TF2: Soldier Has A Secretly Broken Combo...
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Holy shit I am stupid
hey it’s their fault for not putting any spaces in their name
@@elmaxoTF2 the max
@@elmaxoTF2 lol
@@elmaxoTF2 you are playing the liberty launcher the way it was designed, and just saying, this is why the reserve shooter is in the same set
Edit: this did make me wanna get the whole set tho
The liberty launcher does have an upside in this loadout compared to stock, swapping between weapons rapidly makes it easy to run out of ammo, the liberty launcher has one (1) extra rocket.
The issue is that it still does the damage of 4 rockets.
What this means is you're dealing less damage less quickly and in turn end up firing more rockets.
In a combo like this the Air Strike getting up to 8 rockets with a smaller damage penalty is better.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 think of it like this, this works really well with the panic attack as it has a faster switch speed the same as the rocket launcher the only downside of ths weapon is it's damage but because it has one more rocket you can combo more with the normal rocket launcher it would deploy slower and you would combo less the rockets are also unusual as they are faster than normal stock rockets but slower than the direct hit so this really throws off the airblast of the pyro with the shotgun you counter him it also deals less self damage when rocket jumping so it's like mini gunboats it's a combo weapon and you saw the damage it deals when used with the panic attack basically getting over it's big downside of less damage in all other aspects it's better than stock
@@Buglin_Burger7878 I fully agree, there is one minor issue, getting a kill with the shotgun instead of the rocket won't put an extra rocket in the clip, but that's easy to work around.
Swapping weapons would only increase the time between shots, which would make you run out of ammo slower. I don't see how this strat makes it any easier to run of ammo, it's not like you'd be reloading any Rockets midfight while you're swapping.
@@ziggle5000 Yeah that ones on me, "run out of ammo" as in not have any currently loaded ammo, and needing to reload/switch to melee.
I think several factors go into helping this combo out. The extra rocket really helps you sustain 1v1 fights for longer which is great when paired with a secondary helping deal damage, the faster projectile speed helps you hit directs way more often compared to stock, it obviously ruins a Pyro's day, and the lower damage decreases knockback which actually helps you since you don't have to move your crosshair nearly as much to account for the enemy being bopped around, making for fast and snappy combos. So even though the stock does more damage and the Reserve Shooter does extra damage to airborne enemies, this combo is still consistent, and probably better than the stock with the Panic Attack because of the sustainability, or the Liberty Launcher with the Reserve Shooter because of the reduced knockback and faster switches. When I made my Liberty Launcher video, I noticed how you could do quick 1-2 punches with the Liberty Launcher and Panic Attack which felt really satisfying, but I hadn't played Doom Eternal yet, so my brain hadn't really figured out quick switching.
So, revised video when?
ah, now i understand the combo loads more now!
As a juicy extra, rocket jumps deals less damage to yourself
extra rocket literally does nothing
only slows down your damage
@@LazyBuddyBan damage < ammo to spam make me feel gud
I feel like the liberty launcher should have a bit of weapon switch speed on top of what it has, because all the items in its set are combo tools, and it'd make this combo a tad bit more broken.
Oh your right! The Reserve Shooter and the last weapon of the airborne armaments was... The Market Garden! Both involve switching weapons to do devastating dps! I agree. But maybe put it at like, 10%? Dunno.
@@alargeredlizard3003 exactly what I was thinking lmao. Great minds think alike.
@@TiredLowBrass8048 coincidence? I think not!
Liberty launcher also looks really slim so it should be atleast 15% faster to change to it
Oh gosh I fear this idea
"Soldier has a broken combo"
Yeah, it's called a Cow Mangler charged shot kill and The Schaudenfreude immediately afterwards
true. if I got killed by a cow mangler charged shot I would definitely uninstall the game. the laugh would also send me into a deep depression
@@adamlmao6893 Exactly. Charged shot kill + Schaudenfreude = -20% sanity to your opponent
genuinely lol'd
@@Leeloo_the_fox Even better on Hightower. You just send it all the way across from your spawn door and wait for the killfeed.
@@Tumbleflopbro got into phasmophobia terminology
as a pyro main, I am scared, the combo soldier is finally public knowledge.
that means more people will use liberty launcher, you know how to airblast stock and direct hit rockets becuase people use the launchers a lot, but not many pyros can easily airblast the liberty launcher, because almost nobody uses it, then because of that you'll airblast all rockets, it works
imagine if they start using this with direct hit
@@egekahraman8985
that's exactly what I'm scared of
Even more fearful is the recently popularized engineer tech with short-circuit jumping which rivals FoN and flare gun jumps.
Be scared pyro be scared
But this shit is old and it was like this since the tough break update and only old timers know about this
Valve actually has balanced the game perfectly, we just haven't discovered that yet.
Looking forward to the broken sun on a stick loadout video
Once we find a weird glitch that causes both jarate and milk to cause enemies to spontaneously afterburn.
Shit we're back to square one.
Jarate + shiv is kinda busted
I remember 1 pyro doing w+m1 while a scout ran literally inside the fire with the sun-on-a-stick and they killed the entire team
Go on medieval mode and have a friendly pyro use the sharpened volcano frag
@@Goldenleyend o-o
It's genuinely blowing my mind that this is a legitimate combo
for me atleast, the libbylauncher was NEVER meant to be a primary (same with the degreaser), it was supposed to be a combo-centric weapon (like the degreaser), which is best used with a secondary together, preferably a shotgun (just like the degreaser)(also hence the itemset {see also: The Airborne Armaments} having a combo-centric shotgun)
(the difference between a secondary shotgun vs a combocentric shotgun is that the secondary is used as a backup, but the combocentric one is used as a primary {See also: Demoman having "2 primaries"}.)
tldr: libby never was good for standalone, but strong with a combotype playstyle. (like the sodapop+fan, degreas+axting/flare, dragonsfury+scorch, oldsandman+oldcleaver, cleaver+wrapassassin)
It's really fun. It's probably the reason why I have a thousand kills on my Liberty Launcher
@@Ludwig_Perpenhente wow
@@AnnaSue81 is sodapop+ fan fan O war?
@@aSmallGreenDot ya
this combo seems to do more DPS in a few seconds compared to a basic soldier, it also means you'd farm more crits with it
i used original + panic attack and it gave me a lot of crit kills compared to before
i think i found a new favorite loadout (with whip included)
LMFAO
@@taureon_ whip or escape plan are basically required melees, every other melee except in some specific situations zatoichi is useless, unless you are a trolldier and then market gardener too
@@user-kt3jk1vq9o Don't even have to trolldier to market garden, just have to be good at rocket jumping and recognize a good pick. Especially if you see a good high ground position and an enemies already there, a market garden can help you just win the fight before you start one
This video portrays not the weakness of the liberty launcher, but the strength of the panic attack.
but the liberty launcher makes it shine sure it's really good on it's own but this combo is really good
The low clip size of the Reverse Shooter is nullified by the extra rocket of the ol' Liberty Launcher.
The low damage of the Liberty Launcher is nullified by the extra damage of the Reserve Shooter.
It's a dynamic duo of combos that only the enlightened have figured out.
I'd actually figured out this combo in MGE myself like a week ago, although I used stock instead of the liberty launcher. I think the liberty launcher could honestly become a mainstay for this kind of playstyle if they gave it a small tweak... of 20% faster deploy speed.
My hot take is that it should receive like 20% faster reload speed. That would be actually useful, since you will reload a full clip almost as fast as Stock does (Unlike now where you take 0.8 seconds longer to get the equivalent amount of damage in your clip). This would still keep LL's DPS below stock when not reloading, which I think is an important aspect of the weapon, but it would mean that LL will have a solid chance to actually be able to keep you in extended fights longer than stock, unlike now where you empty your tank as fast as stock mostly.
Who's "they"
so should i use stock or liberty?
I also figured out this combo by myself several months ago (before this video). I sorta just figured that it was a well known strategy, but apparently I was wrong.
So you didn’t actually figure out this combo. You just used the panic attack in an mge.
Another guy already said it but the liberty launcher gives 1 additional ammo that helps when you burn through ammo alot. What that actually means is with this combo you use your rocket launcher as a secondary dps with still above average damage but mostly a utility weapon to stunlock your target to potentially finish them off with the panic attack. Sure any other launcher gives you better dps but with how fast this combo is, additional ammo actually gives you more chance or prolonged period for combo-ing, which surprisingly covers the inconsistent weakness of this combo since you get to have more chance if you fuk up.
The faster projectile speed helps too
@@shapied Yes but no, cause you mainly want to use this close to mid-range with the shotgun. It does help but not particularly much in this combo.
@@aereonexapprentice7205 I’m kinda scared that if I start to get good at this Combo then I might ruin my aim with other classes/primary’s
tldr: the only noteworthy upside liberty launcher has is slight rocket jump resist.
for A LOT of debuffs
11:05 the 1/100 chance Archimedes was really unexpected
This combination is actually really cool and useful!
Kinda like heroin!
I like heroin.
no way, heroin buddies
Dooternal taught me to switch to a different weapon each time I fire one like a crack addict (in games where it's possible) so I've been doing this, but with stock RL and stock shotgun. (I'll also take this opportunity to mention that even the melee is stock, and fuck the spoon.)
It also taught me to bind last weapon used to a thumb mouse button.
The difficulty in TF2 is that if you press a weapon switch button while already waiting for a weapon to be deployed, the current deploy is simply cancelled instead of the next one getting queued after it, so if you press buttons too early, you'll end up not firing anything because you're just stuck in deploy animations due to accidentally cancelling them before they could finish and let you attack.
The launcher in this doesn't really matter, but what you want is the Panic Attack for the superior switch speed.
@@kubaGR8 I know. It's fast enough that technically you can fire it between shots without slowing down rocket firing speed at all.
I just refuse to use unlocks against other players.
@@schniemand unlocks are what everyone can have. Refusing to use them is merely restricting yourself for no real reason (unless you happen to play only in situations where stock only is the best, which is doubtful)
@@schniemand sweats when any weapon other then stock is viable(wtf actual fun?)(tf2 is just csgo with rocket launcher)
@@user-25352 i don't care
For a second I thought you would be talking about the “rocket juggling” combo but instead you talked about a combo that ACTUALLY TOOK SKILL
Such as air shots
@@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 if you count basic calculation based prediction as a skill then yes it’s as skilled as all of snipers primaries are not
Edit: I used are not instead of aren’t, so I edited it to avoid any confusion on my stance
Edit 2: ok back to are not now that I thought the wording through…
@@GoodlyData86596 ???
@@GoodlyData86596 what fuckin' rocket science are you using to play tf2
@@thisdude4701 kinda late but it isn’t rocket science it’s just soldiers of every skill level subconsciously going “hey isn’t kinda weird how once someone is in mid air, they can’t change what direction the are going outside of turning left/right at consistent angles unless the have a double jump or a blast jump at their disposal” then they put one and one together and “hmmm now that I think about it all those times I have shot at peoples feet, they usually (“usually” doesn’t mean “always” contrary to popular belief) get launched straight into the air…” then the put two and two together “maybe I can combine those two observations together to nearly guarantee a direct hit on anyone I launched into the air by simply predicting were they will go because their movement is restricted in the air and thus their mixup/escape options are limited to the point where I can easily accommodate for all possible options and thus will be able to reliably predict/adjust-for their movement in air with a degree of guarantee that is simply not their when they are grounded resulting in me going for splash damage most of the time and only going for direct hits when I know I have enough confidence in where the enemy will move next, but with this new strategy now all I need to do in order to make someone’s movements very predictable is to launch them straight (roughly 70-110 degrees) in the air with a rocket at their feet to limit their freedom of movement this combined with the splash damage they took getting launched into the air, the direct hit, then the subsequent fall damage may be enough to reliably kill someone unless they can kill me first but even then if I aimed my 2nd rocket roughly right then fired the rocket before my death then I will still kill them” of course I’m only using this degree of explanation to point out what most soldiers will easily and subconsciously realize that you think would be so hard to 1. Figure out and 2. Put this realization into practice to raise their average k/d ratio by 3
whats pretty awesome is that the rapid switching also resets the panic attacks spread so that you can hit consistently with it
Damn the editing is getting really good.
Looking forward for more :)))))
Can't wait to see this combo be used everywhere
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I will never recover from this.
There's a soldier on a Hightower server I used to play on for years that would use this combo, albeit with the Original instead of the Lib Launcher. It was devastating, there really wasn't a counter to it on a map like Hightower where teamwork is an afterthought.
pls do not bully pyros with this loadout thank u
Nah I'm doing it.
Yeah screw pyros
Thanks for the idea, I will now proceed to use this to exclusively target Pyro. I will have my revenge for every health kit wasted recovering from a single scorch shot.
This is why the best kind of play includes variety, I will proceed to teach this to new players to give them a brutal, but efficient way to learn flik combos as well as countering airblast heavy pyros, this is also good for us pyros, we get to practice the liberty some more!
@@nts0n that's...terrible to hear (the scorch shot part)
I went through a hiatus of not touching TF2 for close to 7 years, and when I came back to it properly early last year I wanted to try out some different weapons to see if I could spice things up a bit. I stumbled across the Liberty Attack combo and it has become my go-to Soldier loadout ever since, so much so to the point where I have to force myself to not always use it so I don't become used to the LL stats and totally fuck up when I wanna use stock. Having that extra rocket and lower blast jump damage encourages me to adopt a more aggressive playstyle and it has seriously improved my overall gamesense and ability to pick my targets well, I'd highly encourage it.
I haven’t touched TF2 in eight years, but somehow UA-cam keeps sending me these videos to watch. And now, after reading your comment, I think it’s time to get back into it.
8:04
Did that Spy tried to Spycrab midair?
Damn, the power move.
This is actually an interesting loadout. The Panic Attack beats the Reserve Shooter in terms of damage per shot, shot pattern, clip size, and deploy speed. The Liberty Launcher may deal less damage to enemies, but it also deals less damage to the wielder, meaning rocket jumping isn’t too punishing without gunboats, which means you can afford to use a rocket to close the distance for better shotgun damage.
Seems like this sort of combo with the panic attack or reserve shooter would be a fantastic roaming soldier load out. Finding isolated enemies returning to the front from spawn and ambushing them at close range to reset their respawning timer
I have been doing this combo for a while, except it's with stock/cow mangler. It's actually really fun and effective in close range. The problem with the loadout I used was that airblasting pyros would still get me. With the discovery of this load out, this may help mitigate my one weakness.
This is why i like the liberty launcher, because it's not great on it's own, but when paired with a shotgun like the panic attack or reserve shooter (y'know, that one shotgun that was actually made to be paired with the liberty that everyone forgot existed once pyro couldn't use it with his airblast), it is a fantastic combo starter
You could take advantage of the reduced self damage and switch your melee to the MG to be a pseudo trolldier as well.
The part about this that's funniest to me is that I've done this combo with the stock launcher a lot already, and it's nuts lol.
stock lover when someone use not spawn and become successful
(he have/will copy the same load out but switch his primary to stock )
I have been using this combo for a while, thank you for making it main stream maxo:D
I just wanna know the minds of people seeing soldier shotgun swap like he's speedrunning doom.
dude i literally KNEW this gun was meant to be a combo weapon
I've always done this when I have any shotgun as soldier. People get shredded as rockets and shotgun pellets come flying at the same time. I honestly think the shotgun is great after the first rocket, anything with 150 hp or less dies in one rocket and shotgun round.
Watched, enjoyed, liked. Good job elmaxo ;)
Genius combo. For the liberty launcher, using the speed of a direct hit rocket while retaining the splash of a regular rocket is perfect. And the panic attack. The switch speed and fixed shots give quick reliable damage. Much better than a reserve shooter. Perfect combo in my eyes.
Love the vids
pressing Q will switch you to previous weapon
and if you have a mouse with extra buttons on sides
you can rebind them to extra mouse buttons for easier switching
this is just a theory ofcourse so i will have to try out.
a Woolen Sleevelet has a config/script for most classes where you click mouse one for primary and mouse two for secondary, just removes the pressing q for switching with just a button
also for example with Soldier, you press m2 for shotgun, you press m2 to shoot as well and vice versa
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Great video!
Welcome back! Pokemon Black and White music goes so hard
Great vid! I'll have to try this. I think the reason this works well with the Lib Launcher is that the clip size is larger and similar to that of the Panic Attack.
Only downside I could see is that you'd spend a lot of time reloading when the time comes.
I think this was planned to be the combo that went with the liberty launcher and the reserve shooter as they are a set
i think the number of crits you got is a sign that it actually has really good dps even though its hard to reasonably estimate for actual gameplay with a splash damage weapon and the panic attack
It’s funny cause I was using stock rockets and stock shotgun on MGE with my brother and I thought how I could make it more broken. And you did it. Great vid! Your editing has gotten miles better, those 50 cans of monster really helped. Keep up the great work!
return of the king! the SFM bits are a nice added touch 😎
I'm pretty sure the DPS would be just as good, if not, better with running any other rocket launcher whilst leaving everything else unchanged. If they changed the LL to have faster switch speed (which would itself boost its sole use as a trolldier crutch), I'd probably say this setup is subtly genius. But otherwise, it's just handicapping yourself for flashy-looking kills.
Has a little more sustain and is better for killing a small group of light classes one after the other but... Ya
Sounds like a skill issue to me buddy.
One day you'll break out of the meta slave mentality.
@@FelipeJaquez The liberty launcher is literally inferior on a mathematical level to literally every single rocket launcher in the game.
One day you'll break out of the contrarian mentality.
*Wait,* you could also just press "Q" to swap between the weapons much quicker!
he is doing that
the numbers are faster
I bound my mouse to have mouse wheel up select primary, mouse wheel down for melee, and the forward side button (near left-click) was jump. And then the side button closer to my wrist selected secondary. I was mainly a Degreaser Pyro and a rocket-jumping Soldier, so I needed fast weapons switch. You can just hold down left mouse during the switch, and the weapon would fire as soon as it was ready (no scripting or mashing necessary).
Congrats on 40 thousand subscribers!
This seems like a really fun loadout and also a good pyro counter
instead of spam switching a lot of the kills here couldve been achieved with two stock rockets followed by a panic attack shot after if needed
takes basically the same amount of time
Yes but it’s not as funny
This combo is literally playing doom eternal abusing the weapon switch to shoot faster and deal more damage quickly
Ngl that was some funking gross combos mate I think this is my favourite video so far
Dude, this is amazing :D
10:06 for a moment there i thought you accidentally revealed your aim assist cheats on screen
I forget I have a wireless mouse these days lol
I’m 3:13 in, and wouldn’t the Direct Hit and Reserve Shooter serve the same purpose and be even more lethal, not accounting for tighter aiming requirements?
I guess this loadout would be a great learning tool for the DH RS combo since it is more forgiving.
Edit: Originally typed Rescue Ranger XD
You mean the "Reserve Shooter" right? Rescue Ranger is the engineer primary that heals and grabs buildings.
@@toastman41000ml shoot. Yes. Lmao. Reserve shooter.
You would have to reload way more often, so probably not.
rescue ranger? that is an engie exclusive weapon
Reserve shooter and Direct hit both need more time for reloading compared to this and is more punishing when missing.
This combo is a more appealing set since it's far more consistent to land, especially because of the panic attack.
This is a more purely fun + skilled loadout than a Meta Loadout
Big Max is back! You love to see it. Waiting on that video on the best weapon, the short circuit
I love this, but the thing I have been having tons of fun with is the airstrike with the gunboats and market gardener. I just love rocket jumping all over the place with the 8 rockets and just destroying heavies bombing in.
I think the Liberty Launcher does have a bit of an advantage here since a pretty large part of your damage also comes from the Panic Attack, so the faster rocket speed is a better upside to throw off your opponents muscle memory without being completely crippled by the lower damage output.
The liberty launcher is also useful for extending the combo out to midrange, because even if you are a god at prediction, sometimes that stock rocket is just too slow. Even if at midrange you're doing slightly more than chip damage with the panic attack, you're offsetting the Liberty's reduced damage and resetting the spread on the panic attack each time you cycle through
0:16 and thats relatvle to 68 million people from 1927 to 1987
Any combo is good when your shotgun aim is this good. Well done!
TF2 Players: The Liberty Launcher is so bad!
Also them 5 seconds after using it:
Comboing like this has existed forever even on Soldier, this isn't hidden tech it's common knowledge to people who actually play TF2.
The average soldier player is too used to hideously large blast radius of course their finally evolving
this is quality stuff brother, i see an up and coming tf2 content maker
I’ve been trying out this combo lately, and I’m shocked at how fun and effective it is. I think the Liberty Launcher’s extra rocket and speed are what make it work, because you can switch to the Panic Attack and shoot right when the rocket hits the enemy, and do that more times before reloading. It’s a great roamer loadout, at least for me.
holy shit this is amazing thank you it works so well
I had to pause the video to catch my breath after seeing your Market Gardner's name and description. At 5AM, that managed to be the single funniest thing on Earth.
Bro watching you melt enemies with this is disgusting lol love the content please keep it up :)))
this video re-introduced me to combo-ing. Felt like they've been nerfed into the ground in recent years, but its still very fun
"Soldier Has A Secretly Broken Combo"
Yeah, Pocket Medic + Soldier
Holy shit incredible editing, you really weren't exaggerating
“You are not defined by your hairline.”
-Bilbo Baggins
Yes.
You made an old player that saw the liberty launcher as a huge guilty pleasure (to resist, as that fifth rocket is basically a drug but everything else is eh) happy. The panic attack is also a shotgun i really liked but didn't use much, i haven't felt this excited to try something new in tf2 in years.
LETS FUCKING GO!!!!!!! very glad you're back :) hope things are better for you.
i love your editing and commentary, endlessly funny and entertaining. do you ever do unedited gameplay commentary? I love watching those to try and learn how to think like a good player. Though I suppose buying a mouse with a polling rate that isn't negative should be my first priority
I ALWAYS loved the liberty launcher. The fast rockets is a great perk, with this combo it's even better
Dude that strafe off the crit over the fence to the medpack actually cured every disease I have contracted ever in my life
Ayt, you made me get excited for something to try out when playing soldier
i think you should try this with the air strike because the reason to use the liberty launcher was an extra rocket, but with the air strike you can have many extra rockets
Genuinely keen to try this out lol
Love the copious amounts of keyboard and mouse clicking sounds
More elmaxo content, poggers
ah Sky High smitten, my go to Kirby track. lovely addition to the vid!
Oh great now im ganna see this all game, FUN.
good to see you back man
I knew you would talk about this :D
that's why i love the reserve shooter
another use of the liberty launcher is that if you mix it with the gunboats, since both have self damage reduction which stack, you have essentially a half committed troldier. You can rocket jump while receiving way less damage from each jump and still fire rockets that do damage.
I’ve been using this strat for while before this vid was made, I thought this was already well know
Gave it a try myself and sure thing, it's pretty good!
this actually looks like a perfect strat for me. ive always found soldier strangely sluggish and only usually enjoy the cow mangler for spam but this seems fun
I've been using this combo whenever i play soldier for awhile
Which admittedly is not very often
But is often enough that i have a strange liberty launcher and a strange panic attack
return of the gamer
I feel like there's gonna be more combo soldiers now on pubs and casuals.
I love how this load out uses the panic attack and not the reserve shooter
yep, been doing this since before meet your match. alternating rocket and shotgun to trip up pyros (albeit with stock launcher and reserve)
ive been doing this since last year with the original and ive got to say, as soon as he mentioned the libertypanic combo i knew where it was going
1:04 T..the REAL John?!??!?!
wake up babe the elmaxo editing and sfm just updated
Wait, others are just finding this out? I once shredded a Medic by hitting him with my pan, launched him away with my stock rocket launcher, then finished him off with my Panic Attack. I should give the Liberty Launcher a try though!
hahaha im in the enclosure game love the videos man
I mean, the liberty launcher is in a set with the reserve shooter, a shotgun that is designed and benefits from swapping and shooting targets that you launch in the air.
One of the things i'd do as engi is having the panic attack with the short circuit. I'd have the circuit out first to cancel any projectile classes or to do chip damage regardless. and because the circuit deletes a large amount of non-bullet projectiles you can use it as an approach to butter up the foe to then quickly switch to the PA to seal the deal due to the extra damage the gun can do with those extra bullets.
for the melee is whatever really, presonally i use the Jag to place level threes in ridiculous spots to distract some foes - but you can also use the gunslinger as well if you want that extra health.