And that bar wasnt reached by many even until now. 🤘👹❤ Totally agree. Its kinda sad to see.. Im 26 and without my father bringing that music near to my heart and soul as a kid i would be lost these days. Especially after the loss of one of the only modern musicians i truly loved, Mac Miller 🙏❤
Ginger idolized Art. This was probably the moment of a lifetime for Ginger. I love the way they interpreted each others statements and answered in kind. There is some real heavy communication going on here. Too many drummers work on having great hands which is important but great hands means nothing without great ears. I love both of these guys so the "winner" here is me and anyone else who gets to listen to this...
Both Art and Ginger had a great respect for each other's talent. Ginger admired art tremendously, great show.those of us who enjoyed this video are the real winner's!
according to ginger they never met before this... could you fucking imagine playing in front of one of your heros? Not only that but actually keeping up with them and eventually playing WITH him and only him as well as gaining their respect? Gets me emotional seeing pure heaven on gingers face there at the end, you can tell he's having one of the most important moments in his life.
Your comment is so yummy I could sprinkle some powdered GINGER on it, give it a nice finishing touch like a fine work of ART and just gobble it down 😂😂😂
That was outstanding, Art looked like he was giving no quarter there during the trade-offs, but you could see their mutual respect for one another during the end of film drum duet.
These two virtuous drummers were masters and an apprentices of each others even though Ginger was heavily influenced by Art but man i can tell Art is very “swung” by Ginger’s feel and his orchestral playing as well as his jazz chops! Geniuses at drums and both are so incredibly humble of each other’s gifts Love this treasure of a film!
Art seemed impressed with Ginger's independence. Ginger seemed impressed with Art's power. It's a little like each of them wanted to show the other the aspects of their playing that would prove the could truck in the other's circle. Very cool to see.
I never realized just how good Baker was until I saw Beware of Baker. I knew he was good in Cream and very innovative, but then to see him battle against the jazz giants just blew me away.
you are , largely correct. But when the 'match" taping was over, the press wanted Ginger & Elvin to embrace for a promo shot..Ginger said ok , but Elvin said " just don't make it look TOO friendly "@@aleleeinnaleleeinn9110
There's footage of Ginger Baker in tears telling how much it meant to him to be recognized by those legendary jazz drummers as being one of their own. That meant so much more to him that anything else. You can see it here, the way Art nods at him going "Oh yeah, this boy KNOWS his shit!"
Too many comments to read through, but I love that just two minutes in, and you can see how much these guys are watching and *listening* to each other.
Wow! Wow! Wow! Two super drummers playing together. Playing magnificently, marvelous, with talent, style and rhythm. We just can't get it better. I really enjoy it. Some comments are funny, they miss the point.
For those of you who like to criticize one way or the other, look at interviews with Ginger Baker--speaking as an old man, he remembers these so-called "drum battles" with obvious emotion--he makes clear his deep respect for the great drummers that participated in these events with him, and cites these men's influence and friendship as an important part of his life. All this from a man known for his, shall we say, irascibility. UA-cam viewers may not be able to learn drumming from Ginger, but we could learn something from his open-minded, big-hearted attitude in this respect (obviously not in certain other aspects of his life, in which he would clearly not be much of a role model!)
I'm not a huge Ginger Baker fan, but you have to credit him for showing up. All these drum battles are Ginger vs Legend X. Give it up to the guy who met the challenge.
Palmer has a big mouth too, and I've seen him perform live, 2 1/2 hours worth from a distance of 25ft. He's very, very good, but Baker is my favorite hands down.
dude when i heard this on a night in tunisia i lost my mind edit: im trying to learn a night in tunisia on drums and i wanna learn that part. but holy shit.. its actually extremely difficult
I used to think Baker's solos where a bit straight, caveman-like. Now I think he is trying to replicate African styles. From this point of view I think his solos make more sense. Art is soo good here. It appears to me that he is going off his comfort zone to match Ginger's style and this results in something quite special
And ,ironically enough, that more organic element/ "African "village to village" is what seperates Baker from the rock herd .But Ginger utilized orthodox, military ,precise stick work which many of his idols, or contemporaries is more known for..he could do it all-whatever the musical context /cue from what was going on around him.
I remember hearing about this drum battle...cause im so damn old....but this is the first time that I ever watched it ..very cool...Ginger sounded much better than I originally thought...Art is certainly one of my all time favorite Jazz drummers... R Tullius...KJT
Inconsistent recording quality but a timeless one, so we do have this for posterity! They both have a great sense of humor in their exchanges that adds such a good feel.
Just an update : Art was fully competent in many, many drum:’/ percussion techniques - appreciated why Ginger (Pete) was in awe of him. Sheer style accompanied all the years of hard work, practice that went into the mix. My brother was an excellent drummer, gifted from infant years on - so I’ve insight into ‘practice time’ Love this video & Ginger facially expressing his love & respect of Art, the man. God , look after them Jane Russell
If you realy want to know what makes Ginger so versatile and outstanding, particular if you are a drummer yourself watch his: MASTER DRUM TECHNIQUE! It's published in 3 parts on UA-cam. And even if you are not a drummer this will turn you on! But if you are, your view of your instrument will change. It's a total eye opener! Ginger takes european rudiments, then puts them into african timings and plays them over the whole kit. He's like a one man percussion ensemble!
Jesus guys. Can't we express our opinions without the name calling? Everybody is not going to agree. We all rank drummers by their style, technique, musicality, type of music , showmanship and our individual standards. Even our favorites don't always give outstanding performances. We are all drummers or at least appreciate drumming. Let's keep it civil.
I just adore replaying : rhythmically fantastic, but also, just to what little shots in this footage of ‘Ginger’ looking across at Art Blakey, with sheering adoration, as a much respected fan - Ark B was a drumming and proficient percussions - 1 of ‘Gingers’ 3 bestest in the world of music. Love it, love it! Listen to Art’s meticulous time changes - that’s all about practice, practice, practice; from novice to drum aficionado. Love, JaneR
I think Art's not used to being challenged. I think he's used to being top dog in the world he lives in and I think Ginger really gave him a run for his money. I've got all the Jazz Messenger cd's and I've never heard Art play better than here.
Disagree… but I respect the opinion. Ginger baker was a fantastic drummer. And got better the longer he was playing. But art Blakey was on a different level of drumming
The ultimate drumming showoff...with two awesome drummers! Jazz drummer ART BLAKEY,and rock drummer GINGER BAKER (though,he too,dabbled in jazz,before and after,CREAM!). This is like a rare treat for music aficionados,everywhere!
***** >*"What Jazz where are the albums what albums"* Ginger Baker's Jazz and Afro albums: Live! Fela Ransome-Kuti and The Africa'70 with Ginger Baker (1970 Afrobeat) Stratavarious Polydor (1972 Afro Jazz) From Humble Oranges CDG (1983 Afro Jazz) Horses & Trees Celluloid (1986 Afro Jazz) No Material live album ITM (1987 Afro Jazz) Middle Passage Axiom (1990 Afro Jazz) Unseen Rain with Jens Johansson and Jonas Hellborg, Day Eight (1992 Jazz) Going Back Home Atlantic (1994 Jazz) Falling off the roof Atlantic (1995 Jazz) Ginger Baker's Energy ITM (1995 Jazz) Coward of the County Atlantic (1999 Jazz) African Force ITM (2001 African) African Force: Palanquin's Pole Synergie (2006 African) Why! (Jazz 2014) These are the ones AFTER Cream... he was on several before Cream which could be described as Jazz-Rock (Graham Bond's Organization) and Jazz (Don Rendell). There are at least 20 other albums which are mostly in the 'Rock' category, but some of the compilation albums have Jazz tracks on them.
You can really hear the African influence with Ginger. Art Blakey is so tech it's insane. The difference between both players and their styles is incredible. I wonder what Blakey thought of Ginger's playing...
Hi Rador. I think it's a common mistake for young people to want to become a "jazz drummer", or "rock drummer"! A drummer should be a musician and therefore he should listen to as many different kinds of music as possible. One day I shared a practicing room wit a guitarist who played in a "grunge rock" band, and was amazed to see him playing transcriped paganini violin patitures on the guitar. A real musician uses the experiences of many different kinds of music! Categorisation is limitation!
Was this even for real! My mind can't grasp this watching it in 2022? The steep decline in musicianship we have witnessed in the last years is just mind-boggling! ART and his MESSENGERS along with especially GINGER's work with FELA is for me nearly the epitome of what we as humans achieved in music. Today's "music" is a far cry from what I would...call music!
@hillroad - dude I think this might be the greatest accumulation of music ever THANK YOU THANK YOU. From slug christ in a blakey drum solo. Dude are in my soul my right now?
Great drum fun. These two are masters at their craft. Both have chops I have put into my playing. I am constantly morphing from the influence of others. Thanks for the fantastic blast from the past!
Read Ginger's book "Hellraiser"! I also read an article in a german drummers magazine, many years ago, where Art commented on Ginger's great playing and his friendship with him. Unfortunately after moving houses 5 times, I haven't got that one anymore. You realy should understand that Ginger has played Jazz, Rock, Worldmusic throughout his life, and at the moment has a band called Jazz Confusion! He is a multi talent and is highly regarded in the Jazz, Rock and Afro Beat world!
Art was just a force of nature, even though he was getting up there in years at the time of this video. I could always tell when it was Art whenever I heard that hi-hat. Too bad there's no video of the duo Baker did with Elvin Jones.
@@parallaxcontinuum7898 - It was videoed, but never released, apart from the clip on 'Beware of Mr. Baker', but you can get it on audio CD (I have it...)
Single bass drum jazz kit on the left (Art Blakey) Double bass drum rock kit on the right (Ginger Baker) Outstanding performance ! Thanks for sharing !
Answer no2: None of these guys "brought Ginger up". They all knew about him. His Solos "Do what you like" and "Toad" had made him known all over the drummers world! He had made history by re-defining drumming. He is one of the few drummers who is constantly playing with all 4 limbs, using hi-hi hat as a time keeper, and thus has an immaculate timing. Over that he plays patterns adopted from the african talking drums, so he combines ancient thousand years old drumming with modern Jazz and Rock!
14.28 Magical and Inspiring Minutes from two of The Greats of Our Time - Thanks Guys and you both came out 'On Top'! - That's Har-mon-eeeeee!! 'Enjoyed this greatly....
I have been an Art Blakey fan for a long time. All though I have been a Rock fan most of my life I never really listened to Ginger Baker much. Art probably thought he was going to school Ginger and did not! Ginger definitely held his own and I thought at times even bettered Art. Remember I am a Blakey fan and this is the first time I have heard Ginger play like this or this video. I have new found respect for Ginger now. It took me long enough!
It must have been frustrating as hell for Ginger to constantly hear himself be compared to the rock drummers of his time when there was no comparison. Perhaps frustrating enough to justify some well-earned boasting!
like how Art has a look like "yeah sup, Ginger,you do your thing... I don't care I am going to be over here just doing my thing"..all with a smoke in the mouth
Now I understand why Ginger really didn't think much of John Bonham. Never really had heard Ginger play other than with Cream. Pretty impressive. Neil Peart and Ginger Baker would have been fun to watch together also.
My father is a good jazz drummer.Big fan of Elvin Jones and Art Blake.He considers Bonham a great drummer.He was impressed with Bonzo's playing on Houses of the Holy album.Now as a role model....
John Bonham was the better drummer and there's no question about it. How many drummer polls Has Ginger outranked Bonzo in ?. Bonham had a lot of respect for Ginger Baker and I believe cited him as an influence somewhere. Baker wad known to have been an irascible and cantankerous individual. About that Bonzo couldn't 'swing a bag of shit' or something like that remark..we don't know what the context was exactly for that comment (maybe you do). I wouldn't give it too much credibility. Bonham had Ginger in almost all categories except for maybe what he did up top on the cymbals; Ginger was better at that possibly. John made comments that he wasn't much for cymbals and preferred the sound of drums... Who knows but all you need to do really is look at the body of work and John come back John comes out way ahead.
@@JoeSmith-ev2bg As if popularity polls were a criterion for excellence. In the end, it's not who's "best," there is no "best," there's only who you like.
You have to bear in mind that Ginger might've been higher than heaven. Listen to Cream's "Born Under a Bad Sign" for some complex drumming inside a straight blues song.
Ginger would never allow anyone to call this a drum battle, he always said it was a drum duet, as he admired Art tremendously. Great show by both!!!
Ginger himself called it a battle on a Facebook post back in 2012 in a comment where he tried to diminish John Bonham.
@@ChrisLawton66 duet! Grow up! He admired Art
@@eddierivera1860 I don't think 'battle' implies beef, when it's two people who respect each other. It's a duet and a battle
I completely agree 👍
@@eddierivera1860 as he should have. Art was the original
I hope this never gets lost. Young people need to be about these guys. These are the drummers who set the bar.
I’m a younger guy who’s all about this stuff I agree 💯
And that bar wasnt reached by many even until now. 🤘👹❤
Totally agree. Its kinda sad to see..
Im 26 and without my father bringing that music near to my heart and soul as a kid i would be lost these days.
Especially after the loss of one of the only modern musicians i truly loved, Mac Miller 🙏❤
18 and have listened to every cream song. this will never die dont worry
@@albertmerlew Thanks 😊
@@albertmerlew If you haven't seen Beware of Mr Baker, I highly recommend it. It's on UA-cam, but you probably know that.
This was probably one of the greatest experiences of Ginger's life. Playing alongside one of his idols.
Ginger idolized Art. This was probably the moment of a lifetime for Ginger. I love the way they interpreted each others statements and answered in kind. There is some real heavy communication going on here. Too many drummers work on having great hands which is important but great hands means nothing without great ears. I love both of these guys so the "winner" here is me and anyone else who gets to listen to this...
tony giovingo well said!
AMEN! So well put and the true point of this is so we can enjoy it!
tony giovingo Truth
Right on right on right on
@Kapālin what does does truck mean? Just curious I'm not currant with internet slang.
Good Lord. Two legends. Art Blakey and Ginger Baker. Amazing.
There's something timeless about this duet - excuse the pun.
Ginger Baker died yesterday.
It's a nice way to remember him, in his element.
Ginger Baker caught smiling is a rare moment glad it was called on this tape r i p Ginger
Both Art and Ginger had a great respect for each other's talent. Ginger admired art tremendously, great show.those of us who enjoyed this video are the real winner's!
according to ginger they never met before this... could you fucking imagine playing in front of one of your heros? Not only that but actually keeping up with them and eventually playing WITH him and only him as well as gaining their respect? Gets me emotional seeing pure heaven on gingers face there at the end, you can tell he's having one of the most important moments in his life.
Wonderful comment.
Your comment is so yummy I could sprinkle some powdered GINGER on it, give it a nice finishing touch like a fine work of ART and just gobble it down 😂😂😂
Being the son of a pro musician I always found it cool when musicians from other genres showed each other mutual respect and admiration.
They were not from different genres
Gingers always been a Jazz Drummer
That was outstanding, Art looked like he was giving no quarter there during the trade-offs, but you could see their mutual respect for one another during the end of film drum duet.
This is beautiful! Both colorful and colorless all at once. I wish our young people would allow music to unite them again.
These two virtuous drummers were masters and an apprentices of each others even though Ginger was heavily influenced by Art but man i can tell Art is very “swung” by Ginger’s feel and his orchestral playing as well as his jazz chops! Geniuses at drums and both are so incredibly humble of each other’s gifts
Love this treasure of a film!
Art seemed impressed with Ginger's independence. Ginger seemed impressed with Art's power. It's a little like each of them wanted to show the other the aspects of their playing that would prove the could truck in the other's circle. Very cool to see.
Excellent comment at least that's my read too.
I have chills watching this. What an amazing moment in time. So grateful that this is even captured. Epic.
I never realized just how good Baker was until I saw Beware of Baker. I knew he was good in Cream and very innovative, but then to see him battle against the jazz giants just blew me away.
I don't think "Battle Against" is the right phrase. It was very much cooperation and communication.
@@aleleeinnaleleeinn9110 Not in Blakey's class. Come on now. 5:30+...
i never knew of jazz drumming before ginger baker. when i saw the documentary i started looking these guys up and fell in love with it
you are , largely correct. But when the 'match" taping was over, the press wanted Ginger & Elvin to embrace for a promo shot..Ginger said ok , but Elvin said " just don't make it look TOO friendly "@@aleleeinnaleleeinn9110
@@albertmerlewThe jazz drummers are the more polished and rhythmic
Art & Ginger are two of the best. What stands out to me most, is the love and respect that they have for one another.
Amazing to see this. Two giants of the drum world playing side by side!
Two of the finest soul brothers. Thx so much for sharing.
Ginger Baker at the absolute peak of his frenetic awesomeness, and Art Blakey masterful as always
There's footage of Ginger Baker in tears telling how much it meant to him to be recognized by those legendary jazz drummers as being one of their own. That meant so much more to him that anything else.
You can see it here, the way Art nods at him going "Oh yeah, this boy KNOWS his shit!"
Too many comments to read through, but I love that just two minutes in, and you can see how much these guys are watching and *listening* to each other.
Wow! Wow! Wow! Two super drummers playing together. Playing magnificently, marvelous, with talent, style and rhythm. We just can't get it better. I really enjoy it. Some comments are funny, they miss the point.
For those of you who like to criticize one way or the other, look at interviews with Ginger Baker--speaking as an old man, he remembers these so-called "drum battles" with obvious emotion--he makes clear his deep respect for the great drummers that participated in these events with him, and cites these men's influence and friendship as an important part of his life. All this from a man known for his, shall we say, irascibility. UA-cam viewers may not be able to learn drumming from Ginger, but we could learn something from his open-minded, big-hearted attitude in this respect (obviously not in certain other aspects of his life, in which he would clearly not be much of a role model!)
No-one can perform prime number 17 toccata except ginger. That makes hIm the best. Carl palmer attempted it in TANK
I'm not a huge Ginger Baker fan, but you have to credit him for showing up. All these drum battles are Ginger vs Legend X. Give it up to the guy who met the challenge.
Palmer has a big mouth too, and I've seen him perform live, 2 1/2 hours worth from a distance of 25ft. He's very, very good, but Baker is my favorite hands down.
The look in Ginger's eyes near the end of this says everything you could say about him as a musician
Why can't people just watch this and enjoy it? Who cares who is better than who. FTW
philtones because Ginger challenged Art?
+pdromero09 who he admired and was an honour to do so. Imagine being able to call ur hero out and get down and jam with the cat. Kool as fuk
philtones in the end they show they were jamming...and mutual respect
philtones can yb
Agree! Music is not about competition but about communication.
At 9:50, Blakey breaks into an afro-cuban type rhythm. It doesn't look spectacular but what he is playing there is really hard to do, and he kills it.
As a guy learning to play the drums that part blew my mind. And he just did that for fun
dude when i heard this on a night in tunisia i lost my mind
edit: im trying to learn a night in tunisia on drums and i wanna learn that part. but holy shit.. its actually extremely difficult
then he switches to his legendary double time mambo. i love this guy
I used to think Baker's solos where a bit straight, caveman-like. Now I think he is trying to replicate African styles. From this point of view I think his solos make more sense.
Art is soo good here. It appears to me that he is going off his comfort zone to match Ginger's style and this results in something quite special
It is certainly the best solo I've seen Art do - he really pulled all the stops out!
And ,ironically enough, that more organic element/ "African "village to village" is what seperates Baker from the rock herd .But Ginger utilized orthodox, military ,precise stick work which many of his idols, or contemporaries is more known for..he could do it all-whatever the musical context /cue from what was going on around him.
Ginger learned a lot of that from Phil Seamon, then expanded it when he lived in Africa.
nice to see them hug at the end..marvelous stuff...both did well !
It's nice to know that out of the six-billion people on this planet Ginger found two people to look up to - himself and Art Blakey. :-)
7 billion
Ginger looked up to all the great players. Elvin, Philly Joe, Art Blakley, Krupa, Rich, all of them. He didn't suffer fools gladly.
Lol
Eight billion
Mutual respect .... something rare these days, in music as in life.
You really see the LOVE and RESPECT at the end of this.
Can't say that about many drum battles.
Almighty drum gods, thank you for sharing this!
RIP Ginger Baker - Cream ..... Blind Faith .. Air Force ... this drum-off .. he set the bar for drummers rather high
@King Brilliant ✊🏾
@King Brilliant what a fascist you are
Awesome musicians in an awesome video. Thank u very much.👍
this is what makes YOU TUBE so great!!!!!!!!2 outstanding drummers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When 2 super great drummers have a drum battle, it becomes 2 great drummers playing together, super great solos on both men 2 super great drummers
Two of the greatest drummers who ever lived, whose audiences never realized the brilliance and complexity of their polyrhythms.
You have to recognize the complexity of their polyrhythms, you just have to listen and enjoy.
I was pulling for Ginger, Art having so much experience on him. I loved the climax. Wonderful.
I remember hearing about this drum battle...cause im so damn old....but this is the first time that I ever watched it ..very cool...Ginger sounded much better than I originally thought...Art is certainly one of my all time favorite Jazz drummers... R Tullius...KJT
I never seen Big Red look so happy before lol.
Then again playing with idol will do that to a person
Inconsistent recording quality but a timeless one, so we do have this for posterity! They both have a great sense of humor in their exchanges that adds such a good feel.
Just an update : Art was fully competent in many, many drum:’/ percussion techniques - appreciated why Ginger (Pete) was in awe of him.
Sheer style accompanied all the years of hard work, practice that went into the mix.
My brother was an excellent drummer, gifted from infant years on - so I’ve insight into ‘practice time’
Love this video & Ginger facially expressing his love & respect of Art, the man.
God , look after them
Jane Russell
I think I burned about 1,000 calories, or so, just _watching_ this.
Hahaha!
Truly inspirational - a lot of hard work & training. Beautiful. I’m in awe. Thanks JaneR
Meeting of the GOAT'S...
If you realy want to know what makes Ginger so versatile and outstanding, particular if you are a drummer yourself watch his: MASTER DRUM TECHNIQUE! It's published in 3 parts on UA-cam. And even if you are not a drummer this will turn you on! But if you are, your view of your instrument will change. It's a total eye opener! Ginger takes european rudiments, then puts them into african timings and plays them over the whole kit. He's like a one man percussion ensemble!
You can slightly tell how the fabric of space time was on the verge of collapsing when these two were playing together
Ginger searches for the wings' beat. Art is certain in execution. Both magnificent
Sad loss Ginger Baker , fantastic drum battle by two great drummers.Wears me out watching em phew!
Better than the Rich/Krupa drum battle record which was the pinnacle of drum battles until I saw this! Smashing vid! Thanks!
Martin Tabellija Jr Smashing! Yeah Baby, do I make u randy?
Two great drummers at the the top of their game , RIP Art
these are the 2 most influentual musician to me ever, i wish there was a better quality version of it
That's Art's usual expression - they became friends, and Art respected Ginger's Drumming.
Jesus guys. Can't we express our opinions without the name calling? Everybody is not going to agree. We all rank drummers by their style, technique, musicality, type of music , showmanship and our individual standards. Even our favorites don't always give outstanding performances. We are all drummers or at least appreciate drumming. Let's keep it civil.
Right!
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That was a cool video. They both kicked ass!!! Thanks to whoever posted this video.
Kicked ass?? That's funny, I didn't see any donkeys in the video.
I just adore replaying : rhythmically fantastic, but also, just to what little shots in this footage of ‘Ginger’ looking across at Art Blakey, with sheering adoration, as a much respected fan - Ark B was a drumming and proficient percussions - 1 of ‘Gingers’ 3 bestest in the world of music. Love it, love it! Listen to Art’s meticulous time changes - that’s all about practice, practice, practice; from novice to drum aficionado.
Love, JaneR
Absolutely awesome drumming by two of the greats.
This is very very cool…thank you SO MUCH…peace from Vancouver Island
I think Art's not used to being challenged. I think he's used to being top dog in the world he lives in and I think Ginger really gave him a run for his money. I've got all the Jazz Messenger cd's and I've never heard Art play better than here.
that's what life is all about, being pushed so ur best shines thru. They are both amazing
Disagree… but I respect the opinion. Ginger baker was a fantastic drummer. And got better the longer he was playing. But art Blakey was on a different level of drumming
Brought a tear, simply beautiful. Thank you for sharing.
R.I.P Ginger Baker.
I've waited 40 years to see this!
Heaven.
Blakey certainly had to respond, but did so handily, his art is so much finer. But I Love Ginger Baker's spirit. He's a great sport.
Man Ginger had some speed in his heyday, no pun intended
6:46 - Ginger starts playing the cowbell - shit just got real.
Thanks so much for this...I have been honored to be alive at the same time these two cats were creating great music..
As in so many musical "Who's Better" 's ...I see only two versions of magnificence.
Dam right 💪🤛🦶🦶🦶🦶🦶
Raw expression. Incredible footage.
The ultimate drumming showoff...with two awesome drummers! Jazz drummer ART BLAKEY,and rock drummer GINGER BAKER (though,he too,dabbled in jazz,before and after,CREAM!). This is like a rare treat for music aficionados,everywhere!
Don't call ginger a "rock" drummer. He'll probably punch you for it. He calls himself a jazz drummer.
*****
>*"What Jazz where are the albums what albums"*
Ginger Baker's Jazz and Afro albums:
Live! Fela Ransome-Kuti and The Africa'70 with Ginger Baker (1970 Afrobeat)
Stratavarious Polydor (1972 Afro Jazz)
From Humble Oranges CDG (1983 Afro Jazz)
Horses & Trees Celluloid (1986 Afro Jazz)
No Material live album ITM (1987 Afro Jazz)
Middle Passage Axiom (1990 Afro Jazz)
Unseen Rain with Jens Johansson and Jonas Hellborg, Day Eight (1992 Jazz)
Going Back Home Atlantic (1994 Jazz)
Falling off the roof Atlantic (1995 Jazz)
Ginger Baker's Energy ITM (1995 Jazz)
Coward of the County Atlantic (1999 Jazz)
African Force ITM (2001 African)
African Force: Palanquin's Pole Synergie (2006 African)
Why! (Jazz 2014)
These are the ones AFTER Cream... he was on several before Cream which could be described as Jazz-Rock (Graham Bond's Organization) and Jazz (Don Rendell). There are at least 20 other albums which are mostly in the 'Rock' category, but some of the compilation albums have Jazz tracks on them.
+SAHBfan thank u. Wen I read Wat albums I thought aaaarrrgghh does this guy even no wat he saying. Thanks
You can really hear the African influence with Ginger. Art Blakey is so tech it's insane. The difference between both players and their styles is incredible. I wonder what Blakey thought of Ginger's playing...
@@robertleggett1557 Blakey was heavily influenced by African drumming during the time he spent in Africa.
So many, many thanks for sharing this. Two truly great drummers.
Hi Rador. I think it's a common mistake for young people to want to become a "jazz drummer", or "rock drummer"! A drummer should be a musician and therefore he should listen to as many different kinds of music as possible. One day I shared a practicing room wit a guitarist who played in a "grunge rock" band, and was amazed to see him playing transcriped paganini violin patitures on the guitar. A real musician uses the experiences of many different kinds of music! Categorisation is limitation!
thats why ginger baker it's more than a rock drummer it's another category from other drummers of that time ...inspirational
a good drummer can feel and play jazz/ rock whatever only difference is the set up of the kit
@@Bob-nu3xe Even the setup can remain the same. It's all about the feel. It takes experience to swing.
Was this even for real! My mind can't grasp this watching it in 2022? The steep decline in musicianship we have witnessed in the last years is just mind-boggling!
ART and his MESSENGERS along with especially GINGER's work with FELA is for me nearly the epitome of what we as humans achieved in music.
Today's "music" is a far cry from what I would...call music!
Gingers idols Max Roach, Elvin Jones, Art Blakey and Phil Seaman enough said...
Pretty much
I will never forget that summer of 1983 in Madrid when I had the Luck to meet and befriend the very Great Peter Edward Baker.
@hillroad - dude I think this might be the greatest accumulation of music ever
THANK YOU THANK YOU. From slug christ in a blakey drum solo. Dude are in my soul my right now?
One of my favorite drumming films to watch because they both add their own character and never try to out do each other.
Great that this exists and has been posted!!! Thanks!!!!!
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Great drum fun. These two are masters at their craft. Both have chops I have put into my playing. I am constantly morphing from the influence of others. Thanks for the fantastic blast from the past!
Read Ginger's book "Hellraiser"! I also read an article in a german drummers magazine, many years ago, where Art commented on Ginger's great playing and his friendship with him. Unfortunately after moving houses 5 times, I haven't got that one anymore.
You realy should understand that Ginger has played Jazz, Rock, Worldmusic throughout his life, and at the moment has a band called Jazz Confusion! He is a multi talent and is highly regarded in the Jazz, Rock and Afro Beat world!
Thanks for sharing ! Greetings and Blessings, Michael
Art was just a force of nature, even though he was getting up there in years at the time of this video. I could always tell when it was Art whenever I heard that hi-hat. Too bad there's no video of the duo Baker did with Elvin Jones.
You'll find some coverage of Elvin and Ginger's more publicized friendly duel in the astonishingly good "Beware of Mr.Baker "
@@parallaxcontinuum7898 - It was videoed, but never released, apart from the clip on 'Beware of Mr. Baker', but you can get it on audio CD (I have it...)
@@SAHBfanthe SAHB were SERIOUSLY unlucky and underrated, long live the spirit of Alex Harvey!!!
@@georgefromgreece4119 Hail Vibrania!
Two of my all time favourites and I am very glad I got to see Ginger inhis prime with Graham Bond and Cream
The Graham Bond band with Dick Heckstall-Smith & Ginger was a great band. I saw them at a club in Wardour St. in '62.
This brought tears to my eyes!!!
Big fan of both of these guys.. I was sweating just watching these two masters pour themselves into this!
I will always be a Ginger Baker fan.
Single bass drum jazz kit on the left (Art Blakey)
Double bass drum rock kit on the right (Ginger Baker)
Outstanding performance ! Thanks for sharing !
ok
Double bass kit is a jazz thing
What a great time with these chaps!
amazing...different styles...will finish watching when I have more time
Answer no2: None of these guys "brought Ginger up". They all knew about him. His Solos "Do what you like" and "Toad" had made him known all over the drummers world! He had made history by re-defining drumming. He is one of the few drummers who is constantly playing with all 4 limbs, using hi-hi hat as a time keeper, and thus has an immaculate timing. Over that he plays patterns adopted from the african talking drums, so he combines ancient thousand years old drumming with modern Jazz and Rock!
Good analyses.
14.28 Magical and Inspiring Minutes from two of The Greats of Our Time - Thanks Guys and you both came out 'On Top'! - That's Har-mon-eeeeee!! 'Enjoyed this greatly....
there is room enough for everyone in music
Really enjoyed this....thanks for posting.
I have been an Art Blakey fan for a long time. All though I have been a Rock fan most of my life I never really listened to Ginger Baker much. Art probably thought he was going to school Ginger and did not! Ginger definitely held his own and I thought at times even bettered Art. Remember I am a Blakey fan and this is the first time I have heard Ginger play like this or this video. I have new found respect for Ginger now. It took me long enough!
David Gallagher stop lying
I never understood this comment. Care to explain it to me Rodrick D.
He did school Ginger, but he was too stoned to realize it. Trust me, Art had no interest in doing this and his facial expressions prove it.
David Gallagher sorry u feel that way!! Art's killin this cat with LESS! Look at it kits! God bless!!!
Baker didn’t belong on the same stage. He was a hack.
People always seem to regard Ginger as arrogant, but the humility and admiration he shows for his drumming heroes seems to refute that.
It must have been frustrating as hell for Ginger to constantly hear himself be compared to the rock drummers of his time when there was no comparison. Perhaps frustrating enough to justify some well-earned boasting!
like how Art has a look like "yeah sup, Ginger,you do your thing... I don't care I am going to be over here just doing my thing"..all with a smoke in the mouth
tweevers2 that's what you said.,not them
um yeah! duh
The first three times I watched this video I would burst out laughing at Art's "If looks could kill" stare.
Deux des plus grands batteurs de l'histoire. Tout simplement. 🎼🍻🎶🇫🇷
Now I understand why Ginger really didn't think much of John Bonham. Never really had heard Ginger play other than with Cream. Pretty impressive. Neil Peart and Ginger Baker would have been fun to watch together also.
My father is a good jazz drummer.Big fan of Elvin Jones and Art Blake.He considers Bonham a great drummer.He was impressed with Bonzo's playing on Houses of the Holy album.Now as a role model....
John Bonham was the better drummer and there's no question about it. How many drummer polls Has Ginger outranked Bonzo in ?. Bonham had a lot of respect for Ginger Baker and I believe cited him as an influence somewhere. Baker wad known to have been an irascible and cantankerous individual. About that Bonzo couldn't 'swing a bag of shit' or something like that remark..we don't know what the context was exactly for that comment (maybe you do). I wouldn't give it too much credibility. Bonham had Ginger in almost all categories except for maybe what he did up top on the cymbals; Ginger was better at that possibly. John made comments that he wasn't much for cymbals and preferred the sound of drums... Who knows but all you need to do really is look at the body of work and John come back John comes out way ahead.
@@JoeSmith-ev2bg As if popularity polls were a criterion for excellence. In the end, it's not who's "best," there is no "best," there's only who you like.
Ginger was without a doubt so incredible as a stickman. i always lover Art. This is a no brainer. thank you.
Who do you prefer
You have to bear in mind that Ginger might've been higher than heaven. Listen to Cream's "Born Under a Bad Sign" for some complex drumming inside a straight blues song.
A couple of smoking drummers, literally !!! Great upload, thanks