I discuss one of the possible reason some metalheads dislike the metalcore scene. Recommended band: Ne Obliviscaris • Ne Obliviscaris - Cura... instagram: @blackmetalwerewolf
The thing is... as in any other subgenre there's good bands and bad bands. Unfortunately there's quite a few metalcore bands that I consider bad (one of them being butcher babies, although imo they're not even metalcore but w/e). But when metalcore was big and bands sprang up like mushrooms, this perception of metalcore being 'not metal' came up just as it came up with nu metal before. Yes, there were a huge bunch of 08/15 yawn metalcore bands but there also were some really good ones. I still like stuff like God Forbid, Unearth and Darkest Hour for example because they all have very unique characteristics and are actually (objectively) good musicians.
A Wet Tombstone POV the devil wears prada, oceans ate alaska, august burns red, miss may i, the amity affliction, i see stars (up to 2013 they still kill their old stuff live), architects, feed her to the sharks, forevermore, erra, and northlane are all REALLY solid metalcore bands, but thats just my opinion, for everyone else, not so sure, but for those who have doubts about metalcore they should listen to the bands I listed
DarkObsession. Your right, I listen to obituary, death and municipal waste (to name a few) but I also like bands such as bfmv, trivium and kill-switch engage. I mean I do kind of agree with the fact that a lot of modern metalcore bands are quite ‘poppy’, which is why you see a lot of metalcore bands turn to pop... (bring me to the horizon). But I don’t agree with the fact that the sub genre as a whole is just full of posers and scene kids. I think a lot of metalcore bands actually have more songwriting and musicianship on their work then people think there are and I generally think shogun by Trivium is the greatest album of the 21st century.
@@egg2895I may like stuff like groove, thrash, death, black metal more but metalcore isn't a bad genre there's just too many shitty soft new bands that polluted the genre and covered the good and awesome bands like the ones you named for me its just As I Lay Dying and Heaven Shall Burn and no other bands, plus these two are the heaviest in the genre alone.
It’s hard for me not to like some core like While She Sleeps but most metalcore seems too emo for me now that I’ve gotten rid of a core phase (cringe). Something cool always pops up in my feed whether it’s Death or The Weeknd
Alot of it is because the kids born after 98 that sub genre the fuck out of everything. Give me metal anything and beer and ill be happy. If im not then give me 5 more beers and i will be lol. No lie though there is way more substance in the older metal of any category
I think the reason deathcore is popular (especially with younger people) is actually the way music is exposed now. It's pretty easy to find great metal if you are already indoctrinated into the sound, but otherwise you are going to be presented with less extreme things through normal channels (radio, tv, spotify, even the youtube algorithms). Just as an anecdote, I had a student a few years back that listened to nothing but metalcore and deathcore. I asked her if she like Carcass, and she'd never heard of them, so I let hear some, and it really excited her. A few weeks later she was listening to nothing but classic death metal, and the fandom grew from there.
i don't think certain things are watered down. they're just heavier, musically, a lot of times more emotional, and have a more modern sound. i like black sabbath but that doesn't mean i wouldn't love to mosh my ass off to suicide silence or some other heavy deathcore band.
As someone who loves a lot of very diverse music genres, it seems inevitable that there is a lot of music I don't like. Call it whatever you want. Metalcore, Deathcore, Hardcore or any -core I've heard so far just isn't for me. Let alone utter shit like grindcore. I walked out on Napalm Death after a mere 3 minutes, because they bored the absolute shit out of me.
I agree, I can't stand it when people get way too into a certain sound and shit on everyone who doesn't agree with them like "oh you don't like this band? You're not true metal!" Just listen to what you like and what resonates with you, everyone is different, get the fuck over yourself. That being said, I think butcher babies is an absolutely terrible band, like the video said they are bland and generic and trying way too hard to be edgy, it seems to me like they just bank their ticket sales on the female vocalists who let their tits hang out during the show. Also staying on topic with the video, Ne Obliviscaris is absolutely amazing, just got into them a few months ago and they are one of the best newer bands I've heard in long time. This comment ended up being way longer than I intended haha.
People who complain about music not being metal enough are missing out. Who cares? Enjoy music. People act like metal is a sport where everything competes against one another.
Oh and metal heads dumb the scene down. Not "all" but "many". How do you expect metal to survive if there is no growth or change in metal? Another thing that I think is odd is that metal heads want people to know and love their bands as well, but at the same time cry sellout when they become mainstream.
There has been massive growth. The problem is people like you refuse to even both to listen to Gothic metal, Power metal, Symphonic metal, Folk metal and prog metal. I mean heaven for bid a band has melody and harmony in there music. And if they have a female signer you guys go ape shit like it's a sin. And if the male singer is well singing really good well that's a sin to.
I love Heavy Metal, Thrash Metal, Death Metal, Metalcore, Deathcore, Emo, screamo, Alternative, Nu Metal, Hard Rock, Hair Metal, etc... If you listen to the right stuff, it’s music.
I don't think it's fair to judge an entire genre of music due to one band when you have bands like Architects, August Burns Red, Parkway Drive, The Ghost Inside, While She Sleeps, Northlane, Wage War and In Hearts Wake all have very good song writing and lyrics and they are not generic.
Agreed to bad Carla Harvey is dating Charlie Benante from Anthrax. I said it once now I'm saying it again Butcher Babies are stupid industry plants to prove Metal appeals to women but fails at doing it.
I started my Metal Journey with Bullet For My Valentine's The Poison, I thought it was the greatest thing ever, but after listening to Dio, Maiden and Manowar... Metalcore just got tossed to the side
It was similar for me. Back then the "real" metal bands I knew were kinda crappy (Arch Enemy, DevilDriver and a few others I don't remember) so I started to listen to metalcore bands that I liked better. Stuff like Within the Ruins, After the Burial, August Burns Red, Parkway Drive, etc. As soon as I started to discover truly good metal bands I kinda abandoned metalcore and have never looked back since. Nowadays I love stuff like Vader, Deströyer 666, Exmortus, Mgla, Black Royal, Church of Misery and so many more awesome bands. I'm super thankful that my younger self didn't just get comfortable with the mediocre music I used to listen to. I always tell people to never stop looking for good music to listen to. There is always something amazing you haven't heard yet out there!
For me, metalcore was a beginning to my interest in metal. After 2 years of listening to metalcore; I decided to go heavier with my interest. I introduced myself to death and heavy metal bands. Some examples are Aetherian, and Bloodbath . I can't listen to metalcore anymore because they don't deliver the same extremes like the metal I listen to today. It's like going back to my "cringey emo" years.
I just paused the video and went and listened to Butcher babies and I dont think its very fair to put bands like Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, and August burns Red in the same category as that crap
Not right to judge metalcore by a mediocre band like this, I mean there are a lot of really crappy heavy metal bands without substance out there as well.
nahh, there's a problem with the genre as a whole. find me a metalcore band with a 2016 release that doesnt have a pace breaking clean chorus.... go ahead, I'll wait
dosbox907 There are certainly elements in metalcore that do not appeal to everyone. In this case, most people would refer to the style of clean vocals (as you mentioned) and the breakdowns. This is a matter of preference and, in my opinion, does not portray the overall substance of a song as they simply serve as a stylistic device.
dosbox907 I'm not as up to date on metalcore releases as other people may be but I'm pretty certain that there are lots of metalcore bands without clean vocalists out there. (People who read this are invited to list some 2016 releases)
+zohaib moonis LOVE that album. Wasn't a complete fan until I heard that album. Then I was completely blown away. And me personally, I don't consider them just "metalcore", I consider them "melodic metalcore" because of all the melodies that JB (lead guitarist) plays.
a good song becomes better with a good guitar solo, that's why. but yeah, some songs don't really need guitar solos, it's up for the artists to use them or what, it's their own freedom.
+listeha ribuhara that's completely your opinion, I feel a guitar solo is just a gimmick, but I also agree that it can provide an extra element in a song.
theone1 i told you, it can provide an extra element in a song. usually, most people who like more of classical metal can really feel what the solos are for, thus, they can define a good solo and a bad solo, and how a song can be better or worse with solos. good guitar solos can be considered as parts of songs that can portray emotions without relying on lyrics. while most people who like modern metal can appreciate the music without solos, it is actually up for the listeners to like it or not, and for the artists to put a solo or not.
+listeha ribuhara solos aren't a big deal especially if musicianship is there but I think he was more aiming towards how if most of your songs compose of catchier, more simplistic, mediocre riffs, solos are often added to give more flavor so it doesn't get redundant etc (a lot of classic rock does this although I personally still find the majority of it boring and even then after learning to play the guitar and after becoming a more advanced player you can see even the solos are generic and although sound cool to the average listener are actually some of the most mediocre stuff etc)) but butcher babies did none of this and they were just straight up not good.
This actually describes how I feel about metalcore 100%. No offense to anyone who likes it, everyone is entitled to their own taste in music. I'm not going to hate on it or shit talk it, it's just one of those things where I never got what all the hype was about because personally, it bored me. Good video, very well spoken.
My personal opinion is that Metalcore is Metal written by Hardcore kids and it doesn’t include some of the things that we, as Metalheads, like about Metal. I also feel that in the singwriting aspect, breakdowns are added as an afterthought and usually feel forced. I just will never like breakdowns as much as a Hardcore kid.
We have to take into consideration that some musicians just have better ideas and better talent for composing their music; which is why the mediocre copycats are abundant. That goes for any metal genre, because even BM has some festering trash bands out there with hardcore simps😂 The generic TV static sound of some BM is akin to the djent breakdown of core😂
TO: Blackmetal Werewolf. Never heard of Butcher Babies, been listening to Metalcore for 8 years. Just listened to them, they fucking suck. The word "Generic" is used too much between Metalcore fans, we recognize when a band is generic. Also, all of Metalcore isn't inherently Emo, there's just a number of bands that invaded the genre with that crap. Metalcore is actually very diverse and is evolving a lot. There's bands in the Progressive Metalcore bracket who are really pushing the genre to new places. There are many types of Metalcore bands: Math Metalcore like Converge, Pop-Metalcore like Asking Alexandria(Fuck those bands), Progressive Metalcore like August Burns Red or Silent Planet, Death Metal Influenced Metalcore like As I Lay Dying, the list goes on and I'd be happy to try and direct you to the right Metalcore band for you tastes. You just have to find the good bands, and they exist I assure you. Metalcore never gets a chance because of shitty pop bands being the only reference and unjustly being representative of the entire genre. Every genre has a shit commercial version, know the difference. And if you still don't like it, it's cool. Every genre has their niche fans, and the Hardcore element is unappealing to many.
I've tried listening to so many but i can never get into it. No matter what sub genre. The boy band appeal and weak lyrics kind of put me off. I don't want to just brush them off without giving them another chance. Can you recommend anything? I been really into bands like Agalloch, Harakiri for the sky, and wodensthrone lately. I also absolutely love old Thrash.
I agree with you. I like metalcore, and the way they compose their songs and for so many bands, their lyrics are so deep, but then you find the emo bands that think a single heavy drum beat makes them part of this genre, and it fucks it all up. I love the hardcore, the deep vocals and fast drum beats, but there are so many boybands that are full of themselves and think that they can get away with genre hopping, and sometimes they do.
@CrimsonAltar here is quite a diverse list, containing bands from many subgenres of metalcore: Monuments - I the Creator, I the Destroyer (such groove) Ascariasis - Shatter (do yourself a favour and just listen to the entire Ocean Of Colour EP) Bleeding Through - Germany, French Inquisition Catch The Sun - Nothing Lasts Forever The Acacia Strain - The Widowmaker, The Impaler (so heavy.) The Dillinger Escape Plan - Prancer (they are very diverse) Elitist - Reshape Reason Fit For An Autopsy - The Great Gift Of The World, Tremors (the whole Hellbound album is a masterpiece) Kardashev - Potentiality, Tier 3 - Galactic Achievement (a lot of atmospheric death in there) Make Them Suffer - Neverbloom, Widower Maintain - Arsonists Lorelei - Godfather Death, The Dunwich Horror (the whole Lore of Lies album is so good.) Martyr Defiled - No Morality, Demons In The Mist Shores Of Elysium - Entity In The Void Trough The Eyes Of The Dead - Inherit Obscurity, The Manifest Within The Ruins - Gods Amongst Men, The Other so much for generic
Incorrect, you clearly don't know what elitism is, so you need a dictionary. Also technically speaking metalcore isn't a subgenre of metal at all as it's a fusion between metal and punk like crossover thrash.
I like your videos, but there are a few things I want to point out: >"Average metalheads don't like metalcore." That is true about a lot of metalheads, especially in the more extreme and obscure scenes, but I always saw that demographic as being strongly over-amplified by the internet. Log out of Metal-Archives and talk to anybody at a heavy metal show about this - I guarantee you that most of them would either simply listen to it or not care about it. Hell, most mainstream metal festivals feature metalcore (as well as nu-, industrial-, and other "false" metal) acts on their tickets. (See Wacken and Mayhem fest.) >"Metalcore is generic. There's not much you can do with it." I did lose interest in metalcore years ago, in part due to my tastes changing, but in another part, I'll admit, due to being tired of hearing the same damn breakdown. Here's the problem with your argument, though: every scene consists of a desert of mediocrity with an oasis of talent. What you're saying can easily be applied to any metal subgenre - have you even tried keeping count of every death and black metal band that knocks off Morbid Angel and Darkthrone? With that said, there kind of is a reason why death metal lost momentum with the death of Chuck Schuldiner. On top of that, there is much more creative room and activity with metalcore than there is with thrash metal - once you've heard the big four of thrash, you've heard almost all of it worth hearing. Hell, even Slayer has become a knockoff of itself while Megadeth has released a lot of non-Thrash and Metallica moved away from thrash over 20 years ago. >"Metalcore lyrics and art aren't well-done." It seems you haven't read a lot of metalcore lyrics or seen any metalcore album art. Also, my last point applies here: once you've read a handful of black and death metal songs dealing with Satanism, necrophilia, and murder, you've pretty much read at least a good 75% of it. >"Not enough guitar solos." A guitar solo doesn't automatically make a song good, and the lack thereof doesn't make it bad. Some songs sound interesting without them, while others seem to desperately throw them in as salvation from monotony. And again. Have you heard most black metal? Do you even Gorgoroth?
I was about to say, if anything most of the metalcore bands I have heard have a ton of guitar solos (although I guess it is only for melodic metalcore but still)
This whole video (and most of these comments) is coming from people who only know of metal, and not much about hardcore or metalcore. Have you guys ever heard of Converge? Or any GOOD metalcore band? Wtf is Butcher Babies? Look at the lyrics of bands like Parkway Drive for instance.. Go see August Burns Red, or Norma Jean etc. and tell me that those bands don't put their heart into their music and have a ton of talent. Saying that metalcore as a whole doesn't have talent or passion seriously does not make sense.
Also, this is coming from someone who absolutely loves metal and hardcore. There isn't much of that that I don't like. I've grown up listening to bands like Agathodaimon, Mercenary, Dark Tranquility, Wolves in the Throne Room, Scar Symmetry, Burzum, etc. But also, Bleeding Through, Terror, Magrudergrind, Ringworm, etc. and then I also liked bands like A Day to Remember, Broadway, and whatever else. So pretty much all my life people have hated things that i like, and loved things that i love. Haven't met someone who hated everything i liked or liked everything i like. Not sure why. Lol. It's all just different tastes. Some people have a wider array than others. I noticed that "metalheads" tend to be the ones with narrow preferences.. And then they say stuff like "but i like some EDM" or "but i listen to classical too!" Lol
I'd argue that there are quite a few more overrated metal bands considering it is a way more popular genre. Some of the most overrated acts of all time are metal. The only people who like the "popular" metalcore (aka shit like of mice and men etc.) are young kids who like going to warped tour and shit. I love The Fall of Ideals album from All That Remains, but that is really intro-level metalcore. That is like, guitar hero music. Obviously you need to dig a little bit to find the really good stuff, but of course you kind of need to be into hardcore even just a little in order for you to really enjoy that type of music. Instead of saying there "there are good metalcore bands," you probably mean to say "there are some metalcore bands I like." And they just happen to be the more popular metalcore bands which only verge on the edge of the genre.. bands like All That Remains and As I Lay Dying tend to appeal to fans of metal. But when the genre first emerged, it had a lot of crossover with hardcore. You really do need to like both types of music to get into it. Otherwise I'd say it is a pointless discussion. I'd be like me holding a conversation about classic metal like metallica and iron maiden and all that. I do not like that music, and I don't listen to that music. So I'm not gonna sit here and call it overrated and bad. It just isn't my kind of music so I leave it alone.
And yeah at the end of the day anyone can listen to whatever the fuck they want.. and at the end of the day metal will continue to have the most elitist fans in existence lol but its okay
All the reasons pedestrian music fans ignore metal are the same reasons that different subgenre snobs ignore and dog each other. Metalcore, djent and prog are my bread and butter, but god forbid I say that to some spike wearing goof with long hair, especially since I don't look like a metal fan. All these attitudes are why I will never label myself a metalhead. That, and I have the nuts to admit that good pop music exists.
Thank you! I feel like people are too caught up in certain groups that they automatically hate everything else. Like, I'll talk to a metal head and say that I like metal and I'll get comments like "oh yea? Name Amon Amarths full discography then!" It's annoying and I'm just here for a good time. I listen to all kinds of music. It's really not a big deal.
This is the sad thing: Metalcore is metal. Metalcore has also changed over the years and slowly started fading from real metal. I just wish people new the original Metalcore
I got into metalcore hatd about two hree years ago. I loved bands like as i lay dying and parkway drive . Downloaded the whole discographies. Then when i started to watch reaction videos of people explain about phase changes, tempo changes , hard parts to make musically , hard choruses to make, hard chorus music and everything about the differences of metal fron other types of music. Then i started noticing these facts in songs . When i listened to bands like parkway drive and as i lay dying etc i started seeing the similarities in every song. These songs were literally the same thing for me with a different riff . The intros the drum fills in their songs were similar . They kinda used the same structure. And i got hella bored . And the vocals started get annoying and it sounded very popy and easy done. But then i listened to avenged sevenfold. Its weird i know . Then i got super interested because they actually worked super hard to cahnge their songs and albums. I was suprised how their albums were all different from each other and each song. They wrote lyrics to sing on thrashy riffs and they did much harder music than other bands . But anyways they get shit a lot but if you want to metal core stuff checkout their first two albums and trivium and killswitch engage . Other metalcore bands started becoming a trend and i always felt like it waa going the way that pop music is. Everyone does the same kinda thing and in everything and when someone does a trick everybody else also does it ad when it is over used they stop it and so the wheel turns.
May I remind you: Converge, Norma Jean, Botch, Dillinger Escape Plan, Every Time I Die, Killswitch Engage, Counterparts, August Burns Red, Between the Buried and Me, Cancer Bats, Code Orange Kids, Hatebreed, Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, The Fall of Troy, Glass Cloud, Hundredth, Ion Dissonance, Madball, Protest the Hero, Ringworm, Shadows Fall, Sikth, Terror, Throwdown, Trivium, Unearth, and Veil of Maya are all metal core bands
That’s fair enough. However, I will say that it is an extremely broad genre and so there’s probably something in it for you. You like thrash or classic heavy metal? Listen to trivium. You like beatdown hardcore? Listen to knocked loose or disembodied. You like grindcore? You might like converge’s aggressive sound. You like melodic death metal? Check out darkest hour. How about djent? Check out currents. You a fan of technical/progressive stuff? You would really not want to miss oceans ate Alaska. You like melodic hardcore? Listen to while she sleeps. You like emotional hardcore? Counterparts is the metalcore band for you. How about skramz? Youd probably enjoy wristmeetrazor or seeyouspacecowboy.
I had a metalcore phase and always hated this gatekeeping and people saying it‘s not metal. But my view has changed. I don‘t want to say metalcore is bad music, if you enjoy it, it‘s fine! But metal was supposed to be subcultural, always exploring and widening the boundaries of what is considered music or how it is supposed to sound. Metalcore takes some elements (heavy guitar, screaming etc, you might say the CORE), but mixes it with melodies that could be taken out of any charts song. It makes the music way more accessible, but takes away the spirit of it: the music doesn‘t try to be different, it tries to fit in. This leads to a completely different feeling at concerts, especially at festivals. Metalcore bands headline many big festivals, because so many people want to see them and are ready to pay a lot of money for it. The crowd at big metal festivals almost feels like any rock or pop show. You might call me an elitist for saying that‘s a bad thing, I would have done so several years ago. Metalcore helped me to get used to harsh vocals and was a part of my musical journey. Without it, I would have never listened to Death or Black Metal. However I personally don’t like the influence it has on the metal scene.. And I know nobody gives a fuck about what I think, but I wish there was more of a separation between metal and metalcore events
@@SorceressWitch do you know what an elitist actually is? Simply not liking something doesn't make you an elitist. The word has completely lost its meaning because of everyone labelling everything as elitist when it's really not
My answer to the question "Is metalcore metal or not" is always "it depends on the band". It really just depends on whether they're more metal, or more core. METALcore bands: -A7X -BFMV early work (Hand Of Blood EP, The Poison, Scream Aim Fire, partially Fever) -Killswitch Engage -As I Lay Dying -Trivium metalCORE bands: -Black Veil Brides -Motionless In White -Asking Alexandria -Falling In Reverse METALcore bands have a lot more metal elements, such as frequent guitar solos and beautiful melodies, and more metal structures, more emphasis on just raw instruments rather than overusing synth and electronic effects, and I think this genre of music is amazing. metalCORE however is where you start to lose me, it is essentially pop but with a punk sound. No guitar solos, no metal elements, just constant screaming and breakdowns, some of it can be good but it's mostly garbage imo.
Most metalheads don't like it because their definition of it is messed up. Something like Bullet For My Valentine and Asking Alexandria isn't 'real' Metalcore, its sold that way. Metalcore is, as the name suggests a combination of various Metal genres mixed with Hardcore Punk. Most of the so called 'Metalcore' bands nowadays are just chugga chugga breakdowns with autotuned poppy clean vocals. That's not what I define as Metalcore and I don't listen to this stuff myself, with a few exclusions. The Metalcore I am talking about is bands like Integrity, Ringworm, Converge, Arkangel, Earth Crisis, All Out War and so on. I am pretty sure if you em some of these bands, mnay people who are into 'real' Metal would like them! Thats certainly how I got into those bands, because they combine some of my favourite bands like Obituary or Slayer with the speed and energy of Hardcore!
Yo I know and love converge and I listen to earth crisis ringworm and integrity on occasion, but I have never even heard of arkangel! You’ve given me a new band to check out my dudaroo 🤘
Asking Alexandria and bfmv is metalcore but more sophisticated, because every music genre changes over the years and becomes more complex. Metalcore is also inspired from melodic death metal, not only hardcore punk, that's why asking Alexandria/ Attack attack/ Of mice and men and other bands have different sound from metallic hardcore bands, hope you understand that :)
I'm really late to this video and discussion, but would like to present my opinion anyways. What I typically want from metal is lyrics that make me think, a story, perhaps, or a convincing display of differing philosophies/religious/political views, AND with music that matches those tones and emotions. Metalcore just doesn't give me that. Not saying there isn't any out there, but the bands that I have been presented with (from a cousin that is really into metalcore), just don't hit me like when I first heard bands like Savatage or Stratovarius. But I would also like to say, there are tons of metal bands and sub-genres that I also don't like. I typically stay away form heavy vocals, as I can only hear limited emotions out of them, which tends to be rage, anger or hate, whether or not the lyrics match those emotions, and that isn't what I listen to metal for.
The only good metalcore bands are Trivium Killswitch Engage The Novelists Munity Within early All That Remains As I Lay Dying Bullet For My Valentine Dreamshade
Whether or not you like metalcore is one thing. But to judge and generalize an entire genre of music, which honestly I don't think you know the first thing about, is ridiculous. There are a ton of metalcore bands which a lot of substance and creativity. I will agree that there are a lot of bullshit generic scene kid bullshit metalcore out there but that does not represent the genre as a whole. Converge, Zao, Unearth, The Ghost Inside, Integrity, and Shai Hulud are examples of really great metalcore bands with honestly more substance that I hear in a lot of metal bands. Read the lyrics to some Converge or Shai Hulud songs and compare that to lyrics of a typical goregrind band. I'm not saying there aren't metal bands with substance either because there certainly are. I'm just saying that in every genre of music you have good bands and you have bad bands. I used to be kinda like you where I would write of entire genres of heavy music because it wasn't what I was currently into at the time. I started out listening to early 2000s metalcore, then I moved to death metal, black metal and grindcore. Then I was like "fuck hardcore, fuck metalcore, fuck anything that isn't metal". Then my tastes started to shift to hardcore punk and I was like "death metal is stupid and so is metalcore." But now I've gotten older and I just don't care about any of that bullshit anymore. I can spend one day listening to a bunch of obscure black metal bands or some sludge and doom bands with 20 minute songs and then the next day just listen to a bunch of tough guy beatdown hardcore. If it's heavy and it speaks to me I like it regardless of genre. Metalcore is so much more than what you think it is. The popular metalcore bands give the genre a bad name but there's more than just Asking Alexandria out there. And again I get that some people just don't like how metalcore sounds but you can't just write it off as shallow and generic or based on one band.
Metalcore has no substance?!?! Architects focuses on religion & politics, In Hearts Awake and Bury Tomorrow focus on the environment... no substance smh. I can just as well cherry pick deathcore bands whose lyrics are pure rubbish
Phillip hanna Architects, for example, sing their hearts out in every song and their music itself is exceptional. Most deathcore bands hide behind loud guitars and long difficult to understand screams. That's lazy
Phillip hanna metal is characterised by the music itself not the singing and Grey Sabbath has a point. The old metal bands aren't metal? Only Suicide Silence's blurry screams are?
I actually like metalcore....the good bands! My five favorite metalcore bands are As I Lay Dying, Earth Crisis, Hatebreed, Killswitch Engage and Unearth (my favorite one). And weither metalheads like it or not, metalcore IS metal. It's part of the familly tree, even if you hate it! Same goes for deathcore! There are tons of subgenres that I hate or don't give a shit about, but I still acknowledge them as part of metal!
Thank you man i love you. Like what i always see around. Each genre can have good and bad bands. People just need to stop looking at the bad ones and say "metalcore isnt metal". I listen to the bands you listen and no doubt they are metalcore except i see hatebreed and Earth crisis more towards Hardcore but hey they were in the line where metalcore started out
@@Melkor0410 Hatebreed and Earth Crisis are indeed more hardcore than metal, but they are still great! And they are also some of the pioneers of metalcore!
What do you mean "we don't like metalcore'? I'm a huge black metal fan and actually I like hardcore and metalcore quite a lot. Mainly because their lyrics are political and very animal liberation-oriented.
It depends which band you’re listening to. Like Trivium and Killswitch Engage are pretty fucking cool cuz there’s more metal than core to it so it sounds less annoying.
I thought of the same thing trivium and killswitch engage are more metal then core they grow up listening to metal like Judas priest, Metallica, SLAYER, iron maiden,etc. Jesse from killswitch also said he also grow up listening to hard-core punk music like Badbrains, x-ray Kennedy,etc..
Oh come on, BMTH, Asking Alexandria and Motionless in White are what people think of when someone says "metalcore". Butcher Babies aren't metalcore if you ask me. Have you read Motionless in White lyrics? BMTH Lyrics? I may look happy, but honestly dear, the only way I'll really smile is if you cut me ear to ear. I see the vultures, they watch me bleed. They lick their lips, as all the shame spills out of me. That's from one of BMTH's earlier and heavier albums. Metalcore has a lot of good writing, and just because you heard Butcher Babies' more commercialized songs doesn't mean that's what metalcore is. While we're at the subject, let's revisit some of their lyrics. This is from the song "Grim Sleeper", which is about the serial killer of the same name. I know death is lurking, I feel it near Through the screams I can taste the fear Calling out no one knows I'm here I'm nameless faceless victim Now, for the "trying to be edgy" part, let's see some of the Slayer lyrics I am the new hell on earth The lord of agony divine Domination, intimidation Lives within these eyes The etire song is riddled with attempts to sound edgy. Not only that song at that, no sir. most of the songs are like this. "I am the hell on Earth", seriously? Can't get more tryhard edgy wannabe from there. Another thing is, so what if there's no solos? I myself dislike solos greatly. Why? Complicated does not equal good. And they just plain out don't fit my taste. When I was little, my father would play old school metal in the car, and I'd cringe so hard when the solos started. Most of the time it feels like the guitarist just pauses the song to demonstrate what a showoff he is, and then it resumes, when what happened has no connection to the song whatsoever. Let's talk about "real metal" having more diversity, shall we? Oh wait, all the vocals are the same. Same vibrato, same falsetto. I swear, when I hear music from the 70's and 80's, I cannot for the life of me tell if it's the same person or a different one singing nearly all the songs. You know why I don't really like metalcore artists? They look like emo faggots until they are no longer teenagers. You know why I like their music? It sounds good to me. Hits the right spot, at least half of the artists. It's constantly changing and evolving, while what you call "real metal" just recycles the same things over and over. Check out the band for which I have an utmost respect, In Hearts Wake. Their texts have made me straight up cry, and their music is beyond amazing. Then, if you still claim metalcore is "ruining the scene", you're straight up beyond biased. You wanna know why I dislike metalheads? Most of you let that define you, and you create a stereotype that leaks onto other people who just like similar but in no way the same music. I used to listen to Otep all the time and dress in black, and people who didn't know shit would call me a metalhead. I hated that. It used to happen *all* the time in my hometown. You boast about how your music is the only one with substance, while all the rest has inferior lyrics, meaning, and sound. You said it yourself - after hearing parts of the lyrics and a few songs of one band that isn't even like the most widespread goddamn metalcore, you make a video in which you say you feel like it's ruining the scene. And no, saying "it's just my opinion" doesn't make it less condescending. You all act like the music you like is the best music to ever come out of this world. If I had a penny every time a metalhead said another genre sucked, I'd be able to buy the eiffel tower, the entire yearly stock of turnips for Europe, and all of Nasa's satelites.
***** You should really keep calm, it's not that big of a deal, someone you don't know doesn't like a certain music genre, it's not the end of the world hun, you'll be fine
its alright darlin, Metal is the Islam of music, pushing all they're tr00 metal beliefs onto you when you didn't even ask for it.. they're stuck in 1995. and when something like BMTH, AA, or a Skylit drive come along, they shit all over it, meanwhile, all the hot chicks love those bands!! they're musically gifted too :) keyword is MUSICALLY HEY NECKBEARDS!! . sorry all you're favorite tr00 metal bands sound like a rehashed Sound of Perserverence Death for the 1,000,000th time. EVOLVE ALREADY!! xD BMTH count you're blessings album is HEAVIER than anything Cannibal Corpse has done ENTIRE career.
Metalcore is one of my favorite subgenres of metal, with nu-metal being my favorite. A7X is by far my favorite band, and I love Killswitch Engage, Bullet for My Valentine, Demon Hunter, Trivium, Bring Me the Horizon, and plenty of other metalcore bands Before someone inevitably says how my taste in music sucks, I still like a ton of metal bands that metalheads consider to be gods of the genre, like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Dio, Pantera, just recently got into Judas Priest, and plenty of other bands. You can like metalcore and still be as big of a metalhead as anyone else
Metalcore killed off Nu-Metal back in early 2004. Metalcore did away with the whole Rap/Hip-hop influence that was around at the time with Nu-Metal. If you remember the entire Ozzfest 2004 lineup? That changed the direction of metal and brought back better guitar playing and soloing to metal that was missing for a long time. Grunge, Nu-Metal and alternative was buried by Metalcore...Love Metalcore or hate it. You can't deny that Metalcore changed the way metal was back in the day.
"when ever I see metalcore bands they all look and sound the same to me" and then you compare them to two different genres trash and death metal which are sub-genres not bands and talk how they have evolved, you don't really make sense. Look at most black metal bands and listen to them and you will realize that they sound very similar, that's because they want to have the characteristics of said sub-genre thus sounding very similar. SOME of these things you bring up make even LESS sense than the "it's not metal" thing. I've also been listening to all types of metal but mostly metalcore since like 2007, where bands like As I lay dying, Parkway drive, Killswitch engage, the ghost inside and unearth were the shit. I would recommend you to go and listen to these bands and their stuff before 2010 and see how they are. I think the dislike of metalcore is just the hipster part of peoples brain taking over.
Regardless if you dislike metalcore or not, its still metal just fucking enjoy what you like hell one of my favorite metalcore bands is Killswitch Engage i love headbanging to the shit
CutThroatNin3 no they're not metalcore but i think they're only popular because of the two girls. and i don't care if they suck or not, i'm not a fan of them
You mean to say For today I the breather Unearth Straight line stitch Killswitch engage Asking alexandria (first 2 albums) Blessthefall Saving grace Are all not metal. Good Metalcore=great low growls, mid and high false chord screams, fry screams, clean vocals, sick breakdowns, lyrics related to depression,suicide,spirituality,addiction,mental illness,heartbreak,death Melodic instrumentation,distorted and pinch harmonic with heavy chugging. I would even say the metal that sounds all the same to me is death metal i could not distinguish between each death metal song ive heard almost every death track i heard sounded exactly the same and sonically and instrumentally death metal is vapid and very boring its almost the same blast drum beat and down tuned riffs with the same low growls about satan this satan that yawnnn I choose metalcore because it is much better more uplifting but still edgy music. Metalcore conveys emotion very well Death metal is void of any emotion it is truly noise and what people who have never listened to metal think metal music is sorry not sorry, I will admit there. Is a lot of metalcore bands that sound alike but i feel that has more to do with influence and capitalization of a style. Rather with death metal it all sounds the same because the genre just has nothing to offer for anyone that is not already heavily invested in the sound
I don't mind metalcore, but I mostly stick to black metal and death metal. *Edit* By the way, I think some people are getting too offended by this video, chill and let this dude speak his opinion.
Constellations by August Burns Red, Killswitch Engage's Self titled album (2000), All we love We Leave Behind by Converge... listen to that closely and then come back and say to my face if it sucks... you're welcome btw xD
People need to stop living in the past and only listening to music from the 80s and 90s and start listening to new bands so metal can start to thrive again
As I Lay Dying and KSE became generic as fuck after their first two albums and Trivium haven't been playing metalcore since Ascendancy. Also, with the notable exception of Shogun, I found their entire discography unbearable. Just my personal taste. Before 5FDP came out, they absolutely were the Nickelback of Heavy Metal.
I can tolerate a little bit of Metalcore sometimes but what I hate from a lot of metalcore bands is the whiny emo sounding vocals followed by a black metal/death metal scream. I like good clean vocals some of the metalcore bands out there sound too whiny, and the whole skinny jeans with the hair in the face, not my thing.
Actually metalcore has the best songwriting in all metal. It's new, it's fresh and it most new metalcore bands don't sound like every 80's and 90's bands.
Also Tim has 2 side projects apart from As I lay dying,Check out his parody band called Austrian death machine he writes all the music guitars,bass drums vocals.Also pyrithion death metal band.
No, most metalcore bands suck, they're like dubstep for scene kids with pop vocals and love songs. Give me more of Killswitch Engage, All That Remains, and Hatebreed because those bands are peak new age heavy metal, not the emo dudes who sing like little girls.
@@HaveButOneLife Allow me to clarify, I could not justify a whole genre as bad if I'm listening to it. I listened to Metalcore bands, therefore it was, atleast stuff that got me outta my seat. If you're saying metalcore sucks because the vast amount of bands that come out of it sound the same, have too many boring and simple breakdowns while playing technically "easy" music: then I'd agree! As for Cradle, the albums with Nick Barker on drums are amazing beyond words. Adrian on Midian was a great substitute. Didn't mind bitter suites to succubi but when they signed to Sony they started to sound stripped-down and uninspired.
@@BOG0690 I don't listen to Cradle of Filth. But yes you took the words right out of my mouth. But I simply don't like the guitar sounds, the sound is so breakdown-esque all the time if that makes sense, so much so that it sounds like EDM or dubstep music, on top of the terrible pop vocals. The screaming, however, can be cool, but most metalcore bands suck.
HaveButOneLife you do realise KSE is classic and a pioneering sound in what is considered the Height of Metalcore, along with As I lay Dying and Converge.. you’re a clown, Oh btw, Heaps of Classic Metal bands. Throw up your horns, sound like whiny little bitches sooooo 💁🏻♂️ there’s that
Great video man. yeah, what I tell people when they ask me if I like metalcore or deathcore is that I just FLAT OUT don't like hardcore or anything hardcore influenced. And that usually does it.
So before we go hating on metalcore, let's all take a moment to listen to All That Remains, Bullet For my Valentine, and Killswitch Engage. Now those bands are real metalcore
I love metalcore and I never heard of Butcher Babies. Let's not generalize all metalcore by listening to only one . . . . unless of course you would like me to generalize all of metal on only one terrible metal band. Substance; the quality of being important, valid, or significant. "Don’t step out of line kid, you learn it pretty fast Every face has its place in the crowd They’ll give you all the answers, so you don’t ask any questions Then they’ll march you with a smile into the ground" - Parkway Drive "One life One decision Make sure it ends with you still living." - Beartooth **Also listen to their song Sick and Disgusting, Caleb Shomo spills his heart out and the song ends with him sobbing. "This world is spiraling down The segregation of everything Is the source of the blood on the walls It's passed down by generation This hatred could swallow us all Can we unlearn what's been ingrained?" -Ice Nine Kills "Just hear me out I know you're down When hope looks lost, there's no one to be found But I won't give up on you. You gotta dig deep, and bury all the thoughts. The thoughts that tell you, you're not good enough. The critics, the cynics, say you'll never make it. Prove em' all wrong, they are mistaken. Though you may walk alone, you're worth more than you know." - I Prevail "I suppose, I suppose if we all try harder To start relating, maybe we'd stop the hating I propose, I propose that we all try harder To spread some joy and laughter, in this world of disaster." -Dead Rabbitts Some lyrics of a few metalcore bands that "don't have any substance." I could add more but I don't want this comment to go on forever. I suppose the definition of substance is the quality of importance, validity, and significance and that could be judged by opinion. Perhaps criticizing the government or society, singing about your passion, singing about your struggles, singing to inspire and uplift the audience isn't of any value or importance. Then what is? I have tried argued with many metalheads about metalcore. The truth of the matter is not in the lyrics, it's the heaviness and distortion levels of the music itself. To many metalheads that choose to dis metalcore, it's because they are metal elitists that hate everything that isn't "brutal" and doesn't have a lot of distortion. For those that choose to like more than just "brutal" or choose to not go as "brutal" as humanly possible, they are not trve kvlt or true metalheads. Often times if you try to express why you think other, less metal genres have value the answer you will receive from them is often around the lines of: "Shut the fuck up bitch. That music is shit. You fucking suck, you fucking cunt." Vulgar obscenities is NOT how an argument/debate works, (to those that do this) please go retake your high school English class. This clearly shows that most are not open to understand other genres or refuse to admit they were utterly wrong over their display of venom towards lyrics they hadn't heard prior. Basically there is not logic in any of it. If you want to know if metalcore is worth anything or has value, dig around. Get off your lazy ass and do some research. Submerge yourself in it, find out what it means to listen to metalcore. Society likes to label metal as violent and grotesque. I got off my lazy ass and I plunged into metal, I did my research. No, not all metal bands are this way. If I can do it, so can the rest of you. If you don't want to, then you have no right to complain about a genre you know nothing about. ****I also don't generalize and I know not all metalheads feel this way. Some are open and some even like metalcore; some don't because the music doesn't speak to them but choose not to hate on it and put those that enjoy it to as much shame as they can muster. To those of you Metalheads that are respectable, thank you!
Just gonna put my little opinion in here. First off, I appreciate your opinion and everything you say makes sense and I can completely understand. Now I'm a huge metalcore fan. That's the main "metal" I listen to. Some bands sound more "metal," some sound more "hardcore," and then there are some who are in between. I had to go look up who Butcher Babies were. Never heard of them. I wanted to listen to a few songs before I could jot down my opinion. They're not the worst example, but they're not the best in my opinion. I appreciate what they have to offer. It's a different image to me. From what I'm seen, I haven't seen a lot of female metal vocalist like that. But I feel there could be better examples of metalcore or at least look up more bands before judging from just one. You feel me? There are bands like All That Remains, August Burns Red, As I Lay Dying, Bullet For My Valentine, Killswitch Engage, and Miss May I who more or less play metalcore who I feel would be better.
Metalcore is a genre of metal that can include folks who can play their instruments well and are great at overproducing their product BUT absolutely SUCK at writing music!!
Although i'm late to this video but I totally disagree with you on most points. In my 25years of my life I've listened to many metal bands. I don't consider myself "metalhead" because I listen to almost every genre. Now to the point, I've met many people who listens to metal and none said they hate metalcore. We all listen to anything from cradle of filth, slayer, children of bodom, carcass, iron maiden, dream theater, anthrax, exodus, behemoth, venom and so on to underoath, bring me the horizon, killswitch engage, northlane, as I lay dying, Abr, architects, novelist fr etc. We never had a problem. I personally can't listen to thrash or heavy metal all the time so I switch it up to metalcore or prog metal or even to soft pop punk, indie and country music. You talk about lyrics, metalcore has much as good songwriting as any other metal. Not every song is about crying over a breakup. Many metalcore has good lyrics of real life issues and about the real world. Many people say lack of solos in metalcore if I want to listen to some solos I'll go listen to inspiring instrumental bands like intervals, animals as leaders, chon, mogwai, polyphia etc. Stop judging music and the reason I got triggered is not because I like metalcore it is because how people generalize a genre/sub genre without giving it a listen. Even there's good pop hip hop music as well that doesn't mean you'll judge the entire genre by listening to some. If its not for you leave it but respect the artists and musician. Metal is not the only genre I listen to i love hip hop, pop(kpop and jpop included), jazz, rock and everything. So don't use "we" in your title because there are many people in the world who are actually open about every music and listen to every kind of music without shitting on them. But I remember the last time I was going through some tough time it was bands like we came as romans, linkin park, dream theater and nothing nowhere got me out of it. Music is powerful and it doesnt matter genre/sub genre it is.
So many of these comments are overlooking the beginning of metalcore, which was a movement comprised of uncompromisingly heavy, bizarre bands mashing hardcore and metal pretty seamlessly. Metalcore is an incredibly broad genre tag, that unfortunately lumps bands like Converge, Harm's Way, Code Orange, etc. with bands like Unearth, Chimaira, Trivium, etc. Those two groups have such fundamentally different sounds, depending on WHERE their punk and metal blend comes from. If I grew up listening to Gorilla Biscuits and Bolt Thrower, my band is going to sound drastically different than if my influences are Pantera and Fugazi, with bits of Nu Metal thrown in. To lump all of that expansive genre-building together and call 100% of it bland based on your experience one band's live performance is incredibly small-minded.
You cant say metalcore is generic if you haven't listened to the dillinger escape plan. They are very technical and the lyrics are very meaningful and they also expeirement a lot. Converge is also a good example and Killswitch engage is the most average metalcore band yet they sum up the genre the best. Butcher babies is horrible and so are metalcore bands like attila. Its not technical and lyrics are nothing but edgy bullshit with no substance. Those bands do not represent this genre as a whole. The emo shit and post hardcore shit is terrible but if you were going to look through these shit bands, you will find that you are wrong. There are a ton of good metalcore bands that are good, its just you havent looked hard enough. That is pretty ignorant of an opinion coming from a metalhead who is usually more understanding than the average person. Your expeirience with butcher babies should not sum up your opinion of metalcore. There are a ton of bands in any sub genre of metal that give it a bad name.
who the fuck told u that Dillinger Escape Plan is just metalcore?those guys are mathcore!you cant defend the metalcore genre by naming a band that does a subgenre of that genre,thats like defending black metal using Cradle Of Filth as an example! but Id recommend As I Lay Dying too,even though they are labeled as "melodic metalcore" which is kinda a subgenre of metalcore,it is close enough to actual metalcore music...but still you have to admit,the genre has more weak bands than actual good ones (especially compared to other genres of metal)
MHZHellGuitar tdep is considered mathcore which is a sub genre of metalcore and avant garde metal but still its in the genre. and cradle of filth is still considered black metal but they are a bit different lyrically and musically and i do agree that metalcore has more weaker bands than stronger but the stronger bands are extremely good but thats only for a few bands within the genre
+Wilt Kitty It seems like every metal subgenre only has a few "extremely good" bands and the rest weak... I always hear people talking about the same 4 or 5 bands for every subgenre, lol
Cradle of Filth sucks live. But let's get to the point: Why don't "we" like metalcore? The fans. The music is VERY metal. Heaven Shall Burn fucking crushes. That's just one example of many but that serves my point. When you say there is no substance I have to laugh as you point out Cradle of Filth as a great live show. CoF has some of the most fucking laughable lyrics I've ever heard. I am personally a fan of Grindcore, some of it has a lot of substance but there is a lot of shit for lyrics that aren't even worthy of an ICP song. And let me say this once and for all. Black metal dumbs metal down. 98% of it has shit production and is basically trash can guitars, inaudible guitars with some dude going "SCREEEEEEEEEEEEE" into a microphone that sound like it came from a Teddy Ruxpin someone found at a thrift store back in 1992.
Dude, don't hate on black metal. Look at Gorgoroth, Agollach, Burzum, and Wolves in the Throne Room. Not to forget, Velvet Cocoon. They're black metal and awesome. I'm just saying that do not put one metal sub-genre in the spotlight by shoving the others off stage without fully knowing about them.
There are a few notable metalcore bands out there, like Killswitch Engage, (old) All that Remains, As I Lay Dying (when they where still a thing), and Parkway Drive. I think Metalcore gets a negative connotation because of bands like Asking Alexandria, Of Mice and Men, Sleeping with Sirens etc. Bands that, like you said, lack substance. Metalcore has become repetitive and boring. Modern metalcore is like "Oh let's scream here, sing here, breakdown here..." It's just become a thing to appeal to a large crowd and get money. If you want to give metalcore a chance, listen to these albums by these bands. All that Remains-The Fall of Ideals Parkway Drive-Horizons Killswitch Engage-Alive or Just Breathing As I Lay Dying-Shadows are Security These metalcore bands get people to listen to heavier shit eventually. I used to listen to Five Finger Death Punch and Avenged Sevenfold, which got me listening to Killswitch Engage and Eventually bands like Behemoth, Immortal, Nile etc...
lets not forget, old ill nino, old emmure old for today, poison the well, the chariot, bleeding through, old underoath, plus metalcore gave birth to deathcore bands like all shall perish, new emmure, suicide silence, thy art is murder, Whitechapel, carnifex, chelsea grin etc metalcore has a huge influence on post hardcore which is the emo side of things I hate when people bash metalcore when its post hardcore that's generic and mushy
Metalcore is flat. There is nothing interesting about it. Once one gets over the idea of "break downs" It comes across as a kind of metal made for people who are just getting into metal or think that's what all metal is. It's a cheese burger happy meal. I'd put Slip Knot and Lamb of God in the same camp. Actually Meshuggah too. Real bore fests. But to keep in mind, these bands are also gate way bands.
look at metalcore Bands like the amity affliction, blessthefall or at metalcore-inspired Bands like periphery... those Bands do have their own character, do have deep and substacial lyrics and really good composition. Metalcore has some things to it that other Metal genres can't give you. if you like it or not, you guyz should stop hating it. i for example really don't like the sound and feel of death Metal. but I do See that many people like it and that it's a respected sub genre of metal. why the fuck cant you do the same with us metalcorefans. you don't need to Like the music. but just appreciate it as a different and even more evolved type of metal. from Solos to complex polyrythmic djenty Riffs... there is a change. but that's just a different approach. Not Bad. and it definitivly counts as metal
Coming from someone who used to be the core kid, if you don’t like death metal, bands like Death and Amon Amarth might change your mind. I always prefer their sound over more standard stuff like Cannibal Corpse
Believe it or not, Most people who like metalcore don't like butcher babies
The thing is... as in any other subgenre there's good bands and bad bands. Unfortunately there's quite a few metalcore bands that I consider bad (one of them being butcher babies, although imo they're not even metalcore but w/e). But when metalcore was big and bands sprang up like mushrooms, this perception of metalcore being 'not metal' came up just as it came up with nu metal before. Yes, there were a huge bunch of 08/15 yawn metalcore bands but there also were some really good ones. I still like stuff like God Forbid, Unearth and Darkest Hour for example because they all have very unique characteristics and are actually (objectively) good musicians.
This video is fucking retarded. Fuck Butcher Babies. Mainstream chewed up bullshit not even worth commenting on
Nice icon!
+Olober Syko The Almity Affliction... See they are an example of a Good MetalCore band through telling a story
A Wet Tombstone POV the devil wears prada, oceans ate alaska, august burns red, miss may i, the amity affliction, i see stars (up to 2013 they still kill their old stuff live), architects, feed her to the sharks, forevermore, erra, and northlane are all REALLY solid metalcore bands, but thats just my opinion, for everyone else, not so sure, but for those who have doubts about metalcore they should listen to the bands I listed
Remember, he said why most metalheads don't like metalcore, not that metalcore was bad. Very different.
you didnt watch the whole video
What can I say? I like both, metal and metalcore. Really I don't understand why there is so much hate.
DarkObsession. Your right, I listen to obituary, death and municipal waste (to name a few) but I also like bands such as bfmv, trivium and kill-switch engage. I mean I do kind of agree with the fact that a lot of modern metalcore bands are quite ‘poppy’, which is why you see a lot of metalcore bands turn to pop... (bring me to the horizon). But I don’t agree with the fact that the sub genre as a whole is just full of posers and scene kids. I think a lot of metalcore bands actually have more songwriting and musicianship on their work then people think there are and I generally think shogun by Trivium is the greatest album of the 21st century.
@@egg2895I may like stuff like groove, thrash, death, black metal more but metalcore isn't a bad genre there's just too many shitty soft new bands that polluted the genre and covered the good and awesome bands like the ones you named for me its just As I Lay Dying and Heaven Shall Burn and no other bands, plus these two are the heaviest in the genre alone.
Pancake Escobar Yeah ok I see your point
It’s hard for me not to like some core like While She Sleeps but most metalcore seems too emo for me now that I’ve gotten rid of a core phase (cringe). Something cool always pops up in my feed whether it’s Death or The Weeknd
Alot of it is because the kids born after 98 that sub genre the fuck out of everything. Give me metal anything and beer and ill be happy. If im not then give me 5 more beers and i will be lol.
No lie though there is way more substance in the older metal of any category
Metalcore and Deathcore or just like any other Metal sub-gen
There are good bands and there are shit bands everywhere
The only death-core I liked was Black Dahlia Murder.
@@BOG0690 That's not deathcore they are Melodic Death metal. Suicide silence and Carnifex are 2 good deathcore bands, but check their older stuff.
Core and deathcore aint metal
Isnt white chapel death core?
@@okalright3941 yes
I think the reason deathcore is popular (especially with younger people) is actually the way music is exposed now. It's pretty easy to find great metal if you are already indoctrinated into the sound, but otherwise you are going to be presented with less extreme things through normal channels (radio, tv, spotify, even the youtube algorithms).
Just as an anecdote, I had a student a few years back that listened to nothing but metalcore and deathcore. I asked her if she like Carcass, and she'd never heard of them, so I let hear some, and it really excited her. A few weeks later she was listening to nothing but classic death metal, and the fandom grew from there.
Music is music in their aesthetics. People just whine too damn much...
Well idk its like...almost an insult when you hear watered down version of "metal" but its whatever. Everything gets watered down and clichéd
i don't think certain things are watered down. they're just heavier, musically, a lot of times more emotional, and have a more modern sound. i like black sabbath but that doesn't mean i wouldn't love to mosh my ass off to suicide silence or some other heavy deathcore band.
Nah
As someone who loves a lot of very diverse music genres, it seems inevitable that there is a lot of music I don't like. Call it whatever you want. Metalcore, Deathcore, Hardcore or any -core I've heard so far just isn't for me. Let alone utter shit like grindcore. I walked out on Napalm Death after a mere 3 minutes, because they bored the absolute shit out of me.
I agree, I can't stand it when people get way too into a certain sound and shit on everyone who doesn't agree with them like "oh you don't like this band? You're not true metal!" Just listen to what you like and what resonates with you, everyone is different, get the fuck over yourself. That being said, I think butcher babies is an absolutely terrible band, like the video said they are bland and generic and trying way too hard to be edgy, it seems to me like they just bank their ticket sales on the female vocalists who let their tits hang out during the show. Also staying on topic with the video, Ne Obliviscaris is absolutely amazing, just got into them a few months ago and they are one of the best newer bands I've heard in long time. This comment ended up being way longer than I intended haha.
People who complain about music not being metal enough are missing out. Who cares? Enjoy music. People act like metal is a sport where everything competes against one another.
Oh and metal heads dumb the scene down. Not "all" but "many". How do you expect metal to survive if there is no growth or change in metal? Another thing that I think is odd is that metal heads want people to know and love their bands as well, but at the same time cry sellout when they become mainstream.
There has been massive growth. The problem is people like you refuse to even both to listen to Gothic metal, Power metal, Symphonic metal, Folk metal and prog metal. I mean heaven for bid a band has melody and harmony in there music. And if they have a female signer you guys go ape shit like it's a sin.
And if the male singer is well singing really good well that's a sin to.
“Enjoy” you’re not getting the point, people DON’T enjoy it.
Delain124 I e never seen a single person who fits those characteristics
@@okbuddy2924 and just because you don't enjoy something doesn't mean no one else is allowed too.
I love Heavy Metal, Thrash Metal, Death Metal, Metalcore, Deathcore, Emo, screamo, Alternative, Nu Metal, Hard Rock, Hair Metal, etc... If you listen to the right stuff, it’s music.
Good for you.
Nigga!
I like what you are saying,it shouldn't matter what genre it is,its all about how well the artist is.
i dont like some of those genres but i respect your opinion
@@mikewazowskisrightleg3602 I dont!
I don't think it's fair to judge an entire genre of music due to one band when you have bands like Architects, August Burns Red, Parkway Drive, The Ghost Inside, While She Sleeps, Northlane, Wage War and In Hearts Wake all have very good song writing and lyrics and they are not generic.
Theobod Parkway Drive is fuckin incredible. My favorite band
YOUR PROFILE PIC IS SEA SHEPHERDS FUCK YEAH!
Theobod northlane is actually really good
go back to the 90's, way better bands
Theobod And KSE, BFMV and ATR
Butcher Babies has to be one of the most awful bands out there, musically.
Agreed to bad Carla Harvey is dating Charlie Benante from Anthrax. I said it once now I'm saying it again Butcher Babies are stupid industry plants to prove Metal appeals to women but fails at doing it.
I was very into metalcore for about 3 years ago. But the love for the genre faded away with time as I got more into thrash, death and black metal.
Theo Kumlin7 sane here dude now I’m gonna see Slayer in November
I started my Metal Journey with Bullet For My Valentine's The Poison, I thought it was the greatest thing ever, but after listening to Dio, Maiden and Manowar...
Metalcore just got tossed to the side
It was similar for me. Back then the "real" metal bands I knew were kinda crappy (Arch Enemy, DevilDriver and a few others I don't remember) so I started to listen to metalcore bands that I liked better. Stuff like Within the Ruins, After the Burial, August Burns Red, Parkway Drive, etc.
As soon as I started to discover truly good metal bands I kinda abandoned metalcore and have never looked back since. Nowadays I love stuff like Vader, Deströyer 666, Exmortus, Mgla, Black Royal, Church of Misery and so many more awesome bands. I'm super thankful that my younger self didn't just get comfortable with the mediocre music I used to listen to.
I always tell people to never stop looking for good music to listen to. There is always something amazing you haven't heard yet out there!
Same
Same here dude!
Metalcore were like my baby steps in Metal and I just grew out of it
For me, metalcore was a beginning to my interest in metal. After 2 years of listening to metalcore; I decided to go heavier with my interest. I introduced myself to death and heavy metal bands. Some examples are Aetherian, and Bloodbath .
I can't listen to metalcore anymore because they don't deliver the same extremes like the metal I listen to today. It's like going back to my "cringey emo" years.
Metalcore in the last 2 years has had a massive throwback to stupid heavy beatdown so maybe check some newer stuff out
Hey BlackMetal Werewolf, you left your sacrificed Goat in the woods again.
my bad
Blackmetal Werewolf Second time this week
this made my day
Lol
I just paused the video and went and listened to Butcher babies and I dont think its very fair to put bands like Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, and August burns Red in the same category as that crap
To be fair, putting bands like Killswitch Engage in the same genre as Converge is the same thing
Macabre Art ikr
Butcher babies are great. Gtfo
@@mellowcorpsep6665 I consider converge to just be hardcore . but yes butcher babies are complete ass
Why? They all suck just as bad as each other.
Death metal for the win
Death Metal yes, Deathcore no
@@ab-ud8np no. Black Metal is the best
a b I like brutal death matal ,death metal and deathcore
@@Dosemen I don't like simple deathcore but shrine of malice and some slaughter to prevail and shadow of intent
Dio wins
metalcore have realy good bands like: Trivium, Shadows Fall, August Burn Red,As i Lay Dying,Unearth, Killswitch Engage,All That Remains
Lucas Gontijo "As I Lay Dying, Shadows Fall, Killswitch Engage, All That Remains."
Some really good bands right there.
Lucas Gontijo BFMV...?
Heaven shall burn
Caliban,still remains,in this moment,i killed the prom queen,destroy the runner
Parkway drive?
Not right to judge metalcore by a mediocre band like this, I mean there are a lot of really crappy heavy metal bands without substance out there as well.
nahh, there's a problem with the genre as a whole. find me a metalcore band with a 2016 release that doesnt have a pace breaking clean chorus.... go ahead, I'll wait
dosbox907 There are certainly elements in metalcore that do not appeal to everyone. In this case, most people would refer to the style of clean vocals (as you mentioned) and the breakdowns. This is a matter of preference and, in my opinion, does not portray the overall substance of a song as they simply serve as a stylistic device.
dosbox907 I'm not as up to date on metalcore releases as other people may be but I'm pretty certain that there are lots of metalcore bands without clean vocalists out there. (People who read this are invited to list some 2016 releases)
I can name a 2015 (ABR- found in far away places)......but hey, that was only 2015
+zohaib moonis LOVE that album. Wasn't a complete fan until I heard that album. Then I was completely blown away. And me personally, I don't consider them just "metalcore", I consider them "melodic metalcore" because of all the melodies that JB (lead guitarist) plays.
"There wasn't even one guitar solo".....the fuck does it matter?
a good song becomes better with a good guitar solo, that's why.
but yeah, some songs don't really need guitar solos, it's up for the artists to use them or what, it's their own freedom.
+listeha ribuhara that's completely your opinion, I feel a guitar solo is just a gimmick, but I also agree that it can provide an extra element in a song.
theone1 i told you, it can provide an extra element in a song.
usually, most people who like more of classical metal can really feel what the solos are for, thus, they can define a good solo and a bad solo, and how a song can be better or worse with solos. good guitar solos can be considered as parts of songs that can portray emotions without relying on lyrics.
while most people who like modern metal can appreciate the music without solos, it is actually up for the listeners to like it or not, and for the artists to put a solo or not.
No solos? Check out As I Lay Dying
+listeha ribuhara solos aren't a big deal especially if musicianship is there but I think he was more aiming towards how if most of your songs compose of catchier, more simplistic, mediocre riffs, solos are often added to give more flavor so it doesn't get redundant etc (a lot of classic rock does this although I personally still find the majority of it boring and even then after learning to play the guitar and after becoming a more advanced player you can see even the solos are generic and although sound cool to the average listener are actually some of the most mediocre stuff etc)) but butcher babies did none of this and they were just straight up not good.
This actually describes how I feel about metalcore 100%. No offense to anyone who likes it, everyone is entitled to their own taste in music. I'm not going to hate on it or shit talk it, it's just one of those things where I never got what all the hype was about because personally, it bored me. Good video, very well spoken.
My personal opinion is that Metalcore is Metal written by Hardcore kids and it doesn’t include some of the things that we, as Metalheads, like about Metal.
I also feel that in the singwriting aspect, breakdowns are added as an afterthought and usually feel forced. I just will never like breakdowns as much as a Hardcore kid.
this is well put.
We have to take into consideration that some musicians just have better ideas and better talent for composing their music; which is why the mediocre copycats are abundant. That goes for any metal genre, because even BM has some festering trash bands out there with hardcore simps😂 The generic TV static sound of some BM is akin to the djent breakdown of core😂
TO: Blackmetal Werewolf. Never heard of Butcher Babies, been listening to Metalcore for 8 years. Just listened to them, they fucking suck. The word "Generic" is used too much between Metalcore fans, we recognize when a band is generic. Also, all of Metalcore isn't inherently Emo, there's just a number of bands that invaded the genre with that crap. Metalcore is actually very diverse and is evolving a lot. There's bands in the Progressive Metalcore bracket who are really pushing the genre to new places. There are many types of Metalcore bands: Math Metalcore like Converge, Pop-Metalcore like Asking Alexandria(Fuck those bands), Progressive Metalcore like August Burns Red or Silent Planet, Death Metal Influenced Metalcore like As I Lay Dying, the list goes on and I'd be happy to try and direct you to the right Metalcore band for you tastes. You just have to find the good bands, and they exist I assure you. Metalcore never gets a chance because of shitty pop bands being the only reference and unjustly being representative of the entire genre. Every genre has a shit commercial version, know the difference. And if you still don't like it, it's cool. Every genre has their niche fans, and the Hardcore element is unappealing to many.
I've tried listening to so many but i can never get into it. No matter what sub genre. The boy band appeal and weak lyrics kind of put me off. I don't want to just brush them off without giving them another chance. Can you recommend anything? I been really into bands like Agalloch, Harakiri for the sky, and wodensthrone lately. I also absolutely love old Thrash.
I agree with you. I like metalcore, and the way they compose their songs and for so many bands, their lyrics are so deep, but then you find the emo bands that think a single heavy drum beat makes them part of this genre, and it fucks it all up. I love the hardcore, the deep vocals and fast drum beats, but there are so many boybands that are full of themselves and think that they can get away with genre hopping, and sometimes they do.
Could not agree more
@CrimsonAltar here is quite a diverse list, containing bands from many subgenres of metalcore:
Monuments - I the Creator, I the Destroyer (such groove)
Ascariasis - Shatter (do yourself a favour and just listen to the entire Ocean Of Colour EP)
Bleeding Through - Germany, French Inquisition
Catch The Sun - Nothing Lasts Forever
The Acacia Strain - The Widowmaker, The Impaler (so heavy.)
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Prancer (they are very diverse)
Elitist - Reshape Reason
Fit For An Autopsy - The Great Gift Of The World, Tremors (the whole Hellbound album is a masterpiece)
Kardashev - Potentiality, Tier 3 - Galactic Achievement (a lot of atmospheric death in there)
Make Them Suffer - Neverbloom, Widower
Maintain - Arsonists
Lorelei - Godfather Death, The Dunwich Horror (the whole Lore of Lies album is so good.)
Martyr Defiled - No Morality, Demons In The Mist
Shores Of Elysium - Entity In The Void
Trough The Eyes Of The Dead - Inherit Obscurity, The Manifest
Within The Ruins - Gods Amongst Men, The Other
so much for generic
Metalcore and Emo are two different subgenres.
No mosh No core No trends, No Fun!
Who knows that that is from see if you can get it
Nice raphi pfp
Jess Isgreat you got that from lords of chaos 😕 aka worst movie ever
Wait I guess this is from a worst movie called Lord of chaos
@@blasphemylord6663 ikr I think the same thing lmao
@@jjominol yeah they even put “thank you me postman”
I just checked out that Ne Obliviscaris band and they are friggen SICK!!
giv dem medisin
Personally I think metalcore can be good but when you have to wade through some shit to find the good ones
the average metalheads like all genres of metal, an elitist will say he doesnt like metalcore because its not metal
Incorrect, you clearly don't know what elitism is, so you need a dictionary. Also technically speaking metalcore isn't a subgenre of metal at all as it's a fusion between metal and punk like crossover thrash.
Because metal core is by and large an aberration to the feeling culture sound and overall aesthetic experience of heavy metal. Antithetical really.
I'll listen to anything but metalcore and deathcore.the sound and lyrics puts me off
I like you and I like this comment you my friend are getting a like thank you
+HarbingerOfTruth1 Is this an attempt at satire? You're trying to sound like an elitist yourself.
I like your videos, but there are a few things I want to point out:
>"Average metalheads don't like metalcore."
That is true about a lot of metalheads, especially in the more extreme and obscure scenes, but I always saw that demographic as being strongly over-amplified by the internet. Log out of Metal-Archives and talk to anybody at a heavy metal show about this - I guarantee you that most of them would either simply listen to it or not care about it. Hell, most mainstream metal festivals feature metalcore (as well as nu-, industrial-, and other "false" metal) acts on their tickets. (See Wacken and Mayhem fest.)
>"Metalcore is generic. There's not much you can do with it."
I did lose interest in metalcore years ago, in part due to my tastes changing, but in another part, I'll admit, due to being tired of hearing the same damn breakdown. Here's the problem with your argument, though: every scene consists of a desert of mediocrity with an oasis of talent. What you're saying can easily be applied to any metal subgenre - have you even tried keeping count of every death and black metal band that knocks off Morbid Angel and Darkthrone? With that said, there kind of is a reason why death metal lost momentum with the death of Chuck Schuldiner. On top of that, there is much more creative room and activity with metalcore than there is with thrash metal - once you've heard the big four of thrash, you've heard almost all of it worth hearing. Hell, even Slayer has become a knockoff of itself while Megadeth has released a lot of non-Thrash and Metallica moved away from thrash over 20 years ago.
>"Metalcore lyrics and art aren't well-done."
It seems you haven't read a lot of metalcore lyrics or seen any metalcore album art. Also, my last point applies here: once you've read a handful of black and death metal songs dealing with Satanism, necrophilia, and murder, you've pretty much read at least a good 75% of it.
>"Not enough guitar solos."
A guitar solo doesn't automatically make a song good, and the lack thereof doesn't make it bad. Some songs sound interesting without them, while others seem to desperately throw them in as salvation from monotony. And again. Have you heard most black metal? Do you even Gorgoroth?
I was about to say, if anything most of the metalcore bands I have heard have a ton of guitar solos (although I guess it is only for melodic metalcore but still)
I love you bro, but Butcher Babies don't belong to Metalcore genre.
I guess you got it wrong about Metalcore bands.
Metal is like an Apple No one likes The Core
Anonymous Euronymous lmao
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You deserve a medal for that comment well put
Grindcore is the only good core genre.
For good reason too.
This whole video (and most of these comments) is coming from people who only know of metal, and not much about hardcore or metalcore. Have you guys ever heard of Converge? Or any GOOD metalcore band? Wtf is Butcher Babies? Look at the lyrics of bands like Parkway Drive for instance.. Go see August Burns Red, or Norma Jean etc. and tell me that those bands don't put their heart into their music and have a ton of talent. Saying that metalcore as a whole doesn't have talent or passion seriously does not make sense.
Also, this is coming from someone who absolutely loves metal and hardcore. There isn't much of that that I don't like. I've grown up listening to bands like Agathodaimon, Mercenary, Dark Tranquility, Wolves in the Throne Room, Scar Symmetry, Burzum, etc. But also, Bleeding Through, Terror, Magrudergrind, Ringworm, etc. and then I also liked bands like A Day to Remember, Broadway, and whatever else. So pretty much all my life people have hated things that i like, and loved things that i love. Haven't met someone who hated everything i liked or liked everything i like. Not sure why. Lol. It's all just different tastes. Some people have a wider array than others. I noticed that "metalheads" tend to be the ones with narrow preferences.. And then they say stuff like "but i like some EDM" or "but i listen to classical too!" Lol
I'd argue that there are quite a few more overrated metal bands considering it is a way more popular genre. Some of the most overrated acts of all time are metal. The only people who like the "popular" metalcore (aka shit like of mice and men etc.) are young kids who like going to warped tour and shit. I love The Fall of Ideals album from All That Remains, but that is really intro-level metalcore. That is like, guitar hero music. Obviously you need to dig a little bit to find the really good stuff, but of course you kind of need to be into hardcore even just a little in order for you to really enjoy that type of music. Instead of saying there "there are good metalcore bands," you probably mean to say "there are some metalcore bands I like." And they just happen to be the more popular metalcore bands which only verge on the edge of the genre.. bands like All That Remains and As I Lay Dying tend to appeal to fans of metal. But when the genre first emerged, it had a lot of crossover with hardcore. You really do need to like both types of music to get into it. Otherwise I'd say it is a pointless discussion. I'd be like me holding a conversation about classic metal like metallica and iron maiden and all that. I do not like that music, and I don't listen to that music. So I'm not gonna sit here and call it overrated and bad. It just isn't my kind of music so I leave it alone.
And yeah at the end of the day anyone can listen to whatever the fuck they want.. and at the end of the day metal will continue to have the most elitist fans in existence lol but its okay
Parkway Drive is nothing like Hardcore
sure it is.
you said "they all sound the same" I'm not a fan of metalcore but that statement is what everyone says about metal in general..
Even the guy on the vid looks fucking cliche.
A Thor hammer? Iron Maiden posters? WOW SO ORIGINAL, MY BRAIN BLEW OUT!!!
All the reasons pedestrian music fans ignore metal are the same reasons that different subgenre snobs ignore and dog each other. Metalcore, djent and prog are my bread and butter, but god forbid I say that to some spike wearing goof with long hair, especially since I don't look like a metal fan. All these attitudes are why I will never label myself a metalhead. That, and I have the nuts to admit that good pop music exists.
Thank you! I feel like people are too caught up in certain groups that they automatically hate everything else. Like, I'll talk to a metal head and say that I like metal and I'll get comments like "oh yea? Name Amon Amarths full discography then!" It's annoying and I'm just here for a good time. I listen to all kinds of music. It's really not a big deal.
amen to that! gotta love t.A.T.u as much as KSE dude haha...
+Lethal Kitty "In my league" What league? There's leagues in being a metalhead? That just sounds ultra-pretentious.
***** I would say you completely missed the point, but enjoy the ride up there on your high horse.
+Lethal Kitty That was a troll comment, right?
This is the sad thing: Metalcore is metal. Metalcore has also changed over the years and slowly started fading from real metal. I just wish people new the original Metalcore
MONSTERMETALMACHINE yeah like Fuckin Integrity
Joshua Browne Fuck yeah dude. Most “metalcore” bands nowadays are popcore. Mislabeled genre just like emo and screamo
Even bands like Killswitch and Trivium are very "meh"... Heavy Metal and Thrash Metal is far more evil and Masculine
Yeah i like all out war & acme
I'm a metalcore fan but I'm also a black, death, folk, Viking, doom etc fan. I love core.
Same
same but i like deathcore.
Never could get into metalcore... not shaming the genre but it's like hot topic kinda metal. 🤷🏿♀️ whatevs
Listen to poison the well and you'll change your mind
Dude, a TON of it is. But there is some actually good stuff. Just have to search hard. But yeah, a ton sucks
architects, while she sleeps try them or bring me the horizon-crucify me
fit for a king - pissed off
It is pop metal imo
I like metalcore. That genre has so many great bands. Especially Unearth!
take over the world, and divide our own, does hate mean freedom
Love Unearth and Between the buried and me
Killswitch Engage
walls of jericho and hatebreed is good too
“Metalcore is not Metal”
they Clearly haven’t heard bands like Parkway Drive then
There's great Metalcore bands out there, Butcher Babies is NOT one of those bands...just shitty gimmick metal
Butcher Babies is more new age thrash than anything else. Not metalcore at all
deathcore
+Hoshi Hearts Not at all
Obviously dude.
yeah, i can see that way more than metalcore. I don't see Killswitch Engage and August Burns Red the same as Butcher Babies.
Yes! Agreed. Not MetalCore. Just TITS
I think Butcher Babies is a bad example of metalcore
miss may I's older material, or kill switch engage would be a better example for metalcore
Ty Rivera and As I Lay Dying
They're a terrible example.
I got into metalcore hatd about two hree years ago. I loved bands like as i lay dying and parkway drive . Downloaded the whole discographies. Then when i started to watch reaction videos of people explain about phase changes, tempo changes , hard parts to make musically , hard choruses to make, hard chorus music and everything about the differences of metal fron other types of music. Then i started noticing these facts in songs . When i listened to bands like parkway drive and as i lay dying etc i started seeing the similarities in every song. These songs were literally the same thing for me with a different riff . The intros the drum fills in their songs were similar . They kinda used the same structure. And i got hella bored . And the vocals started get annoying and it sounded very popy and easy done. But then i listened to avenged sevenfold. Its weird i know . Then i got super interested because they actually worked super hard to cahnge their songs and albums. I was suprised how their albums were all different from each other and each song. They wrote lyrics to sing on thrashy riffs and they did much harder music than other bands . But anyways they get shit a lot but if you want to metal core stuff checkout their first two albums and trivium and killswitch engage . Other metalcore bands started becoming a trend and i always felt like it waa going the way that pop music is. Everyone does the same kinda thing and in everything and when someone does a trick everybody else also does it ad when it is over used they stop it and so the wheel turns.
May I remind you: Converge, Norma Jean, Botch, Dillinger Escape Plan, Every Time I Die, Killswitch Engage, Counterparts, August Burns Red, Between the Buried and Me, Cancer Bats, Code Orange Kids, Hatebreed, Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza, The Fall of Troy, Glass Cloud, Hundredth, Ion Dissonance, Madball, Protest the Hero, Ringworm, Shadows Fall, Sikth, Terror, Throwdown, Trivium, Unearth, and Veil of Maya are all metal core bands
Hatebreed are hardcore
Trivium is closer to heavy thrash metal than metalcore.
+Kenneth McPhail their later albums are thrash based
So were their other albums.
KSE
I strongly dislike metalcore. My opinion. I've given it a chance before and just can't get into it
this comment is 2 years ago but i just wan to ask what metalcore bands youve listened to
@@d.vldymyr3381 yep, that definetely matters
That’s fair enough. However, I will say that it is an extremely broad genre and so there’s probably something in it for you.
You like thrash or classic heavy metal? Listen to trivium.
You like beatdown hardcore? Listen to knocked loose or disembodied.
You like grindcore? You might like converge’s aggressive sound.
You like melodic death metal? Check out darkest hour.
How about djent? Check out currents.
You a fan of technical/progressive stuff? You would really not want to miss oceans ate Alaska.
You like melodic hardcore? Listen to while she sleeps.
You like emotional hardcore? Counterparts is the metalcore band for you.
How about skramz? Youd probably enjoy wristmeetrazor or seeyouspacecowboy.
@@No1WillMakeItOutAlive can i ask why you consider while she sleeps hardcore? because i thought they're metalcore
@@d.vldymyr3381 i would consider them neither
To me, metalcore just doesn't carry the metal spirit. The music is just way too bland and superficial, lyrically and musically.
I had a metalcore phase and always hated this gatekeeping and people saying it‘s not metal. But my view has changed. I don‘t want to say metalcore is bad music, if you enjoy it, it‘s fine! But metal was supposed to be subcultural, always exploring and widening the boundaries of what is considered music or how it is supposed to sound. Metalcore takes some elements (heavy guitar, screaming etc, you might say the CORE), but mixes it with melodies that could be taken out of any charts song. It makes the music way more accessible, but takes away the spirit of it: the music doesn‘t try to be different, it tries to fit in.
This leads to a completely different feeling at concerts, especially at festivals. Metalcore bands headline many big festivals, because so many people want to see them and are ready to pay a lot of money for it. The crowd at big metal festivals almost feels like any rock or pop show. You might call me an elitist for saying that‘s a bad thing, I would have done so several years ago. Metalcore helped me to get used to harsh vocals and was a part of my musical journey. Without it, I would have never listened to Death or Black Metal.
However I personally don’t like the influence it has on the metal scene.. And I know nobody gives a fuck about what I think, but I wish there was more of a separation between metal and metalcore events
so I cannot consider myself a metalhead if I listen to metalcore more than other metal subgenres?
No you are a metalhead because metalcore is a sub genere of metal. Personally, I can enjoy any style of metal, balck and death metal included
Uh he never fuckin said that dude, stop getting offended over dumb shit, just enjoy what you enjoy.
Metalcore isn‘t really metal ? Sounds more like hardcore Punk ?
You can consider yourself a clown for acting like a victim because someone explained why they don't like something you do
@@SorceressWitch do you know what an elitist actually is? Simply not liking something doesn't make you an elitist. The word has completely lost its meaning because of everyone labelling everything as elitist when it's really not
My answer to the question "Is metalcore metal or not" is always "it depends on the band".
It really just depends on whether they're more metal, or more core.
METALcore bands:
-A7X
-BFMV early work (Hand Of Blood EP, The Poison, Scream Aim Fire, partially Fever)
-Killswitch Engage
-As I Lay Dying
-Trivium
metalCORE bands:
-Black Veil Brides
-Motionless In White
-Asking Alexandria
-Falling In Reverse
METALcore bands have a lot more metal elements, such as frequent guitar solos and beautiful melodies, and more metal structures, more emphasis on just raw instruments rather than overusing synth and electronic effects, and I think this genre of music is amazing. metalCORE however is where you start to lose me, it is essentially pop but with a punk sound. No guitar solos, no metal elements, just constant screaming and breakdowns, some of it can be good but it's mostly garbage imo.
Most metalheads don't like it because their definition of it is messed up. Something like Bullet For My Valentine and Asking Alexandria isn't 'real' Metalcore, its sold that way. Metalcore is, as the name suggests a combination of various Metal genres mixed with Hardcore Punk. Most of the so called 'Metalcore' bands nowadays are just chugga chugga breakdowns with autotuned poppy clean vocals. That's not what I define as Metalcore and I don't listen to this stuff myself, with a few exclusions.
The Metalcore I am talking about is bands like Integrity, Ringworm, Converge, Arkangel, Earth Crisis, All Out War and so on. I am pretty sure if you em some of these bands, mnay people who are into 'real' Metal would like them! Thats certainly how I got into those bands, because they combine some of my favourite bands like Obituary or Slayer with the speed and energy of Hardcore!
Fuck yes I love Earth Crisis! I'm not familiar with a lot of punk/hardcore music but they make me want to explore the genre more.
You're the type of dude to say "if it ain't got death growling it ain't metal"
Yo I know and love converge and I listen to earth crisis ringworm and integrity on occasion, but I have never even heard of arkangel! You’ve given me a new band to check out my dudaroo 🤘
Your the type of dude to consider Sylar metal smh
Asking Alexandria and bfmv is metalcore but more sophisticated, because every music genre changes over the years and becomes more complex. Metalcore is also inspired from melodic death metal, not only hardcore punk, that's why asking Alexandria/ Attack attack/ Of mice and men and other bands have different sound from metallic hardcore bands, hope you understand that :)
I'm really late to this video and discussion, but would like to present my opinion anyways. What I typically want from metal is lyrics that make me think, a story, perhaps, or a convincing display of differing philosophies/religious/political views, AND with music that matches those tones and emotions. Metalcore just doesn't give me that. Not saying there isn't any out there, but the bands that I have been presented with (from a cousin that is really into metalcore), just don't hit me like when I first heard bands like Savatage or Stratovarius.
But I would also like to say, there are tons of metal bands and sub-genres that I also don't like. I typically stay away form heavy vocals, as I can only hear limited emotions out of them, which tends to be rage, anger or hate, whether or not the lyrics match those emotions, and that isn't what I listen to metal for.
I'm a metalhead along with my boyfriend and we love metalcore
You want a cookie or something?
Dont be a dick.
ain't nothing wrong with metal core
The only good metalcore bands are
Trivium
Killswitch Engage
The Novelists
Munity Within
early All That Remains
As I Lay Dying
Bullet For My Valentine
Dreamshade
Lol "the Novelists" It's just Novelists dude. And there are way better bands than Novelists.
Whether or not you like metalcore is one thing. But to judge and generalize an entire genre of music, which honestly I don't think you know the first thing about, is ridiculous. There are a ton of metalcore bands which a lot of substance and creativity. I will agree that there are a lot of bullshit generic scene kid bullshit metalcore out there but that does not represent the genre as a whole. Converge, Zao, Unearth, The Ghost Inside, Integrity, and Shai Hulud are examples of really great metalcore bands with honestly more substance that I hear in a lot of metal bands. Read the lyrics to some Converge or Shai Hulud songs and compare that to lyrics of a typical goregrind band. I'm not saying there aren't metal bands with substance either because there certainly are. I'm just saying that in every genre of music you have good bands and you have bad bands.
I used to be kinda like you where I would write of entire genres of heavy music because it wasn't what I was currently into at the time. I started out listening to early 2000s metalcore, then I moved to death metal, black metal and grindcore. Then I was like "fuck hardcore, fuck metalcore, fuck anything that isn't metal". Then my tastes started to shift to hardcore punk and I was like "death metal is stupid and so is metalcore." But now I've gotten older and I just don't care about any of that bullshit anymore. I can spend one day listening to a bunch of obscure black metal bands or some sludge and doom bands with 20 minute songs and then the next day just listen to a bunch of tough guy beatdown hardcore. If it's heavy and it speaks to me I like it regardless of genre.
Metalcore is so much more than what you think it is. The popular metalcore bands give the genre a bad name but there's more than just Asking Alexandria out there. And again I get that some people just don't like how metalcore sounds but you can't just write it off as shallow and generic or based on one band.
Metalcore has no substance?!?! Architects focuses on religion & politics, In Hearts Awake and Bury Tomorrow focus on the environment... no substance smh. I can just as well cherry pick deathcore bands whose lyrics are pure rubbish
Phillip hanna Architects, for example, sing their hearts out in every song and their music itself is exceptional. Most deathcore bands hide behind loud guitars and long difficult to understand screams. That's lazy
even bands like the devil wears prada and for today has so much substance
We still can not deny the fact that its a sub genre of metal & shall be respected as that... a part of metal
"Clean singing doesn't belong it metal"
So, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Iron Maiden just never happened?
Phillip hanna metal is characterised by the music itself not the singing and Grey Sabbath has a point. The old metal bands aren't metal? Only Suicide Silence's blurry screams are?
I actually like metalcore....the good bands! My five favorite metalcore bands are As I Lay Dying, Earth Crisis, Hatebreed, Killswitch Engage and Unearth (my favorite one).
And weither metalheads like it or not, metalcore IS metal. It's part of the familly tree, even if you hate it! Same goes for deathcore! There are tons of subgenres that I hate or don't give a shit about, but I still acknowledge them as part of metal!
Thank you man i love you. Like what i always see around. Each genre can have good and bad bands. People just need to stop looking at the bad ones and say "metalcore isnt metal".
I listen to the bands you listen and no doubt they are metalcore except i see hatebreed and Earth crisis more towards Hardcore but hey they were in the line where metalcore started out
@@Melkor0410 Hatebreed and Earth Crisis are indeed more hardcore than metal, but they are still great! And they are also some of the pioneers of metalcore!
@@thewarrior6784 sexy heavy bands
What do you mean "we don't like metalcore'? I'm a huge black metal fan and actually I like hardcore and metalcore quite a lot. Mainly because their lyrics are political and very animal liberation-oriented.
Lol
i think he means the general metal head community. obviously not all metal heads dont like metalcore
the "average" metalheads should learn some important stuff before they talk shit about this and that,
thumbs up for your comment.
+Nielsfest what the fuck did you just say, animal liberation, what in the ever living fuck, lost shit to sing about?
SargentandGreenLeaf I don't understand your sentence.
It depends which band you’re listening to. Like Trivium and Killswitch Engage are pretty fucking cool cuz there’s more metal than core to it so it sounds less annoying.
I thought of the same thing trivium and killswitch engage are more metal then core they grow up listening to metal like Judas priest, Metallica, SLAYER, iron maiden,etc.
Jesse from killswitch also said he also grow up listening to hard-core punk music like Badbrains, x-ray Kennedy,etc..
Oh come on, BMTH, Asking Alexandria and Motionless in White are what people think of when someone says "metalcore". Butcher Babies aren't metalcore if you ask me. Have you read Motionless in White lyrics? BMTH Lyrics?
I may look happy, but honestly dear,
the only way I'll really smile is if you cut me ear to ear.
I see the vultures, they watch me bleed.
They lick their lips, as all the shame spills out of me.
That's from one of BMTH's earlier and heavier albums. Metalcore has a lot of good writing, and just because you heard Butcher Babies' more commercialized songs doesn't mean that's what metalcore is. While we're at the subject, let's revisit some of their lyrics. This is from the song "Grim Sleeper", which is about the serial killer of the same name.
I know death is lurking, I feel it near
Through the screams I can taste the fear
Calling out no one knows I'm here
I'm nameless faceless victim
Now, for the "trying to be edgy" part, let's see some of the Slayer lyrics
I am the new hell on earth
The lord of agony divine
Domination, intimidation
Lives within these eyes
The etire song is riddled with attempts to sound edgy. Not only that song at that, no sir. most of the songs are like this. "I am the hell on Earth", seriously? Can't get more tryhard edgy wannabe from there.
Another thing is, so what if there's no solos? I myself dislike solos greatly. Why? Complicated does not equal good. And they just plain out don't fit my taste. When I was little, my father would play old school metal in the car, and I'd cringe so hard when the solos started. Most of the time it feels like the guitarist just pauses the song to demonstrate what a showoff he is, and then it resumes, when what happened has no connection to the song whatsoever.
Let's talk about "real metal" having more diversity, shall we? Oh wait, all the vocals are the same. Same vibrato, same falsetto. I swear, when I hear music from the 70's and 80's, I cannot for the life of me tell if it's the same person or a different one singing nearly all the songs.
You know why I don't really like metalcore artists? They look like emo faggots until they are no longer teenagers. You know why I like their music? It sounds good to me. Hits the right spot, at least half of the artists. It's constantly changing and evolving, while what you call "real metal" just recycles the same things over and over. Check out the band for which I have an utmost respect, In Hearts Wake. Their texts have made me straight up cry, and their music is beyond amazing. Then, if you still claim metalcore is "ruining the scene", you're straight up beyond biased.
You wanna know why I dislike metalheads? Most of you let that define you, and you create a stereotype that leaks onto other people who just like similar but in no way the same music. I used to listen to Otep all the time and dress in black, and people who didn't know shit would call me a metalhead. I hated that. It used to happen *all* the time in my hometown. You boast about how your music is the only one with substance, while all the rest has inferior lyrics, meaning, and sound. You said it yourself - after hearing parts of the lyrics and a few songs of one band that isn't even like the most widespread goddamn metalcore, you make a video in which you say you feel like it's ruining the scene. And no, saying "it's just my opinion" doesn't make it less condescending. You all act like the music you like is the best music to ever come out of this world. If I had a penny every time a metalhead said another genre sucked, I'd be able to buy the eiffel tower, the entire yearly stock of turnips for Europe, and all of Nasa's satelites.
Well stated!
Jesus christ dude calm the hell down
***** You should really keep calm, it's not that big of a deal, someone you don't know doesn't like a certain music genre, it's not the end of the world hun, you'll be fine
its alright darlin, Metal is the Islam of music, pushing all they're tr00 metal beliefs onto you when you didn't even ask for it.. they're stuck in 1995. and when something like BMTH, AA, or a Skylit drive come along, they shit all over it, meanwhile, all the hot chicks love those bands!! they're musically gifted too :)
keyword is MUSICALLY
HEY NECKBEARDS!! . sorry all you're favorite tr00 metal bands sound like a rehashed Sound of Perserverence Death for the 1,000,000th time. EVOLVE ALREADY!! xD
BMTH count you're blessings album is HEAVIER than anything Cannibal Corpse has done ENTIRE career.
Jacob Crum
stop trolling....isn't BMTH like 15 years old now anyways? metalcore is stuck in 2005
currents, august burns red, silent planet, in hearts wake. there.
Metalcore is one of my favorite subgenres of metal, with nu-metal being my favorite. A7X is by far my favorite band, and I love Killswitch Engage, Bullet for My Valentine, Demon Hunter, Trivium, Bring Me the Horizon, and plenty of other metalcore bands
Before someone inevitably says how my taste in music sucks, I still like a ton of metal bands that metalheads consider to be gods of the genre, like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Dio, Pantera, just recently got into Judas Priest, and plenty of other bands. You can like metalcore and still be as big of a metalhead as anyone else
Metalcore killed off Nu-Metal back in early 2004. Metalcore did away with the whole Rap/Hip-hop influence that was around at the time with Nu-Metal. If you remember the entire Ozzfest 2004 lineup? That changed the direction of metal and brought back better guitar playing and soloing to metal that was missing for a long time. Grunge, Nu-Metal and alternative was buried by Metalcore...Love Metalcore or hate it. You can't deny that Metalcore changed the way metal was back in the day.
Well, Iron Maiden's lyrics are very intelligent, with references to fiction and mythology. Probably some of the best lyrics in metal.
Cattle decapitation lyrics are very intelligent too, with lyrics about enviromental issues and more
Andreas Henriquez Never heard of them. Are they grindcore?
"when ever I see metalcore bands they all look and sound the same to me" and then you compare them to two different genres trash and death metal which are sub-genres not bands and talk how they have evolved, you don't really make sense. Look at most black metal bands and listen to them and you will realize that they sound very similar, that's because they want to have the characteristics of said sub-genre thus sounding very similar. SOME of these things you bring up make even LESS sense than the "it's not metal" thing.
I've also been listening to all types of metal but mostly metalcore since like 2007, where bands like As I lay dying, Parkway drive, Killswitch engage, the ghost inside and unearth were the shit.
I would recommend you to go and listen to these bands and their stuff before 2010 and see how they are.
I think the dislike of metalcore is just the hipster part of peoples brain taking over.
Could you please put forth a song suggestion - three songs maybe in order of preference. I shall not utter any criticism of it.
Killswitch Engage and All That Remains and Parkway Drive are pretty good
Hey you guys know what the best metal band is................nervana
This was a joke
this was a joke, I didn't read the second comment
Its ok
Nooo...Nickelback is way better
santiago balaguer yes! I love to headbang to Photograph!
Regardless if you dislike metalcore or not, its still metal just fucking enjoy what you like hell one of my favorite metalcore bands is Killswitch Engage i love headbanging to the shit
Way to generalize a subgenre, and go with the flow of ignoramuses these days...
August burns red is a good metalcore band.
AmbitionZ Basically the ONLY good one
E P. As I Lay Dying, Unearth, Trivium, Killswitch Engage, Rise Of Doom, Parkway Drive, Shadows Fall, (old) All That Remains...
@A person trivium and old all that remains do melodic death metal . metal and metalcore so...
No, there are much better. god damn it. Non mainstream bullshit
@@berettaxd7566 better than the underground garbage you listen to
but butcher babies aren't metalcore
Right? They're an 80s psychobilly band from Germany
fuck no
why not?
Yes they are.
Fun Fact: They also suck.
CutThroatNin3 no they're not metalcore but i think they're only popular because of the two girls. and i don't care if they suck or not, i'm not a fan of them
I love that this cat talks about real shit. My fav metal discussion channel. Stay hard Wear wolf!
If it's not metal then why the fuck is it called metalcore???
Lamb of God...
Hatebreed.....
Shadows fall....
Integrity...
Converge...
Throwdown....
Walls of Jericho...
Trivium......
......🤘🏻😕
Lamb of God is Groove Metal, not Metalcore
Lamb Of God isn't Metalcore
Trivium is thrash
RZ Guitar/Metal They have some thrashy songs, but they’re mostly metalcore.
RZ Guitar/Metal Trivium? Thrash? LOOOL
i just think there's good/bad bands from each genre. some more than others, admittedly.
***** Breakdown of Sanity
trivium/killswitch engage
You mean to say
For today
I the breather
Unearth
Straight line stitch
Killswitch engage
Asking alexandria (first 2 albums)
Blessthefall
Saving grace
Are all not metal.
Good Metalcore=great low growls, mid and high false chord screams, fry screams, clean vocals, sick breakdowns, lyrics related to depression,suicide,spirituality,addiction,mental illness,heartbreak,death
Melodic instrumentation,distorted and pinch harmonic with heavy chugging.
I would even say the metal that sounds all the same to me is death metal i could not distinguish between each death metal song ive heard almost every death track i heard sounded exactly the same and sonically and instrumentally death metal is vapid and very boring its almost the same blast drum beat and down tuned riffs with the same low growls about satan this satan that yawnnn
I choose metalcore because it is much better more uplifting but still edgy music. Metalcore conveys emotion very well
Death metal is void of any emotion it is truly noise and what people who have never listened to metal think metal music is sorry not sorry,
I will admit there. Is a lot of metalcore bands that sound alike but i feel that has more to do with influence and capitalization of a style. Rather with death metal it all sounds the same because the genre just has nothing to offer for anyone that is not already heavily invested in the sound
I agree, lyrics are kind of dry when it comes to metalcore, but hey, i don't hate, I just don't like
I don't mind metalcore, but I mostly stick to black metal and death metal. *Edit* By the way, I think some people are getting too offended by this video, chill and let this dude speak his opinion.
ill tell you why metalheads dont like metalcore........CUZ IT SUCKS
Constellations by August Burns Red, Killswitch Engage's Self titled album (2000), All we love We Leave Behind by Converge... listen to that closely and then come back and say to my face if it sucks... you're welcome btw xD
Nimlouth Sindorei i took your advice and followed your directions, and i even listened with an open mind and ears. my opinion remains. my apologies
+yetisuncle yeah you listened 3 albums in 40mins? xD... whatever dude...
2 of them i actually own
+yetisuncle really? well now you got my atention haha... so tell me, why do you think they sucks so much for yoy?
People need to stop living in the past and only listening to music from the 80s and 90s and start listening to new bands so metal can start to thrive again
You mean the new bands that all sound the same?
Somebody pls show this guy some songs from As I Lay DYing, august burns red, trivium or kill switch engage...
No karate on the pit
Metalcore is very "meh", and poppy, they sing about heartbreak which is cringey
As I Lay Dying and KSE became generic as fuck after their first two albums and Trivium haven't been playing metalcore since Ascendancy. Also, with the notable exception of Shogun, I found their entire discography unbearable. Just my personal taste. Before 5FDP came out, they absolutely were the Nickelback of Heavy Metal.
@@ab-ud8np you must not listen to much metalcore then
And early All That remains.
I can tolerate a little bit of Metalcore sometimes but what I hate from a lot of metalcore bands is the whiny emo sounding vocals followed by a black metal/death metal scream. I like good clean vocals some of the metalcore bands out there sound too whiny, and the whole skinny jeans with the hair in the face, not my thing.
Architects >
I hate whiny vocals too. Stuff like Earth Crisis is great though lml
Actually metalcore has the best songwriting in all metal. It's new, it's fresh and it most new metalcore bands don't sound like every 80's and 90's bands.
Nah
I hate knowing so many amazing bands that I become an elitist. Then being surrounded by masses of people with awful taste.
Also Tim has 2 side projects apart from As I lay dying,Check out his parody band called Austrian death machine he writes all the music guitars,bass drums vocals.Also pyrithion death metal band.
I think you should have replaced the "we" for the "I".
I love Justin Bieber
Nope
Nope
Nope
RC Cola, "I" agree. There's no "nope" about it.
As a metalhead, I can say this: metalcore is awesome. And, Cradle of Filth hasn't had a good album since Midian.
No, most metalcore bands suck, they're like dubstep for scene kids with pop vocals and love songs.
Give me more of Killswitch Engage, All That Remains, and Hatebreed because those bands are peak new age heavy metal, not the emo dudes who sing like little girls.
@@HaveButOneLife
Allow me to clarify, I could not justify a whole genre as bad if I'm listening to it. I listened to Metalcore bands, therefore it was, atleast stuff that got me outta my seat.
If you're saying metalcore sucks because the vast amount of bands that come out of it sound the same, have too many boring and simple breakdowns while playing technically "easy" music: then I'd agree!
As for Cradle, the albums with Nick Barker on drums are amazing beyond words. Adrian on Midian was a great substitute. Didn't mind bitter suites to succubi but when they signed to Sony they started to sound stripped-down and uninspired.
@@BOG0690 I don't listen to Cradle of Filth.
But yes you took the words right out of my mouth. But I simply don't like the guitar sounds, the sound is so breakdown-esque all the time if that makes sense, so much so that it sounds like EDM or dubstep music, on top of the terrible pop vocals. The screaming, however, can be cool, but most metalcore bands suck.
@@HaveButOneLife
Never was a fan of the screaming. Most metalcore bands suck. Dani's screaming WAS the best.
HaveButOneLife you do realise KSE is classic and a pioneering sound in what is considered the Height of Metalcore, along with As I lay Dying and Converge.. you’re a clown,
Oh btw, Heaps of Classic Metal bands. Throw up your horns, sound like whiny little bitches sooooo 💁🏻♂️ there’s that
Great video man. yeah, what I tell people when they ask me if I like metalcore or deathcore is that I just FLAT OUT don't like hardcore or anything hardcore influenced. And that usually does it.
Killswitch Engage and Bullet For My Valentine are the only metalcore bands I like right now
He says he doesn't like repetitive music then mentions Iron Maiden who has the most repetitive guitar riffs in the universe.
A metalcore band you might like is August Burns Red. Their newer stuff especially is instrumentally incredible with amazing lyrics.
So before we go hating on metalcore, let's all take a moment to listen to All That Remains, Bullet For my Valentine, and Killswitch Engage. Now those bands are real metalcore
Butcher Babies is only really popular because the lead singers are hot as fuck
Yeah but I think they make decent music. Can't see them as headliners tho.
I agree that they sound good but lyrically they're just shit
+Jack Wrigley They're only good live really, listening to them is honestly just boring
+Lsdmachine666 I second that.
The only thing they've got going for them is their quality of tone, I really can not endure their music at all.
finally someone said it
I love metalcore and I never heard of Butcher Babies. Let's not generalize all metalcore by listening to only one . . . . unless of course you would like me to generalize all of metal on only one terrible metal band.
Substance; the quality of being important, valid, or significant.
"Don’t step out of line kid, you learn it pretty fast
Every face has its place in the crowd
They’ll give you all the answers, so you don’t ask any questions
Then they’ll march you with a smile into the ground" - Parkway Drive
"One life
One decision
Make sure it ends with you still living." - Beartooth
**Also listen to their song Sick and Disgusting, Caleb Shomo spills his heart out and the song ends with him sobbing.
"This world is spiraling down
The segregation of everything
Is the source of the blood on the walls
It's passed down by generation
This hatred could swallow us all
Can we unlearn what's been ingrained?" -Ice Nine Kills
"Just hear me out
I know you're down
When hope looks lost, there's no one to be found
But I won't give up on you.
You gotta dig deep, and bury all the thoughts.
The thoughts that tell you, you're not good enough.
The critics, the cynics, say you'll never make it.
Prove em' all wrong, they are mistaken.
Though you may walk alone, you're worth more than you know." - I Prevail
"I suppose, I suppose if we all try harder
To start relating, maybe we'd stop the hating
I propose, I propose that we all try harder
To spread some joy and laughter, in this world of disaster." -Dead Rabbitts
Some lyrics of a few metalcore bands that "don't have any substance." I could add more but I don't want this comment to go on forever.
I suppose the definition of substance is the quality of importance, validity, and significance and that could be judged by opinion. Perhaps criticizing the government or society, singing about your passion, singing about your struggles, singing to inspire and uplift the audience isn't of any value or importance.
Then what is?
I have tried argued with many metalheads about metalcore. The truth of the matter is not in the lyrics, it's the heaviness and distortion levels of the music itself. To many metalheads that choose to dis metalcore, it's because they are metal elitists that hate everything that isn't "brutal" and doesn't have a lot of distortion. For those that choose to like more than just "brutal" or choose to not go as "brutal" as humanly possible, they are not trve kvlt or true metalheads. Often times if you try to express why you think other, less metal genres have value the answer you will receive from them is often around the lines of: "Shut the fuck up bitch. That music is shit. You fucking suck, you fucking cunt." Vulgar obscenities is NOT how an argument/debate works, (to those that do this) please go retake your high school English class. This clearly shows that most are not open to understand other genres or refuse to admit they were utterly wrong over their display of venom towards lyrics they hadn't heard prior. Basically there is not logic in any of it.
If you want to know if metalcore is worth anything or has value, dig around. Get off your lazy ass and do some research. Submerge yourself in it, find out what it means to listen to metalcore. Society likes to label metal as violent and grotesque. I got off my lazy ass and I plunged into metal, I did my research. No, not all metal bands are this way. If I can do it, so can the rest of you. If you don't want to, then you have no right to complain about a genre you know nothing about.
****I also don't generalize and I know not all metalheads feel this way. Some are open and some even like metalcore; some don't because the music doesn't speak to them but choose not to hate on it and put those that enjoy it to as much shame as they can muster. To those of you Metalheads that are respectable, thank you!
Just gonna put my little opinion in here.
First off, I appreciate your opinion and everything you say makes sense and I can completely understand.
Now I'm a huge metalcore fan. That's the main "metal" I listen to. Some bands sound more "metal," some sound more "hardcore," and then there are some who are in between.
I had to go look up who Butcher Babies were. Never heard of them. I wanted to listen to a few songs before I could jot down my opinion. They're not the worst example, but they're not the best in my opinion. I appreciate what they have to offer. It's a different image to me. From what I'm seen, I haven't seen a lot of female metal vocalist like that. But I feel there could be better examples of metalcore or at least look up more bands before judging from just one. You feel me?
There are bands like All That Remains, August Burns Red, As I Lay Dying, Bullet For My Valentine, Killswitch Engage, and Miss May I who more or less play metalcore who I feel would be better.
Metalcore is a genre of metal that can include folks who can play their instruments well and are great at overproducing their product BUT absolutely SUCK at writing music!!
Although i'm late to this video but I totally disagree with you on most points. In my 25years of my life I've listened to many metal bands. I don't consider myself "metalhead" because I listen to almost every genre. Now to the point, I've met many people who listens to metal and none said they hate metalcore. We all listen to anything from cradle of filth, slayer, children of bodom, carcass, iron maiden, dream theater, anthrax, exodus, behemoth, venom and so on to underoath, bring me the horizon, killswitch engage, northlane, as I lay dying, Abr, architects, novelist fr etc. We never had a problem. I personally can't listen to thrash or heavy metal all the time so I switch it up to metalcore or prog metal or even to soft pop punk, indie and country music. You talk about lyrics, metalcore has much as good songwriting as any other metal. Not every song is about crying over a breakup. Many metalcore has good lyrics of real life issues and about the real world. Many people say lack of solos in metalcore if I want to listen to some solos I'll go listen to inspiring instrumental bands like intervals, animals as leaders, chon, mogwai, polyphia etc. Stop judging music and the reason I got triggered is not because I like metalcore it is because how people generalize a genre/sub genre without giving it a listen. Even there's good pop hip hop music as well that doesn't mean you'll judge the entire genre by listening to some. If its not for you leave it but respect the artists and musician. Metal is not the only genre I listen to i love hip hop, pop(kpop and jpop included), jazz, rock and everything. So don't use "we" in your title because there are many people in the world who are actually open about every music and listen to every kind of music without shitting on them. But I remember the last time I was going through some tough time it was bands like we came as romans, linkin park, dream theater and nothing nowhere got me out of it. Music is powerful and it doesnt matter genre/sub genre it is.
So many of these comments are overlooking the beginning of metalcore, which was a movement comprised of uncompromisingly heavy, bizarre bands mashing hardcore and metal pretty seamlessly. Metalcore is an incredibly broad genre tag, that unfortunately lumps bands like Converge, Harm's Way, Code Orange, etc. with bands like Unearth, Chimaira, Trivium, etc. Those two groups have such fundamentally different sounds, depending on WHERE their punk and metal blend comes from. If I grew up listening to Gorilla Biscuits and Bolt Thrower, my band is going to sound drastically different than if my influences are Pantera and Fugazi, with bits of Nu Metal thrown in. To lump all of that expansive genre-building together and call 100% of it bland based on your experience one band's live performance is incredibly small-minded.
You can literally hear it; you can tell Darkest Hour's metal influence comes from At The Gates, where Architects gets theirs from SikTh.
You cant say metalcore is generic if you haven't listened to the dillinger escape plan. They are very technical and the lyrics are very meaningful and they also expeirement a lot. Converge is also a good example and Killswitch engage is the most average metalcore band yet they sum up the genre the best. Butcher babies is horrible and so are metalcore bands like attila. Its not technical and lyrics are nothing but edgy bullshit with no substance. Those bands do not represent this genre as a whole. The emo shit and post hardcore shit is terrible but if you were going to look through these shit bands, you will find that you are wrong. There are a ton of good metalcore bands that are good, its just you havent looked hard enough. That is pretty ignorant of an opinion coming from a metalhead who is usually more understanding than the average person. Your expeirience with butcher babies should not sum up your opinion of metalcore. There are a ton of bands in any sub genre of metal that give it a bad name.
some metalcore bands that are also good are protest the hero and as i lay dying's early shit, all that remains early shit, and parkway drive
who the fuck told u that Dillinger Escape Plan is just metalcore?those guys are mathcore!you cant defend the metalcore genre by naming a band that does a subgenre of that genre,thats like defending black metal using Cradle Of Filth as an example!
but Id recommend As I Lay Dying too,even though they are labeled as "melodic metalcore" which is kinda a subgenre of metalcore,it is close enough to actual metalcore music...but still you have to admit,the genre has more weak bands than actual good ones (especially compared to other genres of metal)
MHZHellGuitar tdep is considered mathcore which is a sub genre of metalcore and avant garde metal but still its in the genre. and cradle of filth is still considered black metal but they are a bit different lyrically and musically and i do agree that metalcore has more weaker bands than stronger but the stronger bands are extremely good but thats only for a few bands within the genre
+Wilt Kitty It seems like every metal subgenre only has a few "extremely good" bands and the rest weak... I always hear people talking about the same 4 or 5 bands for every subgenre, lol
OdaKa its sad but true but it all come down to opinions
Correction to your title: Why don't YOU like metal core?
Cradle of Filth sucks live. But let's get to the point: Why don't "we" like metalcore? The fans. The music is VERY metal. Heaven Shall Burn fucking crushes. That's just one example of many but that serves my point. When you say there is no substance I have to laugh as you point out Cradle of Filth as a great live show. CoF has some of the most fucking laughable lyrics I've ever heard. I am personally a fan of Grindcore, some of it has a lot of substance but there is a lot of shit for lyrics that aren't even worthy of an ICP song.
And let me say this once and for all. Black metal dumbs metal down. 98% of it has shit production and is basically trash can guitars, inaudible guitars with some dude going "SCREEEEEEEEEEEEE" into a microphone that sound like it came from a Teddy Ruxpin someone found at a thrift store back in 1992.
Inaudible drums*
+Dobert Rowney Jr. was hoping to see HSB mentioned. I fucking love them
Nah metalcore is pretty gay for the most part
+MueTiny I'll take your word for it, you look like you'd be the expert on gay stuff.
Dude, don't hate on black metal. Look at Gorgoroth, Agollach, Burzum, and Wolves in the Throne Room. Not to forget, Velvet Cocoon. They're black metal and awesome. I'm just saying that do not put one metal sub-genre in the spotlight by shoving the others off stage without fully knowing about them.
There are a few notable metalcore bands out there, like Killswitch Engage, (old) All that Remains, As I Lay Dying (when they where still a thing), and Parkway Drive. I think Metalcore gets a negative connotation because of bands like Asking Alexandria, Of Mice and Men, Sleeping with Sirens etc. Bands that, like you said, lack substance. Metalcore has become repetitive and boring. Modern metalcore is like "Oh let's scream here, sing here, breakdown here..." It's just become a thing to appeal to a large crowd and get money. If you want to give metalcore a chance, listen to these albums by these bands.
All that Remains-The Fall of Ideals
Parkway Drive-Horizons
Killswitch Engage-Alive or Just Breathing
As I Lay Dying-Shadows are Security
These metalcore bands get people to listen to heavier shit eventually.
I used to listen to Five Finger Death Punch and Avenged Sevenfold, which got me listening to Killswitch Engage and Eventually bands like Behemoth, Immortal, Nile etc...
if there's anything that lacks substance, Its metal.
Ooooh. You're clever.
sleeping with sirense Is post hardcore
lets not forget, old ill nino, old emmure old for today, poison the well, the chariot, bleeding through, old underoath,
plus metalcore gave birth to deathcore bands like all shall perish, new emmure, suicide silence, thy art is murder, Whitechapel, carnifex, chelsea grin etc
metalcore has a huge influence on post hardcore which is the emo side of things I hate when people bash metalcore when its post hardcore that's generic and mushy
They all fucking suck ass and sound the same. If you knew anything about music theory or composing you would see why they all suck.
Early Avenged Sevenfold, Miss May I, All That Remains, Killswitch Engage are cool Metalcore bands.
Yes very true! Especially A7X, doesn't really fit the normal metalcore mold
If you like those bands check out Phinehas's new album Till the End.
Early A7X is pretty much my favorite metalcore band rn since I don't listen to a whole lot. I'll have to check them out
how about ERRA, Northlane, Architects, August Burns Red, Parkway Drive ?
I still like A7X, but they changed their Metalcore sound. As I Lay Dying is another sweet Metalcore band.
Metalcore is flat. There is nothing interesting about it. Once one gets over the idea of "break downs" It comes across as a kind of metal made for people who are just getting into metal or think that's what all metal is. It's a cheese burger happy meal. I'd put Slip Knot and Lamb of God in the same camp. Actually Meshuggah too. Real bore fests. But to keep in mind, these bands are also gate way bands.
Couldn't have said it better, metalcore is the bland factory made mass marketed fast food of the genre
look at metalcore Bands like the amity affliction, blessthefall or at metalcore-inspired Bands like periphery...
those Bands do have their own character, do have deep and substacial lyrics and really good composition. Metalcore has some things to it that other Metal genres can't give you.
if you like it or not, you guyz should stop hating it. i for example really don't like the sound and feel of death Metal. but I do See that many people like it and that it's a respected sub genre of metal. why the fuck cant you do the same with us metalcorefans. you don't need to Like the music. but just appreciate it as a different and even more evolved type of metal.
from Solos to complex polyrythmic djenty Riffs... there is a change. but that's just a different approach. Not Bad. and it definitivly counts as metal
Amity Affliction really?
I guess you wanted to say "Architects"...
Coming from someone who used to be the core kid, if you don’t like death metal, bands like Death and Amon Amarth might change your mind. I always prefer their sound over more standard stuff like Cannibal Corpse