And that bar wasnt reached by many even until now. 🤘👹❤ Totally agree. Its kinda sad to see.. Im 26 and without my father bringing that music near to my heart and soul as a kid i would be lost these days. Especially after the loss of one of the only modern musicians i truly loved, Mac Miller 🙏❤
Ginger idolized Art. This was probably the moment of a lifetime for Ginger. I love the way they interpreted each others statements and answered in kind. There is some real heavy communication going on here. Too many drummers work on having great hands which is important but great hands means nothing without great ears. I love both of these guys so the "winner" here is me and anyone else who gets to listen to this...
I never realized just how good Baker was until I saw Beware of Baker. I knew he was good in Cream and very innovative, but then to see him battle against the jazz giants just blew me away.
you are , largely correct. But when the 'match" taping was over, the press wanted Ginger & Elvin to embrace for a promo shot..Ginger said ok , but Elvin said " just don't make it look TOO friendly "@@aleleeinnaleleeinn9110
I used to think Baker's solos where a bit straight, caveman-like. Now I think he is trying to replicate African styles. From this point of view I think his solos make more sense. Art is soo good here. It appears to me that he is going off his comfort zone to match Ginger's style and this results in something quite special
And ,ironically enough, that more organic element/ "African "village to village" is what seperates Baker from the rock herd .But Ginger utilized orthodox, military ,precise stick work which many of his idols, or contemporaries is more known for..he could do it all-whatever the musical context /cue from what was going on around him.
Art seemed impressed with Ginger's independence. Ginger seemed impressed with Art's power. It's a little like each of them wanted to show the other the aspects of their playing that would prove the could truck in the other's circle. Very cool to see.
That was outstanding, Art looked like he was giving no quarter there during the trade-offs, but you could see their mutual respect for one another during the end of film drum duet.
These two virtuous drummers were masters and an apprentices of each others even though Ginger was heavily influenced by Art but man i can tell Art is very “swung” by Ginger’s feel and his orchestral playing as well as his jazz chops! Geniuses at drums and both are so incredibly humble of each other’s gifts Love this treasure of a film!
Too many comments to read through, but I love that just two minutes in, and you can see how much these guys are watching and *listening* to each other.
Answer no2: None of these guys "brought Ginger up". They all knew about him. His Solos "Do what you like" and "Toad" had made him known all over the drummers world! He had made history by re-defining drumming. He is one of the few drummers who is constantly playing with all 4 limbs, using hi-hi hat as a time keeper, and thus has an immaculate timing. Over that he plays patterns adopted from the african talking drums, so he combines ancient thousand years old drumming with modern Jazz and Rock!
Wow! Wow! Wow! Two super drummers playing together. Playing magnificently, marvelous, with talent, style and rhythm. We just can't get it better. I really enjoy it. Some comments are funny, they miss the point.
There's footage of Ginger Baker in tears telling how much it meant to him to be recognized by those legendary jazz drummers as being one of their own. That meant so much more to him that anything else. You can see it here, the way Art nods at him going "Oh yeah, this boy KNOWS his shit!"
Inconsistent recording quality but a timeless one, so we do have this for posterity! They both have a great sense of humor in their exchanges that adds such a good feel.
For those of you who like to criticize one way or the other, look at interviews with Ginger Baker--speaking as an old man, he remembers these so-called "drum battles" with obvious emotion--he makes clear his deep respect for the great drummers that participated in these events with him, and cites these men's influence and friendship as an important part of his life. All this from a man known for his, shall we say, irascibility. UA-cam viewers may not be able to learn drumming from Ginger, but we could learn something from his open-minded, big-hearted attitude in this respect (obviously not in certain other aspects of his life, in which he would clearly not be much of a role model!)
I'm not a huge Ginger Baker fan, but you have to credit him for showing up. All these drum battles are Ginger vs Legend X. Give it up to the guy who met the challenge.
Palmer has a big mouth too, and I've seen him perform live, 2 1/2 hours worth from a distance of 25ft. He's very, very good, but Baker is my favorite hands down.
I remember hearing about this drum battle...cause im so damn old....but this is the first time that I ever watched it ..very cool...Ginger sounded much better than I originally thought...Art is certainly one of my all time favorite Jazz drummers... R Tullius...KJT
Jesus guys. Can't we express our opinions without the name calling? Everybody is not going to agree. We all rank drummers by their style, technique, musicality, type of music , showmanship and our individual standards. Even our favorites don't always give outstanding performances. We are all drummers or at least appreciate drumming. Let's keep it civil.
This is probably from one of their drum battles. Ginger alone among rock drummers fought drum battles against the top jazz drummers of the era and was judged the winner by the youthful audiences. As a jazz buff I might have judged differently but the very fact that he took these guys on shows that Ginger was King of the Rock Drummers in his day.
Phil Barker Ginger was originally a jazz drummer I guess but what he is known for is his work with Cream. Ginger is not what you would call soft-spoken but I love the guy. I only wish they could do something for his health.
avalanche344 You don't know what you're talking about. You're fixated with a non entity. By the way if I lashed out you would know about it. Now get back in your pram fuckwit.
Read Ginger's book "Hellraiser"! I also read an article in a german drummers magazine, many years ago, where Art commented on Ginger's great playing and his friendship with him. Unfortunately after moving houses 5 times, I haven't got that one anymore. You realy should understand that Ginger has played Jazz, Rock, Worldmusic throughout his life, and at the moment has a band called Jazz Confusion! He is a multi talent and is highly regarded in the Jazz, Rock and Afro Beat world!
Hi Rador. I think it's a common mistake for young people to want to become a "jazz drummer", or "rock drummer"! A drummer should be a musician and therefore he should listen to as many different kinds of music as possible. One day I shared a practicing room wit a guitarist who played in a "grunge rock" band, and was amazed to see him playing transcriped paganini violin patitures on the guitar. A real musician uses the experiences of many different kinds of music! Categorisation is limitation!
Art was just a force of nature, even though he was getting up there in years at the time of this video. I could always tell when it was Art whenever I heard that hi-hat. Too bad there's no video of the duo Baker did with Elvin Jones.
@@parallaxcontinuum7898 - It was videoed, but never released, apart from the clip on 'Beware of Mr. Baker', but you can get it on audio CD (I have it...)
The ultimate drumming showoff...with two awesome drummers! Jazz drummer ART BLAKEY,and rock drummer GINGER BAKER (though,he too,dabbled in jazz,before and after,CREAM!). This is like a rare treat for music aficionados,everywhere!
***** >*"What Jazz where are the albums what albums"* Ginger Baker's Jazz and Afro albums: Live! Fela Ransome-Kuti and The Africa'70 with Ginger Baker (1970 Afrobeat) Stratavarious Polydor (1972 Afro Jazz) From Humble Oranges CDG (1983 Afro Jazz) Horses & Trees Celluloid (1986 Afro Jazz) No Material live album ITM (1987 Afro Jazz) Middle Passage Axiom (1990 Afro Jazz) Unseen Rain with Jens Johansson and Jonas Hellborg, Day Eight (1992 Jazz) Going Back Home Atlantic (1994 Jazz) Falling off the roof Atlantic (1995 Jazz) Ginger Baker's Energy ITM (1995 Jazz) Coward of the County Atlantic (1999 Jazz) African Force ITM (2001 African) African Force: Palanquin's Pole Synergie (2006 African) Why! (Jazz 2014) These are the ones AFTER Cream... he was on several before Cream which could be described as Jazz-Rock (Graham Bond's Organization) and Jazz (Don Rendell). There are at least 20 other albums which are mostly in the 'Rock' category, but some of the compilation albums have Jazz tracks on them.
You can really hear the African influence with Ginger. Art Blakey is so tech it's insane. The difference between both players and their styles is incredible. I wonder what Blakey thought of Ginger's playing...
You have to bear in mind that Ginger might've been higher than heaven. Listen to Cream's "Born Under a Bad Sign" for some complex drumming inside a straight blues song.
Just an update : Art was fully competent in many, many drum:’/ percussion techniques - appreciated why Ginger (Pete) was in awe of him. Sheer style accompanied all the years of hard work, practice that went into the mix. My brother was an excellent drummer, gifted from infant years on - so I’ve insight into ‘practice time’ Love this video & Ginger facially expressing his love & respect of Art, the man. God , look after them Jane Russell
like how Art has a look like "yeah sup, Ginger,you do your thing... I don't care I am going to be over here just doing my thing"..all with a smoke in the mouth
He may hit more notes, but there's no real sense of dynamics. He's just slamming every note as possible. Jazz drumming requires way more finesse and attention to detail.
Ginger did have some amazing skills but Art Blakey's forte was expressiveness. Asked to describe Art Blakey's style Tony Williams said "he'll groove you to death." Blakey was never known as the top technician in jazz drumming but many thought him the most hypnotizing. The top technician would have been Buddy Rich, probably.
rich did that big band crap over a song with parker and it sounded off ..he doesnt have the feel gadd and roach have...I could give a damn what max says..buddy fastest rudimental soloist ever not best drummer in my eyes not even close!!!
It must have been frustrating as hell for Ginger to constantly hear himself be compared to the rock drummers of his time when there was no comparison. Perhaps frustrating enough to justify some well-earned boasting!
Overplaying is a very subjective thing. I love the looseness of drummers like Mitch Mitchell and Sabbath's Bill Ward, but I also love the understated restraint of Charlie Watts and Zigaboo Modeliste.
I'm with Philtones. Why is there any judging here? Why bring up the name of another drummer? It only opens the door to drop a dozen names of world-class drummers, all with a tremendous style of their own. I think Ginger and Art played off each other and it made both of them better. If I had to choose, I'd pick Ginger's playing in the early 1990's. He had matured a lot; he seemed happier and the music he was playing (IMHO) had more substance. As for Art, his discography speaks for itself. To think that Art's first instrument was the piano --- and he transitioned to being such an amazing student and performer on drums is a great story of artistic versatility and accomplishment. According to Art (in a 1982 interview I recorded with him at the Winter Park Jazz Festival in Colorado) his first live performance as a drummer was pure baptism by fire. At a club in his hometown of Pittsburgh one evening, early on in his career, he was unseated at the piano when Earoll Garner walked onto the bandstand --- and the band leader told Art to go sit behind the trap set. After an exchange of a few unpleasant words, that's what Art wound up doing. And that's where he stayed for the rest of his career. The piano experience no doubt helped him later as a band leader.
Was it the band leader or the club owner that told him to play the drums? I think I always heard it was the club owner, who was a stone cold gangster packing heat and that influenced Art's decision.
@@bholaoates1542 I stand corrected. It WAS the club owner. He was in Art's face about his reluctance to give up the piano chair. Aren't we glad he decided to go and sit behind the trap set, instead of walking out of the club that night?
Great drum fun. These two are masters at their craft. Both have chops I have put into my playing. I am constantly morphing from the influence of others. Thanks for the fantastic blast from the past!
At first it seems like a staring contest... But then they mesh together really well. It would have been interesting to see Bill Ward and Blakey together
A strange combination, however Bill Ward and Art Blakey are two of the ones in my very short list of really favorite drummers. Ginger is not on that list!
Jazz drummers don't necessarily come from an academic place traditionally, and Art Blakey does not, but a lot of them do today. Ginger's quote is something he learned from admiring jazz drummers like Art Blakey.
Art Blakey is much more dynamic, employs variety in percussion nuances, more dynamics in his executions. Art Blakey is much more inventive .Also allot cleaner in his execution. I was Lucky to see Art Blakey before he left us into Percussion Heaven.
The BEST drummers always have smaller drum kits...no need for show and smoke and gimmicks... I got tears in my eyes And my hearts in my gut My Grandfather was a jazz drummer and he loved Baker and Blakey and Was friends with Krupa
@Simon Phillips you shouldn't talk about something you know nothing about. These people know what they are talking about. And you can't compare a piano with a drum kit, you just showed its best to shut up when you don't know what you're talking about.
@@kimberlyhardin8034, he reminds me of that saying "wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something" - Plato.
14.28 Magical and Inspiring Minutes from two of The Greats of Our Time - Thanks Guys and you both came out 'On Top'! - That's Har-mon-eeeeee!! 'Enjoyed this greatly....
Ginger Baker is the only known drummer to have done 17th prime toccata. NOONE HAS DONE THAT - although Carl Palmer has an unofficial vid of himself doing that
+DumpedClutch Well, I have no idea what XMIR10C is referring to when he says 17th prime toccata. I assume he means that it is difficult technical piece (toccata) in which there are 17 (a prime number) beats per measure with the quarter (4) or eighth note (8) counting as one beat as opposed to the typical 4/4 time signature in pop music. I've noticed XMIR10C has been posting this on other videos, but I don't know of any drummer that uses those terms. I could be missing something though. If that is what he means, Bill Bruford when he was with King Crimson in the 80's played the song discipline in 17/16 so not just Ginger and Carl Palmer can do it.
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I hope this never gets lost. Young people need to be about these guys. These are the drummers who set the bar.
I’m a younger guy who’s all about this stuff I agree 💯
And that bar wasnt reached by many even until now. 🤘👹❤
Totally agree. Its kinda sad to see..
Im 26 and without my father bringing that music near to my heart and soul as a kid i would be lost these days.
Especially after the loss of one of the only modern musicians i truly loved, Mac Miller 🙏❤
18 and have listened to every cream song. this will never die dont worry
@@albertmerlew Thanks 😊
@@albertmerlew If you haven't seen Beware of Mr Baker, I highly recommend it. It's on UA-cam, but you probably know that.
Ginger idolized Art. This was probably the moment of a lifetime for Ginger. I love the way they interpreted each others statements and answered in kind. There is some real heavy communication going on here. Too many drummers work on having great hands which is important but great hands means nothing without great ears. I love both of these guys so the "winner" here is me and anyone else who gets to listen to this...
tony giovingo well said!
AMEN! So well put and the true point of this is so we can enjoy it!
tony giovingo Truth
Right on right on right on
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This was probably one of the greatest experiences of Ginger's life. Playing alongside one of his idols.
There's something timeless about this duet - excuse the pun.
Ginger Baker died yesterday.
It's a nice way to remember him, in his element.
Ginger Baker caught smiling is a rare moment glad it was called on this tape r i p Ginger
I never realized just how good Baker was until I saw Beware of Baker. I knew he was good in Cream and very innovative, but then to see him battle against the jazz giants just blew me away.
I don't think "Battle Against" is the right phrase. It was very much cooperation and communication.
@@aleleeinnaleleeinn9110 Not in Blakey's class. Come on now. 5:30+...
i never knew of jazz drumming before ginger baker. when i saw the documentary i started looking these guys up and fell in love with it
you are , largely correct. But when the 'match" taping was over, the press wanted Ginger & Elvin to embrace for a promo shot..Ginger said ok , but Elvin said " just don't make it look TOO friendly "@@aleleeinnaleleeinn9110
@@albertmerlewThe jazz drummers are the more polished and rhythmic
I used to think Baker's solos where a bit straight, caveman-like. Now I think he is trying to replicate African styles. From this point of view I think his solos make more sense.
Art is soo good here. It appears to me that he is going off his comfort zone to match Ginger's style and this results in something quite special
It is certainly the best solo I've seen Art do - he really pulled all the stops out!
And ,ironically enough, that more organic element/ "African "village to village" is what seperates Baker from the rock herd .But Ginger utilized orthodox, military ,precise stick work which many of his idols, or contemporaries is more known for..he could do it all-whatever the musical context /cue from what was going on around him.
Ginger learned a lot of that from Phil Seamon, then expanded it when he lived in Africa.
Art seemed impressed with Ginger's independence. Ginger seemed impressed with Art's power. It's a little like each of them wanted to show the other the aspects of their playing that would prove the could truck in the other's circle. Very cool to see.
Excellent comment at least that's my read too.
Good Lord. Two legends. Art Blakey and Ginger Baker. Amazing.
That was outstanding, Art looked like he was giving no quarter there during the trade-offs, but you could see their mutual respect for one another during the end of film drum duet.
Being the son of a pro musician I always found it cool when musicians from other genres showed each other mutual respect and admiration.
They were not from different genres
Gingers always been a Jazz Drummer
These two virtuous drummers were masters and an apprentices of each others even though Ginger was heavily influenced by Art but man i can tell Art is very “swung” by Ginger’s feel and his orchestral playing as well as his jazz chops! Geniuses at drums and both are so incredibly humble of each other’s gifts
Love this treasure of a film!
Why can't people just watch this and enjoy it? Who cares who is better than who. FTW
philtones because Ginger challenged Art?
+pdromero09 who he admired and was an honour to do so. Imagine being able to call ur hero out and get down and jam with the cat. Kool as fuk
philtones in the end they show they were jamming...and mutual respect
philtones can yb
Agree! Music is not about competition but about communication.
I have chills watching this. What an amazing moment in time. So grateful that this is even captured. Epic.
Ginger Baker at the absolute peak of his frenetic awesomeness, and Art Blakey masterful as always
Ginger would never allow anyone to call this a drum battle, he always said it was a drum duet, as he admired Art tremendously. Great show by both!!!
Ginger himself called it a battle on a Facebook post back in 2012 in a comment where he tried to diminish John Bonham.
@@ChrisLawton66 duet! Grow up! He admired Art
@@eddierivera1860 I don't think 'battle' implies beef, when it's two people who respect each other. It's a duet and a battle
I completely agree 👍
@@eddierivera1860 as he should have. Art was the original
You can slightly tell how the fabric of space time was on the verge of collapsing when these two were playing together
Too many comments to read through, but I love that just two minutes in, and you can see how much these guys are watching and *listening* to each other.
Amazing to see this. Two giants of the drum world playing side by side!
The look in Ginger's eyes near the end of this says everything you could say about him as a musician
Art & Ginger are two of the best. What stands out to me most, is the love and respect that they have for one another.
You really see the LOVE and RESPECT at the end of this.
Can't say that about many drum battles.
Two of the finest soul brothers. Thx so much for sharing.
nice to see them hug at the end..marvelous stuff...both did well !
Answer no2: None of these guys "brought Ginger up". They all knew about him. His Solos "Do what you like" and "Toad" had made him known all over the drummers world! He had made history by re-defining drumming. He is one of the few drummers who is constantly playing with all 4 limbs, using hi-hi hat as a time keeper, and thus has an immaculate timing. Over that he plays patterns adopted from the african talking drums, so he combines ancient thousand years old drumming with modern Jazz and Rock!
Good analyses.
It's nice to know that out of the six-billion people on this planet Ginger found two people to look up to - himself and Art Blakey. :-)
7 billion
Ginger looked up to all the great players. Elvin, Philly Joe, Art Blakley, Krupa, Rich, all of them. He didn't suffer fools gladly.
Lol
Eight billion
I never seen Big Red look so happy before lol.
Then again playing with idol will do that to a person
Wow! Wow! Wow! Two super drummers playing together. Playing magnificently, marvelous, with talent, style and rhythm. We just can't get it better. I really enjoy it. Some comments are funny, they miss the point.
I think I burned about 1,000 calories, or so, just _watching_ this.
Hahaha!
There's footage of Ginger Baker in tears telling how much it meant to him to be recognized by those legendary jazz drummers as being one of their own. That meant so much more to him that anything else.
You can see it here, the way Art nods at him going "Oh yeah, this boy KNOWS his shit!"
this is what makes YOU TUBE so great!!!!!!!!2 outstanding drummers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Inconsistent recording quality but a timeless one, so we do have this for posterity! They both have a great sense of humor in their exchanges that adds such a good feel.
Ginger searches for the wings' beat. Art is certain in execution. Both magnificent
I was pulling for Ginger, Art having so much experience on him. I loved the climax. Wonderful.
6:46 - Ginger starts playing the cowbell - shit just got real.
For those of you who like to criticize one way or the other, look at interviews with Ginger Baker--speaking as an old man, he remembers these so-called "drum battles" with obvious emotion--he makes clear his deep respect for the great drummers that participated in these events with him, and cites these men's influence and friendship as an important part of his life. All this from a man known for his, shall we say, irascibility. UA-cam viewers may not be able to learn drumming from Ginger, but we could learn something from his open-minded, big-hearted attitude in this respect (obviously not in certain other aspects of his life, in which he would clearly not be much of a role model!)
No-one can perform prime number 17 toccata except ginger. That makes hIm the best. Carl palmer attempted it in TANK
I'm not a huge Ginger Baker fan, but you have to credit him for showing up. All these drum battles are Ginger vs Legend X. Give it up to the guy who met the challenge.
Palmer has a big mouth too, and I've seen him perform live, 2 1/2 hours worth from a distance of 25ft. He's very, very good, but Baker is my favorite hands down.
As in so many musical "Who's Better" 's ...I see only two versions of magnificence.
Dam right 💪🤛🦶🦶🦶🦶🦶
I remember hearing about this drum battle...cause im so damn old....but this is the first time that I ever watched it ..very cool...Ginger sounded much better than I originally thought...Art is certainly one of my all time favorite Jazz drummers... R Tullius...KJT
these are the 2 most influentual musician to me ever, i wish there was a better quality version of it
Raw expression. Incredible footage.
Two great drummers at the the top of their game , RIP Art
Gingers idols Max Roach, Elvin Jones, Art Blakey and Phil Seaman enough said...
Pretty much
When 2 super great drummers have a drum battle, it becomes 2 great drummers playing together, super great solos on both men 2 super great drummers
Jesus guys. Can't we express our opinions without the name calling? Everybody is not going to agree. We all rank drummers by their style, technique, musicality, type of music , showmanship and our individual standards. Even our favorites don't always give outstanding performances. We are all drummers or at least appreciate drumming. Let's keep it civil.
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Sad loss Ginger Baker , fantastic drum battle by two great drummers.Wears me out watching em phew!
This is probably from one of their drum battles. Ginger alone among rock drummers fought drum battles against the top jazz drummers of the era and was judged the winner by the youthful audiences. As a jazz buff I might have judged differently but the very fact that he took these guys on shows that Ginger was King of the Rock Drummers in his day.
you know what you would get from Ginger for calling him a rock drummer!
A drumstick up the rectum...SIDE WAYS!
Phil Barker Ginger was originally a jazz drummer I guess but what he is known for is his work with Cream. Ginger is not what you would call soft-spoken but I love the guy. I only wish they could do something for his health.
DucksDeLucks I think it was Jack Bruce said that Cream was a jazz band they just didn't tell Eric he was the saxophonist
avalanche344 You don't know what you're talking about. You're fixated with a non entity. By the way if I lashed out you would know about it. Now get back in your pram fuckwit.
Almighty drum gods, thank you for sharing this!
Truly inspirational - a lot of hard work & training. Beautiful. I’m in awe. Thanks JaneR
Read Ginger's book "Hellraiser"! I also read an article in a german drummers magazine, many years ago, where Art commented on Ginger's great playing and his friendship with him. Unfortunately after moving houses 5 times, I haven't got that one anymore.
You realy should understand that Ginger has played Jazz, Rock, Worldmusic throughout his life, and at the moment has a band called Jazz Confusion! He is a multi talent and is highly regarded in the Jazz, Rock and Afro Beat world!
I will always be a Ginger Baker fan.
Hi Rador. I think it's a common mistake for young people to want to become a "jazz drummer", or "rock drummer"! A drummer should be a musician and therefore he should listen to as many different kinds of music as possible. One day I shared a practicing room wit a guitarist who played in a "grunge rock" band, and was amazed to see him playing transcriped paganini violin patitures on the guitar. A real musician uses the experiences of many different kinds of music! Categorisation is limitation!
thats why ginger baker it's more than a rock drummer it's another category from other drummers of that time ...inspirational
a good drummer can feel and play jazz/ rock whatever only difference is the set up of the kit
@@Bob-nu3xe Even the setup can remain the same. It's all about the feel. It takes experience to swing.
there is room enough for everyone in music
Art was just a force of nature, even though he was getting up there in years at the time of this video. I could always tell when it was Art whenever I heard that hi-hat. Too bad there's no video of the duo Baker did with Elvin Jones.
You'll find some coverage of Elvin and Ginger's more publicized friendly duel in the astonishingly good "Beware of Mr.Baker "
@@parallaxcontinuum7898 - It was videoed, but never released, apart from the clip on 'Beware of Mr. Baker', but you can get it on audio CD (I have it...)
@@SAHBfanthe SAHB were SERIOUSLY unlucky and underrated, long live the spirit of Alex Harvey!!!
@@georgefromgreece4119 Hail Vibrania!
Awesome musicians in an awesome video. Thank u very much.👍
The ultimate drumming showoff...with two awesome drummers! Jazz drummer ART BLAKEY,and rock drummer GINGER BAKER (though,he too,dabbled in jazz,before and after,CREAM!). This is like a rare treat for music aficionados,everywhere!
Don't call ginger a "rock" drummer. He'll probably punch you for it. He calls himself a jazz drummer.
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>*"What Jazz where are the albums what albums"*
Ginger Baker's Jazz and Afro albums:
Live! Fela Ransome-Kuti and The Africa'70 with Ginger Baker (1970 Afrobeat)
Stratavarious Polydor (1972 Afro Jazz)
From Humble Oranges CDG (1983 Afro Jazz)
Horses & Trees Celluloid (1986 Afro Jazz)
No Material live album ITM (1987 Afro Jazz)
Middle Passage Axiom (1990 Afro Jazz)
Unseen Rain with Jens Johansson and Jonas Hellborg, Day Eight (1992 Jazz)
Going Back Home Atlantic (1994 Jazz)
Falling off the roof Atlantic (1995 Jazz)
Ginger Baker's Energy ITM (1995 Jazz)
Coward of the County Atlantic (1999 Jazz)
African Force ITM (2001 African)
African Force: Palanquin's Pole Synergie (2006 African)
Why! (Jazz 2014)
These are the ones AFTER Cream... he was on several before Cream which could be described as Jazz-Rock (Graham Bond's Organization) and Jazz (Don Rendell). There are at least 20 other albums which are mostly in the 'Rock' category, but some of the compilation albums have Jazz tracks on them.
+SAHBfan thank u. Wen I read Wat albums I thought aaaarrrgghh does this guy even no wat he saying. Thanks
You can really hear the African influence with Ginger. Art Blakey is so tech it's insane. The difference between both players and their styles is incredible. I wonder what Blakey thought of Ginger's playing...
@@robertleggett1557 Blakey was heavily influenced by African drumming during the time he spent in Africa.
Better than the Rich/Krupa drum battle record which was the pinnacle of drum battles until I saw this! Smashing vid! Thanks!
Martin Tabellija Jr Smashing! Yeah Baby, do I make u randy?
You have to bear in mind that Ginger might've been higher than heaven. Listen to Cream's "Born Under a Bad Sign" for some complex drumming inside a straight blues song.
Just an update : Art was fully competent in many, many drum:’/ percussion techniques - appreciated why Ginger (Pete) was in awe of him.
Sheer style accompanied all the years of hard work, practice that went into the mix.
My brother was an excellent drummer, gifted from infant years on - so I’ve insight into ‘practice time’
Love this video & Ginger facially expressing his love & respect of Art, the man.
God , look after them
Jane Russell
Mitch had a special situation called; Hendrix, he had to play creatively, and his skills was tap to the max. Ex. "third stone from the sun"
I will never forget that summer of 1983 in Madrid when I had the Luck to meet and befriend the very Great Peter Edward Baker.
like how Art has a look like "yeah sup, Ginger,you do your thing... I don't care I am going to be over here just doing my thing"..all with a smoke in the mouth
tweevers2 that's what you said.,not them
um yeah! duh
The first three times I watched this video I would burst out laughing at Art's "If looks could kill" stare.
Absolutely awesome drumming by two of the greats.
These men crush each other
One of my favorite drumming films to watch because they both add their own character and never try to out do each other.
Rest easy Ginger 💜
This brought tears to my eyes!!!
Ginger is actually playing the more complicated stuff. His four limb independence is unbelievable
He may hit more notes, but there's no real sense of dynamics. He's just slamming every note as possible. Jazz drumming requires way more finesse and attention to detail.
Ginger did have some amazing skills but Art Blakey's forte was expressiveness. Asked to describe Art Blakey's style Tony Williams said "he'll groove you to death." Blakey was never known as the top technician in jazz drumming but many thought him the most hypnotizing. The top technician would have been Buddy Rich, probably.
buddy rich is very meh....steve gadd is creme de la creme and max roach !!!!
samtotheg Steve Gadd?? They guy's a studio hack. Max Roach was great but Max would probably agree that Buddy was the best ever, technically.
rich did that big band crap over a song with parker and it sounded off ..he doesnt have the feel gadd and roach have...I could give a damn what max says..buddy fastest rudimental soloist ever not best drummer in my eyes not even close!!!
People always seem to regard Ginger as arrogant, but the humility and admiration he shows for his drumming heroes seems to refute that.
It must have been frustrating as hell for Ginger to constantly hear himself be compared to the rock drummers of his time when there was no comparison. Perhaps frustrating enough to justify some well-earned boasting!
Overplaying is a very subjective thing. I love the looseness of drummers like Mitch Mitchell and Sabbath's Bill Ward, but I also love the understated restraint of Charlie Watts and Zigaboo Modeliste.
Deux des plus grands batteurs de l'histoire. Tout simplement. 🎼🍻🎶🇫🇷
it really looked like they were having fun at the end
For both of them doing extremely fast combination polyrhythms and crossovers, everything was done with precision and nobody messed up!
Got a big bang out of this Thank you to two masters!
awesome .... two warriors going at it
Joe Dambra i
Brought a tear, simply beautiful. Thank you for sharing.
I'm with Philtones. Why is there any judging here? Why bring up the name of another drummer? It only opens the door to drop a dozen names of world-class drummers, all with a tremendous style of their own. I think Ginger and Art played off each other and it made both of them better. If I had to choose, I'd pick Ginger's playing in the early 1990's. He had matured a lot; he seemed happier and the music he was playing (IMHO) had more substance. As for Art, his discography speaks for itself.
To think that Art's first instrument was the piano --- and he transitioned to being such an amazing student and performer on drums is a great story of artistic versatility and accomplishment. According to Art (in a 1982 interview I recorded with him at the Winter Park Jazz Festival in Colorado) his first live performance as a drummer was pure baptism by fire. At a club in his hometown of Pittsburgh one evening, early on in his career, he was unseated at the piano when Earoll Garner walked onto the bandstand --- and the band leader told Art to go sit behind the trap set. After an exchange of a few unpleasant words, that's what Art wound up doing. And that's where he stayed for the rest of his career. The piano experience no doubt helped him later as a band leader.
Was it the band leader or the club owner that told him to play the drums? I think I always heard it was the club owner, who was a stone cold gangster packing heat and that influenced Art's decision.
@@bholaoates1542 I stand corrected. It WAS the club owner. He was in Art's face about his reluctance to give up the piano chair. Aren't we glad he decided to go and sit behind the trap set, instead of walking out of the club that night?
Great drum fun. These two are masters at their craft. Both have chops I have put into my playing. I am constantly morphing from the influence of others. Thanks for the fantastic blast from the past!
Art fucking MONSTER Blakey.
So many, many thanks for sharing this. Two truly great drummers.
At first it seems like a staring contest... But then they mesh together really well. It would have been interesting to see Bill Ward and Blakey together
A strange combination, however Bill Ward and Art Blakey are two of the ones in my very short list of really favorite drummers. Ginger is not on that list!
That would be cool.
Fred bear I'm not so sure about that but hey who knows. It could have been the new rock/jazz ish type thing that everybody doing today.
It really does seem like they’re more playing together than competing. I’d love to see drummers do this today…
Big fan of both of these guys.. I was sweating just watching these two masters pour themselves into this!
amazing...different styles...will finish watching when I have more time
We need more of this . Intergenerational and Inter - genre - ational .
Jazz drummers don't necessarily come from an academic place traditionally, and Art Blakey does not, but a lot of them do today. Ginger's quote is something he learned from admiring jazz drummers like Art Blakey.
Thanks for sharing ! Greetings and Blessings, Michael
Two damn mean drummers !
Thanks so much for this...I have been honored to be alive at the same time these two cats were creating great music..
I hate ginger as a person, but I love him as a drummer. He plays with such anger and passion I love it
@Gelenn lol then you're a fan without looking to the life of the man in short you're a fake fan dude
@Gelenn AHAHAHAHA YOU KNOW WHAT'S FUNNY? I'M A BONHAM FAN AND YOU'RE GINGER... WE WON'T GET ALONG AHAHAHAHAHA
How can you hate someone you don't know and have never spent time with?
Art's hands are so fluid. Ginger played well. Drum music for the ages.
Each to his own...
Really enjoyed this....thanks for posting.
Art Blakey is much more dynamic, employs variety in percussion nuances, more dynamics in his executions. Art Blakey is much more inventive .Also allot cleaner in his execution. I was Lucky to see Art Blakey before he left us into Percussion Heaven.
The BEST drummers always have smaller drum kits...no need for show and smoke and gimmicks...
I got tears in my eyes
And my hearts in my gut My Grandfather was a jazz drummer and he loved Baker and Blakey and Was friends with Krupa
Never judge a musician by their gear.
@Simon Phillips shut up fucktard!!!
@Simon Phillips you shouldn't talk about something you know nothing about. These people know what they are talking about. And you can't compare a piano with a drum kit, you just showed its best to shut up when you don't know what you're talking about.
@@kimberlyhardin8034, he reminds me of that saying "wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something" - Plato.
Just glad somebody got it on tape
Yeah Ginger your one of the greatest... But Art Blakey!!!!! Great Share Hillroad :)
14.28 Magical and Inspiring Minutes from two of The Greats of Our Time - Thanks Guys and you both came out 'On Top'! - That's Har-mon-eeeeee!! 'Enjoyed this greatly....
Ginger Baker is the only known drummer to have done 17th prime toccata. NOONE HAS DONE THAT - although Carl Palmer has an unofficial vid of himself doing that
XMIR10C Do you mean playing in a time signature that is say 17/8 or 17/4? Also, what are you referring to when you say toccata?
What is that?
+DumpedClutch Well, I have no idea what XMIR10C is referring to when he says 17th prime toccata. I assume he means that it is difficult technical piece (toccata) in which there are 17 (a prime number) beats per measure with the quarter (4) or eighth note (8) counting as one beat as opposed to the typical 4/4 time signature in pop music.
I've noticed XMIR10C has been posting this on other videos, but I don't know of any drummer that uses those terms. I could be missing something though. If that is what he means, Bill Bruford when he was with King Crimson in the 80's played the song discipline in 17/16 so not just Ginger and Carl Palmer can do it.
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well done - Palmer never did do it , I see no evidence of that. PS - \I'm a drummer and have a PHD in Pure Math.
simply great !
Ginger was without a doubt so incredible as a stickman. i always lover Art. This is a no brainer. thank you.
Who do you prefer
Ginger spoke often of Art Blakey....he was a huge inspiration to him. It's not who is better, both are unique and brilliant drummers of their time