[TF2] Bad Weapon Academy: Liberty Launcher

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  • Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
  • You ever take a look at a weapon and think "How am I even supposed to use this piece of shit?" Don't worry, I'm here now.
    In which we take a crack at the Liberty Bell bearing Liberty Bibberty Launcher.
    Rebalance Servers: badweaponrehab.tf/
    Twitter: / fsoas_​
    Patreon: / fishstickonastick
    Main Channel: / @fishstickonastick
    Discord - / discord
    Music used - TF2 OST - Rocket Jump Waltz, Petit Chou-Fleur, Magnum Force
    Super Smash Bros. Starfox Stages - Corneria, Starfox Medley, Star Wolf
    Death Note OST - Semblance of Dualism
    Clips used - Star_: Homing Crit Rockets
    STBlackST - Endless Unusual Troubles
    Thor: Ragnarok
    Timestamps:
    0:00 Introduction
    1:53 Stats Breakdown
    4:44 The Buff Banner
    6:44 The Shotguns
    8:18 Aggressive Trolldier
    9:32 Thesis
    10:15 Potential Rebalances
    11:41 Conclusion
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  • @RocketManFran
    @RocketManFran 2 роки тому +2054

    I'm sorry I ever doubted you

    • @glarpo3349
      @glarpo3349 2 роки тому +59

      no way its romcket man fran thats crazy bro

    • @HarunX57zt
      @HarunX57zt 2 роки тому +37

      We're sorry we ever doubted you

    • @wojteklados6395
      @wojteklados6395 2 роки тому +36

      Ha! Found the comment. Came here from your vid.

    • @yeah8598
      @yeah8598 2 роки тому +1

      Lmao

    • @demoman5864
      @demoman5864 2 роки тому +9

      YOU! YOU READING THIS! Admit it, you came here from the video

  • @cardude247
    @cardude247 3 роки тому +3362

    As soon as I heard “also known as the Schwicky Schwag” the nostalgia hit me all at once lmao

    • @phillipmele8533
      @phillipmele8533 3 роки тому +185

      It’s an a n a g r a m

    • @kedarunzi9139
      @kedarunzi9139 3 роки тому +6

      :(

    • @Z3R0Steam
      @Z3R0Steam 3 роки тому +14

      @@phillipmele8533 for what

    • @phillipmele8533
      @phillipmele8533 3 роки тому +604

      @@Z3R0Steam For Liberty Launcher, obviously!
      (This is primarily an in-joke. UA-camr STAR_ used to do a lot of Team Fortress 2 videos, and had a penchant for screwball comedy. At one point in a video with fellow screwball Jerma985, STAR_ referred to the Liberty Launcher as “The Schwicky Shwag” and justified this by boldly claiming that it was an anagram for “Liberty Launcher”. This is, obviously, false. However, this particular gag was rooted in absurdist humor, and boldly advancing blatantly false absurd claims and not abandoning them when challenged is a common element in many absurdist jokes. Now you have your context.)

    • @Z3R0Steam
      @Z3R0Steam 3 роки тому +109

      @@phillipmele8533 thank you fellow TF2 fanatic

  • @meltdowntf2865
    @meltdowntf2865 3 роки тому +710

    I dont think that ive ever heard the phrase "... and the scout would tank it... "

    • @person_perhaps
      @person_perhaps 3 роки тому +30

      haha bonk go brrr

    • @thexylophone
      @thexylophone 2 роки тому +73

      breaking news: soldier uses the liberty launcher causing the world to collapse and for scout to become a tank class

    • @OGuiBlindao
      @OGuiBlindao 2 роки тому +8

      @@thexylophone i mean scout has the bonk which is pretty much a pocket uber except slowdown at the end and you can't attack

  • @Ludwig_Perpenhente
    @Ludwig_Perpenhente 3 роки тому +2060

    Honestly this is the second best Soldier Melee, right below The Direct Miss

    • @mohammadwaled409
      @mohammadwaled409 3 роки тому +92

      Nah the escape plan is better does ruffly the same and has better mobility

    • @eh2587
      @eh2587 3 роки тому +55

      @@mohammadwaled409 hmm yes, a weapon that you would pull out while on low health that makes you take 35% more damage (mark for deathed means mini crits, and mini crits do 35% more damage) is so good

    • @Wiki1184
      @Wiki1184 3 роки тому +130

      @@eh2587
      Sure it’s not the best for combat, but it is an “Escape plan”. It at least gives you a chance to get away even with its flaws.

    • @eh2587
      @eh2587 3 роки тому +8

      @@Wiki1184 I never said anything about combat

    • @Wiki1184
      @Wiki1184 3 роки тому +37

      @@eh2587
      I'm not saying you did? I'm just saying its ability to quickly escape from situations makes up for its weaknesses that those stats would give it in combat.

  • @wetsocks4460
    @wetsocks4460 3 роки тому +3161

    Let’s just appreciate how cool this set looks

    • @cooliuscaesar8076
      @cooliuscaesar8076 3 роки тому +82

      Yeah I think it’s one of his best sets. I only ever use the Liberty Launcher when I’m using the set lol

    • @fall2zero
      @fall2zero 3 роки тому +10

      waiiit
      who are you! POSER

    • @cooliuscaesar8076
      @cooliuscaesar8076 3 роки тому +7

      @@fall2zero guilty as charged

    • @Dave-fc7cc
      @Dave-fc7cc 3 роки тому +1

      *critical shit noises*

    • @0xDEADBEEF99
      @0xDEADBEEF99 3 роки тому +7

      @@Dave-fc7cc SCREAMIN' EAGLES
      *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*

  • @wanna877
    @wanna877 3 роки тому +1495

    Keep the damage penalty, add faster switching and give it more knockback, and we got a powerful combo weapon

    • @bruschetta7711
      @bruschetta7711 3 роки тому +188

      With the buff he proposed, combo soldier could be a thing, since he's the only one who can make the reserve shooter actually decent, but needs another buff cuz direct hit now can do both better

    • @jesfest
      @jesfest 3 роки тому +71

      I was thinking something similar. Switch out that projectile speed for more knockback. It should have the highest knockback of any rocket launcher.
      With that change, you get good CC, better combo with Reserve shooter, and can help your team better neutralise targets while sacrificing raw damage output.

    • @jakman8515
      @jakman8515 3 роки тому +1

      What would you even combo? Your buff is saying that you want to buff the ll and reserve but the faster switching speed is useless because the reservse already has it and the second buff only buffs one combo and not multiple

    • @mohammadwaled409
      @mohammadwaled409 3 роки тому +43

      @@jakman8515 with the buffs you can probably juggle shot juggle shot and that is really cool

    • @xavibun
      @xavibun 3 роки тому +44

      Hell yeah let's give Soldier a degreaser. I'd actually user it over stock in that case.

  • @ViceN53X
    @ViceN53X 3 роки тому +1234

    7:12
    I could not help but notice how you hilariously stole that Scout's medi-kit and blocked him from making that jump

    • @nickspencerfishingrodd2383
      @nickspencerfishingrodd2383 3 роки тому +15

      lol i noticed that too

    • @britishrailclass4767
      @britishrailclass4767 2 роки тому +21

      Get rekt scout

    • @cruciblelord6326
      @cruciblelord6326 2 роки тому +37

      How the turntables now soldier stole the medkit

    • @fujineetomori
      @fujineetomori 2 роки тому +37

      Scout: I'm the fastest class with the lowest health, so I deserve the health kit!
      Gunboats-less Roamer Solly: no

    • @ViceN53X
      @ViceN53X 2 роки тому +8

      @@fujineetomori Read that last line with that soldier "no" dialogue 🤣

  • @graysongdl
    @graysongdl 3 роки тому +558

    4:39 - "HE'S NOT EVEN HURT"
    Well he did just take a small health pack, so...

    • @ladripper47874
      @ladripper47874 3 роки тому +23

      This. You can even see the healing particles in the same frame

    • @beepboopmeow203
      @beepboopmeow203 3 роки тому +58

      Still a testament.
      If you did that with any other launcher other than the Air Strike, you'll either kill or injure the enemy enough that a small health-kit won't be enough.

    • @Tormaline
      @Tormaline 3 роки тому +6

      I'm glad I decided to go down in the comments before commenting how the Scout was actually at 53 hp before picking up the health pack.

    • @user-Insane_Ails
      @user-Insane_Ails 3 роки тому +18

      @@Tormaline thats still horrible damage considering how far away the scout was when he was hit

    • @TheSpiritedFendron
      @TheSpiritedFendron 3 роки тому

      @@beepboopmeow203 testament doesn't suit here

  • @kaijuslayer3334
    @kaijuslayer3334 3 роки тому +896

    “The Liberty Launcher is bad”
    Me: *having used it for years as soldier thinking it was his best primary*
    “wut”

    • @kentknightofcaelin4537
      @kentknightofcaelin4537 3 роки тому +180

      I mean, what do you expect, it has a 25% damage penalty. That's huge for a primary weapon.

    • @TrouserSnivy
      @TrouserSnivy 3 роки тому +51

      Sorry that you have been wrong for years

    • @kaijuslayer3334
      @kaijuslayer3334 3 роки тому +125

      Trouser Snivy I wouldn’t say that. Cause I’m not gonna stop thinking it’s my favorite launcher.

    • @TrouserSnivy
      @TrouserSnivy 3 роки тому +86

      @@kaijuslayer3334 Difference between it being your favorite and it being the best primary. I still like the gun but you reach a point where if you're playing the game competitively, it doesn't offer enough of a playstyle change to warrant being horrible at DM like the air strike and beggar's bazooka. I would love to use it more, I just don't get the feeling of enjoyment anymore now that I have been playing long enough to understand that I am just gimping myself with no real technical justification for using it. Not even for it being "fun" when it just plays identically to stock but worse.
      If you're not playing that seriously though, there's no real reason not to use it either. Keep using it

    • @noakinn
      @noakinn 3 роки тому +8

      Trouser Snivy He meant best as in, best for him.

  • @TheUndeadslayer221
    @TheUndeadslayer221 3 роки тому +647

    Old Liberty Launcher: -1 Rocket in the mag, but no damage penalty.
    Yeah... it used to be amazing a long time ago.

    • @usernametaken017
      @usernametaken017 3 роки тому +55

      It wad 70% more speed. Crutch

    • @thexylophone
      @thexylophone 2 роки тому +39

      I'm pretty sure it was never meant to be used as a regular rocket launcher tbh, pretty sure it was supposed to be used with the reserve shooter

    • @TheUndeadslayer221
      @TheUndeadslayer221 2 роки тому +52

      @@thexylophone Probably should've given more knockback power like the blast soldiers from Mannhatten.

    • @GoodlyData86596
      @GoodlyData86596 2 роки тому +7

      Aka loch n load but does splash damage, fires a non falling projectile, and, is for the soldier

    • @drivanradosivic1357
      @drivanradosivic1357 2 роки тому +2

      in my opinion, if the current plus 1 in the mag Liberty Launcher had a "plus X% while airborne" that would give it sort of a Bomber in the Sky, combo with the shotgun on the ground sort of playstyle.
      the question is, does the plus damage negate the damage penalty or is larger? plus 25% minus 25% is stock rocket launcher damage in the air, but if it was something like 40% more damage when airborne with minus 25% damage that would be plus 15% when airborne.
      thoughts?

  • @jaysternumber1
    @jaysternumber1 3 роки тому +111

    I’ve always used this as a “I want to trolldier but I still want a damage dealing rocket launcher” but even then I usually just use the air strike for more fun rocket jumps.

  • @buzzsburner.8286
    @buzzsburner.8286 3 роки тому +28

    1:49 hes simply; vibin...

  • @writwits5826
    @writwits5826 3 роки тому +299

    Sometimes i'll use it for the projectile speed, but then i just swap to the direct hit and instantly kill more

    • @kannatheweeb8836
      @kannatheweeb8836 3 роки тому +6

      Ah yes

    • @GoodlyData86596
      @GoodlyData86596 2 роки тому

      The liberty launcher Is a good “my reflexes need to adjust to a different projectile speed” weapon to help with transitioning to/from the direct hits faster projectile

  • @FisherStAmour-xl4qz
    @FisherStAmour-xl4qz 3 роки тому +1301

    Are you holding w while rocket jumping, because it looks like you may be. When air strafing that slows you down a lot

    • @maximilianklinger2712
      @maximilianklinger2712 3 роки тому +32

      Really?

    • @draforgg5594
      @draforgg5594 3 роки тому +160

      Holy. This info is gonna help me a lot. Thanks

    • @terri4994
      @terri4994 3 роки тому +212

      @@maximilianklinger2712 Yeah, you gotta hold A when turning left and hold D while turning right and if you're not gonna turn just dont hold anything.

    • @alineandastickandagain885
      @alineandastickandagain885 3 роки тому +4

      try refrasing that, it makes it sound like air strafing makes you slower

    • @SiamHossain7
      @SiamHossain7 3 роки тому +108

      @@alineandastickandagain885 No that sounds right. This is how demoknight trimping also works, by strafing to alternate directions and turning mid-air as moving sideways while turning somehow gives you a speed boost. It's just a Source engine/TF2 glitch that has never been fixed and has since become a staple.

  • @ABZ7891
    @ABZ7891 3 роки тому +38

    The liberty launcher, reserve shooter and the market gardener coincidentally came out together as part of a set, so it's cool to see that they work well together.

  • @cdgonepotatoes4219
    @cdgonepotatoes4219 3 роки тому +78

    I feel like the reload speed could be brought up to somewhat equalize that damage penalty, not the fire rate, so you're a much more sustained damage dealer but at the same time you have low burst damage unless you combo the hell out of an enemy.

    • @nobleradical2158
      @nobleradical2158 6 місяців тому

      I would agree, but literally zero weapons in TF2 change reload speeds, and I think there must be a technical reason for that.

    • @cdgonepotatoes4219
      @cdgonepotatoes4219 6 місяців тому +2

      @nobleradical2158 brother do you even play MvM? What about the Air Strike? Sure it's all upgrades and conditional reload speed multipliers, but that doesn't make me think there's an engine limitation making balance through reload speed by simply increasing animation speed impossible.

    • @nobleradical2158
      @nobleradical2158 6 місяців тому

      @@cdgonepotatoes4219 I don't play MvM, forgot about that. In casual though the air strike doesn't get any reload speed changes.

    • @cdgonepotatoes4219
      @cdgonepotatoes4219 6 місяців тому +2

      @@nobleradical2158 it doesn't? Apologies, then... oh! Correct a thing and another comes to mind: x10 servers

  • @nickprice2165
    @nickprice2165 3 роки тому +256

    On the subject of increased firing speed: I feel like the developers of this game could really do a lot of good applying mvm upgrades to balance changes for existing weapons and new weapons outright. For example a minigun that destroys projectiles could be fucking sick if its balanced right.

    • @4days604
      @4days604 3 роки тому +38

      Developer* sorry just had to correct you there lmao
      But that would be sick, rewarding quick acurate aim

    • @nickprice2165
      @nickprice2165 3 роки тому +15

      @@4days604 hahaha good catch

    • @whydoiexist2180
      @whydoiexist2180 3 роки тому +4

      @@4days604 25% damage penalty

    • @juridiscious5517
      @juridiscious5517 2 роки тому +17

      Nah, i dont think we need another short circuit in the game. Heavy against a soldier without cover is already pretty bad on the soldier's side, having basically the natascha against scouts and demoknights but against soldier would be rather unfun to play against.

    • @Breakaway-ic5gj
      @Breakaway-ic5gj 2 роки тому

      @@juridiscious5517 Also wouldn't it make Pyro almost useless at that point ?

  • @nobuf
    @nobuf 3 роки тому +516

    I'm glad this came up in my recommended, this is a very high quality video

  • @NohorseRU
    @NohorseRU 3 роки тому +10

    Nothing beats the feeling of seeing "-18" pop up on your rockets as you struggle to spam out someone in the distance

  • @CrunchyFinn
    @CrunchyFinn 3 роки тому +4

    3:34 Demo kills himself trying to hit an ubered player with caber, LMAO

  • @SproingBoing
    @SproingBoing 3 роки тому +109

    You forgot the hidden stat on the weapon "On Kill: Opponent loses the will to live"

  • @patrik9328
    @patrik9328 3 роки тому +318

    "Son, always remember! Dying is g a y!!"
    RIP Rick May

    • @2.0pewdiepie53
      @2.0pewdiepie53 3 роки тому +20

      Dying is gay, but the exception for the rule was Rick May.

    • @patrik9328
      @patrik9328 3 роки тому +7

      2.0 PewDiePie yes
      We hate you Covid 19!!!!

    • @patrik9328
      @patrik9328 3 роки тому +2

      @@portonazoencubierto2765 true

    • @patrik9328
      @patrik9328 3 роки тому +4

      @TSMS64 The Hedgehog And he is there giving Avicii and Christopher Lee a sensible haircut!

    • @HuneeBruh
      @HuneeBruh 3 роки тому +1

      He has become yag

  • @beardedbagel4231
    @beardedbagel4231 3 роки тому +7

    1:48 "im simply vibing"

  • @bena2.014
    @bena2.014 2 роки тому +22

    Another cool "fix" for it would be just making the reload and firing speed faster, since we do not have something like that yet

  • @happygol-lucky5938
    @happygol-lucky5938 3 роки тому +804

    Personally, I would just increase the explosive radius to make it a more effective harassment weapon. More speed, More in the clip, AND a bigger boom radius?
    I'd take a damage debuff for that. It doesn't make the weapon good still, but it would give the launcher a different enough use outside of the others.

    • @iwiffitthitotonacc4673
      @iwiffitthitotonacc4673 3 роки тому +12

      Ay I like this.

    • @happygol-lucky5938
      @happygol-lucky5938 3 роки тому +47

      @@iwiffitthitotonacc4673
      Honestly, I would be down for the increased boom radius, being something no other rocket launcher currently has, be the main gimmick, but the weapon overall falling under one of two categories:
      1. Adding the explosion radius buff onto the current concept of the launcher.
      2. Making the Liberty Launcher have a reduced clip (Controversial, but give it one rocket per clip), but further emphasis the explosion radius.
      Honestly, the second option could make for an interesting playstyle, especially if you added weapon swap speed to it; you could essentially play as a shotgun soldier...and it would help combo with its partner weapon, the Reserve Shooter. Knock one or two people into the air and then shoot them.

    • @iwiffitthitotonacc4673
      @iwiffitthitotonacc4673 3 роки тому +33

      @@happygol-lucky5938 I think the 1 rocket but bigger radius gimmick should be reserved for a mortar-type rocket launcher, where the rocket is also affected by gravity.

    • @happygol-lucky5938
      @happygol-lucky5938 3 роки тому +15

      @@iwiffitthitotonacc4673
      This is certainly not a bad idea, and having the rocket operate like an explosive Loch'N'Load pill would be interesting on another weapon.
      However, I have always found it an interesting challenge to try to find new 'Sub-Class' Potential in other classes that does not simply involve making them Demoknights (Of which Demoknight is the only real sub-class.)
      While the Lib. Launcher as a combo-weapon with the reserve shooter is not a sub-class, it at least opens up a new playstyle opportunity that does not revolve expressly on deliberate inaction like Battle Medics do.

    • @No-pm4ss
      @No-pm4ss 3 роки тому +4

      I mean, that would really make it a crutch...

  • @jimfromdiscord.8904
    @jimfromdiscord.8904 3 роки тому +106

    I really only see this used for two things:
    "I can't aim rockets and the projectile speed helps a lot" and
    "I want to trolldier but I can't reliably hit market gardens"

    • @HellecticMojo
      @HellecticMojo 3 роки тому +22

      BUT SOUNDSMIIIITH

    • @terri4994
      @terri4994 3 роки тому +10

      And "I like to combo it with a shotgun."

    • @gabeyab
      @gabeyab 3 роки тому +8

      Maybe it could be repurposed as a trolldier rocket launcher?
      I mean, the set it’s in is literally called the Airborne Armaments.
      It could remove the projectile speed, maybe add another rocket, less self damage, and sink the damage, but increased knockback/bigger splash range?
      Maybe you could bring sets into play? Adding a self-damage nerf and switch speed buff if you have all the weapons? (I guess you can null the cosmetic part) Therefore, sets actually have a purpose.

    • @MetaL556
      @MetaL556 3 роки тому +2

      @@gabeyab Sets used to have bonuses, and Valve decided they were too strong to keep as stat boosters(I mean... Saharan Spy was fucking bonkers, and the bonus HP for Scout was pretty nasty too, despite having to use the shortstop). It's not gonna happen again.

    • @Ludwig_Perpenhente
      @Ludwig_Perpenhente 3 роки тому

      @@MetaL556 Shortstop is pretty good at close range since it has a tighter spread

  • @CalmMagma
    @CalmMagma 3 роки тому +80

    This weapon is actually pretty good right now for people who love rocket jumping, with the reduced self-damage as well as the extra rocket can basically turn you into a super-mobile-weaker-soldier.
    Pretty shit otherwise tho.

    • @SpecterReaper
      @SpecterReaper 2 роки тому +1

      liser

    • @CalmMagma
      @CalmMagma 2 роки тому

      @@SpecterReaper wtf dude I hate liser! Lisa 4 is going to be MUCH better

  • @silverfeathermw3628
    @silverfeathermw3628 3 роки тому +20

    Personally, I like to pair it with the conch. It takes less damage to fill the meter, and with the minimal rocket jump damage, the regen helps make those jumps damage disappear.

  • @KannonandSwitch
    @KannonandSwitch 3 роки тому +96

    I personally see this as a more "support" rocket launcher, as briefly mentioned with the banners. I almost always run this with either conch+whip for really high mobility and team healing for support. For a more aggressive route I use the buff banner and escape plan (more selfish, but reliable than the whip in this loadout, since the conch keeps you within the hp needed for a rocket jump).

    • @eh2587
      @eh2587 3 роки тому +1

      If you want to go full support soldier, use cowmangler, a banner and disiprinary action

    • @jackstorm670
      @jackstorm670 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah my thoughts as well. Personally I'd use the gardner to help build banner. It'd take like two gardens and a few rockets for the conch so it wouldn't take long. Though I've noticed I'm a lot more aggressive then I probably should be so that's probably just me

  • @jimjee523
    @jimjee523 3 роки тому +50

    if the damage penalty was -20% and rocket jumps were -30% damage it would be better

  • @themirrorchannel4483
    @themirrorchannel4483 3 роки тому +9

    Oh my god, You have no idea how happy it makes me to appear in this video, not just once but three times.
    Sniper at: 6:28
    Pyro at: 8:04
    Pyro again at: 10:10
    I don't care if the only thing you see is me dying over and over or being bad at sniping. Seeing this made me realize how much i have improved in playing the game. I may be not the best player (of course i'm not, i just started playing in August this year) but it's thanks to videos like this that i got better at playing TF2 and now i don't die... THAT often.

  • @tameronica
    @tameronica 3 роки тому +19

    6:14
    That was absolute genius. I laughed so hard

  • @kingjester564
    @kingjester564 3 роки тому +133

    While understand the liberty launcher isn’t as good compared to the other rocket launchers I always felt at home with it,sure it does less damage but it has faster projectile speed and overall I feel at home with it.its my primary loudout pared with the reserve shooter as means to take down any troilders or jet pack pyros and the escape plan for getting out of bad situations.while the liberty launcher may not be as good I feel comfortable with it

    • @merchskele7507
      @merchskele7507 3 роки тому +15

      Go with it for if ya enjoy it no need to stop playing with it as your primary as enjoyable playing is recommended than not fun play style

    • @mohammadwaled409
      @mohammadwaled409 3 роки тому +10

      Have fun

    • @Kyle_Reese
      @Kyle_Reese 2 роки тому +3

      dudes said "i feel comfortable with it" 3 times

    • @laundromatt3129
      @laundromatt3129 2 роки тому

      Same, I use it for the extra jump so I don’t waste everything right before a team fight

    • @HuneeBruh
      @HuneeBruh 2 роки тому

      If you want to take people out in the air, the direct hit would probably be better

  • @aviowl8945
    @aviowl8945 3 роки тому +201

    Ahh someone up and coming.
    I will watch your career with great interest

  • @SvartaSnuten
    @SvartaSnuten 3 роки тому +33

    I've found that this is my go-to launcher for defending last point on payload. As your teammates shoot frantically towards the cart, they'll most often try to go for multiple targets rather than focusing one. Having that projectile speed and extra rocket is vital in this situation, and the damage penalty is pretty much negated. In essence, it's a support launcher.

  • @The_D_ray
    @The_D_ray 2 роки тому +8

    You know the Starfox Ost is good, when you can easily spot it even if someone's talking.

  • @AtomicRiftYT
    @AtomicRiftYT 3 роки тому +209

    I actually unironically love this weapon, it's great with crits, and the extra speed gives the enemy less time to surf/dodge the blast. The damage reduction isn't as big of a deal when I can just shoot the damn thing one more time
    edit: also wtf why are you holding W while rocket jumping

    • @mohammadwaled409
      @mohammadwaled409 3 роки тому +7

      I didn't know shy gal fans like tf2

    • @mohammadwaled409
      @mohammadwaled409 3 роки тому +6

      @I expect the spanish inquisition hey your life would far less rich if it weren't for minus 8

    • @AtomicRiftYT
      @AtomicRiftYT 3 роки тому +3

      @I expect the spanish inquisition based pfp

    • @the-hd5cx
      @the-hd5cx 3 роки тому

      @@AtomicRiftYT give It to me, your pfp I need it

    • @michaelabetteridge
      @michaelabetteridge 3 роки тому

      @@the-hd5cx the

  • @panzerkampfwagenvi8265
    @panzerkampfwagenvi8265 3 роки тому +39

    “This takes the average damage from 90 to 68”
    *we where on the verge of greatness, we where this close*

  • @imafirinmahlazahr
    @imafirinmahlazahr Рік тому +1

    4:36
    Misses health pack
    Scout picks up health pack after killing him
    "He's not even hurt."

  • @upbeatship4431
    @upbeatship4431 3 роки тому +3

    Hearing Rocket Waltz at the start of this video hits a littler harder than it should.

  • @baneofthebread
    @baneofthebread 3 роки тому +32

    I'd say the biggest thing holding back this RL is how similar it already is to the Air Strike, and giving it any buff would make it even more similar

    • @faceless2302
      @faceless2302 3 роки тому +3

      Yeah it does feel like it's trying really hard to be a rocket jumping weapon when that's already well beaten out by the capacity and firerate of the airstrike for bombing potential.

    • @iamacatperson7226
      @iamacatperson7226 Рік тому

      Explosion radius increase

  • @Mate_Antal_Zoltan
    @Mate_Antal_Zoltan 3 роки тому +22

    when I saw the notification for this I was like "What?? There's so many upsides!" and then I remembered that this thing is even weaker than the Air Strike
    oh, and talking about the Air Strike, it is so fucking satisfying to chain rocket jumps with that thing

  • @zaxstarkaijein
    @zaxstarkaijein 3 роки тому +3

    FSoaS: says sorry for crit rocket
    Also FSoaS: outright kills a friendly heavy
    *gaemr*

  • @mightyfidif7090
    @mightyfidif7090 3 роки тому +7

    Can we just take a second and look at this medic around 7:19, When they lost their Uber on a sniper instead of getting out, they tried to melee like 3 people (while abandoning both soldiers nearby) and then ran at fish somehow expecting it to work.

  • @empirecrumbles615
    @empirecrumbles615 3 роки тому +135

    Honestly, the launcher isn’t bad, it’s just effectively a downgrade compared to the stock.

    • @awryri
      @awryri 3 роки тому +9

      it isn't bad, just the worst option for a launcher

    • @SavageGreywolf
      @SavageGreywolf 3 роки тому +8

      I like to think of it as the 'hybrid trolldier' launcher

    • @squeaks5677
      @squeaks5677 3 роки тому +1

      awryri I’d argue the Black Box is.

    • @Ludwig_Perpenhente
      @Ludwig_Perpenhente 3 роки тому +7

      @@squeaks5677 Black Box and trolldier don't really combo much since 1 Rocket is REALLY important when it comes to Trolldier-ing. Hence why This or the Airstrike (paired with Gunboats) is better to Hybrid Trolldier
      Black Box does make a good Ballsy Weapon so long as you hit

    • @Ludwig_Perpenhente
      @Ludwig_Perpenhente 3 роки тому

      @Maxus Devasteitor not really the best but certainly good

  • @misha-chan2455
    @misha-chan2455 3 роки тому +18

    how to use the liberty launcher:
    - use your other weapons more

  • @Sansmemelordover
    @Sansmemelordover 2 роки тому +8

    I love the Starfox music! It’s such a great match to this weapon! I love this series!

  • @cristinagomez3283
    @cristinagomez3283 2 роки тому +3

    3:21 did medic trip over soldier

  • @spartanwar1185
    @spartanwar1185 3 роки тому +13

    6:27
    This was wholly unexpected
    Needless to say, _i_ died too, of laughter...

  • @uruburus5203
    @uruburus5203 3 роки тому +9

    the "im simply vibing" spy must be a meme

  • @nickkayfabe6147
    @nickkayfabe6147 3 роки тому +2

    FishStickOnAStick: *recommends the market gardener*
    Soundsmith: “This looks like a job for me”

  • @alex222333ful
    @alex222333ful 3 роки тому +3

    I'm really happy to see you're channel grow this fast
    I've been watching since Godzilla NES and it's really cool that so many other people are enjoying your content, even if it isn't the same content that i started watching you for

  • @rosegold2808
    @rosegold2808 3 роки тому +91

    I was under the impression that this was good

    • @S0fti_
      @S0fti_ 3 роки тому +5

      Me too

    • @a.person1805
      @a.person1805 3 роки тому +15

      It's not my favorite launcher, but I still thought of it as a good weapon

    • @mccookies3664
      @mccookies3664 3 роки тому +26

      It's not that it's bad, it's just that soldier has much better weapons, and there's not really a reason to use this over stock.

    • @faceless2302
      @faceless2302 3 роки тому +14

      @@mccookies3664 This basically. It has some good upsides, it just isn't quite the workhorse that the stock/box/direct is or the bomber that the airstrike is. It falls into more of the "just for fun" category of weapons.

    • @mandariiniyt7958
      @mandariiniyt7958 3 роки тому

      Before this video i thought must use superior liberty but now im more at airstrike bc rocket jumping with 8 rockets is fun when u can shoot them so fast

  • @thephenomenalgarage6707
    @thephenomenalgarage6707 3 роки тому +8

    The liberty launcher is actually my favorite launcher. When you use it with the gunboats its super fun to hop around and get air kills with

    • @joanaguayoplanell4912
      @joanaguayoplanell4912 3 роки тому +2

      Too bad the Air Strike is straight up better literally in every situation, including that one.

    • @elecman748
      @elecman748 2 роки тому

      @@joanaguayoplanell4912 and still does damage, and can get a lot more of rockets

  • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
    @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 3 роки тому +4

    3:46
    Projectile dysfunction is no joke fellas.

  • @niaway8356
    @niaway8356 3 роки тому +3

    absolutely loving the star fox: assault music throughout this one

  • @JustWaynedrew
    @JustWaynedrew 2 роки тому +9

    Who's here finding RocketManFran's comment about doubting the liberty launcher?

    • @welcometochiles6156
      @welcometochiles6156 2 роки тому

      my search has been unsuccessful :(

    • @JustWaynedrew
      @JustWaynedrew 2 роки тому

      @@welcometochiles6156 *Mission Failed, we'll get em' next time*

  • @King_Kaboom
    @King_Kaboom 3 роки тому +5

    What if to compensate for the longer amount of time spent reloading because of the extra rocket, give the weapon an increased reload speed to help it at least keep pressure on enemies, even if the damage isn't quite as substantial.

  • @orangepeel4542
    @orangepeel4542 8 місяців тому +2

    5:50 FINALLY SOMEONE PRONOUNCES IT RIGHT

  • @DarklordKermit77
    @DarklordKermit77 Рік тому

    Yes, the combo weapon idea. I've had this idea for a awhile and I'm so glad someone else has it too.

  • @micahnightwolf
    @micahnightwolf 3 роки тому +11

    I'd like to see the Liberty Launcher taken in the (mostly) opposite direction from the Direct Hit. Keep the projectile speed buff and reduced damage, but increase the explosion radius.

  • @spamuel98
    @spamuel98 3 роки тому +4

    "Remember son, dying is gay!" That is absolutely the kind of batshit crazy soldier would go with. More lead water!

  • @LovelyLori193
    @LovelyLori193 3 роки тому

    This is a great video, love the star and jerma reference too

  • @Takato142
    @Takato142 2 роки тому

    I love all the little "easter egg" type edits you put into these videos that don't even get mentioned in the commentary lmfao

  • @bountifulbees9322
    @bountifulbees9322 3 роки тому +7

    5:26 Random crits are fair and balanced

  • @mac_II
    @mac_II 3 роки тому +92

    "The Liberty Launcher:
    Jack of no trades, good at basically nothing."
    Like seriously, with any combo with the liberty launcher you're better off just using a different RL in that combo.
    People say that they use it cause they want to go trolldier but still have a consistent source of damage, but in that case you're better off using the RJ and a shotty, or better yet just using a normal launcher and the gunboats.

    • @a.t.4527
      @a.t.4527 3 роки тому +3

      what if they want man treads

    • @Artseuss
      @Artseuss 3 роки тому +3

      True but sometimes people just have an urge to do something random. This is just making the Liberty Launcher feesable not good.

    • @HellecticMojo
      @HellecticMojo 3 роки тому +1

      It's actually just for backup purposes. If you want to trolldier, it's for fighting things under roofs.
      I think people just expect it to be a specialist while having a secondary genalist is fine. I bet no one would've complained if Liberty Launcher was the stock and the Stock RL came as an unlock.
      "OHhhhh, it's slower and has less mag size but it deals more damage WOAH" people would've said.

    • @Ludwig_Perpenhente
      @Ludwig_Perpenhente 3 роки тому

      For Hybrid Trolldiers:
      Air Strike + Gunboats is REALLY good, Not only do you get 1 rocket per kill but you also only lose like 15 health per Rocket Jump.

  • @KonyTheDeer
    @KonyTheDeer 3 роки тому

    Thank you for being one of the few UA-camrs who actually lists used songs and music in video

  • @whatyoulookinfor
    @whatyoulookinfor 3 роки тому

    Your videos have made me get back into tf2 after a 2 year break (that and unboxing an unusual crabe de chapeau). Love your content!

  • @iwiffitthitotonacc4673
    @iwiffitthitotonacc4673 3 роки тому +54

    Here's my idea:
    Make the damage penalty 20%, BUT!
    Each kill decreases the penalty with 1%, capping at 10%(or 12%) damage penalty.
    Gotta rev that gear up.

    • @juliusisoeskeli6789
      @juliusisoeskeli6789 3 роки тому +6

      It's not too bad idea but for skilled players it becomes better rocket launcher and probably meta.

    • @iwiffitthitotonacc4673
      @iwiffitthitotonacc4673 3 роки тому +2

      @@juliusisoeskeli6789 That's a fair criticism of my idea.

    • @Ne1vaan
      @Ne1vaan 3 роки тому +2

      @@juliusisoeskeli6789 I'm okay with skill being rewarded with better performance than stock. It's criminal the Bazaar Bargain was ever nerfed.

    • @ilikewindows3455
      @ilikewindows3455 3 роки тому +3

      @@Ne1vaan wait... The bazaar bargain got nerfed? That's one of snipers guns, don't you mean beggars bazooka?
      Im asking because i too get that commonly mixed up

    • @juliusisoeskeli6789
      @juliusisoeskeli6789 3 роки тому +1

      @@Ne1vaan I personally like that unlocks are side grades meaning they change the play style of cheracter not being straight up upgrades

  • @zachonthenet
    @zachonthenet 3 роки тому +5

    I love this weapon. I really wanna see it get buffed (or at least the damage penalty slightly decreased) because I just love it so much.

  • @deadpantaloon5133
    @deadpantaloon5133 3 роки тому +2

    thanks for the jerma memory, man i miss his tf2 gameplay and what ever happened to star!

  • @alyxe
    @alyxe 3 роки тому +1

    10K Subs! Congrats Man!

  • @terri4994
    @terri4994 3 роки тому +7

    He definitely seems like he's holding w while rocket jumping :/.

    • @screamsinrussian5773
      @screamsinrussian5773 2 роки тому

      bad habits die hard

    • @ziqrsx
      @ziqrsx 2 роки тому

      i got rid of the habit early, i still suck at rocket jumping though,

  • @loreleiflare7388
    @loreleiflare7388 3 роки тому +3

    Concept: Faster switch speed. Turn the Liberty Launcher into a Degreaser- or Panic Attack-type combo gun. Oh, wait, you just said that. Pfft!

  • @dustee985
    @dustee985 Рік тому +1

    TF2 Classic’s Knockoutchat custom weapons servers balance the Liberty Launcher perfectly:
    They reduce the damage penalty from 25% to 20%, an they give it a 15% faster firing speed.
    Such an awesome weapons to use in those servers.

  • @ruffrack737
    @ruffrack737 3 роки тому

    i never fucking knew my fav youtuber fishstickonastick creepypasta guy was making tf2 vids. keep it up dawg, proud of you

  • @obedmurillo462
    @obedmurillo462 3 роки тому +7

    Imagine not liking a weapon for its little damage
    When its literally the rocket jumper 2.0

    • @nothumanz
      @nothumanz 3 роки тому +5

      Then use the rocket jumper

    • @thexylophone
      @thexylophone 2 роки тому

      I guess we both watched ace huh

  • @valentaire4689
    @valentaire4689 3 роки тому +18

    I always thought the Llauncher was Decent

    • @mohammadwaled409
      @mohammadwaled409 3 роки тому +1

      It is decent
      But thats just not enough

    • @valentaire4689
      @valentaire4689 3 роки тому +9

      @@mohammadwaled409 Is that what all the women say to you

    • @mohammadwaled409
      @mohammadwaled409 3 роки тому +10

      @@valentaire4689 i just got publicly murderd

    • @someguy1716
      @someguy1716 3 роки тому +2

      @@valentaire4689 toasted him

    • @idress8340
      @idress8340 3 роки тому

      @@valentaire4689 Why the salt

  • @fortnitesexman
    @fortnitesexman 3 роки тому +2

    3:10
    The pause
    Followed by f u c k
    Perfectly sums up what it feels like to read this weapon's stats for the first time

  • @synthwavecat96
    @synthwavecat96 3 роки тому

    Something about that intro, with the rocket barrage and Rocket Jump Waltz playing.
    It's magical.

  • @kuru9157
    @kuru9157 3 роки тому +3

    Hey a new video! This is my favourite series

  • @niko_8208
    @niko_8208 3 роки тому +15

    Honestly, I'm confused that star never showed up since you used one of his old clips and had his voice in your video, and we all know that he LOVES when you do that.

    • @SoldierMan755
      @SoldierMan755 3 роки тому +1

      Lol. Is he really that petty?

    • @niko_8208
      @niko_8208 3 роки тому +1

      @@SoldierMan755 Well not that petty, I was embellishing a bit. But he has done it before.

    • @SoldierMan755
      @SoldierMan755 3 роки тому +3

      @@niko_8208 **cough cough** Uncle Dane **cough cough**

    • @niko_8208
      @niko_8208 3 роки тому +1

      @@SoldierMan755 That's a bad cough you got there friend.

    • @SoldierMan755
      @SoldierMan755 3 роки тому +1

      @@niko_8208 I don't have a cough, I just have some internal bleeding in the lungs

  • @zephy8002
    @zephy8002 3 роки тому +2

    god i love the inclusion of star and jerma clip, made me tear up a little

  • @HermesSonofZeus
    @HermesSonofZeus 3 роки тому +1

    I like the review and ideas. Another thought to play with: increased knockback | jump force/height, 'launching yourself and your enemies' (noting that knockback is not always desirable).

  • @blacklight683
    @blacklight683 2 роки тому +5

    1:07aye men

  • @gastrodonte3435
    @gastrodonte3435 3 роки тому +29

    Don't put the rocket jump waltz there, it makes me feel sad. It makes us all feel sad

    • @dapperloser3025
      @dapperloser3025 3 роки тому +3

      im somewhat sure that listening to anything soldier related is a lil sad (rip rick may: you were real good maybe even the best)

    • @yeetinoofer2605
      @yeetinoofer2605 3 роки тому +1

      Depresso expresso

  • @Brackets_Guy
    @Brackets_Guy 3 роки тому +2

  • @TheAaaaaaaaaad12
    @TheAaaaaaaaaad12 3 роки тому +1

    i'm glad you still remember the ol ster_'s famous nickname weapon for the liberty launcher :D

  • @marieparisi4522
    @marieparisi4522 3 роки тому +24

    I am simple man, I see bad weapon academy, l click.

  • @flashter6101
    @flashter6101 3 роки тому +3

    I actually like the liberty launcher, so I’ll like that he made this

  • @jaredparks4713
    @jaredparks4713 3 роки тому +2

    I like when weapon sets work well together so I would buff the rocket jump resistance (Market Gardner combo), give it better launching prowess (Reserve Shooter combo), and trade the faster rockets for faster switch speed.

  • @MaestroMagnifico21
    @MaestroMagnifico21 9 місяців тому +1

    the last set is what i call "improved trolldier" since you still have at least a primary that does some damage unlike the rocket jumper

  • @Ne1vaan
    @Ne1vaan 3 роки тому +5

    You're completely wrong about the airstrike needing gunboats or the parachute. The parachute is actually atrocious with it as it really shines when you bomb at your opponents so a bunch of rockets land on them without damage falloff. Gunboats are solid for it, but the real pro move is a banner, particularly the backup or buff banner.

    • @26dollar
      @26dollar 3 роки тому

      tge real pro move is shotgun so tou have 8 rockets and 6 shells to protect your medic gf with

  • @Diemund1
    @Diemund1 2 роки тому +4

    Where is RocketManFran's comment?

    • @AngelicalFiend
      @AngelicalFiend 2 роки тому +1

      You just gotta use the most recent comments filter

  • @concorde837
    @concorde837 3 роки тому +1

    I like how the airborne armaments item set works here.

  • @marisanya
    @marisanya 3 роки тому

    These are all pretty cool. I'm inspired to use the Gunboats + LL set ^^

  • @BoggarthVT
    @BoggarthVT 2 роки тому +3

    How dare you insult my favorite weapon

  • @llmkursk8254
    @llmkursk8254 3 роки тому +49

    No, you’re going about the buff ideas all wrong. Hear me out:
    Faster reload speed. This is a buff rarely given out to weapons, and giving it to the Liberty Launcher would make it its own. It would help get rockets out faster, instead of waiting for the reload.

    • @ilikewindows3455
      @ilikewindows3455 3 роки тому +5

      @Zesty Zucc the lib is definitely not a crutch mate. The faster firing speed combined with a faster reload speed would make the weapon a lot more viable as a jack of all trades. Would it replace bad box conch meta or stock? Probably not. But would it make it be used a bit more than the air strike and beggars? Possibly.
      As where it stands right now, there's just no reason to use it. The playstyles it tries to middle ground with are just better off using the regular launchers. If you want damage, run stock. If you want projectile speed, run direct hit. If you want to rocket jump, run gun boats. If you want to trolldier, run rocket jumper.

  • @WingofTech
    @WingofTech 3 роки тому +1

    While the initial low sub count, this channel actually has a secret upside, great content. With this in addition to its compound growth potential over time.
    With a buff to channel sub count, and factory new videos that the TF2 community has always wanted to see, I could see this being the best channel in the game. 😎
    I’d say the transition between the combo suggestions and the buffs section is really well done but I’d maybe make it a little more obvious. Don’t get me wrong- I love 💕 the music choices between the explanations but I think it might get a bit confusing if you aren’t paying attention sometimes. ;3