You can’t even tell race unless it’s a black or white skin color. That’s how generic most anime character’s ethnicity is. For example, JJBA. You can barely tell the difference between British, Japanese, or some Egyptians unless they’re wearing specific clothing.
by this point and age, its not ive seen so many racist takes that claimed to be inclusive and ended up begin way worse than anything you will see on 4chan or something similar
@@gibmeaway100 To say youtube comment sections in the powerscaling community is so much bullshit it makes you want to kill yourself is a understatement.
If someone calls themselves anti-racist, expect them to have racist views until proven otherwise. Because most of the time these people know very little about whatever culture they're trying to speak for.
It checks out actually, since anti-racists are massive racists, the best example would still be the two principals who literally segregated the students based on their skin color because black kids aren't able to keep up with the white kids. The two principals were black women, by the way.
I like how they imply that the Japanese, literally an Asian nation, don't know how to properly portray Asian people in the media. As a descendant of the Slavs, I find this incredibly uncomfortable, as if someone from Western Europe is again telling me that I am not European enough because of living in Eastern Europe.
its because their echo chamber assures them they arent racist, so theyre free to be even more racist and have no guilt over it. bet all these people put blm in their bio about just how not racist they are while doing the most low key racist crap possible.
Leftist mentality in a nutshell. Their are some of the most anabashidly racist people I've ever had the displeasure of knowing, but have some how managed to fool the world into thinking its conservatives (who are some of the most respectful and tolerant people I've known) that are the hateful ones?
Its simple, to them you cannot be racist unless you have a specific skin color. The dissonance can be justified by saying they are "bigoted" which they view as normal but not racist which they view as vile.
When they find out the diversity in asia can make some not look like the stereotypical asians while still being fully asians. An asian can be pale af or rly dark tone, have silky straight hair or super curly hair, have fully black hair or naturally reddish hair, look petite or curvy, etc etc. It all rly depends on genes and where they're from.
I remember there was once a drama whenever Usagi from Sailor moon is Asian or Caucasian (blond hair blue eyes) and the response from Japanese people was like: the f u talk abt. She's a drawing, idiot. And thats basically how most people in Japan feel about live action adaptations. Many people in Japan liked Hollywood version of "all you need is kill" (the Hollywood version was called something like edge of tomorrow) and the point is that they don't really care unless you would make a complete mockery of their own culture
man they must not realize that for decades japan liked to draw a lot of characters with strong features from caucasians (mainly chins that stuck out more) regardless of their nationality. nevermind the "power fantasy" style dominated by Hokuto No Ken where they tended to draw half the men as american 80's action heroes on steroids. (I think Arnold made a big impression) Japan does what they do. And regardless of if they were influenced by the west a lot at times, it's always been them, their artists, their culture, and their work.
@@scout360pyroz arnold was even in their old energy drink commercials, speaking of that style i recently read super doctor k, basically black jack and first of the north star combined. the 80s were wild.
I don’t know if this is true or not. But I remember reading somewhere that Usagi being blonde with blue eyes, is to make her stand out from the rest, or make her look more ‘special’. I think it was also around the time when those blonde pretty boy characters were becoming insanely popular At the time? Apparently the reason being that the Blonde and Blue eyes look in Manga and Anime culture was either seen as unique, ethereal and 'beautiful' at the time, or a symbol of delinquency and rebellion. But all in all, it’s just a design choice. Purely aesthetic.
I think these "fixers" of art are probably some of the most ignorant people when it comes to actual diversity of culture. Their definition of diversity is so narrow it becomes a synonym for stereotypes.
I remember one "fixer" drew a black woman character so stereotypically they made Aunt Jamima look like a feminist, business woman. (Nothing against Auntie personally.)
And whenever they got called out, those art fixers claimed it was 'drawn with their own style'. Those idiots clearly has no idea about the difference between 'draw this in your style' and 'fixing art'.
Yeah, it's like when you get the maximum score in an old video game, and the score goes back to 000,000. They get so anti-racist they become racist again.
Or wearing a whole bunch of cloths on your head and starts screaming "ALLAHU AKBAR" in the middle of public Oh wait no that's different, you'd get immediately turned into swiss cheese for that
Cant wait for Twitter artists to start redesigning African characters with big red lips and jet black skin while claiming they "finally look like Africans".
They usually try to hide those garbage personalities behind pronouns and shoving their sexuality right into people's faces (acting like sexuality is a personality trait). I have yet to meet someone, with pronouns in their bio, that isn't some legit deranged lunatic when in more private chat spaces. They always try to put on that gag inducing "white savior" complex when chatting in more public viewing areas. Though, the Twitter Freaks still tend to leak their absolute garbage lunatic takes into their public mentions.
The term 'de-animefication' made me think of those pictures you see of Simpsons or pokemon but if they were real, and all you get are nightmare fuel abominations.
"It is racist to depict asians as anything different from simpsons-colored ww2 propaganda caricatures" holy shit their lack of awareness is almost unmatched
Kinda weird for that one guy who talks about realistic JoJo art to pick Jotaro and Josuke - two characters who are half-white - instead of like a plethora of other Japanese JoJo characters.
Reminded me of one time someone on twitter pointed out to a Japanese artist that the Japanese characters in their Jojo fan arts look "whitewashed" but the weird part is the person referred the Japanese characters as "japs" which is a slur. Kind of ironic to me
@@depthstrider68 Tbf though to that person, I had no idea that Japanese without the -anese was a slur for a really long time and used it to shorten Japanese. Could have just been them not knowing, it’s not a well known slur.
@@depthstrider68 exactly, just like ‘brit’ or ‘cracker’ but sometimes people just don’t care. Or just want to add more words to the magazine of racism.
@@depthstrider68 and also really weird calling the fan arts as whitewashing considering that most of the jojo's cast is made from people of different countries
Aren't very few of the JoJo characters full Japanese? I mean, all the main characters are direct descendants of European guys. Either Johnathan Joestar or Dio Brando's head on a Joestar body right? I THINK Josuke is the least European as his father was half Japanese and his mother was full Japanese. Not sure about Jolene, as I have not actually watched parts 5/6.
When they start wording things with "De-anime" and such, it sounds a lot like "cleansing" something unwanted. One can easily describe non-anime depictions of characters with words like "realism", which would describe the modern Resident Evil games, for example. So to invent terms like "De-animefication" when describing the process of reimagining a character in a style that is not anime, it rubs me the wrong way. Sounds like veiled bias and disrespect to the anime art style.
Exactly. Normal people would just describe it as drawing a character in a more realistic style. Only weirdos need to invent a new term that only gets across the point that they think there is something wrong with anime style.
Agree with you on that. As an Asian, as much as I like the new realistic looking models for the RE remakes, they do kinda feel more westernized to me. No realistic looking model for Leon will ever beat the Darkside Chronicles Leon model in my heart. It's a stylized semi-realism cgi which is very distinctly Japanese and which you can see in Japanese produced games and CGI movies like Final Fantasy. Although, I do love Ada and Ashley's model in the remkae, they look great and my favorite among the realistic era of RE.
That was why I was confused too. RE's not even anime to begin with. Street Fighter.... maybe if you compare the 2D and 3D versions, although it wasn't even that de-animefied either
The thing is RE was never anime or I'd say anime-esque in the first place, even more so than other Capcom franchises Sure it has over-the-top anime moments every so often but it's pretty consistently Western B-movie inspired from the get go
It's almost as if these people are selectively ignoring the reason that anime characters have such large eyes to begin with, it has literally nothing to do with race and is only done to exaggerate the emotions of the characters. They're intentionally made out to look not quite human(unrealistic) so they can express emotions easier. No other medium in the world, even ironically live-action, can depict emotions as well as anime can. It's hiding these expressive eyes that make moments such as Maes Hughes's funeral and Rimuru standing over Shion's dead body hit so hard.
@@mac0cheese763 no, OP didn't say that it was making it more realistic looking. He said that the thing he was showcasing was "Making asian characters look like asian people" then showed two drawings with the same level of detail, just shaped and colored differently. If this wasn't a race thing, then why even specify "asian" so heavily? also, even if what you said was the case, it'd still be worthy of scorn because a certain skin tone, or eyes not shaped like coin slots aren't inherently exaggerated features that need to be made "more realistic" that doesn't even make sense unless you think OP thinks asians with that skin tone, or rounder eyes aren't a thing. Which again loops back around to racism and stereotyping.
I can say right now that Asians don't always look that brown. The depiction looked either SE-Asian or maybe Indian, but it's most likely not the Easterners. Heck, could be a southeast Asian from Chinese descent... except the skin tone would've been lighter, a lot lighter in fact. See this is why we really shouldn't obsess with fictional character's races *this* much. It is a rabbit hole that will drag you down to endless abyss
@@mac0cheese763 2 things, person in video said they love making anime characters "look like asian people", but the depicted art shows a very narrow kind of Asian, arguably not even the most in count, being a tanned Asian with squinted eyes is not as common at all as being "fair skinned" and squinted, as you ironically say, it's just a stereotyped depiction of asians, the "lilo stichian Asian archetype" is not what people like even han Chinese are, secondly person in video seems to think that anime characters are a race, specifically oriented towards Asians, which nobody making them actually thinks, or she just loves randomly making Asian made characters look "Asian", which is a strange fetish, as if I thought I needed to make all characters made by black people need to stereotypically look black...
@@mac0cheese763 not really, only point you might have touched upon was you saying people are reaching when they want her to say east Asian instead of Asian, but that's kind of a straw man like reply, if I take it as a reply to me saying how inaccurate her depiction of Asian is, If a person wants to correct something they correct it the best they can, not to the approximate this "uh east Asians are close to Asians guys" thing, seems you're unreasonabley charitable to this person, like she didn't even say "east Asian is a closer look to Asians than anime, guys", she just depicted what she thinks is Asian... Do you actually have proof that that is what she thinks? Otherwise we take her at her own words, rather than this unproven charity you're doing.
- Claims it's annoying how anime characters look like anime characters but don't look realistic enough to have and present racial features. (Very RACE focused for who claims to not be a racist 🤔) - Doodles their own depiction of an anime character. It's not anime anymore. - It's basically an asian caricature doodle, representing one of the...5 or 6 different "asian" races mentioned. - can't handle the fallout, closes the thread claiming racists are flooding the thread. ... 🤯
@@vehicleunhandler Geographically Polynesians are in the Oceania region. If we are simply defining "Asian" as peoples found in the Asian continent then the grouping geographically would be: East Asian (Japan, China, Korea, Mongolia) South East Asian (Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia to name a few) Southern Asian (Pakistan, India, Bangladesh to name a few) Central Asian (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan to name a few) Middle East Asians (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan to name a few) Northern Asians (Asian part of Russia, Siberia) Of course, there are more countries in each geographical region. Source: I'm asian, trust me. lol
As a Chinese, I hate the "de-anime" thing. Those narrow eyes faces are more common in the northern part of Asia. Seeing how Western media love to stick to the stereotype and portray Asian like that and only that actually make me sick. Even Southern Chinese looks different to the stereotype. Indians, SEAsians look more different to the stereotype too.
I like how people just say “yeah anime is racist because the characters don’t look Asian” when anime is literally made in Japan. That art style is how they want to portray their characters and that’s great! It’s fine to draw them in your own style but don’t act like your style is better than that of anime.
The traditional anime style was popularized by Tezuka who said he based it around what Disney was doing around the same time with heavy inspiration. That’s literally it. Disney did do some giant eyed expressive characters. That’s the main reason cartoons tend to be more expressive than real people and why the remakes Disney does with real actors aren’t as good as the originals. It’s almost like cartoons and animation allow for more creative flexibility and by trying to limit yourself to “realism” you end up losing a lot of the charm that works better in animation.
Really hard to beat something that people believe in for hundreds of years, despite there being no actual scientific backing for the concept of Race in humans. What people classify for "Race" is really just arguing over how much melatonin is in their skin based on what region of the planet they live in.
The worst racists I see are usually these online social crusaders... It's especially hilarious when they assume someone they disagree with is white, only to discover they aren't.
It's like Twitter is incapable of understanding what a CARTOON is. It's not SUPPOSED to look completely realistic. It's an ART STYLE. It reminds me of people who take Simpsons or SpongeBob characters and Photoshop them to be hyper realistic. It destroys the original simplistic and memorable style the og creator had in mind.
Ikr, like if you make anime realistic, then it wouldnt exist at all LMAOO even int heir example, its not fanart because the character was depicted with purple hair and purple eyes, but theirs had black hair and brown eyes.. these mfs make no sense sometimes
except making Simpsons and SpongeBob charas realistic is just done for fun in a “what if” situation. While people like these, are actually serious about thinking that they need to make anime more realistic for some reason. Like I don’t see anyone complaining that Rick and Morty or phinies and ferb are unrealistic and they should make them look more “American”
Sorry but, when the hell has any Resi game been stylistically anime? Even the old games tried their best to render the characters as real people as they realistically could on the Playstation in the cinematics.
I wondered that too. Did they found some fanart and mistook it for an official post? Or did they just spit that nonesense because RE series are created by JP devs?
Resident Evil has side games that uses an anime style but none of the games we've seen have been in that style. I had to look at resident evil wiki character galleries just to find them. I don't even think they're available outside of Japan
I think it's with the older remastered games and other supplementary games of RE like The Darkside Chronicles, as well as the CGI movies like Degeneration and Damnation They kinda went with the semi-realistic anime 3D styles there with the models which looked reminiscent of Final Fantasy characters and other Japanese 3D CGI movies. But even with that "animefication", western characters like Leon, Claire and Chris still looked western enough and Asian characters like Ada looked Asian. It's just a bit stylized. Japanese produced games and cgi movies have, this semi-realistic style that is very distinct and a bit inspired by anime. It's very different with Western style CGI which is more gritty.
@@key5270 I enjoy the semi realistic style. As much as I enjoy realistic Leon - who wouldn't lol - realistic graphics is hurting gameplay. Plus it ages by next year
Not all Asians, especially Japanese, have darker skin and monolids. I'm Japanese and we (my family) range from pale to dark skin and have double-eyelids. Not to mention other Asians like Indian and Filipino have different appearances.
ngl as one of SEA people, we all claims to be racist as a joke but majorly respect each other even tho we did little trolling too sometime lol however when it's related to this stuff, we all unite to hate people with no brain juice when they stated they're not racist but being raciest person in the world
Obviously to "de-anime" an anime character you give the character giant yellow buck teeth, jaundiced yellow skin, make the eyes two singular lines, and have the character say "OH HERRO"
i like the cats thing. frankly, the way anime is, its done in a way that most people can imprint onto it. it works. and frankly, unless a story requires race to be nessesary as a legitmiate story element then whats the point? whole argument is dumb
The cat thing made me crack up. The fact that we can't totally tell if it's a meme or not tells you there's at least an element of truth to it. Optimised for cute appeal.
Does Twitter Colonizers not realize that most people like 2D over 3D because it's a preference? For some it's an escape, for me, I just like the style of 2D art because there's no uncanny valley that will make me scream in terror every time I see it.
Anime comes from japan which is east asia. Most east asians are pale skinned therefore most of the characters in anime that depict real life would have pale skinned characters. south east asian people are a little bit darker as they live closer to the equator while west asians like india and pakistan are brown or dark skinned.
I think that's actually what they meant. In which case, they should've just outright said they dislike the anime style. Nothing wrong with that. Instead they made it into a social justice issue.
@@chynaanderson494yea I thought they just wanted to change the anime artstyle to a more realistic looking one. And not that they meant "Japanese artists can't draw Japanese/Asian people. I still believe it's the former.
@@chynaanderson494 BRUHH what are you even talking about bro. OP never made any political or social justice statement when they said they liked fanart where anime characters are depicted more realistically. Why does this entire comment section think this tweet is making some sort of stand against how exaggerated anime characters look when its painfully obvious after just one read that that is not the case.
@@chynaanderson494 I dont think they dislike the anime style. They seemed to just be talking about fan art. I can see the appeal of drawing cartoon or anime characters more realistic. Its happened for years but people on Twitter for some reason can't take time to think about what a person is really talking about. They saw an easy target and started shooting
@@mac0cheese763 because most people don't read or think. Most people in this comment section just heard "look hot take. Racist sjw. Dum dum dum". It's like these people can't form their own opinion or disagree with someone they really like. You know what's gonna happen if I disagree with Hero Hei? Nothing. He's just a guy and and anyone can be mistaken, or maybe he's just stoking the flames, he doesn't lose anything pushing bad ideas.
3:44 gonna go with this ones take, however the modern concept of representation also annoys the heck out of me constantly. I especially am sick of people priming others to believe that if somehow someone who doesn't physically look like them isn't around in a piece of content, then somehow the content is denying them the ability to enjoy it, and they must screech for it to feel "included". I grew up never being drawn to needing to see someone looking like me and it wasn't in my media, because I didn't require skin deep stuff like that and connected with the characters and emotive points instead. I hate the press of changing characters that already existed to give people this even more. it's utterly lazy but people keep taking it and acting like it's amazing it's happening, like they are overjoyed for accepting what from their perspective should be table scraps. meanwhile content from people that im told would despise me because they wrote stuff that light a fire in my imagination. If people want this so much, why not "represent" cultural stories instead that haven't gotten that limelight, and do those proper justice- oh wait, one of the last ones of those i found out about completely mistold the story, and i was called an -ist for not wanting to support the blatant lie.
What group of Asian people? Asia's a continent, a collection of countrys. So all those people don't look the same and certainly don't match how that fanart portrays
But it's greatly lumped together. There is a 3-part series on youtube done by people from the "supposedly" represented countries in Raya and the last dragon
@@serkandevel7828 yeah, that's why it's a continent. Btw I know I've get relatives there and I'm technically part asia but I'd be lying if I said I was well versed in the culture. So if you could link that series I'd appreciate it
I'm Asian and I don't have slanted eyes. Drawing Asians in a way that represents them only with slanted eyes is both an insult to the one who have slanted eyes and just normal looking eye shape. This thinking is a product of racism the people who does this is racist. It's just sad but Asian are not as important to them, we are just being used as facts to the arguments and it all ends there with a very shallow stance.
The Anime cat style is something that is in line with my own headcannon. Since Anime was derived from mimicking older American cartoons depicting larger eyes and easier to read emotive expressions. At the time American cartoons often anthropomorphize animal characters, so to me modern Anime is just the literal evolution of catgirls descendant from their original roots.
Yeah, no. Miao is pretty accurate there. If you take anime character sand draw 'fanart' of them but just make them look like an average, stereotypical, almond-shape eyed person with black hair and more realistic features...that's not even fanart at that point. And it IS in fact, for once, problematic. (Based asian Twitter is lovely.) If the character has purple hair and big, bright yellow eyes with canine teeth. You are NOT drawing fanart if you make it an average looking, semi-realistic, stereotyped asian person with brown eyes and black hair in your drawing. That's referencing at best. But not fanart (unless you draw the clothes right...and who tf draw fanart for clothes?). Western Twitter should really stop trying to correct art and tell others how to 'do things right'. ( As a sidenote for western Twitter of THIS kind: You people can hardly function as a normal human, what with not being able to throw out insults or hottakes and not being able to take the critique or well deserved hate you get for it. So, stop trying to tell others what to do. That's so embarrassing really. Tho it IS quite funny to see how dumb you are while pretending to be better than everyone else. )
Not all Asians look like Jackie Chan. The anime design is at least abstract enough that a character can be interpreted as any East Asian, Caucasians, North African, etc. The fanart design in the image doesn't have that luxury.
That one person with the Chun Li pic wasn't actually calling all anime featureless blobs. They pointed out that people think that you have 2 kinds of art, featureless blobs or racist caricatures. And I agree, some people do think like that.
Might get some heat for this, and I want to preface this by saying I love anime. But my one criticism is in the cases where you have stories that include and portray many different cultures and ethnicities it can be difficult to really tell who is from where. I just finished Kengan Ashura and started Kengan Omega, its a great show but the foreign fighters from England, France, German, and other more pale cultures look like they could also be from Japan and vise versa, its really only the darker skinned characters that look like they are really from another part of the world. WITH THAT SAID!!!!! Its the art style and an asian one at that, so I don't think its a good idea to lecture them on who to draw their characters
i think the take that Western viewers are telling Asian creators that their characters don't look Asian enough is a pretty good summation of the problem.
Honestly I like the idea of adding diversity to art, like creating darker shades for asian characters instead of constantly having the pale skin, I like seeing people portrayed as well as possible, from whatever race or culture or heritage they might be from. Ppl suck sometimes tho
1:14 I love how they picked two Jojo characters who are very specifically only half Japanese. Like, Jotaro is 1/4 British/American, 1/4 Italian and Josuke is 1/2 British/American. So they kinda are, to use this person's stupid term, "straight up white." At least half, anyway. Seriously, they literally could have picked any other character from Part 4 to be used as an example of a Japanese Jojo character in their stupid argument but decided to use the only two characters that aren't even fully Japanese. Though that doesn't even matter, because simply drawing an anime character how they look in said anime isn't drawing them "white," it's called being accurate to the source material.
I'm not very big into anime, but I have seen a lot of Dragonball Z and saw all of Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. There really is some kind of a mishmash of ethnic markers in some characters. Goku and Vegeta look Japanese to me, as does Mustang and Kimly. Other characters look White, like Hughes and Armstrong. Female characters are usually harder to distinguish, because I think the ideal female for both white and Asians has those big "doe" eyes. Not always though. Lust definitely looks like an Asian female, but Winry not easy to decipher. I do think Winry is White. But the big doe eye thing is also used to portray innocence, and that's why they can get away with making Lust still very attractive, but with more discernable Asian features, since she's not an innocent character.
huh, curious that you mention those because Dragon Ball Z and Fullmetal Alchemist have pretty stylized art, at least in terms of face features. I'm also curious as to what exactly do you define as "asian" and "white" markers because, first of, Goku and Vegeta are aliens. Second, you could say most of the characters in FMA are german, or at least an equivalent. And they do have Chinese characters in there too! Funny enough, Ling Yao does have the "slit eyes", but so does Brock from Pokemon and Ichimaru Gin from Bleach, so it's more the "when the closed eyes character opens them" trope than anything. Meanwhile, Lan Fan and Mei Cheng have very round eyes. And if you follow the german analogy, the people of Ishval would be jewish, or at least another group from the middle east. To me, the eyes are a good indicator of the personality of the character in question. Round and big eyes show purity, naivety, innocence, and a cheerful nature. Point in case Mei and Winry. Make them a little droopier and the character looks more melancholic. Make them dull and with half eyelids and the character looks more serene, monotone and/or emotionless. Sharper eyes could indicate a devious nature, like in Lust's case where her eyes point to her sultry personality. For Mustang, the sharp eyes indicate his serious attitude (most of the time). Square-ish eyes like Edward's usually go for energetic and youthful characters. You find that in many other anime character with similar personalities like Natsu, Shinra and Asta. Point being, DBZ and FMA are pretty good in differing their characters based on where they come from, but usually that comes in the form of clothes and behaviors. On the other hand, the average Highschool SoL will show off a girl that looks like any other but she has blue eyes and is blonde and boom! generally "European" exchange student
@@sparking023 "I'm also curious as to what exactly do you define as "asian" and "white"" As a general rule, I think white features tend to be more square faced. The WB animated "blocky" style animated films (like all the different Batmans) usually capture those features well. And the eyes tend to not necessarily be larger, but they are usually straight horizontal, or slanted slightly upward. Asian eyes tend to be slanted slightly downwards, but not always (slant is only a small marker of eye ethnicity). And Asian faces tend to be rounder in a general sense as well (but also not the only marker of a face). There are people with eyes slanted very downward, but still look white, and others who have eyes slanted upward, but still look Asian. At the end of the day, my generalizations are only meant to make it a bit easier to discuss the animated portrayals a bit easier, and not meant to categorize everything and everyone (that's a much harder job). So with that said: Animated styles tend to be like artificial flavors. A watermelon probably has 60+ chemicals that give it its unique taste, but 5 of them are very prominent, and make up 80% of the flavor. So a company will stick those 5 flavors in a candy and BOOM! it tastes like watermelon.....................but not quite. Lemon is probably the easiest to nail, because real lemon probably has 90% citric acid, and that means you literally need to stick only Citric Acid in your candy, and it tastes like lemon. Guava would not be as easy to replicate. With animated characters, I would say the same is true: Goku and Vegeta have eyes that slant downward, they have heads are are more round, especially at the forehead, and their hairstyle is also typically associated with an Asian hairstyle. So I would say they are "Asian" looking. But Goku "could" be interpreted as White if you really wanted to. The fact that they are "aliens" doesn't matter. That's almost incidental. Does Superman look "Alien"? Or does he look like a White guy? FMA can certainly be alluded to a "German" country, while Ling Yao is from a "Chinese Dynasty" country. Wrath certainly has a very "German" look to him, as does Armstrong. They have those "square/angular" faces associated with White characters. Hughes still has White features, but softer, so he's probably more of a "British/Scottish" type. Women are harder to pinpoint. Is Winry white? I bet if you asked fans in the US, they would say yes, and if you asked fans in Japan, they would say she's Japanese. Lan Fan I think is a bit easier: She has the rounder face, and the button nose (also associated with Asian women). But for female characters, it's not so easy to just say they are White or East Asian. Is Hawkeye White or Asian? Is Maria Ross White or Asian? Where they run into a problem, is that, I believe it just so happens that some East Asian features make a drawing of a female character look more "feminine", and by proxy "cuter". Mira Armstrong is clearly not Asian, and her eyes do have a bit of a slant downward. But the other facial features are more angular, and the nose is larger, so she still looks female, but not "feminine", which was the point of her character. "Point being, DBZ and FMA are pretty good in differing their characters based on where they come from, but usually that comes in the form of clothes and behaviors." I do think there's a bit more than just the clothes, as stated above, but yet, you are right that probably 60% of it is everything other than the face. Mei has the hairstyle and clothing typically associated with Chinese traditions, and she has a small panda for a pet.
The modern day style of animation actually is NOT asian. Osamu Tezuka was a die-hard Disney fan who invented his signature art style by emulating Bambi. True story
...and yet they get mad when a character is drawn "racially" correct but it isn't the stereotype norm that they associate with, like hispanics always having to be drawn tanned. I'm just convinced these people generally don't make an effort to learn from their mistakes.
Reminds me of one of those people who says a female character is not drawn realistically enough and then proceeds to create a fat hairy arm snub nose freckle goblin caricature of said character.
Jin Roh did a fantastic job of making the Japanese characters resemble actual Japanese people while maintaining a consistent anime-esque animation style. It’s a fine compromise between generic coomer bait anime and inane “de-animification” of Asian characters.
Yeah, tbh I really don't understand why everyone is upset at the original tweeter. They never bashed the anime style or anything, they just thought it was cool to see them more realistic.
I don't really see where the OP went wrong with their initial post. They were basically just saying they personally like seeing fanart of anime characters that leans more towards realism. The post didn't seem like it was shitting on anime itself at all. I feel like they just worded their opinion very poorly. It's moreso some of the reply posts that seem in bad taste to me.
I guess what made people interpret it as racist would be the use of the word “Asian”; in that post op was talking about Japanese-implied anime characters yet they used the word Asian, which isn’t 100% wrong since Japan is part of Asia, but it still disregards the fact that not all Asian people are Japanese and look like your average japanese person. I do think that op should have worded themselves better but I also think that people in the replies shouldn’t have been as harsh and instead inform op on why they’re wrong. I’d say people interpreted the post as “I hate when Japanese characters made by Japanese people don’t look realistically Japanese” which yes, would be quite wrong and racist, but by what I understood op was saying “I like it when fanartists keep in mind the ethnicity of an anime character and draw them more realistically” which in my opinion is fair (especially thinking of a more realistic artist, imagine them drawing a bunch of different characters from different medias and of different ethnicities, and then drawing a Japanese anime character in an anime style, it would look weird and wrong…)
I see this as your classic "realistic fanart" (drawing cartoon characters as if they were real), nothing wrong with that. But the tweet comes off slightly... uhm, pretentious. And as the first tweet pointed out, this specific fanart was just an stereotype. I know, you like drawings that look semi-realistic... Couldn't the second example shown be closer to the first one? As if pale skin is now unrealistic, smh. That, and saying anime isn't "asian" because lot of the time the stylized, cute drawings don't show specific features. I mean, basing it off that, all other cartoons around the world that depict characters with big eyes and weird anatomy is also bad rep.
My biggest issue with fan arts is when they change drastically some of the features of the character, more specifically, skin If you just change the skin for the lighting and the environment I get it, but sometimes they will make a black characters so white/pink and a white characters almost black, I hate it
I disagree. Anime does look japanese. If you see the way these artist design and show off western characters. There are some artist who do showoff the facial differences between westerners and japanese people. Also there is nothing wrong with anime art design. Plus how in the world does anything Capcom, outside of stuff like Ace Attorney, look like anime in the slightest. Square Enix is similar where Final Fantasy hasn't ever looked like anime at all. Poeple are just hating on Japanese character design. Many things are done to make their characters stand out more. Plus they fail to realize many Japanese art had heavy disney influence in the early years but that has changed a ton
All these takes from people basically saying "I know what this race should look like and they look like this!" need to go out and actually see the races they are "representing", then maybe they will see that features such as skin tone, eyes, hair, and so on are not how they once were. We live in a world where people are a mixed bag of races, people aren't born with the stereotypical skin tones that used to be the norm for certain parts of the world, some kids have their hair color change part way through life (Don't quote me on this but this happened to myself, my younger brother and my older brother, we were all born blonde and then our hair changed to brunette as we got older), etc. So many things impact how we look and over the years they've changed greatly, so for anyone to go "This is how that race looks" is a huge racist flag in my mind because though people are part of a race they are still individuals who have their own looks, so trying to sweep them all until one look just feels like the greatest insult anyone could inflict on someone.
For real. They need to actually go to Asia for once. Not everyone looks like a stereotype. Many people actually have light skin and bigger eyes. Among many other attributes.
Wow almost like all the art that people make for review personas don't look anything like them. So should all art be realistic now and we have to segregate what race people can draw base on their race?
I'm 90% sure that the anime art style was mostly inspired by Betty Boop. She looks like a proto-anime character, was very popular among the American servicemen occupying Japan after WWII, and even started out with dog ears. People say anime was based on Disney cartoons, but those were not nearly as common in Japan in 1952 when Astro Boy was first published, and the only ones that had a human character that looked anything like an anime character were _Snow White_ (1937) and _Alice in Wonderland_ (1951). _Alice_ probably hadn't even made it to Japan by 1952, and hadn't even come out in the U.S. when Osamu Tezuka started making Astro Boy. But even if the art was inspired by Boop, Astro Boy is not a white person, and the anime style is based on him.
Person:” I’m not racist “ Also person: “ I fixed your art so it would be more inclusive to black people” The fixed art: has all the stereotypes of black people
Honestly while I believe it’s fun in trying out drawing characters in different styles. I dislike how pompous and uppity these art fixers get and treat as if only their version matters. And that if you dare express criticism or a different opinion or dislike to it, then they get all childish and claim YOU are the problem.
From the perspective of a southeast-asian. Most Asian people living in their respective countries is Tribal and or Nationalist as all heck. Just in the Philippines we discriminate against each others tribes but in the essence of competitiveness and friendly chiding rather than being exclusionary and hateful. We compete with our neighbors in neighborhood level contest, we support the winner when they represent us in a city/municipality contest, being competitive and borderline agrresive with the audience from the other parts of the city. And then when a representative wins, we support them and the target of the aggression is the crowd from other cities and so on. Filipinos like the competitive spirit and win or loose we support the victor and encourage those that lost in the various qualifiers. We might find some tribal practices of our fellow countrymen odd or even off-putting but when difficulties arise, we are still neighbors. Anyway on to art, draw it the way the artist wants, draw it the way you want draw it in a still from a different franchise, it's all good. As long as you don't push your personal preference as "the only correct choice/style" I don't see a problem. Art is Art and let us all enjoy it.
In all honesty I don't think that op's rendition was a racist stereotype at all. In her example she wanted to depict a Japanese person because most anime characters are canonically Japanese. There's a reason why you can tell who's east Asian and who's not generally speaking. vs I think it's nice to see people want to show of a diversity of different ethnic features to represent all the different people in the world. But that's all the nice things I have to say about this person. I think it is very ignorant of them to say that the anime-style is inherently problematic because it doesn't accurately represent Japanese people. Tons of western cartoons portray all kinds of funky proportions that aren't true to life, and the biggest issue here is that people are telling actual Asian people how to draw themselves. Disgusting.
Posts horrible take, gets called out, says the post reached the wrong audience, doesn't take the blame, doesn't give an apology, adds shameless plug. Classic Twitter😂
I always wonder what’s up with this wierd trend where artists who are like this have the audacity to promote their work at the end. So you’re just going to stir drama, act snobbish, play the victim and back-out when things don’t go your way. Then come back all in one go with your UwU
May I remind you westerners out there that Asia has a total of 51 countries each with their own cultures and caricatures other then just the stereotypical Chinese/Japanese with bright skin and small eyes.
I like semirealistic depictions of stylized characters from anime/manga. But, please, keep the features (attire, hairdo, skin color, eye color, hair color, etc.) so people can recognize them. Changing them to how they would with real-life features kind of defeats the purpose of semi-realism? *That, and ending up getting a backlash from the people this artist was trying to represent.* :/ Again, I love semirealism in fanart. *But keep the damn features!*
even at its most charitable interpretation, no racisms involved at all, every time an artist tries to draw cartoon characters in a 'realistic' style, especially if they're anime, it looks like boiled shit every single time.
The beauty of anime characters is that they don't look like any race and anyone can identify with any character. It's generally considered that the less features a character has, the more people it can represent, so both a white person and a light skinned Asian person can look at a character like Sailor Moon and relate to her, but not many people can look at Joseph Joestar (old version) and relate to him.
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Race obsessed people are confused by anime art: art that’s not obsessed with race.
Exactly that's the beauty of anime all sorts of made up hair colors and eye color.
Also aren’t anime character faces normally inspired by cats?
@@lissleepy4525 are they?
@@misterboxhead3045 Iirc the cutesy look of anime characters faces are inspired by cats but I’m not sure if I’m remembering that correctly.
You can’t even tell race unless it’s a black or white skin color. That’s how generic most anime character’s ethnicity is. For example, JJBA. You can barely tell the difference between British, Japanese, or some Egyptians unless they’re wearing specific clothing.
Is amazing how someone can literally be racist, make a racists drawing while simultaneously claim to dunk on racism
by this point and age, its not ive seen so many racist takes that claimed to be inclusive and ended up begin way worse than anything you will see on 4chan or something similar
To say Twitter users lack any sense of self awareness, have cognitive dissonance and are divorced from reality, is an understatement.
@@gibmeaway100 To say youtube comment sections in the powerscaling community is so much bullshit it makes you want to kill yourself is a understatement.
They are either doing it on purpose or actually being stupid, can't tell
That's just how Regressives roll man.
Twitter user's bio: # STOP ASIAN HATE # ANTI-RACIST
The twitter user:
Ture😂
Dumbass: I use racism to fight racism.
What a buncha racist
If someone calls themselves anti-racist, expect them to have racist views until proven otherwise. Because most of the time these people know very little about whatever culture they're trying to speak for.
It checks out actually, since anti-racists are massive racists, the best example would still be the two principals who literally segregated the students based on their skin color because black kids aren't able to keep up with the white kids.
The two principals were black women, by the way.
I like how they imply that the Japanese, literally an Asian nation, don't know how to properly portray Asian people in the media. As a descendant of the Slavs, I find this incredibly uncomfortable, as if someone from Western Europe is again telling me that I am not European enough because of living in Eastern Europe.
This artist draws women like they are men, and are addicted to yaoi. I think their brain stopped working a while ago.
@@Yayofangamer16 makes it even worse that said person is also asian
or explaining to American not all Romanians are gypsies, or better yet, explaining to American what "Romanian gypsy magic" is.
@@njmfff Roma and Romanian are different groups of people, I think you meant Roma/Romani. Romanians are people from the country of Romania.
@@alexandramusilova8148 You reminded me of that meme that "Europe has its own Georgia."
My brain hurts every time ppl who say theyre not racist, do racist things. Its even crazier when ppl defend said actions.
its because their echo chamber assures them they arent racist, so theyre free to be even more racist and have no guilt over it.
bet all these people put blm in their bio about just how not racist they are while doing the most low key racist crap possible.
Leftist mentality in a nutshell.
Their are some of the most anabashidly racist people I've ever had the displeasure of knowing, but have some how managed to fool the world into thinking its conservatives (who are some of the most respectful and tolerant people I've known) that are the hateful ones?
"Woke" people are some of the most Racist people you will ever meet.
Its simple, to them you cannot be racist unless you have a specific skin color. The dissonance can be justified by saying they are "bigoted" which they view as normal but not racist which they view as vile.
I'm progressive/lefty so that means I can't be racist at all.
-them most likely.
When the americans finally find out that asia isn't just japanese and chinese people
Most of us already know. it’s the shrieking minority on Twitter that can’t comprehend that.
When they find out the diversity in asia can make some not look like the stereotypical asians while still being fully asians. An asian can be pale af or rly dark tone, have silky straight hair or super curly hair, have fully black hair or naturally reddish hair, look petite or curvy, etc etc. It all rly depends on genes and where they're from.
@@tan_2190 Shush dude , ur gonna scare them , they might even find out that middle east has more diversity in it then any netflix series trying to
Even Japanese and Chinese don’t usual born with such wide and small eyes.😂
Japanese and Chinese people have more diverse skin color than Twitter's hive mind
I remember there was once a drama whenever Usagi from Sailor moon is Asian or Caucasian (blond hair blue eyes) and the response from Japanese people was like: the f u talk abt. She's a drawing, idiot.
And thats basically how most people in Japan feel about live action adaptations. Many people in Japan liked Hollywood version of "all you need is kill" (the Hollywood version was called something like edge of tomorrow) and the point is that they don't really care unless you would make a complete mockery of their own culture
man they must not realize that for decades japan liked to draw a lot of characters with strong features from caucasians (mainly chins that stuck out more) regardless of their nationality.
nevermind the "power fantasy" style dominated by Hokuto No Ken where they tended to draw half the men as american 80's action heroes on steroids. (I think Arnold made a big impression)
Japan does what they do. And regardless of if they were influenced by the west a lot at times, it's always been them, their artists, their culture, and their work.
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@@scout360pyroz arnold was even in their old energy drink commercials, speaking of that style i recently read super doctor k, basically black jack and first of the north star combined. the 80s were wild.
Damm, "All you need is kill" manga and film is so fucking good
I don’t know if this is true or not. But I remember reading somewhere that Usagi being blonde with blue eyes, is to make her stand out from the rest, or make her look more ‘special’. I think it was also around the time when those blonde pretty boy characters were becoming insanely popular At the time?
Apparently the reason being that the Blonde and Blue eyes look in Manga and Anime culture was either seen as unique, ethereal and 'beautiful' at the time, or a symbol of delinquency and rebellion.
But all in all, it’s just a design choice. Purely aesthetic.
I think these "fixers" of art are probably some of the most ignorant people when it comes to actual diversity of culture. Their definition of diversity is so narrow it becomes a synonym for stereotypes.
I remember one "fixer" drew a black woman character so stereotypically they made Aunt Jamima look like a feminist, business woman. (Nothing against Auntie personally.)
And whenever they got called out, those art fixers claimed it was 'drawn with their own style'.
Those idiots clearly has no idea about the difference between 'draw this in your style' and 'fixing art'.
It legitimately IS stereotypes a good chunk of the time.
Art fixers be like: ah yes black person in cold climate in a world without easy transport totally possible and totally not racist towards white people
They're the embodiment of that "We celebrate our differences" video.
Ahh, the art version of placing your fingers at the edge of your eyes and pulling them back while saying vaguely asian sounding words.
Yeah, it's like when you get the maximum score in an old video game, and the score goes back to 000,000. They get so anti-racist they become racist again.
Or wearing a whole bunch of cloths on your head and starts screaming "ALLAHU AKBAR" in the middle of public
Oh wait no that's different, you'd get immediately turned into swiss cheese for that
Cant wait for Twitter artists to start redesigning African characters with big red lips and jet black skin while claiming they "finally look like Africans".
@@dragongirl2004 .....already been done. saw it done to korekiyo shinguji from danganronpa for some reason
@@dragongirl2004 even though he isnt African
Usually when people have garbage personalities it's hard to hide since it's all they know how to be
OF COURSE THEY DRAW women like they are men 💀
I bet they have pronouns in their bio and are pornographers.
Addiction to porn really lowers the IQ of a mfer.
They'll make sure you notice.
They usually try to hide those garbage personalities behind pronouns and shoving their sexuality right into people's faces (acting like sexuality is a personality trait). I have yet to meet someone, with pronouns in their bio, that isn't some legit deranged lunatic when in more private chat spaces. They always try to put on that gag inducing "white savior" complex when chatting in more public viewing areas. Though, the Twitter Freaks still tend to leak their absolute garbage lunatic takes into their public mentions.
"btw if you get mad at this you might just be dumb" Classic twitter denial
Classic twitter projection more like.
The fact they said that just shows how dumb they are
Super narcissism to the rescue!
yup, it's also a form of manipulation used to make you believe/agree with something
The term 'de-animefication' made me think of those pictures you see of Simpsons or pokemon but if they were real, and all you get are nightmare fuel abominations.
OF COURSE THEY DRAW women like they are men 💀
They want to make everyone look like Captain Marvel...
*shudders*
yeah or irl people wearing those plastic anime heads. those just look so uncanny its creepy af.
It's like these people cannot comprehend what a CARTOON is.
@@rahn45 which Captain Marvel, the modern comic iteration that looks like Frosk?
Ah the good old "I'm anti-racism!" proceeds to tell a group of people how they should draw themselves
"It is racist to depict asians as anything different from simpsons-colored ww2 propaganda caricatures" holy shit their lack of awareness is almost unmatched
i'm confused that's nothing like what the art looks like?😕/gen
When Sometimes fictional characters look better than real life just saying
I agree with you on that one
When people forget that fictional characters are not meant to mirror real life 1:1
@@elflooffer5196 when twitter:
OF COURSE THEY DRAW women like they are men 💀
I bet they have pronouns in their bio and are pornographers.
Addiction to porn really lowers the IQ of a mfer.
Kinda weird for that one guy who talks about realistic JoJo art to pick Jotaro and Josuke - two characters who are half-white - instead of like a plethora of other Japanese JoJo characters.
Reminded me of one time someone on twitter pointed out to a Japanese artist that the Japanese characters in their Jojo fan arts look "whitewashed" but the weird part is the person referred the Japanese characters as "japs" which is a slur. Kind of ironic to me
@@depthstrider68 Tbf though to that person, I had no idea that Japanese without the -anese was a slur for a really long time and used it to shorten Japanese. Could have just been them not knowing, it’s not a well known slur.
@@depthstrider68 exactly, just like ‘brit’ or ‘cracker’ but sometimes people just don’t care. Or just want to add more words to the magazine of racism.
@@depthstrider68 and also really weird calling the fan arts as whitewashing considering that most of the jojo's cast is made from people of different countries
Aren't very few of the JoJo characters full Japanese? I mean, all the main characters are direct descendants of European guys. Either Johnathan Joestar or Dio Brando's head on a Joestar body right? I THINK Josuke is the least European as his father was half Japanese and his mother was full Japanese. Not sure about Jolene, as I have not actually watched parts 5/6.
I saw this tweet and just immediately muted the person, couldn’t be arsed to deal with Twitter shit
You can't fix stupid.
When they start wording things with "De-anime" and such, it sounds a lot like "cleansing" something unwanted. One can easily describe non-anime depictions of characters with words like "realism", which would describe the modern Resident Evil games, for example. So to invent terms like "De-animefication" when describing the process of reimagining a character in a style that is not anime, it rubs me the wrong way. Sounds like veiled bias and disrespect to the anime art style.
Exactly. Normal people would just describe it as drawing a character in a more realistic style. Only weirdos need to invent a new term that only gets across the point that they think there is something wrong with anime style.
Agree with you on that. As an Asian, as much as I like the new realistic looking models for the RE remakes, they do kinda feel more westernized to me. No realistic looking model for Leon will ever beat the Darkside Chronicles Leon model in my heart. It's a stylized semi-realism cgi which is very distinctly Japanese and which you can see in Japanese produced games and CGI movies like Final Fantasy. Although, I do love Ada and Ashley's model in the remkae, they look great and my favorite among the realistic era of RE.
That was why I was confused too. RE's not even anime to begin with. Street Fighter.... maybe if you compare the 2D and 3D versions, although it wasn't even that de-animefied either
The thing is RE was never anime or I'd say anime-esque in the first place, even more so than other Capcom franchises
Sure it has over-the-top anime moments every so often but it's pretty consistently Western B-movie inspired from the get go
"tell me you don't like anime without tell me you don't like anime" moment
It's almost as if these people are selectively ignoring the reason that anime characters have such large eyes to begin with, it has literally nothing to do with race and is only done to exaggerate the emotions of the characters. They're intentionally made out to look not quite human(unrealistic) so they can express emotions easier. No other medium in the world, even ironically live-action, can depict emotions as well as anime can.
It's hiding these expressive eyes that make moments such as Maes Hughes's funeral and Rimuru standing over Shion's dead body hit so hard.
Yeah, and big eyes are common in other cultures cartoons too, even American.
@@mac0cheese763 no, OP didn't say that it was making it more realistic looking. He said that the thing he was showcasing was "Making asian characters look like asian people" then showed two drawings with the same level of detail, just shaped and colored differently.
If this wasn't a race thing, then why even specify "asian" so heavily?
also, even if what you said was the case, it'd still be worthy of scorn because a certain skin tone, or eyes not shaped like coin slots aren't inherently exaggerated features that need to be made "more realistic" that doesn't even make sense unless you think OP thinks asians with that skin tone, or rounder eyes aren't a thing. Which again loops back around to racism and stereotyping.
I can say right now that Asians don't always look that brown. The depiction looked either SE-Asian or maybe Indian, but it's most likely not the Easterners. Heck, could be a southeast Asian from Chinese descent... except the skin tone would've been lighter, a lot lighter in fact.
See this is why we really shouldn't obsess with fictional character's races *this* much. It is a rabbit hole that will drag you down to endless abyss
@@mac0cheese763 2 things, person in video said they love making anime characters "look like asian people", but the depicted art shows a very narrow kind of Asian, arguably not even the most in count, being a tanned Asian with squinted eyes is not as common at all as being "fair skinned" and squinted, as you ironically say, it's just a stereotyped depiction of asians, the "lilo stichian Asian archetype" is not what people like even han Chinese are, secondly person in video seems to think that anime characters are a race, specifically oriented towards Asians, which nobody making them actually thinks, or she just loves randomly making Asian made characters look "Asian", which is a strange fetish, as if I thought I needed to make all characters made by black people need to stereotypically look black...
@@mac0cheese763 not really, only point you might have touched upon was you saying people are reaching when they want her to say east Asian instead of Asian, but that's kind of a straw man like reply, if I take it as a reply to me saying how inaccurate her depiction of Asian is, If a person wants to correct something they correct it the best they can, not to the approximate this "uh east Asians are close to Asians guys" thing, seems you're unreasonabley charitable to this person, like she didn't even say "east Asian is a closer look to Asians than anime, guys", she just depicted what she thinks is Asian... Do you actually have proof that that is what she thinks? Otherwise we take her at her own words, rather than this unproven charity you're doing.
- Claims it's annoying how anime characters look like anime characters but don't look realistic enough to have and present racial features.
(Very RACE focused for who claims to not be a racist 🤔)
- Doodles their own depiction of an anime character. It's not anime anymore.
- It's basically an asian caricature doodle, representing one of the...5 or 6 different "asian" races mentioned.
- can't handle the fallout, closes the thread claiming racists are flooding the thread.
... 🤯
Imagine calling Asians "RACIST" just because they're telling you that Asian people all don't look the same.
let me see.
Indians 1
Pakistani 2
SEA 3
East Asians 4
Polynesians 5
Slavs (the ones that is on an asia side) 6
@@vehicleunhandler Geographically Polynesians are in the Oceania region.
If we are simply defining "Asian" as peoples found in the Asian continent then the grouping geographically would be:
East Asian (Japan, China, Korea, Mongolia)
South East Asian (Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia to name a few)
Southern Asian (Pakistan, India, Bangladesh to name a few)
Central Asian (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan to name a few)
Middle East Asians (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan to name a few)
Northern Asians (Asian part of Russia, Siberia)
Of course, there are more countries in each geographical region. Source: I'm asian, trust me. lol
His the type of person that would say that majin buu is an asian stereotype for having his eyes clossed
@@aleistere yes.
i am from thai and i can really confirm.
Twitter trying not to be racist? *me laughing out loud*
IRL mf: easy mode.
Twitter: IMPOSSIBLE.
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Yeah, pretty much
OF COURSE THEY DRAW women like they are men 💀
I bet they have pronouns in their bio and are pornographers.
Addiction to porn really lowers the IQ of a mfer.
As a Chinese, I hate the "de-anime" thing.
Those narrow eyes faces are more common in the northern part of Asia. Seeing how Western media love to stick to the stereotype and portray Asian like that and only that actually make me sick. Even Southern Chinese looks different to the stereotype.
Indians, SEAsians look more different to the stereotype too.
I've seen a lot of Asians that can easily pass as white or black. Sucks how twitter still thinks we're all the same
I like how people just say “yeah anime is racist because the characters don’t look Asian” when anime is literally made in Japan. That art style is how they want to portray their characters and that’s great!
It’s fine to draw them in your own style but don’t act like your style is better than that of anime.
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The traditional anime style was popularized by Tezuka who said he based it around what Disney was doing around the same time with heavy inspiration. That’s literally it. Disney did do some giant eyed expressive characters. That’s the main reason cartoons tend to be more expressive than real people and why the remakes Disney does with real actors aren’t as good as the originals. It’s almost like cartoons and animation allow for more creative flexibility and by trying to limit yourself to “realism” you end up losing a lot of the charm that works better in animation.
finally a comment who said it
Said beautifully omg
"How do you fight racism ?
- By being racist ?
- Ok I'm out."
Really hard to beat something that people believe in for hundreds of years, despite there being no actual scientific backing for the concept of Race in humans.
What people classify for "Race" is really just arguing over how much melatonin is in their skin based on what region of the planet they live in.
The worst racists I see are usually these online social crusaders... It's especially hilarious when they assume someone they disagree with is white, only to discover they aren't.
Welcome to amerification. Make every topic political and every issue about race.
@@yaldabaoth2 colonization?
"NOOO WAIT please check out my commissionsssss 😩😩😩😩😩"
It's like Twitter is incapable of understanding what a CARTOON is. It's not SUPPOSED to look completely realistic. It's an ART STYLE.
It reminds me of people who take Simpsons or SpongeBob characters and Photoshop them to be hyper realistic. It destroys the original simplistic and memorable style the og creator had in mind.
Ikr, like if you make anime realistic, then it wouldnt exist at all LMAOO even int heir example, its not fanart because the character was depicted with purple hair and purple eyes, but theirs had black hair and brown eyes.. these mfs make no sense sometimes
except making Simpsons and SpongeBob charas realistic is just done for fun in a “what if” situation. While people like these, are actually serious about thinking that they need to make anime more realistic for some reason.
Like I don’t see anyone complaining that Rick and Morty or phinies and ferb are unrealistic and they should make them look more “American”
This is even worse, it's a racist stereotype of Asian people
Okay but that one realistic Bart Simpson image is probably my fave image in the entirity of the interweb because of how goofy it looks
Sorry but, when the hell has any Resi game been stylistically anime? Even the old games tried their best to render the characters as real people as they realistically could on the Playstation in the cinematics.
I wondered that too. Did they found some fanart and mistook it for an official post? Or did they just spit that nonesense because RE series are created by JP devs?
I also find it odd that they picked Ada Wongs photo like her being Asian makes their point.
Resident Evil has side games that uses an anime style but none of the games we've seen have been in that style. I had to look at resident evil wiki character galleries just to find them. I don't even think they're available outside of Japan
I think it's with the older remastered games and other supplementary games of RE like The Darkside Chronicles, as well as the CGI movies like Degeneration and Damnation They kinda went with the semi-realistic anime 3D styles there with the models which looked reminiscent of Final Fantasy characters and other Japanese 3D CGI movies. But even with that "animefication", western characters like Leon, Claire and Chris still looked western enough and Asian characters like Ada looked Asian. It's just a bit stylized. Japanese produced games and cgi movies have, this semi-realistic style that is very distinct and a bit inspired by anime. It's very different with Western style CGI which is more gritty.
@@key5270 I enjoy the semi realistic style. As much as I enjoy realistic Leon - who wouldn't lol - realistic graphics is hurting gameplay. Plus it ages by next year
Not all Asians, especially Japanese, have darker skin and monolids. I'm Japanese and we (my family) range from pale to dark skin and have double-eyelids. Not to mention other Asians like Indian and Filipino have different appearances.
Most southeast and South asians have double lid
"if you get mad at this you might just be dumb sorry" Is such a clear sign this person is incredibly close-minded and egotistical. Tragic
Chun-Li is asian?! NO WAY!!!
It's not like her clothes, name, fighting style, stage or bgm tell you anything
Yup only the eyes matter
This situation could be avoided altogether if the artist just said "here's this character drawn in my style"
Americans when they realize theres more asians then just japanese, chinese and korean:
Don't let Twitter lump us all together, there's still a large percentage of us who spend our time elsewhere and not on that idiotic cesspool.
Nah just Twitter and chronically online peeps
And you are one of those individuals on the internet who think all us Americans are a monolith. Don't generalize mkay?
That's so racist.... how do people think this is ok?
It's (D)ifferent when they do it.
ngl as one of SEA people, we all claims to be racist as a joke but majorly respect each other even tho we did little trolling too sometime lol
however when it's related to this stuff, we all unite to hate people with no brain juice when they stated they're not racist but being raciest person in the world
we like trolling
yes i am from thailand.
also wtf is even that art
bro my eyes are not like that except when i wanted to sleep.
southeast asia is the more tame version of the balkans
@@agreenplasticwateringcan yes.
trsut me.
The fan art doesn't even look like my eyes. They probably watch those cartoon with an "asian" character on it and decided it's us
@@agreenplasticwateringcan as someone who had a beef with an Indonesian, they are brutes
Obviously to "de-anime" an anime character you give the character giant yellow buck teeth, jaundiced yellow skin, make the eyes two singular lines, and have the character say "OH HERRO"
I'd do it. Just for the lulz, you know. Like kicking a hornet's nest.
As a Pakistani anime fan myself this is absolutely rude kind sir.
Referring to the op not you hei LMAO
i like the cats thing. frankly, the way anime is, its done in a way that most people can imprint onto it. it works. and frankly, unless a story requires race to be nessesary as a legitmiate story element then whats the point? whole argument is dumb
The cat thing made me crack up. The fact that we can't totally tell if it's a meme or not tells you there's at least an element of truth to it. Optimised for cute appeal.
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Figures that someone named Eugene would have such a bad take.
Mf thing his a gene
I don't remember the resident evil characters looking like anime at all. These people are hallucinating.
Does Twitter Colonizers not realize that most people like 2D over 3D because it's a preference? For some it's an escape, for me, I just like the style of 2D art because there's no uncanny valley that will make me scream in terror every time I see it.
Challenge impossible to do for Twitter 😂
Anime comes from japan which is east asia. Most east asians are pale skinned therefore most of the characters in anime that depict real life would have pale skinned characters. south east asian people are a little bit darker as they live closer to the equator while west asians like india and pakistan are brown or dark skinned.
Indian subcontinent is in South Asia not West Asia. West Asia would be
the Middle East
@@ziarahman3406 yup you are right it is south Asia my mistake.
Beyond Omega Level Impossible difficulty.
I misunderstood that tweet so hard
I thought they were just saying they didn’t like the anime style and just liked the other style more
I am slow
I think that's actually what they meant.
In which case, they should've just outright said they dislike the anime style. Nothing wrong with that.
Instead they made it into a social justice issue.
@@chynaanderson494yea I thought they just wanted to change the anime artstyle to a more realistic looking one. And not that they meant "Japanese artists can't draw Japanese/Asian people.
I still believe it's the former.
@@chynaanderson494 BRUHH what are you even talking about bro. OP never made any political or social justice statement when they said they liked fanart where anime characters are depicted more realistically. Why does this entire comment section think this tweet is making some sort of stand against how exaggerated anime characters look when its painfully obvious after just one read that that is not the case.
@@chynaanderson494 I dont think they dislike the anime style. They seemed to just be talking about fan art. I can see the appeal of drawing cartoon or anime characters more realistic. Its happened for years but people on Twitter for some reason can't take time to think about what a person is really talking about. They saw an easy target and started shooting
@@mac0cheese763 because most people don't read or think. Most people in this comment section just heard "look hot take. Racist sjw. Dum dum dum". It's like these people can't form their own opinion or disagree with someone they really like. You know what's gonna happen if I disagree with Hero Hei? Nothing. He's just a guy and and anyone can be mistaken, or maybe he's just stoking the flames, he doesn't lose anything pushing bad ideas.
3:44 gonna go with this ones take, however the modern concept of representation also annoys the heck out of me constantly. I especially am sick of people priming others to believe that if somehow someone who doesn't physically look like them isn't around in a piece of content, then somehow the content is denying them the ability to enjoy it, and they must screech for it to feel "included". I grew up never being drawn to needing to see someone looking like me and it wasn't in my media, because I didn't require skin deep stuff like that and connected with the characters and emotive points instead. I hate the press of changing characters that already existed to give people this even more. it's utterly lazy but people keep taking it and acting like it's amazing it's happening, like they are overjoyed for accepting what from their perspective should be table scraps. meanwhile content from people that im told would despise me because they wrote stuff that light a fire in my imagination.
If people want this so much, why not "represent" cultural stories instead that haven't gotten that limelight, and do those proper justice- oh wait, one of the last ones of those i found out about completely mistold the story, and i was called an -ist for not wanting to support the blatant lie.
Try not to get heart from Hero Hei challenge, let’s go!
Have they thought that maybe the Japanese want their characters to look like that? Gee, it's almost like, it's escapism.
What group of Asian people? Asia's a continent, a collection of countrys. So all those people don't look the same and certainly don't match how that fanart portrays
But it's greatly lumped together. There is a 3-part series on youtube done by people from the "supposedly" represented countries in Raya and the last dragon
@@serkandevel7828 yeah, that's why it's a continent. Btw I know I've get relatives there and I'm technically part asia but I'd be lying if I said I was well versed in the culture. So if you could link that series I'd appreciate it
When twitter user claims to be reeecist but acts like one
I'm Asian and I don't have slanted eyes.
Drawing Asians in a way that represents them only with slanted eyes is both an insult to the one who have slanted eyes and just normal looking eye shape.
This thinking is a product of racism the people who does this is racist.
It's just sad but Asian are not as important to them, we are just being used as facts to the arguments and it all ends there with a very shallow stance.
OF COURSE THEY DRAW women like they are men 💀
I bet they have pronouns in their bio.
@@Yayofangamer16 Yea, they do
Like I say take away women rights
At least it's not anti-trans wojaks, right?
@@BlooMonkiMan Speak like a human being first
The Anime cat style is something that is in line with my own headcannon.
Since Anime was derived from mimicking older American cartoons depicting larger eyes and easier to read emotive expressions. At the time American cartoons often anthropomorphize animal characters, so to me modern Anime is just the literal evolution of catgirls descendant from their original roots.
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Yeah, no. Miao is pretty accurate there.
If you take anime character sand draw 'fanart' of them but just make them look like an average, stereotypical, almond-shape eyed person with black hair and more realistic features...that's not even fanart at that point. And it IS in fact, for once, problematic. (Based asian Twitter is lovely.)
If the character has purple hair and big, bright yellow eyes with canine teeth. You are NOT drawing fanart if you make it an average looking, semi-realistic, stereotyped asian person with brown eyes and black hair in your drawing.
That's referencing at best. But not fanart (unless you draw the clothes right...and who tf draw fanart for clothes?).
Western Twitter should really stop trying to correct art and tell others how to 'do things right'.
( As a sidenote for western Twitter of THIS kind: You people can hardly function as a normal human, what with not being able to throw out insults or hottakes and not being able to take the critique or well deserved hate you get for it. So, stop trying to tell others what to do. That's so embarrassing really. Tho it IS quite funny to see how dumb you are while pretending to be better than everyone else. )
Not all Asians look like Jackie Chan. The anime design is at least abstract enough that a character can be interpreted as any East Asian, Caucasians, North African, etc. The fanart design in the image doesn't have that luxury.
Twitter try not to be an edge lord for 0.02 seconds challenge (literally impossible)
That one person with the Chun Li pic wasn't actually calling all anime featureless blobs. They pointed out that people think that you have 2 kinds of art, featureless blobs or racist caricatures. And I agree, some people do think like that.
this all can be summed down to
"make anime look like american cartoons"
FAKE PEOPLE NOT LOOKING LIKE REAL PEOPLE OH MY
Fictional characters not looking realistic the horror.
they really cant leave anime alone....
Might get some heat for this, and I want to preface this by saying I love anime.
But my one criticism is in the cases where you have stories that include and portray many different cultures and ethnicities it can be difficult to really tell who is from where.
I just finished Kengan Ashura and started Kengan Omega, its a great show but the foreign fighters from England, France, German, and other more pale cultures look like they could also be from Japan and vise versa, its really only the darker skinned characters that look like they are really from another part of the world.
WITH THAT SAID!!!!! Its the art style and an asian one at that, so I don't think its a good idea to lecture them on who to draw their characters
i think the take that Western viewers are telling Asian creators that their characters don't look Asian enough is a pretty good summation of the problem.
Honestly I like the idea of adding diversity to art, like creating darker shades for asian characters instead of constantly having the pale skin, I like seeing people portrayed as well as possible, from whatever race or culture or heritage they might be from. Ppl suck sometimes tho
Her "anime " art doesn't look very anime to me, also the "asian look" is most of the time "han ethnicity look"
1:14 I love how they picked two Jojo characters who are very specifically only half Japanese. Like, Jotaro is 1/4 British/American, 1/4 Italian and Josuke is 1/2 British/American. So they kinda are, to use this person's stupid term, "straight up white." At least half, anyway.
Seriously, they literally could have picked any other character from Part 4 to be used as an example of a Japanese Jojo character in their stupid argument but decided to use the only two characters that aren't even fully Japanese.
Though that doesn't even matter, because simply drawing an anime character how they look in said anime isn't drawing them "white," it's called being accurate to the source material.
I'm not very big into anime, but I have seen a lot of Dragonball Z and saw all of Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. There really is some kind of a mishmash of ethnic markers in some characters. Goku and Vegeta look Japanese to me, as does Mustang and Kimly. Other characters look White, like Hughes and Armstrong. Female characters are usually harder to distinguish, because I think the ideal female for both white and Asians has those big "doe" eyes. Not always though. Lust definitely looks like an Asian female, but Winry not easy to decipher. I do think Winry is White. But the big doe eye thing is also used to portray innocence, and that's why they can get away with making Lust still very attractive, but with more discernable Asian features, since she's not an innocent character.
huh, curious that you mention those because Dragon Ball Z and Fullmetal Alchemist have pretty stylized art, at least in terms of face features. I'm also curious as to what exactly do you define as "asian" and "white" markers because, first of, Goku and Vegeta are aliens. Second, you could say most of the characters in FMA are german, or at least an equivalent. And they do have Chinese characters in there too! Funny enough, Ling Yao does have the "slit eyes", but so does Brock from Pokemon and Ichimaru Gin from Bleach, so it's more the "when the closed eyes character opens them" trope than anything. Meanwhile, Lan Fan and Mei Cheng have very round eyes. And if you follow the german analogy, the people of Ishval would be jewish, or at least another group from the middle east.
To me, the eyes are a good indicator of the personality of the character in question. Round and big eyes show purity, naivety, innocence, and a cheerful nature. Point in case Mei and Winry. Make them a little droopier and the character looks more melancholic. Make them dull and with half eyelids and the character looks more serene, monotone and/or emotionless. Sharper eyes could indicate a devious nature, like in Lust's case where her eyes point to her sultry personality. For Mustang, the sharp eyes indicate his serious attitude (most of the time). Square-ish eyes like Edward's usually go for energetic and youthful characters. You find that in many other anime character with similar personalities like Natsu, Shinra and Asta.
Point being, DBZ and FMA are pretty good in differing their characters based on where they come from, but usually that comes in the form of clothes and behaviors. On the other hand, the average Highschool SoL will show off a girl that looks like any other but she has blue eyes and is blonde and boom! generally "European" exchange student
@@sparking023 "I'm also curious as to what exactly do you define as "asian" and "white""
As a general rule, I think white features tend to be more square faced. The WB animated "blocky" style animated films (like all the different Batmans) usually capture those features well. And the eyes tend to not necessarily be larger, but they are usually straight horizontal, or slanted slightly upward. Asian eyes tend to be slanted slightly downwards, but not always (slant is only a small marker of eye ethnicity). And Asian faces tend to be rounder in a general sense as well (but also not the only marker of a face). There are people with eyes slanted very downward, but still look white, and others who have eyes slanted upward, but still look Asian.
At the end of the day, my generalizations are only meant to make it a bit easier to discuss the animated portrayals a bit easier, and not meant to categorize everything and everyone (that's a much harder job).
So with that said: Animated styles tend to be like artificial flavors. A watermelon probably has 60+ chemicals that give it its unique taste, but 5 of them are very prominent, and make up 80% of the flavor. So a company will stick those 5 flavors in a candy and BOOM! it tastes like watermelon.....................but not quite. Lemon is probably the easiest to nail, because real lemon probably has 90% citric acid, and that means you literally need to stick only Citric Acid in your candy, and it tastes like lemon. Guava would not be as easy to replicate.
With animated characters, I would say the same is true: Goku and Vegeta have eyes that slant downward, they have heads are are more round, especially at the forehead, and their hairstyle is also typically associated with an Asian hairstyle. So I would say they are "Asian" looking. But Goku "could" be interpreted as White if you really wanted to. The fact that they are "aliens" doesn't matter. That's almost incidental. Does Superman look "Alien"? Or does he look like a White guy?
FMA can certainly be alluded to a "German" country, while Ling Yao is from a "Chinese Dynasty" country. Wrath certainly has a very "German" look to him, as does Armstrong. They have those "square/angular" faces associated with White characters. Hughes still has White features, but softer, so he's probably more of a "British/Scottish" type.
Women are harder to pinpoint. Is Winry white? I bet if you asked fans in the US, they would say yes, and if you asked fans in Japan, they would say she's Japanese. Lan Fan I think is a bit easier: She has the rounder face, and the button nose (also associated with Asian women). But for female characters, it's not so easy to just say they are White or East Asian. Is Hawkeye White or Asian? Is Maria Ross White or Asian?
Where they run into a problem, is that, I believe it just so happens that some East Asian features make a drawing of a female character look more "feminine", and by proxy "cuter". Mira Armstrong is clearly not Asian, and her eyes do have a bit of a slant downward. But the other facial features are more angular, and the nose is larger, so she still looks female, but not "feminine", which was the point of her character.
"Point being, DBZ and FMA are pretty good in differing their characters based on where they come from, but usually that comes in the form of clothes and behaviors."
I do think there's a bit more than just the clothes, as stated above, but yet, you are right that probably 60% of it is everything other than the face. Mei has the hairstyle and clothing typically associated with Chinese traditions, and she has a small panda for a pet.
The modern day style of animation actually is NOT asian. Osamu Tezuka was a die-hard Disney fan who invented his signature art style by emulating Bambi. True story
That's like saying all Indo-European languages, from Hindi to Spanish and everything in between, are from Ukraine and southwestern Russia.
When 'westoid' is no longer a derogatory word but an accurate adjective.
...and yet they get mad when a character is drawn "racially" correct but it isn't the stereotype norm that they associate with, like hispanics always having to be drawn tanned. I'm just convinced these people generally don't make an effort to learn from their mistakes.
Reminds me of one of those people who says a female character is not drawn realistically enough and then proceeds to create a fat hairy arm snub nose freckle goblin caricature of said character.
Jin Roh did a fantastic job of making the Japanese characters resemble actual Japanese people while maintaining a consistent anime-esque animation style. It’s a fine compromise between generic coomer bait anime and inane “de-animification” of Asian characters.
I’d like him to draw the Chinese math team, then the American math team.
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Yeah, tbh I really don't understand why everyone is upset at the original tweeter. They never bashed the anime style or anything, they just thought it was cool to see them more realistic.
It's always funny when these people draw PoC in a way that looks ugly and call it "realistic". Like bruhh, talk about a self report lmao
I don't really see where the OP went wrong with their initial post. They were basically just saying they personally like seeing fanart of anime characters that leans more towards realism. The post didn't seem like it was shitting on anime itself at all. I feel like they just worded their opinion very poorly.
It's moreso some of the reply posts that seem in bad taste to me.
I guess what made people interpret it as racist would be the use of the word “Asian”; in that post op was talking about Japanese-implied anime characters yet they used the word Asian, which isn’t 100% wrong since Japan is part of Asia, but it still disregards the fact that not all Asian people are Japanese and look like your average japanese person. I do think that op should have worded themselves better but I also think that people in the replies shouldn’t have been as harsh and instead inform op on why they’re wrong.
I’d say people interpreted the post as “I hate when Japanese characters made by Japanese people don’t look realistically Japanese” which yes, would be quite wrong and racist, but by what I understood op was saying “I like it when fanartists keep in mind the ethnicity of an anime character and draw them more realistically” which in my opinion is fair (especially thinking of a more realistic artist, imagine them drawing a bunch of different characters from different medias and of different ethnicities, and then drawing a Japanese anime character in an anime style, it would look weird and wrong…)
I see this as your classic "realistic fanart" (drawing cartoon characters as if they were real), nothing wrong with that. But the tweet comes off slightly... uhm, pretentious. And as the first tweet pointed out, this specific fanart was just an stereotype.
I know, you like drawings that look semi-realistic... Couldn't the second example shown be closer to the first one? As if pale skin is now unrealistic, smh.
That, and saying anime isn't "asian" because lot of the time the stylized, cute drawings don't show specific features. I mean, basing it off that, all other cartoons around the world that depict characters with big eyes and weird anatomy is also bad rep.
This reminds ms of those WW2 caricatures
My biggest issue with fan arts is when they change drastically some of the features of the character, more specifically, skin
If you just change the skin for the lighting and the environment I get it, but sometimes they will make a black characters so white/pink and a white characters almost black, I hate it
Twitter can't you not be ras-cist, for FIVE MINUTES! 😂😂
Twitter:……………………I CANT DO IT!!
I disagree. Anime does look japanese. If you see the way these artist design and show off western characters. There are some artist who do showoff the facial differences between westerners and japanese people. Also there is nothing wrong with anime art design. Plus how in the world does anything Capcom, outside of stuff like Ace Attorney, look like anime in the slightest. Square Enix is similar where Final Fantasy hasn't ever looked like anime at all. Poeple are just hating on Japanese character design. Many things are done to make their characters stand out more. Plus they fail to realize many Japanese art had heavy disney influence in the early years but that has changed a ton
itis THEIR artlol.
All these takes from people basically saying "I know what this race should look like and they look like this!" need to go out and actually see the races they are "representing", then maybe they will see that features such as skin tone, eyes, hair, and so on are not how they once were. We live in a world where people are a mixed bag of races, people aren't born with the stereotypical skin tones that used to be the norm for certain parts of the world, some kids have their hair color change part way through life (Don't quote me on this but this happened to myself, my younger brother and my older brother, we were all born blonde and then our hair changed to brunette as we got older), etc. So many things impact how we look and over the years they've changed greatly, so for anyone to go "This is how that race looks" is a huge racist flag in my mind because though people are part of a race they are still individuals who have their own looks, so trying to sweep them all until one look just feels like the greatest insult anyone could inflict on someone.
For real. They need to actually go to Asia for once. Not everyone looks like a stereotype. Many people actually have light skin and bigger eyes. Among many other attributes.
Wow almost like all the art that people make for review personas don't look anything like them. So should all art be realistic now and we have to segregate what race people can draw base on their race?
I'm 90% sure that the anime art style was mostly inspired by Betty Boop. She looks like a proto-anime character, was very popular among the American servicemen occupying Japan after WWII, and even started out with dog ears. People say anime was based on Disney cartoons, but those were not nearly as common in Japan in 1952 when Astro Boy was first published, and the only ones that had a human character that looked anything like an anime character were _Snow White_ (1937) and _Alice in Wonderland_ (1951). _Alice_ probably hadn't even made it to Japan by 1952, and hadn't even come out in the U.S. when Osamu Tezuka started making Astro Boy.
But even if the art was inspired by Boop, Astro Boy is not a white person, and the anime style is based on him.
As long as people don't advertise their own fanart as being objectively better than or morally superior to the original, it's harmless.
Person:” I’m not racist “
Also person: “ I fixed your art so it would be more inclusive to black people”
The fixed art: has all the stereotypes of black people
Honestly while I believe it’s fun in trying out drawing characters in different styles. I dislike how pompous and uppity these art fixers get and treat as if only their version matters. And that if you dare express criticism or a different opinion or dislike to it, then they get all childish and claim YOU are the problem.
From the perspective of a southeast-asian. Most Asian people living in their respective countries is Tribal and or Nationalist as all heck.
Just in the Philippines we discriminate against each others tribes but in the essence of competitiveness and friendly chiding rather than being exclusionary and hateful.
We compete with our neighbors in neighborhood level contest, we support the winner when they represent us in a city/municipality contest, being competitive and borderline agrresive with the audience from the other parts of the city. And then when a representative wins, we support them and the target of the aggression is the crowd from other cities and so on.
Filipinos like the competitive spirit and win or loose we support the victor and encourage those that lost in the various qualifiers. We might find some tribal practices of our fellow countrymen odd or even off-putting but when difficulties arise, we are still neighbors.
Anyway on to art, draw it the way the artist wants, draw it the way you want draw it in a still from a different franchise, it's all good.
As long as you don't push your personal preference as "the only correct choice/style" I don't see a problem.
Art is Art and let us all enjoy it.
Artist: heres my art work
Twitter: Let me fix that for you real quick
In all honesty I don't think that op's rendition was a racist stereotype at all. In her example she wanted to depict a Japanese person because most anime characters are canonically Japanese. There's a reason why you can tell who's east Asian and who's not generally speaking. vs I think it's nice to see people want to show of a diversity of different ethnic features to represent all the different people in the world. But that's all the nice things I have to say about this person. I think it is very ignorant of them to say that the anime-style is inherently problematic because it doesn't accurately represent Japanese people. Tons of western cartoons portray all kinds of funky proportions that aren't true to life, and the biggest issue here is that people are telling actual Asian people how to draw themselves. Disgusting.
Peeps be so scared of being labeled as racist they panic and do something racist anyway.
Posts horrible take, gets called out, says the post reached the wrong audience, doesn't take the blame, doesn't give an apology, adds shameless plug. Classic Twitter😂
I always wonder what’s up with this wierd trend where artists who are like this have the audacity to promote their work at the end.
So you’re just going to stir drama, act snobbish, play the victim and back-out when things don’t go your way. Then come back all in one go with your UwU
"I swear I'm not racist"
_lights cross on lawn_
May I remind you westerners out there that Asia has a total of 51 countries each with their own cultures and caricatures other then just the stereotypical Chinese/Japanese with bright skin and small eyes.
I like semirealistic depictions of stylized characters from anime/manga. But, please, keep the features (attire, hairdo, skin color, eye color, hair color, etc.) so people can recognize them. Changing them to how they would with real-life features kind of defeats the purpose of semi-realism? *That, and ending up getting a backlash from the people this artist was trying to represent.* :/
Again, I love semirealism in fanart. *But keep the damn features!*
Like those comics with a very realistic art style?
It looks like something
even at its most charitable interpretation, no racisms involved at all, every time an artist tries to draw cartoon characters in a 'realistic' style, especially if they're anime, it looks like boiled shit every single time.
Tell me you're racist without telling me you're racist.
The beauty of anime characters is that they don't look like any race and anyone can identify with any character. It's generally considered that the less features a character has, the more people it can represent, so both a white person and a light skinned Asian person can look at a character like Sailor Moon and relate to her, but not many people can look at Joseph Joestar (old version) and relate to him.
But then you fall into the problem of them looking all the same.
So, like animations in general
Dude, Joseph Joestar is awesome and I am not an old man. I have related to characters that look nothing like me.
How did no one bring up the original RE opening with the real actors?