Hope everyone is having a great Holiday week! We've been so excited to get this video posted and there was a little bit of fun shade being thrown around because, we just wanted to clarify, the Model Y Performance belongs to our editor and friend Rob, while the Mach E GT Performance belongs to Sofyan and his partner. We were a little short of time when filming this but we will plan to do a real world range test on both models in the Spring. Which one do you think actually goes farther on a full charge in the real world? Also, expect us to do a comparison test with the Ioniq 5 sometime early next year!
Hold on a minute! In the last video I watched, his partner was in the car with him. Was that not Rob then? I was sure he said he owned a Tesla? (His partner that is.) He said he was also the editor. I think! Is that not Rob then? 🤔🤯
Your reviews are usually spot on and unbiased but this time a little bit of bias showed through. A 0-60 time of 3.4 vs. 4.0 is not "a smidge" faster. Then later on you said that the 2 cars are neck to neck up to 60mph when the Ford starts cutting power. They can't be neck to neck if one does 3.4 and the other 4.0. They are neck to neck when the Ford starts before the Tesla.
I felt the bias by a huge margin with nearly each comment. Wish he had even considered having someone else review the Tesla (Rob) alongside him in this situation. I love redline reviews but this didn't give me a single sense of an unbiased comparison - even when clear cut facts don't line up. He also just didn't seem to be able to talk about the many many options I'm reading about for modifications to the Tesla (like the frunk can be modded as a cooler)
One topic you never brought up is the huge advantage of the Tesla Supercharging Network. I have bought the new Tesla CCS adapter so I can charge using almost any non-Tesla charger like Electrify America and I can verify that the Tesla Superchargers are much easier and less prone to hardware and software errors that plague Electrify America charging. The extra time I spent in trying to get my credit cards to work with the EA system really adds up and increases my charge time as well as many EA chargers are only 50 kw which is nearly always slower than any Tesla supercharger. Until the Supercharger is fixed on non-Tesla chargers I would have to say the Model Y always wins on the comparison for doing road trips.
Certainly I think the vast majority of drivers will not notice or care for a half second difference in straight line performance. Tesla always uses their straight line performance as a convenient crutch, but in actuality it makes little to no difference in driving experience. I sort of think every "negative" thing about Tesla is instantly dismissed by many because "ohhh performance!" but truly all electric vehicles are very fast. Faster than vehicles of those sizes have any right to be. You won't notice the marginal performance gain, and once you discount performance you soon realize Tesla has next to nothing going for it over competitors. Luckily, Supercharging network is a big deal otherwise Tesla would be pushed out of the market. I think its important to note though that the Mach E is nothing too impressive either. Certainly Hyundai and KIA are pushing out higher quality cars that are more practical for most people. If I had to choose between a Model Y and a Mach E, I'd choose the model Y. But a Model Y versus an Ioniq 5? Hands down goes to Hyundai.
Did I miss your unbiased review/comparison/locations of robust and fast charging networks, of which is significant if ones plans a vacation trip or lives in an apartment/condo? Also, ½ second from 0-60 is quite material if you watch racing channels, not just close as you mention. You seemed to miss the total vehicle remote control, sentry mode, etc via mobile app for both, also tow option/capacity, snow features, etc... Not a bad initial comparison but I feel that you wanted to only compare what the Mustang has, not what Tesla has above and beyond the Ford.
i love such reviews. who blaime tesla for a back mirror which is loose as the only faulty thing they found in the whole car haha. and even that is subjectiv. and he mentioned : oh those gaps i saw, no video footage. no comparison to ford, ..... such videos re assure me that i made right decision to order tesla
Half second is only a huge difference when you’re racing. When you’re cross shopping a half second is not big enough of a difference, they’re both essentially offering similar performance in the real world. I think some Tesla fans just want to be told over and over that their charging network can’t be beat, or that their battery density is ahead of competitors, when they should be as majority of Tesla competitors are just getting started.
Mach-E looks better inside and out, it has a true sports car styling. Also seems like it is easier to use, especially if its your first EV its a nice simple transition. Mach-E is the clear winner in my eyes
Everytime I see your friend flipping the finger in the Shadow on the ground I laughed really loud. You guys are amazing thanks for this comparison video. Definitely 2 of the best out there and I think someone can't go wrong to buy either one of those
@@MiguelRPD right at the beginning in the first 4-5 minutes IIRC you'll see him on the ground hahahahahahaha then again in the reflection of the window later. Again the shadow and after his reflection in the paint.
@@tngo4042 i don't think it's just software. They said it was the range. But I also heard that it was the heat problem that they couldn't overcome. Those buyers hoping they will get software updates should not hold their breath. Software update is not Ford's strong point, as owners have seen with OTA bricking their cars if they get OTA updates at all. In the meantime, Teslas get regular OTAs every few weeks that add new features and improve driveability. Legacy automakers just can't match the software expertise of Tesla.
@@theredline I think a lot of people on your channel forget that enthusiasts are not the target market for most vehicle sales. When they gather focus groups it represents the average consumer and they need those sales above all, Ford played it safe by using name and brand recognition to launch their first electric car and it seems to have been the right move.
File the Mustang moniker under " there's no such thing as bad publicity" and the Ford marketing team knows it. There were so many conversations about the name and each one brought more attention to the car.
Thanks for the demo, I test drove both. I’ll be honest the Mach E GT drives great, feels more solid than the Tesla and I prefer the design. To me the Mach E GT is better quality period.
The 225's on the Select and Premium are pitiful. I believe the stock wheel can safely hold 245's without issue. That's my plan. I don't need to worry about maximizing the 277 mile range.
Yup. Skinny tires on the Mach E GT was one of the deal breakers for me. Model 3 Performance is noticeably quicker AND 10k cheaper. I went with a Y performance which is STILL quicker, 9k cheaper and has the cargo space I need.
It cracks me up when people are complaining about a .6 second difference in 0-60 times. In real world driving this makes no difference and isn’t even an issue.
I am a fan of the Mach E it looks really good compared to the Model Y but damn ford messed up by only giving you full power for 5 seconds, compared to the Tesla where you get full power all the time and will smoke the Mach E, disappointing for me a bit i feel ford could’ve gone all out on the power department, eventually i feel they will have to upgrade that. But tesla is still king! Although the Mach E looks ten thousand times better
Thanks for the great comparison. I looked at both the Model Y and the Mach-E before finally purchasing the Tesla. The downsides for the Mach-E for me - at 6'7" tall, my knees hit the edges of the vertical screen, the Ford dealer wanted a large "market adjustment" over MSRP to sell the vehicle, and the charging network experience for the Ford is still not on par with Tesla. Definitely like where Ford is going and I will surely look at a real EV Mustang coupe when it releases. That blue spec looks great.
I am a Professional chauffeur, Drive both Model Y performance and Mark E GT, yes model y is a bit faster than Mark E, But the model Y is bumpy and ride comfort is crappy, even several of my riders have pointed out, also would have rattling noise at times, body gaps are bad, not even, paint finish not that great, Mark E ride is comfortable and finish all around is top notch, We also got the Model S, it is also a bit rough but better than model Y. I am 6" 8 180
The Mach E is a great car, no doubt. I would say if you road trip a lot the Tesla is still far ahead, if speed is your thing obviously the Tesla is faster. If you like getting attention then the Mach E is the one to have. Honestly, hard to go wrong here, both pretty great at what they do
Every explanation anyone gives about it actually being a mustang can be used for other Ford models that weren't called a mustang. It's marketing not a mustang
I'm very interested to see if Ford scales back the battery protections a bit as they start to get real-world data on how the batteries are holding up. I just got a Mach-E Permium 4x, and the 0-60 in 4.8 feels plenty fast in the real world, but I wouldn't complain about updates that give me more speed. Ford has already released at least one update that improves the charging curve to it takes less time to fast charge.
So lets get this straight. The Ford is $2000 more money, has a bigger battery that has less range, takes longer and more money to charge, and is slower. Also, tesla has a massive super charger network. But you’d rather have the Ford? You a vert special butterfly aren’t you? =)
You mentioned that you're not sure of the range prediction accuracy for the two cars. I hope since you and Rob own these vehicles that there will be future videos that delves into which range is longer. It's interesting that the Mustang has the bigger battery, but has a lower range estimate.
Rob, I'm siding with you on this comparison. You optioned the Model Y perfect. Personally I prefer the cleaner look of the Model Y, not because I'm a fan boy by any means, just side by side, the Mach E has some strange proportions. As always, great review guys!
I just appreciate that we're getting more options in the space. Almost got a Rav4 Prime instead of my Y, but Toyota doesn't wanna sell those. Looking forward to the day where I can get a car-lookin' car with 400 miles of range, and even Tesla's not doing that much range outside of the $100+k line-up.
Great comparison. Really appreciate the work that got out into this. Even with your bias, it's Tesla MYP all day over the Mach E GT for me! Also, they were not even up to 60mph. The Mach E got a jump because of the audio delay. The fact that the MYP was even to that point before pulling away shows just how much faster it actually is lol!
My friend has one of the first few Mach E. It has so many issues. In fact, it has been in the dealership for a few months now because of no parts available. On the good side, Ford provided him with a Fusion.
@@Trades46 False, I had to have something repaired and Tesla provided me an Enterprise rental. They actually finished the service quicker than expected and it was an overall pain free experience.
Like Tesla s perfect come on. I had a 19 Model S and it had so many sudden battety drain, water seepage into cabin,.. Rattles and lot f issues. Many are trying every bit to make Ford a stupid brand.. Sure they ve been stupid for some time.. Now at least they r trying.. Give em some credit for a 1st attempt that has gotten so much attention and is frankly a very good BeV
Thoroughly enjoyed this in depth review from an actual owner and appreciated your opinion whether or not biased. I have a MY and love it but I really love the Mach E's exterior styling, especially in that gorgeous blue colour. The interior though doesn't feel as modern or futuristic as Tesla's, including the seats. The Ford's interior could be that of any other ICE cars so the uniqueness is not there. However I do love that Ford gives the Mach E screen behind the steering wheel. I wish Tesla provides this to the M3 and MY. Or at the very least give us a HUD. All in all thank you for this awesome review.
All EV’s have some power reduction with heat, SOC, etc - in fact, so do ICE cars with heat soak etc… I own a MME GT and it’s a blast 0-80mph, which is where 99% drive
I did a test drive on both recently and the Model Y wins hands down. Went ahead and placed my order on the Tesla. Also, the interface on the Mach-E is extremely laggy
Are you kidding?! Unbridled Extend mode limits power so the car doesn’t overheat. Mach E has terrible thermals and according to Ford, it’s only giving you max power for 5 seconds. On the track of any kind, the model Y will destroy the Mach E GT performance.
I just don't like the huge computer screen in any EV especially in the vertical arrangement but the huge volume knob in the Mach-e is totally ridiculous like they were listening to all the complaints about no knob and said here take this. I have test driven the standard versions of both these cars and the ride and interior design of the Tesla were a hard no for me. The regular version of the Ford had a slight hesitation when accelerating which made it also a definite no as were the seats which i could not get comfortable in. Wouldn't mind trying this version of the Mach e to see if it solved these issues for me but the overheating problem again makes it a hard pass. Likely I will just get the EV6 GT which has a range issue but otherwise I prefer in every way.
Great comparison. I'm not a big fan of the Tesla styling but as far as straight line performance it's not even a close comparison. A .5s from 0-60 is a huge gap. The range test can be done in various conditions including cold weather and warm weather as long as they're the same condition for both cars. That would be interesting to see how they perform in various condition. Thanks for the video!
The video I've been waiting for. The mach e still have advantage on the price because that $7500 is still available. Was going to order the model Y but I just see too many of them on the road. Ended up ordering the mach E California route 1 trim. Dealership told me the waiting time is about 6 months. not bad!
@@bgaff7590 on the website right now I only get to 66k for a Tesla Model Y performance when you are adding 3k in colors (Red and white). So if you can pass on Red, and get Black interior like the Mach-e has, it is much closer.
WTF i usually have these videos on in the background so i miss a lot, but it looks to me like Sofyan has been hitting the weights or something, lookin' good my dude.
The glass roof of Tesla makes the back seat more spacious. MachE has a legacy glass insert in the metal roof. Looks similar but not the same. Even if you compare the side lines, MachE is having a black painted part that goes higher than Tesla‘s roof line. Just disguised by the black paint, so roof line of coloured elements looks exactly the same. Still MacjE has smaller space inside. Looks cramped
Well done comparison. Thanks guys. I like the design of the MachE however its too heavy and inefficient and they need a lighter interior color option. It will be super interesting when Tesla starts delivering ModelY with structural 4680 battery and front & rear casting from giga Texas. The Tesla is gonna be hundreds of pounds lighter still and performance will get even crazier. Tesla should consider offering a more bolstered seat option for their performance models. Cheers
BTW I should've said I love your work, you're one of my favorite CarTubers, and this was another great one. You did a very good job at being fair to both cars, which is a credit to you given that you were reviewing your own personal car. Both great cars. I came down pretty much where you did -- the Y might be slightly ahead overall on the measurable metrics and has better software too, but the MME is close in all the ways that matter to me, and so much prettier and more distinctive. Still, if I could've gotten a Y Performance and been able to avail myself of the tax credit it would've been a closer thing. One big difference in the buying and ownership experiences is that the Tesla experience is more or less uniform while the Ford experience is *extremely* dependent on the dealership you're dealing with. I was fortunate to already have a very good relationship with a very good dealer who doesn't play games and offers the cars at sticker.
Dude I love your reviews man. One of the best car reviewers on UA-cam! I like the GT, I dont love it.. I agree with you on the front end of the model Y - no different than model 3. I own the performance model 3 and I still wish it had a front screen the size of the one on your GT. Thats the perfect size... I also agree on the build quality ( door not feeling solid when you shut it) on my Tesla. My other vehicle is an Audi Q5e and Tesla cant hold a candle to it in terms of build quality and overall fit and finish.. When are you are going to do an Audi Q5e review?!
@@arvins.7064 lol I can’t wait until the mainstream brands start mass producing EV’s and give Tesla a run for its money. Tired of people overhyping them they don’t even have good quality control
3995$? That's expensive! You can buy a Tata nano for 2500$ brand new ( in the east) comes loaded with features like roll up windows and weight savings such as no airbags! You can still hypothetically buy a base spark or mirage for around 13 to 14k here in the states new but lower your expectations, and then tell yourself that it's fast compared to walking. It'll get to 60 going downhill in under a minute if you change the speedo to km.
@@CalmDownShh my first new vehicle was a 2005 F350 Harley Edition Crewcab diesel that I paid $63,000.00 Canadian. Kept it for 15 years and sold it for $20,000
Imagine paying over $60k for the Mach E GT PERFORMANCE and barely getting over 100mph in 1/4 because of the poor thermals. I definitely think it looks better than the Model Y though. I think Kia EV6 GT is a better competitor for model Y Performance.
Already at 105 mph trap. While not 115mph like it should be for the power, I can say owning my MME GT and driving to 80mph where I spend most of my time, 0-80 is a blast - I came from a model 3 Performance which was quicker, but I don’t miss it
@@andrewrae50 Hey! Can you tell us why don't you miss your Model 3 Performance? Curious to know. And to be fair, 105mph is faster than any stage 1 STi ever trapped, so it ain't that bad.
@@karmahunden so here is an update! I did get frustrated with the Mach E GT and power limitations, among other little issues and sold it for a chunk more than I paid for it. I ordered it and took delivery of a 22 Model 3 Performance / had an 18 before, and absolutely love the new model 3 performance/ its seriously a better vehicle then my Mach E GT in many ways. Yes it’s not a direct competitor, but I don’t miss the Mach E GT
It’s not about which one is better it’s about preference. Making excuses why a car is not performing shows your preference. Ford’s product is good enough. There is a market for it. Make no mistake there is no comparison to the tech in the Tesla. The Model Y is way more advance and some are not ready to embrace that. The Ford is for them as some people want to keep their buttons.
There are a lot of good reasons to get the Tesla, but I would get the Ford because it looks much better, and handles better, and I believe still qualifies for a tax credit. And it has a screen in front of you, which is just smart.
And your gonna ignore the fact that it only gets full power for 5 seconds before overheating? I'd suggest you drive one first. I did 3 hard launches before the car overheated and I couldn't launch it. Then I test drove a Model Y. 11 launches and still no overheating. The MachE isn't very well engineering in terms of the powertrain. Considering it costs a lot more than a Model Y, even with the tax credit it isn't any cheaper. The 4X premium was the sweet spot, but Ford raised prices 2-3K.
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 amen. The Tesla has a 10 year head start and it shows. The charging infrastructure alone should be enough to convince you to get the Tesla.
Mustang Mach E failed the moose test when testing the stability of the car. They stated the it is a true mustang because its handling is poor unlike the Model Y which passed the test. I'm glad they made a car like this, but they have some some work to do to get it to compare to the Tesla.
As much as I like driving Teslas I can't tell one from the other in a parking lot. I appreciate your opinion on how they need to differentiate their models. It's all in time ;)
I'm glad Ford's making its way into the EV market but Tesla has the legacy manufacturers by the balls. Batteries. It's all about the batteries. All the legacy makers can whip up all the concepts and copycats they want but they dont have the batteries. They're all scrambling to find a third party to supply them with batteries meanwhile Tesla is manufacturing their own and using their "overvalued" market cap to buy up the remaining third party supply. This is the key to EV success, Elon knows it and so does the rest of the auto industry. I agree that Tesla's auto design needs improvment but as far as manufacturing and the business end goes, they are strangling legacy manufacturers with their own outdated business model. Another factor kneecapping the legacys is the fact that they need to commit a massive amount of resources to their existing ICE models while Tesla can put everything they have into EVs. Also, Tesla isnt just an auto manufacturer, they're investing major capital in industrial and residential solar power/battery solutions, HVAC systems and comunications infrastructure. Tesla is linked to SpaceX where the two companies are complimenting each others technologies. The vertical integration employed by Tesla is light years ahead of any other auto manufacturer. It feels eerily like when the original iPhone was introduced. People are complaining about their physical buttons missing on Teslas. I remember missing buttons on my phone too... at least for a second.
Love the plate. Also love how you test hit the Y once each direction then that the Stang multiple times in effort to reach what Ford states then go on to give reasons as to why it can't. I'm really interested in the F150 Lightening myself.
Sure, I’m a bit bias. That said, I do like the exterior styling of the Mach E and I agree Tesla should have done a bit more to make the Performance model stand out. That said, I also enjoy the “sleeper” 🤣 aspect. I can also hand it for Ford for built quality, and that comes with experience. Now, all that said, Tesla is also heavily invested in Software. We were just provided a massive software update that added new features, restructured UI and some of Tesla’s signature new goodies. And similar to iPhones, Teslas will only get better over time purely through frequent software updates (also pushed OTA). It’s highly unlikely Ford will make any significant improvements with software. But will be interesting to see. Should you have a software update, will it come OTA or will you have to take it to Ford? Will your average tech or salesman know about these updates? Finally, when it comes to Full Self Driving, I’m in the beta and I can say it’s already impressive. It has a way to go, but the pace of improvement is massive and I think this will be a very different discussion even next year. ✌️
I bought the Performance Y. The fact that the Y is quicker and can do it over and over while the GT overheats after a couple quick runs makes it an easy choice. The Ford is a good first effort but needs work. It would have been nice if Ford did the work before selling them. As far as looks I prefer the Tesla as it looks much more modern but looks are subjective.
Was considering a Mach E and even placed an order on one before researching all the problems with fast charging compatibility errors. That, decreased range, and inferior performance vs. Tesla was a no-go. Plus Tesla’s interior is slightly updated for 2021 (matte black vs gloss black) and constant software updates make it a more compelling case, not to mention unrivaled Tesla network chargers. And I’m willing to bet that a Tesla MY LR with performance boost will keep up with, if not exceed, the Mach E GT Performance. And Ford doesn’t exactly have the best reputation for reliability plus first 1-2 years of a new vehicle will always have bugs that may be corrected in future years (ie Tesla’s build quality, while still not stellar, has improved in recent years) I do concede that the Mach E’s interior looks more premium and wish that Tesla had Apple Car Play compatibility and XM Radio. And the Mach E definitely looks less generic but I would argue more polarizing. The Tesla MY’s proportions just don’t look as good vs. M3 (almost like the Tesla is a bloated M3). If you don’t need an SUV (let’s face it, sedans are more fun to drive due to center of gravity), go for the Tesla M3 LR and get the performance boost. At around $53K, that’s the more compelling choice IMO.
I thought the same. I like the look of the GT better but tesla has more range, performance, etc. It forced me to choose neither. Once someone comes out with tesla performance and range, with better looks and a front trunk (bmw, Mercedes etc don't have front trunks), I will but it.
@@geno816 , Lucid Air is a beautiful car with a much more premium interior than Tesla or Ford but its price makes it more aspirational. Maybe they’ll come out with a less expensive model ($50K range plus tax credit) that is more attainable.
@@socalsp3 No way. M3 has a solid suspension. I have a M3 LR and drive a LOT of cars. Aside from air suspension, it's one of the best, just a bit low to the ground.
enjoyed seeing the side by side comparison. it's a bit funny that you say you are focused on performance but then give Ford the edge with soft things like how you like the look better :) in any case, keep up the good work and thanks for disclosing that you own the Mach-E so the bias is upfront
"My gripe with the car is that other people have it and I see too many on the road"...lol. That's a really bizzare thing to not like about the car. Tesla has more real world range especially in colder temps, superior supercharger network, and fast advanced UI. But yes the Ford has a nice baby blue color.
Drove both kept the Mach-E for 1 week. I have to tell you the Mach-E is way more fun to drive factor than the relatively numb MY. Maybe its the higher Torque. But the Mach-E def felt more powerful and sportier. The numbers might not show it, but I Mach-E is for sure the better Drivers enthusiast car than the MY> For the record I just got a 2023 M3P. And that took care of all the deficiencies of the MYP imo
If you like the idea of having four or five charging apps on your phone, three types of leads in the trunk, oh and hassle with a multitude of credit cards .... *every* time you charge, get the Mach E
He says I’m gonna try to sound unbiased. LOL, he doesn’t realize the entire vid he sounded biased towards his own vehicle, Mach E. In every objective measure Tesla wins, but in subjective/ personal options he thinks Mach E is better.
Personally I hate the fake grille on the Mach-E, I don't like the dash in the Mach-E or the screen, and CarPlay really means that Ford's copping out on UI design. Coupled with my local Ford dealer options all being sleazy, the Model Y was my choice. That said, I don't like the front fascia on my Y, but I knew about Unplugged Performance's Ascension bumper cover, and that gets rid of the snout. This was a pretty good review, but at this point choices seem to be between what's available and basically if you hate Tesla. Kind of how people avoid Apple for illogical reasons.
No one buying a electric car is going to notice the acceleration difference in either car , they are both driven by very , very normal people. The mach E is just a nicer overall car
Also have to say the Mid 2021 (Updated Cabin) is much better fit and finish. No “flimsy mirror” issues. Sure a $60,000 car should have zero, but every car can have a flaw. They are getting much better as time goes on. Software updates help a lot. Once Texas is up and running they will be even better.
Focus on more mechanical refinement than all this "tech" talk. There are brands Tesla will compete with that do mechanical refinement much, much better and use tech to accomplish ride/handling dynamics that are on a much higher level than where Tesla is. I saw Savage Geese talk about the tech in Cadillac's suspensions and Porsche's and its incredible how much tech goes into those chassis and electronics that control the chassis. But you have to have the right materials, geometry and calibrations first.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Sure I get it. Mechanical refinements are going to happen from auto makers like Cadillac and Porsche. Cadillac has been around for 119 years. Porsche for 90. Tesla’s first car was released in 2008. Tesla will improve. Mass production is hard.
Very good description and comparison video ! I have both on order, Model Y coming in November and Mach E coming in July next year. I will decide next year which to buy when Mach E is due for delivery :))
I test drove both cars multiple times and went with the Mustang Mach-E GT. Teslas are fun to drive but boring to look at. MYP is definitely a bit quicker but good lord, the rattling in my testers was absurd not to mention the ride quality is hard on your internal organs. In daily driving, the GT gets to illegal speeds within 5 seconds and is very comfortable. It turns heads out on the road and stands out in a sea of Teslas.
Love your channel but unfortunately this is not one of your best review/comparison videos. Despite your efforts to the contrary your bias for the mustang Mach e clearly shows in many of your comments (example: "mustang Mach e GT offers similar performance to the Tesla model Yp" when the in reality the Tesla will put over a bus length on the mustang in a race) Also stating one of the reasons you recommend the mustang Mach e over the Tesla is for "the looks" which is something completely subjective based on the viewer and should not used in an unbiased comparison. Both vehicles have their pros and cons obviously, but your attempts to paint the mustang mach E in a more favorable light due to your bias is pretty obvious and kind of hurts the overall quality of this comparison. Just my 2 cents
As a fanboy of both Tesla and Ford, this was a fair assessment. There were a few minor incorrect statements on both sides and also there were a few minor positive and negative things missed on both sides, so again a fair assessment. I find it interesting that the Ford has a lot bigger battery than the Tesla yet lower range and acceleration. Both companies did a great job. BTW, I own both a 2022 Tesla Model Y Performance and a 620HP 2007 Shelby Mustang so again, I am a fanboy of both sides. But the Tesla blows away the Shelby on the street.
@@ericship8383 - LUCID is a MASSIVE FRAUD. it got 520 miles with a 140 kwh battery, thats DUMB Range , and NOT Efficient. the LUCID weighs Hundreds lbs MORE than the PLAID w/ 3 motors. TESLA is FACTUALLY Still the MOST Efficient PRODUCTION car in the WORLD. LUCID will be DEAD in late 2022, when it runs OUT of CASH. Do your own Research.
Ok, so I’m 3 mins in...and I know you’re disappointed that the Tesla doesn’t add anything on the nose of their performance variant to let everyone know it’s special...and you like the Mustang styling (seriously?) and really like that the horsey lights up (and only on the performance model!). Sheesh. I have a couple questions for you about your Mustang. How exactly do you plan on taking trips with it? How long do you think your Ford is going to last, especially your battery pack? How much value do you expect it to retain? All I can say is that I hope you leased it. And when you’re finally ready for a Tesla, have the good sense to purchase it and keep it for basically the rest of your life (cause yeah, it will pretty much last that long). Btw, are you missing all those OTA updates yet?
You will notice that the Mach E can have full acceleration for 5 seconds before power cuts out. Also regen braking overheats when going downhill. Blue cruise system only works in a straight line. These are things that paid auto reviewers will never tell you.
Right now, there are 2 recalls for the Mach-e and complaints about peeling paint, misaligned roofs, squeaks on the inside by the center screen and bad axles. Pretty typical for any car with a Ford badge on it. So quality isn't something a Mach-E owner should be crowing about.
I find it interesting that when discussing appearance issues, it's not that you "prefer" the Mach E styling, but instead you say "Ford did a better job". You lose credibility with me with that type of rhetoric. It's obvious that Ford copied the Tesla Y to a large extent. I prefer the Tesla styling but I understand that some will prefer the Ford. So what? The Tesla Y Performance ride is pretty bumpy but the Long Range with the 19" wheels has a noticeably better ride. It's fair to say that there's room for improvement, however.
I didn't hear you mention the tire size on the GT. I was behind one yesterday and they really looked skinny. The car itself looks very narrow from behind like it would tip over during an aggressive turn.
Long-time follower here and always appreciate your honest reviews... but your bias was a little hard to ignore, as the owner of the Mustang. So at the end, you essentially picked it as the better car because it's better looking and you get more stares? That's really subjective. It's a long video, but I don't think you got into charging infrastructure at all, which is arguably the biggest benefit of putting your $60K+ into a Tesla.
Model Y looks like an egg. The Mach E and the Ionic 5 look AMAZING, both interior and exterior. Hats off to Tesla for kicking off the segment though and the low dash is something I like about all Teslas. I'd personally by the Mach E GT out of all 3, not even a question.
As a mustang Saleen owner i really dont mind the fact the Mach'e is designated as a mustang. if it helps with sales and the uplifting on the name im all for it. Now that said.. years ago i was staunchly against any non 2 door sports car being called a mustang. And many people wanted the mustang to go 4 doors. I thought such people were nuts, looking to destroy the brand, it didnt make sense back then, but today it sorta does, why? because i understand the mach-e is and isnt a real mustang. OK its like this. The car.. the standard sedan be it luxury 2 door 4 door hatchback you name it is mostly an obsolete vehicle in the eyes of the buying masses. That spot has been taken over by the SUV and for good reason, you get alot more for your dollar. More space better seating equal gas mileage, and sometimes equal or even better performance. No its not a sports car, but for average sales an suv will sell better and that makes for a healthier company and brand. SO.. go ahead call this mach-e a mustang, as its name should be represented in that class of vehicles. so yes its a mustang twice removed so to speak. But we all know what the real mustang is. And we also know its under threat by the signs of the times. global warming, inflation, pollution restrictions. Many of the things that makes a mustang great will not be welcomed in the near future, as such even the mustang sports car will undergo change. Likely going first hybrid and later full EV. And at best the old venerable V8 will be a pollution taxed limited run offering. And who knows how long that will last with the younger generations and their particular likes and dislikes towards a V8 versus Electric propulsion. time will tell. so i say let the Mustang mach-e fight the good fight and become a great vehicle in its own right. but we also must be mindful for the future of the real mustang.
Hope everyone is having a great Holiday week! We've been so excited to get this video posted and there was a little bit of fun shade being thrown around because, we just wanted to clarify, the Model Y Performance belongs to our editor and friend Rob, while the Mach E GT Performance belongs to Sofyan and his partner. We were a little short of time when filming this but we will plan to do a real world range test on both models in the Spring. Which one do you think actually goes farther on a full charge in the real world? Also, expect us to do a comparison test with the Ioniq 5 sometime early next year!
Wait?! Rob isn’t his partner?
@@johnbcardin No!
Hold on a minute! In the last video I watched, his partner was in the car with him. Was that not Rob then? I was sure he said he owned a Tesla? (His partner that is.) He said he was also the editor. I think! Is that not Rob then? 🤔🤯
@@skid_mark I’ve been trying to figure it out as well and, best I can figure… He’s buzy 💅🏼 I’ve
@@skid_mark His partner is Keith! Sofyan owned a Model 3 before.
Props to Rob for not missing a beat with firing back with a silent, visible flipping of the bird whilst continuing to perform his job.
Rob is truly a professional
Rob had me dyingggg lmbooo The wave and then the bird flip 😭😭😭
Your reviews are usually spot on and unbiased but this time a little bit of bias showed through. A 0-60 time of 3.4 vs. 4.0 is not "a smidge" faster. Then later on you said that the 2 cars are neck to neck up to 60mph when the Ford starts cutting power. They can't be neck to neck if one does 3.4 and the other 4.0. They are neck to neck when the Ford starts before the Tesla.
I completely agree. To me the Y is a better car by a substantial margin.
I felt the bias by a huge margin with nearly each comment. Wish he had even considered having someone else review the Tesla (Rob) alongside him in this situation. I love redline reviews but this didn't give me a single sense of an unbiased comparison - even when clear cut facts don't line up.
He also just didn't seem to be able to talk about the many many options I'm reading about for modifications to the Tesla (like the frunk can be modded as a cooler)
Are you talking about racing or driving? Racing is irrelevant for most people that have actually grown up
Cheers
One topic you never brought up is the huge advantage of the Tesla Supercharging Network. I have bought the new Tesla CCS adapter so I can charge using almost any non-Tesla charger like Electrify America and I can verify that the Tesla Superchargers are much easier and less prone to hardware and software errors that plague Electrify America charging. The extra time I spent in trying to get my credit cards to work with the EA system really adds up and increases my charge time as well as many EA chargers are only 50 kw which is nearly always slower than any Tesla supercharger. Until the Supercharger is fixed on non-Tesla chargers I would have to say the Model Y always wins on the comparison for doing road trips.
Certainly I think the vast majority of drivers will not notice or care for a half second difference in straight line performance. Tesla always uses their straight line performance as a convenient crutch, but in actuality it makes little to no difference in driving experience. I sort of think every "negative" thing about Tesla is instantly dismissed by many because "ohhh performance!" but truly all electric vehicles are very fast. Faster than vehicles of those sizes have any right to be. You won't notice the marginal performance gain, and once you discount performance you soon realize Tesla has next to nothing going for it over competitors. Luckily, Supercharging network is a big deal otherwise Tesla would be pushed out of the market.
I think its important to note though that the Mach E is nothing too impressive either. Certainly Hyundai and KIA are pushing out higher quality cars that are more practical for most people. If I had to choose between a Model Y and a Mach E, I'd choose the model Y. But a Model Y versus an Ioniq 5? Hands down goes to Hyundai.
Did I miss your unbiased review/comparison/locations of robust and fast charging networks, of which is significant if ones plans a vacation trip or lives in an apartment/condo? Also, ½ second from 0-60 is quite material if you watch racing channels, not just close as you mention. You seemed to miss the total vehicle remote control, sentry mode, etc via mobile app for both, also tow option/capacity, snow features, etc... Not a bad initial comparison but I feel that you wanted to only compare what the Mustang has, not what Tesla has above and beyond the Ford.
i love such reviews. who blaime tesla for a back mirror which is loose as the only faulty thing they found in the whole car haha.
and even that is subjectiv. and he mentioned : oh those gaps i saw, no video footage. no comparison to ford, .....
such videos re assure me that i made right decision to order tesla
I think this is what you call a unbiased biased video. And this is coming from someone is a complete neutral
Half second is only a huge difference when you’re racing. When you’re cross shopping a half second is not big enough of a difference, they’re both essentially offering similar performance in the real world.
I think some Tesla fans just want to be told over and over that their charging network can’t be beat, or that their battery density is ahead of competitors, when they should be as majority of Tesla competitors are just getting started.
Mach-E looks better inside and out, it has a true sports car styling. Also seems like it is easier to use, especially if its your first EV its a nice simple transition. Mach-E is the clear winner in my eyes
Must be why they’re selling so well 😂
I'm not going to lie .... the Tesla looks more sleek and modern despite being an older design
Older? It’s like 6 months older lol
It looks boring if you ask me. Too simplistic
Everytime I see your friend flipping the finger in the Shadow on the ground I laughed really loud. You guys are amazing thanks for this comparison video. Definitely 2 of the best out there and I think someone can't go wrong to buy either one of those
@Jay I thought that was really funny too! 😂
His “friend” lmfao
When
@@MiguelRPD right at the beginning in the first 4-5 minutes IIRC you'll see him on the ground hahahahahahaha then again in the reflection of the window later. Again the shadow and after his reflection in the paint.
Lmao
Rob's hand shadows cracked me up. 🤣
Half a second slower to 60, loss of power after 5 seconds, that's pretty embarrassing for "GT Performance" lol.
True and I think if Ford don’t change that with Software updates, they will lose some followers/buyers including me
@@tngo4042 i don't think it's just software. They said it was the range. But I also heard that it was the heat problem that they couldn't overcome. Those buyers hoping they will get software updates should not hold their breath. Software update is not Ford's strong point, as owners have seen with OTA bricking their cars if they get OTA updates at all. In the meantime, Teslas get regular OTAs every few weeks that add new features and improve driveability. Legacy automakers just can't match the software expertise of Tesla.
@@leebr2010 Great points Brian......And thus on my other post, my contemplation of following through with purchase when it's ready May-June Timeframe
@@tngo4042 Will you keep your Saturn?
Then after he loses the quarter mile he claims the 0-60 is close to even. Nope
This car would be received much better if they just left it at Mach E.
Ford sells every one of these they can build, people obviously got over the Mustang name or they just didn't care.
@@theredline I think a lot of people on your channel forget that enthusiasts are not the target market for most vehicle sales. When they gather focus groups it represents the average consumer and they need those sales above all, Ford played it safe by using name and brand recognition to launch their first electric car and it seems to have been the right move.
@@theredline I'm a first time Ford buyer because of this car.
@@anthonyc8499 me too, I like this car, I am a ford guy, but I don't mind owning this
File the Mustang moniker under " there's no such thing as bad publicity" and the Ford marketing team knows it. There were so many conversations about the name and each one brought more attention to the car.
Tesla is a company that manufactures electric vehicles. Ford is an ICE manufacturer that happens to produce a couple EV’s. Big difference.
Enjoy Tesla's vampire/phantom drain. Really puts a dent in their efficiency
Ford is a vehicle company. They'll make whatever type of vehicle that they can sell.
Or a Tech company that happens to build vehicles
Thanks for the demo, I test drove both. I’ll be honest the Mach E GT drives great, feels more solid than the Tesla and I prefer the design. To me the Mach E GT is better quality period.
1:08. The finger LOL
The Ford looks much much better, it actually has a design and not just a jelly bean on wheels like the Tesla.
Love the styling of the mach-E. But I feel they should've put wider tires. Or an off set look for GT model.
Definitely should have 20x9.5 width instead of the skinny assed, anemic 20x8… 🤦
I own one and totally agree
The 225's on the Select and Premium are pitiful. I believe the stock wheel can safely hold 245's without issue. That's my plan. I don't need to worry about maximizing the 277 mile range.
Yup. Skinny tires on the Mach E GT was one of the deal breakers for me. Model 3 Performance is noticeably quicker AND 10k cheaper. I went with a Y performance which is STILL quicker, 9k cheaper and has the cargo space I need.
It cracks me up when people are complaining about a .6 second difference in 0-60 times. In real world driving this makes no difference and isn’t even an issue.
That's what the one who lost always say.
I am a fan of the Mach E it looks really good compared to the Model Y but damn ford messed up by only giving you full power for 5 seconds, compared to the Tesla where you get full power all the time and will smoke the Mach E, disappointing for me a bit i feel ford could’ve gone all out on the power department, eventually i feel they will have to upgrade that. But tesla is still king! Although the Mach E looks ten thousand times better
Thanks for the great comparison. I looked at both the Model Y and the Mach-E before finally purchasing the Tesla. The downsides for the Mach-E for me - at 6'7" tall, my knees hit the edges of the vertical screen, the Ford dealer wanted a large "market adjustment" over MSRP to sell the vehicle, and the charging network experience for the Ford is still not on par with Tesla. Definitely like where Ford is going and I will surely look at a real EV Mustang coupe when it releases. That blue spec looks great.
I am a Professional chauffeur, Drive both Model Y performance and Mark E GT, yes model y is a bit faster than Mark E, But the model Y is bumpy and ride comfort is crappy, even several of my riders have pointed out, also would have rattling noise at times, body gaps are bad, not even, paint finish not that great, Mark E ride is comfortable and finish all around is top notch, We also got the Model S, it is also a bit rough but better than model Y. I am 6" 8 180
"Market adjustment " ...Ha You made the right choice...
Hows the Model Y holding up? Has it started falling apart yet? How many service appointments have you had lmao?
@@cessealbeach the Mach E is better in every way, but the Tesla dick riders love dollar tree quality cars.
Rob didn’t know his shadow was in the shot 😆 1:08
oh he knew lol
@@jacoryc I think he did too! 😂
Buy something that's actually made in America and not Mexico. Go with Tesla.
This might be the most disappointing thing about the Mach-E
hahaha... so much for American e-muscle
The Mach E is a great car, no doubt. I would say if you road trip a lot the Tesla is still far ahead, if speed is your thing obviously the Tesla is faster. If you like getting attention then the Mach E is the one to have. Honestly, hard to go wrong here, both pretty great at what they do
Or if you like tax credits
RAY - NOPE, Muck-e is a TURD , see the MUNRO Teardown of this car.
Every explanation anyone gives about it actually being a mustang can be used for other Ford models that weren't called a mustang. It's marketing not a mustang
I'm very interested to see if Ford scales back the battery protections a bit as they start to get real-world data on how the batteries are holding up. I just got a Mach-E Permium 4x, and the 0-60 in 4.8 feels plenty fast in the real world, but I wouldn't complain about updates that give me more speed. Ford has already released at least one update that improves the charging curve to it takes less time to fast charge.
Same here, whats the range you getting? I am getting 472kms on full charge which was surprising for they said 430kms i should be getting.
So lets get this straight. The Ford is $2000 more money, has a bigger battery that has less range, takes longer and more money to charge, and is slower. Also, tesla has a massive super charger network. But you’d rather have the Ford? You a vert special butterfly aren’t you? =)
YES, Redline is a GIRLYMAN.
You mentioned that you're not sure of the range prediction accuracy for the two cars. I hope since you and Rob own these vehicles that there will be future videos that delves into which range is longer. It's interesting that the Mustang has the bigger battery, but has a lower range estimate.
See the thing it is Fords 1st BeV. Give em some time.. Let em too grow rather than always falling in and saying all legacy automakers are crap
I don't know about the GT version, but the regular Mach E generally beat it's EPA range, while the Model Y usually fell short.
Rob, I'm siding with you on this comparison. You optioned the Model Y perfect. Personally I prefer the cleaner look of the Model Y, not because I'm a fan boy by any means, just side by side, the Mach E has some strange proportions. As always, great review guys!
The Tesla's interior design is an art project.
The Mach E's interior design is a car.
Mach E.
I just appreciate that we're getting more options in the space. Almost got a Rav4 Prime instead of my Y, but Toyota doesn't wanna sell those.
Looking forward to the day where I can get a car-lookin' car with 400 miles of range, and even Tesla's not doing that much range outside of the $100+k line-up.
You are definately biased on the Mustang. I think both are good cars and it just comes down to preference.
Ummm, this is NOT a Mustang, its a CHEAP made car, built in MEXICO .
and has FORD Crap engineering.
Great comparison. Really appreciate the work that got out into this. Even with your bias, it's Tesla MYP all day over the Mach E GT for me! Also, they were not even up to 60mph. The Mach E got a jump because of the audio delay. The fact that the MYP was even to that point before pulling away shows just how much faster it actually is lol!
My friend has one of the first few Mach E. It has so many issues. In fact, it has been in the dealership for a few months now because of no parts available. On the good side, Ford provided him with a Fusion.
If he tried the same with a Tesla, all he would have gotten are Uber credits.
@@Trades46 False, I had to have something repaired and Tesla provided me an Enterprise rental. They actually finished the service quicker than expected and it was an overall pain free experience.
Like Tesla s perfect come on. I had a 19 Model S and it had so many sudden battety drain, water seepage into cabin,.. Rattles and lot f issues.
Many are trying every bit to make Ford a stupid brand.. Sure they ve been stupid for some time.. Now at least they r trying.. Give em some credit for a 1st attempt that has gotten so much attention and is frankly a very good BeV
@@Supertrooper697 butthurt go read the sea if Tesla horror stories of getting their cars fixed
Yea because Tesla's never have issues right ? 🤡
Thoroughly enjoyed this in depth review from an actual owner and appreciated your opinion whether or not biased. I have a MY and love it but I really love the Mach E's exterior styling, especially in that gorgeous blue colour. The interior though doesn't feel as modern or futuristic as Tesla's, including the seats. The Ford's interior could be that of any other ICE cars so the uniqueness is not there. However I do love that Ford gives the Mach E screen behind the steering wheel. I wish Tesla provides this to the M3 and MY. Or at the very least give us a HUD. All in all thank you for this awesome review.
A Ford Mustang GT that cuts power after 5 seconds? What kind of dystopian future is this?
All EV’s have some power reduction with heat, SOC, etc - in fact, so do ICE cars with heat soak etc… I own a MME GT and it’s a blast 0-80mph, which is where 99% drive
I did a test drive on both recently and the Model Y wins hands down. Went ahead and placed my order on the Tesla. Also, the interface on the Mach-E is extremely laggy
need more reviews on base / mid level trims. Most of us don't buy the top trims...
even the Stock BASE model Tesla , smokes the Muck-e.
I would love this. Would love even a quick comparison.
Are you kidding?! Unbridled Extend mode limits power so the car doesn’t overheat. Mach E has terrible thermals and according to Ford, it’s only giving you max power for 5 seconds. On the track of any kind, the model Y will destroy the Mach E GT performance.
I just don't like the huge computer screen in any EV especially in the vertical arrangement but the huge volume knob in the Mach-e is totally ridiculous like they were listening to all the complaints about no knob and said here take this. I have test driven the standard versions of both these cars and the ride and interior design of the Tesla were a hard no for me. The regular version of the Ford had a slight hesitation when accelerating which made it also a definite no as were the seats which i could not get comfortable in. Wouldn't mind trying this version of the Mach e to see if it solved these issues for me but the overheating problem again makes it a hard pass. Likely I will just get the EV6 GT which has a range issue but otherwise I prefer in every way.
Great comparison. I'm not a big fan of the Tesla styling but as far as straight line performance it's not even a close comparison. A .5s from 0-60 is a huge gap. The range test can be done in various conditions including cold weather and warm weather as long as they're the same condition for both cars. That would be interesting to see how they perform in various condition. Thanks for the video!
The video I've been waiting for. The mach e still have advantage on the price because that $7500 is still available. Was going to order the model Y but I just see too many of them on the road. Ended up ordering the mach E California route 1 trim. Dealership told me the waiting time is about 6 months. not bad!
Even if you count 7500 when I price them out the full GT is like 70k vs 61k for a Tesla.
@@ChristianRunsNY Red Model Y Performce with white interior is $68440. idk what you are talking about. Mach-e GTPE is 69500, 62000 after credit.
@@bgaff7590 on the website right now I only get to 66k for a Tesla Model Y performance when you are adding 3k in colors (Red and white). So if you can pass on Red, and get Black interior like the Mach-e has, it is much closer.
@@bgaff7590 Tesla just price hiked the Model Y, almost the biggest one yet I believe. Definitely changes a lot now.
WTF i usually have these videos on in the background so i miss a lot, but it looks to me like Sofyan has been hitting the weights or something, lookin' good my dude.
The glass roof of Tesla makes the back seat more spacious. MachE has a legacy glass insert in the metal roof. Looks similar but not the same. Even if you compare the side lines, MachE is having a black painted part that goes higher than Tesla‘s roof line. Just disguised by the black paint, so roof line of coloured elements looks exactly the same. Still MacjE has smaller space inside. Looks cramped
I love that Rob flipped you off. Such a classic move!
I love the Tesla philosophy and tech over the design language of the Ford.
Non biased review? He’s sh*tting on Tesla the entire time 😂
This did it for me! I bought a MachE GT Performance. Mines white
Well done comparison. Thanks guys. I like the design of the MachE however its too heavy and inefficient and they need a lighter interior color option. It will be super interesting when Tesla starts delivering ModelY with structural 4680 battery and front & rear casting from giga Texas. The Tesla is gonna be hundreds of pounds lighter still and performance will get even crazier. Tesla should consider offering a more bolstered seat option for their performance models. Cheers
LOL TSLA… bro that license plate is petty 😂😂😂😂
BTW I should've said I love your work, you're one of my favorite CarTubers, and this was another great one. You did a very good job at being fair to both cars, which is a credit to you given that you were reviewing your own personal car.
Both great cars. I came down pretty much where you did -- the Y might be slightly ahead overall on the measurable metrics and has better software too, but the MME is close in all the ways that matter to me, and so much prettier and more distinctive. Still, if I could've gotten a Y Performance and been able to avail myself of the tax credit it would've been a closer thing.
One big difference in the buying and ownership experiences is that the Tesla experience is more or less uniform while the Ford experience is *extremely* dependent on the dealership you're dealing with. I was fortunate to already have a very good relationship with a very good dealer who doesn't play games and offers the cars at sticker.
Tbh, I think the Mach-E sounds more solid because of the framed doors.
Dude I love your reviews man. One of the best car reviewers on UA-cam! I like the GT, I dont love it.. I agree with you on the front end of the model Y - no different than model 3. I own the performance model 3 and I still wish it had a front screen the size of the one on your GT. Thats the perfect size... I also agree on the build quality ( door not feeling solid when you shut it) on my Tesla. My other vehicle is an Audi Q5e and Tesla cant hold a candle to it in terms of build quality and overall fit and finish.. When are you are going to do an Audi Q5e review?!
I’d have to go with the tesla simply for the better software and acceleration. Plus the interior on the ford looks like, well an interior on a ford😂
What Ford interior looks like the Mach E? No clue
The Tesla just had a screen and that’s it😂😂it’s like they teamed up Rubbermaid to make the interior. The inside of this egg has no soul
@@andrewrae50 all ford f150s and ford explorers have the have dash🤣 I wouldn’t be seen dead in a ford😭
@@JDMSwervo2001 u can stick ur soul where the sun don’t shine bro🤣 its the future😂😂😂
@@arvins.7064 lol I can’t wait until the mainstream brands start mass producing EV’s and give Tesla a run for its money. Tired of people overhyping them they don’t even have good quality control
"Roughly 60,000 dollars".. How easily that rolls off the tongue. Yikes. And ha ha. My first new car was $3995.
3995$? That's expensive! You can buy a Tata nano for 2500$ brand new ( in the east) comes loaded with features like roll up windows and weight savings such as no airbags! You can still hypothetically buy a base spark or mirage for around 13 to 14k here in the states new but lower your expectations, and then tell yourself that it's fast compared to walking. It'll get to 60 going downhill in under a minute if you change the speedo to km.
When did you buy that new car?
@@CalmDownShh my first new vehicle was a 2005 F350 Harley Edition Crewcab diesel that I paid $63,000.00 Canadian. Kept it for 15 years and sold it for $20,000
You can buy 3 Ford Maverick for the same price
@@thisisntsergio1352? 1972. Chevy Chevelle. lol.
I always love when you’re driving something fast. Your smile and joy is contagious. Sitting on my couch I can imagine the fun it must be.
Imagine paying over $60k for the Mach E GT PERFORMANCE and barely getting over 100mph in 1/4 because of the poor thermals. I definitely think it looks better than the Model Y though. I think Kia EV6 GT is a better competitor for model Y Performance.
Already at 105 mph trap. While not 115mph like it should be for the power, I can say owning my MME GT and driving to 80mph where I spend most of my time, 0-80 is a blast - I came from a model 3 Performance which was quicker, but I don’t miss it
@@andrewrae50 Hey! Can you tell us why don't you miss your Model 3 Performance? Curious to know. And to be fair, 105mph is faster than any stage 1 STi ever trapped, so it ain't that bad.
@@karmahunden so here is an update! I did get frustrated with the Mach E GT and power limitations, among other little issues and sold it for a chunk more than I paid for it. I ordered it and took delivery of a 22 Model 3 Performance / had an 18 before, and absolutely love the new model 3 performance/ its seriously a better vehicle then my Mach E GT in many ways. Yes it’s not a direct competitor, but I don’t miss the Mach E GT
@@andrewrae50 Interesting. Thanks for the update, dude. Did you still get the tax credit for the MME GT?
@@karmahunden yup - I took deliver in Oct 21 and sold it April 2022 - took the Credit against my taxes in 21
You did your best to save the face on the mustang🥵
Tried his best but was a little embarrassing!
Your smile says it all when you stomped on the accelerator on the Tesla model Y. Good review though
It’s not about which one is better it’s about preference. Making excuses why a car is not performing shows your preference. Ford’s product is good enough. There is a market for it. Make no mistake there is no comparison to the tech in the Tesla. The Model Y is way more advance and some are not ready to embrace that. The Ford is for them as some people want to keep their buttons.
There are a lot of good reasons to get the Tesla, but I would get the Ford because it looks much better, and handles better, and I believe still qualifies for a tax credit. And it has a screen in front of you, which is just smart.
And your gonna ignore the fact that it only gets full power for 5 seconds before overheating? I'd suggest you drive one first. I did 3 hard launches before the car overheated and I couldn't launch it. Then I test drove a Model Y. 11 launches and still no overheating. The MachE isn't very well engineering in terms of the powertrain. Considering it costs a lot more than a Model Y, even with the tax credit it isn't any cheaper. The 4X premium was the sweet spot, but Ford raised prices 2-3K.
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 Again, I said there are a lot of positives to going Tesla, but I like the Ford more. It is more appealing. Deal with it.
@@InvestBetter. I'm just saying, for a performance car it doesn't perform.
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 amen. The Tesla has a 10 year head start and it shows. The charging infrastructure alone should be enough to convince you to get the Tesla.
Mustang Mach E failed the moose test when testing the stability of the car. They stated the it is a true mustang because its handling is poor unlike the Model Y which passed the test. I'm glad they made a car like this, but they have some some work to do to get it to compare to the Tesla.
As much as I like driving Teslas I can't tell one from the other in a parking lot. I appreciate your opinion on how they need to differentiate their models. It's all in time ;)
I'm glad Ford's making its way into the EV market but Tesla has the legacy manufacturers by the balls. Batteries. It's all about the batteries. All the legacy makers can whip up all the concepts and copycats they want but they dont have the batteries. They're all scrambling to find a third party to supply them with batteries meanwhile Tesla is manufacturing their own and using their "overvalued" market cap to buy up the remaining third party supply. This is the key to EV success, Elon knows it and so does the rest of the auto industry. I agree that Tesla's auto design needs improvment but as far as manufacturing and the business end goes, they are strangling legacy manufacturers with their own outdated business model. Another factor kneecapping the legacys is the fact that they need to commit a massive amount of resources to their existing ICE models while Tesla can put everything they have into EVs. Also, Tesla isnt just an auto manufacturer, they're investing major capital in industrial and residential solar power/battery solutions, HVAC systems and comunications infrastructure. Tesla is linked to SpaceX where the two companies are complimenting each others technologies. The vertical integration employed by Tesla is light years ahead of any other auto manufacturer. It feels eerily like when the original iPhone was introduced. People are complaining about their physical buttons missing on Teslas. I remember missing buttons on my phone too... at least for a second.
First review on this channel that looked a bit more bias than I would have expected lol
Love the plate. Also love how you test hit the Y once each direction then that the Stang multiple times in effort to reach what Ford states then go on to give reasons as to why it can't. I'm really interested in the F150 Lightening myself.
So happy for you Sofyan! Enjoy that Mach E GT!!!
Who?
pray, the Coolant loops dont start LEAKING.......LOL.
Muck-e is a TURD.
Wooooow the trolling with the license plate!🤣👏
Sofyan. Bias? Nah. Never.
Who is this Soy guy.
Sure, I’m a bit bias. That said, I do like the exterior styling of the Mach E and I agree Tesla should have done a bit more to make the Performance model stand out. That said, I also enjoy the “sleeper” 🤣 aspect. I can also hand it for Ford for built quality, and that comes with experience.
Now, all that said, Tesla is also heavily invested in Software. We were just provided a massive software update that added new features, restructured UI and some of Tesla’s signature new goodies. And similar to iPhones, Teslas will only get better over time purely through frequent software updates (also pushed OTA).
It’s highly unlikely Ford will make any significant improvements with software. But will be interesting to see. Should you have a software update, will it come OTA or will you have to take it to Ford? Will your average tech or salesman know about these updates?
Finally, when it comes to Full Self Driving, I’m in the beta and I can say it’s already impressive. It has a way to go, but the pace of improvement is massive and I think this will be a very different discussion even next year.
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I think you’re tone deaf on the LOL TSLA plate. I think most people prefer the Tesla. Think about it’s charging network.
I bought the Performance Y. The fact that the Y is quicker and can do it over and over while the GT overheats after a couple quick runs makes it an easy choice. The Ford is a good first effort but needs work. It would have been nice if Ford did the work before selling them. As far as looks I prefer the Tesla as it looks much more modern but looks are subjective.
Was considering a Mach E and even placed an order on one before researching all the problems with fast charging compatibility errors. That, decreased range, and inferior performance vs. Tesla was a no-go. Plus Tesla’s interior is slightly updated for 2021 (matte black vs gloss black) and constant software updates make it a more compelling case, not to mention unrivaled Tesla network chargers. And I’m willing to bet that a Tesla MY LR with performance boost will keep up with, if not exceed, the Mach E GT Performance. And Ford doesn’t exactly have the best reputation for reliability plus first 1-2 years of a new vehicle will always have bugs that may be corrected in future years (ie Tesla’s build quality, while still not stellar, has improved in recent years)
I do concede that the Mach E’s interior looks more premium and wish that Tesla had Apple Car Play compatibility and XM Radio. And the Mach E definitely looks less generic but I would argue more polarizing. The Tesla MY’s proportions just don’t look as good vs. M3 (almost like the Tesla is a bloated M3).
If you don’t need an SUV (let’s face it, sedans are more fun to drive due to center of gravity), go for the Tesla M3 LR and get the performance boost. At around $53K, that’s the more compelling choice IMO.
I thought the same. I like the look of the GT better but tesla has more range, performance, etc. It forced me to choose neither. Once someone comes out with tesla performance and range, with better looks and a front trunk (bmw, Mercedes etc don't have front trunks), I will but it.
@@geno816 , Lucid Air is a beautiful car with a much more premium interior than Tesla or Ford but its price makes it more aspirational. Maybe they’ll come out with a less expensive model ($50K range plus tax credit) that is more attainable.
@@billbolduc5982 wanting an suv too. They Are probably 3 years away minimum
M3 suspension is crap like a corolla
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No way.
M3 has a solid suspension.
I have a M3 LR and drive a LOT of cars.
Aside from air suspension, it's one of the best, just a bit low to the ground.
The GT is a lot slower, Y driver just didn't get the jump.
enjoyed seeing the side by side comparison. it's a bit funny that you say you are focused on performance but then give Ford the edge with soft things like how you like the look better :) in any case, keep up the good work and thanks for disclosing that you own the Mach-E so the bias is upfront
Doesn't make sense that the GT Performance version would cut power?
"My gripe with the car is that other people have it and I see too many on the road"...lol.
That's a really bizzare thing to not like about the car. Tesla has more real world range especially in colder temps, superior supercharger network, and fast advanced UI. But yes the Ford has a nice baby blue color.
Drove both kept the Mach-E for 1 week. I have to tell you the Mach-E is way more fun to drive factor than the relatively numb MY. Maybe its the higher Torque. But the Mach-E def felt more powerful and sportier. The numbers might not show it, but I Mach-E is for sure the better Drivers enthusiast car than the MY> For the record I just got a 2023 M3P. And that took care of all the deficiencies of the MYP imo
If you like the idea of having four or five charging apps on your phone, three types of leads in the trunk, oh and hassle with a multitude of credit cards .... *every* time you charge, get the Mach E
"Tesla will have to step up their game" - That's when i switched off, totally biased review...
He says I’m gonna try to sound unbiased. LOL, he doesn’t realize the entire vid he sounded biased towards his own vehicle, Mach E. In every objective measure Tesla wins, but in subjective/ personal options he thinks Mach E is better.
Personally I hate the fake grille on the Mach-E, I don't like the dash in the Mach-E or the screen, and CarPlay really means that Ford's copping out on UI design. Coupled with my local Ford dealer options all being sleazy, the Model Y was my choice.
That said, I don't like the front fascia on my Y, but I knew about Unplugged Performance's Ascension bumper cover, and that gets rid of the snout.
This was a pretty good review, but at this point choices seem to be between what's available and basically if you hate Tesla. Kind of how people avoid Apple for illogical reasons.
No one buying a electric car is going to notice the acceleration difference in either car , they are both driven by very , very normal people. The mach E is just a nicer overall car
Also have to say the Mid 2021 (Updated Cabin) is much better fit and finish. No “flimsy mirror” issues.
Sure a $60,000 car should have zero, but every car can have a flaw. They are getting much better as time goes on. Software updates help a lot. Once Texas is up and running they will be even better.
Focus on more mechanical refinement than all this "tech" talk. There are brands Tesla will compete with that do mechanical refinement much, much better and use tech to accomplish ride/handling dynamics that are on a much higher level than where Tesla is. I saw Savage Geese talk about the tech in Cadillac's suspensions and Porsche's and its incredible how much tech goes into those chassis and electronics that control the chassis. But you have to have the right materials, geometry and calibrations first.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Sure I get it. Mechanical refinements are going to happen from auto makers like Cadillac and Porsche.
Cadillac has been around for 119 years. Porsche for 90.
Tesla’s first car was released in 2008.
Tesla will improve. Mass production is hard.
Very good description and comparison video !
I have both on order, Model Y coming in November and Mach E coming in July next year.
I will decide next year which to buy when Mach E is due for delivery :))
BAYERN!
I test drove both cars multiple times and went with the Mustang Mach-E GT. Teslas are fun to drive but boring to look at. MYP is definitely a bit quicker but good lord, the rattling in my testers was absurd not to mention the ride quality is hard on your internal organs.
In daily driving, the GT gets to illegal speeds within 5 seconds and is very comfortable. It turns heads out on the road and stands out in a sea of Teslas.
Love your channel but unfortunately this is not one of your best review/comparison videos. Despite your efforts to the contrary your bias for the mustang Mach e clearly shows in many of your comments (example: "mustang Mach e GT offers similar performance to the Tesla model Yp" when the in reality the Tesla will put over a bus length on the mustang in a race) Also stating one of the reasons you recommend the mustang Mach e over the Tesla is for "the looks" which is something completely subjective based on the viewer and should not used in an unbiased comparison. Both vehicles have their pros and cons obviously, but your attempts to paint the mustang mach E in a more favorable light due to your bias is pretty obvious and kind of hurts the overall quality of this comparison. Just my 2 cents
18:20 “May be me just sounding a little more bias”
Bro 95% of this comparison was you sounding bias :D
As a fanboy of both Tesla and Ford, this was a fair assessment. There were a few minor incorrect statements on both sides and also there were a few minor positive and negative things missed on both sides, so again a fair assessment. I find it interesting that the Ford has a lot bigger battery than the Tesla yet lower range and acceleration. Both companies did a great job. BTW, I own both a 2022 Tesla Model Y Performance and a 620HP 2007 Shelby Mustang so again, I am a fanboy of both sides. But the Tesla blows away the Shelby on the street.
bias a bit :), but good review. Can't forget TSLA sound system is by far better than the Mach-E
Just crazy that the MACH e is about 600lbs heavier than my new Bronco.
That nearly 100 kWh battery pack is massive lol
@@theredline - Ummmm, NOT any bigger than a TESLA mod S battery and Tesla S gets 410 mi Range........LOL.
@@markplott4820 and the lucid gets 500 miles for the first car beating Tesla’s flag ship car 😂😂
@@ericship8383 - LUCID is a MASSIVE FRAUD.
it got 520 miles with a 140 kwh battery, thats DUMB Range , and NOT Efficient.
the LUCID weighs Hundreds lbs MORE than the PLAID w/ 3 motors.
TESLA is FACTUALLY Still the MOST Efficient PRODUCTION car in the WORLD.
LUCID will be DEAD in late 2022, when it runs OUT of CASH.
Do your own Research.
Loved your review. Eagerly waiting for my Mach-e in first Q of 2022.
Ok, so I’m 3 mins in...and I know you’re disappointed that the Tesla doesn’t add anything on the nose of their performance variant to let everyone know it’s special...and you like the Mustang styling (seriously?) and really like that the horsey lights up (and only on the performance model!). Sheesh. I have a couple questions for you about your Mustang. How exactly do you plan on taking trips with it? How long do you think your Ford is going to last, especially your battery pack? How much value do you expect it to retain? All I can say is that I hope you leased it. And when you’re finally ready for a Tesla, have the good sense to purchase it and keep it for basically the rest of your life (cause yeah, it will pretty much last that long). Btw, are you missing all those OTA updates yet?
thing is are you gonna notice the .4 seconds 0-60 or are you going to notice the build quality haha
You will notice that the Mach E can have full acceleration for 5 seconds before power cuts out. Also regen braking overheats when going downhill. Blue cruise system only works in a straight line. These are things that paid auto reviewers will never tell you.
@@JAM_2024 Pretty much this.
Right now, there are 2 recalls for the Mach-e and complaints about peeling paint, misaligned roofs, squeaks on the inside by the center screen and bad axles. Pretty typical for any car with a Ford badge on it. So quality isn't something a Mach-E owner should be crowing about.
Mach E is made in Mexico, no further comment.
Your audible sounds and laughs when you do donuts in snow or floor the cars you test, crack me up!
Go Tesla! They don’t charge over MSRP like stealers do!
I find it interesting that when discussing appearance issues, it's not that you "prefer" the Mach E styling, but instead you say "Ford did a better job". You lose credibility with me with that type of rhetoric. It's obvious that Ford copied the Tesla Y to a large extent. I prefer the Tesla styling but I understand that some will prefer the Ford. So what? The Tesla Y Performance ride is pretty bumpy but the Long Range with the 19" wheels has a noticeably better ride. It's fair to say that there's room for improvement, however.
Main reason folks will pass on big manufacture ev cars is dealers charging north $8k+ over msrp
I didn't hear you mention the tire size on the GT. I was behind one yesterday and they really looked skinny. The car itself looks very narrow from behind like it would tip over during an aggressive turn.
Damn i didnt know redline pays this well
That’s what I’m saying
Long-time follower here and always appreciate your honest reviews... but your bias was a little hard to ignore, as the owner of the Mustang. So at the end, you essentially picked it as the better car because it's better looking and you get more stares? That's really subjective. It's a long video, but I don't think you got into charging infrastructure at all, which is arguably the biggest benefit of putting your $60K+ into a Tesla.
Model Y looks like an egg. The Mach E and the Ionic 5 look AMAZING, both interior and exterior. Hats off to Tesla for kicking off the segment though and the low dash is something I like about all Teslas. I'd personally by the Mach E GT out of all 3, not even a question.
As a mustang Saleen owner i really dont mind the fact the Mach'e is designated as a mustang. if it helps with sales and the uplifting on the name im all for it. Now that said.. years ago i was staunchly against any non 2 door sports car being called a mustang. And many people wanted the mustang to go 4 doors. I thought such people were nuts, looking to destroy the brand, it didnt make sense back then, but today it sorta does, why? because i understand the mach-e is and isnt a real mustang. OK its like this. The car.. the standard sedan be it luxury 2 door 4 door hatchback you name it is mostly an obsolete vehicle in the eyes of the buying masses. That spot has been taken over by the SUV and for good reason, you get alot more for your dollar. More space better seating equal gas mileage, and sometimes equal or even better performance. No its not a sports car, but for average sales an suv will sell better and that makes for a healthier company and brand. SO.. go ahead call this mach-e a mustang, as its name should be represented in that class of vehicles. so yes its a mustang twice removed so to speak. But we all know what the real mustang is. And we also know its under threat by the signs of the times. global warming, inflation, pollution restrictions. Many of the things that makes a mustang great will not be welcomed in the near future, as such even the mustang sports car will undergo change. Likely going first hybrid and later full EV. And at best the old venerable V8 will be a pollution taxed limited run offering. And who knows how long that will last with the younger generations and their particular likes and dislikes towards a V8 versus Electric propulsion. time will tell. so i say let the Mustang mach-e fight the good fight and become a great vehicle in its own right. but we also must be mindful for the future of the real mustang.
With you there....
I love the mach E but i would never get it for the simple fact it has a speed limiter
As a tire technician.. if the lip of your wheels sticks out from the tire.. you need wider tires or a brand that makes there tires with a wider trac