John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3 | Lex Fridman Podcast
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- John Mearsheimer is an international relations scholar at University of Chicago. He is one of the most influential and controversial thinkers in the world on the topics of war and power.
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42:09 - Russia and Ukraine
1:38:22 - Israel and Palestine
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3:21:34 - Life and mortality
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1:29 - Power
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42:09 - Russia and Ukraine
1:38:22 - Israel and Palestine
2:39:13 - China
3:21:34 - Life and mortality
Thanks man as always
Thanks Lex!
Hey Lex, very interesting guest. But I was wondering if you'd ever do something similar like Todd Howard or John Carmack again? John Romero, Sandy Petersen and American McGee would all make great guests.
As an IT guy and (old school) gamer, I'd be very interested in hearing from guys like that.
Or Richard Garriott, Ed Boon, Chris Avellone, Ken Levine, Ray Muzyka, Greg Zeschuk, Warren Spector, Sid Meier, ...
Or some of the Japanese guys if language makes it possible like Shinji Mikami, Suda51, Hideo Kojima, Yu Suzuki, Toshihiro Nagoshi, ...
And of course Miyamoto-san himself.
Lex ❤
where was your backbone? i didn't notice any.
Finally Lex has someone on in regards to foreign policy who isn’t a neocon. It’s about time, there’s so many other world views for foreign affairs that have been missed.
or a Zionist
Probably to gather intelligence on who agrees with him. People get pushed out of the media for having these thoughts, Norman Finkelstein was pushed out of his University, and now congresswoman Rashida Talib was censured. There really is no free exchange of ideas in the US. Look what happened to James Traficant and Cynthia McKinney. Everytime I see Netanyahu on TV I can't stop thinking of A Clean Break and all the US soldiers that were physically and psychologically harmed by the Iraq war. I have to keep telling myself there are plenty of people who oppose him.
@@scottkeller8890 neocons and neolibs are both zionist
Especially the Russian view.😢
@@scottkeller8890Man that was crazy "Hey let my find the most Pro-Isreal political advisor around to talk about Gaza" And only a couple of months after he went to the West Bank and talked to Palestinians face to face. That was straight up slimey
Loved this guys intellectual honesty. Instead of disagreeing outright, he will go "well, in order to make that argument, you have to argue for X". This kind of devils advocism is really important to honest discourse imo.
false, that is a strawman argument and you should not believe a single thing this old irrelevant man said.
Its not.devils argument.if.you lookong for TRUTH
@@simonsays735 cringe
@@googlecolab5408 TRUTH SHALL SET.YOU FREE MY.BROTHER
It's not devil's advocate. He's a disciplined scholar, not like you.
We are fortunate to benefit from John's ability to rationally deduce geopolitical happenings. Thank you gentlemen.
This is the highest resolution in which I saw Mearsheimer. Plus, awesome audio quality. I thank your staff for both!
I thought the same thing! It's great to hear Mearsheimer through a good condenser mic :)
He has leftist audio 😅
" …if that’s your definition of antisemitism, it’s taken an important term and stretched it to the point where it’s meaningless “ . That’s a great way to put how Israel and the US government is using the term
YOURE AN ANTI SEMITE
one of Israels greatest achievements is conflating any criticism of the state with criticism of the Jewish people at large and selling that notion successfully to the world since its inception... from a marketing standpoint its shear genius while simultaneously being utterly callus in its implementation..
Although I'd agree that the meaning of antisemitism has been stretched, nonetheless unqualified support for the Palestinian cause including groups like Hamas that requires the extermination of Jews is indeed anti-Semetic, advocates genocide and reprehensible. I'd recommend that people be careful who they support... It's possible to believe you're supporting a just cause but carelessly ally with someone who advocates or purposely does barbaric and inhumane acts. Do you or others really believe in inhumane acts on others and justify it in any way?
Lets not get the facts too twisted here for the longest time right up until this latest attack the Israeli State apparatus saw Hamas as an effective tool in the prevention of a Two state solution something they themselves were also utterly opposed to behind closed doors
Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.
According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
to follow your own logic this tacit support by the Israeli government of Hamas makes them inherently antisemitic.....
@@tonysu8860
Yea because Palestinian and Hamas don’t want to kill Jews ? You have no clue
Please bring back John Mearsheimer for another four hours IMMEDIATELY! Wow you two, I can't express in words how much I loved this conversation, and am eternally grateful for expanding my perspective on so many things!
What a legend - so many people would have read Mearsheimer in university and it's great to hear from him in a long format interview.
college is way to expensive to waste ANY of it on Russian Propaganda.
I haven't even fancied some educational institutions study the literature of freaks and clowns.
I haven't even fancied some educational institutions study the literature of freaks and clowns.
@@alexchristensen9712 there isn't propaganda. It's history but I get it Americans are really uneducated 🤣
This is the first person on earth who drew attention to the fact that the German army committed genocide against Soviet citizens. As a result, more Slavs suffered than Jews. I have always talked about this and will continue to talk about it
Not being hateful about it but the jews just crys loudest about it. And in international courts
Good 👍🏻
The Jews suffered in the hands of hitler they did not cry out loud they really was crying please don’t talk bad about dead people.
It might be relevant to know that Mearsheimer receives funding from the Valdai Club, a Kremlin "think tank". For me that explains a lot about his views/comments on the Russo-Ukrainian conflict. Just saying
#DanieleGanser about different fear
Mearsheimer owes me a full night's sleep--which I lost as a result of listening to this interview into the morning. Worth every minute. It's funny how you can forget what it's like to listen to or read a thinker who has knowledge, wisdom and the rare ability to communicate clearly.
He’s a “rockstar” in IR
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I'm stuck, it's 23:49, still got 3hours to through, can't stop 😢
Westetn liberal demicracies were the drivers of all conflict post-cold war. African countries are still trying to extracate themselves. Institutions of state in the West are all money controlled. Power pyramid is ultimate goal, as financial net can spread endesly. Once the expansion slows down, or countries become imune to penetration, the pyramid implodes. It is kept inflated by generating a trillion every hundred days. The theory of democracy in the conditions of hyper-financialization, does not hold water. At present, testing Russia and China, as small pray is no longer sufficient. The hope lies in internal reforms that eliminates or balances the relations between financial and real economy. Nothing is hopeless. But itvwill take knowledge and determination.
it's only 3:26 long, if you listened into the morning you went to bed after 3 or something :D I think the problem lies there my friend
Кто этот великий переводчик, который перевел разговор на русский? Спасибо Вам, добрый человек!!!
Thank you for also putting in all the data and news articles whenever he brought up a point.
И я люблю вас всех.Очень люблю
умных и образованных людей.Спасибо вам за глубокий об
--зор сегодняшней
обстановки в мире
.❤Спасибо за вашу лекцию.❤
You are a hero for using your platform to encourage love and truth. Most people in this world don't have the balls.
In 2004, I was stationed in Tashkent and was watching a television program of a Russian news anchor interviewing a German journalist about the American election coming up. They both lamented that Americans were too stupid to vote for the most powerful man in the world. “The average American does not understand what’s going on in the world and they don’t even care to try and understand. They only worry about themselves.” This apathy, coupled with bad diplomatic and economic policy creates heartache all over the world. I fear they were right. Videos like this one should have millions of views and likes by now. Press on Lex. You are doing an important service to your adopted country.
I mean...every voters of every country doesn't have the capacity to also worry about the world. Taxpayers focus on themselves.
when it comes down to the problems outward with the world or the problems inward with you and your family…its an easy way to decide to be selfish, a dog eat dog world.
Bulllshiittt, they only have two options democrat or republican
So it doesn't matter
Just focus on ur and urs family's life and live life
Rather than worrying about all these issues around the world that u have no power to solve
It's that simple
It's just the news channels and UA-cam channels that want ur attention and they find ways to convince u to watch
Remember too many really smart people are working day and night just to waste your time by grabbing ur attention
Ur attention is ur time and ur time is ur life
So u r giving away ur life by consuming all these useless issues (They are of no use for u and ur family)
The Americans don't understand that the choosing democrats or republicans ate the same, these people don't represent their interest. 😂😂
@@andrewlim7751
Where do you live? Heaven? Your leaders don't represent you too.
Can we have a discussion about central banks, the Fed's etc involvement in world affairs since 1913?
Make your case & present your evidence/sources. You can talk about anything.
Learnt something today from John Mearsheimer: The Hubris/Humility index!!! 😂😂😂
This was a great conversation, Lex; enjoyed it! 👍🏽
Lex, I'm continually impressed with your ability to have belief in humanity and the way you conduct yourself in these discussions. You are definitely one of a kind. Having people of exactly opposite views without you showing preference and bias is really applaudable.
youre joking right? or are you also jewish? Check the Ye interview out for reference
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@@nordics834why would the way Kenya acts reflect Lex at all? He literally said in this video he talks to people from all walks of life.
It is not opposite view. It is just Putin lie and propaganda. steal, murder and blame it on US.
100% agree, its very difficult to communicate with people of all kinds of backgrounds, he does a very good job of that
People don't want to hear different opinion, they just want to listen someone else confirming their own opinion. Freedom of speech is hard. Thank you Lex for your sacrifice to freedom of speech. You bring hope, love and opportunity to grow to all people who listen to you. At the same time, I am worried about you. After having this brave professor as your guest, I wouldn't be surprised if they cancel you. I love you, you beautiful human, you are not alone. In collective unconscious we are all one.
Your very first sentence is exactly the weakness in democracy... how can democracy be optimal if the majority of voters are uninformed and incapable of making a good decision... if the majority is flawed then the result of the popular vote will only mirror the flaws of society.
@@Writeous0ne This isnt new info, this is the exact reason the founding fathers made us a constitutional republic.
Just curious, why do you think his views could be considered controversial? The things he was saying were pretty much on point with how I’ve always viewed things. Maybe the only small exception is I guess I would be considered, in his terms, a human nature realist. He kept saying ‘the system’ but what system? If he’s referring to the tribalism of having individual countries to me that’s still human nature.
Your point about different opinions is well taken, taidasun. I attempt to consume a balanced diet of opposing views and avoid living in an echo chamber. There are, however, a few holes in Professor Mearsheimer's reasoning and assessments. Plenty of food for thought.
Oh no its nothing to do with "different opinion". This old man is just ignorant and delusional.
He knows about Russia hmmm almost nothing pressing that Russia is like united states but on the other side of the planet.
Im telling you this as russian who live his whole life in moscow
I love how lex has a soft voice and remains totally calm, allows the hosts to talk without interruption and asks great questions 💗 just like Nima alkorshid and Danny boy hiaphong, I love youze guys ❤🎉
The fact that this podcast has so many views gives me hope
As someone whose main focus is on power dynamics and how power enforces the currents of life, John Mearsheimer is really interesting to listen to. He has a unique style when approaching such subjects, with an unapologetic attitude that helps get his point across.
Any more good speakers that come to mind in this context?
@@grinishkin Check out Henry Kissinger Interviews.
@@The_kahnx Thanks, in my short list
Eh not really. He claims to be a realist and views the world through power politics, and yet when asked about specific situations he just gives his personal political opinions.
He criticizes NATO expansion and Isreal’s brutality, yet he sounds so perfectly justified when talking about containing China and disallowing China to reunify.
I like Lex Fridman, but he is way too nice to give any pushback, when needed.
Here is where Mearsheimer is wrong, in my opinion, about Russia, Putin and the world:
1) His theory sees the world way too simplistically, as from a point in the sky, looking down on the world. His books talks about countries as 'billiard' balls on a table, bumping into eachother.
2) His theory implies, and he says it, that large countries will and should act aggressively no matter who is in charge. Not true. The personality of the regime or person in charge absolutely matters. Look at Hitler vs any other German leader after him. It matters that Putin is in charge, not Gorbachev. It matters if Trump, Bush or Carter is in charge. It absolutely matters.
3) Mearsheimer says that Putin had no intention to take over part of, or the whole of, Ukraine, and he dissolves Russia of any responsibility. Well, everything points to the opposite: Russian literally surrounded Kyiv, tried to take it over, destroyed whole cities with 100000+ inhabitants, bombed Lviv, Vinnytsia, Sumy, Mariopol, aggressively marched towards Odessa. Putin stood on a stadium stage, triumphantly telling the world how he is taking back Russias historical territory and that annexed Kherson, Zaporitzia, Donetsk and Luhansk will now be Russia forever. It is clearly an imperialistic war. In those territories a 'Russofication' process was rolled out, with a new pro-russian school curriculum, 10s of thousand tortured or 'dissappeared', 100s of thousand of children moved to Russia.
4) Putin has said in essays that Ukraine is not a “real” country, not a real people, not a real language, but part of Russia, and has compared himself to imperialist Peter the Great. But Mearsheimer weirdly and stubbornly refuses to believe that his actions are motivated by imperialism.
5) Mearsheimer is willfully ignorant of how Russian propaganda works. If Russia's spokesperson says that Russia is willing to negotiate (but the West is stopping them), and at the same time Russia is aggressively pushing forward all over the war-front, well, maybe draw the conclusion that you shouldn't take everything that Russia says at face value. Propaganda is a weapon.
6) Mearsheimer lies on purpose on numbers, to back up his theories. For example, he has repeatedly said that Ukraine has lost 2 or 3 times as many soldiers as Russia. This is demonstrably wrong. Any independent war expert will tell you that Russia has lost many more men, due to being on constantly on the offensive, and using human wave attacks etc.
Sorry, Mearsheimer, not good enough.
completely true, too many ppl listen to this clown
I agree. Mearsheimer is wrong and he intentionally supports agression and atrocity particularly, Putin's Russia. In addtiion to all written above by @oissen6539 Merasheimer didn't mentioned that Stalin supported Hitler's intention to start the war because this was the only way to enable the communism conquering the Europe and Stalin produced massive amount of tanks, planes and artilerry to start invasion to Europe. I believe Mearsheimer is one of the many university professors who puts terrorists and the only Near East democracy defending itself on the same scale misleading the young generation and encouraging the undermining of the very foundation of democracy - moral values.
Go debate him live couch expert
@@OldLeshy Yeah, well, very sad laughter, actually, since he's probably believing in all of what he's saying, like the stuff about 'Russofication' in Donetsk, Lugansk (what's next, 'Russofication' of Odessa conducted by the USSR?)
That is some serious pile of BS you have written. I would explain why that is the case, but it wouldn't be worth my time and effort knowing the comment will just get buried. Suffice to say that John is a scholar in the issue and you are not! Really loved the "Russian wave" and "independent experts" regarding the losses in Ukraine. Anybody with half a brain who has a basic understanding of how the world works, knows the losses are at least 1:3 (probably more) in favour of the Russians. Ukraine is toast, and I don't have to be a Russian to know this!
What about Crimea?
What about Ukraine’s trust Russia?
What about Russia’s affirmations not to expand?
He makes lots of sense but I can’t shake this feeling that his terrible one sided in his apologetics about Putin.
This leaves very bad aftertaste. He seems biased
He is just repeating Putlers narrative🤢
@@putte2164 exactly! Just listening to him I began feeling bad for mistreating of Mr.Putin.
Poor Vlad, we stepped on his ego. How dare we?!
And not a word about genocide Russia is doing in Ukraine.
Disgusting!
"Hubris is not a bad thing but at the same time you need humility" wow this was a powerful conservation...
Please bring Prof. Stephen Kotkin and Prof. John Mearsheimer to your podcast for a debate. I think it will be extremely informative and interesting two see opposing views (especially on the Russia-Ukraine front) collide!
This. ^ please this
It would be a fun debate indeed. Though, I doubt Kotkin would have much of a chance against Mearsheimer. Kotkin seems to argue that Russian politics has a long thread of autocratic rulers dominating the scene, which is true enough, but that has nothing to do whether or not NATO expansion into Ukraine presents an existential security dilemma to Russia. It does, that is undeniable. The length of the border would be cost prohibitive to defend. Furthermore, the ability of NATO to amass a first strike arsenal with sufficient capabilities to neutraliser Russia's second strike capacity, which would obviate their nuclear deterrent, would be a real possibility.
Based on that, it does not matter who was Russia's leader, anyone would respond by preventing NATO from checkmating them.
I was thinking the same thing during this entire interview. Mearsheimer makes some good points but I find he is a bit of an apologist in favour of Russia. Kotkin would have some good counter points here.
I’m just a nobody and have only a cursory understanding of Russian geopolitics, but I don’t see how NATO is a threat to Russia in terms of aggression. NATO is a defensive organization, and from what I can tell about its European members, they want no to do with a war, especially one of first strike into Russia of all places. If anyone is scared it’s Western Europe of Russia. I disagree with this guy on Putin as well…I think Putin is just a Russian Mob thug who wants more power…..I don’t think he’s dumb at all…but a mob thug nonetheless ….but what do I know….just kinda wanted to discuss and see what other people are thinking.
@@memeticist NATO is a defensive alliance. First Strike? It would never happen because ALL members must vote on it including Turkiy. NATO does not have a history of unprovokingly attacking its neighbors over the last 200 years. But there is one country in the region that does. That being said the US is a dangerous country, in fact you could argue they have been the most violent nation since WWII with military actions/presence in almost every country on the planet. However, there is an ENORMOUS difference between NATO and the US. Everyone in NATO has an equal vote.
Putin considers NATO an existential threat? Too bad; deal with it. I'm Canadian. I consider the US with their gun culture, China with their political interference in our elections, India who assassinated a Sikh activist on Canadian soil to be an existential threat. But what can we do about it? We have to live with it.
I gotta say... This has to be one of my very favorites. I could listen to this guy talk all day! Woke up to this playing and couldn't go back to sleep because it was so interesting. 3 hours later...
Mearsheimer is probably the foremost authority on foreign relations in the US, and he says that no one in the US government has ever asked his opinion or advice about anything.
Too bad he wants to maintain US hegemony in this world and is agaisnt a multi polar world. He wants the US to dominate China, as a chinese i can't accept that view. Wont happen anyway, The US is too weak, its a declining power.
@@juliensorel5535 While I agree with a lot of what Mearsheimer said it has to be pointed out that there were a few things he avoided any discussion of.
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1) During the HOLODOMOR (1931 - 1932) Russia starved 2 Million Ukrainians to death.
2) At no point in this article is MEARSHEIMER particularly critical of Putin. In fact he concistently describes Putin in a positive light.
3) Putin's actions protect Him and his Oligarch buddies at a huge cost to the Russian and Ukrainian people.
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MEARSHEIMER has a very selective blindness.
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@CBCPROPAGANDA 1) I don't think it is reasonable to expect him to discuss everything in every interview
2) Putin is the man who saved Russia from destruction by the West. It is not his job to save the world. I have read two biographies, both written by men who are opposed to him and to Russia, and I have great respect for him.
3) I don't think that you have read much of anything relating to the things you speak so knowingly about.
4) Do you actually expect people to give your views precedence over Mearsheimer's? If you do, you are completely delusional. How many books have you written on this topic?
@@juliensorel5535That's maybe because he parrots a lot of Russia's propaganda
Замечательный гость и беседа 🤜🤛
На английском языке, было немного сложно слушать, за то узнала много новых слов на английском.)
Отличный перевод на русский язык.
Благодарю всех причастных!
Absolutely love this way of listening to a person... I have learned so much by your conversations and am truly captivated by each of your guests. Sincerely grateful for all that you do!
Before I even watch this, let me say I appreciate you for having Prof. Mearsheimer. He is a legend and I'm always interested in what he has to say. Thank you Lex. Stay true to yourself.
He is the greatest- both Lex and Dr. M simply rule
He is not a legend, he is an old fool who promotes a dead concept of international relations.
Really? Love Lex for his openness but Prof M I always find profoundly disappointing. Half of what he says is OK but just Wikipedia level historical knowledge and when he lays out his realism perspective it is interesting but as soon as he applies it to current events he contradicts what he just said about realism. The rare times an interviewer calls out his obvious contradictions he gets flustered and brushes it off without answering.
@@WilkinsMichael Oh come on, man. Who are you to criticize someone like John Mearsheimer? You have no credentials. 5 subscribers and no uploads since 2009. Am I wrong? Did you go to West Point?
@@lukeasacher This is exactly the pathetic way of thinking that causes these disasters. You need to learn to think for yourself. If you think someone is right or wrong depending on their academic reputation or number of UA-cam followers (LOL!) you are admitting that you are a total moron. It is the ideas, and facts crafted into arguments that are important. The more I watch and read Prof. M the more shocked I am people take him seriously. For example, in this video, he literally contradicts his own philosophy immediately after explaining it. He often makes things up and then dodges when confronted with the statements he just made.
I very much enjoyed this interview. Also, I appreciate Lex Fridman’s style of respecting his guest and letting them fully answer his questions. Another thing, Lex Fridman always seems to be prepared but can make room for the unexpected. Lex Fridman is a respectful, courteous, and professional interviewer. I think Lex Fridman may be a bit idealistic and maybe just a bit naive at times, but these are hardly threatening qualities and, as I said, show in small amounts.
Dr. Mearsheimer is brilliant and a trove of knowledge. I greatly enjoyed hearing his thoughts in this interview. I may have to read one of his books now.
@lexfridman Hello Mr. Friedmann. Thank you for this and other interviews you've already made. You're bringing more understanding and peace to this world with help of your guests. Is there going to be a german Version of it? Greetings from Germany😊
The images during the video are super! Really amazing your interviews! keep them coming
Очень круто что вы объединились с Юрием для этого выпуска, я отлично знаю английский язык, но очень приятно послушать выпуск на русском. Спасибо друг.
What do you think about the conflict? 🤔
Can I answer? I live in Russia and most of us look at this conflict as a confrontation between Russia and the collective West. Ukraine, in our opinion, plays the role of a striking fist. We in Russia (the absolute majority) consider Ukrainians to be a fraternal people, just like Belarusians. Brotherly but deceived people. Over the past 30 years, Ukrainians have changed a lot, they have become different. They betrayed us and our common ancestors. Western Ukrainians and Bandera fans are to blame for this. They managed to spread their view of history, their values and concepts throughout Ukraine. It is sad. In general, people in Russia do not hate Ukrainians, but we will fight with them. For the sake of the peaceful life of the residents of Donbass and Crimea who have not forgotten that they are Russians and have not betrayed the memory of their ancestors. This is short. Thank you.
@andrarak7383 as a Russian I'm agree
@@andrarak7383It's a very weird position to have in my opinion. Like, you could fight cultural subversion with culture, education, giving people the theoretical tools to make up their own minds - instead it's physical war. Thousands and thousands of young Ukrainians and Russians dying for a theoretical reason that is based on historical heritage. This arguement is so logically bad that it is insane because it's an arguement that could be used to start wars in almost every place in the world depending on how far back in history you want to go. It's incredibly horrible that people think this is a good reason to kill young people.
@@AB-nr5jeLet's see what happens to Mexico if it decides to join a military alliance.
Thank you both for this great conversation, I really enjoyed it. As a native Chinese, I found the argument from Prof. Mearsheimer of "we cannot let China dominant Asia as the way America dominat the west hemisphere" hard to agree with. I can understand it from a US hegemony perspective. But is a US uni-polar world better than a multi-polar world? I think we need to learn how to co-exist with each other.
You're right! Maybe they meant; We strongly criticise the way how USA dominate their continent and so don't want similar things to happen in other continents...
See, he is not talking about fairness there and he is open about as being an american he is for the US. He knows that that´s not a common right thing to think, but that´s his individual view.
But what he means by that is that the power of his country depends on being dominant worldwide. The US and all it´s allies would loose a lot of power to do the things they want to do, it would be a strategic loss which could lead to many negative outcomes, in terms of security, economics, dimplomatics....
As a german I could ask the question: why only China and the US? Why not Germany? And people in New Zealand may ask - why not us? We never did the horrific things, the US, China, Russia or Germany did.
It´s always unfair if one or two or three ... nations are more powerfull than all the others. But that´s the world we live in.
No country or culture is best in being the dominant player. But when you are, you don´t want to loose it, because loosing that always means, that the standards of this nations people loose many things, too.
Perhaps the answer to why "we cannot let China dominant Asia as the way America dominant the west hemisphere" is the same exact reason why YOU are using a VPN to comment on this video.
Plus, none of the other countries surrounding China seem to "want" to be "dominated" by China.
@@user-xp5id1kh4r Well coming from one of the countries surrounding China, I can assure you we do not "want" to be "dominated" by USA either. I think China from our perspective is the golden ticket for us. We have bet on the US for the past 75+ years and we have been screwed beyond repair.
John is basically stating it how the West perceives it
Огромное спасибо за перевод на русский! Я учу английский сейчас, но моего уровня недостаточно для полного понимания этого видео( Искренне благодарю❤
Hard topics, light hearted final moments, then the Plato quote to sum. I really enjoyed it all and found value in so much of the discussion. You do a great job Lex.
Harder when people ignore Nazi Baathism, the basis for Arab governance. Pan Arabism was started in the 30's by Nazis in the ME. Actual swastika wearing Nazis laid this ground work and nobody wants to talk about Mufti and Nazi policy of PAN ARABISM.
Well said.
not really. He hardly pushed back at all.
How dare you call it light hearted. Antisemite!
@@josspaddock Such a heavy-hearted fella.
00:00 🌍 John Mearsheimer emphasizes the importance of power in international relations and how states seek power for survival due to the absence of a higher authority in the global system.
02:33 📈 Power in international relations is largely determined by population size and wealth, with these factors underpinning a state's strength.
05:31 🌐 Anarchy in international politics refers to the absence of a higher authority above states, leading them to maximize relative power for survival.
09:26 🤝 Nations strive for power to ensure security, not necessarily aggression, driven by historical examples like the Century of National Humiliation in China.
12:26 🌐 Realism versus liberalism in international relations: Realists focus on power, competition, and war as instruments of statecraft, while liberals have more optimistic views, emphasizing aspects like democratic peace theory, economic interdependence, and institutions for peaceful coexistence.
16:44 🏛 Democratic peace theory suggests that democracies tend not to fight each other due to shared norms and values, while realists argue that structural dynamics, not democracy, drive state behavior.
18:45 💰 Economic interdependence theory posits that economic ties between nations deter war, yet realists assert that security concerns often override economic interests in conflicts.
19:44 📜 Liberal institutionalism proposes that rule-based institutions can promote peace, contrasting with realist notions that survival trumps prosperity in critical situations.
23:13 🤔 Realist divisions include structural realists (focus on system) vs. human nature realists (emphasis on individual psychology) and within structural realism, the distinction between offensive (seeking power) and defensive (maintaining power) realists.
25:11 🌐 Structural considerations heavily influenced Nazi Germany's aggressive behavior, highlighting the interplay between structural factors and individual leadership (e.g., Hitler's "will to power").
27:07 🇩🇪 Factors like resentment over the Versailles Treaty played a role in Hitler's rise to power, showcasing the complex interplay between historical grievances, individual psychology, and international conflicts.
28:02 🌐 Hitler's rise to power was influenced by factors such as resentment, economic depression, and his ability to pull Germany out of the Great Depression.
30:31 🌍 Structural elements drove significant historical events, like Hitler's actions in World War II, but history is multidimensional, involving various aspects beyond mere individuals.
31:56 🛠 Realism in international relations theory answers key questions about security competition and great power wars but doesn't explain every aspect, like the specifics behind events like the Holocaust.
34:24 🤔 Hitler's decisions in World War II had resistance internally within Germany, especially concerning the invasion of Poland and France, contrasting with the less oppositional decision to invade the Soviet Union.
36:29 🏹 Hitler's strategy involved various axis points in different directions during World War II, emphasizing the importance of different approaches and target regions.
39:27 🔍 Soviet Union's fierce resistance against Nazi Germany was driven by the genocidal nature of the adversary and the understanding that surrender meant death, motivating them to fight fiercely.
42:27 🕊 Putin's invasion of Ukraine in 2022 wasn't necessarily about conquering all of Ukraine, but primarily a response to NATO expansion into Ukraine, as evidenced by negotiation attempts to end the conflict soon after it began.
48:11 ⚔ NATO's expansion into Eastern Europe, particularly Ukraine, despite Russia's objections, significantly contributed to the conflict and tensions between Russia and the West.
51:31 🌍 The West's strategy aimed to make Ukraine a pro-Western democratic state within NATO and the EU, which clashed with Russia's security concerns and led to a dire situation.
52:57 🛡 Putin doesn't aspire to recreate the Soviet Union but prioritizes Russia's security, particularly regarding NATO's proximity to Russian borders. His primary concern is to prevent NATO expansion into Ukraine.
56:24 🌍 Putin faced a challenging period of national humiliation for Russia, and it took time to rebuild the country's strength.
57:51 🛡 The US held significant power from 1989 to 2017, remaining the strongest global player.
58:49 🇷🇺 Russians' historical experiences with invasions make them sensitive about Ukraine's proximity to their border.
59:18 🌐 Strategists need empathy to understand others' perspectives in international politics.
01:00:14 🤝 Putin's perception of NATO expansion differs from the US's benign view, impacting their reactions.
01:02:47 💔 Prospects for a meaningful peace agreement in Ukraine appear dim, frozen conflict likely.
01:04:55 🤔 Direct talks between Zelensky and Putin might have a sliver of a chance without US involvement.
01:08:30 💡 Potential solutions involve Ukraine's neutrality and accepting Russia's territorial gains.
01:13:02 🕊 Trust issues from failed agreements hinder the possibility of successful negotiations.
01:17:58 🔄 Removing Putin won't likely lead to a more peaceful resolution in Ukraine; a replacement might be more hardline.
01:20:36 🎙 Asking Putin direct, specific questions might reveal insights into his perspectives and intentions.
01:24:38 🚀 Deterrence Strategy: Mearsheimer argues that possessing nuclear weapons serves as a powerful deterrent, especially for weaker nations like Ukraine against potential adversaries.
01:25:36 🌍 NATO and Ukraine: Mearsheimer criticizes NATO expansion and argues against bringing Ukraine into NATO, foreseeing its destruction. He suggests that stability in Europe is better served by avoiding such actions.
01:26:35 💣 Nuclear Weapons Use: In a MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) world, Mearsheimer discusses the potential use of nuclear weapons for manipulation of risk and as a demonstration effect. He explains historical Cold War scenarios and speculates on Russia's potential use in a conflict with Ukraine.
01:32:28 🌐 Rapid Escalation: The conversation delves into the terrifying dynamics of nuclear weapon use in the modern age, considering the fast-paced nature of news, social media, and how a small demonstration of power can lead to unpredictable and catastrophic consequences.
01:38:34 🇮🇱🇵🇸 Israel-Palestine Conflict: Mearsheimer attributes the October 7th, 2023, Hamas attack to the ongoing Israeli occupation. He discusses the diminishing prospects of a two-state solution due to increased Israeli resistance and loss of interest, emphasizing the need for peace in the region.
01:46:52 🕊 Conflict and Leadership: Mearsheimer dismisses the notion that those in power benefit from conflict, asserting that Israeli leaders prefer submission over resistance. He underscores the importance of achieving a two-state solution for lasting peace.
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Nice work Dame. You went above & beyond. Thank you.
You the real MVP!
did ya do that with ChatGPT or something similar? cool either way
Impressive
I hope, there are going to be discussions on this highly respectful and intellectual level on tv soon too. Minimum emotions, maximum objectivity. Thank you so much, Lex. You do a great job.
Unfortunately, TV is going in the other direction....hard.
This was an eye opener
Phenomenon reportage...been on replay during my entire work day. Please continue with this endeavour
Thanks for democratizing intellectual discussion at a higher level than what is out there in the red ocean of internet media
I wish it actually was a more of a discussion, as I hoped Lex would ask more about some of more contradicting or incorrect points he makes, but certainly a much more interesting dialogue than on some obscure channels Mearsheimer often goes to.
@@mb-bp1ebwhat do you think is John's most glaring mistake or contradiction?
@@mb-bp1eb Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like Lex was resonating with what he was saying, given his nationality. Might be why he either chose not to or simply doesn't recognize the discrepancies.
@@jtzoltan Maybe not glaring, but I feel like he always talks about israeli side neglecting the 2 state solution which I don't believe is correct. Unlike the Netanyahu there were many jewish leaders who actually accepted the 2 state solution while arab side refused and attacked. The palestinians are just too crazy to deal with and basicaly all arab states in the region in last 50 years either expelled them or were destabilised by them like Lebanon. As someone from middle/eastern europe I just dont share his admiration for Putin and Russia. (some americans from that era just have that romantic idea :) They can not be trusted and nothing apart violence, lies and missery ever came from that part of the world.. but that can be just my genetics and family experience from last 100 years :)
Then again - lot of things he says makes sense. He made interesting point about the ukraine nukes, but I guess that Ukraine was such a mess back then that both West and Russia just did not feel like letting those 800 nukes laying around :)
Also.. I feel like he gives more credit to russian millitary power than it deserves lately (but who knows) and ignores that people in eastern europe, Poland, Ukraine, Balkan, Baltic and Finland actually have something to say about where they stand - Im not sure if that cold war bipolar logic still aplies.
@mb-bp1eb yeah I can sympathize with your position: it frusteates me how so many people talk about Israel commiting atrocities without even knowing that prior to any such event, there was just about always a revolt, terror attack, invasion by Arab states that preceded it. They're so awash in one-sided propaganda and don't even know it. I also feel for the Palestinians as people suffering the situation and huper propagandized, though they can't help it due to who's in control there. It seems that the surrounding Arab states just use the Palestinians as an festering open wound for Israel. I personally think the Israelis would have done better to have not gone for an offensive in Palestine after Oct. 7th... I think they could have had so much sympathy while there be so much disgust with Hamas, while all the Hamas apologists would have looked terrible trying to defend those actions... they could have made demands of Hamas that they would turn down, and after exhausting those other mediated options, they could then go for an invasion. I could easily be naive though.
As for Russia, my dad is Hungarian. When he was 12, him, his brother, sister and parents escaped to Austria just as the Soviets were closing the borders again after reoccupying Hungary as the 1957 uprising came to an end. I have no love for the Soviet Union nor modern Russia... they destroyed my family, who were minor land holders before the Soviet takeover. I don't think modern Russia is the same as the Soviets, and I don't like the mob influence in their state and cultural problems, but also think they're heavily propagandized against. I find this conflict with Ukraine difficult and feel the Ukrainian people have been crushed and used as pawns in Great Game conflicts. When it comes down to it, I don't blame Russia for it primarily, but the class of people who captured the US government who along with the UK, sabotaged the early 2022 peace talks. The way the US-UK axis exercises influence over Europe is disturbing to me, Germany's economic and political interests have been badly mismanaged and it was sad how they did nothing after the Nordstream 2 sabotage... the Anglo-Americans in my view do not want Germany and Russia to align as it would be a competitor to them who are evidently fixated on maintaining unipolar hegemony in my view. I think many of the things we love about the free West are being dismantled by this same class in Washington and London and the pinnacle elites.
I agree with Mersheimer about the Minsk accords being done in bad faith to buy time by NATO, that has been documented. There are some arguments that the Euromaiden Revolution wasn't necessarily a US intelligence backed operation, but I come down on the side that says it was.
It's tough because Russia just doesn't have the soft-power to asdress all these subversive, underhanded ploys run by the Anglo-Americans who do have that soft power, so they can do these power grabs and still spin it like Russia was the bad guy... I think Russia could either allow the continual erosion of their interests, and to be surrounded by the US and allies, or they could resort to the military option when other routes fail.
I could be wrong though, and have put too much weight on this perspective, so I'm interested to hear other perspectives on it
This is my second time watching this podcast. I hope listening to this and commenting does not go against thought police.
My critical analysis of how Lex has handled other guests cannot detract from the respect I have for giving us this Honest discourse. Mad Props
This is probably the best long format UA-cam video I seen in years.
Especially the Ukrainian-Russian conflict. Very informative
Let's make no mistake, Mearsheimer is a biased man giving a biased point of view.
@@jamesr8584
Yes, but he is very open about his bias, and from what perspective he looks at issues.
It's the individual viewer responsibility to look for countervailing opinions. And then weigh the arguments.
Just want to let people know, he tends to be on the outer fringe than the consensus view you would get from objective political scientists and historians. He does not give fair representation in many topics he writes about.
I'm glad he gave Mearsheimer some play after having given Kotkin two interviews.
Прекрасный перевод! Благодарю за такой откровенный разговор
Перевод часто хромает, но в целом он точный и этого достаточно
The people need to unite. Rise up & demand peace. What a concept
Lex you are a Giant amongst Minnows I think you are 1 of the best persons in our world your smart compassionate and very strong you Rock bro
I,m Danny from Austrailia
What a great dialogue. An hour in, you can see that Professor Mearsheimer is having way more fun talking with Lex than doing one of his usual Q&A sessions after a lecture. And the interjected visuals---maps, graphs, and especially the quotes from the Minsk Accords liars---added immensely. Phenomenal podcast.
While I agree with a lot of what Mearsheimer said it has to be pointed out that there were a few things he avoided any discussion of.
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1) During the HOLODOMOR (1931 - 1932) Russia starved 2 Million Ukrainians to death.
2) At no point in this article is MEARSHEIMER particularly critical of Putin. In fact he concistently describes Putin in a positive light.
3) Putin's actions protect Him and his Oligarch buddies at a huge cost to the Russian and Ukrainian people.
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MEARSHEIMER has a very selective blindness.
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@@CBCPROPAGANDAas much as you might like him to insult Putin more, none of those things are actually necessary to discussion of the fields Mearsheimer specializes in. Also, Please show where he describes Putin in an unequivocally positive light outside of calling him a mostly rational actor.
@@mysteryman6918 ??? So 'mosttly rational' is not good enough ???
@@CBCPROPAGANDA well, you’re saying that Mearsheimer somehow needs to be critical of Putin to get his unrelated points across. What those criticisms should be, you don’t say what they are or why they’re relevant. It reads to me like you’re suggesting Mearsheimer needs to temper his analysis of Putin being mostly rational in the field of international relations, by insulting his personality or his policies inside of Russia (which I doubt Mearsheimer agrees with).
@@mysteryman6918 MEARSHEIMER managed to discuss Russian-Ukreaine politics for more than an hour WITHOUT once mentioning the HOLODOMOR. Isn't that just a tiny bit suspect ???
I listened to this podcast twice.. my goodness i was longing for an extreme objective human online. What high intellectual conversation
Mearshimer is a Putin apologist.
Too bad they come so few & far between😮 If only our brothers, our neighbors & the rest out there could be exposed to & enlightened with such a decent, proper conversation between 2 bloody adults for goodness sake 😮 it's such a shame we are so propagandized isn't it people? My God we ALL KNOW we've GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT 💪🙏✌️
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Lex Fridman’s “objectiveness” also lets his guests control the narrative to whatever extent they desire. He doesn’t push back on misinformation. He’s a phony. Terrible interviewer at that. Imagine having John Mearsheimer and you bring up Elon Musks’s foreign policy opinion. What an idiot.
Mearsheimer is not objective in the slightest. He is a child of the Cold War. He can only think in terms of imperial interests of the USA, Russia, China. He treats all other countries, especially those in the historical sphere of Russian influence, as pawns, subjects of the game played by the big players. It's absolutely repugnant and as a Pole I find it hard to be reduced to a minion who has no say which side I want to align with. Mearsheimer grants no voice, no independence to Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic states. We are independent nations with a proud history. Mearsheimer can't tell us who we should ally. If we prefer the US over Russia (and it's obvious why we prefer the US), then Mearsheimer should f*ck off and shut up.
A pleasure to listen. The rhetoric, the willingness to hear each other, the logic beyond proving his point not for the sake of being right but for the search of truth. Thank you Lex for making it possible and thank you professor Mearsheimer for bringing some light in such a dark scenario.
This has been the most intelligent conversation I’ve heard about the wars we’re navigating. This is the kind of real conversations that can make a difference in this complicated world. As the daughter of a holocaust survivor every cell in me is crying out for all the lives being lost because of pride, miscommunication and dogma. Thank you Lex for creating a platform for these conversations.
"If wars can be started by LIES, Peace can be started by TRUTH." - Julian Assange.
🆓 Julian Assange
lol quoting this muppet . Imagine that
@@hadror13 Is this John Boltons youtube account?
When Mearsheimer visited Chinese universities in Beijing in 2019, I was there, I can confirm he truly was a rock star
A "rockstar" that falls for Putins propaganda 🤦🏻♂️
no surprise there.
Ofc, he hates the West.
Yes, contrary to the belief of so many dummies in the comment section who are outraged to hear anything different than the mainstream woke narrative
No surprise Chinese Communists love Mearsheimer.
Thank you very much! Большое вам спасибо! ❤
Your guest ohs truly informed, fair and tells it as is. You should have more guests like this gentleman.
Mearsheimer has an incredibly discerning mind. I'm continually impressed by the caliber of guests and the quality, nuance, and intellectual depth, of conversations on your channel, Lex.
Lex is a fantastic interviewer on account of his intellectual humility. He doesn't seem intent on pushing a particular narrative, but lets his guests speak freely, something rarely seen in mainstream media these days.
JM 2024- or maybe NSA director? Sec of State? Defense? :)
On the basis of comments like these, I suppose I'll listen to see if his style of argument changes under questioning. The last time I listened carefully to a whole Mearsheimer lecture (related mainly to Ukraine/Russia), it seemed like all the critical argument points boiled down to "trust me" assertions of causality. I realize that old guys with huge resumes are more entitled to pontificate more than the rest of us, but when it comes to big policy conclusions, I prefer some due diligence on the evidence front.
he is a liar. only stupid people would believe in him.
@@wolfpants All Mescheinheimer has been doing for the last 2 years is trying to hide the fact that his teaching is incredibly wrong, as the war in Ukraine has shown.
He is a puppet for Putin, likely on the Cremlin payroll.
great show , very interesting discussion the 3 hours felt like 3 minutes to me
Agreed. Do watch "The Duran". They have been accurate for years. you might enjoy, you probably already know them.
Same!
@@flowerpunkchip any more suggestions sth like this. Or simply regarding international political econ
Definitely. I look forward to seeing Mister John Mearsheimer on the podcast.
It was good until the CCP propaganda started. Yuck. Down with the CCP.
Just amazing. 3 hours to enjoy.
Lex, you're such a wonderful man. May the gods love thee and keep thee always. Very very good interview, as always.
Surprising, after 400 epiodes Lex just found John Mearsheimer!
Well Lex is CIA so they don't like truthful Info.
400 episodes? Already?
Hey, after 400 episodes, I just found Lex Fridman!
After the Musk and Mearsheimer interviews, I guess I have a lot of catching up to do!
So far, Lex is Rex.
I thinks it's "safe" to have him on now that, unfortunately, the war is lost against Russia.
@@joshbell5387yeah... It would've been a more explosive interview in March last year, and it would've aged spectacularly well.
@@joshbell5387Several number of his guests appeared in multiple podcasts.
"I think about aliens a lot" J.M *smiles politely*
Lol
I thought it was cringey on Mearshiemers part..
Occupation??? You mean like every country in the world. The only difference with the Israelis is they were too kind hearted not to kick the Arabs out once after beating them in war after war. There are millions of refugees all over the world, who left this year. The Palestinians are the only ones the world cares about, because no one agrees to take them in. That includes 22 Arab and another 30 non Arab Muslim countries. Why? Because they start terror organizations and try to overthrow the local government. Israel is the only country where a large group of Palestinians live with full rights. The only reason the West Bank and Gaza were not treated like people us because the Palestinians there did and do what they tried to do in Jordan and Egypt, violently overthrow the local government. Those countries put them down with startling, immense violence. (See Black Friday.) If you want more facts, rather than fake news buzz words, see TravellingIsrael, Benny Morris, Douglas Murray.
Lex Fridman you have a great talent for interviewing your guests, intelligent, well thought out questions that invoke a relaxed atmosphere were your guests can open up and speak freely without having to be defensive.
This man should be part of every US administration period
must be a reason he s not invited,russian shill most likely😂
Thank you Lex and Dr. Mearsheimer for bringing this conversation to the world. Truly inspiring. So many ideas to unpack after listening to you both.
I love all the added illustrations, articles and sources added throughout, over the guest speaking. Great episode.
While I agree with a lot of what Mearsheimer said it has to be pointed out that there were a few things he avoided any discussion of.
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1) During the HOLODOMOR (1931 - 1932) Russia starved 2 Million Ukrainians to death.
2) At no point in this article is MEARSHEIMER particularly critical of Putin. In fact he concistently describes Putin in a positive light.
3) Putin's actions protect Him and his Oligarch buddies at a huge cost to the Russian and Ukrainian people.
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MEARSHEIMER has a very selective blindness.
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@@CBCPROPAGANDAyou're misunderstanding
because there was no holodomor, do your homework@@CBCPROPAGANDA
Which citations? Did I miss them?
Which of the lies he told did you find most compelling?
Lex, what I love about your range of speakers is that they trigger me to ask myself, “What do *I* think about this subject,” rather than passively listening to a speaker who echos my preexisting thoughts.
3:26:27 well, I really love you two guys. So much enjoyed your talk. Greetings from Vienna, still not lost.
Great analysis by John. How about doing similar analysis of Asia, particularly about the JAPAN and Asia leading to WWII
As always, Mearsheimer is a clear, rational thinker and I don't even agree with everything he says, particularly with respect to China. Thanks for hosting him, we can never get enough of his wisdom.
Just started watching, he's a hawk on China correct?
@@tegusentertainment8021he is upset we can no longer use Russia as a bulwark against China.
@@tegusentertainment8021 Well sort of, he lays it out pretty much in the interview. Maybe I'm not a "realist" on this, but my own opinion is that somehow the world has to learn to work together else we are all doomed. This means countries giving up autonomy to a considerable degree. If that isn't possible, then I guess we all burn in hell, literally.
@@surprisedmike I don't think his view contradicts your view on this. He's just saying what the reality on the ground is right now.
We love you too Lex. You are so inspiring. Keep up the good work!
The Mearsheimer Interview nicely is timed.❤..I wished u could bring him long ago.
-Lex, now u need to bring also Jeffery Sachs..
- Also a leader from Turkey or Iran to enlight us about their perspective about Gaza..
-JARED was big time BS and Propaganda. Netanyahu was sleeping is room, when he was kid.
he's a slimy one.
Does NATO threaten Russia?
Never heard that
What the purpose of NATO?
This is an impressive interview. Third time listening to it and it is still objective as well as accurate - its April
Mearsheimer is probably one of the most realistic analyst of global geopolitics, especially with the Russia-Ukraine War. Really look forward to his participation in more podcasts across platforms
He's antisemetic to a degree . He hides a lot of truth that would support Israel .
He's leaving the door open for Biden to turn his back on Israel .
We better acknowledge the fact that Islam wants to eliminate all other religions faiths .
If Israel falls , the authoritarian regimes will take down democracy one country at a time and they will do it as an alliance of dictatorships .
Chomsky said the same exact thing as Mearsheimer about Zalinsky and Putin were negotiating for peace first three weeks and it is the United States to blame for the war they insisted Zalinsky not negotiate
I think he’s able to communicate the principles of power in Geo-politics, but I completely disagree with his assessment of Ukraine; he seems willfully ignorant of the corruption which belies the cleptocractic Russian state.
NATO isn’t an existential threat, it’s just a scape-goat for a short-man with a napoleonic complex.
They have resources, and can offset that necessity of a large population with a couple thousand nukes…Putin wants Ukraine, because he is a looter. Nothing more than a nuclear bully. As far as I’m concerned, mearsheimer is running cover for putin through his intellectualism. Garbage.
@@wotiluvabsolute nonsense ..
24 Feb putin was calling the Ukrainian government nazis who needed to be replaced , he sent a chechen assassination team to kill zelensky..
Yet you think weeks later he and zelensky were having peace talks .
I listened to this guy about 9 months ago .
He was even then giving it all about how ukraine was about to be overrun then .
Guess what , he was wrong .
Definitely gives a pro putin argument in his analysis at least did 9 months ago
@@rschloch he’s right you’re dead wrong
Been waiting for this one for a long time. Thank you, Lex. It's apparent it wasnt an easy conversation for you. You're appreciated.
Why hasn't Lex come out and condemned Russia for what it has done?
@@craptacluar But do you condemn Hamas?
@@craptacluar looks like you didn't listen to anything Measheimer said.
@@JohnDoe-hh7eo Exactly. This assumption should have been challenged. JM makes an assumption of "occupation" that shows where he stands. What about the Balfour Declaration, the Six days war, the Yom Kippur war, the declaration of Israel as a state with a right to exist? Palestine has never been declared as a nation with sovereign rights to this land. Using the term "occupation" shows that he thinks it is their land.
@@jsfranks840Interesting, don’t be too quick to jump to conclusions, he is who he is for various reasons including his rigorous fact checking and analysis. Also, he is only looking at this from an IR perspective. Passing judgment is not his style. If you want a deeper dive into that history you should probably read Dershowitz, Pappe, and Finkelstein. And by the way you should read them with full impartiality. Then go into the facts, which are other very prominent and influential Israeli historians. But I warn you, it is not a pretty story. Which is why, the present situation is much more complicated than the surface of emotions. The level of ramifications that this event and possible future political settlement might have is not going to look well for Israel. I think the only solution to avoiding putting up face now is to prolong this war beyond the stretch of time, which means the total destruction of the palestinian civilian population. Again, very bad for Israel and all the positive things it can represent for the community and the region. In my opinion, this is an epic failure from their side. And I understand that you can argue that this is the PA or PLO’s mistake. However, you should be reminded that they have had and have no real power to go to a negotiating table. The government of Israel is enormously more powerful and mighty. Hamas has firecrackers if compared to the military capacity of the IDF.
Thank you, Alex, for having someone as knowledgeable yet humble as Professor John Mearsheimer. This meeting was very useful for me and I learned a lot from it. Words are not enough to thank you.❤
ONE of the BEST INTERVIEW EVER one can find online!
With such deep analysis, sincere discussion, openess & freedom of speach, knowledge & wisdom, good intention & hope and most important CORRECT Info & FACTS nations can only obtain JUSTICE and look to live in PEACE for all human kind.. Amen
Great podcast, and actually made me rethink a lot of my viewpoints.
Its a sign of a great and honest conversation
@teoriprove-comwhat utter horseshite you’re peddling 🙄
@teoriprove-com thank you for the detailed answer and important context. I am well aware of the bias and even a hint of anaware antisemitism with his comments about tribalism.
I'm well aware he is an anti zionist, and maybe even antisemite (although not in the very essence of the word), but his viewpoint is still valuable and important to know about. And made me think, which is all you can hope with when hearing someone with opinion that is very different than yours
Absolutely fantastic. I learned a lot, thought a lot, and enjoyed myself. John has the verve and obvious enjoyment in what he's doing that is infectious. Gratitude!
Yes, John is gleeful in his role as a Putin propagandist.
He doesn't agree with the liberal neocon worldview must be a Russian agent.
Terrible take bud. Back to /r/worldnews with ya.
@@MrCaseydbarnettpoint out facts otherwise your opinion don’t count.
The problem with a heiarch is the same as with a dictator.
They are seldom benign fair objective and ALWAYS resented no matter how benign.
Thus the dictator or heiarch must in the end ALWAYS resirt to measures seen as repressive to maintain its position.
shocking how he spoke about Hamas never once stating they were terrorists.
Get Thomas Sowell before it’s too late: he’s a legend and he’s 93! An American treasure!
This x100
He’s a dummy
I thought Sowell would come on around the time Glenn Loury was on. I remain disappointed
That would be too much to ask from a 93-year-old man. I don't think you appreciate how much of an ordeal that would be.
@@aliasbrush2if Prof. Sowell permits the interview, Lex may as well visit him. Or like Prof. Chomsky has done these past few years, do the Zoom call instead if Prof. Sowell isn't raring for a face to face interview.
About time, good to see this interview with John. Now lets have Norman Finkelstine.
For me I can not stand listening to Norman F…it might his voice, tone, repeating of something over & over
@@midmomom2490 then don't listen. It is not north korea where you have to listen to whatever supreme leader says.
@@bobobobo3142 I stopped listening to him thank you
@@midmomom2490zionists dont usually like him i would assume
Ah yes the internet's two favourite pop historians
Why is this episode not on Rumble? YT has problems with understanding my comment here (the previous one).
1:57:50 nope.
Switzerland and Liechtenstein
For 3 hours and 26 minutes I've not skipped a bit of this interview 👍👏
seems like I need to run a marathon or go for a hike to take in this ;-)
@@lmc4964perfect perfect lpl hope p
one of the most level headed commentators on international affairs ,a privilege to listen to you both,thankyou Lex..
For all his erudition Mearsheimer forgot to say that the Cuban missile crisis was the Soviet response to US missiles in Turkey, aimed at the Soviet Union.
Non partisanship is an important attributes of scholarship yet it is rare amongst scholars. John Mearsheimer seems to have it in abundance 😊
I could listen to Mr. Mearsheimer discuss foreign policy all day.
He is interesting. But also he is an academic and a contrarian. It is fun but his notions about Russia are not very deep.
@@opinion4755 he is not a contrarian. He is a realist, those are his beliefs and he lived through times when realism was popular theory in the West and through times where Liberalism was (is) more popular than Realism. What is popular is out of his hands.
@@opinion4755his ideas only seem contrarian because people take his ideas and snip them to fit into their political/cultural discussions and debates.
For example his opposition to confronting Russia in Ukraine has nothing to do with the current discussion of who is in the right and whether Ukraine deserves support, or even should the US support any foreign wars, these are ongoing debates in America, and people engaged in those debates use his opinion on this issue.
But his actual idea has nothing to do with these discussions, he’s a realist, and he believes America should pivot to Southeast Asia to confront China, as he sees China as the main rival to the US, and in the process America should neutralize Russia from joining China, but the US did the opposite, it antagonized Russia and this made Russia fall into Chinese arms, which strengthened China, while distracting the west from fighting China
I'd rather listen to someone else's diarrhea.
Yayyy a smart but contrarian propagandist that hides from that title by saying hes a realist. :)
The Cuban Missile Crisis was a ruse all along. The Soviets had no intention of using the missiles placed in Cuba, they were put there as a bargaining chip to induce the US to agree to remove its Jupiter missiles from Italy and Turkey. About the same missile flight time from Turkey to Moscow as the from Cuba to Washington, DC. How did the "crisis" end? The US quietly removed its missiles from Turkey and Italy, and the USSR removed its missiles from Cuba.
You are 100% correct, the Soviets had no "Real" intent on actually using them, but it became a "Real" crisis when both sides realized that Fidel's Cuba was crazy enough to actually do it. Good thing cooler heads prevailed.
Putin expected “Anschluss” of Ukraine using 190k soldiers.
Thank you awesome conversation
Learned more from this than I did from school
Чему же тогда вас учат в школе? Считать и писать? Кто кому сколько должен и поставить подпись под кредитом? Приезжайте в Россию. Очень удивитесь тому как живут по настоящему свободные люди!
You realize he has been debunked right? Just because someone talks fancy doesn't mean it's the truth
@@feynou Кого разоблачили? И в чем? Писать на английском, не значит иметь гражданства....
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Deeply grateful for the enlightening conversation, Lex and John.
But was it a conversation? Lex didn't participate much or show if he supports Mearsheimer's views.
@@MikeCasey-rz2bcLex is the interviewer!
It’s his show, we’re familiar with his views, but we wanted to hear the views of his guest - without interference - we can make our own judgment then. That’s the mark of a true professional. A guided conversation, asking the questions we wanted the guest to answer. So much more enlightening than listening to a prepared speech, and much less painful than listening to an interviewer with his own strong opinions, which is the case with most of the interviewers on similar podcasts. THEY are not conversations!
@@valtracey6180 You say you're familiar with Lex' views, can you tell me what his views are on the Russia-Ukraine conflict? What are his views on Israel?
@@MikeCasey-rz2bc not specifically! I would have to hear him being interviewed on those specific topics to know that. I’m referring to his views in general, that is all we can know, unless as I said, he is being interviewed himself, or enters into a debate or discussion on the matter. You’ll have to address those questions to Lex directly if you want his views on those specific questions.
@@MikeCasey-rz2bche said it several times. His views are there should always be a peaceful coexistent solution we should strive towards.
Thank you for a great podcast , full of great questions and answers
Great interview 👍. Thanks!
John' Ukraine lecture on the University of Chicago UA-cam channel had around a million views before the invasion in 2022. Now its at 29 million views. It was released almost 8 years ago. I'm surprised he hasn't been on more podcasts.
Because Mearsheimer is a moron or a Russian propagandist. I'm surprised Lex is even talking to him. Maybe running out of guests.
Got a link?
@@lutaayam ua-cam.com/video/JrMiSQAGOS4/v-deo.htmlsi=0u6GSRK5AdzDZYMF
@@lutaayamjust google it. Mearsheiner university Chicago why is Ukraine the wests fault 2015
@@lutaayam ua-cam.com/video/JrMiSQAGOS4/v-deo.html
Thought provoking! Thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Thankful to be able to acces these high quality and civil discussions for free.
Thank you Lex, keep it up 👊
Gotta say it's refreshing to hear an well-researched, well-spoken, unbiased American talking clearly. CNN, FOX and their less informed viewers feel like a Black Mirror episode at times