. That raise some eyebrows since the groom sister was William‘s old flame. Apparently it was on the Craig family estate where William popped the question to Kate with Diana‘s ring. So I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he can have married female friends in his circle that he is not sleeping with. Rose H is a near neighbor in Norfolk and her husband until the secession of king Charles was the lord chamberlain of England, a very important role at court. So it would be exceedingly weird not to mention difficult for William to completely avoid lord Rocksavage and his wife just to curtail speculation that he’s having an affair with Rose. We have to ask ourselves, cui bono? Who benefit the most from keeping these rose infidelity rumors stirred up? Sussex Court West comes to mind. They would like nothing better than to interfere in the Wales marriage and keep everybody miserable. I will only observe that narcissists attack their targets for the same “sins” which they themselves do. Certain couple in Montecito plays away from home all the time. And they wouldn’t think anything of making false accusations. It is very common for aristocratic men to have affairs. Philip did it, even the late queens father had a mistress. If all parties accept it it is not a threat to the marriage. I think William having gone through what he did with his parents would not be cavalier with his wife’s feelings or his children’s sense of security. If he got drunk one night and had an indiscretion… Well stuff happens when you’re drunk. That wouldn’t be an affair in the same way as Charles and Camilla. To Charles his credit he did publicly admit to the af fair, very publicly in a television interview in 1994. A decade after it started it was hardly shocking news but he owned up to it with quite a shocking amount of honesty. I think in his mind and in the social conventions of his circle, he did not consider the relationship with Camilla and His marriage as being mutually exclusive. Perhaps a selfish attitude but it really was the done thing. Duty to the crown and personal pleasure are separate things. I think Charles was aware of Diana’s many extracurricular friends but he accepted it. In return he expected the same consideration from her but she broke the unstated rule. She wanted Charles all to herself all the time as a form of control really and that’s not the way it works with kings. I’m not defending Charles and Camilla for being cruel to Diana But Diana made a deal to become princess of Wales and then decided to complain about the terms. She violated never complain never explain. She knew about Camilla in advance of the wedding and she went through with it anyway so it’s not like he sprung it on her after the fact. If she had played along and allowed him his friends, she would be queen today of this time very certain. What a different world we would be living in. William and Catherine’s marriage is ultimately between the two of them but Catherine had a decade to decide if she could live with the terms of being Royal and she decided that she could. That means sharing her husband and her life with the world media and potentially other women but I do not automatically Believe everything published about the royal family especially when it’s unflattering because there are anti-monarchists with agendas out there and they are having a field day today.
@@kaviyaprabharan1832 Philip was a giant racist....He did love his family but he was an elitist and looked down on anyone who wasn't a royal and had preconceived awful notions about other races. That's the truth. This show tries to remake his image yet mostly Americans don't get how bad he actually was.
Claire gives her so much strength through her pauses and looks. In that she gives dignity. But the follow-up era is still moving. As she matures the pressure must have been huge.
I wish they kept her through the whole series, with advancements with SFX makeup and CGI I'm sure they would've been able to age her accordingly. No shade to the other actresses but Claire was meant for this role.
I don't think calling what Claire Foy does in this scene acting is sufficient. She is emoting deep feelings and transfers them right into the viewer, mostly through her eyes. Amazing.
She would have been so much happier with Porchey...but she decided to go against good advice and stayed with the bad boy... IF ONLy she had given Porchey the benefit of the doubt I think she would have fallen so in love with him. He stayed a true loyal friend till the end.
Love the acting by both of them Claire is an extraordinary actress and so is Matt But those were very private meetings of the Queen and Philip, so these are speculations by the series writer's good ones, but they are fictional historically accurate moments on a scene Just masterful work by everyone involved in this series production cheers!
@@awill3992 They are English royalty. That should tell you all you need to know about their restraint. If you don't understand it, it's not the writing's fault.
I realize the crown is fiction based on historical events but I can absolutely see Her Majesty doing this with Prince Phillip. We know they were married for 70 + years but I'm sure it wasn't all roses. That's any marriage really. Her Majesty was a truly amazing woman.
I worked with a guy who was Prince Philips private driver for 12 years. Most of his private trips were to his long term mistress Lady Penny something. It was widely thought by staff that the Queen knew, but kept him on a long leash. Years later I met a woman whose husband was also a driver for the Royals & she said her husband had said the same ee the longterm mistress.
In real life, when Queen Elizabeth discovers that she is pregnant with her fourth child, she also discovers that Felipe cheated on her with many women.
it is a known historical fact or is this poetic license of a work of fiction based on reality? I'm not making a statement, I'm asking a question. But the question is... is this a known historical fact, not is this an individuals viewpoint and opinion.
@chandie5298 The world won't know for 100 years. The Queen's diarys are sealed. They will release them in 2122. Long after we all are dead and buried.
As he explained to one question, his security detail was with him at all times. He was never alone where he had an opportunity to be “unfaithful “! Please provide your proof.
All he does is complain and does things behind her back as a young husband. Then accuses her of being too friendly with the old friend in charge of managing her horses businesses. Her father warned him she would become his whole job after she became Queen and was warned. So for the lifestyle he was entering he’d better want it.
Philip was gifted a luxurious life where he did not have to work and everything was handed to him on a plate. I read that when he entered the family and married Elizabeth, he had very little money in his pocket and yet he died a millionaire.
What makes this scene all the more sad in that the real life Prince Philip's will was not made public after he died like all over royal wills in order to "Protect the Queen's dignity" meaning that he properly left money to some of his mistresses or love children....😕😕
I wouldn't want to mess with Claire Foy as queen, sounds like she has a hot temper. Tsk Tsk Prince Philip, messing around with a ballerina, you are with a queen isn't that enough for you? Sigh men, never know how good they have it sometimes.
You’re not thinking the way men think. Social position matters very little to us in terms of who we find attractive. A ballerina may well be much higher than a queen.
@@christianandrew1037but y’all are the same ones always asking women what they bring to the table. Men swear just being hot isn’t enough so you need to brings other stuff but you just said that the extras don’t matter. So which is it?
@@LoveK1see, and this is what you just don’t get, you always think “she’s so hot THAT should be enough!” And then “she’s so accomplished THAT should be enough!” And you also have it in your minds that “having the wettest pussy” (a attribute that I hear young women say WAY TOO OFTEN in videos and podcasts lately as why men should want them) are all things that truly matter. And you completely leave out two things, the most important things that are still there long after looks fade and sex gets boring, personality and character. Two things that many women lack. They think personality is “I like dogs and pizza and crime shows!” They build personality around things, usually popular things, or try desperately to be “unique” when there’s nothing unique about it. And character… well, yeah. Most just don’t have any. I’m sure you couldn’t even tell me what character means and what it is.
@@therenegade916 You wouldn't know - in S1 Episode 9 and 10, something could definitely have blossomed between Elizabeth and Porchy, especially since he is ever so fond of her. Elizabeth herself admitted she would probably have been happier with Porchy but despite everything, her heart still belongs to Phillip. After all, we don't get to choose who fall in love with, even if this person has done nothing BUT hurt us.
It's so bizarre and interesting to think of Queen Elizabeth as a young woman with relationship and jealousy problems. I've always thought of her as a static caricature which obviously isn't true.
The Queen Mother was a complete cow, had no desire to move out of Buckingham Palace when she was no longer the Queen and constantly interfered. She was known as a racist and a deeply unpleasant woman. She was described as never quite drunk, never quite sober. She had to lower her spending when she was no longer queen but spent huge amounts on entertaining, using the most expensive wines and champagnes, and left her daughter with millions of pounds of debt when she died. There was a subtle change in the Queen when her mother died. The bright colours that she started wearing. Her amazing sense of humour that no-one was aware of while her mother was alive. Do you think she could have done the Paddington skit and the James Bond skit while her mother was still alive?
@@Rosemary-vf5ei There is no doubt that if anyone crossed her then they would get the steely stare. However, the country owed her a huge debt as a result of her support of the King during the war years along with her own individual contribution. What kind of a lifestyle would you have a former Queen Empress lead, perhaps consigned to sheltered accommodation? Of all the Queen Consorts throughout history she is up there with the best.
Queen Elizabeth was tolerant and wise. The actual queen did not show any emotion as she was made to wait 30 minutes in the sun by ex-president Trump or walked in front of her in her country. I do not think any person can fill her shoes. She was a lady for all seasons.
I hated Philip during these seasons. If any of this really DID happen he didn’t deserve her and never understood what being with her truly meant for him to be with her with who she was and was going to be in the society that they were in.
Most members of the royal family had people on the side. They weren't regular couples. They weren't in regular marriages. The monarchy is a totally different system. It's just the way it is and it's nothing to be really surprised about. Even William has a side piece.
@@LittlemissdirtbagIf that is true then it's all sick. Marriage in the monarchy or now, it's a view that they make with God to be faithful and they should honor it
You know I never really noticed this before but I just realized that Claire Foy reminds me quite a bit of Jami Gertz when she portrayed Dr. Melissa Reeves in Twister.
Their is a journey that only they could experience together-privately. If there is no trust than it would be a very long and lonely journey-together, but alone.
Whether this is true or not it points out the obvious between these two: She was much smarter than he was. That must have been terribly frustrating for Philip. His wife outranked him, was more important than him, and he had to realize she was more intelligent than him as well.
The sad truth of this series is that so many viewers believe it's all true.The show is a fictional series based on assumptions, dramatisation, suppositions, rumors, etc. One can only speculate reality, but most are quick to judge and believe, because it makes for good entertainment, especially when things are bad.
According to the fairy tale books, they started writing when she was 13 and he 18 and he fell in love. Yes, a handsome career navy man fell in love at 18 to a 13 plain jane. No one knew she would be Queen, but she would have some title and house and money. He was extraordinary handsome. His uncle kinda pushed him. She couldn't have been that naive by this point in the marriage.
My Nanna and Grandad always said there were rumours about Philips infidelities. Most people seemed to know from the highborn to the working class. How he actually dared, if indeed he did, is beyond me. Did he believe the most powerful woman in the land wouldn't find out?
I'm confused was she saying that Philip and Steven ward were lovers? I am aware of the ballerina but what does painting portraits of him have to do with anything?
The thrust of the prosecution's case, in which Keeler and Rice-Davies were their principal witnesses, was that these payments indicated that Ward was living off their earnings from prostitution. Ward's approximate income, from his practice and from his portraiture, had been around £5,500 a year, a substantial sum at that time (equivalent to £148,000 in 2023)
No, not scandalous in and of themselves, but Ward was tied to unsavory people and was caught up in a nasty espionage/call girl ring. The Palace wouldn’t have wanted Prince Phillip anywhere near that situation.
@@calwells5612 ok that makes sense the way Elizabeth and Philip were talking about it , it gave the impression that portraits were very naughty portraits and that palace seized them to make sure there weren't rumors of Phillip being gay or something
I got that impression from the spy/art expert when Phillip confronted him at that gala, and he admitted to being involved in tracking them down. It did make it sound like there was something very unsavory about them.
Claire Floy was so good with her eyes and facial acting when acting as Queen Elizabeth. When she’s not saying anything, her eyes say’s it all. She was so brilliant as the young Queen.
in my opinion, she herself has a gift and she had good teachers❤
Foy was magnificent. No matter what else she does, she will always be known for this.
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Who ever was the casting director was fantastic. I had never heard of her before this. Now I will never forget her performance. 🎉
I Agree!!
4:52 such good performance. She is telling Phillip "I told you" but it hurts her so much and she gradually reveals her sadness.
I didn't understand... Was Philip cheating and did he continue after this?
Neither the Royal Family or the Netflix series confirmed if he cheated or not (that would have been disastrous to the reputation of the RF) but it is heavily implied that he had several mistresses during his life. Before this scene, Elizabeth finds the portrait of that ballerina in Phillip's bag just before he went on a trip and Elizabeth hides the portrait. Also the wife of his secretary/best friend divorced him accusing adultery and family neglection. So, heavily implied (wink wink).@@maulikmishra7609
It is heavily implied but never confirmed by the royal family or in the series. But we can conclude he did. The portrait Elizabeth shows to him corresponds to Galina Ulanova, a russian ballerina who was a rumoured mistress of Phillip. Also Philip was a macho guy and known to be a womanizer. was he the only one at the gentleman lunch clubs who never crossed the line? Let me doubt.
@@TebomanBuster fair enough
@@maulikmishra7609 Remember this is The Crown - a largely fictional account of the Royal family. They were forced to put disclaimers on the episodes stating as much, so we really don't know from this whether it's true or not.
His pause while looking at the picture, signed, sealed and delivered her point.
Claire is capable of some of the deadliest stares. Amazing actress.
and et her face never moves, just bland emotionless 90% of the time.
She needs to be in a Star Trek film or series as a Vulcan
@@AzguardMikeshe was acting somebody known to be lacking emotionally.
So that works perfectly
@@AzguardMikeShe doesn't play all of her roles that way
Funny how lost for words he was. Bravo Queen Elizabeth. You could see the the heartbreak and soal leave her but she still had class.
*soul
Bravo Claire Foy. You are not watching Queen Elizabeth’s heartbreak.
Soal???😂
its a TV show - that was not the Queen.
Claire Foy was exquisite as the young Queen Elizabeth II.
I love the queen soft-spoken arguing
A queen doesn't argue wildly like anyone else. 😅
Her breeding prevents her from slapping the crap out of him.
Not Phillips trying gaslighting her about infidelity matter but i love how the queen put him in his place by showing the pic and gave him that powerful stare that i KNEW everything from the beginning. and that deep hurting sadness comes with it. Claire floy is absolutely outstanding actress! i love her ❤
These two are the only Elizabeth and Philip for me
Pity the series had to put a disclaimer on stating that the show was largely fiction based on some facts.
I wish they had just gone with the facts@@Rosemary-vf5ei
Sometimes silence says more then a thousand words,Claire is such powerful force in The Crown !
I was completely mesmerized by Claire's portrayal of the Queen. I couldn't imagine anyone else in her role.
@judy-hr7tq, well they put an older actresses in her role later in the series.
The seasons with them were the best.
Yes.
Impeccable acting!!! Clare Foy is unmatched here...
i love the acting at 4.52. he spent the previous part of the scene successfully countering all of her accusations, now she is smirking like she got him, defiant. He looks up and she knows it was true, you can see the eyes then change as the pain takes over.
Huh that wasn’t the impression I got at all
Did her really betray her this way?
@@enlightenmententertainment3354 nobody really knows. Not with that ballerina- the only time she was in London he was halfway across the world opening the Olympics. There have been lots of rumors and Prince Phillip denied them and said “I always have a detective and reporters following me around, how could I have an affair?”
@rose080891......Magnificent moments from Claire starting at 4:52......Just, WOW!......👏❤
Whatever, we all cheat!
That look at 1:19 is just pure gold. The look of - oh you haven't learned your lesson. Ok let me spell it out for you. These two were brillant and still my favorite cast of the crown.
Men of that time expected absolute faithfulness while they willfully threw their marriages away.
@prun8893 some wives don't reduce their husbands to animalistic Neanderthals.
@@prun8893 this is complete nonsense
@@fated0858 I believe the word you're looking for is "bollocks", ma'am.
@@prun8893 this is absolutely disgusting. Accepting that my husband only see me as a toy and not a person like him with feelings? Accepting that my husband cheated on me because I didn’t want the same as him? This is so wrong 🙃
@@artisticpain So a husband that wants sex only sees his wife as a toy? Sex is a very, very important part of a spousal relationship. A wife who has little time or interest in sex with her husband IS NO WIFE AT ALL. Therefore, it's not cheating.
Sex, in its various forms, every other day will go a long, long way towards keeping your husband "faithful";
OR
A wife can dig her heels in and refuse sex regularly because it doesn't fit into her schedule, perceived level of fatigue, or emotional stance. See how that works out.
BTW....in return for an attentive wife, a proper husband shall provide for his wife and children, shall create an environment of stability, shall be kind, shall be a good father, spend most evenings in relaxed repose with his wife, etc., etc. Anything less means the man doesn't deserve his attentive wife.
The choice is yours......maintain your confrontational sexual principles regardless of your spouse's unhappiness OR take care of your husband sexually and create a household of stability and love.
Oh my second favorite scene from the series and the masterpiece climax to the first 2 seasons! The whole scene is amazing and heartbreaking but how Claire's final look in this scene went from anger....to sadness...to completely heartbroken...all in a few seconds...displayed her immense talent and was absolute genius!
A woman, whom lots of people obey, is being lied to, and cheated on,and have to put on a brave face and do the duties and face the people, anticipating they might have been laughing..... All these emotions, Claire just so effortless.
Not effortless. Claire Foy just makes it "look" effortless. I believe it's called acting.
@@thomasthompson6378that’s what they meant. 😒
@@thomasthompson6378 Stupidity reached a new high.
Yes, but remember this is an episode of The Crown - a series which they were forced to put disclaimers on - stating that the show was largely fiction based on some facts.
@@Rosemary-vf5ei I was talking about acting, not the authenticity of the con tent.
The scenario I described was going on in the series, and Claire acted like a goddess
When Philip sees the small portrait of the ballerina he is having an affair with, he looks at the Queen and he doesn't know what to say...........he knows that he has been caught bang to rights. The Queen looks back at him with a look as if to say, "yes that's right, you've been caught". However, her defiant look gives way to something else........we can literally see her heart breaking, and it takes ever ounce of strength she possesses not to cry. Brilliant acting.
It’s not just hear heart. It’s her belief that he is having an affair with the ballerina that’s also cracking. She was resolute in that belief and in his silence she begins to doubt that such an affair took place. You can see her defiance cracking and it is masterful, instinctive acting.
And if I could just quickly add....what I think makes this scene so heartbreaking...she finally realizes that she loves him so much more than he ever does for her...😢 I think her heartbreaking look at the end there says it all......
I think that Philip did cheat on the Queen with many women over the years. I doubt very much they ever had a conversation like this scene. Direct confrontation was not the Queen’s way. Strict marital fidelity is not the aristocratic way, especially for husbands. But recreational extracurricular activities were not viewed as being a threat to the marital relationship but coexisting with it. At least for the men. A double standard is in play for the wives. I think the queen knew about many of Phillips dalliances but pretended that she didn’t and in exchange he remained her Rock for 73 years. I think he loved her very much. It’s just that men don’t equate sex with love the same way women do. They can sample other wares outside the marital bed but if their hearts aren’t engaged, it truly means nothing to them. It’s like scratching an itch or eating when they are hungry. The physical need that is compelling in the moment but the minute it is satisfied it’s completely forgotten about. The queen was also incredibly busy and an extroverted sociable alpha man like Philip needed more attention then she could provide him. The queen and Philip had a very special connection. She never stopped looking at him the way she did in her engagement picture… Adoringly. They had four children. I love the pictures of her at Trooping the Color in 1964, holding 2 month old baby Edward. The queen looks so happy and Philip is also beaming. I don’t think that was all for public display but they were genuinely happy that day.
@@marywenzel3199 Well I do appreciate your thoughts but I think cheating is one of the most selfish and hurtful and actually hateful things a person could ever do to someone because it hurts them SO TERRIBLY. If someone truly and deeply loves someone...they would never cheat. I do agree most men do think that...but certainly not all do. But I think youre absolutely correct theres a double standard!
@@mattdavis1735 I absolutely agree that marital infidelity is a terrible betrayal. .. I couldn’t look the other way either. But moral codes are shall we say more flexible in the aristocracy. The idea that a man has a moral obligation to be faithful to his wife when his social station allows him to buy anything or anyone is what the aristos would Pooh Pooh as a “bourgeois” idea that does not apply equally to the masters of the universe. Yet they stand up in church and swear before God and man to be faithful. Hypocritical AF? You bet. But it was ever thus with Kings. Until the Victorian era at least, the King’s mistress was not only well known but she was a person of influence at court-at least until she lost favor and was replaced. Madam du Barry and Nell Gwynne wielded as much soft power as the legitimate Queen. When he was still a youth KCIII announced to his parents that he had no intention of being the first King in history not to have a mistress. He kept his word there at the expense of his wedding vows to a vulnerable young woman who’d already experienced divorce trauma in her birth family. (If Alan Bennett is telling the truth, the much reviled George III never was unfaithful to his Queen even after 15 children-and his doctors actually wondered if his lack of “recreational opportunities” had contributed to his difficulties!) Ridiculed for fidelity to his wife-that is the aristocratic code. I’m not down with this but it’s so common as to be accepted practice in the world Charles and Diana were raised in. Charles felt justified in carrying on with Camilla because most of his peers and role models were doing the same, to tacit acceptance. And he had made no secret of his feelings for Camilla to his elders who had forbid him ti marry her. In Charles’ mind that wasn’t sneaking around but a known fact. His remark at the engagement-“Whatever love means”-that so hurt Diana was Charles’ oblique attempt at honesty. He would not be forced into gushy sentiments he did not feel. To him the marriage was a business merger, a dynastic duty which as a dutiful son and heir he was fulfilling. His heart was still a free agent and belonged to Camilla. Evidently Camilla did not perceive Diana as a threat; her real rival was Lady Kanga Tryon, Royal mistress #2. Diana befriended Kanga on purpose which is pretty delicious. She hated Camilla so much that she had no problem sharing her husband with yet another woman if the other woman could get him away from Camilla. This is court intrigue for you, and Diana learned how to play the game. It would’ve been better for all concerned if Charles could’ve genuinely falling in love with his wife and been with only her. Failing that, I think he intended to stay married to her and make her his Queen while keeping his ladies on the side as had been accepted from all his predecessors. This arrangement was not tolerable to Diana and she made married life intolerable for the both of them. I empathize with her sense of betrayal but she ultimately forced Charles to divorce her. After she’d done it she immediately regretted the price she had to pay. I’ve recently read that even ER’s sainted father had a “special friend” who tended to physical needs the QM no longer could or wanted to after 2 difficult pregnancies and C-sections. QM was fully aware and actually thanked the lady for her attentions to her husband. If Diana had taken the same view, she might now be Queen. At a cost of course. There is always a cost. Diana rebelled against the status quo and paid with her life. She was not faithful to Charles either with many men, often married ones and/or employees of the Royal household. So, glass houses. She admitted herself that she was the first to cheat. It’s a sad sad tragic business that is still being played out today. Look at Harry
@@marywenzel3199 I just saw quite a few articles about Prince William and his possible mistress and remembered all that you said! Mary you are super informed about all this and I am just shocked that after knowing and experiencing all the hurt and pain that his mom went through, that William would do the same to Kate. Thanks for sharing!
@@mattdavis1735 Thanks. I imagine the most frustrating thing about being in the royal family is that the media and even commissioned biographical sources don’t tell the whole story. Or even necessarily the real story. William is a human man and I know that he dated quite a few girls besides Kate. He was quite serious about Jecca Craig Seeing as he blew off his cousin Peter’s wedding to attend the wedding of Jecca’a brother in South Africa which was occurring on the same day.
That raise some eyebrows since the groom sister was William‘s old flame. Apparently it was on the Craig family estate where William popped the question to Kate with Diana‘s ring. So I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he can have married female friends in his circle that he is not sleeping with. Rose H is a near neighbor in Norfolk and her husband until the secession of king Charles was the lord chamberlain of England, a very important role at court. So it would be exceedingly weird not to mention difficult for William to completely avoid lord Rocksavage and his wife just to curtail speculation that he’s having an affair with Rose. We have to ask ourselves, cui bono? Who benefit the most from keeping these rose infidelity rumors stirred up? Sussex Court West comes to mind. They would like nothing better than to interfere in the Wales marriage and keep everybody miserable. I will only observe that narcissists attack their targets for the same “sins” which they themselves do. Certain couple in Montecito plays away from home all the time. And they wouldn’t think anything of making false accusations. It is very common for aristocratic men to have affairs. Philip did it, even the late queens father had a mistress. If all parties accept it it is not a threat to the marriage. I think William having gone through what he did with his parents would not be cavalier with his wife’s feelings or his children’s sense of security. If he got drunk one night and had an indiscretion… Well stuff happens when you’re drunk. That wouldn’t be an affair in the same way as Charles and Camilla. To Charles his credit he did publicly admit to the af fair, very publicly in a television interview in 1994. A decade after it started it was hardly shocking news but he owned up to it with quite a shocking amount of honesty. I think in his mind and in the social conventions of his circle, he did not consider the relationship with Camilla and His marriage as being mutually exclusive. Perhaps a selfish attitude but it really was the done thing. Duty to the crown and personal pleasure are separate things. I think Charles was aware of Diana’s many extracurricular friends but he accepted it. In return he expected the same consideration from her but she broke the unstated rule. She wanted Charles all to herself all the time as a form of control really and that’s not the way it works with kings. I’m not defending Charles and Camilla for being cruel to Diana But Diana made a deal to become princess of Wales and then decided to complain about the terms. She violated never complain never explain. She knew about Camilla in advance of the wedding and she went through with it anyway so it’s not like he sprung it on her after the fact. If she had played along and allowed him his friends, she would be queen today of this time very certain. What a different world we would be living in. William and Catherine’s marriage is ultimately between the two of them but Catherine had a decade to decide if she could live with the terms of being Royal and she decided that she could. That means sharing her husband and her life with the world media and potentially other women but I do not automatically Believe everything published about the royal family especially when it’s unflattering because there are anti-monarchists with agendas out there and they are having a field day today.
Even if it’s all 100% fiction, I don’t care. Such good writing and acting.
I don't like twisting the truth..but the acting is awesome.
@@kimlersue what is the truth?
@kaviyaprabharan1832 no-one knows and if they claim to, they've shown they are idiots
@@kaviyaprabharan1832 Philip was a giant racist....He did love his family but he was an elitist and looked down on anyone who wasn't a royal and had preconceived awful notions about other races. That's the truth. This show tries to remake his image yet mostly Americans don't get how bad he actually was.
He definitely cheated.
It’s one thing to cheat already, but to LIE about cheating and insisting your partner is unreasonable for even considering it is disgusting.
It is unreasonable cause it’s not true
Nearly broke me . Lied , lied, lied then died. His mistress was at the funeral.
Wtf was she really 😮
Claire gives her so much strength through her pauses and looks. In that she gives dignity. But the follow-up era is still moving. As she matures the pressure must have been huge.
The Parfumo affair without saying the Parfumo affair. Fantastic acting!!
Silence can speak volumes (on both their parts) and that was a very long stare when he was looking down.
1:12 I like how Phillip reacts. He cannot be ignored and he knows it
She did such an amazing job i really enjoyed watching her and him playing the queen and the duke as they were younger ❤
I wish they kept her through the whole series, with advancements with SFX makeup and CGI I'm sure they would've been able to age her accordingly. No shade to the other actresses but Claire was meant for this role.
Good idea!
CGI's not even needed, they successfully aged Anne-Marie Duff as Elizabeth I in The Virgin Queen back in 2005. It was extremely convincing.
They are both so good. And silence is used incredibly effectively here.
I don't think calling what Claire Foy does in this scene acting is sufficient. She is emoting deep feelings and transfers them right into the viewer, mostly through her eyes. Amazing.
Actors really are some of our greatest creative artists.
@@hank1519 The good ones are.
@@AmericasChoice Exactly!
The scilence at the end says it all
He is straight up lying. He thinks it’s to protect her. But it’s to protect himself. He always thought he was smarter than her.
Matt Smith and Claire Foy cast in The Crown to portray Prince Phillip and Queen Elizabeth … was brilliant casting! As was their performance! 🎭
"Steven Ward".
(Phillip nervously rubs his fingers and thumbs)
"😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅".
Their chemistry is on point.
Coming across this clip makes me wanna rewatch the whole thing again
I feel so much for Elizabeth in this scene... I been there ♥️
She would have been so much happier with Porchey...but she decided to go against good advice and stayed with the bad boy... IF ONLy she had given Porchey the benefit of the doubt I think she would have fallen so in love with him. He stayed a true loyal friend till the end.
Queen Elizabeth loved Prince Philip through it all.........
Nice. Keep it coming with the crown videos.
This is my favorite scenes in the entire series.
Love the acting by both of them Claire is an extraordinary actress and so is Matt
But those were very private meetings of the Queen and Philip, so these are speculations by the series writer's good ones, but they are fictional historically accurate moments on a scene
Just masterful work by everyone involved in this series production cheers!
My goodness, that’s a lot of words just to say, “are you cheating on me”.
Yes, you see, I don't even know what they were talking about. 😅
weak people tap dancing around the subject yet proclaiming to be so strong. I'm confused how people think this is great writing
@@awill3992 They are English royalty. That should tell you all you need to know about their restraint. If you don't understand it, it's not the writing's fault.
@@theDeadliestPantsThe effects of minimal media literacy. Subtext is not a thing anymore for these people 😂
@nylotus isn’t that the point though, to be fair? Just because you proclaim to be strong doesn’t mean that you actually ARE strong.
I hope that wasn't the experience Queen Elizabeth endured RIP
I already respected her; but this show has made me realize how much she sacrificed for her country:(
Seriously, same here 🥺
Splendid acting.
Claire Foy is the next Meryl Streep.
I realize the crown is fiction based on historical events but I can absolutely see Her Majesty doing this with Prince Phillip. We know they were married for 70 + years but I'm sure it wasn't all roses. That's any marriage really. Her Majesty was a truly amazing woman.
I worked with a guy who was Prince Philips private driver for 12 years. Most of his private trips were to his long term mistress Lady Penny something. It was widely thought by staff that the Queen knew, but kept him on a long leash. Years later I met a woman whose husband was also a driver for the Royals & she said her husband had said the same ee the longterm mistress.
In real life, when Queen Elizabeth discovers that she is pregnant with her fourth child, she also discovers that Felipe cheated on her with many women.
@JocobusHelmans Didn't cheat ? Just a ladies man ? Ohhhhh puleaaaaase.
She literally picked him up from the gutter. A lost Prince of a country that didn't want him or his linage. He could've at least have been faithful.
it is a known historical fact or is this poetic license of a work of fiction based on reality?
I'm not making a statement, I'm asking a question. But the question is... is this a known historical fact, not is this an individuals viewpoint and opinion.
@chandie5298 The world won't know for 100 years. The Queen's diarys are sealed. They will release them in 2122. Long after we all are dead and buried.
He was. This is literally for the show to have any drama whatsoever.
The show is a fictional series based on assumptions, dramatisation, suppositions, rumors, etc. One can only speculate reality.
As he explained to one question, his security detail was with him at all times. He was never alone where he had an opportunity to be “unfaithful “! Please provide your proof.
I am not merely your wife… I am The Queen. How dare you think to keep such a thing from me.
A wife is not a "mere" thing to be
One of her ancestors would might have seen this as treason and had his head removed. 😮
I wonder if she ever thought about that.
Even Henry would need a trumped up charge before taking a man head off
Matt and claire had real moments together.
This was one of the best scenes in the entire series
Claire perfomence its superlative!
Have you got some music at the end that does not entirely destroy the atmosphere of the clips you post?
YES. Thanks for pointing that out. Now, we can both hope they'll do something about it.
❤Claire is so brilliant actress❤Absolutely fantastic❤the one and only❤She IS Elisabeth II❤love from Finland❤
All he does is complain and does things behind her back as a young husband. Then accuses her of being too friendly with the old friend in charge of managing her horses businesses. Her father warned him she would become his whole job after she became Queen and was warned. So for the lifestyle he was entering he’d better want it.
God not even the Queen of England was enough for a man
Philip was gifted a luxurious life where he did not have to work and everything was handed to him on a plate. I read that when he entered the family and married Elizabeth, he had very little money in his pocket and yet he died a millionaire.
She done checkmated you!
You cut off the ending. Why??????
What makes this scene all the more sad in that the real life Prince Philip's will was not made public after he died like all over royal wills in order to "Protect the Queen's dignity" meaning that he properly left money to some of his mistresses or love children....😕😕
I wouldn't want to mess with Claire Foy as queen, sounds like she has a hot temper. Tsk Tsk Prince Philip, messing around with a ballerina, you are with a queen isn't that enough for you? Sigh men, never know how good they have it sometimes.
It’s never enough for any man. A lot of time men see women in high places & the cheat to try and humble them.
@@misssincere5762 wow, good point
You’re not thinking the way men think. Social position matters very little to us in terms of who we find attractive. A ballerina may well be much higher than a queen.
@@christianandrew1037but y’all are the same ones always asking women what they bring to the table. Men swear just being hot isn’t enough so you need to brings other stuff but you just said that the extras don’t matter. So which is it?
@@LoveK1see, and this is what you just don’t get, you always think “she’s so hot THAT should be enough!” And then “she’s so accomplished THAT should be enough!” And you also have it in your minds that “having the wettest pussy” (a attribute that I hear young women say WAY TOO OFTEN in videos and podcasts lately as why men should want them) are all things that truly matter. And you completely leave out two things, the most important things that are still there long after looks fade and sex gets boring, personality and character. Two things that many women lack. They think personality is “I like dogs and pizza and crime shows!” They build personality around things, usually popular things, or try desperately to be “unique” when there’s nothing unique about it. And character… well, yeah. Most just don’t have any. I’m sure you couldn’t even tell me what character means and what it is.
Matt Smith has exactly one expression.
Shudda married Porchy like everyone told you to.
nobody advsied her to marry anyone else
No, she loved Philip, they got through all this and had a lifetime together.
They never marry the guys that really love them. Always the trash!
So a marriage with no love?
@@therenegade916 You wouldn't know - in S1 Episode 9 and 10, something could definitely have blossomed between Elizabeth and Porchy, especially since he is ever so fond of her. Elizabeth herself admitted she would probably have been happier with Porchy but despite everything, her heart still belongs to Phillip.
After all, we don't get to choose who fall in love with, even if this person has done nothing BUT hurt us.
I liked the seasons with them the most.
It's so bizarre and interesting to think of Queen Elizabeth as a young woman with relationship and jealousy problems. I've always thought of her as a static caricature which obviously isn't true.
Throughout her life, The Queen Mother was never comfortable with him.
The Queen Mother was a complete cow, had no desire to move out of Buckingham Palace when she was no longer the Queen and constantly interfered. She was known as a racist and a deeply unpleasant woman. She was described as never quite drunk, never quite sober. She had to lower her spending when she was no longer queen but spent huge amounts on entertaining, using the most expensive wines and champagnes, and left her daughter with millions of pounds of debt when she died. There was a subtle change in the Queen when her mother died. The bright colours that she started wearing. Her amazing sense of humour that no-one was aware of while her mother was alive. Do you think she could have done the Paddington skit and the James Bond skit while her mother was still alive?
@@Rosemary-vf5ei There is no doubt that if anyone crossed her then they would get the steely stare. However, the country owed her a huge debt as a result of her support of the King during the war years along with her own individual contribution. What kind of a lifestyle would you have a former Queen Empress lead, perhaps consigned to sheltered accommodation? Of all the Queen Consorts throughout history she is up there with the best.
It's okay then; he was Princess (Queen) Elizabeth's husband, not hers.
Queen Elizabeth was tolerant and wise. The actual queen did not show any emotion as she was made to wait 30 minutes in the sun by ex-president Trump or walked in front of her in her country. I do not think any person can fill her shoes. She was a lady for all seasons.
This is an excellent scene. I wish we could see the end, however, as for me it is the best part.
So are you in or are you out?
Queen: "I am strong".
Lord Mountbatten: "A queen who proclaim herself strong, is no true strong."
I hated Philip during these seasons. If any of this really DID happen he didn’t deserve her and never understood what being with her truly meant for him to be with her with who she was and was going to be in the society that they were in.
There's no evidence any of it happened, there were some tabloids but even they admitted it probably didn't happen.
Most members of the royal family had people on the side. They weren't regular couples. They weren't in regular marriages. The monarchy is a totally different system. It's just the way it is and it's nothing to be really surprised about. Even William has a side piece.
@@LittlemissdirtbagIf that is true then it's all sick. Marriage in the monarchy or now, it's a view that they make with God to be faithful and they should honor it
@@c.barrett5114I don’t think that’s true even though some royalty aren’t faithful
The pose she's standing in is the same way she stood whenever you saw her. Shows good motherhood. 💚 O+
Suddenly struck me how Smith’s ‘stooping’ is echoed later by O’Connor.. Also, at the end, Foy’s alteration of facial expression..
You know I never really noticed this before but I just realized that Claire Foy reminds me quite a bit of Jami Gertz when she portrayed Dr. Melissa Reeves in Twister.
You’re right, I totally see it now too.
Outstanding acting
Their is a journey that only they could experience together-privately. If there is no trust than it would be a very long and lonely journey-together, but alone.
Whether this is true or not it points out the obvious between these two: She was much smarter than he was.
That must have been terribly frustrating for Philip. His wife outranked him, was more important than him, and he had to realize she was more intelligent than him as well.
The sad truth of this series is that so many viewers believe it's all true.The show is a fictional series based on assumptions, dramatisation, suppositions, rumors, etc. One can only speculate reality, but most are quick to judge and believe, because it makes for good entertainment, especially when things are bad.
Sorry to tell you, but the cheating part is real.
@@nonoyesh evidence?
I've always admired Queen Elizabeth BUT I NEVER believed Prince Philip is always FAITHFUL to her, SHE DESERVES someone BETTER!
@@eternallight351 if only his security detail would talk
@@zajournalsread up on it. Not exactly hard to find.
With her money and power she could have him followed, his every movement reported to her. He knew this.
Not sure why she thought she was above being cheated on. Queen or not your human. She put crown before everything, even her family.
Claire!!!!!!!!!!!!! She was brilliant in this role
One of my fav scenes…
Oh yes. They picked good people that were look a likes and could imitate their character beautifully!
She fell for him completely at the age of 13, which was five years from their first meeting.
According to the fairy tale books, they started writing when she was 13 and he 18 and he fell in love. Yes, a handsome career navy man fell in love at 18 to a 13 plain jane. No one knew she would be Queen, but she would have some title and house and money. He was extraordinary handsome. His uncle kinda pushed him. She couldn't have been that naive by this point in the marriage.
4:08 what does this mean????, i didn’t get it
Claire Foy is incredible.
They were so good
The late queen? Was an incredible woman!!
what was the meaning of the drawers contents?
Maybe the framed photo?
Yes, the portrait of the woman was of a possible lover he once had.
No it wasn't at all it’s of his mother.
@@lauraclaire what then?
A ballerina he was already rumored to have had a fling with. Not his mother at all.
So the "legend" lies and gaslights the queen...
There is no need for royalty anymore. It has outlived it's purpose.
What exactly does that have to do with this series?
Try telling that to Japan, the rest of the Middle Eastern countries, Thailand, Malaysia, some African nations. Need I go on?
Thanks for the crown videos. ❤ Will you upload the scene between Imelda and Olivia from the finale?
My Nanna and Grandad always said there were rumours about Philips infidelities. Most people seemed to know from the highborn to the working class. How he actually dared, if indeed he did, is beyond me. Did he believe the most powerful woman in the land wouldn't find out?
Throughout history, powerful men have had mistresses. Philip is from the old school. It's just a fact of life for men like that.
I'm confused was she saying that Philip and Steven ward were lovers? I am aware of the ballerina but what does painting portraits of him have to do with anything?
me too
The thrust of the prosecution's case, in which Keeler and Rice-Davies were their principal witnesses, was that these payments indicated that Ward was living off their earnings from prostitution. Ward's approximate income, from his practice and from his portraiture, had been around £5,500 a year, a substantial sum at that time (equivalent to £148,000 in 2023)
Why were the portraits of Philip so scandalous, were they indecent or something
No, not scandalous in and of themselves, but Ward was tied to unsavory people and was caught up in a nasty espionage/call girl ring. The Palace wouldn’t have wanted Prince Phillip anywhere near that situation.
@@calwells5612 ok that makes sense the way Elizabeth and Philip were talking about it , it gave the impression that portraits were very naughty portraits and that palace seized them to make sure there weren't rumors of Phillip being gay or something
Ward was caught up in a huge scandal and that hand drawn portrait linked Phillip to Ward...therefore linking Phillip to the scandal.
Sounds like some form of organized crime like the Epstein's.
I got that impression from the spy/art expert when Phillip confronted him at that gala, and he admitted to being involved in tracking them down. It did make it sound like there was something very unsavory about them.
was she saying he was gay