Don, I’ve always appreciated your honesty especially your feelings towards the slap chop and other quick painting methods that sacrifice artistic quality as well as your sense of humor and humility towards learning new techniques and methods. Happy New Years, my friend!
Hi Frank! I have put off doing this video as fans of big channels might get offended. But this is my year end video, and I am moving on from the "racist" comments. Cheers Frank! Happy New Year! 😊🎨🎨🎨
I may be new to the youtube miniature painting scene but that slapchop joke at the beginning was really good, especially for someone whos first language isnt English. :)
I'm a painter first and gamer second involving miniatures. Although I've spent more time painting than gaming. I've played more video games than tabletop. You do a lot of amazing painting on this channel! 👍
Don, never worry about crazy comments. You are an amazing painter and I love that you do things your way as that makes it possible for me to view your videos and learn something new.
Happy New Year, Don. I've massively enjoyed your videos this last year, and I'm relieved to see a finished product that you weren't happy with - it makes me feel more normal! Looking forward to seeing your artist videos in 2023.
Awesome! This inspires me to try "true light" or what it's called with my Redemptionist. A lot of fire there, would be cool to make it like a realistic light source.
Don, thank you so much for all the hard work and very entertaining/informative videos. You helped me a lot out this year, with gunpla and getting into mini painting. Haters gonna hate you when you stray from the norm. At the end of the day, you are still giving out positive vibes and very helpful info for people like me. Love all the vids from you and the fam. Keep it up and HAPPY NEW YEAR. Def looking to what 2023 will bring to the channel!
Thank you Sin! Glad that the videos sort of helped you with your painting. That is my main goal. Also people like you, who are very appreciative makes content creation here worth it. Honestly I am in the brink of just focusing on Patreon content creation, but again, people like you pulls me back here at UA-cam. Happy New Year! 😊🎨🎨🎨💙
Hi Don, happy New Year! I hope 2023 will bring positive things, especially for your wife! I appreciate your intellectual honesty about painting! I’m not a wargamer either (and do not think I’ll ever be). I’ve started painting minis as additions to my dioramas and your videos and techniques are very inspirational. I’m a long way to paint minis decently, but with time I’m sure I’ll do better for the use I intend to use the minis for. Again happy 2023 and keep up the great work!
Hi bro! Happy New Year too! Thank you for the concern of the wife. I actually forget about the situation whenever I paint, thus I paint more the past month than ever before. 😅 Cheers bro! 😊🎨🎨🎨
@@DonSuratos, it must be tough, I’m sure having a loved one being sick. Painting helps you keep mentally sane, and it’s a good thing so you have the energy to help your wife. Be strong, bro!
Great video Don, as per. I see 'slapchop' like I see the Twilight books (bear with me)... The technique is nothing new. I had a guy in my LGS back in 2003 when I started the hobby as a wee lad. I'd been taught GW's usual base coat, layer, highlight method so the idea of underpainting was completely alien to me. I met a guy there, who put all of his contrast down in greyscale first with a quick sketch to boost his final values, then used inks over the top. Underpainting is great because it grows with the painter, it can be a very skilled and deliberate way of building volume and texture with a brush or it can be a quick directional drybrush that catches all the raised edges so you can whack some contrast paint over the top and have it be identifiable from tabletop distance. Of course underpainting didn't start with that bloke back in my local Games Workshop anymore than it did with this current UA-cam trend, it's an aged technique with it's roots more firmly sunk beneath the feet of the old masters. I see more slapchop pieces I dislike than I like. More often than not, the minis are covered in a very telltale chalky texture that makes everything look like it's made of stone and the palettes err towards over saturated. It can be used intelligently though. Like all things, it has its place according to what you want to achieve. It's not a perfect technique and is nothing new; us mini painters are usually 10 years behind the scale model guys and then the fine artists are light-years ahead of everyone else. There's always an ebb and flow with trends in the hobby and art in general. Anyway, Twilight. I find the discourse with slapchop similar to back then with the Twilight books. My point is that even though I might not like them and think they are a bit poo in terms of how they are written, they got countless people into reading and I'll never disparage anyone for picking up a book just like I'll never disparage anyone for picking up a brush. We can all disagree on what approaches render a better paint job, artistic merit and if that's even a thing etc. However ultimately, I'm with you in that I think the novelty can somewhat cheapen what are tried and tested artistic approaches but so long as someone is actually picking up a brush/book, I think that's cause to celebrate. It's going to be a wonderful gateway for many people. The less grey plastic and naked pewter in the world, the better!
amazing video! in the wargaming topic, you should try an agnostic miniature skirmish game, like frostgrave or stargrave. The easyest and cheaper way to play wargames with fewer minis you already have... maybe it even gets you into terrain painting!
Oh thanks! I love terrain painting so much, since I love dioramas. But terrain building and painting is a tad bit time consuming for a small-ish content creator like me. Will check Frostgrave and Stargrave! Frostgrave sounds more enticing to me though... as I like Fantasy way more than Sci-Fi. 😊🎨🎨🎨
Have you watched any of Marco Frisoni's videos? Well before the 'slap chop' craze, he was doing a lot of underpainting and grisaille videos, covering the same techniques from a lens of efficiency of technique rather than raw speed for army painting.
19” L x 9” W x 11” H. how much would it cost to get u too make city ruins for these dimensions an too have u piece in squares that are 4"an a half by 4"an a half I would need 8 squares it would be for my gunpla 1/144 models to be set up in an it would be going inside an 10 gallon aquarium I have set up I've tried to build city ruins but failed
I know you weren't happy with the painting, and I am really sorry for what you experienced in the social media space. I absolutely appreciate you and your efforts. The painting from my perspective was an absolute clinic on OSL. Looks amazing to me.
Way to go, young brother! I like your attitude, and I like the name of golden lemon. Regarding being accused of being a racist: I just tell someone like that to go into their cry closet.🤣😂 -Rick, USMC
Ignore the internet buffoons. What's amusing is that that method of painting is technically called Grisaille; not slap chop. It was used from as early as the 1300's. Call your method what you will.....it's all just underpainting with a glaze on top, in the end. Great Video!
I agree with you, I dont understand one neurone people that demand the world to BE like they believe is the right way and hate and attack everything that dont follow the line of their "reality"
Hahaha... its like if you do not follow trends or names established by "influencers" you are an outcast. Which I love! Kinda turned me off from that Facebook group and the Warhammer community though. 😅🎨🎨🎨
yeah I am making my own paint style based off my Pixel art style which is just 3 step Primary colors the main colors of the model, Secodary colors the colors over them and are less on the models and Accents the little details. As I'm just sharding to do physical art and I want my models to be true color not each a scene... as I want to use 1x light/shadows as I'm a phograther and like my models to exsit IRL so I can play with them IRL and not in their own little worlds tey only exsit on that base/army/collection. So yeah I doubt anyone will try it but people like my digital art so I think it will look good... If I can up my brush control which sucks.
I think that anyone who learns "slap chop" as a beginner can find it to be easy and less intimidating. As they try to get better and learn more techniques, your glazing style will fit in very well with what they already understand. I would suggest your channel as a good "next" step.
I sort of agree that slopchop is a good way to start painting minis. But I would recommend the proper way of just clean base coats then washes, then eventually proper highlights, the old school basic way to learn first, before anyone tries slopchop. 😊
As a Wargamer I'm a bit of an odd one. I like to have my armies looking cool and try learn more techniques and improve my painting. But at the same time I try to cut corners and paint learn to be as "fast" and efficient as posible. I tend take my time with center pieces and cool heroes though. I'm a fan of high quality speed painting if it even makes sense lol Edit: I must say that with painting I've moved from hating it, to enjoying it when I'm in the mood. And I'm close to painting display quality model. Still not there, I feel I still need to make a final break through to get there, but I will!
You are indeed caught in the middle. High quality "rush" painting is more accurate. As long as you enjoy painting, and their is a will or conscious effort to improve, you will get there. 😊🎨🎨🎨
"First of all I am a painter ..." I agree. I find the whole "fast painting" trend terrible. I mean: painting is more than just "finishing" something. The result reflects IMHO the effort that was put into it. Even if it's not perfect, you can see the effort you put in or the frustration of having a bad day. After all, the time spent painting is the MUSE you deserve. And that, after all, is art. IMHO e.g. "Speed Painting" is just another trend of this time, not wanting to take any more time for anything and always having to look for a "silver bullet".
I've painted by hand for upwards of about 14 years now, it's what I'm used to, and while I would like to improve with my airbrush? I prefer to hunker down, brush in hand to really focus on details as best I can. It takes as long as it takes, and the more effort you put in the better, no two ways about it. I see where some people are declaring "Speed painting is a gateway to getting people painting," and the like, but for me? The best way to do it is to sit down and put time into it. It's the only way to "git gud" at anything. Plus, "contrast"/"speed" paints are overpriced anyway most of the time--capitalizing on a trend, any? Give me my brushes, my Vallejo/P3/Citadel paints, and turn me loose and I'm a happy painter.
P3! I used to have those paints! They are awesome for brush painting. Totally agree... I prefer brush painting. Putting more time, more effort on a mini. 😊🎨🎨🎨
@@DonSuratos they’re super intense and runny for sure. I use them too but sparingly. I use Game Ink or Scale, usually Scale because they’re as intense as Liquitex but easier to control. The Liquitex are great through the airbrush though.
@@jasoncarpenter5974 Scale... no access for scale here bro. But Game Inks are fine. Always needs thinning though. Loving these inks... might add some "matte medium" to thicken. 😊
Slapchop definition is a gresaile with black, then grey and finally white drybrush followed with 1 or 2 layers of thinned transparent paints. It is meant to be fast and for people that are not good at painting or doesn't like it. Also meant for people that doesn't like airbrush. Hope the condensed description helps. Its fine for what it is but it is not meant for everybody. The expression has also gotten muddy because every famous UA-camr is trying to invent their own version of it or a 2.0 🤣
Ahhhh... no wonder I find it confusing. I do not watch channels that has "slapchop" though. No offense, but will not learn anything that would elevate my painting ( just me ). So I just see thumbnails... and everything seems like slopchop these days. I watch channels, big or small with great painting though. Not naming channels, as I might miss a few. 😅🎨🎨🎨
It was meant to be a speed painting system to get a newly purchased model tabletop ready asap (ie a new edition or faq makes the model obsolete) while still having a decent quality, and as Duncan Rhodes also explained, you can always come back and finish the details of the model after your games on the tabletop
You should not really bother. After all ''slap chop'' is nothing new, it has been here for centuries and it was always known in painting as grisaille or velatura. Thats how most of the renaissance painters and Dutch masters worked. Build up your tones and contrast in a monochromatic style and then come in with transparent glazes, shifting the hues and in the very end add opaque color where its needed. Just some youtuber pretended that he discovered something by switching the fancy sounding italian/french terminology to a term suitable for Generation Z kids. I have to say that I find this whole speedpainting trend abit annoying. It has its place dont get me wrong, but it should be meant for board games with 50+ pieces or completely rank and file armies. I see people buying expensive display models or ridiculously expensive hero/characters by GW, only to just slap some paint on therm. I mean whats the point then? From GW's perspective speed paint is fantastic because its their way to make you overcome your guilt for spending thousands of euros for plastic kits that gather dust at your shelves. You just slap on some paint ignoring 80% of the detail that made the models desirable in the first place, and buy some more. Have a Happy New Year and lets hope for peace!
Wow so long... but I totally agree. Not really annoyed with the "speed slop painting"... but its a good sign who to watch and NOT to watch, if you want to learn good painting. Happy New Year too! 😊🎨🎨🎨
@@DonSuratos That's for your haters, not for you. But if you want a laugh, go watch one of his videos and you'll get my meaning. I agree with what you said, and people are silly.
@@dougpridgen9682 I think they are not haters... just the usual Facebook stuff, where everybody has an opinion. Strong opinion at times. But sure! Will check, try to check those comments at that video. Haha 😅
What?!? Snob? Racist? What the actual heck?!? Dude please don't change, you're so far from being any of that! You're a great artist and a great youtuber too. :)
It was crazy man... funny but also disappointing. i mean, I had no idea the miniature painting hobby can be as crazy. At least at Facebook. UA-cam has been generally great though. 😅
@@DonSuratos i have been painting/building for minis for a couple years now. I have seen so many trendy trends come and go. I pointed out to some in a painting group that some of these guys here would paint their models with different shades of poop if the right “influencer” painter did it and made a video. The “influencer” that runs that group laughed at my comment as 99% of them flamed me.
@@lanesteele240 Hahahaha! Not laughing at the flaming... but huge influencers are powerful bro. Honestly, I am okay of not growing this channel and be called an "influencer" or "youtuber"... I rather be known as a plain old "painter". 😉🎨🎨🎨
love your painting style. and a happy new year! but man, I knew people have been watering down the meaning of racist to near worthlessness over the last couple of years, but calling someone racist because they refuse to adopt the name of a painting style has to be a new low.
I think I understand what you're saying and the reasoning behind it, but it comes off as elitist and dismissive even when you explain it in this video. You laugh after you say you'd never watch a video by people who use slap chop and seem to not really understand what it is, even though it's essentially what you already do. It has nothing to do with the paint brand you're using, it's simply a variation of the Grisaille technique with a more modern name.
@@DonSuratos Probably better to ignore it completely than disparage the people who do it in an attempt to make painting more accessible to the masses. Happy New Year in any case, keep up the good work.
It does come across as dismissive and perhaps snobbish to say you haven't even watched any SC content. It would have taken maybe 45 minutes to absorb a few YT videos and then at least add better and informed commentary.
@@donttellhimpike2043 I am pretty sure it did. But I paint everyday... I paint full time, so I rarely watch painting videos. I watch basketball, UFC, dinosaurs and even Warhammer Lore during painting. Rarely painting videos.
I really liked the finished product!
Don, I’ve always appreciated your honesty especially your feelings towards the slap chop and other quick painting methods that sacrifice artistic quality as well as your sense of humor and humility towards learning new techniques and methods. Happy New Years, my friend!
Hi Frank! I have put off doing this video as fans of big channels might get offended. But this is my year end video, and I am moving on from the "racist" comments. Cheers Frank! Happy New Year! 😊🎨🎨🎨
I may be new to the youtube miniature painting scene but that slapchop joke at the beginning was really good, especially for someone whos first language isnt English. :)
Good stuff Don, happy new year
Happy New Year! Thanks for watching! 😊🎨🎨🎨
I'm a painter first and gamer second involving miniatures. Although I've spent more time painting than gaming. I've played more video games than tabletop.
You do a lot of amazing painting on this channel! 👍
Thank you so much for the support man! I am definitely a painter first. But I do not play video games. ☺️
Don, never worry about crazy comments. You are an amazing painter and I love that you do things your way as that makes it possible for me to view your videos and learn something new.
No worries bro... people like you, make me keep doing what I do. Cheers! Thank you! Glad yo find my videos helpful! 😊🎨🎨🎨
I will be trying out airbrushing for the first time . Do you think liqatex is good start? Thank you for your time.
Oh goodluck and have fun. 😊
Is white Ink better to use as a zenithal highlight than white airbrush primer?
Not better bro, just Easier to airbrush. No need of thinning, but make sure you lower your air pressure. They are too watery. 😊
I didnt realize this would be an apology video. Was looking for instruction. Thanks anyhow.
Oh it is? Oh no. I need to make another then. Thanks for watching. ☺️🎨🎨🎨
Dat Mini looks crazy good
Happy New Year, Don. I've massively enjoyed your videos this last year, and I'm relieved to see a finished product that you weren't happy with - it makes me feel more normal! Looking forward to seeing your artist videos in 2023.
Hahahaha Ashley! Lets just say... I started with this painting bad... and I did not want to spend hours to save my bad painting. Thanks! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Awesome! This inspires me to try "true light" or what it's called with my Redemptionist. A lot of fire there, would be cool to make it like a realistic light source.
Awesome! Enjoy man! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Do you thin the liquitex with anything when you run it through your airbrush?
Oh no! It was too thin out of the bottle already. 😊
Don, thank you so much for all the hard work and very entertaining/informative videos. You helped me a lot out this year, with gunpla and getting into mini painting. Haters gonna hate you when you stray from the norm. At the end of the day, you are still giving out positive vibes and very helpful info for people like me. Love all the vids from you and the fam. Keep it up and HAPPY NEW YEAR. Def looking to what 2023 will bring to the channel!
Thank you Sin! Glad that the videos sort of helped you with your painting. That is my main goal. Also people like you, who are very appreciative makes content creation here worth it. Honestly I am in the brink of just focusing on Patreon content creation, but again, people like you pulls me back here at UA-cam. Happy New Year! 😊🎨🎨🎨💙
Hi Don, happy New Year! I hope 2023 will bring positive things, especially for your wife!
I appreciate your intellectual honesty about painting! I’m not a wargamer either (and do not think I’ll ever be). I’ve started painting minis as additions to my dioramas and your videos and techniques are very inspirational. I’m a long way to paint minis decently, but with time I’m sure I’ll do better for the use I intend to use the minis for.
Again happy 2023 and keep up the great work!
Hi bro! Happy New Year too! Thank you for the concern of the wife. I actually forget about the situation whenever I paint, thus I paint more the past month than ever before. 😅 Cheers bro! 😊🎨🎨🎨
@@DonSuratos, it must be tough, I’m sure having a loved one being sick. Painting helps you keep mentally sane, and it’s a good thing so you have the energy to help your wife. Be strong, bro!
@@natalebabbo-gunplaanddioramas Yes bro... painting is such an escape. Thanks man! 💙🎨🎨🎨
When using inks through the airbrush. Do you need to matt varnish before applying paint with a brush?
Not needed. 😊
Great video Don, as per. I see 'slapchop' like I see the Twilight books (bear with me)...
The technique is nothing new. I had a guy in my LGS back in 2003 when I started the hobby as a wee lad. I'd been taught GW's usual base coat, layer, highlight method so the idea of underpainting was completely alien to me. I met a guy there, who put all of his contrast down in greyscale first with a quick sketch to boost his final values, then used inks over the top. Underpainting is great because it grows with the painter, it can be a very skilled and deliberate way of building volume and texture with a brush or it can be a quick directional drybrush that catches all the raised edges so you can whack some contrast paint over the top and have it be identifiable from tabletop distance. Of course underpainting didn't start with that bloke back in my local Games Workshop anymore than it did with this current UA-cam trend, it's an aged technique with it's roots more firmly sunk beneath the feet of the old masters.
I see more slapchop pieces I dislike than I like. More often than not, the minis are covered in a very telltale chalky texture that makes everything look like it's made of stone and the palettes err towards over saturated. It can be used intelligently though. Like all things, it has its place according to what you want to achieve. It's not a perfect technique and is nothing new; us mini painters are usually 10 years behind the scale model guys and then the fine artists are light-years ahead of everyone else. There's always an ebb and flow with trends in the hobby and art in general.
Anyway, Twilight. I find the discourse with slapchop similar to back then with the Twilight books. My point is that even though I might not like them and think they are a bit poo in terms of how they are written, they got countless people into reading and I'll never disparage anyone for picking up a book just like I'll never disparage anyone for picking up a brush.
We can all disagree on what approaches render a better paint job, artistic merit and if that's even a thing etc. However ultimately, I'm with you in that I think the novelty can somewhat cheapen what are tried and tested artistic approaches but so long as someone is actually picking up a brush/book, I think that's cause to celebrate. It's going to be a wonderful gateway for many people.
The less grey plastic and naked pewter in the world, the better!
Are there still naked pewter!? Those were a delight to clean with a toothpaste and toothbrush. I agree! And I enjoyed the read as well. 😊🎨🎨🎨
Funny listening to you talk about Slapchop here now that you're sponsored by The Army Painter ;)
Yes! This was hard! I mean, Speedpaints are so much easier than inks. 😊
Haters gonna hate. You keep doing you. Happy New Year to you and yours!
Hi Izzy, no worries, those crazy comments came at Facebook... That is Facebook being Facebook. 😅🤣😂
amazing video! in the wargaming topic, you should try an agnostic miniature skirmish game, like frostgrave or stargrave. The easyest and cheaper way to play wargames with fewer minis you already have... maybe it even gets you into terrain painting!
Oh thanks! I love terrain painting so much, since I love dioramas. But terrain building and painting is a tad bit time consuming for a small-ish content creator like me. Will check Frostgrave and Stargrave! Frostgrave sounds more enticing to me though... as I like Fantasy way more than Sci-Fi. 😊🎨🎨🎨
Happy new year Don, my Death Guard army is based on your method. Looking forward to tackling Mortarian in the new year😃 keep up the excellent work.
Wow! Thank you Patrick! I am hunting Mortarion myself! I want to paint one this year. Happy New Year! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Have you watched any of Marco Frisoni's videos? Well before the 'slap chop' craze, he was doing a lot of underpainting and grisaille videos, covering the same techniques from a lens of efficiency of technique rather than raw speed for army painting.
Yes I've seen a couple! Great stuff! 😊🎨🎨🎨
Where did you get the models from? I didn't catch it.
Great video otherwise!
Ghamak miniatures at Patreon. Thanks! 😊🎨🎨🎨
19” L x 9” W x 11” H. how much would it cost to get u too make city ruins for these dimensions an too have u piece in squares that are 4"an a half by 4"an a half I would need 8 squares it would be for my gunpla 1/144 models to be set up in an it would be going inside an 10 gallon aquarium I have set up I've tried to build city ruins but failed
Please respond if you can
I'm not putting water in it just the city ruins an some of my gunpla 1/144 models
Hi, have you seen my Daughter Nico's diorama? Also we are from the Philippines, it will be a tad crazy to ship like Nico's Wing diorama. 😊
Happy New Year 🎉 and that was not a rotten lemon standard. Underripe at best!
Happy New Year Daniel! Ah yes... underripe is perfect! 😅
I know you weren't happy with the painting, and I am really sorry for what you experienced in the social media space. I absolutely appreciate you and your efforts. The painting from my perspective was an absolute clinic on OSL. Looks amazing to me.
Thank you Marc. Painting could be better... but its ok. 😊🎨🎨🎨
Way to go, young brother! I like your attitude, and I like the name of golden lemon. Regarding being accused of being a racist: I just tell someone like that to go into their cry closet.🤣😂 -Rick, USMC
Hahaha! The racist comment was the funniest really. Golden Lemon is just my way of calling my "display-ish level painting". 😅
Ignore the internet buffoons. What's amusing is that that method of painting is technically called Grisaille; not slap chop. It was used from as early as the 1300's. Call your method what you will.....it's all just underpainting with a glaze on top, in the end. Great Video!
Thank you! Haha... its just Facebook being Facebook I think. 😅🎨🎨🎨
I agree with you, I dont understand one neurone people that demand the world to BE like they believe is the right way and hate and attack everything that dont follow the line of their "reality"
Hahaha... its like if you do not follow trends or names established by "influencers" you are an outcast. Which I love! Kinda turned me off from that Facebook group and the Warhammer community though. 😅🎨🎨🎨
''I can't afford Warhammer'' join the club ;-) get yourself a copy of Dragon Rampant from Osprey. Also ignore the internet and paint how you want.
I can afford a mini or two... hahaha... but not an army of 2 or more. Will check Dragon Rampant! Thanks! 😊🎨🎨🎨
yeah I am making my own paint style based off my Pixel art style which is just 3 step Primary colors the main colors of the model, Secodary colors the colors over them and are less on the models and Accents the little details. As I'm just sharding to do physical art and I want my models to be true color not each a scene... as I want to use 1x light/shadows as I'm a phograther and like my models to exsit IRL so I can play with them IRL and not in their own little worlds tey only exsit on that base/army/collection. So yeah I doubt anyone will try it but people like my digital art so I think it will look good... If I can up my brush control which sucks.
Super cool concept! But, yes... you need a bit of brush control. Have you tried locking your hands together on the table? 😊🎨🎨🎨
I think that anyone who learns "slap chop" as a beginner can find it to be easy and less intimidating. As they try to get better and learn more techniques, your glazing style will fit in very well with what they already understand. I would suggest your channel as a good "next" step.
I sort of agree that slopchop is a good way to start painting minis. But I would recommend the proper way of just clean base coats then washes, then eventually proper highlights, the old school basic way to learn first, before anyone tries slopchop. 😊
To expensive to buy 4 armies.... 3d printer goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Good luck getting your hands on Kimera paints. They're never available.
Yes... I heard. Always preorder! 😬😬😬
I would've called it "Lemon Tinting"
Haha! That works. 😊🎨🎨🎨
As a Wargamer I'm a bit of an odd one. I like to have my armies looking cool and try learn more techniques and improve my painting. But at the same time I try to cut corners and paint learn to be as "fast" and efficient as posible. I tend take my time with center pieces and cool heroes though. I'm a fan of high quality speed painting if it even makes sense lol
Edit: I must say that with painting I've moved from hating it, to enjoying it when I'm in the mood. And I'm close to painting display quality model. Still not there, I feel I still need to make a final break through to get there, but I will!
You are indeed caught in the middle. High quality "rush" painting is more accurate. As long as you enjoy painting, and their is a will or conscious effort to improve, you will get there. 😊🎨🎨🎨
"First of all I am a painter ..."
I agree. I find the whole "fast painting" trend terrible. I mean: painting is more than just "finishing" something. The result reflects IMHO the effort that was put into it. Even if it's not perfect, you can see the effort you put in or the frustration of having a bad day. After all, the time spent painting is the MUSE you deserve. And that, after all, is art. IMHO e.g. "Speed Painting" is just another trend of this time, not wanting to take any more time for anything and always having to look for a "silver bullet".
I've painted by hand for upwards of about 14 years now, it's what I'm used to, and while I would like to improve with my airbrush? I prefer to hunker down, brush in hand to really focus on details as best I can. It takes as long as it takes, and the more effort you put in the better, no two ways about it. I see where some people are declaring "Speed painting is a gateway to getting people painting," and the like, but for me? The best way to do it is to sit down and put time into it. It's the only way to "git gud" at anything. Plus, "contrast"/"speed" paints are overpriced anyway most of the time--capitalizing on a trend, any? Give me my brushes, my Vallejo/P3/Citadel paints, and turn me loose and I'm a happy painter.
Painter first here. I love the mini or model more, as I spend more time on it. Less time... less love. 😊🎨🎨🎨
P3! I used to have those paints! They are awesome for brush painting. Totally agree... I prefer brush painting. Putting more time, more effort on a mini. 😊🎨🎨🎨
Inks are much better than contrast paints for the speed paint techniques appropriated by the slap chop term.
I love my inks! Liquitex are a bit too runny though, so far I still prefer my Game Inks, but will not let these bottles go to waste. 😉🎨🎨🎨
@@DonSuratos they’re super intense and runny for sure. I use them too but sparingly. I use Game Ink or Scale, usually Scale because they’re as intense as Liquitex but easier to control. The Liquitex are great through the airbrush though.
@@jasoncarpenter5974 Scale... no access for scale here bro. But Game Inks are fine. Always needs thinning though. Loving these inks... might add some "matte medium" to thicken. 😊
Slapchop definition is a gresaile with black, then grey and finally white drybrush followed with 1 or 2 layers of thinned transparent paints.
It is meant to be fast and for people that are not good at painting or doesn't like it. Also meant for people that doesn't like airbrush.
Hope the condensed description helps. Its fine for what it is but it is not meant for everybody. The expression has also gotten muddy because every famous UA-camr is trying to invent their own version of it or a 2.0 🤣
Ahhhh... no wonder I find it confusing. I do not watch channels that has "slapchop" though. No offense, but will not learn anything that would elevate my painting ( just me ). So I just see thumbnails... and everything seems like slopchop these days. I watch channels, big or small with great painting though. Not naming channels, as I might miss a few. 😅🎨🎨🎨
It was meant to be a speed painting system to get a newly purchased model tabletop ready asap (ie a new edition or faq makes the model obsolete) while still having a decent quality, and as Duncan Rhodes also explained, you can always come back and finish the details of the model after your games on the tabletop
You should not really bother. After all ''slap chop'' is nothing new, it has been here for centuries and it was always known in painting as grisaille or velatura. Thats how most of the renaissance painters and Dutch masters worked. Build up your tones and contrast in a monochromatic style and then come in with transparent glazes, shifting the hues and in the very end add opaque color where its needed. Just some youtuber pretended that he discovered something by switching the fancy sounding italian/french terminology to a term suitable for Generation Z kids.
I have to say that I find this whole speedpainting trend abit annoying. It has its place dont get me wrong, but it should be meant for board games with 50+ pieces or completely rank and file armies. I see people buying expensive display models or ridiculously expensive hero/characters by GW, only to just slap some paint on therm. I mean whats the point then? From GW's perspective speed paint is fantastic because its their way to make you overcome your guilt for spending thousands of euros for plastic kits that gather dust at your shelves. You just slap on some paint ignoring 80% of the detail that made the models desirable in the first place, and buy some more.
Have a Happy New Year and lets hope for peace!
Wow so long... but I totally agree. Not really annoyed with the "speed slop painting"... but its a good sign who to watch and NOT to watch, if you want to learn good painting. Happy New Year too! 😊🎨🎨🎨
I took slap chop as a joke bc it’s not a new method. Just a silly name for a method that many of us have used for ages to speed paint minis.
The name is a joke… and I think was also meant as a joke. It is a fun name for an old technique. 😊
Haha... soooo many stupid comments that I got at Facebook. It was so funny. 😅🤣😂
Slap chop is a stupid name, and if you don't like this comment then just follow the instructions at the end of one of Groundeffected's videos.
Huh? Groundaffected who? 😅
@@DonSuratos That's for your haters, not for you. But if you want a laugh, go watch one of his videos and you'll get my meaning. I agree with what you said, and people are silly.
@@dougpridgen9682 I think they are not haters... just the usual Facebook stuff, where everybody has an opinion. Strong opinion at times. But sure! Will check, try to check those comments at that video. Haha 😅
What?!? Snob? Racist? What the actual heck?!? Dude please don't change, you're so far from being any of that! You're a great artist and a great youtuber too. :)
It was crazy man... funny but also disappointing. i mean, I had no idea the miniature painting hobby can be as crazy. At least at Facebook. UA-cam has been generally great though. 😅
I suck at painting. I will not call it slapchop because it sounds stupid.
Hahaha! You can call it Suck Cut bro! I think that is the new trend? 😅😂🤣
@@DonSuratos i have been painting/building for minis for a couple years now. I have seen so many trendy trends come and go. I pointed out to some in a painting group that some of these guys here would paint their models with different shades of poop if the right “influencer” painter did it and made a video. The “influencer” that runs that group laughed at my comment as 99% of them flamed me.
@@lanesteele240 Hahahaha! Not laughing at the flaming... but huge influencers are powerful bro. Honestly, I am okay of not growing this channel and be called an "influencer" or "youtuber"... I rather be known as a plain old "painter". 😉🎨🎨🎨
love your painting style. and a happy new year! but man, I knew people have been watering down the meaning of racist to near worthlessness over the last couple of years, but calling someone racist because they refuse to adopt the name of a painting style has to be a new low.
Thank you Wing Viper. I try to improve everytime. This painting here is a new low for me too. Other than the recist comment. 😅🤣😂
who are the people that you watch
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Huh? Here at UA-cam?
You say 'slapchop' quite a lot for someone who refuses to adopt the name ;)
LOL. Just in this video I think. 😅😂🤣
I think I understand what you're saying and the reasoning behind it, but it comes off as elitist and dismissive even when you explain it in this video. You laugh after you say you'd never watch a video by people who use slap chop and seem to not really understand what it is, even though it's essentially what you already do. It has nothing to do with the paint brand you're using, it's simply a variation of the Grisaille technique with a more modern name.
Exactly why I put this off... until my year end video. Moving on now. 😉🎨🎨🎨
@@DonSuratos Probably better to ignore it completely than disparage the people who do it in an attempt to make painting more accessible to the masses. Happy New Year in any case, keep up the good work.
@@Pharune616 Totally agree! This will be my last. Cheers and Happy New Year! 😊🎨🎨🎨
It does come across as dismissive and perhaps snobbish to say you haven't even watched any SC content. It would have taken maybe 45 minutes to absorb a few YT videos and then at least add better and informed commentary.
@@donttellhimpike2043 I am pretty sure it did. But I paint everyday... I paint full time, so I rarely watch painting videos. I watch basketball, UFC, dinosaurs and even Warhammer Lore during painting. Rarely painting videos.
Dat Mini looks crazy good