This video seems to have had a surprising surge of comments recently, so first of all, glad you're all enjoying the video! Second of all though, a lot of these comments tend to ask a lot of the same or similar questions, so I'm posting this here to clear up a number of things: 1. A lot of people have asked me where Daxter is, as in the PSP game that takes place during the two years Daxter was without Jak at the start of Jak II. I did mention its events and there is footage of it at 4:55. But yes, I didn't cover it in that much detail. My bad. Reason was its events were kinda filler by nature and I didn't think going over it in too much detail was too relevant, but in hindsight, its events were still worth going over more thoroughly and I ought to have at least name-dropped the characters. I do regret that and I honestly apologise. Not much of an "entire story" without it, after all. 2. YES. I did forget to mention that Jak's real name is Mar. When Damas is dying in Jak's arms, he tells him to find his son and that his name is Mar. Since Jak is Damas' son, that makes his birth name Mar. Totally slipped my mind even though I set up who Mar was earlier in the video for that purpose. However. this does lead into my next point... 3. NO. Jak is not the same Mar of legend. I understand why people who know Jak 3 are under that impression, so I'll explain. In the game's ending, Jak tells the precursors to go by his first name, Mar. Ashelin reacts by saying "Wait, Jak is Mar? THE Mar?" Her questions go unanswered, though Seem can be seen nodding in response to the first one. But because of her questions that the game obviously draws attention to, it seems like there's an implication that Jak is the same person as Mar, the founder of Haven City. Time travel does exist in this universe and Jak is tight with the precursors, so it's not impossible. Or is it? But why else would Jak's name be Mar? Here's three things to take into account: - Jak needed a significant birth name. As I point out in the video, the name Jak itself is part of a closed time loop. Nobody named him that and nobody knew the kid's name before they knew he was Jak from the future. So when we meet Jak's birth father, he's going to need to find out his actual name. Considering the lore of the J&D universe, the real question is why _wouldn't_ they call him Mar. To name him after any other character would only cause a lot of confusion, to have his birth name be Jak would be an odd and contrived coincidence and to name him something else entirely would just be random. "Find my son, Bob." So Jak's name is Bob? Cool, I guess. No, they named him after Mar because he's a legendary figure in the series history and Jak, as the hero of his time, carries on his grand legacy as his successor, which lends Jak as a character more significance in his origins that tie in nicely to his role as our hero. This is also quite literal as the next thing is... - Mar is Jak's ancestor. Damas is not uncertain about this. He named Jak after the founder of his bloodline. Mar was the ruler of Haven City and that heritage led to Damas before Praxis usurped him. Jak is Mar's direct descendant. I'm all for closed time loops, but Jak being his own ancestor is too far. That's a cartoonishly silly and unrealistic idea. Some may be willing to entertain it; I personally am not. - There is no concrete evidence. While Ashelin brings up the idea, which I imagine Naughty Dog did to tease fans about it with no plans to confirm anything... nothing is confirmed. There's no actual confirmation, no proof, no guarentees and not even that many hints when you really examine it. The fact is, there are no facts on this subject, so while the topic is still very up in the air - like most parts of this series' lore - that doesn't mean it's a sure thing. And if you ask me, there's more evidence against Jak being Mar than there is for. I mean, can't Mar just be another guy? Why does Jak have to do everything? Seriously, let lore be lore. That's my take on it, I guess. 4. And no, Jak didn't go on many adventures with the precursors before returning to Daxter at the end of the last cutscene in 3 via time travel. Where do people keep getting that idea? The heavy implication of Jak 3's ending is that he never left because he couldn't bear to leave without Daxter. Hence also why he looks exactly the same. 5. So Jak X has stats for all its characters, confirming that Jak is 15 years old in the first Jak and Daxter game, and Keira is one year younger than him, making her 14 in TPL. (Yes, that's right folks. Those of you who made rather "fond" comments about Keira, you know who you are - that's a 14 year old.) What people have asked is, if she's one year younger than Jak and Jak looks to be at least one year old as a kid in Jak II, how did Samos have her as his daughter after travelling back to the past? The answer is... I don't know. Time travel shenanigans is my best bet. To be frank, it's obvious that Naughty Dog never really thought through stuff like the character ages or how they correlate to the time travel. They aged up Jak in II but they didn't bother to do the same for Keira. We've never even heard anything about Keira's mother, other than the classic "You're just like your mother" comment. My point is, many aspects of this series were not airtight in the slightest, so don't lose sleep over it. 6. For those who don't know, The Lost Frontier was a sequel to the series that was initially worked on by Naughty Dog (and there's even unfinished cutscenes from when they were working on it that has their animation style, writing and Jak with his original voice actor). But somewhere along the way, ND handed the reigns over to High Impact Games, who took over and made it into the PS2/PSP game it is today. Now, to be fair, it's not that bad. And bless the poor guys at HIG for being asked to live up to _Naughty Dog_ of all companies. Game development is a hard business and taking _anyone_ else's property and taking responsibility of it is a hard job no matter what the medium, especially when it has a popular following already. So do cut the guys some slack. That said... Yeah. The story was a cliche mess, the characters weren't quite themselves, the gameplay was a downgrade and it just didn't feel like a Jak and Daxter game. And Jak's voice actor was changed for some reason. It's disappointing, but it's an alright game with some parts that I do genuinely like. There's just a lot more that as a J&D fan, I can't like. 7. Only two people have brought this up, but I might as well cover this too. Yes, Ashelin and Jak did kiss at the end of Jak 3. The reason for that, considering both of them already had a thing going with Torn and Keira respectively (for two games straight, in Jak's case)? Because something was up with Keira in Jak 3. Like, in a meta sense. Her voice actress changed, her model was altered, but to a barely different degree and I think as a result of both those things, her role was MASSIVELY reduced. She's barely in 3. There are like three scenes that she's in and you could take her out of at least two of them without anything changing. But we can't have Jak without a love interest, right? So Ashelin became a massive character all of a sudden, playing off Jak as a romantic lead just so that someone can. This was effectively undone in Jak X after fans rightfully called Naughty Dog out on the two of them being out of character and the ships were realigned, if you want to think of it like that. So much about this annoys me. Hopefully you can see why I didn't bring any of it up in the video. If you have any other questions, do let me know!
5. Remember in jak 2 opening, that jak and daxter got separated from keira and samos during time travelling, and they do not seem to arrive at the same time in Haven. So keira doesnt have to be 14 in the first game. She could be 12 while jak was 15, but arrived to Haven a couple of years before jak, thus their age difference was reduced.
@RetsuPoop First one is here: ua-cam.com/video/tbzNHW9r_Ls/v-deo.html It's only 15 seconds, but it shows Jak and Dax taking down a robot, not unlike they do in the final game, for Tym. Then there's the second one. The heartbreaker: ua-cam.com/video/rsbQHkXfd-I/v-deo.html Jak and Daxter delivering the part from the robot. This one scene, which we don't even see the end of, makes Tym into a far more interesting and entertaining character than final game Tym ever was. I love every single one of his lines and his dynamic with Jak and Daxter was excellent. I weep for his loss.
The implication is that Jak is actually Mar. But not the one that builds Haven City. That would be the little version of himself that he sent to the past. The time travel in this series has it constantly stuck in a loop where little Jak is sent back in time by big Jak, little Jak grows up into Mar and creates Haven City where big Jak sends little Jak back in time, but this time he grows up and gets sent to the future, where the events of Jak 2 take place and he sends little Jak back in time, so forth and so on. The events between little Jak arriving in the past and the end of Jak 2 are taking place infinitely and alternating with each occurrence. That's the issue with time travel plots. There's either never an end or never a beginning to the loop. In this case there isn't a beginning. There is never a "first" Jak because in order for him to go back in time, there must be a Haven City, but in order for there to be a Haven City, he must have gone back in time. At least that's my take on it. I don't think they'd drop the massive twist that Jak was Mar for it to just be convenient naming. And it hardly destroys the mysticism of the lore. Jak was a supreme hero, a being capable of wielding light eco before he was corrupted in 2. We never got to see a fully matured, pure Jak. That version of Jak could have been perfectly capable of founding and leading Haven City.
@@Gimfigle496 Okay, that's a nice idea, but literally nothing implies any of that. Your theory is complete conjecture with no evidence that would still end up suggesting that Jak is his own ancestor. In fact, it would even suggest that two Jak's and Samos' existed at the same time, since Mar held back the metal heads shortly after they first appeared, which was when Jak opened the rift gate at the start of Jak 2. I know that much isn't impossible but it's another unlikely element with nothing supporting it. Sorry, but I don't buy that.
@@Xackadee Complete conjecture? His name is Mar and it's made out to be a big deal. He also sends himself to a convenient point in time where he very well could be the individual that founds Haven City. "it would even suggest that two Jak's and Samos' existed at the same time" Remember that part in Jak 2 where there actually was two Samos and two Jak and all four of them were in the same room? Like I said, the loop alternates. One where Jak finds himself in the future and one where he does not. Him opening the rift gate and NOT being launched through is a possibility and would set him cleanly down the path of becoming the Mar that holds back the metal heads after they appeared, which would be his own doing, and then founds Haven City. And sure, that would leave him fairly young when he has to do that but he proved himself pretty well throughout the course of Jak 1 and even by the end of Jak 3 he's still only 18.
+Christian Ortiz I agree ! It is the only PS2 trilogy i will never get bored with. And unlike Rachet and Clank, who is my second PS2 Trilogy, it stopped before turning bad on PS3 ! The lost Frontier never happened... IT NEVER HAPPENED !!!
+SamSoul80 The Ratchet and Clank games on PS3 were brilliant up until All 4 One. Plus there's a reboot coming out on PS4 alongside the movie that looks to be pretty good. If Jak and Daxter ever continues on current gen consoles, I'll be the first in line to play them. At least the Lost Frontier wasn't Naughty Dog's fault, anyway.
One of the best ways to introduce a character we hadn’t seen for two years since the first game and one of the best unexpected contrasts of that character and his story
Glad you liked it. I agonized over that first line after we made the (wrong) choice to have the lead character not speak in the first game. We wanted it to “feel” like it was you the player in the lead roll. Not someone else. Didn’t work. We were still inventing / experimenting with new game storytelling techniques back then. It was a lot of fun to joke and play into Jak not talking in game 1, and we winked at the fail in a number of scenes. The first line said it all - Jak had grown up. The world was decidedly more dark. The game and world had shifted into more mature themes. Great fun to make this story evolve over time. The Precursors would be proud. :-)
No ages have ever been explicitly said, but Jak is supposed to be 15 in the Precursor Legacy according to someone somewhere at some point. Given that the kid in Jak II looks like they're at least 2 years old and would probably need to be, timeline-wise, Keira would have to be 13 at the absolute oldest. It's obvious that Naughty Dog didn't really think all this through.
@@Xackadee i dont get why everyone hates lost frontier, i kinda liked the game (the whole plane things mostly) but it still could have been better i guess (but you are right, the logic does fail in that game)
Me too! Perhaps someday. Get the word out. :-) We only got to about a third of the total Precursor legacy story I wanted to tell. As Krew would say, “Ahhhh wellll….” ;-)
If that where the case should they spam out a new tipple A game each year. But they gave us The Last of Us. One of the biggest games on the PS3. You can argue and say that they wanted more money when they made The Last of Us: Remastered. However that game gave me a chance to play this brilliant game for the first time. Also the money could be a big help to make The Last of Us 2
This series will forever be my favorite. I will always love this game and nothing could ever compare to it. Games like this, Ratchet and Clank, Spyro, and Sly Cooper. Wish they’d make more like them.
We will never get games like jak and daxter or ratchet amd clank in the next 100 years. Because all games must look realistic and non cartoony. And the humor in movies and games getting more bad
What a masterpiece of a series. Simple enough for younger people to understand, but complex enough to fully appreciate. Half of me wants a Jak 4 but I would fear that it wouldn't live up to fan expectations, and naughty dog knows this aswell. The charm of this trilogy will always hold a place in my heart
Kind kind words. Thank you. I had so much story left to tell, but then I went on to design, write, and creative direct Uncharted, and I never had a chance to get back to Jak & Daxter. Perhaps their time has come around, and we can do it again. I wrote the series to work with kids, but with deeper adult themes and subtext, so it played on multiple levels. And Max as Daxter was so good (what a talent he is!) He helped it hit everyone’s funny bone, young and old. Ultimately, the series and story was about redemption and friendship. And that nothing is as it seems on the surface. Still water runs deep. :-)
@@e.danielarey5118 Would you return to Naughty Dog? A new Jak and Daxter trilogy for PS5 or PS6 would be amazing. Many of us loved that adult humor they had from Jak 2 and 3, most of the players who played those games are already adults, Anyway these Jak and Daxter games are for a +16 audience, just like Uncharted.
@@e.danielarey5118 - Who is Keira's mother? - Is Jak really Mar? - How did Jak meet Daxter and Keira? - What happened to the others Sages? Where are they? - What happened to Daxter's family? - Who is Jak's mother? - What happened to the Lurkers?
not counting the lost frontier, as a lover of the jak and daxter video, I loved watching this and being able to relive the story in a very good 30 min run down.
I didn't think TLF was all that bad. It certainly didn't feel like a Jak and Daxter game, and it was certainly not as good as any of the other games, but I had fun with it nonetheless.
+Bel-Shamharoth if i remember correctly, it didnt feel like a jak and daxter game because the creator of it wasn't naughty dog. they let some other company create the game
I'll never forget that complete tone and setting shift while i first played Jak 2. As a kid, i wasn't expecting this ! I was blown away. 15 years after, still my favourite series ever. That lore had and will always have something special, a mysterious aura that made you jump into it right away. The only other games that made me fell like that are the original Halo trilogy. The Forerunners are basically the Precursors. They feel the same, and the "old mysterious technology with amazing constructions of gigantic scale" are totally the same thing.
Glad you liked the tone and theme shift. Sony was unsure at first, but we got them onboard when they saw the city, and the first roughed scenes. I will always be most proud of the cut scenes, that after 4 games added up to a long full length, feature movie! I was obsessed with getting the best performances directing the VO, and the actors all knocked it out of the park! I have them to thank for taking my okay dialogue, and making it soar. Max Cassella. Tara Strong. Phil LaMarr. Clancy Brown. Many others. I was lucky to get to work with such talent! And the ND scene animation crew went above and beyond. Some of those scenes were beyond special by the end. A whole evolving, connected story. Great times and memories. Hope I can do more with J&D someday.
Hassnain Khalid they said they're not interested in another installment due to their current projects but they said in the future they'll consider picking back up on the series
Ivo the Moth Don't fucking mention that abomination. I was so disappointed with that game, they completely abandoned Jak's personality and ignored everything about the world. You could argue the same for Jak 2 suddenly changing everything from the original game. Difference is. Jak 2 didn't fucking suck, and the new change added to the game.
Fun summary of the story. Thanks for doing it. I had a lot of fun writing it and directing the voice actors. I was wondering if anyone caught the little moment at the end of Jak 3 where clearly Jak was in the Precursor ship that launched. And then suddenly he appeared behind Daxter and Tess. He decided to stay behind with Daxter in a reversed nod to the third game’s opening scene. Or did he? ;-) How did Jak pull off that trick?! Ship blasts off. No doors opening. Suddenly Jak instantly appears behind Daxter!?! I wanted to hint something there and see if anyone caught it… Did Jak go on adventures with the Precursors, then jump back in time to the exact moment he left? Also, not sure if it was an intended compliment, but I’ll take the M. Night comparison. I added a lot of twists and overlapping time elements to the series, and I very much respect reversals and reveals like that. So yes, I was channeling a little M. Night. :-) And I’m very proud of the Jak and Damos final scene. Well acted. (I was obsessed with the VO sessions, and everyone turned in great performances.) That Damos death scene and Jak’s reaction after finding out Damos was his father could have won an Oscar…er…if they awarded them to game scenes. Fun memories and a wild story over 4 games. Jak even aged across the games, if you noticed. I’d love to design and write another one in that series. I miss it. And Max was amazing as Daxter.
My pleasure! I love the Jak and Daxter series and always have! Yeah, I don't think I've ever had particularly strong opinions on M. Night; I was just making a dumb joke about plot twists since his name is so synonymous with them. But definitely do take it as a compliment! The plot twists of the series were really fun elements of the story to grow up with and probably inspired a lot of my own creativity. And I couldn't agree more. The voice acting throughout the games was so stellar, but the performances in 3's endgame were phenomenal. I wish we could have heard more! And Max as Daxter has always been such an incredibly iconic performance. I'll never get tired of hearing it.
Great to see a writer in the comments. Why did the Naughty Dog team decide to downplay Keira's role in Jak 3, and make Ashelin Jak's love interest? I thought that was an odd choice.
This was one of the greatest videos I’ve ever seen hands down the way the music changed between games when you spoke about them and the”it’s Vegar!” jokes to hating on the lost frontier. Spectacular.
agreed, i played through the joke of a game. it was really bad, such a bad damn game, not many proper bossfights and the last proper one vs the dark mofo was shit. the peeps who made sly 4 shoulda made a game that continues the jak and daxter series, not the other pricks who just wanted easy money probaply.
Casually Clutching no. No It doesn’t. And neither does the story. But you and the video maker and every other person on the planet hates lost frontier. And at this point it’s just bandwagon
No. That's just the second two games with their shitty time travel plot, edgyness, and plot twists. The first game is pretty wholesome and simple to understand. Fuck the other two games tbh
Maxwell Edison as a kid I just went with it. But playing now, they completely abandoned the feel of the first game for a more free roam gta style game lol. If GTA 3 never takes off, Jak II is completely different.
My favourite line is Mizo - "You have a habit of leaving people to die don't you?" Jak - (pause) "...You get used to it" Explosion 💥💥 My favourite duo is Jak and Daxter, but this moment really captured the seasoned and gritty side of Jak. From a Pure young lad in Jak and Daxter to blood-filled Renegade in Jak 2 and then a Outcast Hero in Jak 3. Jak and Daxter have really seen it all.
I played Jak & Daxter, Jak 2, and Jak 3, but never beat Jak 2, nor got into Daxter or the other games that left this franchise to end with a whimper. Seven years down the line from you making this video, and now I can be at peace, knowing the how the plot threads of Jak 2 and 3 connect, and what became of the franchise on its last few installments. Thank you, random internet stranger.
So, as a kid, I played the absolute hell out of Jak 3. I had a "totally legal copy" that I bought three times because I broke the disc. Anyway, I LOVED Jak 3. It was and is a brilliant game. The guns were a lot of fun, the vehicles and unlockables were great, the areas were nice to walk around in and damn it I spent a long time shooting civilians and the like, just because I found it funny, haha. I didn't get to appreciate the story until older me went and got a PS Vita and played the remaster or whatever it was called. Then I realized how good the dialogue and story were. Jak 2 was a lot of fun too. I didn't play it nearly as much and still haven't given it a try since. Also had a "legal" copy and it would break and freeze all of the time. I recall liking it a lot none the less, however I don't remember too much. I had a REAL copy of Jak X, but I never got to appreciate it too much either, because by that point, my PS2 was having major issues, and I could not save it. I... I did like it, even though it was a very different styled game. It felt more gritty, at least and like I said, I liked the vehicles in Jak 3 so I could appreciate them here in Jak X too. Percusor Legacy was pretty good too. More "child friendly" platforming here, which I played on the remaster thingo (I need to go find it and play through them all again). I loved the environments and all that, I know that much. Eco was a lot of fun, as it was in the games I played before it. I feel like my older brother played The Lost Frontier. I don't think he liked it much. I never played Dextar, I don't have a PSP. This video made me smile, really. Nostalgia and my love of this series really made this video a great watch. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some games to play! UPDATE: I found my PS Vita, it is absolutely COVERED in dust and crap. Found the cover for the Jak and Dextar Collection, have yet to find the game... Steins Gate, which I forgot I even had, was in the game slot. UPDATE 2: Found the game! May edit this later with a better analysis. Wish I could get Jak X and even Daxter though...
5 years ago… have you played the games since? I had a PS4 a few years ago and played through the collection. I transitioned to Xbox since then and I’ve been thinking of picking up a cheap PlayStation to replay these games
@@tylerm5431 Hey there! Thanks for commenting all this time later. Yes, I sure have played the games since. In fact, last year, I played Jak 2 from start to finish for the first time ever. I played bits of it (also on an illegal copy) but the game was buggy at best, so it would keep freezing. Likely due to the fact that I didn't take care of the disc. In any case, last year I played through the Jak and Daxter collection, starting with Jak 2. It was a lot of fun, and definitely made me appreciate the series that much more. It had a couple of difficult parts, at least for me. The hoverboard missions pissed me off, and that fat dude Krew... He annoyed me as well. I managed to beat the game though and thoroughly enjoyed it. I played a bit of Jak 3 again, but didn't complete it due to losing my focus, or hyper focusing on another game. Great games though, we need more, and we need them now. Or when they are done cooking, we do not want a rushed Jak game.
Such a well done video, with the soundtrack of each game applied during the game’s explanation. Awesome job! Oh yea, forgot to mention Vin was alive (kinda) in Jak 3!
This is great man. Jak and Daxter is my favorite series I just got done with my speed run of jak 3. I found this to be right on point the whole way. Its was hilarious and at the end when you brought up that alternate universe jak, oh I lost it
This was done SO WELL, thank you, I watched the cutscenes of 2 and 3 and then watched this because that's how much I miss this game. I never did get much done in the first, but the gold that was 2 and 3 shines as one of my favorite child hood memories to look back on. Thank you again, Cheers
Dang got recommended an ancient video. I always liked the Jak is Mar theory they teased at the end of 3 because it made me want another game where we go back in time and get to build haven city while battling metalheads. Because really I like metalheads and wanted more of them, no real theorycrafting was going on in my little kid brain I just wanted more armoured alien dinosaur insects. Still do by the way. At this point it's pretty clear there's not going to be another Jak title, but I for one would really like a full remake. Not a remaster. A remake. Redo everything, fix the tiny discrepancies like the ages not exactly lining up, Ashelin suddenly becoming a love interest in the third game, and other such things. Make the most annoying parts of Jak 2 less of a slog to get through (it's not a particularly hard or difficult game, just has some very annoying bits that go on for just a tad too long making them a slog to get through) Conversely, Jak 3 should be a bit less of a breeze to get through, I think they overcompensated for Jak 2 being annoying at times a bit too much for that one. Expand the world a bit. Like a larger desert that actually connects to haven city but you aren't allowed in because reasons until you are, more tiny winding streets in the city to explore, more vehicle types, minigames, secrets, easter eggs, etc, etc. And most importantly. More metalheads.
Why? Because it is not made by the same developers and the biggest reason... It's trash. It is nothing like the first 3 games and Jak X and shouldn't even have the name Jak and Daxter. The community tries to forget that it even exists.
Brando Cackers That game was a literal sin for the franchise. It is so bad, you can't even imagine. I tried to enjoy that whole game but I fucking couldn't. It's that bad. And wtf is that story?! No sorry. I will never acknowledge it's existence in the franchise. Not to forget that it's a spin-off and not counting in the actual timeline and chronology.
An imperfect explanation of the complete story of the Jak series, but it covers the broader strokes pretty well and makes a point of explaining things for people who aren't familiar with the series. I like it.
The best collection ever, had them on the ps2, then buyed it again on the ps3, and here I am once again, downloaded on the ps5. I just really love it, especially jak 2 renegade. Thanks for the video ❤
I played Jack 2, 3, & X. I didn't have the others in my collection but I'm happy to see someone to relay the entire game franchise of an enjoyable open world combat game with a interesting narrative that was interconnected until the last one. Thank you so much for abridging the entire franchises history for all five games!
This game was my childhood! I remember when I beat the games I would start all over. That's how amazing the trilogy was. I enjoyed playing Jak X, even when racing games aren't my favorite. As for The Lost Frontier... it doesn't exist. Hopefully Naughty Dog has a possible 4th Jak and Daxter.
Dude this guy who made this video i must say congrats on making this amazing video even though it was made a long tima ago it must have taken super long and been super busy doing this also this video deserves more views than anyone just saying i appreciate this I'm a jak fan love these games this video deserves alot more attention just saying
This is my favorite game of all time! A great storyline. Idc what anybody says, a Jak and Daxter reboot would be amazing and would kill the competition. I'm surprised they didn't do more with the brand, It was a best-seller. They could've had tv shows and everything. Hell I'd even take a live action film. I feel like they kind of dropped the ball with this one. I loved Last Of Us but I'd rather have a new Jak and Daxter....and not another damn Crash Bandicoot game!
Your commentary was funny and it was good! Thanks for explaining it all, some things I didn't know. I didn't even think you'd include the racing game, and I didn't know about the new frontier game. Thanks for going into all the lore
@ 7:42-8:00 about "Mar the Great": Yup, Jak would of been future king of Haven City if his father Damas, former rightful king of Haven City was not betrayed by Baron Praxis...
I remember the first somewhat and I can't remember if I played part of the second one, but I finally got to see how it ends. Thank you for my friend, you have helped me with an old memory and I couldn't have done it without this video. I do hope you see this comment one day, Thank you once again.
Please tell me I'm right about this! In my opinion, it is the only way the story makes sense: When Jak (originally named Mar by his father Damas after the legendary founder of Haven City) was a kid, The Rebel Underground Movement sent him to the past in order to protect him from Metal Kor and Baron Praxis, following the advice from Onin. The Shadow (Samos Hagai) went to the past with him. They also expected him to grow into a young warrior who would go back to the future to finally defeat Metal Kor. He grew into that young warrior under Samos Hagai's supervision, defeated the evil dark eco sage Gol and his sister Maia and used a precursor device to go back to the future along Daxter, Keira and Samos Hagai and fulfill his destiny (without really knowing it). He time-travelled to a point where the Rebel Underground Movement hadn't sent kid Jak to the past yet (that's why we have two Jaks in Jak II), but he defeated Metal Kor and changed history. Sending kid Jak to the past wasn't necessary anymore as Kor and Praxis had already been defeated and the city was safe. Jak did send kid Jak and young Samos to the past anyway, so they could live a happy life in a more peaceful world. Both of them lived in Sandover Village forever, but the original Jak, Daxter, Keira and Samos Hagai stayed in the future (home to Jak and Samos Hagai but not to Daxter and Keira). The story continues with Jak 3 and Jak X.
+JPM Pranks No, not quite. The events as you describe them are almost on point, but the Jak we know and love and the kid Jak we meet in Jak II are not different people from different timelines. They are the exact same person. Looking at this from kid Jak's perspective, he met this older Underground hero called Jak who defeated Kor and saved the city. Then the kid went with Samos back to the past where he grew up to become that same Jak, going through the adventure against Gol and Maia and eventually travelling back to the future where he went on to be the older Jak who defeated Kor. It's a complete loop.
+Xackadee Thanks for the quick answer bro! I always read about the "loop theory" but still doesn't make sense to me. I'll give you my 3 reasons: 1. They say kid Jak was sent to the past to hide from Kor. At the end of Jak II they send him back in time, but not to hide from Kor, because Kor had already been defeated by Jak. Therefore, the original reason must have been the one I said. It was the Underground, cause Kor was too much to deal with for them. 2. If the "loop theory" is the truly one, how did Samos let Jak go back to the point of the future where Kor is still alive when Jak II starts? Kor had already been defeated and Samos knew everything that happened at the end of Jak 2. It doesn't make any sense that he lets Jak get into the "loop". 3. Before all the time-travelling started, kid Jak was the only Jak in any reality, I suppose. How could adult Jak rescue him and send him to the past then? Someone must had sent a young Jak back in time before. He just can't come from a past where he didn't even exist and send himself back in time. It's impossible.
Basically, that loop theory says that the world of Jak & Daxter was created with that loop inside, everything spins around it and there's no explanation on how the damn loop starts, cause it's always been like that. It exists just because. There's a Jak in the past (The Precursor Legacy) and another one in the future (Kid Jack from Jak II) and that makes no fuckin' sense cause there cannot be two Jacks at first. So Jak can't send kid Jak to the past in the first place and start the loop! Hope you understand what I tried to explain haha
+JPM Pranks I'll tackle each of them in turn. 1. Bear in mind, who was it that tells the viewer that young Jak was hidden? It was Kor. The very one who dies to older Jak. He likely wasn't expecting to die in their battle, so what he says is his understanding of where Young Jak was going to go in order to result in the history playing out in front of him. What's more important is what we're told by Samos directly after the battle. He informs Keira and his younger self that the rift rider she's built is the exact same one they rode at the start of the game and that Young Samos needs to take the younger Jak back in time to fulfill his destiny of being the Jak who just saved the world. Jak himself even makes a remark about what he remembers from when he was so young. 2. I don't understand your point here. The opposite of what you're saying makes the most sense. Samos says at the start of Jak II when Jak activates the rift rider that he knows Jak will make it work. Samos _has_ seen the events that take place later on. He _does_ know that Jak will travel to the future and defeat Kor. That's exactly why he needs to let destiny take its course and keep Jak on the path that history has laid out for him. He would be deliberately trying to maintain the loop, or else how will Kor be defeated? How will the world be saved? How will time be preserved? 3. It's perfectly possible. It's the whole point of the loop. Jak came from the past because he was sent to the past by his older self who saved him as a child after arriving in that time after being sent to the future because he came from the past because he was sent to the past by his older self who saved him as a child after arriving in that time after being sent to the future because he came from the past because he was sent to the past by his older self who saved him as a child after arriving in that time after being sent to the future because he came from the past because he was sent to the past by his older self who saved him as a child after arriving in that time after being sent to the future because... You get the idea. There was just a young Jak up until the older Jak arrived, after which there were two Jaks up until young Jak got sent into the past. After that, there was only one Jak again. History became realligned.
+Xackadee Thank you very much for the explanation man. Then there's been a loop since the beginning of the story but we don't really know how it started; it's always been like that. Jak goes to the future, defeats Kor and sends his younger self back in time to defeat Kor again and again and again. Therefore we can say that there are multiple realities and Kor has to die in all of them. The kid Jak sent to the past at the end of Jak II will travel to his future when he grows up to find another kid Jak and another Kor, so it can't be the same timeline of our Jak, the one who continues his adventures in Jak 3, cause in this timeline there's no more Kor (dead) nor kid Jak (sent to the past) in his present and it doesn't make any sense sending kid Jak to the past at the end of Jak II to fulfill his destiny cause Kor has already been defeated. It's like, kid Jak and young Samos would be reviving Kor by going to the past of Jak's timeline when Kor has already been defeated. They should not be going there. They should stay with Jak, Daxter, Keira and Samos to avoid more loops and more Kors. They would never see Kor again. That's why I think they're sent to another reality, dimension or whatever you wanna call it and not to our Jak's past, cause that's stupid. My head's gonna explode hahaha
I absolutely loved reliving this series. Though I did really enjoy the branch they took with Jak 2&3, I really wish there would have also been a branch into what the original game would have been if it wasn't all transdimensional and all.
I love your videos, thanks for taking the time to make them! My only feedback is.. don't apologize for anything, the fact that you make these at all is really fun and takes a lot of time so dont let commenters tell you you "talk to fast" ^_^
You forgot to add the part where somewhere in the 'future' - really a relative term at this point for Jak - he goes back in time and creates the house of Mar, effectively making him his own ancestor.
Jak isn't Mar. He was named after Mar but he isn't the same person as him. That was never confirmed and the very fact that it would make him his own ancestor is why it cannot be true.
He's from the 'future' in comparison to Jak and Daxter's time era where they were raised in Sandover Village, which is the relative past. And yes, he is 'THE MAR', the precursors confirmed that at the end of Jak III. He can be his own ancestor/descendant. In Jak II the precursors said that only one of Mar's bloodline could open the tomb and face the trials. Mar is Mar, Mar is thus one of Mar's own bloodline. Mar doesn't have to have been born in the far distant past. Damas is a 'descendant'/part of the bloodline of Mar, but his son, named 'Mar', supposedly honoring his ancestor - who is really Jak. It's not inconceivable that since at the end of Jak III - Jak meets the precursors, saves them/the world essentially from the dark precursors and the metal heads, /BEFRIENDS/ the precursors which was a huge plot point about Mar's history in Jak II - that Jak goes farther into the past KNOWING he is Mar and establishes the House of Mar. The Jak and Daxter storytelling is based off of circular time-based narration. IE - Kiera knew how to build the rebuild the rift rider because she had seen it before at the end of Jak and Daxter. Samos knew what Jak had to do in Jak II's timeline because he had seen what Jak had done. Jak knew how to create the eco grid because 'Mar' had already built it and he had seen Vin use it. He knew how to create Haven City and know that it needed protecting because history had already spelled out that Mar had already done it. I don't give a crap what the Wikia articles say - anyone can 'fix' those - it says in the game that it is confirmed that Jak is /The Mar/.
Where does it confirm that in-game? And no, nobody can just "fix" a wiki to say whatever they want it to say. It has to be confirmed by Admins and they tend to require sources for huge claims like that otherwise the change does not go through. My source? I edit wikis very often. Nobody is just going to let change whatever the fuck you want, Lol.
mangenkyokakashi Nope. None of that was ever confirmed. You're embracing your own theories too much to the point where you believe them to be truth despite the lack of actual facts backing you up. I don't say that as a wiki reader, I say that as a fan of the games. If someone of Mar's bloodline is required to open the tomb, then Jak being a descendant of Mar would make him qualify. The Precursors hav always been around, so their friendship with Mar is just as possible with him as a past figure. Mar didn't have to have seen his future work in order to build it in the first place. There's nothing against the idea that it was traditionally designed. You want to talk circles? How about the more logical idea that Jak's real name being Mar is not only the in-universe reason of him being named in tribute after Mar, but also that he's paralleling him in a number of ways, such as being a friend to the Precursors and stopping the Metal Heads. It's going too far to declare they're the same person, especially when that would make Jak his own ancestor, which is physically impossible, not to mention stupid. Until confirmed otherwise, they are two different people. Leave it at that.
I've played these series in my childhood and I didn't knew English language very well back then (Im from EU) so I didn't understand the story (only some parts of It) so this video helped me understand Jak franchise to the fullest. (I didn't have the chance to play the game again after I learnt eng). Thank you Xackadee :)
So this is what you were working on all this Xack. Great vid as always, you must really put a lot of effort into these "what is" vids since they're really your best imo. Can't wait to see what series you try to tackle next. Hope you're doing well too.
I only played the first game and always wanted to find out what was beyond the door and it's been like I think 10 years later. I think, and now I finally know after all this waiting all this time. Rest in peace jak and Dexter 🙏
It was long , but it was also informative , I sat there and watched it all , I played this as a kid and always wondered what happened , now I know , thank you
Played and completed all three, amazing amazing games. My favourite is actually Jak 2, just being in Haven city is awesome. Now the real question, did anyone play the 'Daxter' game on PSP? :D
dude thanks a lot for this videos its been ages since i played the games and didnt remeber the story quite well it was a very good video that brought up some nostalgic feelings
One thing I've never understood is, shouldn't Old Samos in Jak and Daxter know everything that's going to happen in Haven City? Seeing as he is the Young Samos that came from Haven City in the first place?
Yes, but if you remember, Old Samos spends most of Jak II locked up in prison. He's only freed in the remaining third and he spends that remaining third trying to get everybody to listen to him only to end up arguing with his younger self.
Hmm I guess but tbh that feels liks pretty lazy writing to "prevent" Samos from just saying like "hey guys the kid is Jak and Kor is the metalhead leader" for instance ^^
TiroX In those cases, Samos was deliberately holding back that information. Though then again, I don't think Samos ever met Kor nor did he know that he was really the metal head leader. But at least in the case of Jak, I think he knew things would work out without him needing to reveal that and that everybody would find out about it at the right time. It's not like anybody's lives hung in the balance of that revelation. (I mean, Vin's life did end because of Kor's betrayal, but again, I don't think Samos knew about Kor).
Yeah I think the best explanation is that Samos is simply holding back on telling them things because he knows things will work out.. (Because they already have? TIME PARADOX! :D)
Xackadee Yeah I agree that Samos had to hold back because otherwise he could have changed the whole timeline. He definitely knew about Kor though but yeah he already knew that everything would work out so he did not say anything. But a quote of Samos kind of makes it obvious that he knows everything. At the start of Jak II while they are in the time rift thing Samos screams after they fell of the machine: "Find yourself Jak". He means child version of him, who is the key to all the events, because he is able to open the precursor egg.
@Xackadee Thanks so much bro I watched your Kingdom Hearts summary when it came out and just now watched this one. You did a great job summarizing and made it very enjoyable to watch! And although your Kingdom Hearts video was great, you did even better on this one! And your voice is kind of therapeutic to listen to haha. 10/10
I miss this series! I want a Jak 4 on PS4 but nope, let's make more stupid ass M-rated shooters! Thank God we're getting a Crash Bandicoot trilogy HD remaster. I finally have a reason to get a PS4 for Christmas, this year. Last year I got an Xbox One.
"In an alternate Universe" I love it, Lost Frontier is one of those fourth games of a series that people like to ignore, like Spyro Enter the Dragonfly, and Crash bandicoot The Wrath of Cortex.
As many people have already said, PLEASE DO RATCHET AND CLANK! It's by far one of my favorite franchises and the original PS2 games still hold up extremely well even to this day. That being said, I never got around to the PS3 games because I never really heard good things about them. So it would be amazing if you could go over its story as I don't think it would be too hard. They are pretty straightforward games. Also, you did an amazing job on this video. You covered every game, you were very thorough about them, and used better pacing when talking. Great job!
John Smith You didn't? Sure, every game since a Crack in Time was so-so but the Future trilogy was excellent, in my opinion. Anyway, yeah. This sounds like a promising idea and it's definitely something I can manage. I will almost certainly do that series.
Bruh, love the work and effort you put into making these videos and I think you should keep making these type of vids where you summarise the storyline of a popular game series because as a child, I remember playing these games like kingdom hearts and jack and Dexter, knowing these games but not understanding its amazing storyline was a bit sad but after seeing your summary videos really helped and it's just really good having these nostalgic feels from childhood games. Here's a list game series you could try playing and doing a story summary as well: BIOSHOCK MASS EFFECT FINAL FANTASY ELDER SCROLLS RATCHET & CLANK METAL GEAR SOLID RESIDENT EVIL UNCHARTED
Capitan Campione I haven't played Bioshock 1, but I guess it's not impossible down the line. Mass Effect is a good one, but I'll need to account for all the branching paths. Final Fantasy is not a sequential series. The games don't all take place in the same universe with the same characters. But you have given me another idea for it. I don't know where to start with the Elder Scrolls. Ratchet and Clank would be a very good one. Metal Gear Solid is a popular suggestion. I'll wait until the Phantom Pain is out and replay the series chronologically beforehand though. I've never played the Resident Evil games. Uncharted would be another simple and fun one. Worth a shot. Thanks for the suggestions and thank you for enjoying my content too. I really appreciate it.
The main thing that needs to happen with this series is 1 more game a sort of standalone game, one that focuses on the house of Mar, with Mar being the main character, maybe discovering the Metal Heads for the first time and enacting his great plan to build Haven City, the shield wall, and hide the Precursor stone. It'd have to take place on the other side of the world and 5 years before the events of Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy, to allow for enough worldbuilding and so things could eventually come full circle canonically speaking.
So like, a Jak and Daxter Simarillion? A lore focused prequel that's a bit detached from the story and characters that we know to focus on the world's backstory? I'd be down with that! I miss the demolition duo, but honestly I also really miss the world and it's a world that deserves the chance to be more carefully fleshed out. You can tell Naughty Dog prioritised having fun with the series over thinking it through and while that was nice, it would really be good to get more deets on things like Mar and the Precursors.
lots of news of this game coming back and be continued, so i had to watch this. this game was my childhood, im 19 now and so excited as more and more talk is being discussed and leaked and i cannot wait ;)
I've got another question! In the 1st Jak and Daxter Jak used Light eco to defeat the enemy But the light eco could also turn daxter into his original self again But in Jak 3 couldnt Jak like use light Eco to make Daxter Human again Isnt that what Daxter wanted ?
I think there are a couple of things behind that. The first is that the light eco in Jak 1 is actually referred to as white eco if I remember right. There is a certain difference between it and the eco seen in Jak 3. This could just be a discrepancy in Naughty Dog's designs, however, resulting in an inconsistancy despite them being the same thing. There's also the fact that the eco _might_ have been able to change Daxter back, but we don't know that for a fact. It's possible it was never an option. And finally there's the fact that it wasn't really what Daxter wanted. As much as Daxter complains about being 2 feet tall and fuzzy, he makes a big play even at the end of Jak 1 of having grown accustomed to his condition. At the end of Jak 3, the precursors offer to give him anything he wants, strongly implying they can and will change him back. Daxter just asks for pants.
Awesome game and incredible writing. Fun story with twists and turns through the years. Lots of questions left unanswered and up to the players imagination . Would have liked one more game but think writing team found a good place to at least tie it up
Number of power cells need to cross fire canyon-20 Number need to battle Klaww-45 Number need to access Snowy Mountain-47 Number need to cross Lava Tube-72 Number need to unlock the gate-100 Note: Daxter will have two different responses after finding the gate
Thanks for reviewing this game. Your explanation was very clear and entertaining especially since I was confused with Jak 2 and 3, but I LOVED the games so much! Great Job M8
UndertakerU2ber they basically said it's never happening, naughty dog said "the stories we create now are more adult" ...even though there's going to be a remastered crash bandicoot, that said there's always hope for jak 4
naughty dog tried, but their current team don't have the heart to make a proper 5th game(I count Jak X a worthy sequel even if it was a race game). HOWEVER there is hope, a company by the name of Sanzaru games did pretty well with sly cooper, if anyone should be given the task of making a 5th Jack and Daxter game(done right), I'd put my faith in them.
AzurenGamer yeah, alot of people have said it will most likely be after Crash, I'm getting platinum trophy for all of the games and I've missed jak and daxter so much, I would count X too as it has some what of a story, it's obviously after jak 3, But the lost frontier....lets brush dark daxter under the rug, haha
AzurenGamer Seriously though... Sanzaru is literally saving game series left and right. First Sly, then Sonic Boom (cause whoo Big Red Button), and who knows what's next. Hopefully Jak though
perhaps its because Sanzaru actually tries to stay true to the license, I don't about the sonic boom one but thieves in time definitely felt like a true sequel to the trilogy especially when you compare it to Spyro's and crash's next gen game after their trilogy, rather than milk the title for money an produce garbage or be burdened by a deadline Sanzaru gave sly cooper the time to make an polish the game, it may have not been amazing but it could've been ruined like the others and instead survived where great game characters fell and has a chance for a bright future.
thanks for explaining it all i mean i knew all of it up to the last frontier because i couldn't play more than 20 minutes of it because it's garbage. so yes i try to forget it exists. great series
Excellent video man, very well spoken. since I found out The Jak and Daxter trilogy as well as Jak X are all getting a remaster for PS4 this year, I just been surfing through Jak and Daxter vids.
This video seems to have had a surprising surge of comments recently, so first of all, glad you're all enjoying the video!
Second of all though, a lot of these comments tend to ask a lot of the same or similar questions, so I'm posting this here to clear up a number of things:
1. A lot of people have asked me where Daxter is, as in the PSP game that takes place during the two years Daxter was without Jak at the start of Jak II. I did mention its events and there is footage of it at 4:55. But yes, I didn't cover it in that much detail. My bad. Reason was its events were kinda filler by nature and I didn't think going over it in too much detail was too relevant, but in hindsight, its events were still worth going over more thoroughly and I ought to have at least name-dropped the characters. I do regret that and I honestly apologise. Not much of an "entire story" without it, after all.
2. YES. I did forget to mention that Jak's real name is Mar. When Damas is dying in Jak's arms, he tells him to find his son and that his name is Mar. Since Jak is Damas' son, that makes his birth name Mar. Totally slipped my mind even though I set up who Mar was earlier in the video for that purpose. However. this does lead into my next point...
3. NO. Jak is not the same Mar of legend. I understand why people who know Jak 3 are under that impression, so I'll explain. In the game's ending, Jak tells the precursors to go by his first name, Mar. Ashelin reacts by saying "Wait, Jak is Mar? THE Mar?" Her questions go unanswered, though Seem can be seen nodding in response to the first one. But because of her questions that the game obviously draws attention to, it seems like there's an implication that Jak is the same person as Mar, the founder of Haven City. Time travel does exist in this universe and Jak is tight with the precursors, so it's not impossible. Or is it? But why else would Jak's name be Mar? Here's three things to take into account:
- Jak needed a significant birth name.
As I point out in the video, the name Jak itself is part of a closed time loop. Nobody named him that and nobody knew the kid's name before they knew he was Jak from the future. So when we meet Jak's birth father, he's going to need to find out his actual name. Considering the lore of the J&D universe, the real question is why _wouldn't_ they call him Mar. To name him after any other character would only cause a lot of confusion, to have his birth name be Jak would be an odd and contrived coincidence and to name him something else entirely would just be random. "Find my son, Bob." So Jak's name is Bob? Cool, I guess. No, they named him after Mar because he's a legendary figure in the series history and Jak, as the hero of his time, carries on his grand legacy as his successor, which lends Jak as a character more significance in his origins that tie in nicely to his role as our hero. This is also quite literal as the next thing is...
- Mar is Jak's ancestor.
Damas is not uncertain about this. He named Jak after the founder of his bloodline. Mar was the ruler of Haven City and that heritage led to Damas before Praxis usurped him. Jak is Mar's direct descendant. I'm all for closed time loops, but Jak being his own ancestor is too far. That's a cartoonishly silly and unrealistic idea. Some may be willing to entertain it; I personally am not.
- There is no concrete evidence.
While Ashelin brings up the idea, which I imagine Naughty Dog did to tease fans about it with no plans to confirm anything... nothing is confirmed. There's no actual confirmation, no proof, no guarentees and not even that many hints when you really examine it. The fact is, there are no facts on this subject, so while the topic is still very up in the air - like most parts of this series' lore - that doesn't mean it's a sure thing. And if you ask me, there's more evidence against Jak being Mar than there is for.
I mean, can't Mar just be another guy? Why does Jak have to do everything? Seriously, let lore be lore. That's my take on it, I guess.
4. And no, Jak didn't go on many adventures with the precursors before returning to Daxter at the end of the last cutscene in 3 via time travel. Where do people keep getting that idea? The heavy implication of Jak 3's ending is that he never left because he couldn't bear to leave without Daxter. Hence also why he looks exactly the same.
5. So Jak X has stats for all its characters, confirming that Jak is 15 years old in the first Jak and Daxter game, and Keira is one year younger than him, making her 14 in TPL. (Yes, that's right folks. Those of you who made rather "fond" comments about Keira, you know who you are - that's a 14 year old.) What people have asked is, if she's one year younger than Jak and Jak looks to be at least one year old as a kid in Jak II, how did Samos have her as his daughter after travelling back to the past? The answer is... I don't know. Time travel shenanigans is my best bet. To be frank, it's obvious that Naughty Dog never really thought through stuff like the character ages or how they correlate to the time travel. They aged up Jak in II but they didn't bother to do the same for Keira. We've never even heard anything about Keira's mother, other than the classic "You're just like your mother" comment. My point is, many aspects of this series were not airtight in the slightest, so don't lose sleep over it.
6. For those who don't know, The Lost Frontier was a sequel to the series that was initially worked on by Naughty Dog (and there's even unfinished cutscenes from when they were working on it that has their animation style, writing and Jak with his original voice actor). But somewhere along the way, ND handed the reigns over to High Impact Games, who took over and made it into the PS2/PSP game it is today. Now, to be fair, it's not that bad. And bless the poor guys at HIG for being asked to live up to _Naughty Dog_ of all companies. Game development is a hard business and taking _anyone_ else's property and taking responsibility of it is a hard job no matter what the medium, especially when it has a popular following already. So do cut the guys some slack.
That said... Yeah. The story was a cliche mess, the characters weren't quite themselves, the gameplay was a downgrade and it just didn't feel like a Jak and Daxter game. And Jak's voice actor was changed for some reason. It's disappointing, but it's an alright game with some parts that I do genuinely like. There's just a lot more that as a J&D fan, I can't like.
7. Only two people have brought this up, but I might as well cover this too. Yes, Ashelin and Jak did kiss at the end of Jak 3. The reason for that, considering both of them already had a thing going with Torn and Keira respectively (for two games straight, in Jak's case)? Because something was up with Keira in Jak 3. Like, in a meta sense. Her voice actress changed, her model was altered, but to a barely different degree and I think as a result of both those things, her role was MASSIVELY reduced. She's barely in 3. There are like three scenes that she's in and you could take her out of at least two of them without anything changing. But we can't have Jak without a love interest, right? So Ashelin became a massive character all of a sudden, playing off Jak as a romantic lead just so that someone can. This was effectively undone in Jak X after fans rightfully called Naughty Dog out on the two of them being out of character and the ships were realigned, if you want to think of it like that.
So much about this annoys me. Hopefully you can see why I didn't bring any of it up in the video.
If you have any other questions, do let me know!
5. Remember in jak 2 opening, that jak and daxter got separated from keira and samos during time travelling, and they do not seem to arrive at the same time in Haven.
So keira doesnt have to be 14 in the first game. She could be 12 while jak was 15, but arrived to Haven a couple of years before jak, thus their age difference was reduced.
@RetsuPoop First one is here:
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It's only 15 seconds, but it shows Jak and Dax taking down a robot, not unlike they do in the final game, for Tym.
Then there's the second one. The heartbreaker:
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Jak and Daxter delivering the part from the robot. This one scene, which we don't even see the end of, makes Tym into a far more interesting and entertaining character than final game Tym ever was. I love every single one of his lines and his dynamic with Jak and Daxter was excellent. I weep for his loss.
The implication is that Jak is actually Mar. But not the one that builds Haven City. That would be the little version of himself that he sent to the past. The time travel in this series has it constantly stuck in a loop where little Jak is sent back in time by big Jak, little Jak grows up into Mar and creates Haven City where big Jak sends little Jak back in time, but this time he grows up and gets sent to the future, where the events of Jak 2 take place and he sends little Jak back in time, so forth and so on. The events between little Jak arriving in the past and the end of Jak 2 are taking place infinitely and alternating with each occurrence.
That's the issue with time travel plots. There's either never an end or never a beginning to the loop. In this case there isn't a beginning. There is never a "first" Jak because in order for him to go back in time, there must be a Haven City, but in order for there to be a Haven City, he must have gone back in time.
At least that's my take on it. I don't think they'd drop the massive twist that Jak was Mar for it to just be convenient naming. And it hardly destroys the mysticism of the lore. Jak was a supreme hero, a being capable of wielding light eco before he was corrupted in 2. We never got to see a fully matured, pure Jak. That version of Jak could have been perfectly capable of founding and leading Haven City.
@@Gimfigle496 Okay, that's a nice idea, but literally nothing implies any of that. Your theory is complete conjecture with no evidence that would still end up suggesting that Jak is his own ancestor.
In fact, it would even suggest that two Jak's and Samos' existed at the same time, since Mar held back the metal heads shortly after they first appeared, which was when Jak opened the rift gate at the start of Jak 2. I know that much isn't impossible but it's another unlikely element with nothing supporting it. Sorry, but I don't buy that.
@@Xackadee Complete conjecture? His name is Mar and it's made out to be a big deal. He also sends himself to a convenient point in time where he very well could be the individual that founds Haven City.
"it would even suggest that two Jak's and Samos' existed at the same time"
Remember that part in Jak 2 where there actually was two Samos and two Jak and all four of them were in the same room?
Like I said, the loop alternates. One where Jak finds himself in the future and one where he does not. Him opening the rift gate and NOT being launched through is a possibility and would set him cleanly down the path of becoming the Mar that holds back the metal heads after they appeared, which would be his own doing, and then founds Haven City. And sure, that would leave him fairly young when he has to do that but he proved himself pretty well throughout the course of Jak 1 and even by the end of Jak 3 he's still only 18.
The jak and daxter trilogy is probably one of the greatest in video game history.
Anyone else agree?
+Christian Ortiz
I agree ! It is the only PS2 trilogy i will never get bored with. And unlike Rachet and Clank, who is my second PS2 Trilogy, it stopped before turning bad on PS3 !
The lost Frontier never happened... IT NEVER HAPPENED !!!
+SamSoul80
The Ratchet and Clank games on PS3 were brilliant up until All 4 One. Plus there's a reboot coming out on PS4 alongside the movie that looks to be pretty good. If Jak and Daxter ever continues on current gen consoles, I'll be the first in line to play them.
At least the Lost Frontier wasn't Naughty Dog's fault, anyway.
Xackadee size matters wasn't that great
Christian Ortiz
Size Matters wasn't on PS3.
+Xackadee Hey..... Did you delete that comment with all the arguments?
"I'm gonna kill Praxis" best.. first words.. EVER!!
Agreed! I love how they made it clear that "yeah, this isn't that jolly sequel you were expecting." 😄
@NohrPaladin in a baby voice or mature voice
Truly is
One of the best ways to introduce a character we hadn’t seen for two years since the first game and one of the best unexpected contrasts of that character and his story
Glad you liked it. I agonized over that first line after we made the (wrong) choice to have the lead character not speak in the first game. We wanted it to “feel” like it was you the player in the lead roll. Not someone else. Didn’t work. We were still inventing / experimenting with new game storytelling techniques back then. It was a lot of fun to joke and play into Jak not talking in game 1, and we winked at the fail in a number of scenes. The first line said it all - Jak had grown up. The world was decidedly more dark. The game and world had shifted into more mature themes. Great fun to make this story evolve over time. The Precursors would be proud. :-)
My childhood condensed into half an hour, I'm 22 now but I still love this series as much as I did all those years ago. Thank you for making this :)
+Craig Stephenson It's an honour. You're welcome!
Craig Stephenson I'm 23 now and I played all of them last year!
Craig Stead-Stephenson u lid it's been 23 years
I'm 17 and those were the very first video games i played on my PS2... i got so much nostalgia now...
coming back at 27 :)
Kid me thought Kira was super hot
Well for 7 year old me she was A1
Same
+Spaceblazer 14? When did they say that?
No ages have ever been explicitly said, but Jak is supposed to be 15 in the Precursor Legacy according to someone somewhere at some point. Given that the kid in Jak II looks like they're at least 2 years old and would probably need to be, timeline-wise, Keira would have to be 13 at the absolute oldest.
It's obvious that Naughty Dog didn't really think all this through.
+Xackadee yes so how can you say she is 14?
I always thought Jak and Daxter would make an awesome tv series.
VeyZ Art
Same here, actually. At the very least, they could be a fun comic book.
+VeyZ Art I think a Jak and daxter tv series would air on nickelodeon, nicktoons, Disney XD or teletoon. (Even though teletoon is a canadian Network)
@@Xackadee i dont get why everyone hates lost frontier, i kinda liked the game (the whole plane things mostly) but it still could have been better i guess (but you are right, the logic does fail in that game)
Omg yes!!
Me too! Perhaps someday. Get the word out. :-) We only got to about a third of the total Precursor legacy story I wanted to tell. As Krew would say, “Ahhhh wellll….” ;-)
wow they dont make games like this anymore
Yooka-Laylee might reverse the tide.
I wouldn't think Yooka-Laylee a game like this but I am hyped for the game
they won't make games like this anymore because they want more money
In which case, they should make more games like this.
If that where the case should they spam out a new tipple A game each year.
But they gave us The Last of Us. One of the biggest games on the PS3.
You can argue and say that they wanted more money when they made The Last of Us: Remastered.
However that game gave me a chance to play this brilliant game for the first time. Also the money could be a big help to make The Last of Us 2
This series will forever be my favorite. I will always love this game and nothing could ever compare to it. Games like this, Ratchet and Clank, Spyro, and Sly Cooper. Wish they’d make more like them.
We will never get games like jak and daxter or ratchet amd clank in the next 100 years. Because all games must look realistic and non cartoony. And the humor in movies and games getting more bad
What a masterpiece of a series. Simple enough for younger people to understand, but complex enough to fully appreciate. Half of me wants a Jak 4 but I would fear that it wouldn't live up to fan expectations, and naughty dog knows this aswell. The charm of this trilogy will always hold a place in my heart
Kind kind words. Thank you. I had so much story left to tell, but then I went on to design, write, and creative direct Uncharted, and I never had a chance to get back to Jak & Daxter. Perhaps their time has come around, and we can do it again. I wrote the series to work with kids, but with deeper adult themes and subtext, so it played on multiple levels. And Max as Daxter was so good (what a talent he is!) He helped it hit everyone’s funny bone, young and old. Ultimately, the series and story was about redemption and friendship. And that nothing is as it seems on the surface. Still water runs deep. :-)
@@e.danielarey5118 Would you return to Naughty Dog? A new Jak and Daxter trilogy for PS5 or PS6 would be amazing.
Many of us loved that adult humor they had from Jak 2 and 3, most of the players who played those games are already adults, Anyway these Jak and Daxter games are for a +16 audience, just like Uncharted.
@@e.danielarey5118
- Who is Keira's mother?
- Is Jak really Mar?
- How did Jak meet Daxter and Keira?
- What happened to the others Sages? Where are they?
- What happened to Daxter's family?
- Who is Jak's mother?
- What happened to the Lurkers?
@@deadlocked5337 and who is Ashelin's mother?
not counting the lost frontier, as a lover of the jak and daxter video, I loved watching this and being able to relive the story in a very good 30 min run down.
+History's Strongest Prince
Cheers! I hope I can keep these videos up.
I didn't think TLF was all that bad. It certainly didn't feel like a Jak and Daxter game, and it was certainly not as good as any of the other games, but I had fun with it nonetheless.
+Bel-Shamharoth if i remember correctly, it didnt feel like a jak and daxter game because the creator of it wasn't naughty dog. they let some other company create the game
History's Strongest Prince Yeah it was High Impact Games. I still kinda liked it though.
I'll never forget that complete tone and setting shift while i first played Jak 2. As a kid, i wasn't expecting this ! I was blown away. 15 years after, still my favourite series ever. That lore had and will always have something special, a mysterious aura that made you jump into it right away.
The only other games that made me fell like that are the original Halo trilogy. The Forerunners are basically the Precursors. They feel the same, and the "old mysterious technology with amazing constructions of gigantic scale" are totally the same thing.
Glad you liked the tone and theme shift. Sony was unsure at first, but we got them onboard when they saw the city, and the first roughed scenes. I will always be most proud of the cut scenes, that after 4 games added up to a long full length, feature movie! I was obsessed with getting the best performances directing the VO, and the actors all knocked it out of the park! I have them to thank for taking my okay dialogue, and making it soar. Max Cassella. Tara Strong. Phil LaMarr. Clancy Brown. Many others. I was lucky to get to work with such talent! And the ND scene animation crew went above and beyond. Some of those scenes were beyond special by the end. A whole evolving, connected story. Great times and memories. Hope I can do more with J&D someday.
considering "forerunner" and "precursor" mean the same thing yeah it's not surprising they're similar LMAO.
PLEASE GOD LET THERE BE A
JAK AND DAXTER 4
iPRBLMZ its not gonna happen unfortunately..... Naughty dog have moved on to better things....*the last of us part 2* cough
Hassnain Khalid they said they're not interested in another installment due to their current projects but they said in the future they'll consider picking back up on the series
Jak and Daxter: The lost Frontier?
PRBLMZ YES PLEASE, THERE BETTER BE A JAK 4!
Ivo the Moth Don't fucking mention that abomination. I was so disappointed with that game, they completely abandoned Jak's personality and ignored everything about the world. You could argue the same for Jak 2 suddenly changing everything from the original game. Difference is. Jak 2 didn't fucking suck, and the new change added to the game.
Fun summary of the story. Thanks for doing it. I had a lot of fun writing it and directing the voice actors. I was wondering if anyone caught the little moment at the end of Jak 3 where clearly Jak was in the Precursor ship that launched. And then suddenly he appeared behind Daxter and Tess. He decided to stay behind with Daxter in a reversed nod to the third game’s opening scene. Or did he? ;-) How did Jak pull off that trick?! Ship blasts off. No doors opening. Suddenly Jak instantly appears behind Daxter!?! I wanted to hint something there and see if anyone caught it… Did Jak go on adventures with the Precursors, then jump back in time to the exact moment he left? Also, not sure if it was an intended compliment, but I’ll take the M. Night comparison. I added a lot of twists and overlapping time elements to the series, and I very much respect reversals and reveals like that. So yes, I was channeling a little M. Night. :-) And I’m very proud of the Jak and Damos final scene. Well acted. (I was obsessed with the VO sessions, and everyone turned in great performances.) That Damos death scene and Jak’s reaction after finding out Damos was his father could have won an Oscar…er…if they awarded them to game scenes. Fun memories and a wild story over 4 games. Jak even aged across the games, if you noticed. I’d love to design and write another one in that series. I miss it. And Max was amazing as Daxter.
My pleasure! I love the Jak and Daxter series and always have!
Yeah, I don't think I've ever had particularly strong opinions on M. Night; I was just making a dumb joke about plot twists since his name is so synonymous with them. But definitely do take it as a compliment! The plot twists of the series were really fun elements of the story to grow up with and probably inspired a lot of my own creativity.
And I couldn't agree more. The voice acting throughout the games was so stellar, but the performances in 3's endgame were phenomenal. I wish we could have heard more! And Max as Daxter has always been such an incredibly iconic performance. I'll never get tired of hearing it.
Great to see a writer in the comments. Why did the Naughty Dog team decide to downplay Keira's role in Jak 3, and make Ashelin Jak's love interest? I thought that was an odd choice.
This was one of the greatest videos I’ve ever seen hands down the way the music changed between games when you spoke about them and the”it’s Vegar!” jokes to hating on the lost frontier. Spectacular.
The video ends at 25:57.
Thank me later
agreed, i played through the joke of a game. it was really bad, such a bad damn game, not many proper bossfights and the last proper one vs the dark mofo was shit.
the peeps who made sly 4 shoulda made a game that continues the jak and daxter series, not the other pricks who just wanted easy money probaply.
I 23:46*.... that racing part was crap too
Joppiseni did you like the crash bandicoot series
Casually Clutching no. No It doesn’t. And neither does the story. But you and the video maker and every other person on the planet hates lost frontier. And at this point it’s just bandwagon
@@joppiseni3710
Sly 4 was fucking terrible
to quote daxter, the more you think about it, the more it hurts your head
No. That's just the second two games with their shitty time travel plot, edgyness, and plot twists.
The first game is pretty wholesome and simple to understand. Fuck the other two games tbh
Maxwell Edison as a kid I just went with it. But playing now, they completely abandoned the feel of the first game for a more free roam gta style game lol. If GTA 3 never takes off, Jak II is completely different.
Funny how it's the most edgy sounding vidya nostaltards that complain about edgyness.
Can't believe this is still the best video out there on the lore!
Great, just great. The flow was amazing, and everything was described so well.
My favourite line is
Mizo - "You have a habit of leaving people to die don't you?"
Jak - (pause) "...You get used to it"
Explosion 💥💥
My favourite duo is Jak and Daxter, but this moment really captured the seasoned and gritty side of Jak. From a Pure young lad in Jak and Daxter to blood-filled Renegade in Jak 2 and then a Outcast Hero in Jak 3. Jak and Daxter have really seen it all.
The OG trilogy had an amazing story holy shit.
2:10
Jak is totally looking a Kira's ass.
No doubt about it.
+TheHeroOfLight yeah he wants to tap that
+TheHeroOfLight Who wouldn't, lol.
+TheHeroOfLight He does it several times in the game. It's one of the aspects of the game people are clueless to.
+TheHeroOfLight When I played Jak 1 I did notice this, he does it every time actually :)
+TheHeroOfLight He is not the only one ;)
I played Jak & Daxter, Jak 2, and Jak 3, but never beat Jak 2, nor got into Daxter or the other games that left this franchise to end with a whimper. Seven years down the line from you making this video, and now I can be at peace, knowing the how the plot threads of Jak 2 and 3 connect, and what became of the franchise on its last few installments. Thank you, random internet stranger.
So, as a kid, I played the absolute hell out of Jak 3. I had a "totally legal copy" that I bought three times because I broke the disc. Anyway, I LOVED Jak 3. It was and is a brilliant game. The guns were a lot of fun, the vehicles and unlockables were great, the areas were nice to walk around in and damn it I spent a long time shooting civilians and the like, just because I found it funny, haha. I didn't get to appreciate the story until older me went and got a PS Vita and played the remaster or whatever it was called. Then I realized how good the dialogue and story were.
Jak 2 was a lot of fun too. I didn't play it nearly as much and still haven't given it a try since. Also had a "legal" copy and it would break and freeze all of the time. I recall liking it a lot none the less, however I don't remember too much.
I had a REAL copy of Jak X, but I never got to appreciate it too much either, because by that point, my PS2 was having major issues, and I could not save it. I... I did like it, even though it was a very different styled game. It felt more gritty, at least and like I said, I liked the vehicles in Jak 3 so I could appreciate them here in Jak X too.
Percusor Legacy was pretty good too. More "child friendly" platforming here, which I played on the remaster thingo (I need to go find it and play through them all again). I loved the environments and all that, I know that much. Eco was a lot of fun, as it was in the games I played before it.
I feel like my older brother played The Lost Frontier. I don't think he liked it much.
I never played Dextar, I don't have a PSP.
This video made me smile, really. Nostalgia and my love of this series really made this video a great watch. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some games to play!
UPDATE: I found my PS Vita, it is absolutely COVERED in dust and crap. Found the cover for the Jak and Dextar Collection, have yet to find the game... Steins Gate, which I forgot I even had, was in the game slot.
UPDATE 2: Found the game! May edit this later with a better analysis. Wish I could get Jak X and even Daxter though...
I played The last Frontier and it's gameplay wise a nice game.
5 years ago… have you played the games since? I had a PS4 a few years ago and played through the collection. I transitioned to Xbox since then and I’ve been thinking of picking up a cheap PlayStation to replay these games
@@tylerm5431 Hey there! Thanks for commenting all this time later.
Yes, I sure have played the games since. In fact, last year, I played Jak 2 from start to finish for the first time ever. I played bits of it (also on an illegal copy) but the game was buggy at best, so it would keep freezing. Likely due to the fact that I didn't take care of the disc.
In any case, last year I played through the Jak and Daxter collection, starting with Jak 2. It was a lot of fun, and definitely made me appreciate the series that much more.
It had a couple of difficult parts, at least for me. The hoverboard missions pissed me off, and that fat dude Krew... He annoyed me as well.
I managed to beat the game though and thoroughly enjoyed it.
I played a bit of Jak 3 again, but didn't complete it due to losing my focus, or hyper focusing on another game.
Great games though, we need more, and we need them now. Or when they are done cooking, we do not want a rushed Jak game.
Such a well done video, with the soundtrack of each game applied during the game’s explanation. Awesome job! Oh yea, forgot to mention Vin was alive (kinda) in Jak 3!
This is great man. Jak and Daxter is my favorite series I just got done with my speed run of jak 3. I found this to be right on point the whole way. Its was hilarious and at the end when you brought up that alternate universe jak, oh I lost it
"And in an alternate universe..."
Thank you for that. I was laughing throughout that entire bit.
This was done SO WELL, thank you, I watched the cutscenes of 2 and 3 and then watched this because that's how much I miss this game. I never did get much done in the first, but the gold that was 2 and 3 shines as one of my favorite child hood memories to look back on. Thank you again, Cheers
Dang got recommended an ancient video. I always liked the Jak is Mar theory they teased at the end of 3 because it made me want another game where we go back in time and get to build haven city while battling metalheads. Because really I like metalheads and wanted more of them, no real theorycrafting was going on in my little kid brain I just wanted more armoured alien dinosaur insects.
Still do by the way.
At this point it's pretty clear there's not going to be another Jak title, but I for one would really like a full remake. Not a remaster. A remake. Redo everything, fix the tiny discrepancies like the ages not exactly lining up, Ashelin suddenly becoming a love interest in the third game, and other such things. Make the most annoying parts of Jak 2 less of a slog to get through (it's not a particularly hard or difficult game, just has some very annoying bits that go on for just a tad too long making them a slog to get through) Conversely, Jak 3 should be a bit less of a breeze to get through, I think they overcompensated for Jak 2 being annoying at times a bit too much for that one. Expand the world a bit. Like a larger desert that actually connects to haven city but you aren't allowed in because reasons until you are, more tiny winding streets in the city to explore, more vehicle types, minigames, secrets, easter eggs, etc, etc.
And most importantly. More metalheads.
I love metalheads too. Always a nice feeling/sound if they drop crystals and you picked them up.
@@jugger6228 tink tink tink tink :D
Very nicely done with this video, lad. Summed up this epic franchise quite well. 🖤 This has been my quarantine go-to. The first three are so good!
We do not mention the last frontier that doesn't exist
Jak2bossbf3 I don't understand that. Why not?
Why? Because it is not made by the same developers and the biggest reason... It's trash. It is nothing like the first 3 games and Jak X and shouldn't even have the name Jak and Daxter. The community tries to forget that it even exists.
Brando Cackers That game was a literal sin for the franchise. It is so bad, you can't even imagine. I tried to enjoy that whole game but I fucking couldn't. It's that bad. And wtf is that story?! No sorry. I will never acknowledge it's existence in the franchise. Not to forget that it's a spin-off and not counting in the actual timeline and chronology.
It is a spin-off
Don't worry, the lost frontier is non cannon.
You were THOROUGHLY enjoyable to listen to. Funny in the right spots, and when you got to the lost frontier I lost it completely. This was great.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed and that's really encouraging to hear!
An imperfect explanation of the complete story of the Jak series, but it covers the broader strokes pretty well and makes a point of explaining things for people who aren't familiar with the series.
I like it.
Good job on this, can't get enough of this series, Jak has to make a return sometime.
The best collection ever, had them on the ps2, then buyed it again on the ps3, and here I am once again, downloaded on the ps5. I just really love it, especially jak 2 renegade. Thanks for the video ❤
THANK YOU!!!!! That last one does NOT EXIST! Who's with me?
I played Jack 2, 3, & X. I didn't have the others in my collection but I'm happy to see someone to relay the entire game franchise of an enjoyable open world combat game with a interesting narrative that was interconnected until the last one. Thank you so much for abridging the entire franchises history for all five games!
This game was my childhood! I remember when I beat the games I would start all over. That's how amazing the trilogy was. I enjoyed playing Jak X, even when racing games aren't my favorite. As for The Lost Frontier... it doesn't exist. Hopefully Naughty Dog has a possible 4th Jak and Daxter.
Thanks for doing this! The jak and daxter series was such a big part of my childhood! Very nastalgic. Good job!
Dude this guy who made this video i must say congrats on making this amazing video even though it was made a long tima ago it must have taken super long and been super busy doing this also this video deserves more views than anyone just saying i appreciate this I'm a jak fan love these games this video deserves alot more attention just saying
Barely saw this video today, absolutely loved the edits and background music. A lot of nostalgia and a good refresher on the story of Jak and Daxter
This is my favorite game of all time! A great storyline. Idc what anybody says, a Jak and Daxter reboot would be amazing and would kill the competition. I'm surprised they didn't do more with the brand, It was a best-seller. They could've had tv shows and everything. Hell I'd even take a live action film. I feel like they kind of dropped the ball with this one. I loved Last Of Us but I'd rather have a new Jak and Daxter....and not another damn Crash Bandicoot game!
Your commentary was funny and it was good! Thanks for explaining it all, some things I didn't know. I didn't even think you'd include the racing game, and I didn't know about the new frontier game. Thanks for going into all the lore
@ 7:42-8:00 about "Mar the Great": Yup, Jak would of been future king of Haven City if his father Damas, former rightful king of Haven City was not betrayed by Baron Praxis...
These 3 games have a special place in my childhood
The development from chilled out bro to hardened military experiment with Jekyll/Hyde syndrome was BRILLIANT.
I remember the first somewhat and I can't remember if I played part of the second one, but I finally got to see how it ends. Thank you for my friend, you have helped me with an old memory and I couldn't have done it without this video. I do hope you see this comment one day, Thank you once again.
Please tell me I'm right about this! In my opinion, it is the only way the story makes sense:
When Jak (originally named Mar by his father Damas after the legendary founder of Haven City) was a kid, The Rebel Underground Movement sent him to the past in order to protect him from Metal Kor and Baron Praxis, following the advice from Onin.
The Shadow (Samos Hagai) went to the past with him. They also expected him to grow into a young warrior who would go back to the future to finally defeat Metal Kor.
He grew into that young warrior under Samos Hagai's supervision, defeated the evil dark eco sage Gol and his sister Maia and used a precursor device to go back to the future along Daxter, Keira and Samos Hagai and fulfill his destiny (without really knowing it).
He time-travelled to a point where the Rebel Underground Movement hadn't sent kid Jak to the past yet (that's why we have two Jaks in Jak II), but he defeated Metal Kor and changed history. Sending kid Jak to the past wasn't necessary anymore as Kor and Praxis had already been defeated and the city was safe.
Jak did send kid Jak and young Samos to the past anyway, so they could live a happy life in a more peaceful world. Both of them lived in Sandover Village forever, but the original Jak, Daxter, Keira and Samos Hagai stayed in the future (home to Jak and Samos Hagai but not to Daxter and Keira).
The story continues with Jak 3 and Jak X.
+JPM Pranks No, not quite.
The events as you describe them are almost on point, but the Jak we know and love and the kid Jak we meet in Jak II are not different people from different timelines. They are the exact same person.
Looking at this from kid Jak's perspective, he met this older Underground hero called Jak who defeated Kor and saved the city. Then the kid went with Samos back to the past where he grew up to become that same Jak, going through the adventure against Gol and Maia and eventually travelling back to the future where he went on to be the older Jak who defeated Kor. It's a complete loop.
+Xackadee Thanks for the quick answer bro! I always read about the "loop theory" but still doesn't make sense to me. I'll give you my 3 reasons:
1. They say kid Jak was sent to the past to hide from Kor. At the end of Jak II they send him back in time, but not to hide from Kor, because Kor had already been defeated by Jak. Therefore, the original reason must have been the one I said. It was the Underground, cause Kor was too much to deal with for them.
2. If the "loop theory" is the truly one, how did Samos let Jak go back to the point of the future where Kor is still alive when Jak II starts? Kor had already been defeated and Samos knew everything that happened at the end of Jak 2. It doesn't make any sense that he lets Jak get into the "loop".
3. Before all the time-travelling started, kid Jak was the only Jak in any reality, I suppose. How could adult Jak rescue him and send him to the past then? Someone must had sent a young Jak back in time before. He just can't come from a past where he didn't even exist and send himself back in time. It's impossible.
Basically, that loop theory says that the world of Jak & Daxter was created with that loop inside, everything spins around it and there's no explanation on how the damn loop starts, cause it's always been like that. It exists just because.
There's a Jak in the past (The Precursor Legacy) and another one in the future (Kid Jack from Jak II) and that makes no fuckin' sense cause there cannot be two Jacks at first. So Jak can't send kid Jak to the past in the first place and start the loop! Hope you understand what I tried to explain haha
+JPM Pranks I'll tackle each of them in turn.
1. Bear in mind, who was it that tells the viewer that young Jak was hidden? It was Kor. The very one who dies to older Jak. He likely wasn't expecting to die in their battle, so what he says is his understanding of where Young Jak was going to go in order to result in the history playing out in front of him. What's more important is what we're told by Samos directly after the battle. He informs Keira and his younger self that the rift rider she's built is the exact same one they rode at the start of the game and that Young Samos needs to take the younger Jak back in time to fulfill his destiny of being the Jak who just saved the world. Jak himself even makes a remark about what he remembers from when he was so young.
2. I don't understand your point here. The opposite of what you're saying makes the most sense. Samos says at the start of Jak II when Jak activates the rift rider that he knows Jak will make it work. Samos _has_ seen the events that take place later on. He _does_ know that Jak will travel to the future and defeat Kor. That's exactly why he needs to let destiny take its course and keep Jak on the path that history has laid out for him. He would be deliberately trying to maintain the loop, or else how will Kor be defeated? How will the world be saved? How will time be preserved?
3. It's perfectly possible. It's the whole point of the loop. Jak came from the past because he was sent to the past by his older self who saved him as a child after arriving in that time after being sent to the future because he came from the past because he was sent to the past by his older self who saved him as a child after arriving in that time after being sent to the future because he came from the past because he was sent to the past by his older self who saved him as a child after arriving in that time after being sent to the future because he came from the past because he was sent to the past by his older self who saved him as a child after arriving in that time after being sent to the future because... You get the idea.
There was just a young Jak up until the older Jak arrived, after which there were two Jaks up until young Jak got sent into the past. After that, there was only one Jak again. History became realligned.
+Xackadee Thank you very much for the explanation man. Then there's been a loop since the beginning of the story but we don't really know how it started; it's always been like that. Jak goes to the future, defeats Kor and sends his younger self back in time to defeat Kor again and again and again.
Therefore we can say that there are multiple realities and Kor has to die in all of them.
The kid Jak sent to the past at the end of Jak II will travel to his future when he grows up to find another kid Jak and another Kor, so it can't be the same timeline of our Jak, the one who continues his adventures in Jak 3, cause in this timeline there's no more Kor (dead) nor kid Jak (sent to the past) in his present and it doesn't make any sense sending kid Jak to the past at the end of Jak II to fulfill his destiny cause Kor has already been defeated.
It's like, kid Jak and young Samos would be reviving Kor by going to the past of Jak's timeline when Kor has already been defeated. They should not be going there. They should stay with Jak, Daxter, Keira and Samos to avoid more loops and more Kors. They would never see Kor again.
That's why I think they're sent to another reality, dimension or whatever you wanna call it and not to our Jak's past, cause that's stupid.
My head's gonna explode hahaha
I appreciate u so much for this we all do , good shit man don’t stop
I absolutely loved reliving this series. Though I did really enjoy the branch they took with Jak 2&3, I really wish there would have also been a branch into what the original game would have been if it wasn't all transdimensional and all.
I love your videos, thanks for taking the time to make them! My only feedback is.. don't apologize for anything, the fact that you make these at all is really fun and takes a lot of time so dont let commenters tell you you "talk to fast" ^_^
You forgot to add the part where somewhere in the 'future' - really a relative term at this point for Jak - he goes back in time and creates the house of Mar, effectively making him his own ancestor.
Jak isn't Mar. He was named after Mar but he isn't the same person as him. That was never confirmed and the very fact that it would make him his own ancestor is why it cannot be true.
What do you mean by a relative term?
He's from the 'future' in comparison to Jak and Daxter's time era where they were raised in Sandover Village, which is the relative past.
And yes, he is 'THE MAR', the precursors confirmed that at the end of Jak III.
He can be his own ancestor/descendant. In Jak II the precursors said that only one of Mar's bloodline could open the tomb and face the trials. Mar is Mar, Mar is thus one of Mar's own bloodline.
Mar doesn't have to have been born in the far distant past. Damas is a 'descendant'/part of the bloodline of Mar, but his son, named 'Mar', supposedly honoring his ancestor - who is really Jak.
It's not inconceivable that since at the end of Jak III - Jak meets the precursors, saves them/the world essentially from the dark precursors and the metal heads, /BEFRIENDS/ the precursors which was a huge plot point about Mar's history in Jak II - that Jak goes farther into the past KNOWING he is Mar and establishes the House of Mar.
The Jak and Daxter storytelling is based off of circular time-based narration.
IE - Kiera knew how to build the rebuild the rift rider because she had seen it before at the end of Jak and Daxter. Samos knew what Jak had to do in Jak II's timeline because he had seen what Jak had done.
Jak knew how to create the eco grid because 'Mar' had already built it and he had seen Vin use it. He knew how to create Haven City and know that it needed protecting because history had already spelled out that Mar had already done it.
I don't give a crap what the Wikia articles say - anyone can 'fix' those - it says in the game that it is confirmed that Jak is /The Mar/.
Where does it confirm that in-game? And no, nobody can just "fix" a wiki to say whatever they want it to say. It has to be confirmed by Admins and they tend to require sources for huge claims like that otherwise the change does not go through. My source? I edit wikis very often. Nobody is just going to let change whatever the fuck you want, Lol.
mangenkyokakashi Nope. None of that was ever confirmed. You're embracing your own theories too much to the point where you believe them to be truth despite the lack of actual facts backing you up. I don't say that as a wiki reader, I say that as a fan of the games.
If someone of Mar's bloodline is required to open the tomb, then Jak being a descendant of Mar would make him qualify. The Precursors hav always been around, so their friendship with Mar is just as possible with him as a past figure. Mar didn't have to have seen his future work in order to build it in the first place. There's nothing against the idea that it was traditionally designed.
You want to talk circles? How about the more logical idea that Jak's real name being Mar is not only the in-universe reason of him being named in tribute after Mar, but also that he's paralleling him in a number of ways, such as being a friend to the Precursors and stopping the Metal Heads. It's going too far to declare they're the same person, especially when that would make Jak his own ancestor, which is physically impossible, not to mention stupid.
Until confirmed otherwise, they are two different people. Leave it at that.
I've played these series in my childhood and I didn't knew English language very well back then (Im from EU) so I didn't understand the story (only some parts of It) so this video helped me understand Jak franchise to the fullest. (I didn't have the chance to play the game again after I learnt eng). Thank you Xackadee :)
This game is more raunchy then I remember it.
"M. Night Shamalan would be proud."
That was the greatest twist of the entire video.
i need a new jak game badly... even if i have to somehow become the boss of sony so i can force naughty dog to make it!
Forcing a company (especially one that's about games) is not a really good idea.
So this is what you were working on all this Xack. Great vid as always, you must really put a lot of effort into these "what is" vids since they're really your best imo. Can't wait to see what series you try to tackle next. Hope you're doing well too.
T Zaman Thanks, I'm glad the effort pays off on you guys.
I only played the first game and always wanted to find out what was beyond the door and it's been like I think 10 years later. I think, and now I finally know after all this waiting all this time. Rest in peace jak and Dexter 🙏
Jak 1 was the First Game I've ever played so you've earned my sub
My favorite video game series of all time.
stealthfighter119 except that shit that is lost frontier
It was long , but it was also informative , I sat there and watched it all , I played this as a kid and always wondered what happened , now I know , thank you
Played and completed all three, amazing amazing games.
My favourite is actually Jak 2, just being in Haven city is awesome.
Now the real question, did anyone play the 'Daxter' game on PSP? :D
I did, I only got to play Jak 3 and Daxter on my PSP but boy was it amazing. Playing as daxter trying to save jak was a nice experience.
dude thanks a lot for this videos its been ages since i played the games and didnt remeber the story quite well
it was a very good video that brought up some nostalgic feelings
great discription of the series man!
really enjoyed this, would love more for different series or maybe a video where you go super in depth on a specific game from a franchise
One thing I've never understood is, shouldn't Old Samos in Jak and Daxter know everything that's going to happen in Haven City? Seeing as he is the Young Samos that came from Haven City in the first place?
Yes, but if you remember, Old Samos spends most of Jak II locked up in prison. He's only freed in the remaining third and he spends that remaining third trying to get everybody to listen to him only to end up arguing with his younger self.
Hmm I guess but tbh that feels liks pretty lazy writing to "prevent" Samos from just saying like "hey guys the kid is Jak and Kor is the metalhead leader" for instance ^^
TiroX In those cases, Samos was deliberately holding back that information. Though then again, I don't think Samos ever met Kor nor did he know that he was really the metal head leader. But at least in the case of Jak, I think he knew things would work out without him needing to reveal that and that everybody would find out about it at the right time. It's not like anybody's lives hung in the balance of that revelation.
(I mean, Vin's life did end because of Kor's betrayal, but again, I don't think Samos knew about Kor).
Yeah I think the best explanation is that Samos is simply holding back on telling them things because he knows things will work out.. (Because they already have? TIME PARADOX! :D)
Xackadee Yeah I agree that Samos had to hold back because otherwise he could have changed the whole timeline. He definitely knew about Kor though but yeah he already knew that everything would work out so he did not say anything. But a quote of Samos kind of makes it obvious that he knows everything. At the start of Jak II while they are in the time rift thing Samos screams after they fell of the machine: "Find yourself Jak". He means child version of him, who is the key to all the events, because he is able to open the precursor egg.
You’re right. There hasn’t been another game since, thank you for being so accurate! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Jack and daxter was my first gta next to simpsons
@Xackadee Thanks so much bro I watched your Kingdom Hearts summary when it came out and just now watched this one. You did a great job summarizing and made it very enjoyable to watch! And although your Kingdom Hearts video was great, you did even better on this one! And your voice is kind of therapeutic to listen to haha. 10/10
Thanks, I appreciate it!
I miss this series! I want a Jak 4 on PS4 but nope, let's make more stupid ass M-rated shooters! Thank God we're getting a Crash Bandicoot trilogy HD remaster. I finally have a reason to get a PS4 for Christmas, this year. Last year I got an Xbox One.
We are getting the trilogy for PS4! :D (jak)
Doge Much can I get a source please
Ask and ye shall receive:
ua-cam.com/video/d-7Wm-zyOc8/v-deo.html
awesome video, thank you!
like the way you talk and comment, great voice, too.
Nice work maybe next time work on the Sly Cooper Games?
i wasn't a fan of the sly cooper games
"In an alternate Universe" I love it, Lost Frontier is one of those fourth games of a series that people like to ignore, like Spyro Enter the Dragonfly, and Crash bandicoot The Wrath of Cortex.
Jak 1 will always be my fve
Agreed, Jak 1 was just like Crash but more open world and an absolute charm to the eyes. I never liked the other games.
As many people have already said, PLEASE DO RATCHET AND CLANK! It's by far one of my favorite franchises and the original PS2 games still hold up extremely well even to this day. That being said, I never got around to the PS3 games because I never really heard good things about them. So it would be amazing if you could go over its story as I don't think it would be too hard. They are pretty straightforward games.
Also, you did an amazing job on this video. You covered every game, you were very thorough about them, and used better pacing when talking. Great job!
John Smith You didn't? Sure, every game since a Crack in Time was so-so but the Future trilogy was excellent, in my opinion.
Anyway, yeah. This sounds like a promising idea and it's definitely something I can manage. I will almost certainly do that series.
video ends at 26:00
tofol cano thx
Bruh, love the work and effort you put into making these videos and I think you should keep making these type of vids where you summarise the storyline of a popular game series because as a child, I remember playing these games like kingdom hearts and jack and Dexter, knowing these games but not understanding its amazing storyline was a bit sad but after seeing your summary videos really helped and it's just really good having these nostalgic feels from childhood games. Here's a list game series you could try playing and doing a story summary as well:
BIOSHOCK
MASS EFFECT
FINAL FANTASY
ELDER SCROLLS
RATCHET & CLANK
METAL GEAR SOLID
RESIDENT EVIL
UNCHARTED
Capitan Campione I haven't played Bioshock 1, but I guess it's not impossible down the line.
Mass Effect is a good one, but I'll need to account for all the branching paths.
Final Fantasy is not a sequential series. The games don't all take place in the same universe with the same characters. But you have given me another idea for it.
I don't know where to start with the Elder Scrolls.
Ratchet and Clank would be a very good one.
Metal Gear Solid is a popular suggestion. I'll wait until the Phantom Pain is out and replay the series chronologically beforehand though.
I've never played the Resident Evil games.
Uncharted would be another simple and fun one. Worth a shot.
Thanks for the suggestions and thank you for enjoying my content too. I really appreciate it.
They don’t make em like this anymore
The main thing that needs to happen with this series is 1 more game a sort of standalone game, one that focuses on the house of Mar, with Mar being the main character, maybe discovering the Metal Heads for the first time and enacting his great plan to build Haven City, the shield wall, and hide the Precursor stone. It'd have to take place on the other side of the world and 5 years before the events of Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy, to allow for enough worldbuilding and so things could eventually come full circle canonically speaking.
So like, a Jak and Daxter Simarillion? A lore focused prequel that's a bit detached from the story and characters that we know to focus on the world's backstory?
I'd be down with that! I miss the demolition duo, but honestly I also really miss the world and it's a world that deserves the chance to be more carefully fleshed out. You can tell Naughty Dog prioritised having fun with the series over thinking it through and while that was nice, it would really be good to get more deets on things like Mar and the Precursors.
Jak and Daxter the Lost Frontier was absolute trash. But the flying elements were really fun :D
lots of news of this game coming back and be continued, so i had to watch this. this game was my childhood, im 19 now and so excited as more and more talk is being discussed and leaked and i cannot wait ;)
I feel like that meme from Avengers Endgame.
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(It's Hawkeye saying "Don't give me hope")
I've got another question!
In the 1st Jak and Daxter
Jak used Light eco to defeat the enemy
But the light eco could also turn daxter into his original self again
But in Jak 3 couldnt Jak like use light Eco to make Daxter Human again
Isnt that what Daxter wanted ?
I think there are a couple of things behind that. The first is that the light eco in Jak 1 is actually referred to as white eco if I remember right. There is a certain difference between it and the eco seen in Jak 3. This could just be a discrepancy in Naughty Dog's designs, however, resulting in an inconsistancy despite them being the same thing.
There's also the fact that the eco _might_ have been able to change Daxter back, but we don't know that for a fact. It's possible it was never an option.
And finally there's the fact that it wasn't really what Daxter wanted. As much as Daxter complains about being 2 feet tall and fuzzy, he makes a big play even at the end of Jak 1 of having grown accustomed to his condition. At the end of Jak 3, the precursors offer to give him anything he wants, strongly implying they can and will change him back. Daxter just asks for pants.
+Xackadee no it's blue eco
+RandomNfktupthings it can't be blue eco
Blue eco makes you faster and can power things up
And increase the reflexes
+RandomNfktupthings it can't be blue eco
Blue eco makes you faster and can power things up
And increase the reflexes
RandomNfktupthings
I don't even know which eco you're trying to correct me on, but you're wrong either way. It isn't blue eco.
Excellent video. Videos like that are really tough to produce, write, edit, etc etc, though you did it remarkably. Kudos fellow Jak fan!! :D
+Michael Grammatikopoulos Thank you! The effort is always worth the payoff.
Played it so many times and could never beat any of them, now i know how they end tho thanks
How th you can't beat the first one 💀
I've beat the first one, it's been like 3 years bro. Not really a satisfying ending even if you get the extra end clip
Awesome game and incredible writing. Fun story with twists and turns through the years. Lots of questions left unanswered and up to the players imagination . Would have liked one more game but think writing team found a good place to at least tie it up
Number of power cells need to cross fire canyon-20
Number need to battle Klaww-45
Number need to access Snowy Mountain-47
Number need to cross Lava Tube-72
Number need to unlock the gate-100
Note: Daxter will have two different responses after finding the gate
Thanks for reviewing this game. Your explanation was very clear and entertaining especially since I was confused with Jak 2 and 3, but I LOVED the games so much! Great Job M8
I remember playing that Jak and Daxter game where he turned in to dark Jak. That was like GTA just in the Jak and Daxter universe. fucking amazing.
this was one of the very first games i ever played, and i loved all of them
do ratchet And clank next
Really great video, enjoyed every bit of it!
Jak 4
UndertakerU2ber they basically said it's never happening, naughty dog said "the stories we create now are more adult" ...even though there's going to be a remastered crash bandicoot, that said there's always hope for jak 4
naughty dog tried, but their current team don't have the heart to make a proper 5th game(I count Jak X a worthy sequel even if it was a race game). HOWEVER there is hope, a company by the name of Sanzaru games did pretty well with sly cooper, if anyone should be given the task of making a 5th Jack and Daxter game(done right), I'd put my faith in them.
AzurenGamer yeah, alot of people have said it will most likely be after Crash, I'm getting platinum trophy for all of the games and I've missed jak and daxter so much, I would count X too as it has some what of a story, it's obviously after jak 3, But the lost frontier....lets brush dark daxter under the rug, haha
AzurenGamer Seriously though... Sanzaru is literally saving game series left and right.
First Sly, then Sonic Boom (cause whoo Big Red Button), and who knows what's next. Hopefully Jak though
perhaps its because Sanzaru actually tries to stay true to the license, I don't about the sonic boom one but thieves in time definitely felt like a true sequel to the trilogy especially when you compare it to Spyro's and crash's next gen game after their trilogy, rather than milk the title for money an produce garbage or be burdened by a deadline Sanzaru gave sly cooper the time to make an polish the game, it may have not been amazing but it could've been ruined like the others and instead survived where great game characters fell and has a chance for a bright future.
I love this series the way the story turned dark and the gameplay change was amazing.
thanks for explaining it all i mean i knew all of it up to the last frontier because i couldn't play more than 20 minutes of it because it's garbage. so yes i try to forget it exists. great series
I loved every second of this video
They could create an entire spin off series with kelver and vegar. now that I would play
This was hilarious !!! I loved the whole video. Definitely worth every minute . Plz do more !
I really wonder how come the series just stopped and hasn’t been revived. Such a great game
my uncle shared this game with me 7 years ago and its one of my favorite game series next to sly cooper
Are there any plans for a Ratchet & Clank version of this?
Excellent video man, very well spoken. since I found out The Jak and Daxter trilogy as well as Jak X are all getting a remaster for PS4 this year, I just been surfing through Jak and Daxter vids.