The Empire Strikes Back - the original Emperor from 1980
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2006
- This is the original Emperor, voiced by Clive Revill. Marjorie Eaton is the face of the Emperor. Elaine Baker was long credited as the Emperor's face, but in fact, she only did test shots for the role, and the final screen version was Eaton. This is the ONLY version ever seen in theaters, including the 1997 Special Edition. The Emperor was only changed to Ian McDiarmid for the 2004 DVD release. WARNING: This original 1980 version IS NOT on the Blu-Ray release! Please "Like" our Facebook page "Save Star Wars - Boycott The Blu-Rays". This clip comes from the non-anamorphic 2006 "bonus disc" DVD release, which was sourced from a 1993 video master, which was created for the "definitive collection" laserdisc release, and was also used for the 1995 "one last time" (or "faces") LD and VHS releases. Thanks to all the fan-editors/preservationists at originaltrilogy.com for their sincere work on using the best sources available to create watchable versions of the ORIGINAL 1977-1983 Star Wars trilogy!
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My man Palpatine lookin' like he accidentally ate something with nuts in it again
lol!
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Sorted out his wise though lol
I snorted
@polrus you win the Internet
the emperor looks like he's on death sticks
Benny the Shapario he needs to go home and rethink his life! 😂😂😂
He's on something even stronger I think, look at his face it's practically deformed.
@@OneBoredCatbug
Yeah, its called UNLIMITED POWER!
At least, that's what he said. XD
John Morgan well Mace made him look bad but WTF? He changed many times from Revenge of the Sith to Return of the Jedi...
@@anakinthedakblakefan9914
To be fair, a lot of Dark Side users become monster-like the more they use it. Its like an addiction: it may empower you, but not without side-effects.
I always found the part where the Emperor says, "The son of Skywalker..." to be very chilling.
It was as if they were saying how powerful Anakin Skywalker was, as well as preparing the audience for a total shock when Darth Vader revealed to Luke how he was Luke's father.
honestly prefer the original dialogue to the new one
@@xanaxmkv what's the original? Sorry I'm not much of a fan of the movies though I do like the comics and the underlying philosophy
@@Mike-ky6jclmao this video is the original
@@ryanash4681 then i guess I'm fortune not to have seen the other version lol
@@Mike-ky6jc wow your dumb
I’m more shocked at the fact that a video like this was uploaded back in 2006 with great quality
Lol I was thinking the same thing. With that said, part of me likes this better.. At the very least the dialog is a bit better.
Probably from the 2006 DVD release that had the "original" (some will say they're not the original versions because they came from a Laser Disc or whatever format) theatrical versions of the trilogy.
Films from 100 years ago:
Ngl this clip got better quality than recent movie clip
i think it had to be updated at some point. iirc youtube didnt add 480p until 2008
"There is a great disturbance in my eyes"
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Lol
Hahaha :D
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lmfao
"Another attempt on my life has left me more scarred and even further deformed."
"You can say that again"
"But, I can assure you: my resolve is pretty strong still, just not as strong as before."
LolOlololol
"In order to ensure even more security and continuing stability, the Galactic Empire will be reorganized into the first Universal Empire, for a safer and securer society!"
"so this is how sh*t gets worse, with deafening silence"
I always loved Vader's line " he's just a boy " it's the first sign of humanity he shows it's also a way to disuadee the emperor from hurting his kid. Yes he says " he will join us or die " it's a stalking tactic. He never had any intention of killing Luke.
That’s something I caught as well. I can’t imagine Vader ever trying to justify NOT going after a Force-sensitive person. Him doing it here shows a glimmer of Anakin being afraid of the one thing he holds dear, his family.
If luke joined them, then 1 of them would have to go. The rule of 2.
@@michaelarnold9691no rule back then
@@michaelarnold9691within the context of ESB as it was in 1980, there was no rule of 2
I always thought that line meant “he’s no threat to us”. Especially right after he says “obi-wan can no longer help him” meaning without Ben, he’s less of a threat since he doesn’t have a teacher.
Hearing this again, I really felt the conflict within Vader and Anakin. His response was not immediately terminating Luke but saying "if he could be turned, he'll be a powerful ally" means he really don't want Luke to be killed. An enemy's strategy, Yes, but Anakin really was struggling within himself here.
Planning to overthrow the emperor, he was
This one is the House of Representatives instead of the Senate.
"I *am* the parliament"
Lmao
@Soundwave it's impeachment then...
This looks like Nancy Pelosi before she goes out and gives one her stupid speeches.
@@lnu102 and after getting her hair did.
You must admit, not every change Lucas made was entirely bad
I think this change was definitely for the better. The only thing is I wish they would have kept the dialog the same. Don’t know why I just thought this dialog works better.
Agreed
@@CarlC259 Except for the part where Palpatine says "I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker". Then Vader replies, "how is that possible?" That part that was added in the 2004 dvd was much needed to emphasize how Sidious had lied to him all those years.
@@v.k.rt.m.6030 He always told Vader that Padme had died along with their child. Vader lived with the guilt until this point when he learns the truth and that he may have a second chance with his son.
@@mr.metamovies2419 perhaps Sidious must have thought that Vader had killed Padamé completely with the force choke. However, He didn't lie about Padamé dying at his hands. So he was expecting the toddler, or the twins to die with her. Not his fault that he thought this was the case.
That emperor couldn't sleep well last night 🤣
My boy Palpatine over here looking like the 3rd boss of a Metal Gear Solid game on Codec.
Gray Fox?!
Lmaoooo
He looks like fatman on death sticks
You wanna buy some death sticks???
Emperor: Yes
Lol
Goooood Deathsticks
You don't want to sell me death sticks
@@secretblue0290
You wanna go home and rethink your life
@@punishedvenomsnake716 lol you're supposed to say "i don't want to sell you deathsticks"
When Darth Vader says "He's just a boy" I wonder if he's thinking "oh he's not a threat." Or if he's thinking "please don't make me kill my son, I've lost my wife, he's all I have left."
"He will join us or die, Master"
It was the latter, Vader and Palpatine always meant differently from what they said
And in RotJ when Darth Vader says "It is too late for me, son."
that line always rang to me as sad. It sounded like he wished he could undo it all but believed it to be too late for him. it sounded regretful.
@@maxfieldnuckels9075 i agree. Notice Vader calls luke an Ally, while palpatine calls him an asset. The former humanizes luke, the latter treats him as property to be used
@@davidf2911 this is some top tier analysis
Looking back, one thing I really like about this version is how mysterious the Emperor feels. This is the first time we've seen Vader show respect or submission to anyone. The whole few seconds of Vader walking up and bowing really tells the audience just how important the Emperor must be. Like very few people even get to talk to the Emperor. I also like how the Emperor isn't rude or bossy back to Vader, unlike how Vader is to his underlings. There's some deep professional respect between the two even if they aren't equals. Everyone claims to like the Ian's voice, but I like this old voice better. It's calmer and more mature sounding. The atmosphere, music, and dialog is so well done. There's a reason Empire Strikes Back is often considered the best movie and this is a big reason why.
Clive Revill did the voice of the Emperor. It’d be interesting if Clive Revill did the voice of the Empire in all the films like Return of the Jedi and the prequels, and yes, even Rise of Skywalker while McDiarmid performed the body. Similar to how Darth Vader, Boba Fett and Darth Maul were portrayed with one actor doing the physical appearance of the character while another does the voice.
Vader showed respect and submission to Tarkin in the first movie.
The face is a lot creepier as well
@@1080lights was going to point this one out as well
Agree. McDiarmid is also great in RotJ, but after that the Emperor has sadly been more cartoonish, and over the top. Not even the same character IMO, since the acting and backstory is so different.
Clive Revill voiced the OG emperor. They actually superimposed chimpanzee eyes over the actor at the time Majorie Eaton. I remember that dominating presence from the movie theaters as a kid. I love where Ian took the character later on. 👍
That’s not palpatine, that’s Snokes disabled brother.
snoke is snokes disabled brother
He’s not disabled, he’s ‘special’ 😜
@Jayne Wayne LMAO WHA 😂
Snoke is his own brother
He is called Snork.
“If he could be TURNT, he would be a powerful bro”
Hahaha wtf how'd you come up with that
Fr Fr
You guys get this in your recommended too?
@@unnaturalmma yessir
He clearly said turnED.
Ian McDiarmid delivered probably the best acting performance in the "first" trilogy.
But I love the hell out of this original version. The face is so creepy.
Yeah, I know that it's a woman's face with Clive's voice.
Not crazy about the face his eyes are too bulgy Motherfucker looks like a cartoon character
@@danielle1216agree this one is not scary at all,he just has puffy,weird looking eyes that's it.
I really like the partially obscured face here honestly
Wow I didn’t know that
Really, the actor(actress) is a woman? Whoa!!!!! 😯
The delivery, the scenery, the acting etc. Absoluty amazing. I'm a millienial, so I don't even speak out of nostalgy but they don't make movies like this anymore.
This was still in the special editions until the dvd release, surprised you hadn't seen star wars before that
I’m GenZ and I agree
“What is thy bidding my - HOLY SHIT, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR EYES?!”
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They put Gorilla eyes over it.
@Antun Šturlić holy crap what if this was supposed to be jar jar lmao
They’re chimpanzee eyes edited onto an old lady’s face
@@themanwhowouldbebrick Chimpanzee eyes. I must have misremembered.
I have nothing but respect for the original version, but... I gotta say, Ian McDiarmid really just sounds more evil. Clive Revill, while good, just doesn't have a voice that makes your blood turn to ice. Ian's emperor sounds and looks more like evil incarnate.
As seeing as Ian Mcdermid played the emperor in Return of the Jedi, it makes sense for him to replace this in empire. To keep continuity
Tallboy683 Yeah of course, but why did they change him in the first place?! Clive Revill sounds like an emperor, he sounds like a great villain, he doesn't sound or look like the most obviously evil person in the galaxy!
disagree. Clive Revil sounds more authoritative, like a real executive would be. Ian mcdiarmid just sounds like a twisted clown, not quite like the ruler of a death star would be. In fact, I used to think the original version was Ian McDiarmid, and praised him for it. Little did I know that it was really Elaine Baker, and Clive Rivel, who are much better than Ian. Unfortunately, George strikes back and makes a dumb addition like Greedo's addition, and uses Ian mcdiarmid, when Clive and Elaine baker were better
MrGyromancy2 The idea behind the character of the Emperor is that he's evil personified. George Lucas said it himself; to quote Ian McDiarmid, "At least Satan had a downfall story; Palpatine didn't. He was born evil." Clive to me just doesn't sound evil.
MrPjw5 Ian to me just doesn't sound like a ruler
I knew this scene seemed creepier when I was a kid than it does now. The emperor looked weirder in the original is why.
Idk, this emperor is so much more creepy. And while I like Ian, the delivery for this emperor is a lot more subtle, which leaves more to the imagination
Eye infection?
Yeah
Hair Jordan nope, in urgent need for a dump.
That's how you get pink eye ! 😜
Infected with a major case of chimpanzee.
Yes yes and..., yes
Me: "Can we go out and get some Palpatine?"
My mom: "We have Palpatine at home"
Palpatine at home:
How confused was u when he changed his appearance?
Hi Anakin
@@batmanhood_ Very confused. I did not know he could that. I guess this is one of those abilities some consider to be... Unnatural
@@orangensaft6563 Ashoka... You look different...
@@anakinskywalker4440 I became lego
So glad I have the original unedited trilogy on tape
Awesome does the line where Darth Vader says Luke am your father
@@kungleecaoso3771 try again in English and I’ll give an answer
@@jimboslice6367 Luke am your father line
@@kungleecaoso3771 no Luke is not my father
Watching all the Star Wars movies in cinemas has got to be one of the best experiences of my life.
I’m jealous
Holy holy HOLY hell those eyes!
Rainbow Star Productions Ape eyes actually
the rage, the intelligence, the otherworldly thoughts
Lemons.
Rainbow Star Productions chimpanzee eyes
I used to think the same thing as a kid
Oh jesus palpy, what is wrong with your EYES
Just some sith pink eye
THATguyFATAL You, just made me laugh my ass off.
Vader nutted in his eye 😳
Smoking all that loud
Sink Eye.
"The tumors in my eyelids have become a hindrance to my abilty to sleep, Vader."
This scene is literally a masterpiece in of itself.
I know this is the original so no disrespect to Clive Revill, but Ian Mcdiarmid is far superior in the re-release, he's just a lot more evil
Yeah but the dialogue in the original is so much better and makes more sense.
After the Lucas tinkering the scene barely makes sense. "How is that possible?"
Vader is leading the fleet into an asteroid field like Captain Ahab to get the Millennium Falcon at the expense of letting the entire Alliance escape, but he doesn't believe it's possible he could be looking for Luke? Fail, George!
Original dialogue far superior to remastered.
Anakin Skywalker Vader is just playing dumb in that scene. He knows very well Luke is his son, he just wants to find him first so that Luke can help him overthrow the Emperor.
shakotoon Then why wasn't that made clear?
thesparduck117 well, I find it crystal clear, all the more so after watching the prequels: "always 2 there are (..) no more, no less", and Anakin telling Padmé he plans to get rid of Palpatine, at the end of ROTS. I think that's why that change was made, to show the audience Vader was still secretly plotting against Palpatine, the same way Palpatine was intent on terminating Vader once he had gotten a hold of young Skywalker and made him his new apprentice. In short, both Vader and Palpatine are plotting against each other, both are totally aware of it, and yet both play along.
shakotoon in the movies they show NO sign of either plotting against each other.
" He will join us or die , master . "
( notices shoe is untied )
I'm dead 💀
*"I AM THE SENA-.....OH WAIT I'M THE 69TH LIKE!"* .
Sounds like a Robot Chicken skit.
Lol
1775 Benjamin franklin
Ive been wanting to see this original scene again havent since the 90s, thank you! This is like one of the first UA-cam videos given the date
Bro this is a Nightmare fuel at 3am.
Glad Ian took over his side.
It's still interesting seeing the original unedited version.
"No it isn‘t"
-George Lucas
Padmes cleavege
"Interesting, it is. Good, it is not."
-Yoda
Well yeah if course it is lol. Duh..?
One of the Few times the Special edition changes are better then the original
"What is thy bidding my master?"
"There is a great disturbance in my sleeping patterns. I haven't had a wink of sleep since the Clone Wars."
xddddd
In Legends, that's true. He never slept at all after killing his master--who, of course, he killed in his sleep.
@@SkulShurtugalTCG It looks that Lucas had it all figured out even back then.
Why
@Cow Lupin grow up
This, among a few other changes, was definitely an improvement, without question!
I prefer this one. Clive Revill's voice fits the mood more than Ian McDiarmid's obvious diabolical style. Also, Revill's more low key and resonant delivery gives it that golden age old film era feel that is missing today where everyone seems to be chewing the scenery. I'm not saying one is better than the other but McDiarmid's style is more of what everyone expects in the modern era of arch villains while Revill has a sublety that you often saw in old films. The original trilogy isn't exactly of the Golden Age era of cinema (which ended after the 60s) but like a like a lot of the best films after, it is definitely owing a lot of its style to that era.
Everyone is entitled to be wrong I suppose
@@thanesladek9901Nothing he said is wrong.
That’s not Palpatine, that’s Snoke's disabled brother. The emperor sounds like any generic, wallpaper, background imperial officer here. No distinction, no significance to really and truly stand out from the rest and be known as an "Emperor" or "Dark Lord of the Sith" or "Vader's Boss." Feels like a discount impostor with bad makeup. Wonder how different things would have been if he stayed instead of Ian's palps.
The delivery of this version is mysterious and haunting, while the updated one feels more sinister. Both are good in their own way. I have nothing but respect for the original version, but... I gotta say, Ian McDiarmid really just sounds more evil. Clive Revill, while good, just doesn't have a voice that makes your blood turn to ice. Ian's emperor sounds and looks more like evil incarnate. I know this is the original so no disrespect to Clive Revill, but Ian Mcdiarmid is far superior in the re-release, he's just a lot more evil.
One of my most conflicted Star Wars changes.
On one hand, Ian McDiarmid is the definitive Emperor. Seeing him and hearing his voice just feels natural as well as being way more chilling compared to the original voice. Not to mention it doesn't look this....Weird.
On the other hand, the mixture of an elderly woman, man's voice and chimpanzees'(?) eyes is so disturbing and downright creepy, it feels more intimidating.
Ian is a stage actor first and foremost. He is more truer to Star Wars than Clive ever could be, again zero disrespect, just the facts. Of course George chose him in the end and everyone remembered and preferred him. Star Wars IS Shakespeare, period. Clive is of a different genre, a different time. Simply put.
@@Vandicoup What many forget is that the Emperor himself wasn't meant to be the big bad originally. He was initially conceived as a reclusive figure who stayed in the background while his Imperial junta did all of those terrible atrocities (like Tarkin and his Death Star). Who knows how the saga would have turned out if they kept with the first few lines of the novel where it was mentioned that he was a former merchant prince type who got put into his position but then became kind of dependent on their protection. I think George Lucas was being inspired by the Japanese Emperor (and an increasingly reclusive and infirmed Hitler) during WWII who were less the mover and shakers where Tojo (your proactive Shogun type) and other high ranking generals along with Nazi leaders like Himmler, Hess, and Goebels were the inspiration for Tarkin, Motti, Tagge and others.
I knew it. The master from fallout 1 was the villain all along
How did u get so many likes on such an old video
@@borris3768 it was me. I did that. Apologies
@@borris3768 plus it's not even really a good comment
@@fatcat1 It is
He looks like a human tryna be a mutant
The design of Vaders helmet with James Earl Jones deep voice is just so perfect. Probably the most iconic villain of all time
JEJ is hit or miss with some of his line deliveries
I’m not going to lie. This scene is awkward when you learn how the Star Wars story evolved. In the first film, Lucas hadn’t finished the scripts for the remainder of the trilogy, and so there was nothing concrete about who Vader was in relation to Luke’s father, Skywalker. You can see this awkwardness on full display in Scene 38 of a New Hope when Obi-Wan (Ben) fights Vader and calls him Darth.
With that said, JEJ’s lines and voice work will seem out of sync with how the story evolved over four decades. He literally didn’t know Luke was his son when he filmed this. Lucas only wrote that script after the surprising success of his first film.
@@tyrannusrex31 Calling him "Darth" was a mockery, for him Vader was just a fool. "When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master” "Only a master of evil, Darth"
@@pwao We view it that way now, but Vader wasn’t actually Anakin Skywalker yet. And the name Darth Vader wasn’t indicative of a sith name, yet. Darth Vader was the only working name in that script, and Darth was understood to mean something else entirely.
@@tyrannusrex31 I agree, but it totally works if you consider it a mockery.
He looks like if one of those clones Palpatine made went wrong.
Not like the other cases were any better given Snoke.
I liked this one, the appearance and voice is more mysterious or something.
He looks like somebody making goggles with their upside down hands
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Wtf😂😂
Best comment lol
beat me to it
Lmao this was spot on
Clive sounds too dignified, like an evil politician instead of an evil dark lord.
Fits more with Sheev when he was Frank, before he became The Senate.
Gotta love Frank Palpatine
I actually completely understand that last sentence.
It makes sense with what they were originally going for with the Emperor, in the novel for ANH(Wich was based on an earlier version of the Script) he was supposed to just be an Ambitious politician. So it's likely he based his performance on that
I thought the same thing about Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine in the prequels. His voice has the same lilting, yet creepy quality of Clive Revill’s voice. In fact, I heard that Richard Marquand cast him as Palpatine, because his voice sounded similar to that of Clive Revill.
Frank? I didn't know he was once named Frank. :o
"What is thy bidding my Master?"
"I need some benadryl"
Thank you for preserving this cinema history
Fun fact: The original emperor was played by Marjorie Eaton, a painter born in 1901, making her the earliest born actor in star wars.
Marjorie Eaton also played Miss Persimmon in Mary Poppins (1964).
And also the first actor, or actress in this case, to play Emperor Palpatine.
and the voice was actually someone named Clive Rivil. just like David Prowse played Darth Vader but James Earl Jones did his voice
And the emperor's eyes were actually the eyes of a gorilla
@@thecianinator I just can't fathom why they made the Emperor a special-effects composite. Did they have no intention of using him as an active character in Return of the Jedi at that point? I'm pretty sure Gary Kurtz said they intended to have the final showdown with the Emperor in Episode 9 at that point, but they still knew they would need a real actor for him eventually.
I just realized it was Vader who suggested they might want to turn Luke to the dark side rather than outright destroy him like the Emperor wanted. So this might be the first hint that Vader loved his son?
Saw it once and realized that.
The emperor agreed with him enthusiastically though, I think Vader was just thinking outside the box. It sets up the whole struggle for Luke to stay on the light side
I think the Emperor saw his own chance there because Luke was younger and hadn't gotten messed up and on life support like Darth Vader, plus Luke was younger. He wanted to convince Luke to kill Vader and replace him, as he got Anakin to kill and replace Count Dooku.
Obviously, Vader NEVER wanted to kill his son.
Vader knew Luke was his son long before this scene. I think in this scene, when it is clear the Emperor knows Luke is his son, Vader's heart sinks. It's almost pleading when he says "he's just a boy." If you really think about it, so much of what Vader does is motivated by a desire to keep Luke alive. He's willing to offer him up to the dark side because it may well be the only scenario in which the Emperor wouldn't have him killed, knowing full well that the Rule of Two means he himself would have to die at his son's hand if Luke turned. (Palpatine, being the conniving fuck that he is, honestly, has probably already planned on taking the younger Skywalker for himself.) Everything Vader does in regards to Luke from A New Hope on is motivated by his love for his son.
I could probably write a dissertation on this, I love the Anakin/Vader character so much and am fascinated with his relationship with Luke. This is a pathetic snippet of how much I've pondered this instead of doing life.
this one has a much calmer feeling. its more intense to me. james voice carries more in this.
This was better bc it left more to the imagination, or perhaps he really did look like that since it couldn't be in-universe technology being faulty.
Also, Vader, Luke, & Leia weren't originally related. Vader originally tells Luke that Obi-Wan killed Anakin; it was changed in post to preserve surprise.
Imagine if the emperor had looked and sounded like this in ROTJ.
@@pamcollins4334 fem? I guess he looks pretty attractive
@@Nadie47 it’s a woman that was the face i believe
@@zeroslit ah I see, interesting
Interesting alternate universe.
@@pamcollins4334 The Femperor
Video: 14 years old
UA-cam: Yes this seems like a good time to put this on everyone’s feed.
Ikr
Same Xd
True
Yeah same as every other video gee
Mando came out this week, everyone’s getting hyped up again about Star Wars, yes, this actually was a good time.
Here's a fun fact:
Clive Revill, the voice of the Emperor, would later go on to star in the Calvert and Miramax cuts of the unfinished masterpiece, The Thief and The Cobbler, as King Nod.
I wonder how people reacted at that time when Palpatine was initially introduced as a green alien with a deformed face only to later be an elderly wrinkled-faced human in Return of the Jedi. Did you think they were different characters or was there any discomfort about the change?
I bet the toxicity in the fandom grew that day.
I guess the change was made for practical reasons - it was easier to portray him as an elederly human rather than a big-eyed alien. It was early 80s, the special effects weren't as easy to do as they are now.
I know many of the changes made by Lucas to the original movies are very unpopular, and understandably so. But changing the emperor to Ian McDiarmid in this particular scene is, at least in my opinion, an improvement. McDiarmid is excellent as palpatine, and it also gives the series a better sense of continuity.
+Ry Continuity for the overall saga, yes. Continuity for this particular move, Empire, hell no.
It's the inclusion of one line that ruins the new version. When Darth Vader responses to the revelation that the rebel he had been chasing is the son of Anakin Skywalker. Vader says, "How is that possible?" As if he's hearing it for the first time. Yet, all throughout Empire, Darth Vader knows he's chasing his son as he even refers to him as "Skywalker" in the movie prior to this scene. Hell, the title scroll even mentions that Darth Vader is hunting down Luke Skywalker.
Plus if you forget the prequels or at least understand your supposed to watch the prequels AFTER the original trilogy, this scene is better. It paints the emperor as a spooky, mysterious figure that we know nothing about. Unfortunately, in this version...we see the Emperor too much of him and too clearly. Making for his reveal in Return of the Jedi less impactful.
Jordan Moore The impression I got was that they were trying to deceive one another.
+Jordan Moore that line was indeed really bad., and confused me until I found out it was added. But I prefer McDiarmand. Well, that's what I like about re-releases. Take your pick of what you like. I prefer the new emperor overall, as for this scene both versions have their merits.
Jordan Moore I'm pretty sure he was playing the Emperor and vice versa. He didn't want him to know that he knew.
Anyways I prefer Ian (especially the voice) but I wish they covered his face with shadows. Or at least give him the same makeup as in Jedi.
he was good in return of the jedi but then in revenge of the sith once he turns into the emperior he looks way too cartoonish and acts a bit cartoonish heck he acts cartoonish the whole film and its just another problem to add to revenge of the sith.
Such a great twist. You can see his attempts to save his sons life, even before they reveal it.
Not really.
satnav1980 bruh literally just checked my notifications and saw a response “not really” on a comment I made on a star wars video last year, I got strep throat and I’m making tomato soup right now, go take a shit bro and cool off man.
@@steampoweredmaniac5359 lol
@@steampoweredmaniac5359 How was the soup? Did it cool down?
@@usarmynow3743 Soup was good, couldn't finish it all. It's in the fridge right now, gonna reheat it later.
A recovering death stick addict still taking the challenge to lead the empire. What a leader
Honestly worth hunting down the complete ORIGINAL versions of these three films.
If you've only seen the "new" versions, you see some of the effects, sets, and ships and you think "oh yeah... that probably took two seconds on a computer" whereas when you watch the original versions you basically spend the entire time in AWE asking yourself "HOW THE HELL DID THEY DO THAT!"
My 11th grade english teacher had the original 1977 theatrical version of star wars on a cd, played it for the whole class. Wish I'd asked for a copy
Where can i find the original movies?
@@MaxerV19 You could try TPB, if that's still a thing... I got my copies yearrrrs ago.
And unfortunately I've had bad luck with my external hard drives... so I'm not sure if I even have ANY movies, music or tv shows anymore, tbh. 😂
Edit: The impressive thing about the originals is actually just how similar they are to the versions available today... the thing that sucks is unless it's a big floppy cgi monster, you can't really tell what's original and what isn't. MOST of it is original, though. They made this crazy film on a shoestring budget by literally gluing styrofoam cups and trash together into a ship and somehow making it look SO REAL.
What you wanna do is search YT for "All changes made to A New Hope" (and the other films) and you should find a channel called "Luke Skywalker"
And this person actually has side by side comparisons with the original theatrical version. They're great videos!
I think they also explain exactly HOW MANY different versions of the film there really are, too! At times they compare 4 different versions of the same scene... because George just HAS to mess with parts of the films EVERY. TIME. they get rereleased. When really, it should have just stayed the same all along! It's fine to touch up and remaster films of course...! But to change stuff around and add all kinds of CGI and junk is truly a disservice to the history of the film... and special effects in films.... and filmmaking in general, tbh.
Just in my opinion, I guess.
@@meddle333 I agree
Yeah I feel a lot more immersed in the original versions. Thankfully my mom bought me the movies on DVD when I was a kid and the box set they came in have bonus discs with the original versions on them. It does feel more impressive and also feels like a piece of special history now that they're kind of rare. Kinda pissed they aren't available. I get changing them around, whatever, but put that shit on the bonus discs, not the original versions. It's not like it ruins the movies now but it takes me out of it, like I said the original versions feel more immersive to me, because they don't have anything that isn't supposed to be there
I'm glad that they changed Palpatine after this, but on the other hand, this original scene really adds to the mystery of the Emperor.
Same. I can't imagine the series without Ian McDarmid as Palpatine, but this scene works really well within the setting of the movie.
That’s the thing: Empire raised the stakes so well. Think about what it does. Vader answers to the Emperor. Ben answers to Yoda. Han Solo had an even bigger scoundrel in his past named Lando. Obviously as a man of a certain age I gotta love the whole OT, but what if Jedi had just been different, not to mention better? What if they’d found a way to preserve this image of the Emperor, made him more quiet, ghostly, and menacing instead of the scenery chewing of Ian McDiarmi?
@@mrcpblair According to Ian McDiarmid, imitating Revill's performance was the initial direction he was given before things developed.
Originally, he wasn't supposed to be seen "live" till ep. 9, where Luke and his twin sister (not Leia) confronts him together.
It's really sad that George Lucas pulled the plug and didn't let Gary Kurtz and co continue with what they had planned
@@mrcpblair I find it funny how the G.I. Joe franchise in the 1980s pulled the same tricks to introduce new characters for a while. You thought Duke was the leader of G.I. Joe? Nope, he answers to General Hawk. Cobra Commander runs Cobra? Nope, now there's a Cobra Emperor named Serpentor he answers to. And later, we find out Serpentor is just the lackey of the ultimate bosses Cobra-La. And forget about Gung-Ho or Roadblock being the strongest Joe. The ultimate G.I. Joe soldier is now Sgt. Slaughter. One thing they never dared do, though, is try to find someone to top Snake-Eyes.
I have the 2006 DVDs which come with the original theater versions along with the special editions, I can honestly understand why they changed it.
I like that emperor
This scene is genius. So creepy but effective
The old versions were so good and genius
@@adanalyst6925 no they weren’t😂this version is so shit. Ian gives a way better performance and is actually menacing
@G E T R E K T No, you are blinded by loyalty to a fraudulent idiot who doesn't care about his army of fans or this series he stole credit for.
@G E T R E K T Eh, it's a good scene, it's just the Ian McDiamid version is better (Though I wished they gave him the RotJ look instead of the RotS look).
@G E T R E K T its actually better but go on
George Lucas really created so many childhoods, couldnt imagine having growing up without this franchise in my life
Yeah😍 he is the best. Long life Lucas! I wish theye build him a stature
@@bernhardsonn8996 yeah hes great they really should, glad he knows how appreciate he is
Same here, whenever I hear people say they've never seen Star Wars I honestly can't imagine what that's like.
@@tumadre1824 I only said that I can't imagine what it's like to have never seen Star Wars. How was I at all being disrespectful? How was my comment at all hurting anyone.
@@JaredGriffiths2000 it wasn't disrespectful my man 👍 I couldn't imagine a childhood without it either!
I was actually very lucky to grow up with both versions. My grandparents had taped VHS of the originals but I was born in 95 so I grew up in time for the prequels and the special editions with the golden dvd case but also the vhs versions so I sort of got to see all of it. I like both versions and honestly most changes I liked but it's still cool to have seen all the versions plus the prequels as a kid and for me I really loved the EU so all the comics and video games like the rogue squadron novels and tales of the jedi and stuff and the toys just lots of great star wars stuff in late 90s and early and mid 2000s.
Ironically, this is the only time we ever hear the Emperor refer to Luke by his first name.
When The Emperor has peanut allergies.
Break out the epipen.
Lmao
I can't even begin to imagine how audiences might have reacted to this Scene back in '80. I mean, an Emperor was mentioned a few times in 'A New Hope' but no one knew anything about him. As far as the then-Fans were concerned, he might have just been a powerless figurehead, while a couple of beaurcrats are really running the Empire (as it has been suggested in the Prologue of the 'A New Hope'-Novelisation).
Until this Moment, Vader was the ultimate Evil, unstoppable and merciless... And then this: Suddenly there is someone Vader calls "Master" and bows to, a being even more powerful than the Dark Lord
+Schwatvogel Actually, about Vader being the ultimate Evil until this, I'm not so sure. In ESB maybe, but in A New Hope, he just seems like somekind of commander who is under the command of Tarkin. Or something like that.
Nonsense. Vader could've destroyed Palpatine whenever he wanted. He was way more powerful and skilled. The only reason he didn't is because he was expecting Sidious to teach him the power to create life. But Vader is the most powerful force user in history by far. He could obliberate Yoda and Sidious together
@@Alber7892 Marka Ragnos
Yes it was a huge moment. I was 9 at the time. :)
@@Alber7892 Vader was neither more powerful nor more skilled, Palatine would wipe the floor with him any day of the week, anakin had the potential to be a mortal god but that potential was lost when he was cut down on mustafar
Absolutely terrifying.
That they ever considered using this.
His voice is cool too
but the iconic one is one in a Million
Old Palpatine: We have a new enemy, Luke Skywalker.
New Palpatine: We have a new enemy. I have no doubts that he is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.
I believe the reason for this change is because in the original ESB, Darth Vader had already found out that the rebel who destroyed the Death Star was his son. Meanwhile, the new dialogue implies he was unaware until the Emperor told him.
@@MrCracky32 Vader knew Luke was his son, he was just playing dumb since both him and palpatine were plotting against each other. Vader wanted to train Luke so he could kill the emperor for him while Palpatine wanted Luke to replace his father
I think it would've been better if he didn't say "Anakin" so it would be a surprise in the prequels that Anakin was Vader all along
CreativeUsername B Anakin and Darth Vader are two different identities, but they're in the same body. In one of the comics it showed that Darth Vader destroyed Anakin Skywalker in his vision.
@@cckiller0053 That's just there to jive with the "certain point of view" line.
First time that's really struck me that Vader was effectively trying to save his son's life by changing Palpantine's mind.
But also, they are both aware of the Rule of Two... saving Luke and turning him must surely mean one of them has to die!
@@fsswoodshop3646 indeed
@@fsswoodshop3646 Or become an Inquisitor
Palpatine wanted Luke to kill him so he could take his body.
@@hemmel2261 No, that was introduced in Episode 9. That was never in Empire's script.
The actor who did the voice of the Emperor was the original voice actor for Alfred in Batman the Animated Series which also featured Mark Hammill who is of course the subject of this entire conversation.
I like this emperor more because he looks more deformed and monstrous than Ian’s portrayal.
"Can it be done?"
"Eye-I mean, he will join us or die."
This version of The Emperor gave me nightmares!!!!!
Charlton CEC he looks so goofy
his eyes, and hhis momentary smile... are unnatural on a human face.... and yes... the stuff of nightmare fuel
When we were unnerved by this scene way back in 1980, there was enormous mystery about him. Also awe and foreboding. Vader bowing before him. You can sense his power. Very creepy. I still like that face. I wish some of prosthetic part of his face could have fallen off - a lesson to all Sith Lords not to flame grill your face with your own force lightning. So be it...
Yeah sure it did
Yes, but just because he's disgusting
That voice. Bruh. I am glad they changed it. Not every edit is bad. And this proves it.
Wow, I had forgotten. I need to get my VHS version out again. I'm starting to forget things!
“There is a great disturbance in the force”
“Hayfever seasons upon us” 👀
What the hell is his face? He makes the real Palpatine look cute.
Well if this is an original scene from the 80's then this is the real Palpatine & the one we're use to seeing is a modern dark looking Palpatine that has over shadowed the real & goofy looking Palpatine
@@Cloud-9_C9 No, really?!
@@prot07ype87 yeah really fuckin smart ass
@@Cloud-9_C9 XD
@@Cloud-9_C9 No, even Return of The Jedi Palpatine looks different from how he did here.
*How much more simple can you put that? It’s concise, direct, and to the point.*
I prefer this version, it's the real movie we saw in theaters back in the day.... not the touched up versions.
In think this scene makes the “I am your father” moment very revolutionary. No mention of Anakin. Just the son of Skywalker. It makes the reveal of Anakin = Vader really good.
@C 1983 Because at the time this movie came out, no one knew Vader was Anakin. So a mention of Anakin here could make a few people suspect the huge plot twist of Vader being Luke's father way too soon.
what? but... nobody knew vader was anakin either... am i missing something?
People weren’t interested in the character of anakin as they are now. It was more Vader being Luke’s father
The dialog is a bit muddy. They shouldn't have given Luke the surname Skywalker, if he was in hiding and that was the name of his father; or his father should have been named something else; Skywalker could have been a decoy. Why he wasn't adopted and given the name Lars is beyond me. Or maybe Vader killed Skywalker and took his woman, like what happened in _Highlander?_ I saw _Coco_ this year and the identity of the boy's grandfather was unknown to him for awhile.
But changing the visuals of this scene was OK with me.
It seems like The Emperor, going by this scene, was originally going to be more of an evil Obi Wan Kenobi.
As it turned out he was the opposite number of Yoda personality wise
@General Uprising ah yes.
British accent = Old Ben Voice
@General Uprising hello, welcome to the joke, do you have a reservation with us?
Exactly - it says just that in the making of books , in some ways it feels like an alternate timeline with the original edits and voices , some I like better , more gravitias
Something like Count Dooku I guess
It's crazy to me that people who watched the original saw such a different movie
I can't watch the new editions at all. ROTJ suffered the most. What a mess.
@@711ramen lol that cgi dance at Jabba's palace.. my god it was awful.
Complete chills and memories from my childhood.
Fun fact: the person that done the body acting for the original emperor was played by an actress named Marjorie Eaton and his voice over was done by Clive Revill
That’s Clive Revill? Damn, how did I not recognize him 😨
@Smithy18 Just saw that in preparation for the scene, lots of face prosthetics were used, so she's essentially unrecognizable.
Yes! Female Emperor… good fun fact
I see all the hate on here about this scene, but I wish we had the option to have the original versions of the film, without all the edits and updates. Revill’s voice over was excellent and had an element of both dark and a sort of nobility too.
It's literally in the video description.
This Emperor sounds like every typical 70s villain
I mean, the movie was made in 1980, so… yea
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Like who.
Every 2020s villain sounds like a typical 2020s villain.
@G E T R E K T Clive Revill (who provided the voice of Palpatine for this scene) was far from a noob, but this scene sounds like he was reading the lines off the script as he was recording them. There is hardly any emotion in his voice; especially when Vader suggests that Luke could be turned to the dark side, Palpatine responds with "Yes...yes" in a very flat, robotic-like tone.
Ian McDiramid's version sounds much more intimidating. When he says "Yessss...yessss" it actually sounds like he's putting genuine thought into the possibility that Luke could indeed be a powerful ally.
Vader has a master!?!? I am blown away, George. Blowwowowowown!!
At the time of commenting this, this video was posted 15 years ago. That’s insane to me. Woah. One day some of my students will be as old as this video.
I love the way he said he was no threat and can’t be trained, then when that wasn’t good enough still tried to protect him by contradicting himself saying he could become a powerful ally.
it's not a contradiction. he said he was weak at the moment, but if they trained him, then they could make him powerful
dan9805 As big of a Star Wars fan as I am, I always get rewarded when I go onto the comments of these clips. :)
You're comment brings up an important point: Vader subtly tries to convince the Emperor that Luke can be turned to the dark side ... only AFTER trying to persuade him to leave Luke alone.
This means that Vader was trying to innitially save Luke from the Dark Side. Even before, of course, trying to save Luke from death as an enemy.
Vader just showed the audience that he does not fully believe in the Dark Side, and that he loves Luke more than he believes in his own cause...!
He didn’t say he can’t be trained at all
He said he must not become a Jedi, big difference
That exactly what I was thinking. He’s trying to protect his son.
He never wanted Luje to be taken by Sideous it was clearly “ don’t touch him” rather than “ he’s weak and means no threat to us”
One of my most conflicted Star Wars changes.
On one hand, Ian McDiarmid is the definitive Emperor. Seeing him and hearing his voice just feels natural as well as being way more chilling compared to the original voice. Not to mention it doesn't look this....Weird.
On the other hand, the mixture of an elderly woman, man's voice and chimpanzees'(?) eyes is so disturbing and downright creepy, it feels more intimidating.
The real problem for me is the change in the text. In the original version, it is actually Vader who convinces (!) the Emperor to not kill Luke but to turn him to the dark side (in order to use him to overthrow the Emperor). Vader has his own agenda, he is active and scheming. In the altered version, the allknowing Sidious just gives orders to his passive and obedient servant Vader, which not only contradicts Vader's role in the rest of the film, but also makes his character much less interesting and nuanced. In my opinion, it's the second worst change Lucas did, right after the frustratingly stupid "Nooooooo" in the climactic scene of Episode VI.
@@untruelie2640 oof
@@untruelie2640 That horrifyingly ugly singing cgi alien is the worst change in the series
@@durrclips746 Debatable. But it's at least in the Top 5.
Honestly i cant even make out the face if im honest. Looks weird as hell. Like random clumps of flesh moulded round the eyes(?)
Palpatine looks and sounds like he just finished eating some Taco Bell.
I personally would love for the original unedited version to be released in some sort of DVD or digital fashion just to see it
I managed to get the 3 originals along with the digital versions from Amazon in a 2 disc set
There is a dvd set for the original theatrical trilogy. Costs a bit more than the remastered versions.
Having only ever seen the updated version, I find this one fascinating.
What do you think after seeing it?
I'm used to this one, but when the later one became new to me, it seemed kind of hoaky and shoe-horned in there.
There are some things about the new one that are better though. The Emperor's dominant posture, a little more energy...
I'm curious to know how weird it is seeing the two scenes in the reverse way.
@@bentonrp I think it’s a lot more interesting and looks weird. I was very intrigued.
@@qwertystudios3815 Wow, coool! Thanks! =)
Agree
@@qwertystudios3815 It does and it didn't need to be changed. You are watching a movie from 1980 that you want to see as it was intended to look at the time. The voice actor isn't that great but the vibe you get is something hidden, mysterious and creepy the way it was meant to be portrayed yet people will go on about how shit it looks and love edited scene... To each is own i guess XD
POINT OF VIEW: At the time I first watched The Empire Strikes Back, I thought to myself, "Darth Vader and The Emperor want to turn Luke Skywalker to the dark side of the force, so then Luke can join them." But, I later learned there can only be two Sith at a time. This means when Darth Vader said that Luke could "join us" and the Emperor said "Yes," it meant several things.
First, Vader was apparently referring to "Us," as the "Sith" organization rather than "Vader and The Emperor."
Second, this meant Vader was literally telling the Emperor, "As a result of convincing Luke Skywalker to join us, one of 'us' is going to live and one of 'us' is going to die." Vader obviously wants himself to live. And Vader has expressed a desire for Luke to join the Sith, so it is logical to conclude Vader wants Luke (his son) to live. Therefore, this means Vader was telling the Emperor, "I want you to die."
Third, this meant The Emperor was literally telling Darth Vader, "As a result of convincing Luke Skywalker to join us, one of 'us' is going to live and one of 'us' is going to die." The Emperor obviously wants himself to live. And The Emperor expressed a desire for Luke to join the Sith, so it is logical to conclude The Emperor wants Luke to live. Therefore, this means The Emperor was telling Vader, "I want you to die."
This actually was confirmed later in The Empire Strikes Back when Vader tells Luke, "Join me and we shall rule the galaxy as father and son."
This was further confirms later in Return of the Jedi when The Emperor tells Luke Skywalker to kill Darth Vader.
The interesting thing is that in this scene in The Empire Strikes Back, both Darth Vader and The Emperor are essentially telling each other, "I want you to die" so enthusiastically. Yet, neither of them seems to take offense to it.
That two at a time nonsense was a retcon.
I just don’t think the rule of two existed at the time this movie was made
@@DamienDrake obviously not since it was established in the prequels long before the extended universe was even canon with the addition of Darth bane do you even know what youre talking about?
@@onemanarmy2electricboogalo687 obviously you don't, either you don't know what a retcon is or you lack reading comprehension.
@@nearlydead7510 Retcons can work when they don't interfere with established lore. The Rule of Two absolutely works, and doesn't interfere with anything in the OT, save MAYBE for this scene.
Hell, later when Vader tells Luke the truth, he flat out says he and Luke can destroy the Emperor. That fits perfectly with the Rule of Two, even tho it would be another decade or so before that was envisioned. (IIRC, it wasn't mentioned until TPM)
That looks even more creepy then the remastered verison
I love that people still watch thisscene
When I was a little kid this scene was terrifying
Funny story actually. When i was around 6 years old in about 2011, my dad showed me 5 of the 6 movies currently out, as he had both the original trilogy and The Phantom Menace on VHS, and he had Attack of the Clones on DVD, but he did not own the DVD of Revenge of the Sith. One day my dad rented the Revenge of the Sith DVD from Netflix, and i was so scared when i saw the surgery scene near the end of the movie, that i started screaming and crying.
@@lordgarmadon2598 same, when anakin went on fire I was scared when i was 6, I was screaming make it stop while hiding behind my dad lol
@@fc_oofmanyt6501 Yeah when I saw that scene when I was in my 30's in the theater I was like, "Okay I can understand where all the anger comes from now!" That fight was one of the very few redeemable parts of the prequels.