Doesn’t the Muriel middle section look like the back middle section of the tarot cards from Agatha all along could this be a possible connection to both sectors of the mcu magic and multiverse Or it could be just a mcu icon for time flowing up and down 🥰🥰
Also did you hear that Jonathan major’s film magazine dreams will be coming out in many theaters in the early part of 2025 be distributed by briarcliff And his other film Merciless is a supernatural revenge thriller film starring Jonathan Majors as a CIA interrogator seeking revenge it reminds me of when he was in LoveCraft country on hbo he’s very good at working in supernatural plots and story’s that is being directed and made by Martin Villeneuve, the younger brother of Dune filmmaker Denis Villeneuve It’s gonna start filming any day now and be released by the end of 2025 so 2 films in a year looks like his star is back on the rise Maybe a possible kang return I know Disney thinks making Robert Downey jr evil doom is gonna bring back the fans but I’ve seen and heard that so many people didn’t really like this decision at all so here’s hoping 🥰🥰
But aren’t Deadpool and Wolverine back in Deadpool’s original universe/ timeline/tree so there still not in or apart of the sacred 616 so how moving forward would they be added into the 616 that was always what was confusing to me it’s like ok there safe yet there still not in or apart of the 616
Thanks! Those vids were so much fun to put together. What a great movie. And I took French in high school myself. I do remember being told "ferme la bouche, si vous plait" by my teacher many times. lol. Yeah, no surprise that I talked too much!
1:58 - I’m sure somebody else has brought it up, but that mural IS Loki’s tree, just viewed sideways/horizontally instead of vertically. It’s not the loom because the loom didn’t branch at both ends, it existed to weave raw time into the singular “sacred timeline” thread.
And if u notice , that is one of the Symbol design of TVA , u can see tht symbol all around in Loki S1 , I think it's showing Loki's tree which is 616 and TVA symbol on it meaning TVA is Protecting 616 universe
Nice to see that you talk about these scenes. I do like watching deleted scenes, I think they add a tiny bit of context to the overall story (especially that first one). Also can't wait for your timeline update!
I agree...it's fun to see what was filmed but ultimately cut from the movie. Gives us abit more insight into what the director and writers were thinking!
Paradox's comment about Wade not knowing about other universes would make sense if Wade's visit to Happy Hogan and all subsequent lines of dialogue referencing it were reshoots made after that scene was deleted. If they were indeed added later, that version of Wade wouldn't know about the multiverse at that point of the film's development.
I thought the same about the second scene, might be something they did either before the writers strike and then they figured that wasn't needed + the continuity errors.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237it's not continuity errors because he was using Cables computer to do all of that They said one charge but it's clear he used it multiple times
Mobius did ask B15 to keep the murals from HWR running the TVA so that they learn from the past and I wouldn't be surprised if Paradox kept those for his division since he's a bit more set on the old ways. I also would love if any Marvel project would release a straight to video re-releases to alter some details to make it more accurate like Abomination design in Incredible Hulk to make it more obvious that he would turn into his current form and more importantly to Add in Canon deleted scenes
Good point about learning from the past via the murals. I agree, that makes alot of sense. And yeah, would be cool if Marvel pulled a George Lucas and altered some of their older stuff to make it better fit current canon. But ofc, many people are still mad at Lucas for doing that, so ig it could be a dangerous thing to do?
Great video once again! And dang this is making me want you to make a video or videos about all of the MCU deleted scenes and how they could effect things if they were canon and breaking them down.
I honestly think the continuity issues are a reflection of the shooting delay due to the actors' strike, which is how the leaks came in and they probably rewrote and reshot a bunch of footage. If not for that, the movie could've been quite different.
Uff I would love to see those scenes in the movie, but that's my selfishness for more TVA lore 😂 I just love it so much, but I'm so glad that B15 found love 🥹. Great video I love your D&W breakdowns I'm glad that we have more content, we will see if it's canon
More intersting is that behind the scenes footage reveal that Affleck's Daredevil, Cage's Ghost Rider and Hasselhoff's Nick Fury were originally supposed to be in the film but were cut from some reason
Oh, wow...I hadn't heard they actually filmed footage with Affleck, Cage and Hasselhoff. I know there were pre-vis drawings created for some of the scenes (such as what Ghost Rider would look like), but I didn't realize they actually filmed stuff. Wild!
Hasselhoff was only a stand-in, not actually him, so that's probably what they were going for since they would go way beyond the budget, specially Affleck. Believe it or not, they're not cheap, at least a few million for each (except for Hasselhoff lol).
I genuinely curious on why the didn’t call in Nicolas cage to reprise ghost rider,this movie was a love letter to 2000scsuperhero movies he would have fit right at home,and from the movies he’s been doing he would have done it for nickel 😂
I wondered that as well. I am certain he'll be in Secret Wars, as they have to include him for that. I wonder if they just felt it was better to have the more grounded heroes rather than having Ghost Rider join them...but dang, would be great to see Ghost Rider and Blade together!
I guess it has to do with power levels. Now yeah, that Ghost Rider was never shown to be as powerful as the character from the comics, but they should have nerfed him to make Cassandra Nova work. I wonder more about Ben Affleck not returning, him and real life ex wife Jennifer Garner were on good terms, plus the dig they added was pretty funny but wrong for Elektra's character.
Huh, that first deleted scene's placement sounds interesting. I'm wondering if they deleted it because they decided to add Deadpool travelling to 616 and it therefore became redundant. And yeah I think its made clear that 616 and 10005 are very much separate. I think it's interesting to not the nose injury in that second scene, makes me wonder if either it was a previous injury or it just wasn't meant to be an injury and a mistake on their part. Okay that third scene is hilarious! Great video as always (didn't even realize this video had come out from you until now). I glanced at the thumbnail this morning but missed that it was your video.
That's a good theory about them filming the scene where DP goes to 616 at a later point and then realizing the elevator scene is now redundant. And yeah, that last deleted scene is hilarious. Any chance to get more Peterpool is a win in my book!
Thanks for the video, I had no idea about the last deleted scene it was funny though and I think there are multiple timelines but the MCU is a tree and the other ones are just those straight lines we saw at the end of season 1 of Loki
Yeah, that last scene was pretty funny. And I agree, the other universes are probably not shaped like trees, per se. I suspect the X-Men universe looks like a briar patch. lol!
I'd say in general, the relevance of deleted scenes depends entirely on WHY they were deleted. If it's because it conflicts with some change in the story during production, or the director or higher-ups at Marvel wanted to undo something that happened in it, then obviously we'd have to reject the information in it. But if it's like most deleted scenes that are deleted because they're not necessary for moving the story forward, or to cut down the running time, then those are still worth analyzing, even if we can't officially declare them canon, barring any official Marvel statements. So the deleted scene where Paradox explains the nature of the multiverse, while it totally supports your multiverse model, and I would lean heavily toward accepting it as further evidence to support it, we can't know for sure 100% if it was deleted because it wasn't needed, or because it was deemed too confusing to general audiences, or because it conflicted with future Marvel plans regarding the nature of the multiverse. And the "do nothing" scene, like you pointed out, just contained redundant and unnecessary information, so that's likely why it was deleted. I'd say it was originally written to show the nature of Paradox's job in the TVA, but ultimately it turned out to better to save that reveal for later, to let the audience sympathize with Deadpool's lack of knowledge of what's going on. One thing I'll say about Wade implying that he's seen certain movies, I'm not sure I believe the character in-universe has actually seen those movies. It's really tricky with 4th-wall-breakers, to understand what's actually happening to those characters within the story. It's like there's Wade the narrator and Wade the in-universe character. Every Deadpool movie is basically Wade the narrator telling the story to the audience, as he slips in and out of talking to the audience and showing what happened to Wade the in-universe character. And every time he makes a meta-reference to a real life actor or real life movie, that's just Wade the narrator making an inside joke to the audience, and not necessarily a reveal that Wade the in-universe character actually knows those things. I'm not even entirely convinced that Wade the in-universe character actually visited 616 and talked to Happy Hogan. But we'll just have to see if Marvel clears that up at some point.
Fantastic commentary on deleted scenes. I agree, it's so hard to know if they are canon or not. But either way, I do think they give us some insight into the thought process of the writers / directors. So for that reason, I was very happy to see that first scene. And you also are right about the complexity of a 4th wall breaker. It seems Wade knows what the writers are thinking as he knows the movies do exist...and in the case of Logan he even passed by a theatre showing the movie. But it's hard to know if he literally watched those movies or not. Craziness!
I’m glad that last one was deleted, the idea that potentially all of the Deadpool Corps stayed in 10005 is kinda ridiculous. After all, they have their own peters to get back to
I agree… It’s always fun to see what originally had been intended to be in the movie, but for whatever reason had to be cut. It always gives a little insight into the mind of the director.
07:55 I almost feel like that scene was made for Loki somehow. The lighting, the color choise for the shirt... Idk... In that case it wouldn't be so redundant since the movie would treat people like maybe they didn't watch Loki.
Right, that part of the mural all makes sense to me. I just can’t figure out what’s happening on the left and the right of the hourglass. Since it ended up not even showing up in the movie, I guess it doesn’t matter… But I’d still love to know what they were trying to represent with it
I wonder will Hugh Grant and Hugh Jackman make a film together? I know they are 8 year age gap between them, one is a British actor who is so dashing and the other one is an Australian actor who resembles Clint Eastwood. Ryan Reynolds would definitely have a field day with Hugh Grant and Hugh Jackman.
I'm actually really upset that they left that first scene out. My biggest criticism of the movie was its confusing multiverse logic compared to the rest of the nultiverse central projects, because it seemed like it contracicted a lot of it, but that scene alone would have made it a lot better.
I agree… That first scene really would’ve been helpful to have been in the movie. It kind of eased us into some of the bigger discussions ahead and it really framed things nicely.
Fun video. I don't think Marvel Studios has a planned multiverse 'model'. The way characters (Paradox) talk is vague at best - I don't think he's necessarily implying Wade's 'universe' is unconnected to the Loki's tree, because the TVA's job at the end of season 2 was to monitor those branches. So I've always interpreted it as a universe = a timeline. There doesn't seem to be a distinction between how they use the terms. i.e. I think the 'sacred' timeline (616) is the 'original' universe/timeline from which all other alternative universes/timelines emerge from. Which only start occurring as a result of Loki season 1 and 2. Meaning I think Wade's 'universe'/'timeline' (which ever term you prefer) is a branch off the sacred timeline.
Yeah, at this point Marvel has yet to show us what the multiverse looks like from afar, other than ofc Loki's tree. So I think it's a valid theory to assume every universe sprouted from that tree. But I think Marvel has given us lots of hints that the other universes (such as 10005) are not connected to the tree. They refer to them as "stacked" or "parallel" or not "anchored", etc. But hopefully the Fantastic Four movie will give us a definitive answer. Fingers crossed!
Ok you've went deeper than anyone else on this movie Good work Anything Personally i dont think the TVA should have been included and that whole Anchor being thing is how DC works not Marvel those are my only two gripes with the movie everything else was fine That mural was creepy tho 😖
Yeah, the anchor being stuff was really confusing to me. I didn't mind the TVA as much, but I think they should have explained their new role alot better. And yeah, that mural was creepy!
Could it be that the Elevator Ride was seen as telling everyone information that they already knew, not just within the audience, but the movie, too? Even though it makes no sense how Cable's device brought Wade to the Sacred Timeline, maybe that scene was actually created as part of a restructuring of Wade's identity crisis, and so then you don't need the Elevator Ride anymore because it's just exposition that we had already seen, and it didn't make sense to tell the audience what they'd been shown. Do Nothing is definitely odd. It's possible that could have been shot during the writer's strike and before the actor's strike. Once everyone was back, I'm sure changes were made to the movie that made everything else work a lot better. That's why I mentioned the whole thing about Wade's identity crisis, maybe there was an entirely different reason for that instead of being rejected by the Happy Hogan, and then breaking up with Vanessa. Maybe it was still a breakup with Vanessa, but he gave up on being Deadpool to try and be around more for her in the hopes of starting a family, but then he was no longer happy, making everything else not work. That has nothing to do with the scene between Paradox and B-15, but this movie was made during a very weird period of time in Hollywood, so any number of reasons could result in these deleted scenes. And the same could be said for Daddy's in Love, although that seems like it might have been much later. It's probably just to help wrap the movie up quicker. It's not that it isn't fun having more of Peter and B-15, but adding the scene probably broke the flow as well as taking away the main focus of the movie. I don't recall there being a mid-credit scene though, it could have worked there, but again, it's not really relevant, and it's not as funny as the true post credit scene with Johnny Storm saying everything Deadpool said he did.
Well said on all counts...I agree, the scenes were fun, but ultimately didn't add to the movie. It was probably a smart move for Reynolds to remove them.
Could you make a chronological timeline of the MCU, including Runaways, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and one-shots? It would be great if you could make it as simple as possible. I mean, inside and outside of the MCU, if you know what I mean.
Good question. So I do have timelines PDF documents on my googledrive for each of the different shows, but I don't have an image that includes them in a timeline with the MCU, since Marvel has yet to confirm if they are part of the sacred timeline. However, my googlesheet does have all of the shows interwoven with the MCU. So you can check that out if you want to see where everything fits together.
I've never seen the 3rd deleted scene 😭 that's cute. And eh I take it as peter doesn't know it's a girl underneath or as deadpools sometimes are, gender neutral and some kids don't care in general if they get called whatever. Part of me does wish they added that because I do wonder what happened with Peter n the deadpools after. I also wonder if they went back to the void or wherever. I mean like gambit , blade etc I guess we will see them again however I'm still curious
Yeah, I'm curious where everyone went as well. Seems we're seeing more and more of them appearing with the release of each new scene. We got the Gambit scene showing someone save him and now we see Headpool and Kidpool with Peter. Hope we have a big reunion soon!
Hey, would you be interested in doing a video on whether you think the MCU is in the same multiverse as the comics universe? There is a connection to the Loki series in the latest Deadpool Samurai and it looks as though we are now getting TVA and Kahori comics that connect to the comics universe. Also, Across the Spider-Verse shows images from the comics universe, and we know that this film is connected to the MCU. Love the videos btw!
Interesting...I kinda hope the MCU and the comics aren't connected, as there would be alot of contradictions to have to resolve. But I do think isolated comics are connected. X-Men 97 had tie-in comics and some of the early MCU comics are considered canon. I'm really interested in the new TVA and Kahori comics to see what we learn from them. So yeah, a video on this topic is a very good suggestion!
I feel like ladypoool and cowboypool could still be on wades earth and it would be awesome to see them come back and have Blake physically play ladypool and mcconaughey physically play cowboypool
@@AbitofEverything4U and plus the movie never said what happened to the Deadpool corps no way the tva could send hundreds of variants back to the void some of more well known members of the Deadpool corps could of slipped away from the tva and plus I think it would be hilarious to see Ryan and Blake physically interact with each other on screen together as Deadpool and ladypool there could be a lot of jokes there to be made
That’s an interesting thought… If by “resources” paradox didn’t mean that he needed to reset charges, but that he meant he needed more TVA agents, then maybe I could see it fitting there. It’s still just weird for him to be having such a casual conversation with B-15 that late in the movie. But it definitely would have shown his desperation and wanting to be able to fight off Deadpool in case he were to return from the void.
Right...I think you nailed the timing perfectly. But it's just so weird that he would be calmly talking to B-15 after he got his nose broken by Deadpool and pruned him which goes against the wishes of his superiors. In context, it just makes no sense, imo. So in the end, I'm glad they removed it.
@@AbitofEverything4U I'm sure there were many more deleted scenes at the end of the day, maybe some will appear on DVD in late October? By the way, I still don't understand why they didn't take this good chance to weave more characters from the LOKI series into this, while explaining what happened to Earth 838 after Wanda's attack. There were plenty of opportunities here, given that this was a movie about the multiverse, with Deadpool in the background. So many wasted opportunities to explain multiple plots, in addition to zero, but that's ZERO mention of Loki?
I'm kind of feeling like the only reason they cut the elevator ride was because Paradox is explaining something to Wade that he already knows: the existence of the multiverse. And we already established that he knows it. And in the movie itself,Paradox knows that that Deadpool is being abusive of his timeline. Sometimes you have to have dialogue like this to bring the audience up to speed but they realized that with the flow of the story they now have, the audience already have that information. If I had to guess, I would say that maybe the editing and rewriting changed the order in which this information would have been presented. For instance, maybe originally the story started with him in the TVA and then showed the North Dakota thing. But then they realized it was a stronger opening to go to Logan's grave first. Which actually fit the motif of the other two Deadpool movies which also start in media res. There's really no way to know. I LOVE the opening. The title sequence alone is worth the price of admission and the exposition coming later,I'm fine with that. So if that is how it went down, I totally understand!
I agree...that may be why they cut the elevator scene. It didn't really add anything new and just added more talking to the movie, when it had more of an impact to jump right to the scene in the main HQ of the TVA.
Weird thing is... Peter was married in Deadpool 2. Did he get divorced? Was his wife's name Laura, and "the Laura thing" was B-15 pruning his marriage from the timeline so he could be single? Ryan Reynolds co-wrote both Deadpool 2 and Deadpool and Wolverine and he's not a sloppy writer, so I don't think Peter's marriage would've gotten dropped like that for a quick joke without being set up earlier. Was the whole midlife crisis genital piercing joke the set up for it, then? I'm so confused.
Interesting...I think I forgot Peter was married in DP 2. When was that mentioned? ig that he could have been divorced in the 6 years between DP 2 and DP&W.
@@AbitofEverything4U IIRC, he mentions his wife told him he needed a hobby and that’s why he tried out for X-Force. Or it could’ve been on the Peter W. Twitter account made to tie into the film.
It is kind of wild to think that the only time incursions have been brought up is during Multiverse of madness and briefly during quantumania. I suspect we learn a lot more during the fantastic four movie.
Alright I’m confused lol Have you been suggesting that multiple Loki’s have been finding their way to their vibranium thrones in separate multiverses? And 616 Loki was the only one whose story was chronicled in Loki the show? And that Deadpool’s superpower is that he can see and watch different timelines of the same multiverse but not in different multiverses? I’m confused because of the implications not related to this video. Like are there multiple Earth 616s or every multiverse has an earth and it’s designated as different numbers (i.e. Fox-verse’s earth is 10005 and MCU’s earth is 616)? Btw I love your graphs of the multiversal designs. They’re quite helpful…but I’m still confused lol
Great questions! So, if you've never seen my "History of the Multiverse" video, you might check it out. It's long, but it's broken into chapters. You can find it here, if interested: ua-cam.com/video/kS-v8GA4Wzc/v-deo.html. But in answer to your questions. There is only one 616 and that's the universe where Loki sat on the thrown and created his tree. The other universes are probably not shaped like trees, as only 616 has been formed like that. The other universes are likely just a messy looking briar patch with lines going everywhere. As for how Deadpool jumped from 10005 to 616 for that interview with Happy, I can only explain it as "Deadpool does as Deadpool wants". I mean, in Deadpool 2, he killed the crappy Deadpool from X-Men Origins: Wolverine and also killed Ryan Reynolds before he became Green Lantern. And he watched the Logan movie in the Deadpool short called "No good Deed" to learn about Logan's death. He's basically like She-Hulk, in that they can do some crazy stuff. She jumped out of the Disney+ interface to complain to K.E.V.I.N. about the plot. So 4th wall breakers can do some insane shenanigans. Let me know if that helps. Happy to answer any questions that I can. And thanks for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!
Well darn, the one deleted scene I wanted seems to be not included, which is the TVA agent that got pruned. The others are fine, obviously scene 1 has a lot of value, scene 2 is pretty weird, and scene 3 is odd depending on the whole incursions thing. Really though, I miss having lots of deleted scenes on DVDs, so I guess I'll take what they give us, but I really want to get the full context on that pruned guy.
Ah, yes, DP&W 3 deleted scenes did not make it to the final cut. Nice work, my friend of DP&W video. 1. Elevator Ride, so that mural is definitely forming the Mexican cards of AG:AlAL video. But it was deleted, I am big disappointed. Also, how did Wade know of A-M and TW: QM, Dr. St: ATMUOMA (and the Multiverse of Madness), finally he had which of Logan, It's funny Wade know all of it. The Elevator Ride is canon. 2. Daddy's in love, Peter and B-15 having a romantic moment, but they are having a kiss together. So B-15 is leaving and Peter is ready for 2 deadpool variants for becoming a father. He said "boys" instead of kids, so maybe Peter messed up the line.
I'm all ears for DP&W more deleted scenes and, soon, the end of the mouth. So, episode 5 is the beekeeper, I hope. 1 more thing: Can you do a breakdown video for VM:TLD, 17 days to go.
Good question! So the opening scene of the movie is out of order. The real first scene of the movie is from 2018 in Deadpool’s timeline after he’s used Cable’s device to save his friends and kill the crappy Deadpool at the end of Deadpool 2. It’s at that point that he uses the device to go visit 616. Then we jump six years later and that’s when the TVA shows up at his door and eventually leads to that opening scene at Wolverine’s grave.
I also think the Peter scene would have made a far better post credits scene than the one they went with. In fact I think they should have done their more traditional two (one mid credits and one post credits). And I think in rewatches that is what I'm going to do. I will get to the end of the movies, play Daddy's in Love as the mid credits and the watch the actual post credits. I think this might even have been how it was designed to play out but they also wanted to do the during credits montage and they didn't want to overstuff the closing. Again I have no way of knowing that. Me, I don't need that closing montage because I wasn't a big fan of most of the Fox stuff so I'm probably going to skip that part in rewatches and do both post credits instead.
3:05 When if they weren’t branched(I do think Fox it it’s own tree) paradox js just getting that Wade is annoying and doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things with it’s anchor being gone 3:40 I can’t help but feel paradox ISN’T Lying or least in thjs moment he is Kevin feige’s mouth of “THE MCU IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTER” which is obviously ironic for a number of reasons but that’s a whole different discussion 6:30 hard to say what will stick in terms of canon for the mcu but for the time being it all checks out 7:10 F I believe we were supposed to cut to paradox trying to cover himself at the tva and that as a side plot could work in a show or comics but for a movie it can drag. I can see how it’s cut. 9:02 I think originally that deleted scene was probably only for a different cut of the film and maybe it’s just me but this also undermines when B-15 actually shows up and is surprised as Time ripper was there. 9:15 Also something you don’t show but new rockstars pointed is but when Paradox says that last line there is weird close up of Matthew Macfadyen in an probably green screen set recreation that was probably made after Loki season 2. 12:14 Woah. Intriguing B-15 mentions “we don’t talk about that” so was NOT supposed to bring back Laura as her timeline was pruned?
I'd say deleted scenes can be canon but either within identical "trees" (e.g. 10006,10004) or a group of branches around each other in the trunk 😂😂 i just thought o that just now
Great question! So my theory is that once they were no longer inside the protection of the loom, they were then able to see the entire multiverse via their tech and they set up divisions to monitor each universe. Paradox wasn't happy with his assignment and wanted instead to destroy 10005 and get a better assignment.
Yeah, I do like the idea of the TVA Looking over the entire Multiverse. Gonna be really interesting to see how things continue to play out as we head towards secret wars!
1. What exactly was the role of victor timely ? Why did hwr abducted him & put him into Sacred Timeline ? 2. Did Renslayer duplicated herself when she gave victor timely the book of tva ? 3. What happened to victor timely after the finale?
Great questions! I really did want to know abit more about Victor. But since they didn't directly answer you questions in the series itself, the most we can do is theorize. So, here are my thoughts: 1. I think Victor was a "sleeper agent" that He Who Remains (HWR) placed in the sacred timeline to be "activated" if Loki were to fail to take over as the new ruler of the TVA, which of course ended up happening when Sylvie sent Loki away and killed HWR at the end of season 1. 2. I don't think Renslayer duplicated herself, as she was able to use the time door to travel into the sacred timeline and "activate" Victor, which then created a branch in the timeline. 3. I think Victor is working with the TVA and in fact, the new version of the TVA handbook listed both Victor and OB as the authors.
7:15 I assume Deadpool is one of them. 11:52 Nicepool does confirm that Kidpool is a girl when he makes a comment on her profanity, "That's Kidpool. She's the dirtiest."
I don't think the multiple universes are separate from Loki because of one simple reason. He Who Remains spent the entire time up until Loki took over and sacrificed himself to become the God of Stories preventing other universes existing so that no variant of himself has the opportunity to restart the multiversal war. If we assume Earth-10005, 96283 (Raimiverse), 120703 (TASM) etc. are separate from He Who Remains' loom then why didn't Raimi Kang, TASM Kang, FoX-Men Kang or Paint Kang try to kill He Who Remains. (Just because they didn't exist in the original plans doesn't Marvel couldn't retcon them in) They made a point that all the other Kang variants only reappeared after his death.
Great questions! So the key in Loki season 1 is that HWR said he "isolated" the sacred timeline and "won" the war. He never stated that he killed all off the other Kangs. In fact, both Waldron and Herron (writer and director of Loki) reiterated that in interviews. Instead, he used the loom to protect himself from the other Kangs. If you haven't seen my "history of the multiverse" vid, you might check it out here: ua-cam.com/video/kS-v8GA4Wzc/v-deo.html. It's long, but it's broken into chapters and you could just watch the chapters about the multiversal war for more info on that.
@@AbitofEverything4U I just don't think they would make such a big point about the Multiverse now existing if it always had, it feels like it undermines Loki's final battle with Sylvie and the whole philosophical/moral arguments they had in season 2
I think when you lay it all out, it does make a lot of sense that the Multiverse has always been out there. Check out that longer video that I mentioned above and let me know what you think as I lay out all the evidence in detail there. Personally, I like the idea that universes like Blade’s have always been out there, because it seems kind of weird to me to think that the movie that started everything with its success back in 1998 was actually not created until over 20 years later when people stopped pruning in the TVA. I just think that’s a weird way to reframe movies like Blade, Spider-Man, and X-Men.
If 10005 is not connected to mcu's tree, then why would tva need to be concerned about it ? Does tva control only one universe or the entire Multiverse?
Great question! So I was really, really hoping the DP&W movie would answer that for us, but since it didn't, my assumption is that once the TVA was no longer inside the loom (and thus monitoring only the 616 universe and its branches) that it started to monitor the other universes across the entire multiverse. This was necessary, as they needed to keep track of any Kangs appearing across all universes. Paradox was assigned the task of monitoring 10005, which he considered to be a waste of time, which was why he wanted to kill it off with the time ripper and instead get assigned to a more prestigious universe like 616.
ikr? My only explanation is "Deadpool gonna Deadpool". I mean, he shot the crappy Deadpool, shot Ryan Reynolds, in a deleted scene almost killed Hilter, and got a chance to watch the Logan movie in theaters during No Good Deed. Throw in that She-Hulk broke through the D+ homepage to confront K.E.V.I.N. and it seems we have to basically accept that 4th wall breakers can do about anything.
also I already told you that the deleted scenes are canon ! Why don't you believe me ?! The only reason why they aren't included is cuz they mess with the pacing ! Like, remember the deleted scene where every1 kneed after Tony's death ? Well that's definitely in character for them and it fits in canon, but it wasn't included cuz you would have to listen to the real hero music 3 times (which I'm not opposed to, but some people might say it's too much)
I think some deleted scenes are canon, but as I mentioned earlier, some deleted scenes actually go against what we saw in the movie. So we have to take them one at a time and decide. And ultimately, it’s up to the director and/or Feige to say whether they’re canon or not.
@@AbitofEverything4U well, the only time that an extended/director cut isn't canon is the original alien movie cuz the theatrical version was longer. Ridley Scott said the studio forced him to make it and it was also rushed so he still considers the original version to be canon (this is relevant cuz Spiderman mentioned aliens in infinity war and Sony copied the xenomorph for venom 3 the last dance)
Oh, now that's a great point. You're right. I looked in the transcript and this line is in there: "That’s Kidpool, she’s the dirtiest." Okay, so ig Peter was just using the term "boys" in a general sense. But still, that's kinda confusing, tbh.
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Doesn’t the Muriel middle section look like the back middle section of the tarot cards from Agatha all along could this be a possible connection to both sectors of the mcu magic and multiverse
Or it could be just a mcu icon for time flowing up and down 🥰🥰
Are you doing a review of joker 2
Also did you hear that Jonathan major’s film magazine dreams will be coming out in many theaters in the early part of 2025 be distributed by briarcliff
And his other film Merciless is a supernatural revenge thriller film starring Jonathan Majors as a CIA interrogator seeking revenge it reminds me of when he was in LoveCraft country on hbo he’s very good at working in supernatural plots and story’s
that is being directed and made by Martin Villeneuve, the younger brother of Dune filmmaker Denis Villeneuve
It’s gonna start filming any day now and be released by the end of 2025 so 2 films in a year looks like his star is back on the rise
Maybe a possible kang return I know Disney thinks making Robert Downey jr evil doom is gonna bring back the fans but I’ve seen and heard that so many people didn’t really like this decision at all so here’s hoping 🥰🥰
But aren’t Deadpool and Wolverine back in Deadpool’s original universe/ timeline/tree so there still not in or apart of the sacred 616 so how moving forward would they be added into the 616 that was always what was confusing to me it’s like ok there safe yet there still not in or apart of the 616
@@MotherAlsaud That's awesome that you noticed that, too. That is indeed the exact same symbol on the back of the card!
Your deadpool and wolverine videos were my favourite over the summer. I now have an excuse to not do my french homework for 14 minutes
Thanks! Those vids were so much fun to put together. What a great movie. And I took French in high school myself. I do remember being told "ferme la bouche, si vous plait" by my teacher many times. lol. Yeah, no surprise that I talked too much!
I was Wade-ing for this!
Nicely done!
gross! hope you cleaned up after yourself 🤢😏
5:48 On the official Marvel Website there is an article where Micheal straight up says there are are multiple multiverses while talking about Loki S1.
Oh really? That’s awesome if so. Do you know the link to the article by chance?
1:58 - I’m sure somebody else has brought it up, but that mural IS Loki’s tree, just viewed sideways/horizontally instead of vertically. It’s not the loom because the loom didn’t branch at both ends, it existed to weave raw time into the singular “sacred timeline” thread.
Yeah, that would make sense if it was a sideways tree. Odd that they would illustrate it sideways, but I agree, that makes alot more sense. Nice call!
And if u notice , that is one of the Symbol design of TVA , u can see tht symbol all around in Loki S1 , I think it's showing Loki's tree which is 616 and TVA symbol on it meaning TVA is Protecting 616 universe
Right, that would tie in with the earlier TVA symbol very nicely!
Nice to see that you talk about these scenes. I do like watching deleted scenes, I think they add a tiny bit of context to the overall story (especially that first one). Also can't wait for your timeline update!
I agree...it's fun to see what was filmed but ultimately cut from the movie. Gives us abit more insight into what the director and writers were thinking!
Paradox's comment about Wade not knowing about other universes would make sense if Wade's visit to Happy Hogan and all subsequent lines of dialogue referencing it were reshoots made after that scene was deleted.
If they were indeed added later, that version of Wade wouldn't know about the multiverse at that point of the film's development.
Great point!
I thought the same about the second scene, might be something they did either before the writers strike and then they figured that wasn't needed + the continuity errors.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237it's not continuity errors because he was using Cables computer to do all of that They said one charge but it's clear he used it multiple times
It’s still so wild to me to think that Deadpool visited 616 to try to be part of the avengers. Crazy stuff!
Do Nothing: I mean... his name IS Paradox... lol
Great point...dude is a living embodiment of "do nothing"!
Aww man I wanted to watch Moongirl and Devil Dinosaur because I only have 3 episodes left but now I have to watch this video first..
3 episodes of season 1 I meant
That's awesome that you are watching Moongirl & DD. Such a fun show!
@@AbitofEverything4Uonly because of you! But I'm loving it!
That’s great to hear. Really glad you’re loving it!
Mobius did ask B15 to keep the murals from HWR running the TVA so that they learn from the past and I wouldn't be surprised if Paradox kept those for his division since he's a bit more set on the old ways.
I also would love if any Marvel project would release a straight to video re-releases to alter some details to make it more accurate like Abomination design in Incredible Hulk to make it more obvious that he would turn into his current form and more importantly to Add in Canon deleted scenes
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Good point about learning from the past via the murals. I agree, that makes alot of sense. And yeah, would be cool if Marvel pulled a George Lucas and altered some of their older stuff to make it better fit current canon. But ofc, many people are still mad at Lucas for doing that, so ig it could be a dangerous thing to do?
Great video once again! And dang this is making me want you to make a video or videos about all of the MCU deleted scenes and how they could effect things if they were canon and breaking them down.
That’s an interesting idea… Yeah, it’s always fun to see how the deleted scenes would’ve changed things if they’ve been included in the movie.
I honestly think the continuity issues are a reflection of the shooting delay due to the actors' strike, which is how the leaks came in and they probably rewrote and reshot a bunch of footage. If not for that, the movie could've been quite different.
Good point...I could totally see the strike being the reason the deleted scene doesn't quite fit.
Uff I would love to see those scenes in the movie, but that's my selfishness for more TVA lore 😂 I just love it so much, but I'm so glad that B15 found love 🥹. Great video I love your D&W breakdowns I'm glad that we have more content, we will see if it's canon
Yeah, I am kind of bummed we didn’t get some of those scenes in the movie. Especially the elevator scene would’ve been great!
More intersting is that behind the scenes footage reveal that Affleck's Daredevil, Cage's Ghost Rider and Hasselhoff's Nick Fury were originally supposed to be in the film but were cut from some reason
Oh, wow...I hadn't heard they actually filmed footage with Affleck, Cage and Hasselhoff. I know there were pre-vis drawings created for some of the scenes (such as what Ghost Rider would look like), but I didn't realize they actually filmed stuff. Wild!
Hasselhoff was only a stand-in, not actually him, so that's probably what they were going for since they would go way beyond the budget, specially Affleck. Believe it or not, they're not cheap, at least a few million for each (except for Hasselhoff lol).
@@radrno7 doing it without Affleck set up such a great joke from Garner, Im glad he didn't make the final cut.
I just want Daredevil Affleck to appear in these movies But all of them are supposed to appear in Secret Wars
I agree… The joke about Affleck and Garner’s divorce was hilarious.
I genuinely curious on why the didn’t call in Nicolas cage to reprise ghost rider,this movie was a love letter to 2000scsuperhero movies he would have fit right at home,and from the movies he’s been doing he would have done it for nickel 😂
It was planned originally, so he will hopefully be in secret wars 🙏
his ghost rider version was featured in the concept arts
I wondered that as well. I am certain he'll be in Secret Wars, as they have to include him for that. I wonder if they just felt it was better to have the more grounded heroes rather than having Ghost Rider join them...but dang, would be great to see Ghost Rider and Blade together!
I guess it has to do with power levels. Now yeah, that Ghost Rider was never shown to be as powerful as the character from the comics, but they should have nerfed him to make Cassandra Nova work. I wonder more about Ben Affleck not returning, him and real life ex wife Jennifer Garner were on good terms, plus the dig they added was pretty funny but wrong for Elektra's character.
Yeah, I really hope we get Cage’s Ghost Rider for secret wars!
Huh, that first deleted scene's placement sounds interesting. I'm wondering if they deleted it because they decided to add Deadpool travelling to 616 and it therefore became redundant. And yeah I think its made clear that 616 and 10005 are very much separate. I think it's interesting to not the nose injury in that second scene, makes me wonder if either it was a previous injury or it just wasn't meant to be an injury and a mistake on their part. Okay that third scene is hilarious! Great video as always (didn't even realize this video had come out from you until now). I glanced at the thumbnail this morning but missed that it was your video.
That's a good theory about them filming the scene where DP goes to 616 at a later point and then realizing the elevator scene is now redundant. And yeah, that last deleted scene is hilarious. Any chance to get more Peterpool is a win in my book!
I wouldn't mind a slice of life-type webseries of Peter, Headpool and Kidpool. The comedic potential is right there. XD
Wouldn't that be great! I agree, I'd totally be down for that!
Thanks for the video, I had no idea about the last deleted scene it was funny though and I think there are multiple timelines but the MCU is a tree and the other ones are just those straight lines we saw at the end of season 1 of Loki
Yeah, that last scene was pretty funny. And I agree, the other universes are probably not shaped like trees, per se. I suspect the X-Men universe looks like a briar patch. lol!
I'd say in general, the relevance of deleted scenes depends entirely on WHY they were deleted. If it's because it conflicts with some change in the story during production, or the director or higher-ups at Marvel wanted to undo something that happened in it, then obviously we'd have to reject the information in it. But if it's like most deleted scenes that are deleted because they're not necessary for moving the story forward, or to cut down the running time, then those are still worth analyzing, even if we can't officially declare them canon, barring any official Marvel statements. So the deleted scene where Paradox explains the nature of the multiverse, while it totally supports your multiverse model, and I would lean heavily toward accepting it as further evidence to support it, we can't know for sure 100% if it was deleted because it wasn't needed, or because it was deemed too confusing to general audiences, or because it conflicted with future Marvel plans regarding the nature of the multiverse.
And the "do nothing" scene, like you pointed out, just contained redundant and unnecessary information, so that's likely why it was deleted. I'd say it was originally written to show the nature of Paradox's job in the TVA, but ultimately it turned out to better to save that reveal for later, to let the audience sympathize with Deadpool's lack of knowledge of what's going on.
One thing I'll say about Wade implying that he's seen certain movies, I'm not sure I believe the character in-universe has actually seen those movies. It's really tricky with 4th-wall-breakers, to understand what's actually happening to those characters within the story. It's like there's Wade the narrator and Wade the in-universe character. Every Deadpool movie is basically Wade the narrator telling the story to the audience, as he slips in and out of talking to the audience and showing what happened to Wade the in-universe character. And every time he makes a meta-reference to a real life actor or real life movie, that's just Wade the narrator making an inside joke to the audience, and not necessarily a reveal that Wade the in-universe character actually knows those things. I'm not even entirely convinced that Wade the in-universe character actually visited 616 and talked to Happy Hogan. But we'll just have to see if Marvel clears that up at some point.
Fantastic commentary on deleted scenes. I agree, it's so hard to know if they are canon or not. But either way, I do think they give us some insight into the thought process of the writers / directors. So for that reason, I was very happy to see that first scene.
And you also are right about the complexity of a 4th wall breaker. It seems Wade knows what the writers are thinking as he knows the movies do exist...and in the case of Logan he even passed by a theatre showing the movie. But it's hard to know if he literally watched those movies or not. Craziness!
Was looking forward to this video
Yeah, these are some pretty cool deleted scenes with some important lines!
I’m glad that last one was deleted, the idea that potentially all of the Deadpool Corps stayed in 10005 is kinda ridiculous. After all, they have their own peters to get back to
Good point… Can’t make those other Peterpools have to go through life all alone!
Peter's deleted scene would be an awesome mid-credits scene. I hope they make an extended edition.
I agree...that scene would be a perfect mid-credit scene!
Dogpool came through the portal himself.
That does indeed sound like a Dogpool thing to do!
Love deleted scenes
I agree… It’s always fun to see what originally had been intended to be in the movie, but for whatever reason had to be cut. It always gives a little insight into the mind of the director.
2:10 it's representing time and the timeline, it's symbolic.
Oh, now that makes sense. Great theory!
I think we can consider separate trees as absolutely canon at this point.
I totally agree!
07:55 I almost feel like that scene was made for Loki somehow. The lighting, the color choise for the shirt... Idk... In that case it wouldn't be so redundant since the movie would treat people like maybe they didn't watch Loki.
Yeah, that’s a very good point… If it had been earlier in the movie, it would’ve been a nice bridge for people that didn’t watch Loki.
The mural represents Time - the hourglass.
Right, that part of the mural all makes sense to me. I just can’t figure out what’s happening on the left and the right of the hourglass. Since it ended up not even showing up in the movie, I guess it doesn’t matter… But I’d still love to know what they were trying to represent with it
I wonder will Hugh Grant and Hugh Jackman make a film together? I know they are 8 year age gap between them, one is a British actor who is so dashing and the other one is an Australian actor who resembles Clint Eastwood. Ryan Reynolds would definitely have a field day with Hugh Grant and Hugh Jackman.
That would be sweet...dueling Hughs!
I'm actually really upset that they left that first scene out. My biggest criticism of the movie was its confusing multiverse logic compared to the rest of the nultiverse central projects, because it seemed like it contracicted a lot of it, but that scene alone would have made it a lot better.
I agree… That first scene really would’ve been helpful to have been in the movie. It kind of eased us into some of the bigger discussions ahead and it really framed things nicely.
Are these included in the dvd special features?! Cant wait to get mine
That’s my guess, as the DVD normally includes everything that is released on digital. Have a great time watching it when it arrives!
Fun video.
I don't think Marvel Studios has a planned multiverse 'model'. The way characters (Paradox) talk is vague at best - I don't think he's necessarily implying Wade's 'universe' is unconnected to the Loki's tree, because the TVA's job at the end of season 2 was to monitor those branches.
So I've always interpreted it as a universe = a timeline. There doesn't seem to be a distinction between how they use the terms.
i.e. I think the 'sacred' timeline (616) is the 'original' universe/timeline from which all other alternative universes/timelines emerge from. Which only start occurring as a result of Loki season 1 and 2.
Meaning I think Wade's 'universe'/'timeline' (which ever term you prefer) is a branch off the sacred timeline.
Yeah, at this point Marvel has yet to show us what the multiverse looks like from afar, other than ofc Loki's tree. So I think it's a valid theory to assume every universe sprouted from that tree. But I think Marvel has given us lots of hints that the other universes (such as 10005) are not connected to the tree. They refer to them as "stacked" or "parallel" or not "anchored", etc. But hopefully the Fantastic Four movie will give us a definitive answer. Fingers crossed!
Ok you've went deeper than anyone else on this movie Good work Anything
Personally i dont think the TVA should have been included and that whole Anchor being thing is how DC works not Marvel those are my only two gripes with the movie everything else was fine That mural was creepy tho 😖
Yeah, the anchor being stuff was really confusing to me. I didn't mind the TVA as much, but I think they should have explained their new role alot better. And yeah, that mural was creepy!
Could it be that the Elevator Ride was seen as telling everyone information that they already knew, not just within the audience, but the movie, too? Even though it makes no sense how Cable's device brought Wade to the Sacred Timeline, maybe that scene was actually created as part of a restructuring of Wade's identity crisis, and so then you don't need the Elevator Ride anymore because it's just exposition that we had already seen, and it didn't make sense to tell the audience what they'd been shown.
Do Nothing is definitely odd. It's possible that could have been shot during the writer's strike and before the actor's strike. Once everyone was back, I'm sure changes were made to the movie that made everything else work a lot better. That's why I mentioned the whole thing about Wade's identity crisis, maybe there was an entirely different reason for that instead of being rejected by the Happy Hogan, and then breaking up with Vanessa. Maybe it was still a breakup with Vanessa, but he gave up on being Deadpool to try and be around more for her in the hopes of starting a family, but then he was no longer happy, making everything else not work. That has nothing to do with the scene between Paradox and B-15, but this movie was made during a very weird period of time in Hollywood, so any number of reasons could result in these deleted scenes.
And the same could be said for Daddy's in Love, although that seems like it might have been much later. It's probably just to help wrap the movie up quicker. It's not that it isn't fun having more of Peter and B-15, but adding the scene probably broke the flow as well as taking away the main focus of the movie. I don't recall there being a mid-credit scene though, it could have worked there, but again, it's not really relevant, and it's not as funny as the true post credit scene with Johnny Storm saying everything Deadpool said he did.
Well said on all counts...I agree, the scenes were fun, but ultimately didn't add to the movie. It was probably a smart move for Reynolds to remove them.
Could you make a chronological timeline of the MCU, including Runaways, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and one-shots? It would be great if you could make it as simple as possible. I mean, inside and outside of the MCU, if you know what I mean.
Good question. So I do have timelines PDF documents on my googledrive for each of the different shows, but I don't have an image that includes them in a timeline with the MCU, since Marvel has yet to confirm if they are part of the sacred timeline. However, my googlesheet does have all of the shows interwoven with the MCU. So you can check that out if you want to see where everything fits together.
I've never seen the 3rd deleted scene 😭 that's cute. And eh I take it as peter doesn't know it's a girl underneath or as deadpools sometimes are, gender neutral and some kids don't care in general if they get called whatever. Part of me does wish they added that because I do wonder what happened with Peter n the deadpools after. I also wonder if they went back to the void or wherever. I mean like gambit , blade etc I guess we will see them again however I'm still curious
Yeah, I'm curious where everyone went as well. Seems we're seeing more and more of them appearing with the release of each new scene. We got the Gambit scene showing someone save him and now we see Headpool and Kidpool with Peter. Hope we have a big reunion soon!
Hey, would you be interested in doing a video on whether you think the MCU is in the same multiverse as the comics universe? There is a connection to the Loki series in the latest Deadpool Samurai and it looks as though we are now getting TVA and Kahori comics that connect to the comics universe. Also, Across the Spider-Verse shows images from the comics universe, and we know that this film is connected to the MCU.
Love the videos btw!
Interesting...I kinda hope the MCU and the comics aren't connected, as there would be alot of contradictions to have to resolve. But I do think isolated comics are connected. X-Men 97 had tie-in comics and some of the early MCU comics are considered canon. I'm really interested in the new TVA and Kahori comics to see what we learn from them. So yeah, a video on this topic is a very good suggestion!
I feel like ladypoool and cowboypool could still be on wades earth and it would be awesome to see them come back and have Blake physically play ladypool and mcconaughey physically play cowboypool
Yeah, it would be epic to see those two again. The door is left wide open for it, based on that deleted scene!
@@AbitofEverything4U and plus the movie never said what happened to the Deadpool corps no way the tva could send hundreds of variants back to the void some of more well known members of the Deadpool corps could of slipped away from the tva and plus I think it would be hilarious to see Ryan and Blake physically interact with each other on screen together as Deadpool and ladypool there could be a lot of jokes there to be made
I think that scene with Paradox and B-15 take place before or after Paradox talks to Pyro through phone call...
That’s an interesting thought… If by “resources” paradox didn’t mean that he needed to reset charges, but that he meant he needed more TVA agents, then maybe I could see it fitting there. It’s still just weird for him to be having such a casual conversation with B-15 that late in the movie. But it definitely would have shown his desperation and wanting to be able to fight off Deadpool in case he were to return from the void.
@@AbitofEverything4U I mean, when he's talking to Pyro, he wears that green shirt, still has broken nose. Before or after that, that's for sure.
Right...I think you nailed the timing perfectly. But it's just so weird that he would be calmly talking to B-15 after he got his nose broken by Deadpool and pruned him which goes against the wishes of his superiors. In context, it just makes no sense, imo. So in the end, I'm glad they removed it.
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I'm sure there were many more deleted scenes at the end of the day, maybe some will appear on DVD in late October?
By the way, I still don't understand why they didn't take this good chance to weave more characters from the LOKI series into this, while explaining what happened to Earth 838 after Wanda's attack. There were plenty of opportunities here, given that this was a movie about the multiverse, with Deadpool in the background. So many wasted opportunities to explain multiple plots, in addition to zero, but that's ZERO mention of Loki?
I'm kind of feeling like the only reason they cut the elevator ride was because Paradox is explaining something to Wade that he already knows: the existence of the multiverse. And we already established that he knows it. And in the movie itself,Paradox knows that that Deadpool is being abusive of his timeline. Sometimes you have to have dialogue like this to bring the audience up to speed but they realized that with the flow of the story they now have, the audience already have that information. If I had to guess, I would say that maybe the editing and rewriting changed the order in which this information would have been presented. For instance, maybe originally the story started with him in the TVA and then showed the North Dakota thing. But then they realized it was a stronger opening to go to Logan's grave first. Which actually fit the motif of the other two Deadpool movies which also start in media res. There's really no way to know. I LOVE the opening. The title sequence alone is worth the price of admission and the exposition coming later,I'm fine with that. So if that is how it went down, I totally understand!
I agree...that may be why they cut the elevator scene. It didn't really add anything new and just added more talking to the movie, when it had more of an impact to jump right to the scene in the main HQ of the TVA.
Weird thing is... Peter was married in Deadpool 2. Did he get divorced? Was his wife's name Laura, and "the Laura thing" was B-15 pruning his marriage from the timeline so he could be single? Ryan Reynolds co-wrote both Deadpool 2 and Deadpool and Wolverine and he's not a sloppy writer, so I don't think Peter's marriage would've gotten dropped like that for a quick joke without being set up earlier. Was the whole midlife crisis genital piercing joke the set up for it, then? I'm so confused.
Interesting...I think I forgot Peter was married in DP 2. When was that mentioned? ig that he could have been divorced in the 6 years between DP 2 and DP&W.
@@AbitofEverything4U IIRC, he mentions his wife told him he needed a hobby and that’s why he tried out for X-Force. Or it could’ve been on the Peter W. Twitter account made to tie into the film.
Assuming the TVA prune the Deadpool Corps home then there probably wouldn't be an incursion issue with them being relocated to 10005
Very true...so they may all be hanging out in 10005. That would be hilarious!
We don't know if they are following the rules for incursions from the comics yet so we can't really know
It is kind of wild to think that the only time incursions have been brought up is during Multiverse of madness and briefly during quantumania. I suspect we learn a lot more during the fantastic four movie.
Alright I’m confused lol Have you been suggesting that multiple Loki’s have been finding their way to their vibranium thrones in separate multiverses? And 616 Loki was the only one whose story was chronicled in Loki the show? And that Deadpool’s superpower is that he can see and watch different timelines of the same multiverse but not in different multiverses? I’m confused because of the implications not related to this video. Like are there multiple Earth 616s or every multiverse has an earth and it’s designated as different numbers (i.e. Fox-verse’s earth is 10005 and MCU’s earth is 616)? Btw I love your graphs of the multiversal designs. They’re quite helpful…but I’m still confused lol
Great questions! So, if you've never seen my "History of the Multiverse" video, you might check it out. It's long, but it's broken into chapters. You can find it here, if interested: ua-cam.com/video/kS-v8GA4Wzc/v-deo.html.
But in answer to your questions. There is only one 616 and that's the universe where Loki sat on the thrown and created his tree. The other universes are probably not shaped like trees, as only 616 has been formed like that. The other universes are likely just a messy looking briar patch with lines going everywhere.
As for how Deadpool jumped from 10005 to 616 for that interview with Happy, I can only explain it as "Deadpool does as Deadpool wants". I mean, in Deadpool 2, he killed the crappy Deadpool from X-Men Origins: Wolverine and also killed Ryan Reynolds before he became Green Lantern. And he watched the Logan movie in the Deadpool short called "No good Deed" to learn about Logan's death. He's basically like She-Hulk, in that they can do some crazy stuff. She jumped out of the Disney+ interface to complain to K.E.V.I.N. about the plot. So 4th wall breakers can do some insane shenanigans.
Let me know if that helps. Happy to answer any questions that I can. And thanks for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!
You think I haven't seen "Doctor Ant in the Quantumverse of Madness" ?
Now I want to see it, too!
Well darn, the one deleted scene I wanted seems to be not included, which is the TVA agent that got pruned.
The others are fine, obviously scene 1 has a lot of value, scene 2 is pretty weird, and scene 3 is odd depending on the whole incursions thing.
Really though, I miss having lots of deleted scenes on DVDs, so I guess I'll take what they give us, but I really want to get the full context on that pruned guy.
I agree, I'm bummed we didn't get the delete scene of the pruned TVA guy. I'd love to see how that played out in the original scene.
its cool we just have deadpool and wolverine and than agatha and in the comics deadpool and death are lover
Yeah, there are some very cool stories that could be told about those two!
Quantumverse Mr.poole
ikr? Love how he butchered that!
Ah, yes, DP&W 3 deleted scenes did not make it to the final cut.
Nice work, my friend of DP&W video.
1. Elevator Ride, so that mural is definitely forming the Mexican cards of AG:AlAL video.
But it was deleted, I am big disappointed.
Also, how did Wade know of A-M and TW: QM, Dr. St: ATMUOMA (and the Multiverse of Madness), finally he had which of Logan, It's funny Wade know all of it.
The Elevator Ride is canon.
2. Daddy's in love, Peter and B-15 having a romantic moment, but they are having a kiss together.
So B-15 is leaving and Peter is ready for 2 deadpool variants for becoming a father.
He said "boys" instead of kids, so maybe Peter messed up the line.
Yeah, those were some really fun deleted scenes!
I'm all ears for DP&W more deleted scenes and, soon, the end of the mouth.
So, episode 5 is the beekeeper, I hope.
1 more thing: Can you do a breakdown video for VM:TLD, 17 days to go.
Wade visits 616 after coming into contact with the TVA though, no?
Good question! So the opening scene of the movie is out of order. The real first scene of the movie is from 2018 in Deadpool’s timeline after he’s used Cable’s device to save his friends and kill the crappy Deadpool at the end of Deadpool 2. It’s at that point that he uses the device to go visit 616. Then we jump six years later and that’s when the TVA shows up at his door and eventually leads to that opening scene at Wolverine’s grave.
@@AbitofEverything4U you’re totally right i can’t believe i forgot that! I’ve seen DP&W like 4/5 times now 😭😭
I also think the Peter scene would have made a far better post credits scene than the one they went with. In fact I think they should have done their more traditional two (one mid credits and one post credits). And I think in rewatches that is what I'm going to do. I will get to the end of the movies, play Daddy's in Love as the mid credits and the watch the actual post credits. I think this might even have been how it was designed to play out but they also wanted to do the during credits montage and they didn't want to overstuff the closing. Again I have no way of knowing that. Me, I don't need that closing montage because I wasn't a big fan of most of the Fox stuff so I'm probably going to skip that part in rewatches and do both post credits instead.
I agree...I think Daddy's in love would have made an excellent mid-credit scene!
3:05 When if they weren’t branched(I do think Fox it it’s own tree) paradox js just getting that Wade is annoying and doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things with it’s anchor being gone
3:40 I can’t help but feel paradox ISN’T Lying or least in thjs moment he is Kevin feige’s mouth of “THE MCU IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTER” which is obviously ironic for a number of reasons but that’s a whole different discussion
6:30 hard to say what will stick in terms of canon for the mcu but for the time being it all checks out
7:10 F I believe we were supposed to cut to paradox trying to cover himself at the tva and that as a side plot could work in a show or comics but for a movie it can drag. I can see how it’s cut.
9:02 I think originally that deleted scene was probably only for a different cut of the film and maybe it’s just me but this also undermines when B-15 actually shows up and is surprised as Time ripper was there.
9:15 Also something you don’t show but new rockstars pointed is but when Paradox says that last line there is weird close up of Matthew Macfadyen in an probably green screen set recreation that was probably made after Loki season 2.
12:14 Woah. Intriguing B-15 mentions “we don’t talk about that” so was NOT supposed to bring back Laura as her timeline was pruned?
Great feedback on the vid. Yeah, I was surprised by the "we don't talk about that" line. Wonder if B-15 broke a few rules!
I'd say deleted scenes can be canon but either within identical "trees" (e.g. 10006,10004) or a group of branches around each other in the trunk 😂😂 i just thought o that just now
Very good usage of the tree analogy! 😂
Also, did anyone ever find out which TVA agent was played by Rob McElhenney?
I am so bummed that one of the deleted scenes wasn't about Rob McElhanney's TVA agent. I'd love to see what happened to him!
I still want to know how the TVA can now overlook the multiversal forest... when before they were only surveying 616.
Great question! So my theory is that once they were no longer inside the protection of the loom, they were then able to see the entire multiverse via their tech and they set up divisions to monitor each universe. Paradox wasn't happy with his assignment and wanted instead to destroy 10005 and get a better assignment.
@@AbitofEverything4U Ahh yes that actually makes a lot of sense
Yeah, I do like the idea of the TVA Looking over the entire Multiverse. Gonna be really interesting to see how things continue to play out as we head towards secret wars!
@@AbitofEverything4U Absolutely. I'm also curious how they're going to address the whole Kang situation.
Me, too. Hopefully Kang's story will get a satisfying resolution in Avengers 5. Maybe Doom steals his tech and kills the council. That would be cool!
1. What exactly was the role of victor timely ? Why did hwr abducted him & put him into Sacred Timeline ?
2. Did Renslayer duplicated herself when she gave victor timely the book of tva ?
3. What happened to victor timely after the finale?
Great questions! I really did want to know abit more about Victor. But since they didn't directly answer you questions in the series itself, the most we can do is theorize. So, here are my thoughts:
1. I think Victor was a "sleeper agent" that He Who Remains (HWR) placed in the sacred timeline to be "activated" if Loki were to fail to take over as the new ruler of the TVA, which of course ended up happening when Sylvie sent Loki away and killed HWR at the end of season 1.
2. I don't think Renslayer duplicated herself, as she was able to use the time door to travel into the sacred timeline and "activate" Victor, which then created a branch in the timeline.
3. I think Victor is working with the TVA and in fact, the new version of the TVA handbook listed both Victor and OB as the authors.
7:15 I assume Deadpool is one of them.
11:52 Nicepool does confirm that Kidpool is a girl when he makes a comment on her profanity, "That's Kidpool. She's the dirtiest."
Oh yeah, that’s right. I forgot that Nicepool said that. Yeah that is really weird that Peterpool called them boys.
@@AbitofEverything4UPeter might not know kidpool is a girl
I don't think the multiple universes are separate from Loki because of one simple reason. He Who Remains spent the entire time up until Loki took over and sacrificed himself to become the God of Stories preventing other universes existing so that no variant of himself has the opportunity to restart the multiversal war. If we assume Earth-10005, 96283 (Raimiverse), 120703 (TASM) etc. are separate from He Who Remains' loom then why didn't Raimi Kang, TASM Kang, FoX-Men Kang or Paint Kang try to kill He Who Remains. (Just because they didn't exist in the original plans doesn't Marvel couldn't retcon them in) They made a point that all the other Kang variants only reappeared after his death.
Great questions! So the key in Loki season 1 is that HWR said he "isolated" the sacred timeline and "won" the war. He never stated that he killed all off the other Kangs. In fact, both Waldron and Herron (writer and director of Loki) reiterated that in interviews. Instead, he used the loom to protect himself from the other Kangs.
If you haven't seen my "history of the multiverse" vid, you might check it out here: ua-cam.com/video/kS-v8GA4Wzc/v-deo.html. It's long, but it's broken into chapters and you could just watch the chapters about the multiversal war for more info on that.
We're still not confirmed if he is God of Stories Loki yet
@@AbitofEverything4U I just don't think they would make such a big point about the Multiverse now existing if it always had, it feels like it undermines Loki's final battle with Sylvie and the whole philosophical/moral arguments they had in season 2
I think when you lay it all out, it does make a lot of sense that the Multiverse has always been out there. Check out that longer video that I mentioned above and let me know what you think as I lay out all the evidence in detail there.
Personally, I like the idea that universes like Blade’s have always been out there, because it seems kind of weird to me to think that the movie that started everything with its success back in 1998 was actually not created until over 20 years later when people stopped pruning in the TVA. I just think that’s a weird way to reframe movies like Blade, Spider-Man, and X-Men.
What with these hidden details?
That is indeed the question of the hour!
If 10005 is not connected to mcu's tree, then why would tva need to be concerned about it ? Does tva control only one universe or the entire Multiverse?
Great question! So I was really, really hoping the DP&W movie would answer that for us, but since it didn't, my assumption is that once the TVA was no longer inside the loom (and thus monitoring only the 616 universe and its branches) that it started to monitor the other universes across the entire multiverse. This was necessary, as they needed to keep track of any Kangs appearing across all universes. Paradox was assigned the task of monitoring 10005, which he considered to be a waste of time, which was why he wanted to kill it off with the time ripper and instead get assigned to a more prestigious universe like 616.
I’m still confused as to how dp went to 616
ikr? My only explanation is "Deadpool gonna Deadpool". I mean, he shot the crappy Deadpool, shot Ryan Reynolds, in a deleted scene almost killed Hilter, and got a chance to watch the Logan movie in theaters during No Good Deed. Throw in that She-Hulk broke through the D+ homepage to confront K.E.V.I.N. and it seems we have to basically accept that 4th wall breakers can do about anything.
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Some1 should make a super cut with all these deleted scenes (except for the 2nd deleted scene cuz it doesn't fit)
I agree...a super cut would be sweet!
also I already told you that the deleted scenes are canon ! Why don't you believe me ?!
The only reason why they aren't included is cuz they mess with the pacing !
Like, remember the deleted scene where every1 kneed after Tony's death ?
Well that's definitely in character for them and it fits in canon, but it wasn't included cuz you would have to listen to the real hero music 3 times (which I'm not opposed to, but some people might say it's too much)
I think some deleted scenes are canon, but as I mentioned earlier, some deleted scenes actually go against what we saw in the movie. So we have to take them one at a time and decide. And ultimately, it’s up to the director and/or Feige to say whether they’re canon or not.
@@AbitofEverything4U well, the only time that an extended/director cut isn't canon is the original alien movie cuz the theatrical version was longer.
Ridley Scott said the studio forced him to make it and it was also rushed so he still considers the original version to be canon (this is relevant cuz Spiderman mentioned aliens in infinity war and Sony copied the xenomorph for venom 3 the last dance)
I still think we need confirmation from Feige on whether something is canon or not. But just my opinion.
Pretty sure Nicepool referred to Kidpool as a "she" in the movie.
Oh, now that's a great point. You're right. I looked in the transcript and this line is in there: "That’s Kidpool, she’s the dirtiest." Okay, so ig Peter was just using the term "boys" in a general sense. But still, that's kinda confusing, tbh.
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I’m glad all these were cut. The jokes was lame and too long winded
Yeah, I agree...the scenes didn't add alot to the movie.
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