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@@iBeo01 ya I could beat a lot of wrestlers at wrestling. It helps that I wrestled all throughout school and have additional wrestling from BJJ and MMA
@@godsfavoritt771 How about you back up your smart mouth and go fight him yourself? Oh, yeah, you're just a keyboard warrior who does all his fighting behind a computer screen. Weak sauce, dude.
I competed 10 years judo and 12 years no gi. Beat a lot of wrestlers using guillotines. The first time I went up against a wrestler that was a d1 5th place nationally I found out how different some wrestlers are. Dude felt like he weighed twice of me. Not sure what this guys wrestling credentials are but in my experience the d1 guys are built different. Great video!
@@claymac7895 best wrestlers go to mma so they can make real money. Nicky Rod was d3 wrestler. Go watch Bo Nickal three time d1 national champ run through a jujitsu gym with little to no training in jujitsu. Any person who has grappled a d1 wrestler will tell you there’s a big difference it’s just not even debatable.
Pretty good but the BJJ guy seemed kind of mean and arrogant. I guess if you have a real beef with someone you would be that way though. Still a bit of humility would make him look bettter. More charismatic and likable in his victory by taking the high ground so to speak even in victory instead of lowering himself to his opponents level with hate and trash talk.
@@rodtack8420 Didn't really come across as mean and arrogant. This has always been Tyler's sense of humor on his channel and he's about as self-deprecating as they come in many instances. They both came into this challenge with what appears to me to be a high level of back-and-forth banter and faux trash talk. I wouldn't read too much into it. It's certainly not what I would consider "hate" in any case.
when I was 1 stripe blue (pushing 50 years old) a very fit / athletic 20 year old wrestler came in to "try" a class. We rolled in open mat. he was no-gi and I was gi. I don't wrestle and I only train gi.... Wrestlers go super intense and although it was supposed to be a light round he was giving me 150%. He got the pin... and a headlock and I congratulated him for scoring points in the sport we weren't doing and then 5 seconds later took his back after doing a text book head lock escape. Have to say it was very satisfying since gym owner/professor was watching to make sure it didn't get out of hand while I gently folded the clothes of a 180 lb tornado while he was still wearing them.
Shouldn't even be a question of if, since it was a bet. But I guess nowadays with the paul brothers as "exemples" fulfilling a bet is exception. Go figure.
I love to see two guys with big differences of opinon take it to the mat and competitively end it in a friendly manner. I enjoyed it and learned some stuff in the process. Thanks!
@@dannysan1272yeah thats what i thought but im gonna give him the benefit of doubt bc he did say right after thank god it wasnt a gold medalist shooting
Seriously, Ryan was an average high school wrestler in a state that isn’t know for wrestling. Any mid level wrestler has more in their arsenal than just a double leg and this would have been more competitive. Ryan isn’t a good wrestler, like at all. I’d like to see him go against somebody who at a minimum wrestled in college. Jordan Burroughs is a different animal. I couldn’t tell if he was joking
jujitsu practitioners in wrestling unless they are at a high level would instantly get shit on. Wrestlers can compete against jujitsu guys in jiujitsu alot better than jujitsu guys can compete against wrestlers in wrestling if that makes sense.
My old MMA/BJJ coach would go to them on occasion in San Diego. He never won first place since he only wrestled a couple of years in middle school but he beat a few guys and picked up some cool new moves. I wish wrestling had a more chill culture like bjj does. I think the very nature of competiting for the starting spot for each weight class makes it a whole different vibe. Back in middle school I didn't win the starting spot in my weight class until I dropped a full 3 weight classes (I was fat not starving), then around sophmore year I started to niche my spot on my highschool team and I really felt the hate from some of those dudes who wanted my spot. It wasn't like I was did anything extra with them at practice either it was just this knowing their JV thing and I was the reason for it. BJJ is way healthier since everyone can just go to the tournament and wins and losses aren't as crazy (unless your pro or something crazy like that).
The problem with these wrestling vs jui jitsu competitions is that they are almost always favored toward the submission aspect. The wrestlers job is to get you down and the bjj guys are already down. You need to add a 3rd element to off balance both instead of throwing bjj into his element. You need to add ground and pound for it to be a truly fair match up. Not that it’ll ever happen but that’s when you see the bjj guys lose to wrestlers.
BJJ is not for actual fighting, it's just a sport. In a real fight there are no rules. Your opponent can hit back, you can be bitten, eye gouged... etc. You grab somebody in a real fight and all bets are off. Fingers in the mouth... and so on.
@@OmegaMouse This is the thing a lot of people forget, you need to straight up train multiple sports to be a good fighter. You need boxing, kick boxing, some kind of wrestling like grappling, with less jiu jitsu. Its the reason combat sambo and even wrestling sambo tends to beat jiu jitsu even in jiu jitsu rules because even Sambo wrestling its jiu jitsu + judo + wrestling. Remember keep those horizons open everyone, what those on the other side of the pond are doing might be filling the gaps in your game
@@OmegaMouse In a real fight an elite wrestler will almost always beat a top tier elite BJJ specialist because wrestling is all about positioning. If Gable Stevenson fought Gordon Ryan in a street fight he'd double leg him and out position him and once he got dominant control he'd lay down a ton of damage with the striking.
@@OmegaMouse It is for actual fighting, you just have to incorporate other aspects into your game. Knowing how to do more always helps. BJJ guys can do all the cheap moves too, and then they will have training and technique on top of all that.
Huge respect and display of being a good sport. Lots of younger ones watching you both I'm sure. You both have taught them some important life lessons in this vid, well done.
No training whatsoever but I wrestled for years against various people beat a HS state champ horribly and got cocky. I had considerable strength never ending stamina and speed considering my size. I beat sometimes as many as 4 or 5 people at a time and got too used to winning against mediocre challengers. I went against a college wrestler who was 5th in the country and he beat me like a red headed step child every single time we went at it but I never gave up because I was learning from him. he was also like 50 pounds lighter then me or so and man handled me lol. I wish I had access to BJJ here in podunk Maine when I was younger I think learning multiple styles can only be a benefit to anyone. The main thing I learned was to never ever underestimate anyone yet always have the mindset that you will not lose no matter the cost. Sportsmanship is everything imo and this video shows that even in a loss you keep your head high but also concede with grace lol! Much respect. Stay with it till you can't anymore!
My wife's nephew was a D3 national champ runner-up in wrestling and a high school florida state champion. He entered a jiu jitsu tournament two months ago with zero jits experience. He won the tournament and took home a few hundred dollars. I'm just saying there are plenty of wrestlers who would smoke a jits black belt.
youre comparing a decent wrestler to a beginnger comp with white belts? thats like a boxing champ going in a day care and saying hes the hardest dude. you put a pound for pound dude with same number of years grappling against one another and ill take the juju guy.
@@ty8012they didn't say what level the kid competed at. I find it hard to believe the comp let him compete against white belts. A D3 wrestler is not a "decent" lol. The goober in this video is decent.
@@maat826 because he says he has next to no Jujitsu experience so I'm pretty sure he's likely not qualifying for an adcc Championship or something. Little to no experience with equate to a white belt certainly not anything above a blue bell.
@@GraveUypo Just have to adjust to the throttling is all. Copy/pasta big comments into notepad, refresh to see if your comment lasts more than 30 seconds. If it disappears, find some key words that may have triggered it and use different words and phrases that mean the same thing.
The Viper rashgaurd goes hard. I have been practicing BJJ for a little over 6 months now and I have watched a lot of your videos while at work and studied your guillotine. I have a smaller figure so I always have trouble getting enough of my arm around the neck before they know whats happening. You technique is crazy. And I see the SCSU shirt in the intro :)
@@TylerSpanglerI will point out he is playing your game by your rules. Include striking into your match. Then eliminate rules. Like real life. I’ve seen people be really good in the guard, until elbows and fists start landing them from the top. Also, in the street, a thumb in the eye or an ear getting ripped off usually stops that arm bar or choke. Almost all the valuable tools in real life like Shaolin Chi-na are illegal even in ufc, but can eliminate most submissions outright. They deserve practice and respect as they have been used for millennia. Don’t get me wrong, I really respect the skill set that jujitsu provides, especially fighting off your back. But it’s more of a chess match and sport. I’m older than you guys so don’t appreciate that as much since I have people I care about to defend. I’m not sure why this came up in my feed, but your video shows you acting exactly the same as the adjectives you used on the wrestler. Respect everyone. It’s prob some 75 year old 130 lb guy that knows 100 ways to kill you with a seat belt that will teach you humility. 😊
This is cool and all but when was the last time a jiu-jitsu guy won any belt at any weight class in any mma promotion. Wrestling plus striking is always going to be the winning combination.
Exactly, BJJ guys win BJJ matches against wrestlers. Who would have thought? But how does that translate into actual fights? Simple, the ranking of UFC fighters with the most successful title fights is dominated by people with a wrestling base, not BJJ.
The problem that all wrestling-focused arts have in common is the idea that every fight ends on the ground and that the other person will follow the rules. The ground (pavement, cement, concrete) is not friendly. The environment rarely works for wrestling, and people you piss off or that just come at you don't have to follow your rules. I've seen a lot of wrestling types get beat down in clubs and on the street. Hell, even the Gracies had to start mixing up their "better than every other martial art" martial art with a lot of kicks, punches, and techniques from other martial arts just to survive matches once they no longer could rig the UFC.
It depends though on what sport they are competing in? Imagine a blackbelt showing up to the Penn State wrestling room. I doubt he does anything against them
This mirrors my minimal experience with wrestlers in Judo. I remember when I was a green belt and the sensei introduced some state wrestling champ to the group. He was built like a fire hydrant and very cocky. I was his first partner for randori and pretty nervous. He was in way better shape than me and "wrestler" had an aura of invincibility. At the time, I didn't know anything about a wrestler's "kit." Immediately he shot for my leg, and I thought about Ken Shamrock vs Dan Severn (1995) and the many guillotine chokes. I immediately wrapped his neck and took him down. It was over in seconds. After that, his attitude changed. He was no longer cocky and I could tell he had a new found respect for Judo. He grappled with caution and did his best. He seemed much more open to learning about Judo rather than, what appeared to be, an attitude of superiority where he'd show us all how great he was.
@@willx7648 Alex, I'll take cocky commenters on UA-cam for a $1,000. Alex: "Since when can you shoot for the legs in Judo?" When this was his first Judo class and had no idea what the rules were. He had about an hour of instruction in Judo and defaulted to what he knew. This was the first thing he did as we started. Hey man, don't be a obnoxious online. We can all play that game. There are people on the other side of these comments. Call me a liar when you don't know what happened and weren't there? Think before you post. I'll take alcohol for a reason (been there).
@@tvtvtvtv98 Why? WTF would I gain by lying about this experience on this channel? It happened and it's not that remarkable of a story, but is relevant to this video.
I don’t know about that Jordan Burroughs comment though. He doesn’t put his head to the side. He does a hard blast double where his head drives straight through you.
As a white belt I’m looking forward to your instructional. I have landed a few, but more have gotten away. That being said, I think the hillbilly rash guard will definitely help me land some more. I’ll buy the matching shorts using your promo code too.
Get Danaher's front headlock instructional instead. This guy is really a black belt? If I were just watching the video with no context, I would think mid blue belt who loves guillotine. I'm not a troll type either, I'm being completely honest.
I wrestled from middle school all the way through college. I've personally seen elite All American level wrestlers out position and stall out top level BJJ blackbelts. So it's possible. I've also seen wrestlers even below that surprisingly handle purple and brown belts
I am just wondering if the wrestlers know they are at a massive disadvantage in this friendly rolling. BJJ has so many sub's that doesn't have permanent damage, the wrestling is made to control your opponent while applying some ground and pound, they don't train sub's they train control. Great Video.
That was freestyle grappling. One man could do whatever he wanted. He also knew he only had to defend one thing.... So yeah it took him a few minutes to choke a grown man, when the grown man knew he was trying to choke him.... If he wanted to do other things, it would have gone faster.
Hi Tyler, I love all the designs! I don’t actually own a rash guard(I do Gi 99% of the time and wear a swim shirt when I do no-Gi). I’ve never landed a guillotine and I feel like one of your rash guards would give me the extra horse power needed to tie the knot. I’d get the matching shorts with your code too! Love the videos thank you
@@tommurphy9147 thanks for the advice! I shower immediately after classes and wash my Gi after each use - 10 months of BJJ and Ive only dealt with minor injuries, no staph thankfully ;)
@@robertdemon3550 skin to skin contact if somebody is really dirty or has been in contact with an infection. The chance of getting something is higher when you factor in that some people don’t shower right after their classes/rolls.
Wrestling is a different sport. A judo practitioner would literally never get the back of a skilled wrestler. Simply put wrestlers at the higher levels really only care about take downs and riding time. There is nothing in judo that is going to stop that. There is nothing in judo that is going to escape that. It would be at best a stalemate for the judo practitioner and likely a lose for them due to the wrestler putting their weight on them for a very long time. Eventually that wears someone down for free.
Do you think you could guillotine a golfer? How about a spelling bee champion? What do you say, tough guy? I can match you up with former PBA champion, Doug Kent. Think you can guillotine him? C'mon tough guy!
As someone who has both wrestled and trained some BJJ, I gotta say BJJ players are beastly. I'm not fanboying at all, it's almost a completely different thing. What wrestlers call a "pin" is for BJJ, only the start of the match. I'm also not ripping on wrestling, but you have to know that BJJ just takes all of their ideas to an entirely new level. Also there is a lot of physically crippling nastiness in traditional BJJ that is just plain illegal, vicious, and not trained at all in wrestling. It's also a great way to humble boxers and karateka, they both have absolutely nothing on the ground and will shortly be taking a nap in even friendly sparring, which they better hope it is. I would love to train BJJ more, but it is hella expensive and I frequently get injured.
interesting response considering most BJJ I see is people scooting their asses along the ground trying to start the fight already on the ground. not to say BJJ sucks but, I've definitely seen more than a few BJJ guys that can't seem to figure out how to get the fight to the ground in the first place. ground game don't mean much when you can't get them there in the first place.
Against a high level jits guy and your only grappling experience is wrestling you want to use it to keep yourself standing. Stay standing at all costs, break away and strike, use trips and pushes if you're confident your strength and skill will keep you from going to the ground. I know this is a grappling competition, so staying standing is going to be tough. Adding in striking will completely change the game.
As a former wrestler who is a white belt in BJJ right now. I can confirm I was a guillotine buffet, but I've now upgraded to a guillotine charcuterie board.
A pretty good match, wrestlers are of course coached to go for a defined pin, vs. you're going for submission and the two approaches are different. Wrestlers are forbidden from attempting a submission hold and as such I wouldn't expect a wrestler to easily be able to adopt that style nor would we know how to counter it. More precisely we are forbidden from encircling someone's head without an arm, and no one does. I'm not really surprised by the outcome. On the other hand if you had to obey the wrestler's rules in the match, I'm betting you'd have a difficult time. That said, it does seem like Jiu Jitsu would be a logical progression for a wrestler to advance their one on one combat skills.
Premium black short sleeve rash guard (I know it’s boring, but I’m a minimalist). I’m a proud wrestler, but when I was in college, I had a little fight club going. One day I met another wrestler and invited him to it. First two times I went up against him, like clockwork…he shot double, I went for guillotine. Third match, he kept his distance, I did a change up (regular to south paw) and threw a left kick to his mid section. Knocked the wind out of him. As a wrestler, I know the dangers of the double leg even in a street fight and I tend to avoid it. Knee striking on concrete doesn’t feel so good.
Kudos to wrestler stepping out of the narrow rules in modern wresting. The lack of ring and inclusion of techniques excluded from wresting really work in jui jutsu's favor. Plus the undoubted thousands of hours practicing those moves on others. He is formadable. Its was master class in knowing your adversary better than they know themselves. But it was like watching a chess master, play chess against the 11th grade checkers champ. Not really satisfying because we knew the outcome but it was fun to watch happen.
It is a good marketing gimmick, to “grapple” a wrestler. But I always find it disingenuous when someone from one sport challenges someone from another sport in their original sport. It’s like “I beat Michael Jordan one on one.” But it was a professional bowler blowing against Jordan. Even money says The BJJ guy is going likely to win at BJJ and the wrestler is going to win at wrestling.
Why don't more people feel this way about that? Wanker 30 pounds heavier 20 years younger than MMA guys fighting in boxing matches. It makes me want to puke
I used to think I was really good at submission wrestling until I got older and stopped weight training.. I was never muscle bound but had a build like a gymnast, at 165 lbs I used to bench 315 in a few reps and squat a lot too, I have tapped out heavy weight wrestlers at 265 lbs… and I’d still tap out the average bjj wrestler for sure , but now I’m not as strong and realize I’m really not very good at bjj , it was mostly strength… I recall wrestling a small 130lb Chinese guy in my bjj class years ago and I’d man handle him but his technique was incredible, I couldn’t tap him, so strength really helps…
Good video! I honestly never understand why us wrestlers don't go for more single leg shots instead of doubles, especially since most people dont really have a submission defense on the go as easy as the guillotine.
Αmateur college freestyle grecoroman tranditional wrestling have suplex slams not guillotines but in a free game or streetfight can beat easy judo or jujutsu
6:15 Thaat is exactly how khabib escaped from Duntin’s guillotine!!! As someone that knows nothing about this, I never understood how he did it!! Thanks for explaining!!
Dude said “I don’t care if Jordan Burroughs is shooting a double on me…” your feet would be above your head, you aren’t doing what you think you would.
Yea, if you have big mouth make sure you can back it, thing is there's always someone better than you and anything can happen in a fight no matter how good you are. I can't stand cocky arrogant idiots.Tyler you thrashed this guy, well done.
The funny thing with him is, "All you can do is the guillotine!" The fight was 3 guillotines to win, so yes, he will be only using the guillotene. I'm keeping my mouth shut, you guys could fold me up and put me in an envelope. I know better than that. Great fighting though guys and well done for taking the challenge. Thanks for sharing
The flamazing rashguard is really cool, I’m a white belt been training since january and have hit only 2-3 guillotines in that time, I’m looking forward to your instructional
Watched the vid after fending off censorship. Real cute on the mats. Try that on concrete where a wrestler can lift you up even while you have a guillotine choke, and slam you on your spine possibly paralyzing you. Also, research a wrestler named Stunning Steve Austin. His finisher was called the "Stun Gunner". Pretty much a grab from the front, lift, then fall with opponent's neck hitting the top rope and snapping back with your weight, and your opponent's weight. Now imagine there is a 3 foot fence nearby your combat location. Imagine the wrestler grabs you from the front, a bear hug with both arms inside. You are so confident with the front headlock that isn't there because your arms are trapped. Now imagine seeing the top of the fence get closer and closer to your face in about half a second and then a blackout. Possibly permanent. BJJ is GREAT for a points based system. Not much for real determined fighting where death is on the line though.
I used to teach defensive tactics to military and law enforcement agencies. In Korea, I had a young kid challenge me during a lecture that he could beat me easily. He was an Iowa high school wrestling champion and a strapping young man, which is commendable, so I invited him to roll with me after class because he called me out in front of my students. He shot in, and I feigned being overpowered and went right into my guard. I got him into a nasty triangle choke within about five seconds which was my gameplan from the start, and he tapped. The whole class was watching, they began laughing. He was understandably embarrassed, so he challenged me again. I did not oblige because the point was made. Confidence is a valuable thing, but anyone who has spent any time rolling with someone who knows anything at all about ground-fighting also has to embrace the humility of it. That's the only way we get better. I'm not even close to the level that Tyler is. I would love to train with him, but no way would I pretend to be at his skill level. I could probably out shoot him with a firearm because I'm a very high-level shooter, but I'd be considered a novice at best with jiu-jitsu. I sure as hell wouldn't wear his sweaty rash guard. Haha.
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Cool. You beat a wrestler and other non-jujitsuers at ju-Jitsu. But could you beat a wrestler at wrestling?
@@iBeo01 ya I could beat a lot of wrestlers at wrestling. It helps that I wrestled all throughout school and have additional wrestling from BJJ and MMA
how many guys beat you but you don't post it 😂
@@godsfavoritt771 How about you back up your smart mouth and go fight him yourself? Oh, yeah, you're just a keyboard warrior who does all his fighting behind a computer screen. Weak sauce, dude.
MMA would destroy all karate and Kung fu
You calling him cocky is the epitome of hypocrisy 🤣
It’s all for the video
@Ingi-Natura-Renovatur-Integra Stupid reasoning.
@Ingi-Natura-Renovatur-Integra Nah, cockiness is cockiness... if you're confident you don't need to crow about it, you just do it.
@Ingi-Natura-Renovatur-Integra😂
@Ingi-Natura-Renovatur-IntegraWhat kinda black pill garbage gutter hole did you crawl out of?
I competed 10 years judo and 12 years no gi. Beat a lot of wrestlers using guillotines. The first time I went up against a wrestler that was a d1 5th place nationally I found out how different some wrestlers are. Dude felt like he weighed twice of me. Not sure what this guys wrestling credentials are but in my experience the d1 guys are built different. Great video!
Are you 5th place nationally in Judo and Nogi then?
Wrestlers know how to maximize their leverage and most are very fit and strong.
Yeah some of use wrestled in HS no shame but nothing special, then there are those who know the dark arts 🎭
Nicky Rod wasn't D1, and he's the best wrestler to ever do it so I don't think wrestling for a D1 school means all that much.
@@claymac7895 best wrestlers go to mma so they can make real money. Nicky Rod was d3 wrestler. Go watch Bo Nickal three time d1 national champ run through a jujitsu gym with little to no training in jujitsu. Any person who has grappled a d1 wrestler will tell you there’s a big difference it’s just not even debatable.
As a RN, “The grip of a dementia patient” is a great line 😂
Facts
My grandma was 98 years old, 12 years into dementia, maybe 80 pounds, and could have shattered my forearm with one bad impulse.
What means RN? its not Republican Nationalist, I guess. Sorry, non native speaker.
@@kevinfleischer2049 it could be: "Rash Navel"
I believe he means Registered Nurse@@kevinfleischer2049
"How much time we've left?"
"4 minutes"
"Fuck"
I felt that 😂
No swearing please.
Huge respect to you both. Great sportsmanship with sense of humor.
Pretty good but the BJJ guy seemed kind of mean and arrogant. I guess if you have a real beef with someone you would be that way though. Still a bit of humility would make him look bettter. More charismatic and likable in his victory by taking the high ground so to speak even in victory instead of lowering himself to his opponents level with hate and trash talk.
@@rodtack8420 Didn't really come across as mean and arrogant. This has always been Tyler's sense of humor on his channel and he's about as self-deprecating as they come in many instances. They both came into this challenge with what appears to me to be a high level of back-and-forth banter and faux trash talk. I wouldn't read too much into it. It's certainly not what I would consider "hate" in any case.
@@rodtack8420 it is sarcasm
Tyler is coming across as real arrogant with his skills...
@@rodtack8420They’re friends. It’s not like they’re competitors in a sport. This is extremely tame commentary.
Ryan's a good sport - respect
Hell yeah. Props to Ryan
when I was 1 stripe blue (pushing 50 years old) a very fit / athletic 20 year old wrestler came in to "try" a class. We rolled in open mat. he was no-gi and I was gi. I don't wrestle and I only train gi.... Wrestlers go super intense and although it was supposed to be a light round he was giving me 150%. He got the pin... and a headlock and I congratulated him for scoring points in the sport we weren't doing and then 5 seconds later took his back after doing a text book head lock escape. Have to say it was very satisfying since gym owner/professor was watching to make sure it didn't get out of hand while I gently folded the clothes of a 180 lb tornado while he was still wearing them.
Awesome, bro.
Sounds like he was better than you and you did a sneaky distraction 🤔 😂
A pin and a headlock are important in bjj as well. From a pin in a good position you can punch in a fighting sense.
Bullshit lol headlock escape mahaha
Did everyone applaud after
Respect to him for actually following through with the bet 👏 great video
Shouldn't even be a question of if, since it was a bet. But I guess nowadays with the paul brothers as "exemples" fulfilling a bet is exception. Go figure.
I love to see two guys with big differences of opinon take it to the mat and competitively end it in a friendly manner. I enjoyed it and learned some stuff in the process. Thanks!
Olympic Level Wrestler + BJJ Black Belt = Absolutely a Monster
I think someone is underestimating Burroughs double leg. He is on another level and it would be very hard to duplicate and train for that.
he's just joking
@@djibrilr6syou sure? He sounded serious 😂
@@dannysan1272yeah thats what i thought but im gonna give him the benefit of doubt bc he did say right after thank god it wasnt a gold medalist shooting
Seriously, Ryan was an average high school wrestler in a state that isn’t know for wrestling. Any mid level wrestler has more in their arsenal than just a double leg and this would have been more competitive. Ryan isn’t a good wrestler, like at all. I’d like to see him go against somebody who at a minimum wrestled in college. Jordan Burroughs is a different animal. I couldn’t tell if he was joking
This dude is so arrogant it's ridiculous.
I would love to see a video of a jujitsu guy trying wrestling. It’s always a wrestler trying something different and everyone shitting on him.
Because wrestling is just pin and take downs. No one cares, BJJ is ruthless with so many submissions
jujitsu practitioners in wrestling unless they are at a high level would instantly get shit on. Wrestlers can compete against jujitsu guys in jiujitsu alot better than jujitsu guys can compete against wrestlers in wrestling if that makes sense.
He'd get pinned 4 times in 30 seconds
My old MMA/BJJ coach would go to them on occasion in San Diego. He never won first place since he only wrestled a couple of years in middle school but he beat a few guys and picked up some cool new moves. I wish wrestling had a more chill culture like bjj does. I think the very nature of competiting for the starting spot for each weight class makes it a whole different vibe. Back in middle school I didn't win the starting spot in my weight class until I dropped a full 3 weight classes (I was fat not starving), then around sophmore year I started to niche my spot on my highschool team and I really felt the hate from some of those dudes who wanted my spot. It wasn't like I was did anything extra with them at practice either it was just this knowing their JV thing and I was the reason for it. BJJ is way healthier since everyone can just go to the tournament and wins and losses aren't as crazy (unless your pro or something crazy like that).
@@cachestache2485 Yes bbj is a much healthier sport. Wrestling is arguably more competitive which makes everyone a lot more aggressive
The problem with these wrestling vs jui jitsu competitions is that they are almost always favored toward the submission aspect. The wrestlers job is to get you down and the bjj guys are already down. You need to add a 3rd element to off balance both instead of throwing bjj into his element. You need to add ground and pound for it to be a truly fair match up. Not that it’ll ever happen but that’s when you see the bjj guys lose to wrestlers.
BJJ is not for actual fighting, it's just a sport. In a real fight there are no rules. Your opponent can hit back, you can be bitten, eye gouged... etc. You grab somebody in a real fight and all bets are off. Fingers in the mouth... and so on.
@@OmegaMouse This is the thing a lot of people forget, you need to straight up train multiple sports to be a good fighter. You need boxing, kick boxing, some kind of wrestling like grappling, with less jiu jitsu.
Its the reason combat sambo and even wrestling sambo tends to beat jiu jitsu even in jiu jitsu rules because even Sambo wrestling its jiu jitsu + judo + wrestling.
Remember keep those horizons open everyone, what those on the other side of the pond are doing might be filling the gaps in your game
@@OmegaMouse In a real fight an elite wrestler will almost always beat a top tier elite BJJ specialist because wrestling is all about positioning. If Gable Stevenson fought Gordon Ryan in a street fight he'd double leg him and out position him and once he got dominant control he'd lay down a ton of damage with the striking.
@@OmegaMouse It is for actual fighting, you just have to incorporate other aspects into your game. Knowing how to do more always helps. BJJ guys can do all the cheap moves too, and then they will have training and technique on top of all that.
The problem with adding ground and pound is that it wouldnt be a bjj vs wrestling fight anymore, it becomes mma
Huge respect and display of being a good sport. Lots of younger ones watching you both I'm sure. You both have taught them some important life lessons in this vid, well done.
who else desperate to see jordan beat up tyler
He claims he'd put Jordan in a guillotine. Either he's delusional , full of shit , or trolling us for comments and laughs .
I love the respectful trash talking and sportsmanship! Great video guys!
No training whatsoever but I wrestled for years against various people beat a HS state champ horribly and got cocky. I had considerable strength never ending stamina and speed considering my size. I beat sometimes as many as 4 or 5 people at a time and got too used to winning against mediocre challengers. I went against a college wrestler who was 5th in the country and he beat me like a red headed step child every single time we went at it but I never gave up because I was learning from him. he was also like 50 pounds lighter then me or so and man handled me lol. I wish I had access to BJJ here in podunk Maine when I was younger I think learning multiple styles can only be a benefit to anyone. The main thing I learned was to never ever underestimate anyone yet always have the mindset that you will not lose no matter the cost. Sportsmanship is everything imo and this video shows that even in a loss you keep your head high but also concede with grace lol! Much respect. Stay with it till you can't anymore!
My wife's nephew was a D3 national champ runner-up in wrestling and a high school florida state champion. He entered a jiu jitsu tournament two months ago with zero jits experience. He won the tournament and took home a few hundred dollars. I'm just saying there are plenty of wrestlers who would smoke a jits black belt.
Jits guys are VERY arrogant.
See my comment this fool thicks he can take Jordan Burroughs! Wot!!
The true - ole
youre comparing a decent wrestler to a beginnger comp with white belts? thats like a boxing champ going in a day care and saying hes the hardest dude. you put a pound for pound dude with same number of years grappling against one another and ill take the juju guy.
@@ty8012they didn't say what level the kid competed at. I find it hard to believe the comp let him compete against white belts. A D3 wrestler is not a "decent" lol. The goober in this video is decent.
@@maat826 because he says he has next to no Jujitsu experience so I'm pretty sure he's likely not qualifying for an adcc Championship or something. Little to no experience with equate to a white belt certainly not anything above a blue bell.
Algo wouldn't let me type a paragraph, but accepted the paragraph one sentence at a time.
Sometimes you can type the paragraph in the search bar, copy and paste it to the comment area.
annoying, isn't it? the comment section is becoming unusable.
@@GraveUypo Just have to adjust to the throttling is all. Copy/pasta big comments into notepad, refresh to see if your comment lasts more than 30 seconds. If it disappears, find some key words that may have triggered it and use different words and phrases that mean the same thing.
It's not the style that's Superior, it's the man.
He keeps making rookie mistakes .... Is this dude like a guy who wrestled like 1 year in school and now says he's a wrestler?
The Viper rashgaurd goes hard. I have been practicing BJJ for a little over 6 months now and I have watched a lot of your videos while at work and studied your guillotine. I have a smaller figure so I always have trouble getting enough of my arm around the neck before they know whats happening. You technique is crazy. And I see the SCSU shirt in the intro :)
Graduated in 2018! I’ve entered you to the contest amigo. I’ll be doing more contests going forward
I really appreciate it! @@TylerSpangler
@@TylerSpanglerI will point out he is playing your game by your rules. Include striking into your match. Then eliminate rules. Like real life. I’ve seen people be really good in the guard, until elbows and fists start landing them from the top. Also, in the street, a thumb in the eye or an ear getting ripped off usually stops that arm bar or choke. Almost all the valuable tools in real life like Shaolin Chi-na are illegal even in ufc, but can eliminate most submissions outright. They deserve practice and respect as they have been used for millennia.
Don’t get me wrong, I really respect the skill set that jujitsu provides, especially fighting off your back. But it’s more of a chess match and sport. I’m older than you guys so don’t appreciate that as much since I have people I care about to defend. I’m not sure why this came up in my feed, but your video shows you acting exactly the same as the adjectives you used on the wrestler. Respect everyone. It’s prob some 75 year old 130 lb guy that knows 100 ways to kill you with a seat belt that will teach you humility. 😊
@@truthseeker8123 bruh
"a Jehovah's witness trying to get to your door" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! This is the first time I checked out your channel and that was unexpected.
When’s the Tyler Vs Jordan Burroughs match happening though?
As soon as he stops ducking me I’m posting it
This is cool and all but when was the last time a jiu-jitsu guy won any belt at any weight class in any mma promotion. Wrestling plus striking is always going to be the winning combination.
Exactly, BJJ guys win BJJ matches against wrestlers. Who would have thought?
But how does that translate into actual fights? Simple, the ranking of UFC fighters with the most successful title fights is dominated by people with a wrestling base, not BJJ.
That is because the wrestlers and strikers train bjj themselves though. If they were whitebelts…..
Wrestlers in MMA train BJJ too. With only wrestling they wouldn't get far
They're all training BJJ as an essential. You forget it's there in the same way that a fish might forget the presence of water.
The problem that all wrestling-focused arts have in common is the idea that every fight ends on the ground and that the other person will follow the rules. The ground (pavement, cement, concrete) is not friendly. The environment rarely works for wrestling, and people you piss off or that just come at you don't have to follow your rules. I've seen a lot of wrestling types get beat down in clubs and on the street. Hell, even the Gracies had to start mixing up their "better than every other martial art" martial art with a lot of kicks, punches, and techniques from other martial arts just to survive matches once they no longer could rig the UFC.
Hey, if you are going to hug me instead of fight me, I am going to adjust...
"I've got the grip of a dementia patient" 😭😭😭 lol 😂
It depends though on what sport they are competing in?
Imagine a blackbelt showing up to the Penn State wrestling room. I doubt he does anything against them
This mirrors my minimal experience with wrestlers in Judo. I remember when I was a green belt and the sensei introduced some state wrestling champ to the group. He was built like a fire hydrant and very cocky.
I was his first partner for randori and pretty nervous. He was in way better shape than me and "wrestler" had an aura of invincibility. At the time, I didn't know anything about a wrestler's "kit."
Immediately he shot for my leg, and I thought about Ken Shamrock vs Dan Severn (1995) and the many guillotine chokes. I immediately wrapped his neck and took him down. It was over in seconds.
After that, his attitude changed. He was no longer cocky and I could tell he had a new found respect for Judo. He grappled with caution and did his best. He seemed much more open to learning about Judo rather than, what appeared to be, an attitude of superiority where he'd show us all how great he was.
@@tvtvtvtv98 Me either. Tell us about the time you lassoed the moon hot shot. Hahaha this f###ing guy!
That’s nonsense. Maybe the worst state champion of the worst state. Ha ha
since when can you shoot for the legs in judo?
i'll take stuff that never happened for $100, Alex.
@@willx7648 Alex, I'll take cocky commenters on UA-cam for a $1,000.
Alex: "Since when can you shoot for the legs in Judo?"
When this was his first Judo class and had no idea what the rules were. He had about an hour of instruction in Judo and defaulted to what he knew. This was the first thing he did as we started.
Hey man, don't be a obnoxious online. We can all play that game. There are people on the other side of these comments. Call me a liar when you don't know what happened and weren't there? Think before you post.
I'll take alcohol for a reason (been there).
@@tvtvtvtv98 Why? WTF would I gain by lying about this experience on this channel? It happened and it's not that remarkable of a story, but is relevant to this video.
I don’t know about that Jordan Burroughs comment though. He doesn’t put his head to the side. He does a hard blast double where his head drives straight through you.
Jeginks Han invented gun powder😂 ,so we can all be equal 😂
Man the home crowd was really happy to see Ryan lose lol
It was like my own little fan club even without you
As a white belt I’m looking forward to your instructional. I have landed a few, but more have gotten away. That being said, I think the hillbilly rash guard will definitely help me land some more. I’ll buy the matching shorts using your promo code too.
Get Danaher's front headlock instructional instead. This guy is really a black belt? If I were just watching the video with no context, I would think mid blue belt who loves guillotine. I'm not a troll type either, I'm being completely honest.
Jui Jitsu has its place. The first four UFCs showed what happens when you don't know how to fight on the ground. Learn it as part of your arsenal.
With the same tenacity as a Jehova witness coming to your front door , that really cracked me up!! You da man brother!
Definitely gonna get the guillotine instructional. 3 yr white belt, think id be a blue belt if i had The game of chokes rashguard 😢
Ooo that’s a good one! Added to the drawing
Remember it's not about the destination it's about the journey.
Remember brotha you’ll get your blue belt when you’re ready for it! Waited two years for mine and now I’m 4 years in.
I wrestled from middle school all the way through college. I've personally seen elite All American level wrestlers out position and stall out top level BJJ blackbelts. So it's possible. I've also seen wrestlers even below that surprisingly handle purple and brown belts
You can here clearly see why kicks, knees, elbows and strikes are necessary instruments in fighting.
Repeating the same mistake multiple times expecting a different result isn't insanity. It's simply failure to adapt.
Double legs forever
Next match will have to be a wrestling contest
@ryanjuliano good match!
I am just wondering if the wrestlers know they are at a massive disadvantage in this friendly rolling. BJJ has so many sub's that doesn't have permanent damage, the wrestling is made to control your opponent while applying some ground and pound, they don't train sub's they train control. Great Video.
Wrestlers are not. They control the pace and the positions.
@@shad3128 um....did you read my post?
You think ground and pound is permanent damage? 😂
@@davidjones8043 No use in responding to this, it shows its ignorance just by being posted. I mean, really, this is the best you could do to troll?
"grip of a dementia patient"🤣🤣
"...but I've got the grip of a dementia patient" 😂 That comment alone was worth the 7 minutes!
This guy is like a white belt in BJJ, and you really struggled with him.
That was freestyle grappling. One man could do whatever he wanted. He also knew he only had to defend one thing.... So yeah it took him a few minutes to choke a grown man, when the grown man knew he was trying to choke him.... If he wanted to do other things, it would have gone faster.
Hi Tyler,
I love all the designs! I don’t actually own a rash guard(I do Gi 99% of the time and wear a swim shirt when I do no-Gi). I’ve never landed a guillotine and I feel like one of your rash guards would give me the extra horse power needed to tie the knot. I’d get the matching shorts with your code too! Love the videos thank you
Bro get some rash guards ur going to get a staph infection if ur not careful
@@tommurphy9147 thanks for the advice! I shower immediately after classes and wash my Gi after each use - 10 months of BJJ and Ive only dealt with minor injuries, no staph thankfully ;)
@@tommurphy9147How come staph infections are so common in BJJ? And why do rash guards prevent this?
@@robertdemon3550 skin to skin contact if somebody is really dirty or has been in contact with an infection. The chance of getting something is higher when you factor in that some people don’t shower right after their classes/rolls.
I’m a black belt, and got shredded by a wrestler 50 lbs lighter. Granted, he was ranked top 10 in the world and has rolled with ADCC world champs.
Wrestling is a different sport. A judo practitioner would literally never get the back of a skilled wrestler. Simply put wrestlers at the higher levels really only care about take downs and riding time. There is nothing in judo that is going to stop that. There is nothing in judo that is going to escape that. It would be at best a stalemate for the judo practitioner and likely a lose for them due to the wrestler putting their weight on them for a very long time. Eventually that wears someone down for free.
"Grip like a dementia patient"....I gotta use that bit
i laughed so fucking hard at this
Do you think you could guillotine a golfer? How about a spelling bee champion? What do you say, tough guy? I can match you up with former PBA champion, Doug Kent. Think you can guillotine him? C'mon tough guy!
As someone who has both wrestled and trained some BJJ, I gotta say BJJ players are beastly. I'm not fanboying at all, it's almost a completely different thing. What wrestlers call a "pin" is for BJJ, only the start of the match. I'm also not ripping on wrestling, but you have to know that BJJ just takes all of their ideas to an entirely new level. Also there is a lot of physically crippling nastiness in traditional BJJ that is just plain illegal, vicious, and not trained at all in wrestling. It's also a great way to humble boxers and karateka, they both have absolutely nothing on the ground and will shortly be taking a nap in even friendly sparring, which they better hope it is. I would love to train BJJ more, but it is hella expensive and I frequently get injured.
interesting response considering most BJJ I see is people scooting their asses along the ground trying to start the fight already on the ground. not to say BJJ sucks but, I've definitely seen more than a few BJJ guys that can't seem to figure out how to get the fight to the ground in the first place. ground game don't mean much when you can't get them there in the first place.
Dude is like a little spider 😂😂
The cocky ones always end up getting Spangled. Always. 😂
The Spangler special!
ha ha good sport at the end good lad
Ryan’s actually pretty awesome. It was hard to do my normal commentary with him lol
Great stuff, Burroughs is an insanely different monster though lol.
“Fortunately it’s not a gold medalist, it’s just Ryan” that cracked me up 😂😂😂😂
That’s what happens when a wrestler doesn’t wanna expand his game! I once was hard headed too 😅 wrestle-jitsu is the way ! Not just wrestle lol
Why would a wrestler need to expand his game when he's training for wrestling?
@@jumbothompsonto be a complete fighter. Training just one martial art is stupid
The cocky ones always tap!
The guillotine claims another one
Against a high level jits guy and your only grappling experience is wrestling you want to use it to keep yourself standing. Stay standing at all costs, break away and strike, use trips and pushes if you're confident your strength and skill will keep you from going to the ground. I know this is a grappling competition, so staying standing is going to be tough. Adding in striking will completely change the game.
Already saw what a JACKED Wrestler can do to a BJJ Black Belt back in 2001.
Mark Coleman vs Allan Góes
High level wrestlers give everyone problems in the gym, including blackbelts.
The reversals are so beautiful! You represent BJJ really well brother!
A Div 1 ranked College Wrestler will be a whole different story
As soon as I see cauliflower ear I avoid the ground lol
As a former wrestler who is a white belt in BJJ right now. I can confirm I was a guillotine buffet, but I've now upgraded to a guillotine charcuterie board.
..."with the same tenacity as Jehovah witness trying to get to your door..."
Now sir, that was hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
A pretty good match, wrestlers are of course coached to go for a defined pin, vs. you're going for submission and the two approaches are different. Wrestlers are forbidden from attempting a submission hold and as such I wouldn't expect a wrestler to easily be able to adopt that style nor would we know how to counter it. More precisely we are forbidden from encircling someone's head without an arm, and no one does. I'm not really surprised by the outcome. On the other hand if you had to obey the wrestler's rules in the match, I'm betting you'd have a difficult time. That said, it does seem like Jiu Jitsu would be a logical progression for a wrestler to advance their one on one combat skills.
Premium black short sleeve rash guard (I know it’s boring, but I’m a minimalist). I’m a proud wrestler, but when I was in college, I had a little fight club going. One day I met another wrestler and invited him to it. First two times I went up against him, like clockwork…he shot double, I went for guillotine. Third match, he kept his distance, I did a change up (regular to south paw) and threw a left kick to his mid section. Knocked the wind out of him. As a wrestler, I know the dangers of the double leg even in a street fight and I tend to avoid it. Knee striking on concrete doesn’t feel so good.
Also, that WWF rash guard has also been a fave, Scranton Spangler
The dictionary joke was the best.
Kudos to wrestler stepping out of the narrow rules in modern wresting.
The lack of ring and inclusion of techniques excluded from wresting really work in jui jutsu's favor. Plus the undoubted thousands of hours practicing those moves on others. He is formadable.
Its was master class in knowing your adversary better than they know themselves. But it was like watching a chess master, play chess against the 11th grade checkers champ. Not really satisfying because we knew the outcome but it was fun to watch happen.
This is fine in a one-on-one fight, but you'd never want to go to the ground in a street fight against multiple people where you'd just get kicked
Once they release you can finish in the crudest of manners.
Dude says he’ll guillotine Jordan Burroughs 🤦🏻♂️🥱 there’s levels to this fella.
Love when the BJJ got the judo, wrasslin, and submissions 💪🏽💯
It is a good marketing gimmick, to “grapple” a wrestler.
But I always find it disingenuous when someone from one sport challenges someone from another sport in their original sport.
It’s like “I beat Michael Jordan one on one.” But it was a professional bowler blowing against Jordan.
Even money says The BJJ guy is going likely to win at BJJ and the wrestler is going to win at wrestling.
Why don't more people feel this way about that? Wanker 30 pounds heavier 20 years younger than MMA guys fighting in boxing matches. It makes me want to puke
Hilarious narration, great form, and man, what a workout for both guys. Applause.
I used to think I was really good at submission wrestling until I got older and stopped weight training.. I was never muscle bound but had a build like a gymnast, at 165 lbs I used to bench 315 in a few reps and squat a lot too, I have tapped out heavy weight wrestlers at 265 lbs… and I’d still tap out the average bjj wrestler for sure , but now I’m not as strong and realize I’m really not very good at bjj , it was mostly strength… I recall wrestling a small 130lb Chinese guy in my bjj class years ago and I’d man handle him but his technique was incredible, I couldn’t tap him, so strength really helps…
Good video! I honestly never understand why us wrestlers don't go for more single leg shots instead of doubles, especially since most people dont really have a submission defense on the go as easy as the guillotine.
Αmateur college freestyle grecoroman tranditional wrestling have suplex slams not guillotines but in a free game or streetfight can beat easy judo or jujutsu
Why he didn't do anything other than shoot is beyond me, especially when he knew what the other guy was going to do.
I love watching you work. You are extremely technical and obviously paying attention.
Big difference is rules also. Cant strangle people in wrestling.
Double legs are too risky, he should have switched it up. Single legs work and keep the neck safer
I'm over 53 years of age and could easily take both of these guys in serious game of thumb wrestling............
I love that rashguard! LOL Ryan wearing it was hilarious! Honestly, you both have great skillz!
6:15 Thaat is exactly how khabib escaped from Duntin’s guillotine!!! As someone that knows nothing about this, I never understood how he did it!! Thanks for explaining!!
Congrats on choking out a guy who apparently never even won a state championship?
Dude said “I don’t care if Jordan Burroughs is shooting a double on me…” your feet would be above your head, you aren’t doing what you think you would.
0:06 Black Khabib is the real Khabib!
Hoping he makes a comeback soon here
Yea, if you have big mouth make sure you can back it, thing is there's always someone better than you and anything can happen in a fight no matter how good you are. I can't stand cocky arrogant idiots.Tyler you thrashed this guy, well done.
"I've got the grip of a dementia patient"...🤣
Subbed.
Never thought I would be watching a video on UA-cam featuring a man "mounting" another man.
The funny thing with him is, "All you can do is the guillotine!" The fight was 3 guillotines to win, so yes, he will be only using the guillotene. I'm keeping my mouth shut, you guys could fold me up and put me in an envelope. I know better than that. Great fighting though guys and well done for taking the challenge. Thanks for sharing
Blue dragon rash guard! I really like how you spinned him around multiple times and pulled it off. Strong stuff. Newbie here
“Grip of a dementia Pt.” 🤣🤣🤣 oh yeah I’m definitely subbing.
I've been training bjj for 10 years and I can tell you that wearing someone else's fully wet rashguard is absolutely disgusting.
The flamazing rashguard is really cool, I’m a white belt been training since january and have hit only 2-3 guillotines in that time, I’m looking forward to your instructional
Wrestling or judo combined with judo make you almost invencible.
Watched the vid after fending off censorship. Real cute on the mats. Try that on concrete where a wrestler can lift you up even while you have a guillotine choke, and slam you on your spine possibly paralyzing you. Also, research a wrestler named Stunning Steve Austin. His finisher was called the "Stun Gunner". Pretty much a grab from the front, lift, then fall with opponent's neck hitting the top rope and snapping back with your weight, and your opponent's weight. Now imagine there is a 3 foot fence nearby your combat location. Imagine the wrestler grabs you from the front, a bear hug with both arms inside. You are so confident with the front headlock that isn't there because your arms are trapped. Now imagine seeing the top of the fence get closer and closer to your face in about half a second and then a blackout. Possibly permanent. BJJ is GREAT for a points based system. Not much for real determined fighting where death is on the line though.
"...the grip of a dimentia patient" lol, im stealing this and modifying as needed
I used to teach defensive tactics to military and law enforcement agencies. In Korea, I had a young kid challenge me during a lecture that he could beat me easily. He was an Iowa high school wrestling champion and a strapping young man, which is commendable, so I invited him to roll with me after class because he called me out in front of my students. He shot in, and I feigned being overpowered and went right into my guard. I got him into a nasty triangle choke within about five seconds which was my gameplan from the start, and he tapped. The whole class was watching, they began laughing. He was understandably embarrassed, so he challenged me again. I did not oblige because the point was made. Confidence is a valuable thing, but anyone who has spent any time rolling with someone who knows anything at all about ground-fighting also has to embrace the humility of it. That's the only way we get better. I'm not even close to the level that Tyler is. I would love to train with him, but no way would I pretend to be at his skill level. I could probably out shoot him with a firearm because I'm a very high-level shooter, but I'd be considered a novice at best with jiu-jitsu. I sure as hell wouldn't wear his sweaty rash guard. Haha.