You are uncovering an unfortunate truth of any sports martial art, they work best when you follow their rules. Not so much when you don't! I honestly think just about every martial art has it's place (well, almost every art), but in the end it's a game of rock paper scissors.
Sorry Jesse, I didn't watch until the end. My business partner (in a martial arts business of course) was an AFP officer, who's job it was to work with heads of state and keep them safe. Their organisation put BJJ into the curriculum for CPP and GD roles and after about 2 years pulled it all back out again. Statistically, the officer injury went up dramatically when the officer went to the ground with the offender. To solidify their decision a serious fight occurred in the city where I live, where a highly ranked (and well known) BJJ guy got into a fight one Friday night. He quickly and easily pulled his opponent to the ground and established top mount in moments, right before the opponent's mate kicked him in the head and put him in a coma... That is not to say BJJ doesn't have it's place, it does. You summed it up perfectly, there is a time and place, and the ground is the last place you want to be in a real fight.
@@mikebennett938 Put someone in coma so easily? Sorry to hear that! So this is a REAL fight which always commented by those keyboard warriors what kinds of martial arts doesn't work that one in hospital & one in jail or no punishment to the winner?
Good video. As black belt in Budokaido And Goujurio karate and as a kid who grew up in the streets of Kathmandu fighting, I approved it. Ground game is the last last resort. Last palce you wanna be in any fight.
Don't you ever try to exaggerate like that again. How dare you find extremely funny something that is just moderately funny. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I was about to quit watching the vid, then I saw the "winners don't quit" wall so I kept watching. I was about to quit again and the song kicked in, so I'm fully commited now.
“There is no second place medal on the street”. The second place medal on the street is a hospital bed or coffin. The first place medal is a jail cell.
That would be where cross training into JUDO or wrestling would come in. Wrestlers have arm awareness etc. Another words not hanging an arm out there to get caught by.
@@joeaardvark9214 just saying each martial art has its advantages and disadvantages which is why cross training would be important . Bruce Lee recognized weaknesses in some martial arts and started Jeet Kune Do.
@@huguesdepayens807 If you're standing against multiple attackers, you can run. If you're on the ground against multiple attackers, you are done. Big difference.
@@danman6612 Not if you're actively engaged in a fight with someone which is what we're discussing. Do you think a group of people is incapable of stopping you from running?
@@huguesdepayens807 What I'm saying is that if you're standing against multiple attackers, you have a much better chance at getting away and surviving than if you're on the ground against multiple attackers. Sure, you are at a disadvantage either way, but your chances of survival are greatly reduced the moment you go to the ground. Common sense.
As a purple belt I can confirm that the biggest flaw in jiu jitsu is the lack of takedowns. Not very many jiu jitsu fighters learn them. Not a whole lot of coaches teach them. I always tell people that jiu jitsu is only effective if you can take your opponent to the ground and keep them there
mainly because untrained people can't stop a takedown, even a bad one. And training takedowns are where a lot of injuries happen. Unless your fighting a wrestler or MMA fighter, BJJ practitioners don't really need to drill TD's.
@@ManBat420 judo has pretty much been bastardized to be takedowns ONLY at this point. and every child and middle aged overweight parent does it. takedowns really aren't that dangerous. you're right if you're a strict BJJ fighter you don't need them. but if you want to become a complete fighter and love fighting as a whole you should train them, just like judokas should train grappling.
@@Seliimhannot dangerous? In combat a takedown is more like smashing your opponent to the ground. What you're talking about is something of a safe sport, when the conversation is more about combat and self-defense.
I like an ankle pic, arm drag to valley drop, double or single leg. Lot of other throws don't get used, I think, because they aren't as effective. Its the bjj rule set that results in the butt scooting, every sport has its version of this issue (Jesse mentions a karate match where the guy who was knocked out was the winner). Its a sport, we agree up front to wrestle on the ground. If you want to see more takedowns, outlaw the guard pull. Another issue is a lack of action because of holding, now we have submission only matches, anything is possible really.
I was going to say lol. He basically went to a streetside grappling tournament where the rule is to engage and see who can get the opponent down first and didn't want to do it. He even grapples in the end when he plays by the rules so he just proved the point of the tournament.
@@nobilityishere No, because everyone else agreed to a set of rules to compete with each other. That would be like running in circles from a boxer and saying boxing doesn't work. Like comparing apples and oranges.
Been learning BJJ the past five months and my ground work has gotten really good. We don't ignore takedowns so I've gotten pretty good at forcing people to the ground. However, my friend who trains MMA wanted to see if he defend my takedowns. Because I only practiced against guys who did BJJ my takedowns were useless. I have had no experience trying to takedown someone throwing kicks, punches and knees at me. Humbling but that's why I'm taking up other forms of martial arts to complement my BJJ.
@@daniel-1998 Really, any martial art with enough sparring to train your reflexes and situational awareness. Techniques rarely matter in a street fight, as you will need to use everything at your disposal, including undehanded tactics. Street fighting is not a sport, it's about survival.
After 10 years of practicing BJJ on and off, currently a purple belt (stuck here for 5 years) I've found a school where we start every roll standing, pulling guard is frowned upon and discouraged. Our coach is both a bjj/judo bb so at least 30-40% of the technique is takedowns, sweeps, and throws. It's hard af but I love it.
This is why I get frustrated when I ended up pulling guard cause I don’t find it as practical. I always try to go for other things but they are def harder.
When BJJ went to Brazil it didn't go as BJJ, it was Judo, however, when it was passed to the Gracie family, one of the smaller brothers realized he could never win against bigger judo fighters except with submissions from the ground and thus pulling guard and BJJ was born, taking this in consideration we realize that BJJ is specialized in countering bigger/better judo practitioners where takedowns are impossible, however, pulling guard has always meant to be a defence against a takedown so that you go to the ground on your own terms, doing your own takedown should always be preferred, especially if you're not against judo.
You can do the same thing with literally every combat sport as long as you don’t care about winning. That’s why they have refs that will penalize you for not engaging.
I thought this comment loosely applies to some martial arts but wouldn't apply to striking ones like Muay Thai. Then I remembered Rod Tang vs Walter Goncalves and I now totally agree with this statement. That fight was beautiful. Goncalves lost though but disengaging in all MAs is still overpowered. Like, when I think about it if there is no round limits and it's knockout only, being defensive is the full-proof, winning strategy. No Muay Thai fighters are trained to fight someone who is not fighting back. Clinching and leg kicks don't work if the opponent is moving and out of range.
@@kideo_h "No Muay Thai fighters are trained to fight someone who is not fighting back" Then can’t one just stop fighting if it's a real-life scenario? Also, it gives the impression that the Muay Thai fighter is the aggressor. "Clinching and leg kicks don't work if the opponent is moving and out of range." Fine everybody can go home. Win-win
@@DeadManWalking-ym1oo some people do move their heads into the punch and then under, because it both minimizes potential damage of a windup and has a chance of completely avoiding any damage, giving you a counter. Nicolino Locche who was dubbed the "Untouchable" mastered this technique, so it's not that it's impossible, just really hard and ineffective for most people.
Fortunately, Brazilians have discovered this fatal flaw and adopted a new style - Mac 10. Highly effective whether or not you want to participate and play along.
In the 80's when asked "what martial art is best to protect yourself " a Master answered: " first avoid confrontation,second run if you can ...but if you can't do that do anything that is illegal in Martial arts ...in street fights there are no rules" .
Yeah, as a BJJ guy, my coach teaches us both Judo and BJJ. He's real big on knowing how to sweep opponents to the ground first, then jump into BJJ mode, but you have to be able to get them to the ground, not just wait for them to join you. And i totally agree, all martial arts have their place. It's great to practice as many as you can, and it absolutely matters the kind of person using it.
You most likely dont even need BJJ if you know Judo already. After you slam your opponent head on a concrete ground, you will likely already be booked for prison cell anyway 😂
you practice a useless art lmao less than 30% of fights end on the ground and keep going, 100% of fights end on the ground after you lose consciousness
@@Chafa9duce I just learned about Sambo like a month ago. Seems pretty good. My coach offers Muay Thai as well at the dojo. I don't know how to strike effectively, so I thought about doing that, too?
Respectfully, I don’t think this actually proves anything about BJJ being a faulty martial art. I think it just proves you only showed one fight and didn’t show your other loses outside sparring. Even if u did only participate in one fight, at the minimum all we know for sure is either that guy wasn’t the best jiu jitsu artist, or u got lucky. Either way, you can’t really prove such a thing unless u can show multiple instances of the martial art failing, which you didn’t. I would honestly like to see more of this and see you disprove its reliability.
I just started training in Jujitsu and my sensei constantly remind us not to just lay down because he said people are being lazy and in a real fight that's not where you want to be. We work on grappling standing and even getting back to our feet when we are on our backs. This video does show the ludicrous part of BJJ but thats why it should be a tool in the bag and not the sole thing to rely on, we train striking as well as wrestling.
BJJ stand up isn't very effective. It is 95% ground and 5% stand up so not very effective - you need to do a stand up martial art that is effective and can be integrated with BJJ such as Muay Thai or Judo.
Bjj is about the action to the reaction and vis versa. From what I have learnt as an early student, it’s about feeling your opponent. If you are standing in a street fight and you keep your distance you are winning. If some one is up in your face close the distance, you can see the attack is coming so you make your move, there is many variations you can use for a takedown but first you must feel what the enemy is doing. If you are good either way you are taking that sucker to the ground and with proper technique that enemy is done for
Imagine agreeing to a boxing match and then decide to run in circles. Then claiming sprinting is better than boxing. you literally entered a BJJ tourney and didn't want to play by the game rules and complained.
Well the point of this martial art is to train your ground/grappling skills, so of course tournaments of this martial art gravitate towards ground game... You could say that boxing is ridiculous because no legs can be used, so you're gonna start kicking people and getting disqualified from tournaments? You need to master different aspects of fighting and if you don't train your ground game you'll just never be good on the ground. (also this is white belt so the other dude probably had no experience fighting, a blue belt tournament would have lead to the ground through a takedown)
@@InfoGDotG However... White belt guard pullers are funny as shit. They just simply didn`t understand that entrance to the ground game is by... wait for it... takedown xD.
@@JanKowalski-pe9lo They are funny yes but it's also advised... last thing you want is for white belt amateurs to throw each other around and fall badly, that's why pulling guard is trained at lower levels. Professionals pulling guard is ridiculous and should be penalised more, but it's hard to force people to stay on their feet when 99% of the finishes will happen on the ground anyways, a standing match waiting for takedowns is boring (Judo is fun because being on the ground makes you lose, it's a bit like playing "lava" and avoiding the ground :D)
@@KizokuOniiUzumaki yeah I've seen a lot of street fights and been in them many times, never once saw someone pull guard and say come on bro let's fight lol
Bro’s confidence is 10/10, he entered a tournament not caring if he would look weird. Also, his opponent, a grown man, refuses to stand up, even if it’s BJJ, that just ain’t right
@@KasumiRINA well it's not classical wrestling. In BJJ the important part is that he has contact with the opponent when he sits down (called "pulling guard") once he's down if the opponent breaks the grip doesn't mean he can just run away. Now he's on top, he needs to try to pass the guard.
@@smacktard6051 "Oh Taekwondo won't work because they can only kick" "Oh Karate has rules so they can't go to the streets" "Oh BJJ guys need to know when to stand up." "Lol a Judo guy will throw me on the ground and call it a day?" Martial Arts have rules to be used in training, sparing, and tournaments with referees. Obviously, in a street fight, the following will happen: Taekwondo fighters will use punches; Karate will disregard the 'rules' such as no kicks on the face, BJJ will throw you in the ground and use illegal techniques (a.k.a they will break your foot/hand if you try to break out of a submission), and Judo guys will throw you in CONCRETE/ASPHALT ground. Martial Arts CAN and WILL kill. In Vietnam War, a few South Korean troops engaged againts Vietcongs. When both sides ran out of ammo, they engaged in melee. Turns out that if a Korean using combat army boots kicks you on the face, you will indeed die! (Taekwondo was used by Korean Army back then) It is like Jesse said at the end. Just because in a Boxing ring there are rules, doesn't means that a Boxer won't break a rib or two if you attack him while screaming "WHEN I SEE RED ITS OVER, STREET FIGHTING FOR THE WIIIIN!". The tradition of Martial Arts (Martial = military) was to kill. Nowadays, they made it safe to use as a sport but if you break certain rules, it is still lethal. That is why referees stops a match when needed. A UFC/MMA fighter who goes limp and attacking anything infront of them is already unconscious. That is when the referee jumps in to stop a death.
@@smacktard6051I’ve worked in law enforcement settings and I knew nothing but BJJ and on a 1 on 1 BJJ when applied correctly will result in you being done for. This was a white belt tournament. Most blues or purples will grab you and not let go. You are going to end up on the ground unless you run away.
@@pauloviegas9918 Yes. But consider that this happened twice, once when Jigoro Kano introduced it and once when IJF removed the foot techniques from it.
On the street is where you prove it doesn't work, not in a rules-based sporting event. The ref might oppose my finger up to the knuckle in my opponents eye.
So this is actually an awesome video and take. I’m a multi-year BJJ practitioner and all three of the gyms I’ve practiced at all preached this as gospel. You don’t hang out on your back. You don’t pull guard in a self defense situation. In a struggle for self preservation you do everything in your power to keep your distance and keep mobile. One thing that gets lost in communication is that proper Jiujitsu is not meant to be ground fighting. It’s meant to be surgical wrestling. BJJ modified it for maximum stamina efficiency which is why it focuses so heavily on ground work and being dangerous off of your back. However my coaches and most of the best practitioners like Roger Gracie preach staying off your back if you can at all help it.
I think the laying on the back tactic comes from sport BJJ. Doing that in an MMA match or a real fight is a bad idea. I think it's still good to know what to do IF you end up on your back though
I know you guys all seemingly Train at amazing places but of the 6 places I've trained before, you still get the buttscoot special. It's how it is now. Even if it's not at YOUR school, when you compete that's what you're gonna get. Look at all the recent competition videos of 2023. Buttscoot and guard pulls overwhelm any good traditional grappling exchanges you'll find anywhere else. Everyone's looking for a leg or a sweep, or a stalemate. God bless the internet.
This guy very much disproved his own point at the beginning. He had to figure out how does Ju-jitsu work to cancel it, which proves that unless you fight with a person trained in anti-ju-jitsu tactics, it is going to work. It's like wearing a knife-proof vest to prove that knives are not effective weapons
@@carlbjorling6058No because he wasnt allowed to kick , punch , or do street style fighting.. eye gouges etc knee kicks Which is why Bjj is mid and only a support for an already developed skill set
He also kinda proved bjj works. Sure being on the ground isnt the best option if your opponent has friends nearby. But the point of bjj is to defeat your enemy with no striking and causing minimal damage unless necessary. If your opponent is standing up and leaving out of their own will, then you no longer need to fight and hence in a way youve won. Plus bjj is just a subcategory of juijitsu developed for passificism. If you really want to test the martial art, you should test jui jitsu itself as it includes strikes and more violent techniques aswell. Otherwise its like saying "im gonna prove boxing doesnt work, except the boxer can only use jabs". And if theres enough opponents that going to the ground will get you stomped, you shouldnt be trying to fight at all because they can intervine just as easily when youre all stood up. And if a much larger guy tackles me to the ground, id rather know how to escape or break his arm rather than just sit there getting pummeled. If people were smart,they'd realize they could just learn a martial art for both standing and ground, rather than glazing one and shitting in the other without any proper experience
@@harrypotter6894 No, it's because he literally went against the greenest white belt on the planet who didn't know how to do takedowns and only knew how to pull guard lmao
@@michaelheber2073 It's not something you can point your finger too. Every blackbelt worth their salt will just have some general experience, body control (balance, coordination) and solid basic techniques foundation that outperform anything any whitebelt can pull off.
I read an article by helio gracie, where he said that the self defence aspect of his art was being lost and if you look at his teaching syllabus from back in the day, there is at least 50% was standing techniques, armbars and throws, and ways to disengage from your attacker. Now it has become a sport, and many clubs don't even practice the self defence stuff any more.
My Dad is second Dan Wado under Ray Coates (RIP). I'm a Judo and Jujutsu blackbelt. It's a shame to see how bad Judo and BJJ has become from the original teachings of the Valente Brothers and the Gracie family.
@@captainkirk7513 When a self defense combat art is turned into a spectacle yes it's bad. The whole idea of it is to defend yourself from attack in unarmed combat. Now it's just a sport for people to watch in the UFC and honestly even in the UFC the most impressive and crowd pleasing wins are by KO from strikes.
I think that's why so many fighters now train in multiple styles. Bruce Lee talked alot about this when he was training. BJJ is amazing if you are in a locked box with one person. Out on the street the moment you goto the ground someone you never saw kicks you in the head.
You usually nonsense from people who've absolutely never Been in a street fight.. Guess what...without rules a BJJ fighter can...put you down and this might blow your mind...kick YOU in da heard too 😃..why didn't the fake in this video invite BJJ fighter's to a no rules competition? What's next enter a boxing competition kick the boxer to get a DQ then claim boxing don't work? Fair enough...say BJJ don't work then invite BJJ people to no rules contests...🤣🤣🤣. Show us how those "dEadLy" eye pokes work 🤣
@suckit4669 ot does. Let him prove it...don't enter a competition with rules then purposely break those rules to run away. Challenge BJJ people to a 1 v 1 mo ruled fight. Someone will absolutely accept. Then he can REALLY try his theory out...
I'm thinking BJJ is good to know when you are *already* on the ground but should mostly be used for disposing of the immediate threat so you can get back on your feet and switch back to something more suited for that position. For some reason I'm thinking of the fight between Indiana Jones and sword guy he shoots; play to *your* strengths, not *their* rules. Realistically in a "actual fight", the strategy should always be either "end the fight now" or "get into a better position" (both of which can often be accomplished by running away).
@@suckit4669 wtf, he said :BJJ is amazing if you are in a locked box with one person: 1v1 scenario... Also as the guy above said, BJJ is crazy, they are trained to get u on the ground, and they WILL get u on the ground, no matter what, it all comes down to WHO can win on the ground between both (1v1 scenario) cuz the guy on video was following rules just like him when the refereer told to grab, the other guy couldn't use moves and do certain things that could disqualify him.
This is an amazing and brave presentation. BJJ is always showed as one of the best for self-defense. Great to see you can refuse to go on the ground. And that BJJ is now a sport, not into the spirit of its origins.
I really wans't expecting it. I thought you'd go the safe way and have some kind of everybody's right conclusion. I think it's great you "dared" to give your real opinion. This video was very entertaining, you may get some backlash out of it, but please keep doing things like that.
There will be backlash because he said bjj doesn’t work but entered a 6 month and under white belt tournament. At least face someone of equal experience to yourself in a tournament. Bjj worked just fine in UFC 1 and 2. The only thing that has changed now is that professional fighters know bjj and how to counter it. Someone on the street with no experience will easily be beaten by bjj.
@@SP-hs6bj Yes, it worked in UFC within the confines of cage and rules. No kicking opponent in head on the ground, no hitting groin, no small joint attacks etc. C'mon.
Ufc 1 and 2 had no rules except eye gouging. There were plenty of groin shots. One guy even bit Royce Gracie. It was as close to a real street fight as you can get without being illegal. Bjj beat everyone in a few mins. Go back and watch them for proof.
@@SP-hs6bj BJJ works on UFC coz it's a sport , even UFC 1 and 2 have some rules on it , now i'm not saying that BJJ not work at all , it still does but only to a certain degree coz in real fight where anything goes nobody are hugging and struggling that long , it only happens in sports
My background is in judo. In today's world, all martial arts are essentially just for sport and to preserve knowledge/culture. Martial artists are athletes and historians. There are way too many weapons out there, especially in the US, to risk getting into an actual fight with anyone.
Well sometimesw you don't get to choose. This is what you prepare for. Even if he has a weapon you are still much more likely to survive if you have trained real self defence. The most unplaned murders happens close up even with guns.
Well that's why you learn more than 1 art to become well rounded. You also learn how to use weapons. Think about what the guy said in the video: jiu jitsu was made as a last resort if your weapon broke and you were taken to the ground. Before that, you have striking like karate/boxing to strike before being taken to the ground. Before striking, you have short melee weapons like knives and sticks. Before that, you have longer range weapons like guns and grenades. All of these things fil a certain niche and serve crucial purposes and they're all important. Only a moron would become an expert with a gun alone thinking he'll never have to worry about a situation where the other guy has a knife or there's zero weapons and it becomes a slug fest or grappling.
I think this really highlights the idea that in order to be able to use Jiu-jitsu effectively you really have to try and work on your takedowns/throws/trips. This way, you're not relying on your opponent to engage with you on the ground, you force them to engage with you. And if your takedowns are solid then you engage on your terms. Great video!
He’s bringing up the one point experts lose understanding in, that the knowledge becomes adapted to the rules. The question then begs, how rules affect the simulation of fighting. The more rigid the rules, the more sports like the activity. Every martial arts has its great aspects. But equally important is understanding that once we reach a certain level, further knowledge becomes artificially important for the sports angle, common sense tends to be lost by those absorbed. Ego gets in the way. Truth is we all know how to fight. We lose that ability when we study too much on a subject without consulting our common sense and instincts.
My only argument is that you went up against another white belt who wasn't proficient in takedowns. However, when you were training with higher belts, you weren't able to "just stand up and walk away." Having said that, i do agree that a lot of modern bjj moves are meant to enhance the "game" and could probably be nolified by simply standing up and disengaging. Great video and perspective!
A counter argument could be made that equal level belts/equal level experience could manage to walk away from each other, since they have the same knowledge. Then again, I'd also assume that they'd know how to get a real good hold, so, maybe not? It'd actually be interesting to see! A cool experiment
As a BJJ student, this is just embarrassing. I'd like to see a similar video for wrestling. A good wrestler is putting you on the ground whether you like it or not. 😅
yea the quintessence of grappling is imposing yourself physically on your enemy wether he wants it or not. you are literally forcing him and bending him against his will. but hey since you can "just stand up" if someone with his weak ass lapel grip pulls guard on you submission grappling isnt real lmao.
seen good wrestlers come in and smash entire jitsu tournaments, watch Bo Nickal first ever tournament LMAO... I have trained/competed in BJJ here in Tampa for three years and find it hilarious.
He should have gone to a grappling competition. His ass would certainly have been kicked quite faster. Now I suppose there is a reason why he didn't show any of the subsequent fights in this tournament. His second opponent probably swept the floor with him 😂😂😂
Jesse i love your questioning all this stuff. Your being fairly objwctive considering you train and teach a specific style and i appreciate the sincerity and honesty in it.
To be fair, what he did is like entering a boxing ring and throwing kicks. In a real fight a bjj fighter that knows nothing else is going to either tackle you or pull guard. Pulling guard is safer and easier, but you never see it on tv cause it pulls the foe into closed guard. A very dominant position against someone unfamiliar with ground grappling, but a disadvantaged position against someone trained in both grappling and striking on the ground…such as a mma fighter. It also scars up your back something fierce if used on concrete. Not talking out my butt either. I’ve used it before to protect myself from getting mugged (didn’t have the space or position to jodo throw). Its really is just that easy to get someone to the ground if you’re willing to grit your teeth and commit. Unless you fight a wrestler. You don’t takedown the takedown kings. At best, you hope they forget that you’re better at ground grappling, and take themselves down on top of you as a of force of habit.
@@nev12345678910wrong, you can absolutely escape the other opponent in wresting, and what he does here is the same. bjj the sport makes little sense if it penalizes escaping the opponents maneuvers
Ya it looked like that ankle lock would've worked if the ref didn't stop him but they have those rules so the new students don't get hurt because they are most likely not on that level to defend yet cuz they haven't learned those defences yet. I'm a BJJ guy and that looked like you had a solid grip on his foot and would have broke it cuz he didn't know how to react to the move. Definitely would've got him in a street fight. But he's brand new tho.
@@KARATEbyJesse what that ref doesn't realize is there's no rules in a real street fight, in a real street fight there's no ref saying you can't break his leg or that you'll be disqualified if you don't go down to the ground. You really showed them you kept it real great job!👌👍
Bro shut up the opponent has experiences but he tried to use his bjj move on the ground it just his move don’t work against a real street fight if the guy was down like that kicked in the belly and face bru 😭😭😭😂😂😂
First, it was hilarious. Second, Jesse is a very experienced martial artist going against a white belt who probably has a few months of training, I am not surprised how things went.
@@KARATEbyJesseis there no kicking, punching in BJJ? Does it always have to be on the ground? That's stupid if that's the case. Not reality. People watch MMA/UFC because almost everything is allowed. It's more real.
This tournament is for people mutually agreeing to having fights in a given style, not necessarily for just fighting until one gives up. Is it impractical in a real foght? Yes, because it's not meant to be used in a real fight. It might have been, at some point, but here today it is meant as a restriction; "can you win a fight with these arbitrary restrictions". Same as olympic speedwalking; "who is the fastest doing a funny run?"
do you think a random kid that wants to learn to fight and ends up with jiu jitsu for some reason will be ok having wasted 5 years practicing a boring, practically useless sport because it doesn't come with a "not actually applicable to a real fight" disclaimer?
@@raukoring They can lol. Happens all the time. It’s a pretty well known fact that most street fights end up on the ground without any strikes landing in the first place. All street fights turn into a wrestling match
I train Muay Thai, Bjj (focus on no gi), and folkstyle wrestling. I have also been in some street fights when I was dumb and younger. I 100 percent agree you shouldn't get into street fights if possible, but from my experience you will go to the ground eventually. BJJ is extremely useful in that situation, just like muay thai is extremely useful for striking, and wrestling is extremely useful for takedowns. What you won't see though is someone pulling guard and staying to the ground, like the guy in the tournament.
I think that's what the guy in the video is missing about this and imo is being kind of a dick about. BJJ's main focus is grappling and ground techniques, it makes no sense to focus on other techniques/styles when that's not what you're competing against/with. It's not MMA, and never pretends to be either.
You are so right about the ancient Japanese Ju Jitsu. I practice it as oppose to Brazilian jiu-jitsu and it's fun and way more practical on the streets. Many easy ways to finish the fight standing, disarm your opponent and one thing we are taught is to not to go the ground on the street as oppose to BJJ guys. I advice everyone to read on JJJ I'm happy you beat him
Well, they do. Jail vrs hospital! 😂😢 Its the unfortunate part of a street fight. Me, as a near 55yr old man just got into a brawle with a 30 something on my own pourch, he attacked me on my pourch! I've wrestled and took Tae Kwon Do, he ran after attacking me.
@@ironphill911This exactly. The first few UFCs and even this video proves that an actual practiced/skilled BJJ fighter WILL take you to the ground against your will and dominate you. His sillyness only worked against the white belt in a specific tournament scenario, lol.
Not sure how 2 diffiferant conversations converged,, I am sorry. I, as a 54 yr old male have a super stupid advanced lvl of Ostioparosis! It does bother me! By my docs , I'm not even allowed tp defend me!
Reminds me of a documentary I watched about swords. This sword fighting master was fencing and he grabbed the other guy's blade. The other guy immediately said, "hey! You can't do that! It's against the rules!". To which the sword master said, "rules? I'm not worried about rules, I'm trying to kill you." 😂
This was a terrible conclusion bc BJJ is not something you use as a pure martial art or you will get hurt it is a supplement. It’s Is extremely effective but you don’t use it alone it’s what you use on the ground and you NEVER want to be there but if you do this is what you do. Also he got destroyed when he went with people who actually knew bjj but when he went with the white belt who was obviously very green yea he was able to walk away. In a competition you use just that martial art sport is different than self defense. That’s like if you were boxing and ran away from the ring and when the ref made you come back you said the art was useless bc irl you could do that. Jesus loves you! “Come to me all you who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest.”-Matthew 11:28
LOL this comment reminds me of the "knife fight" between Butch and Harvey in the 1969 film Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid with Paul Newman, dam hilarious scene
@@grimeyhonkyracing3938 Reminds me of the scene "Sharpe Fights Wickham's Soldiers". The young thief Captain tries fighting Sharpe using the rules of fencing, and Sharpe has to give him new rules when it comes to actual combat.
@@landonbohinc8146The issue is for at least a decade BBJ has often been in the conversation of being one of the best material arts around the masses for self defense. It really is not so videos that show its flaws are needed especially in an era where sports BBJ is weakening BBJ as a martial arts for real life.
@@landonbohinc8146 I think it's probably more like dancing around the ring, letting the big guy wear himself out throwing punches, then stepping in and KOing him with a well-placed shot. Remember that he did, in fact, win by grappling the opponent and securing the choke.
Craig Jones has an instructional called "just stand up" 😂. But a lot of BJJ practitioner forget that throws, takedowns and wrestling are a vital tool in your BJJ, that way you can take the fight to where you want it to be
@@zug3226BJJ is the abbreviation of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, and has nothing to do with BJ. Are we just supposed to not use acronyms because they're sorta similar to a different term? What about organizations like the World Taekwondo Federation, the WTF, are we just not supposed to use abbreviations?
I find that BJJ people tend to say that most fights end up on the ground to justify that BJJ is important in case of going to the ground. Someone asked Ted Wong about teaching ground fighting and he said that he teaches keeping the distance and being on your feet to counter grappling.
@@Tac0Tings given the title of the video and how some people percieve BJJ he could've been saying that BJJ isn't considered fighting and that he should take painting class for the art and learn to fight taking something other than BJJ but okay
The other problem with BJJ in a streetfight, is that while you're trying to do takedowns and grapple, you're getting punched and kicked. You gotta be high level and awesome at takedowns to be effective on the street
THIS is what people don't get, even my friend who practices BJJ agrees that in a street fight simple Boxing is better, simpler moves are better in general. The moment you fall on the ground you are dead because there's a high chance it will be more than 1 attacker.
This entire debate is meaningless. The bjj in this video is the sport. If somebody was fighting somebody on the “street” there would not be rules. Why does everyone constantly compare to what would happen on the street? It isn’t a street fight. It’s a bjj competition.
I don’t think you would have had as easy of a time collectively disproving the effectiveness of jiu jitsu if you had to face someone with some tournament experience or someone who’d been practicing for a while. That dude looked like his professor was still tying his belt for him… that’s really no different than someone walking into your karate dojo and knocking out your newest student and saying, “karate doesn’t work.”
>> that’s really no different than someone walking into your karate dojo and knocking out your newest student and saying, “karate doesn’t work.” --- And that would be completely justified, if that newest student's teachers had decided he was ready for a competition. "Drop on top of me and allow me to dry hump you into submission to prove what a fighter I am!" Seriously... I mean, BJJ is the only martial art where full contact competitions aren't even trying to simulate an actual fighting situation. Because intentionally dropping on the ground and rolling like a wounded snail while your opponent is required by the rules to follow you, instead of doing the sensible thing and moving away, is not a simulation of an actual fighting situation. Intentionally doing this in an actual fight is dangerous to you. Jesse here had a million opportunities to end the fight by just soccer-kicking his opponent's head or slamming him against the mat. Wrestling competitors don't intentionally leave you an opportunity to do this. Neither do judokas.
@@Tigermaster1986you say that till you get suplexed or double legged …..bigger dudes always try to grapple in most the fights I’ve been in it’s the same if they can’t knock you out swinging they will try to grab you or they leave
@@Tigermaster1986 True, but BJJ is more than pulling guard, and it works without pulling guard. Pulling guard is just a feasible tactic for tournaments.
Back when I practiced Jiu jitsu, we occasionally practiced proper sparring, in protective gear. As in punches and kicks, and then taking it to the ground once an exploitable opportunity opened up.
That’s what I’m sayin. He entered against white belts. I couldn’t take anyone down for years after starting bjj. A blue or higher would probably rag doll him. He’s also very experienced in karate and that gives him some combat experience. Bjj destroys people with no experience and he would be a fish out of water against someone with half his karate experience.
The true best material artist is the MMA fighter who utilizes various aspects of what he or she learns in order to keep the upper hand of every occasion. BJJ is a critical skill because in a fight that gets close, it can end up on the ground.
I've taught my students that exact lesson. The last place you want to be is on the ground. We will train some techniques there, but most will involve getting back up quickly. Fights are almost never 1 on 1.
@lancecook7225 I definitely like BJJ and have played with some friends that do it. I would rather know it should I be on the ground. It brings me to another lesson I taught my advanced students. Don't believe our style is better than another. Instead, learn other styles and incorporate them, like another tool in the toolbox.
"I doubt that this is what the ancient samurai warriors had in mind" part was pure fire😂😂😂😂😂😂 As always, beautiful content and solid storytelling. More power to you Sir Jesse !
The referee said several times "You're not allowed to do that". That's the biggest problem between classical or competitive martial arts and defending yourself in a street fight. I think Jesse’s point is BJJ (and some other classical martial arts) do not prepare you to defend yourself.
its not just that, the real issue is that when he said that he was basically telling him "no you have to play along or youre disqualified" like that just shows how the style doesnt work unless youre also playing along with the opponent, which in a real life scenario could get you killed. martial arts generally arent just for show and sportsmanship, they show you how to defend yourself in a fight or fight situation, while showing you discipline, and ive met people that swear by BJJ and my immediate response usually is "then go fight someone who wont play along" to which they come up with some excuse as to why that cant be done(usually a bold face lie that they will kill the person) but yeah its nuts.
@@Aqsticgod This is literally the case with any martial art. By definition, both fighters agree to a set of rules beforehand "Hey guys Muay Thai doesn't work because your opponent could just refuse to play by the rules, pull out a gun and shoot you" Absurd argument
Sports are sports and nothing else. You don't go to a volleyball competition and starts tackling people on the other side of the court... Just learn the rules and do what the Romans do. Dude should try to prove his point in MMA against a fighter who mainly uses BJJ.
I dont understand what you wanted to do. Your jjb opponents dont want to prove that jjb is a super insane weapon. They just want to do some sport competitions, by fighting with specific rules. They dont want to prove anything
@@daniel12402 yeah, if the whole idea of the martial art is to be on the ground and the rules force that, it certainly seems strong, but when the limits are off the table you realize it's not the tool you should lean on, but a last resort
That’s a myth… that 90% statistic was started based off a study of law enforcement altercations in the US where the goal is GET THIS to get the suspect on the ground and detain them for arrest… which btw it was something like 68% which is a far cry from the 90% statistic people love to repeat.
You just experienced what white belt tournaments are all about, guard pulling. Its a major issue with beginner BJJ not going over takedowns enough to really understand how to take people to the ground.
@@J3unG But that's not what BJJ is about! It's about creating an excuse to perv on women and to "roll" with smaller dudes to prove how very alpha you are to those said women. And roids.... Lots and lots of roids. Cause for some reason when you roll with weight advantage and always choose less experienced partners you somehow stop improving after a while and it's as if even the women and small guys seem to overtake you and your ego which just recovered from your daddy leaving to buy cigarettes when you were 5 years old won't let that happen! BTW: It's said that the first BJJ tournament is still going on! Both of the opponents lying on their back in guard on the beach waiting for the other to make a move.
@@JM.MEL_ The truth is : Judo is composed of parts from traditional Jujutsu, and BJJ is a mix composed of parts from traditional Jujutsu and parts from Judo. Why not practicing traditional Jujutsu instead ?
Most white belts have less then 1 year of training and never practiced takedowns. They don't allow leg locks at white/blue belt level to prevent potential injury. Most BJJ is practiced from a worse case scenario such as your opponent already took you down and has an advantageous position. You don't need BJJ if you're winning the standup fight but it comes in handy if you're losing it.
The highest level champions in sport jiu-jitsu are butt scooters. Just watch the recent Imanari vs musumeci match on One Championship. It's not just a white belt thing.
I think you proved your point very well that the lack of takedowns in BJJ is a clear weakness since it evolved into a sport with too many rules! Thank you for your effort in this video.
Yea I’ve been doing jiujitsu for over 5 years and even in the jiujitsu community, pulling guard or “trying to pull someone on top of you” is made fun of and looked down upon in some instances. Great video!!
But if I just shoot a double or single leg, which I'm going to do in 98% of street fights if I'm being hit, in order to protect myself and take control, then I'm bring him down, wrapping him up, and choking him out within 60 seconds... so tell me how BJJ doesn't work?
Exactly. Maybe someone should create martial arts which focuses on running away/escaping. One could practice this in different scenarios/environments; streets, forest, markets, bars... 🤣
Let's invent a fighting system that focuses on fighting while running, in any situation. Self defense and self offense. Either running away from your opponent, or chasing down your opponent.
What ive learned from this video is i would personally not struggle against bjj practitioner due to my couple of years of training boxing as a side thing, my natural size and the fact that when i grew up i often wrestled with my brother and his friends all of whom were 5 or so years older then me and regularly worked out. Now of course this could just be me being cocky but considering i could as a 90 pound brat with no training and almost no muscle compete in wrestling against people twice my size and weight im not worried.
@@KARATEbyJesse Jesse when you want to sparring again with wing chun practitioner? Try Dominic Izzo or Adam Chan. Dominic Izzo excel at forward pressure in wing chun and Adam Chan good at body mechanic. Despite Kevin Lee popularity, he doesn't have that forward pressure aspect or body mechanic aspect of wing chun. Kevin Lee is good but he lacks at something. Again, try Dominic Izzo or Adam Chan.
@@KARATEbyJesse yea we have some karate black belts who get ragged dolled during sparing. Try challenging someone with experience next time vs some noob begginers at a tiny local tournament. Put on a blue belt and enter a ibjjf tournament like worlds or PANS and you will get absolutely slapped. Ill be at both in 2024 middle weight.
You can't be that good if you think this guy knows what he's talking about. I've had people try to run from me. It does not work. As soon as i grab you, if you are not ridiculously strong, or know what you are doing you are fucked.
get the correct point together... are you talking about white bjj tourment where its implicit someone is going to go to the ground or a bar fight not ending in the ground? a abr fight have tables, chairs, people where you are certanly going to step on and go to the ground....just one of the many reasons a fight will go down.... but if you are talking about the tourment, even against a white belt, just tell him in advanced that you will not go down and see the result...or try a black, then say the results :)
Really interesting video, many of us have understood that competitive martial arts breeds phenominal technique, but not always practicality. Does not mean the martial art is worthless, either Olympic Karate, World BJJ, just that there are limitations to systems and we should recognize this.
Feels like bar entrances are a more realistic "tournaments" for me cause there's no snowflake rules, I'm no pro so look it up but feels like tournaments are either won by 45% grapple, 45% hard knock-out, the rest are everything else. Tournaments used to be my biggest respect when I was a kid, there's still some but not as much as I think.
I did some Japanese Jiu Jutsu and it was very different to the Brazilian version. We did lots of throws, breakfalls and joint locks and chokes. More time was spent in the mechanics of throwing than ground fighting. Also doing a lot of realistic defences against knife and club attacks.
I do JKD and Muay Thai and realistic defence from a knife attack is running. Seen the video on here where a couple martial artists try to fight of a knife attack? Spoiler they all wouldve been dead.
Totally agree. I would never pull guard and ive always approached my bjj training with self defense as my priority. Ive boxed for years as well. However, you walked into s tournament and proved your point… against a white belt. Id love to see you try to just walk away from people who actually know what they’re doing.
Oh that was a white belt? Didn't even look for it. Lol yeah go up against an actually BJJ expert and things will look a lot different. I also never heard anyone say BJJ is great for a street fight (unless it's a true 1:1 and the distance has already been closed). And you can't go into a BJJ tournament and then ignore the rules and say "see it doesn't work". Especially when your opponent is likely having is first match.
Let’s keep in mind that the guy is a black belt in Karate. You’d get a similar result from a Black belt in BJJ participating in a Karate tournament against white belts. A lot of martial arts experience carries over between different styles plus he’s likely in better shape than your average white belt.
To be fair BJJ has changed a lot. In it's early days with the Gracie's they focused a lot on closing the distance and taking your opponent down. Now that it's become a sport, most academy's focus on winning competitions and not street fighting so they they very rarely worry about take downs or closing the distance on strikers. For that reason people looking for a single martial art for self defense should find an old school academy or just join a Judo dojo. With Judo you'll learn almost everything BJJ teaches only you'll focus more on taking your opponent down and controlling from the top and how to get to your feet fast from the bottom plus landing a nice throw on cement with an opponent who doesn't know how to break fall can end the fight right then and there. It's also great that both martial arts allow you to somewhat safely spar at 100% as that can really help prepare you mentally for a street fight.
@jimmy2483 what you said is exactly how the Dagestanis approach the ground game... No wonder they are so dominant. Also exactly how Danaher and Zahabi say the effectiveness of ground game(bjj, top control etc) can be increased.
Jesse, you perfectly summarized what should be ground fighting : your last resort in a fight. Maybe you should have try against wrestlers instead, because they know how to take down someone who doesn't want to go down, and that make a big difference in a fight compared to someone who passively waiting for you to join him on the ground.
I think the point was to show the limitations of bjj in that its obsession with submission has made it too one dimensional like most Karate. Who would win in a fight between BJJ and Karate.
@@Art-is-craftindeed. that's why training in BJJ goes along with Grappling/Wrestling/Judo training. Sambo is also an option since it merges all of these notions into one martial art.
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You are uncovering an unfortunate truth of any sports martial art, they work best when you follow their rules. Not so much when you don't! I honestly think just about every martial art has it's place (well, almost every art), but in the end it's a game of rock paper scissors.
Sorry Jesse, I didn't watch until the end. My business partner (in a martial arts business of course) was an AFP officer, who's job it was to work with heads of state and keep them safe. Their organisation put BJJ into the curriculum for CPP and GD roles and after about 2 years pulled it all back out again. Statistically, the officer injury went up dramatically when the officer went to the ground with the offender. To solidify their decision a serious fight occurred in the city where I live, where a highly ranked (and well known) BJJ guy got into a fight one Friday night. He quickly and easily pulled his opponent to the ground and established top mount in moments, right before the opponent's mate kicked him in the head and put him in a coma... That is not to say BJJ doesn't have it's place, it does. You summed it up perfectly, there is a time and place, and the ground is the last place you want to be in a real fight.
@@mikebennett938 Put someone in coma so easily? Sorry to hear that! So this is a REAL fight which always commented by those keyboard warriors what kinds of martial arts doesn't work that one in hospital & one in jail or no punishment to the winner?
Good video. As black belt in Budokaido And Goujurio karate and as a kid who grew up in the streets of Kathmandu fighting, I approved it. Ground game is the last last resort. Last palce you wanna be in any fight.
Well said 👍
As a regular street fighter, I have never had a black eye, broken nose or jaw - I don't look behind me while running away...
I just pictured forest gump. Since you don't look behind you when running away, you don't know when to stop xD
Best and funniest comment posted🤣🤣
Sticks and stones will break my bones, but first you'll have to catch me..
You mean regular street parkour runner?
@@JacySanjunXiao lol. Yes that too. I can run up walls when Butch is breathing down my neck
"opponent gives me the leg so I try to break it"
i fucking died
It wasn’t that funny. Don’t exaggerate
@@Lt-Leinad excuse me I won't ever exaggerate ever again in my life
@@ПётрБ-с2ц thank you. very considerate
Don't you ever try to exaggerate like that again. How dare you find extremely funny something that is just moderately funny. You should be ashamed of yourself.
@@Lt-Leinad it was funny as hell
Most of my arguments with ex wife started when I was about to sleep so no, not 100% of fights start standing up
It's not a fight if it's not violent so what does that make you ;)
@@blobitz9648 Might have been violent, we do not know for sure.
@@blobitz9648spotted the ex wife.
They're like that bro
Been there myself
@blobitz9648 you're a wet sock.
I was about to quit watching the vid, then I saw the "winners don't quit" wall so I kept watching. I was about to quit again and the song kicked in, so I'm fully commited now.
His voice is terrible. I got a headache. He can fight though and I can't so he's better than me in that area 😎
I’m glad you convinced me to keep watching
Hey, bro, never quit believing you’re the best around. Nothing, not even your own mind, is gonna keep you down.
You get influenced easy huh?
@@Simon0what did he do to you?
“There is no second place medal on the street”. The second place medal on the street is a hospital bed or coffin. The first place medal is a jail cell.
Right. The BEST fight is the one that never happened
That would be where cross training into JUDO or wrestling would come in. Wrestlers have arm awareness etc. Another words not hanging an arm out there to get caught by.
Maybe. Depends on the jurisdiction. I got a First Offender Plea but still had to do a year and 5 on Probation.
@@douglasbrannon6525 "Another words?"
@@joeaardvark9214 just saying each martial art has its advantages and disadvantages which is why cross training would be important . Bruce Lee recognized weaknesses in some martial arts and started Jeet Kune Do.
If a street fight goes to the ground, you know who wins? The one with the most friends.
If a street fight stays standing you know who wins? The guy with the most friends.
@@huguesdepayens807 If you're standing against multiple attackers, you can run. If you're on the ground against multiple attackers, you are done. Big difference.
@@danman6612 Not if you're actively engaged in a fight with someone which is what we're discussing. Do you think a group of people is incapable of stopping you from running?
@@huguesdepayens807 What I'm saying is that if you're standing against multiple attackers, you have a much better chance at getting away and surviving than if you're on the ground against multiple attackers. Sure, you are at a disadvantage either way, but your chances of survival are greatly reduced the moment you go to the ground. Common sense.
@@danman6612 Sure, if we change the scenario then the outcome will be different. Now sit down the adults are talking.
As a purple belt I can confirm that the biggest flaw in jiu jitsu is the lack of takedowns. Not very many jiu jitsu fighters learn them. Not a whole lot of coaches teach them. I always tell people that jiu jitsu is only effective if you can take your opponent to the ground and keep them there
mainly because untrained people can't stop a takedown, even a bad one. And training takedowns are where a lot of injuries happen. Unless your fighting a wrestler or MMA fighter, BJJ practitioners don't really need to drill TD's.
@@ManBat420 judo has pretty much been bastardized to be takedowns ONLY at this point. and every child and middle aged overweight parent does it. takedowns really aren't that dangerous.
you're right if you're a strict BJJ fighter you don't need them. but if you want to become a complete fighter and love fighting as a whole you should train them, just like judokas should train grappling.
Yeah this would've failed in 3 seconds at a judo tournament haha
@@Seliimhannot dangerous? In combat a takedown is more like smashing your opponent to the ground. What you're talking about is something of a safe sport, when the conversation is more about combat and self-defense.
I like an ankle pic, arm drag to valley drop, double or single leg. Lot of other throws don't get used, I think, because they aren't as effective. Its the bjj rule set that results in the butt scooting, every sport has its version of this issue (Jesse mentions a karate match where the guy who was knocked out was the winner). Its a sport, we agree up front to wrestle on the ground. If you want to see more takedowns, outlaw the guard pull. Another issue is a lack of action because of holding, now we have submission only matches, anything is possible really.
Going to a grappling tournament and refusing to grapple lol
don't hold him to it
I was going to say lol. He basically went to a streetside grappling tournament where the rule is to engage and see who can get the opponent down first and didn't want to do it. He even grapples in the end when he plays by the rules so he just proved the point of the tournament.
Hey, he tried to tear the dudes foot off and the ref made him stop.
@ArkayeCh His point was the bjj doesn't work unless you cooperate with it. Did he not prove that with this video?
@@nobilityishere No, because everyone else agreed to a set of rules to compete with each other. That would be like running in circles from a boxer and saying boxing doesn't work. Like comparing apples and oranges.
Been learning BJJ the past five months and my ground work has gotten really good. We don't ignore takedowns so I've gotten pretty good at forcing people to the ground. However, my friend who trains MMA wanted to see if he defend my takedowns. Because I only practiced against guys who did BJJ my takedowns were useless. I have had no experience trying to takedown someone throwing kicks, punches and knees at me. Humbling but that's why I'm taking up other forms of martial arts to complement my BJJ.
What would you say is the best for street fighting. At 42 want to start martial arts
@daniel-1998 find an MMA gym they will do no gi jiu jitsu and muay thai/boxing. Practice for a year you'll be able to beat up all your friends.
@daniel-1998
Thai boxing
@@daniel-1998 Really, any martial art with enough sparring to train your reflexes and situational awareness. Techniques rarely matter in a street fight, as you will need to use everything at your disposal, including undehanded tactics. Street fighting is not a sport, it's about survival.
Im really interested to learn this art...i am a capoeira learner and this will help for my self defense can you suggest me any apps to learn this on
Masterclass in strategy!
Frustrate your opponent by not attacking, wait for him to make a mistake, surprise him with the only move you know 👏👏👏
The game within the game
dumbest comment ever
The dude was so pissed he let him in full mount and got choked.
😂😂😂
Miyamoto Musashi approves
After 10 years of practicing BJJ on and off, currently a purple belt (stuck here for 5 years) I've found a school where we start every roll standing, pulling guard is frowned upon and discouraged. Our coach is both a bjj/judo bb so at least 30-40% of the technique is takedowns, sweeps, and throws. It's hard af but I love it.
So youre doing real BJJ now, congrats
This is why I get frustrated when I ended up pulling guard cause I don’t find it as practical. I always try to go for other things but they are def harder.
When BJJ went to Brazil it didn't go as BJJ, it was Judo, however, when it was passed to the Gracie family, one of the smaller brothers realized he could never win against bigger judo fighters except with submissions from the ground and thus pulling guard and BJJ was born, taking this in consideration we realize that BJJ is specialized in countering bigger/better judo practitioners where takedowns are impossible, however, pulling guard has always meant to be a defence against a takedown so that you go to the ground on your own terms, doing your own takedown should always be preferred, especially if you're not against judo.
@@lukej7283sounds like a judo training session to me, where you have a mixture of radori and ne-waza.
@@kirito3082can you provide any written evidence of what you've just described? It's a shido to just pull a guard in judo.
You can do the same thing with literally every combat sport as long as you don’t care about winning. That’s why they have refs that will penalize you for not engaging.
7:07 and 5:55. You can defend yourself with most martial arts DESPITE of what rules it has the sport that uses them.
I thought this comment loosely applies to some martial arts but wouldn't apply to striking ones like Muay Thai. Then I remembered Rod Tang vs Walter Goncalves and I now totally agree with this statement. That fight was beautiful. Goncalves lost though but disengaging in all MAs is still overpowered. Like, when I think about it if there is no round limits and it's knockout only, being defensive is the full-proof, winning strategy. No Muay Thai fighters are trained to fight someone who is not fighting back. Clinching and leg kicks don't work if the opponent is moving and out of range.
@@kideo_h "No Muay Thai fighters are trained to fight someone who is not fighting back"
Then can’t one just stop fighting if it's a real-life scenario?
Also, it gives the impression that the Muay Thai fighter is the aggressor.
"Clinching and leg kicks don't work if the opponent is moving and out of range."
Fine everybody can go home. Win-win
If you can’t even take someone down you just suck at BJJ.
Wrestling teaches you to engage, you can try running but they are taught to catch you
I love that your opponent tried to shake your hand and you just pushed it away thinking he was going for a grip 😂😂
"I can't let you get close" - Chael Sonnen
That's how you die irl. An enemy poses as a friend.
@@dazeen9591 it's not like bro was going to kill him mid tournament.
It was a tournament. The opponent was trying to be respectful @@dazeen9591
Really? 😂 My bad
Running away from a fight and waiting for an opportunity can be applied to any martial art.
It has ALWAYS been the very best technique !!
@@shanghunter7697 Yep
@@DeadManWalking-ym1oo some people do move their heads into the punch and then under, because it both minimizes potential damage of a windup and has a chance of completely avoiding any damage, giving you a counter. Nicolino Locche who was dubbed the "Untouchable" mastered this technique, so it's not that it's impossible, just really hard and ineffective for most people.
Ah yes. The infamous Jostar-technique.
Jackie Chan
"... and don't forget which belt you're on in BJJ."
I bet that alone left a scar.
Don't worry, at the end of the video he was 1 belt color higher.
"...cuz you have that gun in your trunk".
Bjj is overrated
@@oritafilms quite the opposite tbh
@@sdagdgdgsgshd5973 If sambo was easy it would be called BJJ
"IF HE WOULD HAVE JUST STOOD UP THAT WOULD HAVE NEVER OF HAPPENED" lmao
Fortunately, Brazilians have discovered this fatal flaw and adopted a new style - Mac 10. Highly effective whether or not you want to participate and play along.
I have a better technique, it's called 'concealed carry'.
@@justicedemocrat9357 You fool, my ultimate self-defense martial arts technique is even better: Track & Field, 100-meter dash
You can conceal a MAC-10.
@@justicedemocrat9357 mac 10s aren’t much bigger than a larger sized pistol if you remove or adjust the stock.
@@justicedemocrat9357 Mac-10 in the hand is worth two in the pocket.
In the 80's when asked "what martial art is best to protect yourself " a Master answered: " first avoid confrontation,second run if you can ...but if you can't do that do anything that is illegal in Martial arts ...in street fights there are no rules" .
The only rule when fighting for your life is to win.
Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six
"POCKET SAND!" -Dale Gribble
Amen.
"Quick draw"
Yeah, as a BJJ guy, my coach teaches us both Judo and BJJ. He's real big on knowing how to sweep opponents to the ground first, then jump into BJJ mode, but you have to be able to get them to the ground, not just wait for them to join you.
And i totally agree, all martial arts have their place. It's great to practice as many as you can, and it absolutely matters the kind of person using it.
You most likely dont even need BJJ if you know Judo already. After you slam your opponent head on a concrete ground, you will likely already be booked for prison cell anyway 😂
you practice a useless art lmao less than 30% of fights end on the ground and keep going, 100% of fights end on the ground after you lose consciousness
Mix in combat sambo with that bjj and judo
You’ll be unstoppable
@@conworldus8310 lol true. 😆
@@Chafa9duce I just learned about Sambo like a month ago. Seems pretty good. My coach offers Muay Thai as well at the dojo. I don't know how to strike effectively, so I thought about doing that, too?
Respectfully, I don’t think this actually proves anything about BJJ being a faulty martial art. I think it just proves you only showed one fight and didn’t show your other loses outside sparring. Even if u did only participate in one fight, at the minimum all we know for sure is either that guy wasn’t the best jiu jitsu artist, or u got lucky. Either way, you can’t really prove such a thing unless u can show multiple instances of the martial art failing, which you didn’t. I would honestly like to see more of this and see you disprove its reliability.
Agreed and his oponent was really innocent
You gave this guy probably one of the most frustrating experiences of his life. 😅
Online dating as a man be like:
He was so confused
@@faismasterxLMFAO
Referee witnessing the most oddest redemption arc too in one match.
Man got an important lesson. He wasn't training to account for that
I just started training in Jujitsu and my sensei constantly remind us not to just lay down because he said people are being lazy and in a real fight that's not where you want to be. We work on grappling standing and even getting back to our feet when we are on our backs. This video does show the ludicrous part of BJJ but thats why it should be a tool in the bag and not the sole thing to rely on, we train striking as well as wrestling.
Exactly. Karate guy here and striking is part of my dna, but ground work and grappling is part of my routine as well
BJJ stand up isn't very effective. It is 95% ground and 5% stand up so not very effective - you need to do a stand up martial art that is effective and can be integrated with BJJ such as Muay Thai or Judo.
@@Timst3R yes I know, we also have MMA classes as well as Kickboxing.
if u have real fight in mind bjj is not for u
Bjj is about the action to the reaction and vis versa. From what I have learnt as an early student, it’s about feeling your opponent. If you are standing in a street fight and you keep your distance you are winning. If some one is up in your face close the distance, you can see the attack is coming so you make your move, there is many variations you can use for a takedown but first you must feel what the enemy is doing. If you are good either way you are taking that sucker to the ground and with proper technique that enemy is done for
That's why its important to be well rounded in mixed martial arts . Different situations call for different techniques
Yeah they usually recommend you learn 3 different styles for different ranges.
wrong, the best technique is to avoid fighting in the first place.
The 27 pounds of C4 strapped to my chest:
You missed the part where you only need this if you're a cop trying to immobilize others.
spoken like a true coward@@mikatu
Imagine agreeing to a boxing match and then decide to run in circles. Then claiming sprinting is better than boxing. you literally entered a BJJ tourney and didn't want to play by the game rules and complained.
Imagine a "martial art" where people get frustrated because their opponent isn't voluntarily laying down with them.
No need to imagine! Here it is! 😂
Well the point of this martial art is to train your ground/grappling skills, so of course tournaments of this martial art gravitate towards ground game... You could say that boxing is ridiculous because no legs can be used, so you're gonna start kicking people and getting disqualified from tournaments? You need to master different aspects of fighting and if you don't train your ground game you'll just never be good on the ground. (also this is white belt so the other dude probably had no experience fighting, a blue belt tournament would have lead to the ground through a takedown)
Isn’t that the truth!
@@InfoGDotG However... White belt guard pullers are funny as shit. They just simply didn`t understand that entrance to the ground game is by... wait for it... takedown xD.
@@JanKowalski-pe9lo They are funny yes but it's also advised... last thing you want is for white belt amateurs to throw each other around and fall badly, that's why pulling guard is trained at lower levels. Professionals pulling guard is ridiculous and should be penalised more, but it's hard to force people to stay on their feet when 99% of the finishes will happen on the ground anyways, a standing match waiting for takedowns is boring (Judo is fun because being on the ground makes you lose, it's a bit like playing "lava" and avoiding the ground :D)
If you want to prove it works in a tournament,follow their rules.
If you want to prove it works in a real fight,go on the street.
Pishhhhhh what you gonna do samurai?
@@x3sixty make a video of proving that boxing doesn’t work by using a gun with a thumbnail of “proof->🖐️😳🦶🤚”
@@brown3722yes do it
If you wanna be stupid, write stupid comment.
@@x3sixty as long as weapons aren't allowed inside of the octagon you will keep your mouth shut
a lot of martial arts end up being more like rules to a game than a form of effective combat.
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Yeah let’s not make any rules so every single training and competition somebody get broken bones or end up dying.
@@Callsigntitan 🤡
@@Callsigntitanwhy so angry man? I’m sure he understands why the rules are there
only effective one is boxing, sinces thats how u fight on streets, and is more effective when there is multiple fighters,
3:11 wtf 💀😭
Fr😭☠️
Running through the streets pulling guard was the funniest thing you could have done! 🤣🤣
No real bjj fighter is pulling guard in a fight. I promise you that. He went in the white belt division trying to prove something. What a joke
@@KizokuOniiUzumaki yeah I've seen a lot of street fights and been in them many times, never once saw someone pull guard and say come on bro let's fight lol
He was just screwing off and joking.@@KizokuOniiUzumaki
Yes, it was EPIC
@@KizokuOniiUzumakiDoesn't change the fact that BJJ is a joke.
Bro’s confidence is 10/10, he entered a tournament not caring if he would look weird. Also, his opponent, a grown man, refuses to stand up, even if it’s BJJ, that just ain’t right
Isn't this automatic loss? It should be. Classical wrestling would mean the guy is pinned.
@@KasumiRINA well it's not classical wrestling. In BJJ the important part is that he has contact with the opponent when he sits down (called "pulling guard") once he's down if the opponent breaks the grip doesn't mean he can just run away. Now he's on top, he needs to try to pass the guard.
@@smacktard6051 "Oh Taekwondo won't work because they can only kick" "Oh Karate has rules so they can't go to the streets" "Oh BJJ guys need to know when to stand up." "Lol a Judo guy will throw me on the ground and call it a day?"
Martial Arts have rules to be used in training, sparing, and tournaments with referees. Obviously, in a street fight, the following will happen: Taekwondo fighters will use punches; Karate will disregard the 'rules' such as no kicks on the face, BJJ will throw you in the ground and use illegal techniques (a.k.a they will break your foot/hand if you try to break out of a submission), and Judo guys will throw you in CONCRETE/ASPHALT ground.
Martial Arts CAN and WILL kill. In Vietnam War, a few South Korean troops engaged againts Vietcongs. When both sides ran out of ammo, they engaged in melee. Turns out that if a Korean using combat army boots kicks you on the face, you will indeed die! (Taekwondo was used by Korean Army back then)
It is like Jesse said at the end. Just because in a Boxing ring there are rules, doesn't means that a Boxer won't break a rib or two if you attack him while screaming "WHEN I SEE RED ITS OVER, STREET FIGHTING FOR THE WIIIIN!". The tradition of Martial Arts (Martial = military) was to kill. Nowadays, they made it safe to use as a sport but if you break certain rules, it is still lethal. That is why referees stops a match when needed. A UFC/MMA fighter who goes limp and attacking anything infront of them is already unconscious. That is when the referee jumps in to stop a death.
@@smacktard6051I’ve worked in law enforcement settings and I knew nothing but BJJ and on a 1 on 1 BJJ when applied correctly will result in you being done for. This was a white belt tournament. Most blues or purples will grab you and not let go. You are going to end up on the ground unless you run away.
@@mafia_boss_netowrote all that to say BJJ is the worst base for martial arts and does nothing in real life.
I really like the comparison between BJJ and Karate’s modernization and what it’s done to the art
Sad but true 🥲
same with taekwondo!
Unfortunately it is happening to judo!
Sorry@@amirreza_neyestani Judo as always been a sport, it was never intended to be anything else.
@@pauloviegas9918 Yes. But consider that this happened twice, once when Jigoro Kano introduced it and once when IJF removed the foot techniques from it.
On the street is where you prove it doesn't work, not in a rules-based sporting event. The ref might oppose my finger up to the knuckle in my opponents eye.
My stomp**
As a brazilian, I always thought it was kind of obvious you're not supposed to jiu-jitsu your way out of a street fight.
kinda obvious* kkkkk
@@mecobrabo5590thats not a correction, he wrote it properly. "Kinda" is just colloquial language.
@@Joyboy0101 yes i know
@@mecobrabo5590 So what did you mean by it?
@@Joyboy0101 just a tip bro, calm down
"Luckily I'm both younger and stronger"... proceeds to tap out. This is comedy gold
Yep :D I guess a black belt matters more than age and strength to quite an extent.
So this is actually an awesome video and take. I’m a multi-year BJJ practitioner and all three of the gyms I’ve practiced at all preached this as gospel. You don’t hang out on your back. You don’t pull guard in a self defense situation. In a struggle for self preservation you do everything in your power to keep your distance and keep mobile.
One thing that gets lost in communication is that proper Jiujitsu is not meant to be ground fighting. It’s meant to be surgical wrestling. BJJ modified it for maximum stamina efficiency which is why it focuses so heavily on ground work and being dangerous off of your back. However my coaches and most of the best practitioners like Roger Gracie preach staying off your back if you can at all help it.
I think the laying on the back tactic comes from sport BJJ. Doing that in an MMA match or a real fight is a bad idea. I think it's still good to know what to do IF you end up on your back though
@PaMuShin you mean when the guy lies on his back to prompt the other fighter to get on top of him?
Thanks a ton. I've been rolling for 3-4 years and this makes a ton of sense.
Position before submission man
I know you guys all seemingly Train at amazing places but of the 6 places I've trained before, you still get the buttscoot special. It's how it is now. Even if it's not at YOUR school, when you compete that's what you're gonna get. Look at all the recent competition videos of 2023. Buttscoot and guard pulls overwhelm any good traditional grappling exchanges you'll find anywhere else. Everyone's looking for a leg or a sweep, or a stalemate. God bless the internet.
This guy very much disproved his own point at the beginning. He had to figure out how does Ju-jitsu work to cancel it, which proves that unless you fight with a person trained in anti-ju-jitsu tactics, it is going to work. It's like wearing a knife-proof vest to prove that knives are not effective weapons
As a karate kid too😭
Also he "proved" that BJJ doesn't work against a white belt.
@@carlbjorling6058No because he wasnt allowed to kick , punch , or do street style fighting.. eye gouges etc knee kicks
Which is why Bjj is mid and only a support for an already developed skill set
He also kinda proved bjj works. Sure being on the ground isnt the best option if your opponent has friends nearby. But the point of bjj is to defeat your enemy with no striking and causing minimal damage unless necessary. If your opponent is standing up and leaving out of their own will, then you no longer need to fight and hence in a way youve won. Plus bjj is just a subcategory of juijitsu developed for passificism. If you really want to test the martial art, you should test jui jitsu itself as it includes strikes and more violent techniques aswell. Otherwise its like saying "im gonna prove boxing doesnt work, except the boxer can only use jabs". And if theres enough opponents that going to the ground will get you stomped, you shouldnt be trying to fight at all because they can intervine just as easily when youre all stood up. And if a much larger guy tackles me to the ground, id rather know how to escape or break his arm rather than just sit there getting pummeled. If people were smart,they'd realize they could just learn a martial art for both standing and ground, rather than glazing one and shitting in the other without any proper experience
@@harrypotter6894 No, it's because he literally went against the greenest white belt on the planet who didn't know how to do takedowns and only knew how to pull guard lmao
One big weakness of BJJ is that appearantly the capabilities of a white belt against black belts of other arts is what determines it's efficacy.
Well said!
"I was pinned by brown belts so then I beat a white belt to prove my point" lol what
how much karate did this guy use in the match?
@@michaelheber2073 It's not something you can point your finger too. Every blackbelt worth their salt will just have some general experience, body control (balance, coordination) and solid basic techniques foundation that outperform anything any whitebelt can pull off.
karate has no ground work@@Alkis05
I read an article by helio gracie, where he said that the self defence aspect of his art was being lost and if you look at his teaching syllabus from back in the day, there is at least 50% was standing techniques, armbars and throws, and ways to disengage from your attacker. Now it has become a sport, and many clubs don't even practice the self defence stuff any more.
and thats bad?
My Dad is second Dan Wado under Ray Coates (RIP). I'm a Judo and Jujutsu blackbelt. It's a shame to see how bad Judo and BJJ has become from the original teachings of the Valente Brothers and the Gracie family.
Interesting!
@@captainkirk7513 When a self defense combat art is turned into a spectacle yes it's bad. The whole idea of it is to defend yourself from attack in unarmed combat. Now it's just a sport for people to watch in the UFC and honestly even in the UFC the most impressive and crowd pleasing wins are by KO from strikes.
Gracies always start standing
I think that's why so many fighters now train in multiple styles. Bruce Lee talked alot about this when he was training. BJJ is amazing if you are in a locked box with one person. Out on the street the moment you goto the ground someone you never saw kicks you in the head.
You usually nonsense from people who've absolutely never Been in a street fight..
Guess what...without rules a BJJ fighter can...put you down and this might blow your mind...kick YOU in da heard too 😃..why didn't the fake in this video invite BJJ fighter's to a no rules competition? What's next enter a boxing competition kick the boxer to get a DQ then claim boxing don't work? Fair enough...say BJJ don't work then invite BJJ people to no rules contests...🤣🤣🤣. Show us how those "dEadLy" eye pokes work 🤣
@@billdoor3140 BJJ ONLY works in a 1v1 scenario, that's what he's saying.
@suckit4669 ot does. Let him prove it...don't enter a competition with rules then purposely break those rules to run away. Challenge BJJ people to a 1 v 1 mo ruled fight. Someone will absolutely accept. Then he can REALLY try his theory out...
I'm thinking BJJ is good to know when you are *already* on the ground but should mostly be used for disposing of the immediate threat so you can get back on your feet and switch back to something more suited for that position. For some reason I'm thinking of the fight between Indiana Jones and sword guy he shoots; play to *your* strengths, not *their* rules.
Realistically in a "actual fight", the strategy should always be either "end the fight now" or "get into a better position" (both of which can often be accomplished by running away).
@@suckit4669 wtf, he said :BJJ is amazing if you are in a locked box with one person:
1v1 scenario...
Also as the guy above said, BJJ is crazy, they are trained to get u on the ground, and they WILL get u on the ground, no matter what, it all comes down to WHO can win on the ground between both (1v1 scenario) cuz the guy on video was following rules just like him when the refereer told to grab, the other guy couldn't use moves and do certain things that could disqualify him.
This is an amazing and brave presentation. BJJ is always showed as one of the best for self-defense. Great to see you can refuse to go on the ground. And that BJJ is now a sport, not into the spirit of its origins.
its origins were meant for sport. Val Tudo to be exact
Brave??? What does this word mean anymore?
@@JohnusSmittinis these days? It means mentally ill
I really wans't expecting it. I thought you'd go the safe way and have some kind of everybody's right conclusion. I think it's great you "dared" to give your real opinion. This video was very entertaining, you may get some backlash out of it, but please keep doing things like that.
Just doing what I love 🙏
There will be backlash because he said bjj doesn’t work but entered a 6 month and under white belt tournament. At least face someone of equal experience to yourself in a tournament. Bjj worked just fine in UFC 1 and 2. The only thing that has changed now is that professional fighters know bjj and how to counter it. Someone on the street with no experience will easily be beaten by bjj.
@@SP-hs6bj Yes, it worked in UFC within the confines of cage and rules. No kicking opponent in head on the ground, no hitting groin, no small joint attacks etc. C'mon.
Ufc 1 and 2 had no rules except eye gouging. There were plenty of groin shots. One guy even bit Royce Gracie. It was as close to a real street fight as you can get without being illegal. Bjj beat everyone in a few mins. Go back and watch them for proof.
@@SP-hs6bj BJJ works on UFC coz it's a sport , even UFC 1 and 2 have some rules on it , now i'm not saying that BJJ not work at all , it still does but only to a certain degree coz in real fight where anything goes nobody are hugging and struggling that long , it only happens in sports
My background is in judo. In today's world, all martial arts are essentially just for sport and to preserve knowledge/culture. Martial artists are athletes and historians. There are way too many weapons out there, especially in the US, to risk getting into an actual fight with anyone.
Don't fight people (except for sport obviously) unless life and limb are already on the line.
Well sometimesw you don't get to choose. This is what you prepare for. Even if he has a weapon you are still much more likely to survive if you have trained real self defence. The most unplaned murders happens close up even with guns.
Well that's why you learn more than 1 art to become well rounded. You also learn how to use weapons. Think about what the guy said in the video: jiu jitsu was made as a last resort if your weapon broke and you were taken to the ground. Before that, you have striking like karate/boxing to strike before being taken to the ground. Before striking, you have short melee weapons like knives and sticks. Before that, you have longer range weapons like guns and grenades.
All of these things fil a certain niche and serve crucial purposes and they're all important. Only a moron would become an expert with a gun alone thinking he'll never have to worry about a situation where the other guy has a knife or there's zero weapons and it becomes a slug fest or grappling.
That’s why it’s essential to study and master the mysterious art of Gun-Fu!!!
FACTS!
I think this really highlights the idea that in order to be able to use Jiu-jitsu effectively you really have to try and work on your takedowns/throws/trips. This way, you're not relying on your opponent to engage with you on the ground, you force them to engage with you. And if your takedowns are solid then you engage on your terms. Great video!
"takedowns/throws/trips"
Maybe do some judo in addition to jiu-jitsu.
I think keeping it balanced with MMA, where both standup and rolling are practiced is optimal.
Right this guy is missing the point you take the fight to the ground where u are better look at Gracie in ufc 1 n 2
@@crazy10bearsif you want to be effective in gi do judo most effective in no gi do wrestling
@@crazy10bearsJapanese forms of JJ incorporate Judo throws.
This just seems like the equivalent of going to a soccer tournament and saying, "Just pick the ball up with your hands, idiots."
Its like entering a boxing tournament then refusing to box
He’s bringing up the one point experts lose understanding in, that the knowledge becomes adapted to the rules. The question then begs, how rules affect the simulation of fighting. The more rigid the rules, the more sports like the activity. Every martial arts has its great aspects. But equally important is understanding that once we reach a certain level, further knowledge becomes artificially important for the sports angle, common sense tends to be lost by those absorbed. Ego gets in the way. Truth is we all know how to fight. We lose that ability when we study too much on a subject without consulting our common sense and instincts.
My only argument is that you went up against another white belt who wasn't proficient in takedowns. However, when you were training with higher belts, you weren't able to "just stand up and walk away." Having said that, i do agree that a lot of modern bjj moves are meant to enhance the "game" and could probably be nolified by simply standing up and disengaging. Great video and perspective!
If he wanted to train with someone good at takedowns he would go to a Judo championship...
A counter argument could be made that equal level belts/equal level experience could manage to walk away from each other, since they have the same knowledge.
Then again, I'd also assume that they'd know how to get a real good hold, so, maybe not?
It'd actually be interesting to see! A cool experiment
A white belt is still a novice when it comes to BJJ…There’s levels to the game and that’s why some wrestling is super important as well.
Every fight you avoid is a fight won.
100% lol
As a BJJ guy, I'm glad Jesse exposed a guard puller. I'd love to see him do a No-Gi tournament and see what wrestling feels like. Great Video!
He beat a Day 1 Guy, calm down.
@@JonwallachioI like how he did proceeded with the tournament as well. Got one win and got out of there. Jesse is such a bitch.
@@Chris_Does_Stuff no shit
I do not think so, keep in spinning it bjj people.
I did manage to solve some of the ghosting by putting off dlss ray rconstruction. When it was on it made judy and eve look 50.
As a BJJ student, this is just embarrassing. I'd like to see a similar video for wrestling. A good wrestler is putting you on the ground whether you like it or not. 😅
yea the quintessence of grappling is imposing yourself physically on your enemy wether he wants it or not.
you are literally forcing him and bending him against his will.
but hey since you can "just stand up" if someone with his weak ass lapel grip pulls guard on you submission grappling isnt real lmao.
It's just white belt things, it probably wouldn't be the same even with a blue belt.
Yeah because wrestlers have a lot standing up game unlike bjj which 99% is laying down game
seen good wrestlers come in and smash entire jitsu tournaments, watch Bo Nickal first ever tournament LMAO... I have trained/competed in BJJ here in Tampa for three years and find it hilarious.
He should have gone to a grappling competition. His ass would certainly have been kicked quite faster.
Now I suppose there is a reason why he didn't show any of the subsequent fights in this tournament. His second opponent probably swept the floor with him 😂😂😂
Jesse i love your questioning all this stuff. Your being fairly objwctive considering you train and teach a specific style and i appreciate the sincerity and honesty in it.
“You’re not allowed to disengage. Let him drag you to the ground and choke you out or you’ll be penalized.”
To be fair, what he did is like entering a boxing ring and throwing kicks.
In a real fight a bjj fighter that knows nothing else is going to either tackle you or pull guard. Pulling guard is safer and easier, but you never see it on tv cause it pulls the foe into closed guard. A very dominant position against someone unfamiliar with ground grappling, but a disadvantaged position against someone trained in both grappling and striking on the ground…such as a mma fighter. It also scars up your back something fierce if used on concrete.
Not talking out my butt either. I’ve used it before to protect myself from getting mugged (didn’t have the space or position to jodo throw). Its really is just that easy to get someone to the ground if you’re willing to grit your teeth and commit. Unless you fight a wrestler. You don’t takedown the takedown kings. At best, you hope they forget that you’re better at ground grappling, and take themselves down on top of you as a of force of habit.
Same thing in wrestling, you’re not allowed to disengage
Word. Lol
@@Type-oseveryone has a plan till they get punched in the face - Mike Tyson
@@nev12345678910wrong, you can absolutely escape the other opponent in wresting, and what he does here is the same. bjj the sport makes little sense if it penalizes escaping the opponents maneuvers
Even when proving a point and being serious Jesse comes across as such a nice man.
I don’t take myself seriously, I take martial arts seriously! 👊
He and his brother are a true shinobi (martial gentemen).
@@KARATEbyJesse then show how effective these techniques are against an experienced grappler.
@@KARATEbyJesse damn man, I love that line
@@patrickmoler8025Sounds like the same line used by traditional martial artists who ask MMA fighters to fight some master up some mountain.
"This was not part of the plan. Luckily, my opponent gives me his leg. So, I try to break it." Never change, Jesse. Haha
Maybe I should have read the rules 🤔
Ya it looked like that ankle lock would've worked if the ref didn't stop him but they have those rules so the new students don't get hurt because they are most likely not on that level to defend yet cuz they haven't learned those defences yet. I'm a BJJ guy and that looked like you had a solid grip on his foot and would have broke it cuz he didn't know how to react to the move. Definitely would've got him in a street fight. But he's brand new tho.
@@KARATEbyJesseya should have done the helicopter and flung him 10 feet when ya had his leg thats what i do and the look on their face is priceless 😮
Ya like bbj looks seriously stupid when one guy wants to beat you up and the other wants to sit down first
@@KARATEbyJesse what that ref doesn't realize is there's no rules in a real street fight, in a real street fight there's no ref saying you can't break his leg or that you'll be disqualified if you don't go down to the ground. You really showed them you kept it real great job!👌👍
I mean, his opponent looks like he’s been doing it for a couple of months. Against a purple belt and above - very different story 😂
that's funny, because he's not using his black belt karate skills here in a bjj fight, idk wtf you smoking.
You mean Blue 😂 or 1 Year+ white
Bro shut up the opponent has experiences but he tried to use his bjj move on the ground it just his move don’t work against a real street fight if the guy was down like that kicked in the belly and face bru 😭😭😭😂😂😂
The match ending with your opponent casually letting you mount him was hilarious
First, it was hilarious. Second, Jesse is a very experienced martial artist going against a white belt who probably has a few months of training, I am not surprised how things went.
He was exhausted from trying to drag me down for so long
You mentally exhausted him as well.
@@KARATEbyJesseis there no kicking, punching in BJJ? Does it always have to be on the ground?
That's stupid if that's the case. Not reality.
People watch MMA/UFC because almost everything is allowed. It's more real.
@@KARATEbyJesse EXACTLY put all your weight on him he was spent.
This tournament is for people mutually agreeing to having fights in a given style, not necessarily for just fighting until one gives up. Is it impractical in a real foght? Yes, because it's not meant to be used in a real fight. It might have been, at some point, but here today it is meant as a restriction; "can you win a fight with these arbitrary restrictions". Same as olympic speedwalking; "who is the fastest doing a funny run?"
do you think a random kid that wants to learn to fight and ends up with jiu jitsu for some reason will be ok having wasted 5 years practicing a boring, practically useless sport because it doesn't come with a "not actually applicable to a real fight" disclaimer?
Thank you, someone with some sense was desperately needed.
Yeah that's not what most people who do bjj believe. They think they can actually use it in fight.
@@raukoring They can lol. Happens all the time. It’s a pretty well known fact that most street fights end up on the ground without any strikes landing in the first place. All street fights turn into a wrestling match
Same applies for karate.
I train Muay Thai, Bjj (focus on no gi), and folkstyle wrestling. I have also been in some street fights when I was dumb and younger. I 100 percent agree you shouldn't get into street fights if possible, but from my experience you will go to the ground eventually. BJJ is extremely useful in that situation, just like muay thai is extremely useful for striking, and wrestling is extremely useful for takedowns. What you won't see though is someone pulling guard and staying to the ground, like the guy in the tournament.
or just one guy at a time
Yes you should only ever go to the ground when you have full control of the body and you're taking them to the ground
No idea why people fucus in wrestling takedown. There's another 70% stopping you taking me down and getting up.
I think that's what the guy in the video is missing about this and imo is being kind of a dick about. BJJ's main focus is grappling and ground techniques, it makes no sense to focus on other techniques/styles when that's not what you're competing against/with. It's not MMA, and never pretends to be either.
@@T3n50r ". It's not MMA, and never pretends to be either." ROFLMAO the UFC was literally created to showcase BJJ
You are so right about the ancient Japanese Ju Jitsu. I practice it as oppose to Brazilian jiu-jitsu and it's fun and way more practical on the streets. Many easy ways to finish the fight standing, disarm your opponent and one thing we are taught is to not to go the ground on the street as oppose to BJJ guys. I advice everyone to read on JJJ
I'm happy you beat him
"Most fights end on the ground"
Most fights don't have referees.
Well, they do. Jail vrs hospital! 😂😢 Its the unfortunate part of a street fight. Me, as a near 55yr old man just got into a brawle with a 30 something on my own pourch, he attacked me on my pourch! I've wrestled and took Tae Kwon Do, he ran after attacking me.
You don't need a ref if you choke them unconscious or break their arm or ankle. Did we not settle this debate in UFC 1?
@@Yata69thats a judge not a ref
@@ironphill911This exactly. The first few UFCs and even this video proves that an actual practiced/skilled BJJ fighter WILL take you to the ground against your will and dominate you. His sillyness only worked against the white belt in a specific tournament scenario, lol.
Not sure how 2 diffiferant conversations converged,, I am sorry. I, as a 54 yr old male have a super stupid advanced lvl of Ostioparosis! It does bother me! By my docs , I'm not even allowed tp defend me!
As a guy who did ASKA Shotokan for 9 years and now specifically trains in NOGI BJJ, I love your honesty in this vid about karate and BJJ.
"A Karate black belt walks into a BJJ bar. Everyone else immediately lies down and wriggles towards him..."
There's a thing called take downs
Eww
@@MarvelStopmotion716 and BJJ practitioners suck at it
@@Dakahrii we don't and what do you do💀
@@Dakahrii plus were alright at take downs but we do know throws
“Hey! You can’t do that! If you break his leg he can’t do ground gymnastics!”
Reminds me of a documentary I watched about swords. This sword fighting master was fencing and he grabbed the other guy's blade. The other guy immediately said, "hey! You can't do that! It's against the rules!". To which the sword master said, "rules? I'm not worried about rules, I'm trying to kill you." 😂
This was a terrible conclusion bc BJJ is not something you use as a pure martial art or you will get hurt it is a supplement. It’s
Is extremely effective but you don’t use it alone it’s what you use on the ground and you NEVER want to be there but if you do this is what you do. Also he got destroyed when he went with people who actually knew bjj but when he went with the white belt who was obviously very green yea he was able to walk away. In a competition you use just that martial art sport is different than self defense. That’s like if you were boxing and ran away from the ring and when the ref made you come back you said the art was useless bc irl you could do that. Jesus loves you! “Come to me all you who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest.”-Matthew 11:28
LOL this comment reminds me of the "knife fight" between Butch and Harvey in the 1969 film Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid with Paul Newman, dam hilarious scene
@@grimeyhonkyracing3938 Reminds me of the scene "Sharpe Fights Wickham's Soldiers". The young thief Captain tries fighting Sharpe using the rules of fencing, and Sharpe has to give him new rules when it comes to actual combat.
@@landonbohinc8146The issue is for at least a decade BBJ has often been in the conversation of being one of the best material arts around the masses for self defense. It really is not so videos that show its flaws are needed especially in an era where sports BBJ is weakening BBJ as a martial arts for real life.
@@landonbohinc8146 I think it's probably more like dancing around the ring, letting the big guy wear himself out throwing punches, then stepping in and KOing him with a well-placed shot. Remember that he did, in fact, win by grappling the opponent and securing the choke.
“Of course it doesn’t work because I just stand up” 😆
Craig Jones has an instructional called "just stand up" 😂. But a lot of BJJ practitioner forget that throws, takedowns and wrestling are a vital tool in your BJJ, that way you can take the fight to where you want it to be
Please stop saying BJ this is a family friendly platform
@@zug3226BJJ is the abbreviation of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, and has nothing to do with BJ. Are we just supposed to not use acronyms because they're sorta similar to a different term? What about organizations like the World Taekwondo Federation, the WTF, are we just not supposed to use abbreviations?
Please tell me you’re joking?
They’re not saying BJ, they’re saying BJJ. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Not where *your* mind is going.
@@zug3226shut up.
They forget the roots and where they got their BJJ from > Judo > Jujutsu
To be fair everyone but this guy was there for the right intentions
I find that BJJ people tend to say that most fights end up on the ground to justify that BJJ is important in case of going to the ground. Someone asked Ted Wong about teaching ground fighting and he said that he teaches keeping the distance and being on your feet to counter grappling.
It reminds me of that one statistic that claims "90% of gamblers quit before they hit it big".
Wrestling would be better in that situation anyway. At least you'll be on top on the ground.
@@wigletron2846thats not always your choice
@@wigletron2846 in a grappling situation yeah but wrestling also teaches you to give away your back when you're on the ground
@@muntchzI've also seen a lot of wrestlers who like to lead with their face when going for a takedown, that usually doesn't work too well either...
I love the fact that you showed the JJ root back in Japan with soldiers wearing armor, not Gi.
I took BJJ in school and it was 100% like an art / sport. You don’t challenge a guy in a bar to football, you play because it’s fun.
Take a painting class. Learn to fight.
@@MyFriendlyPup painting isn't a sport but okay? lmao
@@bigballuh1 he said BJJ is an art/sport. Learn to paint (art) learn to fight (sport) > BJJ
@@bigballuh1 you've mastered the art of missing the point
@@Tac0Tings given the title of the video and how some people percieve BJJ he could've been saying that BJJ isn't considered fighting and that he should take painting class for the art and learn to fight taking something other than BJJ but okay
Any “martial art” that put serious restrictions on how to use your body or your skills is not a martial art
That means boxing isn't a martial art.
@@andrewli6606 it’s an aspect
The other problem with BJJ in a streetfight, is that while you're trying to do takedowns and grapple, you're getting punched and kicked.
You gotta be high level and awesome at takedowns to be effective on the street
Extreme pain tolerance and lack of reaction to the damage too. Most great boxers have at least some of that, you won't see any glass jaw champions.
if that were true no one would ever land a takedown in MMA.
It doesn’t matter how strong you think you are, a well placed punch or knee is going to knock anyone out and anyone can get lucky with one hit too
THIS is what people don't get, even my friend who practices BJJ agrees that in a street fight simple Boxing is better, simpler moves are better in general. The moment you fall on the ground you are dead because there's a high chance it will be more than 1 attacker.
This entire debate is meaningless. The bjj in this video is the sport. If somebody was fighting somebody on the “street” there would not be rules. Why does everyone constantly compare to what would happen on the street? It isn’t a street fight. It’s a bjj competition.
I don’t think you would have had as easy of a time collectively disproving the effectiveness of jiu jitsu if you had to face someone with some tournament experience or someone who’d been practicing for a while. That dude looked like his professor was still tying his belt for him… that’s really no different than someone walking into your karate dojo and knocking out your newest student and saying, “karate doesn’t work.”
Yeah, the guy he faced looked like he had less than a week of training. He wasn't even good enough to be called low level.
Wow, who would've thought that a more experienced in the field dude would win in a fight set by his rules
>> that’s really no different than someone walking into your karate dojo and knocking out your newest student and saying, “karate doesn’t work.”
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And that would be completely justified, if that newest student's teachers had decided he was ready for a competition.
"Drop on top of me and allow me to dry hump you into submission to prove what a fighter I am!"
Seriously...
I mean, BJJ is the only martial art where full contact competitions aren't even trying to simulate an actual fighting situation. Because intentionally dropping on the ground and rolling like a wounded snail while your opponent is required by the rules to follow you, instead of doing the sensible thing and moving away, is not a simulation of an actual fighting situation. Intentionally doing this in an actual fight is dangerous to you. Jesse here had a million opportunities to end the fight by just soccer-kicking his opponent's head or slamming him against the mat. Wrestling competitors don't intentionally leave you an opportunity to do this. Neither do judokas.
@@Tigermaster1986you say that till you get suplexed or double legged …..bigger dudes always try to grapple in most the fights I’ve been in it’s the same if they can’t knock you out swinging they will try to grab you or they leave
@@Tigermaster1986 True, but BJJ is more than pulling guard, and it works without pulling guard. Pulling guard is just a feasible tactic for tournaments.
Back when I practiced Jiu jitsu, we occasionally practiced proper sparring, in protective gear. As in punches and kicks, and then taking it to the ground once an exploitable opportunity opened up.
Did you and your opponent kiss on the lips after proper sparring?
@@justicedemocrat9357 I can neither confirm nor deny this. A gentleman doesn't kiss and tell.
@@mackan072 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that sounds so cool
Jew Jitsu.
I trained in BJJ as well as MMA/Muay Thai for around 5 years. Both have been invaluable.
Thank you. Sounds like the perfect combo
@@rodolforodriguez2592 It's a pretty good pair!!
That training montage was pure gold
You mean my singing especially right?
@@KARATEbyJesse No! That baby totally had you!
I'm considering making it my ringtone xD
"I'm the best around" 😂😂😂
Great stuff, thank you for the vid.
Bro, you entered a division where nobody really knows how to do any jiu jitsu yet 😂
And he trained a little bjj first.
I’m a grey belt an I beat orange belts and blacks
@@AlexanderJujitsu look at you!
@@AlexanderJujitsuWow you are the coolest person on this planet 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Sure
I would love to see how well you could defend against takedowns from those first three guys you sparred with.
That’s what I’m sayin. He entered against white belts. I couldn’t take anyone down for years after starting bjj. A blue or higher would probably rag doll him. He’s also very experienced in karate and that gives him some combat experience. Bjj destroys people with no experience and he would be a fish out of water against someone with half his karate experience.
guys it was all a joke. he was proving that he was wrong in the first 3 minutes. the rest was a joke. @@SP-hs6bj
They could also be punched in the face while trying.
@@testingstuff5942 Sure, but very unlikely. I think the term is "puncher's chance"? We all have that chance, but it is like 1%.
I always love this line. As if only one side would be throwing hands once that started.
The true best material artist is the MMA fighter who utilizes various aspects of what he or she learns in order to keep the upper hand of every occasion. BJJ is a critical skill because in a fight that gets close, it can end up on the ground.
I've taught my students that exact lesson. The last place you want to be is on the ground. We will train some techniques there, but most will involve getting back up quickly. Fights are almost never 1 on 1.
AWESOME 😎😎
Kajukenbo sifu said the same. BJJ is still a fun sport.
@lancecook7225 I definitely like BJJ and have played with some friends that do it. I would rather know it should I be on the ground. It brings me to another lesson I taught my advanced students. Don't believe our style is better than another. Instead, learn other styles and incorporate them, like another tool in the toolbox.
@@lancecook7225it's a fun sport until someone grabs you and you have no clue what to do and get manhandled
"Fights are almost never 1 on 1" ... spoken like someone who has never been in a street fight before...lol
"I doubt that this is what the ancient samurai warriors had in mind" part was pure fire😂😂😂😂😂😂
As always, beautiful content and solid storytelling. More power to you Sir Jesse !
BJJ not JJJ
Hand or had?
@@mugnuzyou must be really smart
@@skooskipotato3750 no pls hand over your smartness to my mind i cant handle beeing dumb
.. :(
The referee said several times "You're not allowed to do that". That's the biggest problem between classical or competitive martial arts and defending yourself in a street fight. I think Jesse’s point is BJJ (and some other classical martial arts) do not prepare you to defend yourself.
To be fair, martial arts probably wouldn't be that popular if they permitted eye-gouching, biting or nutshots.
@@drunkenhobo8020 you havent seen celebrity deathmatch then havent you XD hahahah
its not just that, the real issue is that when he said that he was basically telling him "no you have to play along or youre disqualified" like that just shows how the style doesnt work unless youre also playing along with the opponent, which in a real life scenario could get you killed. martial arts generally arent just for show and sportsmanship, they show you how to defend yourself in a fight or fight situation, while showing you discipline, and ive met people that swear by BJJ and my immediate response usually is "then go fight someone who wont play along" to which they come up with some excuse as to why that cant be done(usually a bold face lie that they will kill the person) but yeah its nuts.
@@Aqsticgod This is literally the case with any martial art. By definition, both fighters agree to a set of rules beforehand
"Hey guys Muay Thai doesn't work because your opponent could just refuse to play by the rules, pull out a gun and shoot you"
Absurd argument
Sports are sports and nothing else. You don't go to a volleyball competition and starts tackling people on the other side of the court... Just learn the rules and do what the Romans do.
Dude should try to prove his point in MMA against a fighter who mainly uses BJJ.
I dont understand what you wanted to do.
Your jjb opponents dont want to prove that jjb is a super insane weapon. They just want to do some sport competitions, by fighting with specific rules.
They dont want to prove anything
90% of all fights end up on the ground... For the one who loses. The other person is standing over them
thats what bjj is for
@@DariusD-fg3uj If it's anything other than a BJJ competition the one on the ground is getting stomped and completely destroyed.
I do mma so I know how to punch as well and wrestle and kickbox. Guys who just learn jitsu have a habit of feeling safe on the ground and it’s not
@@daniel12402 yeah, if the whole idea of the martial art is to be on the ground and the rules force that, it certainly seems strong, but when the limits are off the table you realize it's not the tool you should lean on, but a last resort
That’s a myth… that 90% statistic was started based off a study of law enforcement altercations in the US where the goal is GET THIS to get the suspect on the ground and detain them for arrest… which btw it was something like 68% which is a far cry from the 90% statistic people love to repeat.
You just experienced what white belt tournaments are all about, guard pulling. Its a major issue with beginner BJJ not going over takedowns enough to really understand how to take people to the ground.
@@J3unG
But that's not what BJJ is about!
It's about creating an excuse to perv on women and to "roll" with smaller dudes to prove how very alpha you are to those said women. And roids.... Lots and lots of roids. Cause for some reason when you roll with weight advantage and always choose less experienced partners you somehow stop improving after a while and it's as if even the women and small guys seem to overtake you and your ego which just recovered from your daddy leaving to buy cigarettes when you were 5 years old won't let that happen!
BTW: It's said that the first BJJ tournament is still going on! Both of the opponents lying on their back in guard on the beach waiting for the other to make a move.
BJJ is a great art, but should be taken with some wrestling or judo to help make it more complete.
@@JM.MEL_ The truth is : Judo is composed of parts from traditional Jujutsu, and BJJ is a mix composed of parts from traditional Jujutsu and parts from Judo.
Why not practicing traditional Jujutsu instead ?
Most white belts have less then 1 year of training and never practiced takedowns. They don't allow leg locks at white/blue belt level to prevent potential injury. Most BJJ is practiced from a worse case scenario such as your opponent already took you down and has an advantageous position. You don't need BJJ if you're winning the standup fight but it comes in handy if you're losing it.
The highest level champions in sport jiu-jitsu are butt scooters. Just watch the recent Imanari vs musumeci match on One Championship. It's not just a white belt thing.
The training montage is so hilarious!😂 well done!
I agree!
Lol the part with the baby 😂😂
I think you proved your point very well that the lack of takedowns in BJJ is a clear weakness since it evolved into a sport with too many rules! Thank you for your effort in this video.
“I’m gonna prove BJJ doesn’t work!”
(Proceeds to play with a 1-week old white belt) 😂
After training bjj no less lol.
Stop whining just accept the fact: BJJ is crap
The title should be "black-belt karate jackass wins over white-belt bjj kid and thinks he did something"
The opponent knows nothing about BJJ, probably a beginner. The world's least effective martial art, Karate, stands no chance against BJJ.@@r7diego
And then promptly wins by choking him out with the only BJJ sub he learnt. But BJJ doesn't work.
Yea I’ve been doing jiujitsu for over 5 years and even in the jiujitsu community, pulling guard or “trying to pull someone on top of you” is made fun of and looked down upon in some instances. Great video!!
Honestly, it sounds like the attitude at your school is better than I see from many supposed BJJ people.
No its not. Not at all. It's a common joke yes but almost everyone pulls guard in BJJ. You're taking a common joke seriously.
But if I just shoot a double or single leg, which I'm going to do in 98% of street fights if I'm being hit, in order to protect myself and take control, then I'm bring him down, wrapping him up, and choking him out within 60 seconds... so tell me how BJJ doesn't work?
@@joshh6861Did you respond to the wrong person?
@@joshh6861 relax..and go roll!
No matter what martial art you practice, nothing works when someone runs away.😂
Exactly. Maybe someone should create martial arts which focuses on running away/escaping. One could practice this in different scenarios/environments; streets, forest, markets, bars... 🤣
@@Kenny0z It's called "Parkour"
Let's invent a fighting system that focuses on fighting while running, in any situation. Self defense and self offense. Either running away from your opponent, or chasing down your opponent.
@@sovietninja3 Runshido and we need one in case youre attacked during swimming, lets call it Aquatendo.
@@prometheus9096 Poseidon about to get humbled. LET'S GO 💪🥽
What ive learned from this video is i would personally not struggle against bjj practitioner due to my couple of years of training boxing as a side thing, my natural size and the fact that when i grew up i often wrestled with my brother and his friends all of whom were 5 or so years older then me and regularly worked out.
Now of course this could just be me being cocky but considering i could as a 90 pound brat with no training and almost no muscle compete in wrestling against people twice my size and weight im not worried.
Always love when Jesse takes on other martial arts!
Glad to hear!!
@@KARATEbyJesse Jesse when you want to sparring again with wing chun practitioner?
Try Dominic Izzo or Adam Chan. Dominic Izzo excel at forward pressure in wing chun and Adam Chan good at body mechanic. Despite Kevin Lee popularity, he doesn't have that forward pressure aspect or body mechanic aspect of wing chun. Kevin Lee is good but he lacks at something. Again, try Dominic Izzo or Adam Chan.
I really like Adam Chan, but I dislike the "become war" opinion of Dom izzo.
In Europe best you can try in Wing Chun is Cord Elsner I think so far. 🙂
@@KARATEbyJesse yea we have some karate black belts who get ragged dolled during sparing. Try challenging someone with experience next time vs some noob begginers at a tiny local tournament. Put on a blue belt and enter a ibjjf tournament like worlds or PANS and you will get absolutely slapped. Ill be at both in 2024 middle weight.
Let me know when he takes on other martial arts as opposed to a single middle aged white belt
I’ve been trying to articulate this point for years ( even as a BJJ practitioner ). You finally did it. Thanks for this masterpiece!
se você acha que ele conseguiu provar o ponto dele lutando contra um faixa branca tu só é burro mesmo
but he had to literally train in BJJ to figure out how to stop a BJJ guy from keeping him down
You can't be that good if you think this guy knows what he's talking about. I've had people try to run from me. It does not work. As soon as i grab you, if you are not ridiculously strong, or know what you are doing you are fucked.
@@natman2939that's not the point he's making tho
get the correct point together... are you talking about white bjj tourment where its implicit someone is going to go to the ground or a bar fight not ending in the ground?
a abr fight have tables, chairs, people where you are certanly going to step on and go to the ground....just one of the many reasons a fight will go down.... but if you are talking about the tourment, even against a white belt, just tell him in advanced that you will not go down and see the result...or try a black, then say the results :)
Really interesting video, many of us have understood that competitive martial arts breeds phenominal technique, but not always practicality. Does not mean the martial art is worthless, either Olympic Karate, World BJJ, just that there are limitations to systems and we should recognize this.
Feels like bar entrances are a more realistic "tournaments" for me cause there's no snowflake rules, I'm no pro so look it up but feels like tournaments are either won by 45% grapple, 45% hard knock-out, the rest are everything else.
Tournaments used to be my biggest respect when I was a kid, there's still some but not as much as I think.
Exactly
Forget bjj. Start learning JU-DO...
Watching the nicest guy trying to be carefully arrogant is one of the most wholesome things that I've witnessed 😂❤️
I tried my best! 😅
I did some Japanese Jiu Jutsu and it was very different to the Brazilian version. We did lots of throws, breakfalls and joint locks and chokes. More time was spent in the mechanics of throwing than ground fighting. Also doing a lot of realistic defences against knife and club attacks.
My guy ur wasting ur time
@@M4H11_24How?
@@M4H11_24What’s a better style that would be useful?
Why?@@M4H11_24
I do JKD and Muay Thai and realistic defence from a knife attack is running. Seen the video on here where a couple martial artists try to fight of a knife attack? Spoiler they all wouldve been dead.
"If he would have just stood up that never would have happened."
I spit out my water when he said that 😂
“One specific white belt couldn’t take me down, therefore a whole martial art isn’t useful”. What a genius take
did you not listen to his closing remarks about all martial arts being useful for a certain aspect of fighting??
Totally agree. I would never pull guard and ive always approached my bjj training with self defense as my priority. Ive boxed for years as well. However, you walked into s tournament and proved your point… against a white belt. Id love to see you try to just walk away from people who actually know what they’re doing.
Oh that was a white belt? Didn't even look for it. Lol yeah go up against an actually BJJ expert and things will look a lot different.
I also never heard anyone say BJJ is great for a street fight (unless it's a true 1:1 and the distance has already been closed). And you can't go into a BJJ tournament and then ignore the rules and say "see it doesn't work". Especially when your opponent is likely having is first match.
LOL, YES!!
Let’s keep in mind that the guy is a black belt in Karate. You’d get a similar result from a Black belt in BJJ participating in a Karate tournament against white belts. A lot of martial arts experience carries over between different styles plus he’s likely in better shape than your average white belt.
That’s my point
To be fair BJJ has changed a lot. In it's early days with the Gracie's they focused a lot on closing the distance and taking your opponent down. Now that it's become a sport, most academy's focus on winning competitions and not street fighting so they they very rarely worry about take downs or closing the distance on strikers. For that reason people looking for a single martial art for self defense should find an old school academy or just join a Judo dojo. With Judo you'll learn almost everything BJJ teaches only you'll focus more on taking your opponent down and controlling from the top and how to get to your feet fast from the bottom plus landing a nice throw on cement with an opponent who doesn't know how to break fall can end the fight right then and there. It's also great that both martial arts allow you to somewhat safely spar at 100% as that can really help prepare you mentally for a street fight.
Yeah, I think that's one of the reasons they still separate their brand as Gracie Jujutsu vs BJJ
Se pesquisar direitinho, vai ver que os Gracie foram brigões com mais fama do que méritos.
Familia desonrada da pourra.
@jimmy2483 what you said is exactly how the Dagestanis approach the ground game... No wonder they are so dominant. Also exactly how Danaher and Zahabi say the effectiveness of ground game(bjj, top control etc) can be increased.
Agreed, judo is superior to modern bjj
Judo+BJJ+Wrestling is just something else.
Jesse, you perfectly summarized what should be ground fighting : your last resort in a fight.
Maybe you should have try against wrestlers instead, because they know how to take down someone who doesn't want to go down, and that make a big difference in a fight compared to someone who passively waiting for you to join him on the ground.
I think the point was to show the limitations of bjj in that its obsession with submission has made it too one dimensional like most Karate. Who would win in a fight between BJJ and Karate.
@@Art-is-craftindeed. that's why training in BJJ goes along with Grappling/Wrestling/Judo training. Sambo is also an option since it merges all of these notions into one martial art.
@@xenomorphelv4265
If BJJ was to modify it self to become more like judo it would be far more effective.
lol sambo gets exposed by jiu jitsu everytime including the take down , watch any of one’s matches
@@TheLencho I remember the time where Fedor dominated Nogueira in the Pride FC. depend the skill of the practionner.