WHAT KILLED METALCORE?
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- What killed metalcore? It quickly grew from its roots in the 90s DIY hardcore scene to the "golden years" of the 2000s to the "scene years" in the 2010s where bands like Asking Alexandria were regularly appearing in the top 10 before the bubble burst halfway through the decade... what happened??
A few of the things I touch on:
- The roots of metalcore in the 90s hardcore scene and bands like Earth Crisis, Converge, Hatebreed, Unbroken, Botch, Deadguy, and Abnegation
- The next wave of bands like Killswitch Engage, August Burns Red, As I Lay Dying, Bleeding Through, Norma Jean, and Eighteen Visions
- How MTV, The Osbournes, Viva La Bam, and Guitar Hero fueled the growth of metalcore
- The scene years: Of Mice & Men, Asking Alexandria, Bring Me The Horizon, and The Devil Wears Prada (which ultimately lead to the collapse of metalcore)
- How bands like Vein, Sanction, Knocked Loose, End, and Jesus Piece are bringing back the sound and vibe of 90s metalcore
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I swore I was never in a metal core band until I realized I was in a metal core band .. in 2005.
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it's Weird How right you are about what happened to Metalcore because I go to Metalcore shows all the time and they're all DIY Hardcore shows with Metal bands basically they even play with Trap Artist. love the channel love all your videos if I ever have questions About my favorite type of music Ill just watch one of your videos
The Punk Rock MBA I’m curious, do you like Alesana?
Is that book extreme ownerships?
The Punk Rock MBA Have you done a video on Ska punk?
i can tell you what happened finn, all the metalcore scene kids became soundcloud rappers
lmao Yeah, based in my own experience.
Like skrillex or post Malone plus a bunch of other former scene goers. Rap is pretty much the new punk these days. The DIY spirit is strong, all you need is a computer and a microphone. A little bit of talent helps too. Much easier than getting a band together and there’s a real shot at making some real cash too.
@@Hugelybased oh yeah, its definitely not a bad thing.
Can't blame though music is like fashion every year gonna change, evolution and have something new. In the next couple years it can back to old genre sometimes or maybe another something new again. Just take a look music in 70's 80'' 90' 2000s.. have different vibes. We can't denied it this era now all more about rap or kinda electro music
@@alexanderdavid4271 definitely not putting blame on anything. i grew up on rap and old school r&b before i got into metal and punk and hardcore. so i've always listened to rap and hip hop as well and have seen all the changes within that genre too. i, myself, always wanted to make beats but just stuck with playing in bands. so i get it.
The Guitar Hero / Rock Band era was a special time.
Rock Feed oh yes, this was where I truly discovered the types of riffs I still love to this day from six by all that remains
@@cooperplaysguitar he's not totally wrong about The Fall of Troy either, putting FCPREMIX on that game was probably the smartest thing they ever did
Tom Mullen, who worked at EVR, tells the story about how he got that Fall of Troy song on the game at the last minute.
Well this is such a sad statement backed up by 331 people that also have no idea what real music is
David Vied what?
First Memphis May Fire EP (2007) is southern metalcore and it’s legit. Well written/catchy songs, heavy breakdowns, and tons of nasty southern riffs that groove super hard. I was a big pop-punk fan throughout the 2000’s, but this was probably the most influential EP for me in opening the door to metalcore (which remains one of my favorite genres to this day)
That first EP is still one of my favorites. Really wish they kept that sound. But alas, Rise go to them. I'll always have a soft spot for southern metal.
hell yeah...this EP was so fuckin good! idk why I stopped listening to them after that but it seems like they turned into more of a warped tour metalcore band? but I still gotta say Maylene and the Sons of Disaster are at the top of that southern metalcore sound imo.
@@_dmart yeah Dallas Taylor left Underoath to lay by the wayside & created the best Southern Metalcore band 😉. IMHO Phinehas was the next until they hit the "Label Defeat." KBL00D Out
Oof Memphis, that southern sound is just fire.
I too was at first a Pop Punk listener, but once I found Asking Alexandria on my UA-cam homepage in 2015 ago, this opened the world to metalcore.
Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit held my hand and introduced me to Metalcore and Hardcore.
RIP Chester
Same here. Came from Korn etc. over Soulfly etc. Then ignite etc. To ShaiHulud etc... So I still really appreciate what brought me to the dance
Weren't they nu metal though?
@@davidnissim589 yes, but like was said in the video, nu metal brought the heavyness, pop-punk and hardcore brought the lyrical content
yep, and Southtown by POD
I personally think Skrillex and the EDM scene killed metalcore. So many of the crew and scene kids I grew up with ended up in that scene. Now the new wave of underground hiphop has taken the reigns.
@Rambo Moore Just because they are mainstream doesn't mean they're posers.
@Rambo Moore Huh? If you think metalcore/hardcore is underground, you haven't been in the scene for long. It was THE thing about a decade ago, and the echos of it still paint mainstream culture to this day. And what's wrong with mainstream btw? Music is music, man; just enjoy it.
I could vouch for this. I was huge on emo scremo/ metalcore back in my high school days 2006-2009. I remember one of the last metal bands I listen to was Miss May I. Then around 2009 I got in to EDM started off listening to happy hardcore and hardstyle. The fast BPM reminded me of metal. Then 2011 it was all uphill from there I got into progressive house and started raving.
I would say a huge difference from the metalcore scene and EDM scene. Is the EDM scene theres actual girls at these events that you dance with and make out with. Odds are at an EDM event you’re getting some ass or at least a number. That shit can’t be said for a metalcore concert nothing but a sausage fest.
the posers ended up in the edm scene and killed that too
Fabian Ramirez so you listen to popular music to hook up with chicks. nice.
Architects, while she sleeps, Parkway Drive, Northlane and the entire Djent offspring that came from metalcore with bands like novelists, tesseract are all killing it in the uk, Europe and Australia
Definetly, yes! And the As I lay Dying reunion tour was almost completely sold-oud over here!
That is definitely another evolution of the genre.
There's a great bunch of Aussie bands doing great things downunder.
Yeah, those bands have unique sound, you cannot compare them to any other band. Thats why they stick to the genre.
I really wished he wouldve talk about that genre
As I Lay Dying, Parkway Drive, and August Burns Red are my top 3 favorite straight-ahead metalcore bands. I do have to say though that early Asking Alexandria, BMTH, Blessthefall, etc are quite high up there as well.
indeed mate some bands were playing really good metalcore as you said the top 3 but the others were more like post hardcore xD
As I Lay Dying is a reaaaly good metalcore band. Its my favourite band now
Metalcore is far far from dead. Huge bands still cranking it out.
Devil Wears Prada surprising dropped and absolutely great album in 2022 (Color Decay)
The scene era of metalcore (thank God) is dead.
as a metalhead, I take objection to your claim that if you fell down in the pit at a metal show they would more likely stomp on your head rather than help you up. Having come up in the Florida death metal scene and going to countless shows, that is simply not true. Also, dudes in a metal pit will just push each other around, not do karate chops and kicks in the air and try to hurt people.
Same for me, it sounded like he switched hardcore & metal up on that point. I've always found the pits very quick to disperse if someone had trouble. Strange how perceptions vary if you have no experience of the other.
metal circle pits are great. i cannot stand hardcore pits.
Agreed. A third of the pit basically stops to help someone up. Also just look at the last clip. The flailing, yikes... I'd take a moshpit over that any day of the week.
Bablo Biggins right!!! I have met so many great friends from being picked up off the ground after being dropped on my head while crowd surfing. Not everyone is a dick because they listen to angry dick music sometimes lol
Same,
I never got into the whole metalcore thing when it was 'big' around my way cus' the crowd at the shows was just a bunch of ninja wannabe tools trying to smack people in the face.
It drove away alot of the people that did get into it at the start as well. They just got fed up with leaving shows with broken glasses and black eyes.
Shame really, there was some decent bands knocking about.
There's a new good wave of metalcore: Polaris, Currents, Our Hollow, Our Home, Crystal Lake, Loathe. (without forgetting the unforgettable Architects, Parkway Drive, While She Sleeps, Wage War, Northlane, Bury Tomorrow...)
So yeah thank you Australia and thank you UK haha.
Alpha wolf, void of vision, sworn in, diamond construct, the list just goes on and on
InVisions, Time, The Valuator, Kill the Kong, If I Were You, etc. There really are so many awesome newer groups that throw the fuck down
Also, I actually used the cover of Hartsick as a template for my most recent tattoo. Love Our Hollow, Our Home
@@flux6829 If you like Alpha wolf, you should def check the band Dealer and Sleep waker!
@@HyunAKimGi already have man both are sick
The southern influenced metalcore is NASCORE
Haha, interesting name
underrated comment.
I love Maylene and He Is Legend. I still listen to those bands all the time.
praise dale raise hell lmao
HICKCORE
"MTV I PLEAD YOU, PLEASE COME BACK TO YOUR ROOTS. PLAY MUSIC"
"Security, get this lunatic out of here."
They're too busy with reality shows and Leftist political moral preening to play music anymore.
This was like a documentry of my childhood and teens years. The nostalgia man , great video
Thanks man!
I felt the exact same way man. Such a weird feeling. Like you love seeing it but it’s a pretty stark reminder that we’re old now. Wait till some of these bands start getting airplay on Classic Rock stations!
Same here. Found this while going down memory lane on youtube
People getting metalcore confused with screamo is what killed metalcore.
Agreed ;) Also Metalcore bands switching to Screamo style lol
The good cop/bad cop, sing verse, scream chorus thing drew heavily from mall-Screamo bands like Saosin and Thrice. Just with heavier guitars and crushing breakdowns. So it’s kind of understandable.
@@VCCassidy you mean scream verse, sing chorus?
@@ghostzyden because those kids had "screamo" in their veins and not real metalcore, I call those shts emithocore and screamitho, real emo and screamo are far from that fakemo socialmedia scene, there are just few real bands in those genres, fakemos are a plage
It did cross over
Finn! I just downloaded Spotify for the first time so that I can listen to your playlists. Thank you thank you for these quick but thoughtful history lessons on the genres of music that I’ve fallen in love with! I’m delighted that I only recognized two songs from this one; so much “new” stuff to go listen to!!
Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet For My Valentine, and Atreyu are what made me fall in love with Metalcore
Haha i think it was it dies todays first ep that made it for me, atreyu album the crimson maybe, that was a good album.
These bands became the mainstream gateway for a lot of people. Bullet For My Valentine and A7X managed to ride that middle ground pleasing both traditional and new fans while Atreyu sold out completely after The Crimson.
@@eastonclark8468 It Dies Today hell yeah. I heard they are actually getting back together.
Justin Miller honestly I didn’t listen to them after Ex’s and Ohs
@@emobuddha Yep same here. Ex's and Oh's was actually pretty good, but everything after was hot garbage.
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Beartooth is a mixed bag. It’s pretty much metalcore AC/DC: lyrics about the same few topics, catchy riffs, simple drum parts. But holy shit, can they make some good music
@@awesomeas2 my fav Beartooth album is disgusting, first metal album I heard, ever. So I really love it and I don't find anything better than it or like it except attack attack this means war ofc.
What I really like about disgusting are it's super energetic rifs and fooking clean choruses
GamermanRPGKing here’s the thing tho Calab Writes everything in Beartooth he write the songs and instrument, I don’t expect every riff to be amazing as long as it makes me want to move
"I love metalcore." I've never heard anything more relatable
I love metalcore, im so sad that it isnt the “in” thing anymore :(
Never really was, but I know what your talking about
I'm a geezer and every time "my" music is popular it freaks the hell out of me lol. But you're right when its "in" we get more.
The fastest growing genre is metal so we might see metal becoming a lil more popular in a few years.
Still is, bands like as I lay dying, trivium, killswitch, architects are all wildly popular
@@loganpriest6029 I love Killswitch Engage but they've sold 4 million copies total of their 7 albums, Billy Eilish sold 2.5 million copies of one album last year. Wildly popular is pushing it
I’m a bit of a hardcore/metalcore aficionado myself, having been very heavily involved in the hardcore scene during the “golden age” as described in the vid (which is super ironic because I was just talking to my current band about the “golden age” & stumbled on this channel while looking for good videos to support my point.)
First off I want to say: hell yeah to @The Punk Rock MBA for having such AWESOME & accurate videos describing the heyday of hardcore & heavy music in general, everything I love & lived my life around at the time (and still do) I talk about this time period all the time, & I love yuor videos covering it especially since MySpace lost everything from then & they were the main platform for posting songs & finding shows at the time. Years of memories, all the BEST years, simply deleted. So now I have no “portfolio” to show my new band what I’m talking about, so these are seriously great. Bravo 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Now to try not to go too deep into the topic (especially because I’m posting from not my own profile lol) all I want to say is, I’d love to see a video about where metalcore & progressive metal has led to today; as in modern djent (after the burial, born of Osiris, within the ruins[kinda]) & also what I’ve heard referred to as “neo classical metal” like Vitalism(AWESOME) & other instrumentalists like Modern Day Babylon, Divinex, Berried Alive, etc.
AND (separating this because it’s sooo important)
The rise of 7 string & 8 string guitar music & 5 string bass, like every single band I just mentioned uses & also bands like Vildhjarta & of course, the originals(kinda), Meshuggah.
As a person who did nothing but music, was going to go to college for it (business & recording) & already taken a few classes in both those, music theory, & stage production/set up already; but then was convinced to “get a real job” instead (WORST decision I ever made) so was out of it for awhile (during the time you reference metalcore “dying”) then now coming back to every band that’s still heavy now being much heavier & using extended scales, just like you said it kind of died when bands went light, the ones that survived & are still doing great to this day all went much heavier. (Like when suicide silence went from a sorta-popular grind band to being a SUPER heavy downtuned metal-ass band) I would seriously love to see a video highlighting all that I just mentioned. Where it is & where it’s set to go because like you said it’s like a reset has been hit, & we’re back to an exciting time. I feel like I’m living it all over again lol but yeah love your content, please make that vid though!!!
All metalcore did was move to Britain and Australia
This is actually a really good way to put it
Sean Hunt sad because modern american hardcore killed it
There are so many great bands in todays metalcore that absolutely kill it.
Sean Hunt word the scene is big here in Aus every second person you see is rocking a parkway or amity top ❤️
Because Australia is two decades behind the rest of the world lol. And before anyone gets butthurt, I'm from Australia.
This is such a fun video for me. DTB was started in 2009 and our roots and popularity started with interviewing a lot of metalcore bands, particularly ones that broke up just as fast as they gained their audience. Bands like Texas In July, Attack Attack, The Color Morale, etc.
Video suggestion: I think it'd be cool for you to go in-depth on a few of the many scenes mentioned in this video. Particularly the newest wave of bands would br an interesting video for me personally
Digital Tour Bus cool to see you here
@@brock-182 I love Finn's content. Really great videos! You'll see me in the comments on a few of them. Plus, we both recommend each other's channels in our "featured channel" sections. :)
talkin to some shit bands , why not talk to as i lay dying, they just got back together,
I would like to see more content touching on the different scenes too. Good shout.
"Southerncore" was a thing because Southern Rock has a groove. Same reason the best sludge comes from the south
Yeah southerncore is the shit, love etid.
Lol most sludge comes from the South doesn't it? And at that, mostly New Orleans. Great scene there.
The UK, Europe and Australia are having a shift in metalcore with bands like Northlane, Polaris, Void of Vision among others. Architects are bigger than ever in the scene over here. Asia has brought their fair share of bands as well as America with this newer sound combining clean and rough vocals with electronic tones and sort of a hypebeast style. I've been to a lot of shows in London where these bands play and they are pretty cheap and always sell out and kids are always wearing their merch. I think metalcore might resurface to almost mainstream but something different needs to happen because a lot of these bands do sound similar but they're all extremely talented and you can tell they grew up on like august burns red, parkway drive, asking Alexandria etc. I also think the trap death mumble rap is having a massive effect on bringing new kids into the genre.
Amity Affliction, Parkway Drive , and Thy Art is Murder are Australian.. they expanded those genres and are just talented. They don’t fit the scene because they’re clearly just producing good music but I agree w your point
from what i’ve seen metalcore is still massive in australia.
"Metalcore was the perfect next step for a kid who liked [...] nu-metal but wanted something a little bit less corny." Yep, that's me
Lincoln Park and Korn are definitely not corny (despite Korn's name). Limp Bizkit is corny
How are Deftones and Korn "corny"? Bands like AA, BMTH etc. are corny as fuck lol
@@ProductBasement "Lincoln Park" lol
I think Nu Metal did a really great job at exposing people who would have never listened to Metal beforehand. Korn, Deftones, Mudvayne, etc. did an excellent job at blending rap-style lyricism with the heaviness of the standard metal sound.
@@ProductBasement Linkin Park was never Nu Metal even in their heaviest of records. Maybe hard rock, but definitely not Metal. Meteora and Hybrid Theory were excellent albums, but they're not nu metal records.
That’s crazy man . The scene kid picture you posted there was me .... 🤓
I love metal core although I haven’t listened to it in years
Who said anything about 'former' crabcore fans? As far as I'm concerned, it's still 2009!
That was one if not the most interesting video on this platform. Thank you!
I love Metalcore, the concerts, the atmosphere, just everything is perfect. And there are new bands which sound amazing Crystal lake or LANDMVRKS for example.
Keep it up! 🤘🏻
Thank you!
There are so many videos out there saying metalcore is terrible, not hard enough, doesn't deserve to have "metal" in its name and whatever
It's really cool to see the opposite of that for once
The last thing the world needs is another negative butthole telling you to stop liking something, right??
Philine Reck yeah but they same people like 80’s hair metal!!
Yea but most of the people that make those kinds of videos are greasy metal heads who constantly bring up bands like Asking Alexandria despite them not being relevant or “metalcore” in years
@@gamerxyouthubecamp9624 what's wrong with hair metal?
@@gamerxyouthubecamp9624 Ummm, 80's hair metal is more hated than both metalcore and nu metal.
We were all "posers" at one time.
I'm so glad this was said haha
Exactly
In '95 I was rocking a two tone check fade button down shirt, a pair of bootcut chinos with chocolate brown Duffs on my feet. I thought I was Ad Rock or something, I thought I was the shit. Turned out I was just shit (lols)
How can you stand out as your unique self if you don't try a few stances you learned, right?
Some of us have been into metal and metalcore for a long time and followed the scene.............. some of us aren't posers.
I think your breakdown is pretty spot on. I got into metal through bands like Fear Factory, Pantera, Slayer, and Slipknot. I wasn't finding bands like them that I liked later on so I checked out bands like Bleeding Through, It Dies Today, Hatebreed, Terror, Throwdown, and of course Killswitch. I still listen to all of these bands today, I love the genre. The Asking Alexandria, Bring Me The Horizon stuff I just couldn't get into. Too many bands sound exactly like them. The only newish band (Yes I know they've been around a while now) I like in the genre is Bury Tomorrow.
i used to love metalcore so much and there’s very few metalcore bands i still enjoy. miss may i is probably still the one metalcore band i haven’t got tired of. i grown out of most of those “open chug breakdowns” but i appreciate it being part of my childhood
I came in on the “Big 4” era. But to me it was As I Lay Dying, Killswitch Engage, All That Remains, and Shadows Fall. It took a dip for me when ATR released Overcome and Tim Lambesis got convicted.
That was definitely a bummer
Dude I was gonna comment the same exact thing wtf lol. When Tim went to jail I was like well I guess I have August burns red for now, (then ended up falling back to consuming a ton of Amon amarth) then “My own grave” released recently.
Can't forget about the MetalCore Gods - Unearth
Thank you!! That was my first foray!!
The new wave of American heavy metal
Every Time I Die was and still is a group of amazing musicians who can still shred.
@N0ir i am N0ir honestly, I can still listen to Hot Damn like it was released yesterday.
I was surprised to not hear him mention them once, they are for sure a staple
Last night in town!!
@@WideTurn00 He mentioned them in the subgenres part, under "Southerncore." And ETID rules, they're one of my top-five favorite bands all-time.
hell yeah. Honestly, they are a perfect example of how a band can age and mature and still be top fucking quality. Low Teens has become one of my favorite ETID albums. Their entire catalog is fantastic.
Dude this is channel became even better when you said ADTR is in your top 5 bands and this is my first subscribe on UA-cam love your work keep it up.
Thank you!
Your videos are awesome and super informative and mostly on point. Love them. Subscribed. Keep it up.
Thank you!
August burns red and as i lay dying will always hold a special place in my heart.
Yes straight up.
I like to pray to the sound of blast beats too 😂
I agree with August burns red , I feel so happy I got to see them live when I did too
Both great bands
Agreed.
Crystal Lake, Architects, Currents, Bad Omens say hello
Architects' Holy Hell was also one of the most critically acclaimed albums of 2018, and deservedly so.
Yes, Crystal Lake is such an outstanding example nowdays
Came here to say Architects
@@stanguitars their latest single blows my mind ... lost in forever
none of those bands are nowhere near to be iconic, most of them sound very very, very alike
I appreciate the playlists!! I liked them and will be checking them out!! I know I'm a bit late to this party, but hey, this is some great content. Will done Finn.
What’s up, Fin! I’m a 90s RI scene hardcore old schooler. I love what you do and when I watch some of these videos it brings me back through time. I moved to Vermont during the 2008 era and met some new friends and joined that scene. Along the way I’v seen many changes happen and a lot of good bands come and go. Hell, Kilgore made it out of RI but the road was tough for them. I live in FL now but there is no scene where I live because I bought a house in retirementville. I have to drive an hour and a half to Tampa but hey, I can’t really complain about that scene. I’m still new to it and getting to know the bands but people should always be looking and listening for something new and be welcoming of it. A lot of the people I grew up with don’t want to move out of the big four of 90s thrash and think all the new music sucks and that’s a terrible attitude to have if you want to see your scene stay relevant. I’m glad you do this channel and help open up the minds and ears of people in the scene and really try to curate a positive vibe. Thanks for that and keep up the good work. -Joe
I'm only 20, so I'm definitely in the 2010s era of metalcore. But my love of metalcore hasn't died off like some of my friends have. I went to Atreyu's In Our Wake Tour in December, more to see Ice Nine Kills and Memphis May Fire but you get what I'm saying. I live for going to shows. It's the only way to properly connect with the music in my opinion. I definitely noticed popularity drop off since I got into metalcore back in 2013. But yea there very much was a boyband aesthetic there. I printed out pictures of bands and taped them to my locker freshman year and was all "Austin Carlisle or die". Big cringe. But I've grown and accepted the genre at it's roots. And I've definitely branched out my music taste as well.
Deborah Redfield went and saw a show during that tour as well. Atreyu is the shit 🤘🤘
I wish they came to Pittsburgh...INK has some of the best pits
I'm 28, so more of "Headbangers' Ball" era, but I seriously love INK so much. MMF not so much.
@@aleciakoenig I'm not that much into MMF anymore myself, but they do put on a really good show.
@@greenveilwho True, still fun and definitely energetic. I just can't get over the meh factor of Matty Mullins 😅
Metalcore peaked with Second and Sebring. Beautifully written song. And Would You Still Be There IS a banger for sure
OM&M is a great band. I occasionally listen to what they did after Austin left but I will forever love Austin's screaming. (Though I'm glad he left because he was in pain whenever he would sing)
You were doing so good until you mentioned would you still be there
If you listen to there new songs you can still get some metalcore. Yes they did some main stream songs but with the new songs I've heard on the up coming album they have definitely gotten back to the harder core sound.
@@MichaelPsyche old om&m is really really good. the lyrics are beautifully written, and shayleys voice was so unique. now? Idk what the fuck they're doing, they lowkey just sound like every other metalcore band and its boring.
Of Mice & Men is one of my favorite bands at the moment. I really want to see them live
Hey thanks for the video and thanks for mentoning acme :D! I'm from Germany and your video made me go directly to my cd shelf and putting acme in :)...dindt listening to them for a while :)
Dude. I love every one of these videos. LOVE THE HISTORY. This stuff is so good. Many parts made me laugh. I loved your description of how the scene felt in the 90s vs. now. I went through that too and am nostalgic about the old days. At first I didn't agree with you about the start of metalcore... I may be a little younger. I got into the scene around '94, and most of the bands I loved weren't truly hardcore, but they all played in the hardscore scene. Back then, in SoCal, I don't remember anyone saying "metalcore." It was just called "metal," or maybe "metal with breakdowns." But they played in the hardcore scene, they seemed to have the same philosophical outlook as the hardcore scene, and also hung out with the crowd and didn't hide away in their backstage rooms or make weird demands on the venue like you described. Maybe that was a regional difference, or maybe I just didn't encounter as many metalcore bands as you. But I grew up in that scene, coming from a metal background myself but going to all these punk / hardcore shows, and I gravitated toward those hardcore-mentality bands that had more of a metal sound. And so my band became the same. Very metal, with breakdowns, but songs about social issues that mattered to us. Not the weird metal themes you described haha. But when metalcore began to go more mainstream, I did begin to see the scene change. One of the main things about the old hardcore days (for me), was that bands used to talk about issues they were concerned about from stage. They'd take a few moments to share something passionate about the song they were about to play, about a social issue that concerned them. The crowd could respond, they'd play the song, the crowd would get involved. But toward the end of that time, as metalcore was becoming more a of a mainstream thing, the crowd changed. They didn't care as much. Often, when bands started sharing something, people would just go outside for a smoke break or go to the merch tables. And I started noticing everyone dying their hair black and painting their nails black, and wearing all black.And suddenly it was all sideways, and then kinda died. And that's when I quite my band to do other things. And the band went on, and some of the members because quite successful in the emerging mainstream scene. But I agree, it was completely different. And I'm encouraged that you think the earlier 90's days are coming back. I've been trying to get back into the scene here in Charlotte. I've had a hard time finding info on the local scene, where shows are, etc., but I've recently made some contacts so I'm hopeful. Keep these videos coming! This stuff is so awesome!
I love that there are still people that love metalcore. My tastes have changed since I left school, but metalcore still has a huge place in my heart and it's nice to see people such as yourself share that enthusiasm
Yep same. I still love KsE especially, probably my fav band which will bring out a new album this year. I don't think Metalcore has died, August Burns red, KsE, As I lay dying and many others are still making the sound. However people seem to dislike metalcore more these days. I love all kinds of metal, from thrash, heavy, death, core :)
@@alexsuperpower1 hell yeah my dude, couldn't agree more!
I grew up in "the scene" 2006-2010. I think your 100% correct about why people left. I never was about the drama. I always stuck with bands like atreyu, miss may I, As I Lay Dying etc,. And I think most of the scene revolved around drama, and being sad all the time. The audience outgrew the bands and that's mainly why I moved on.
I just wanted to thank you for this video. I actually was able to use this video for my paper in my history of rock class.
Around 2014 is when I moved to Deathcore! The last 5 years have been huge for Deathcore, especially their studio quality and technicality. But I think it'll die out soon and undergo rebirth like Metalcore. Great video! Thanks
Its pretty simple, the generation enjoyed those scene bands as teens and then grew up. The subject matter that the majority of those bands talked about was very teenie bopper and isn’t relatable when you get older. I feel like that “scene” is still around, it’s just in form of those sad boy hip hop artists.
Sad boy hip hop will outlast metalcore I think because it doesn't have that scene aspect and it's way more commercially acceptable.
Pretty spot on Dylan - you grow up and don't go to as many shows, don't keep up with bands like you used to, when a whole generation does this and the next gen isn't there to backfill it, becomes a ghost town
I can see that for some, but I honestly couldn't tell you what 5% of the metalcore songs I loved were about in the least. Even ones where I actually learned the lyrics(usually through repetition rather than seeking them out) I didn't actually think about them, and just liked to sing along. This is probably very much my 'metal background' making itself known here, plus I'm a guitarist, so I didn't take lyrics to heart like a lot of the more hardcore fans did. It was never a culture thing to me, just raw musical expression that really appealed to me.
No, not true. Then explain legacy acts like Metallica and Slayer. Nostalgia plays a big factor sure, but the idea that people "grow up" and do not relate anymore and leave a specific scene in music is not true and does not apply to all. If MCR came back next year they would sell out every arena in the world.
Raphael Guzman I don’t know man I disagree. Metalcore lyrics had a strong focus on the teenage angst phase that is quite common in peeps lives. At some point it just becomes non relatable. Bands like Metallica and others have a wider appeal in lyrical subjects matter and also sound heavy while not as abrasive. It’s perhaps cliched but people do generally move away from extremely abrasive music as they mature. I know I prefer prog type songs much more now than I did in the past. I appreciate complexity more than I did
I'm from Algéria (Africa), 27 yo, and i started Metalcore with As I Lay Dying, Trivium, Avenged Sevenfold, All that Remains and Killswitch Engage, so just before the Scene Era started. But therefore, i really loved Asking Alexandria's first album and that's what got me into the Scene Era which I followed through it's entire lifetime with all that bunch of bands coming out everyday at those times. But after seeing each band starting to make some boring radio rock one after another, i kind of kept stuck in 2010 in my head and only listened to all what's been done before that, except for some bands. That's why if you ask me what does represent Metalcore today, i would say this: Parkway Drive, August Burns Red, and most of all: BREAKDOWN OF SANITY. Those never disappoint. And meanwhile, it's been sometime that i came back to traditional Metal genres that got me into this universe at first: Melodic or Technical Death, Power Metal, Symphonic Black, and some others...
I'm from Kenya as well, your favorite artists are mine to, As I Lay Dying is my favorite band, the Era of chuggy bands even though favorites guys like Wage War are not my type, I remember ABR making a joke in an interview of the soo called metalcore bands nowadays, I'm 25 and I still listen to old records
I know these Guys personaly. so sad they break up. :( (BoS)
@@bloodlokksYep :/ ... but i keep hoping that they'll come back, it would be such a shame if so much talent got to be wasted...
Avenged sevenfold isn't metalcore. They are nu-metal.
@@AK01445 They're more into a kind of heavy metal today, but back in the days with their 2 first albums it was mostly metalcore. Their 2nd album, Waking The Fallen is still my favorite one from them by far.
i remember loving viva la bam and the music, but i was very into german metal and punk (a lot more access, since i live in germany) i had a very strong connection to japanese rock and metal and came into the whole metalcore thing at the end of the transition phase. but what really hooked me up to it was 2012 rock im park, seeing asking alexandria live for the first time and i literally knew one song. and they blew me away on stage. and that was magical. i recently rediscovered them and i still do love them a lot.
loved your breakdown of how metalcore changed through the years! also you reminded me of some bands i have to add back into my playlists...
Holy shit Knocked Loose and Code Orange really taking me back to the golden years of metalcore (pre-scene) god damn
I would say Trivium and Bullet For My Valentine made me like the Metalcore-sound. I guess it was around 2006-2007. And i still love it to this day. And it's not dead. But what happened is the same that happened to all the 80's hair metal bands, they were too many playing exactly the same things, and people couldn't even tell the difference between the bands anymore because they sounded to similar to each other. There were all these new bands coming out all the time, releasing one album, and then faded away, like it did to hair metal in the end of the 80's/beginning of 90's.
The bands that still live on are bands like Parkway Drive, August Burns Red, Architects to name a few.
Nirvana killed hair metal it's not the same. Nirvana shaped the 90's, record companies fired bands because they didn't sound like Nirvana. It wasn't because there were too many hair metal bands.
JohnnyExtremer Yes and no. People were ready for something new because of the huge amount of bands copying eachother, and people were tired of it, so when Grunge came along people fled from the hair metal scene. But to say Nirvana all alone was the reason is wrong.
@@Alexander.90 Any award show was Nirvana vs. Everyone else. Of course there were other grunge bands but Nirvana was the grunge band literally everyone knew about. Your grandma knew who Nirvana was in the 90's, they brought people from other genres like rap and country to listen to rock music, there was no other band at the time that did that. They gutted the hair metal band scene. If you were a teenager or parent in the 90's you knew who Nirvana was.
Bring me the horizon is still kicking hard too
I don't even consider them metalcore. For the most part they were a newer version of 80s thrash metal.
_Djent-io killed the metalcorestar_
_Djent-io killed the metalcorestar_
In my mind and in my car-
We can't rewind we've gone too far-
(Oh .. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh)
Dustin Platt djent, eazycore,electro core killed the metalcore
Metalcore will always be my favorite genre in any scene. Thanks to bands like A Day To Remember, Of Mice & Men, Earlier Escape The Fate, Earlier Falling In Reverse, and my all time number 1 band, Motionless In White. Metalcore will always be the best
MIW so good theyre my fav metalcore group by far
lol are you for real?
@@chrisryan2107 I am. Everyone has their own personal taste
Escape the fate is more post hardcore right? I never saw them as metalcore
@@HoldenSXE Post Hardcore and Metalcore started blurring lines. Like MIWs creatures sounds like some shit from Poison the Well but alot of the Post Hardcore scene loved that shit, so it's really hard to tell right around 2008-2013, Metalcores sound started change as well*boybands with breakdowns*, I mean Of Mice and Men sounds absolutely nothing like Turmoil or Converge but it didn't matter because it was still lumped into that category. So Metalcore kinda became a broad term, kinda like Emo people will say MCR is emo but yet they sound nothing like Heroin or Sunnyday Realistate.
I'm actually impressed how mainstream metalcore was in the 2000's.
Because the -core (hardcore) is never mainstream & the -metal part is quite too heavy for mainstream.
Metalcore... Metalcore never dies, it's just takes a break
* vault door opens *
Australia's band Polaris is making a huge comeback for metalcore. Definitely check them out... they're blowing the fuck up.
Michael Rud 🙏🏻
Cane hill
Down...a breakdown.
Great video man, you were on point with everything! Got into the genre with Asking Alexandria type bands in me teenage years and I defiantly saw the rise and fall of that era. The new radio rock sound that all those bands eventually starting making really put me off and made me explore other genres. It was awesome that you mentioned The Fall of Troy because it was that band that really changed the music i'm into now. I love Prog Rock now (my favorite genre) but I still like those metal core albums that I jammed so much in high school. Although I do believe a handful of those metal core bands have aged well and still put out great material.
How can you not mention bmth when your avatar is the most recent (as of this post) BMTH album, one of the least metalcore albums they have produced. Don't get me wrong I love what they did from sempiternal up until now (except wonderful life)
That's the Spirit avatar xDDDDDD
Finn thanks for bringing interesting contents about my favorites genres of music. Can you please tell me what or from who are the songs in the background on the video??. The soundtrack is awesome!!..
Thank you Trivium for introducing me to them. I’ll say Parkway Drive and Trivium are my favs.
This is my new favorite channel, really channeling the nostalgia for me! I love the idea of doing vids on scene's by region.
That show with Converge, Dillinger, Shai, and one of my favorite bands of all time NORAAAA. That must have been an amazing show. Shout out to Luti-Kriss and Training for Utopia!!
I really appreciate this video, it’s nice to hear someone who appreciates the mark this music made on the industry. Everyone’s got their phase/genre of music and it’s nice to hear it talked about and appreciated. Nice vid man, the nostalgia is real
I grew up listening to this genre! Interesting fact at the time TDWP was really big I was involved in the west coast bboying scene ( breakdancing ) and I would practice with a bunch of kids that would only do powermoves to metalcore it was super fun! Great video btw.
After this vid, I listened through some of the older metalcore (as someone who comes from more of a mall emo background, the 08-14 era was what got me into the genre). Rly enjoy August Burns Red (probably one of my top 3 in the genre), but couldn't get into the 90s stuff (too rough for my taste). One metalcore band I wish got more attention is Ice Nine Kills, they're absolutely killing it with their past two albums.
Absolutely love that band.
They're one of the most streamed modern Metalcore bands along with FFAK, ABR, I Prevail, etc.
I always connect "Ice Nine Kills" with "Palisades", because they have a very similar style (which is not a bad thing actually)
They are both in my Top 20 best Metalcore bands of all time.
i really loved of mice and men, but since restoring force and austin left, it’s not the same, kinda makes me sad. now silent planet is my fave, i freaking love them
They are working on a new heavier album tho. I do miss austin alot but i like aaron too.
Restoring Force is one of my Favorite albums if all Time.
Restoring Force is by far their best album. They also got better again after Austin left.
Silent planet, erra, monuments, Like Moths to Flames, Invent Animate. Just a short list of great bands out there today
check out dayshell, the old OM&M clean singer went on to make that band.
Crabcore kid right here! Was introduced into the genre with Attack Attack and Abandon All Ships. The rest was history.
Abandon All Ships seemed like they were gonna be big!
Two of my favorite bands, sucks Abandon All Ships didnt do more
When you mentioned The Ghost Inside I remembered the first time I heard "White Light", seriously changed me. That and ADTR's Common Courtesy getting me through my first breakup.
I think the things that happened to Austin played into Of Mice And Men changing their sound, especially seeing where he’s at now. Which is totally a good thing. Love your vids
Didn't he have brain tumors or something like that??
Travis Delee he has the same disease that his mom had, Marfan Syndrome. She died from a brain aneurysm but he found out he has the same disease and had to quit the band. But the best part is that he let Jesus back into his life and is telling his story and testifying to the greatness of God. That’s the greatest front man job in the world
Oceans Ate Alaska is the shit
yesssssssss, i love their latest album!
True Dat!!!
Braydon Titley Half right, they're shit.
Lost Isles one of the all time best debut albums
They're more of a Deathcore sound though.
Totally agree about Metalcore having the potential to rise again. I live in Ocala, and I remember Wage War (at the time Empires) circa 2013 playing local shows at churches and stuff already pulling good crowds and thought to myself "Damn these guys are going to blow up". They did, and even though their 2nd album has that more mass audience appeal, still manages to stay metal. They just played a show a couple weeks back at a dingy bar that has nostalgia within the scene and oversold the show haha. What's really cool is that the vibe there was awesome, my band was lucky enough to be on the bill, and there was love from the crowd and the 2 major acts towards us the openers that never seems to happen at shows anymore.
I’ve seen so many things saying “metal ore is shit” and only mention Asking Alexandria, Black Veil Brides, and Of Mice And Men (which pisses me off tremendously) so I was ready to get defensive after the first minute of this video but I’m glad I watched all the way through because the metalcore scene right now is so good and there is so much good music coming out and I’m pleased you pointed that out.
Asking Alexandrias stand up and scream and the 2nd album were cool of mice and mens debut was the shit too
Jacob Hines so was we stitch these wounds
Any recommendations for new metalcore stuff? The only bands people recommend are pretty dated like Killswitch, Hatebreed, and Unearth. Great bands but they are so prolific that they still lead the scene, to a degree.
9:42 when you said "At the Gates" with breakdowns I immedeately thought of As Blood Runs Black
Your channel should be more big. You have so interesting content and knowledge on your videos. I love it. I born in 1998 and my brother was so into punk scene 90's so i basically lived almost all the scene, but itsn't until 2010 I discover metalcore and I fell in love with bands like bring me the horizon. I honestly miss so much that kind of music but i know its hard to get back into society right know, so I believe and I don't judge if my favorite bands changes his sounds because i know is part to grow up.
Great comment!!
I've watched a lot of small channels blow up on youtube, and he is doing everything right. I'll be surprised if the subscriber base doesn't at least double in the next year. We can help by sharing his videos around.
Thanks for the support!
You should do a whole video on Sumerian-core
Jesus fuck, Sumerian really was a different breed
"The Discovery" by BOO is still one of the most seemless conceptual albums of our time.
The Discovery imo was peak Sumerian, pretty much the reason I ever got into Decrepit Birth, Origin, Death, etc..
@paleblack66 You mean Djent? Periphery too, they were pretty much the main band for Sumerian besides AA, but they got big enough to go labeless.
Not discounting BOO, I actually saw and met them last year on the tour Killswitch Engage. They were pretty humble dudes, got to have a drink with them at the bar next the venue.
I love this channel. It reminds of so much great music then I get “The Millionaires” lmao. Keep up the great work and thanks for breaking down the eras...
Always ALWAYS finds a way to bring up Earth Crisis hahaha love it.
Such a good video. I think you hit the nail on the head with the bands that hit the ceiling and pivoted (a personal example of this is my dad listened to a song off the new Beartooth album and loved it, so I played him early Beartooth and he left the room). When you look at other industries (tech and microbreweries come to mind) the objective for corporate businesses isn't to necessarily keep them doing "what made them good" but instead buy the potential of a good business/band when they're still small but have a following and then get it to the widest audience possible. This is why Instagram doesn't track where you parked your vehicle, why Beartooth sounds like Foo Fighters and why Sierra Nevada has a tropical flavored beer. 10/10 video man.
Love that ADTR is in your top 5
I remember around 2014 or so I started to drift away from metalcore for just the reasons that you said. It felt like the scene was collapsing under its own weight and that a lot of bands had hit their ceiling with that they could do with the style. I also feel like a lot of newer bands at that time like Ghost and Deafheaven served as a bit of a counterpoint to that scene as it was something completely different and exciting that was coming out. Over the last couple of years, however, I've gotten back into the genre a bit more and feel like bands like Code Orange are at the forefront of the metal scene. It's been cool to see metalcore go back to its roots while still evolving and I'm excited to see what comes out of the scene next!
I'm glad you talked about Guitar Hero. I first heard Dez Moines by TDWP in 2008 on Guitar Hero world tour when I was 8 years old. That was the first time I ever heard a heavy song, and it changed my life forever.
ehm....As I lay Dying, Unearth, Killswitch etc. still goin' strong to this day
Horváth Bence
That’s a completely different type of “Metalcore” than what he’s speaking about in this video though.
Although they are both placed in the same genre for some reason, they are very very different in terms of sound.
Killswitch, As I lay dying, etc, are like the “real” metalcore bands.
while bands like asking Alexandria, BMTH, etc are like the “edgy scene kid at warped tour” metalcore bands.
Bands like killswitch and AILD have a pretty big melodic death metal type influence to their sound almost, while these newer metalcore bands have almost none. they are much more generic, full of breakdowns and high pitch pop-like clean vocals.
Of mice and men are still metalcore
"Alive" or "dead" status of genre depends on how much new bands were created and become popular in past 3-4 years.
Horváth Bence unearth don’t get enough live
@@BricksOnDaBeat real metalcore is the 90s shit and the current revival, as i lay dying is fake metal fake hardcore, to busy plotting to kill spouses not very punk to kill women dude
i got into metal core in the mid 2000’s with bands like under oath and the devil wears prada. great memories, super fun shows
Man, that comment about punk pits vs. metal pits is so fucking spot on. Great vid. Thanks for all you do to keep us entertained
Nice video dude, I started listening to punk bands like nofx, bad religion, minor threat etc. then transition into bands like black dahlia murder, the faceless, parkway drive. I don’t listen to metal core as much any more but still one of my favorite genres.
I'm from Indonesia but I grew up with the early 2000 metalcore band such as Killswitch engage, lamb of god, chimaira, god forbid, as i lay dying, unearth, shadows fall, etc.. Those bands made me like heavy music more.. Sad to know that few of them was disbanded..
Truth
It's ok man, such is the way things go. Just keep on rockin
Good for you buddy but LOG has never been called metalcore or even sounds it. So...
Jeez dude does it really matter that he called LOG metalcore? It's cool to educate people on bands/sub genres but theres no need to come off like a dick.
I agree with you for the most part but LoG isn’t metalcore. They’re thrash and groove metal for the most part.
What a great video. I’m a pretty big fan of Parkway Drive, but I learned a lot about other metalcore bands because of you. Thx man!
I really enjoyed this episode. I know very little about 2000's metal(core) and am learning a lot from you.
Oh goddamn, was that an Addison clip blended in there? Bless you man
New favorite channel!! I was in highschool from 03 to 07. "My myspace years" the absolute high point for the music scene in my opinion. The Dallas scene was bangin in the old deep elum venues. So much fun. Great video.
Jeff ward you know of dryline? We used to play shows with them they were a cool band kinda as I lay dying style
Dude. You put Eucharist in your playlist. You are now one of my favorite people. Seriously though, best video yet Finn. Keep it up!
Bloodlet are so fucking underappreciated these days, its sad!
@@ThePunkRockMBA truth man! Dudes have had more influence than anyone realizes. They have ALWAYS crushed it.
Its kind of crazy ..it seems everytime I watch one of your videos i get so nostalgic..lol..I mean growing up and being invested in metal as a whole. Alot of the bands you mention I have actually owned CDs of or have bootleg tapes of. Lol. Remember bootleg tapes and cds..makes me feel old. Thanks..lol
Eyyy! That HeadBangers Ball picture was the interview with Devin Townnsend at the time with Strapping Young Lad.
Which you should do a video of btw
Keep up the good work man, I have been enjoying your channel recently!!!
Metalcore was the replacement for a lot of the pop punk, emo and skate punk that was popular from the late 80s to the mid 2000s. Metalcore was then replaced by indie pop rock (example: imagine dragons, bastille,foster the people, X ambassadors, twenty one pilots) , and then that was replaced by emo rap (lil uzi vert, post malone, lil peep, juice wrld, Trippie redd, lil tracy, lil xan) , which is currently being replaced by trap metal (ghostemane, kamiyada, zillakami, cameronazi, scarlxrd, pouya, fat nick, tekken+).
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 good analysis!
Ghostemane is more like Black Trap Metal
@@Sv4NNe he used to be in local doom metal and hardcore punk bands. His sound is a combination of black metal with industrial metal, soundcloud rap, trap, hardcore punk, doom metal and emo.
Trap metal... , wtf mate i clicked the bands you mentioned and wish i didnt hear that shit
I unironiclly like the sound of trap metal, i like that use of the more abrasive side of those trap beats thrown in with some ugly instrumental sounds idk its like industrial downset or experimental body count or something
Waddup man. Greetings from Borneo, East Malaysia & Im an old guy like you. We saw how it happened. Love ur work man. Church.
Cool to hear you give Stampin' Ground a shout out. My old band had Scott come over and record our shitty demo in our guitarists garage/office space when he was starting to take on production jobs. Dunno if he followed through with it as a career, but he was a super cool dude putting up with these 18 year old knuckleheads.
Nothing wrong with Dio, man. He was one of the best.
I mean, he did invent the devil horns after all
Kono Dio da!
Dio started it all alright
Thats what im sayin
@@justgeekian1703 Dio was a forefather of Metal.
Where has this channel been my whole life. You are seriously the best dude.
Thanks man!
Thanks Finn this vid made me feel very hopeful because you’re right the atmosphere at concerts is exactly what you described