Just when I thought this can't get any better, Max Roach walked onstage. Just when I thought this can't get any better, Art Blakey walked onstage. Just when I thought this can't any better, they started playing together. The crappy quality of this video actually helps capture the sense of history. Perfect!
Same with Ginger Baker. Both Bonham and Baker had deeply influenced jazz roots and they actually blended techniques of jazz and rock even if they were just playing solid rock music.
Same with Ginger Baker. Both Bonham and Baker had deeply influenced jazz roots and they actually blended techniques of jazz and rock even if they were just playing solid rock music. Same thing goes for Hendrix’s drummer Mitch Mitchell
@@russelltoffoli444 Ive been drumming for 50 years and reading youtube comments since the 60s and this is my first time hearing this idea, this concept. I find it not only insightful but also funny. It also helps me to feel superior even though my preferred genre is less profitable/ popular than others
@@jordanposnik6663No way. Max and Elvin were a lot more adventurous and had more creative use of space, which is indicative of them spearheading the free sound of the 60s. Blakey was amazing in his fundamentals however.
Of these 3 absolute giants, Max Roach is definitely my favorite, but it'd be really hard to say who won this drum battle. Each was remarkable in his own way.
That was my impression, and with no disrespect to anyone else. He was definitely feeling it that day. Reminded me a lot of Billy with Mahavishnu in terms of taking charge.
@@mthomas1973 of the three, elvin is the least 'straight ahead'. he comes out on top imo in terms of phrasing, inventiveness and texture. not to discount max or art, but they had playing solos similar to these, the same licks, for decades
came in here expecting Elvin to kinda win this even though they are all fckin legends, but i’ll be damned if Art Bu Blakey didn’t just lowkey eviscerate them… once again yea it’s not a competition but it is quite literally a drum battle so that’s just my opinion
I think this was from The Maltings - Adleburgh Festival Hall, Suffolk. The BBC had several trie to manufacture videotape rather than buy American Ampex, and this may be the cause of the quality degeneration.
Elvin Jones was such a unique drummer. He would transition erratically between long, fluid, and legato sections and quiet sections with a lot of negative space, but for as erratic as it was, it was always musical. Elvin was a true storyteller who always kept you excited about what he was going to do next.
beautifully said, Sir ... if you can, please search here for Elvin Jones Jan Hammer "Destiny" ... another aspect of Elvin's genius, this time in a more electric context
Roach had a melodic approach to drum breaks and accompaniment. Jones was a monster driving a band. Blakey was the only real soloist. Few long drum solos make sense; they're mostly pyrotechnics.
I'll name the participants of this drum "battle"(more like a sporting event for these gentlemen!)The Maestro(Elvin), the Killer(Max) and finally the Crazy(Art,naturally!) The Maestro & the Killer lay down some impressive drumming..., but "Crazy" here just goes all out! (We were blessed by/ these guys musicianship in our lifetime!)
Amazing to watch this! Thank you for sharing this footage its awesome! Takes me back to the 1970' village Gate as a young teenage watching Art Blakey & the Jazz messengers! First Class Jazz & incredible drumming! Hey what Jamakin' Art!
1) Virtuosic artists throughout history have always tended to use competition to push their limits. If you get into a cutting contest with your peers, it's safe to assume that the natural desire to win will be at least a small motivating factor in your playing. 2) It's fun for us as an audience to contextualize the performance this way. It adds drama and urges us to act actively as judges as opposed to passively as bystanders. 3) As you can see, they are playing their pieces separately, not together; which makes it hard to refer to this as a colab. except for in a very loose sense of the word.
@@JesseOnThaDrums It's a mixture of singles, doubles, and paradiddles. It depends which phrase. A lot of Max's fastest stuff was indeed all singles, but he had a lot of different patterns that used different sticking.
Such a special treat, that had to be, for anyone fortunate enough to have actually been there! At first I thought that Art was just there on his name, until he started smoking in the middle. Hands down winner in my opine. Would have loved it if Philly Joe was with them also.
It's weird... If I try to hear the unspoken beats, I can hear the rhythm. But, If I try to just listen, it kinda clashes with my sense of rhythm, breakbeat or not. I feel stupid, lol, but, sometimes I can hear something close to rhythmic progression, other times, i just hear incomprehensible noise.
@@luisn642 The only difference is that Elvin started playing much later. Art, Max and Elvin are the holy trinity of jazz drummers. They gave so much to the art and all had unique styles and sounds. Give me those three over Buddy Rich any day. They are full of dynamics, melody and musicality. Not just showing off. You see how much space they leave. Buddy was great, but just filled space with 32nd and 64th notes. Sometime one note means everything!
@@goesjem the machine gun buddy was mainly in short clips on tv show. In his own stuff that was quite different. Later on he did, similar to Elvin, some abstract solos , including some entirely in Match grip ! As opposite to the popular opinion.
At the risk of being ridiculed, I can honestly write that while there is no denying their superb technique, I didn't like any of them in this video. I couldn't tsp my feet to this kind of drumming and if I can't do that, then its just noise. It don't mean a thing if it ain't gogt that swing. That's a fact.
@Andy Butler Baker overrated? He created the rock drum solo and pioneered afrobeat music, just to name some of his contributions. Playing rolls and paradiddles at 250 bpm doesn't necessarily make you a legend. Baker was the Cream drummer for barely 4 years, his career lasted almost 50 years. Listen to "Sunrise on the Sufferbus" by Masters of Reality and maybe you'll realize how amazing Baker was.
Just when I thought this can't get any better, Max Roach walked onstage. Just when I thought this can't get any better, Art Blakey walked onstage. Just when I thought this can't any better, they started playing together.
The crappy quality of this video actually helps capture the sense of history. Perfect!
Well said!
Man listen to how much Bonham was influenced by Blakey. So many early rock drummers had such a heavy jazz influence.
Same with Ginger Baker. Both Bonham and Baker had deeply influenced jazz roots and they actually blended techniques of jazz and rock even if they were just playing solid rock music.
Same with Ginger Baker. Both Bonham and Baker had deeply influenced jazz roots and they actually blended techniques of jazz and rock even if they were just playing solid rock music. Same thing goes for Hendrix’s drummer Mitch Mitchell
I agree, Barry Barlow of Jethro Tull is about 10 times better then John Bonham, and Roach is about 50 times better then John Bonham
@@meyou-dv8nsbarry barlow as good as he isn’t, isnt as good as bonham tbh. but max roach ofc would be even bonham would agree himself
Yeah so many of the rock chops are just jazz chops.
Notice to young drummers: they created more magic using 4 piece drum kits than many drummers do with big drum kits.
sick observation!
If you can’t play what is the use of 27 drums you only need one to be able to play.
wow this has never been said before
@@russelltoffoli444 Ive been drumming for 50 years and reading youtube comments since the 60s and this is my first time hearing this idea, this concept. I find it not only insightful but also funny. It also helps me to feel superior even though my preferred genre is less profitable/ popular than others
Junior Brown’s drummer was terrific using just one drum.
i love how confident art blakey is. he doesnt even need to start heavy, he knows he's king
He blew Max and Elvin out of the water
@@jordanposnik6663 as a king does
@@jordanposnik6663No way. Max and Elvin were a lot more adventurous and had more creative use of space, which is indicative of them spearheading the free sound of the 60s. Blakey was amazing in his fundamentals however.
@@klauzer3593nah
To each his own opinion. They are all great drummers who influenced a whole lot of musicians.
We can see so much love and respect between them and for the art of drummung and jazz.
I was fortunate to see Elvin on his 70th birthday show and Max Roach in Seattle. Class acts ...
I love watching Max Roach play. He almost looks like a chef preparing a meal.
How do such wonders even exist in the universe!!!!🤯🤯🤯🤯🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Elvin, Max, and Art taking everyone to school... best school ever. ❤
Three “winners,” not one.
all three so distinct and unique
The Holy Trinity itself
Of these 3 absolute giants, Max Roach is definitely my favorite, but it'd be really hard to say who won this drum battle. Each was remarkable in his own way.
Those cymbals sound amazing
The other 'holy trinity' of jazz drummers
I'd say Blakey walked away with this one. He just had more rhythmic energy. All three were amazing, though.
Quite Right, Alf a life time Messengers fan
Hi hat and bass makes things at time and rhythmic
That was my impression, and with no disrespect to anyone else. He was definitely feeling it that day. Reminded me a lot of Billy with Mahavishnu in terms of taking charge.
Max is KING, hands down.😁
Pocket Max
And that folks is who taught GINGER BAKER.......
Elvin was really ahead.... not technically speaking.... but with the drum solo concept in itself. Few noticed
They are all great, but Elvin Jones never lost a drum battle.
From the sounds of it here, he was the one with the least musical performance and imagination
@@mthomas1973 of the three, elvin is the least 'straight ahead'. he comes out on top imo in terms of phrasing, inventiveness and texture. not to discount max or art, but they had playing solos similar to these, the same licks, for decades
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...According to you.
@@0SW13 ...Stop!
Until he met art lol
came in here expecting Elvin to kinda win this even though they are all fckin legends, but i’ll be damned if Art Bu Blakey didn’t just lowkey eviscerate them… once again yea it’s not a competition but it is quite literally a drum battle so that’s just my opinion
someone needs to clean up this print! repost it...what you don,t need 3 bass drums and 15 other drums?
All great but I don’t think they are in the same league as buddy rich as far as a solo goes
Fast forward to 2:00 to save watching some drunk, falling asleep at the kit!
Elvin for ever
THE REAL BATTLE WAS BETWEEN MAX ROACH vs BUDDY RICH THEY WERE 2 OF THE FASTEST DRUMMERS IN THE WORLD
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Max sits down and in 10 seconds owns Elvin.
Wow....had always been a huge max roach fan but blakey destroyed it.
Art has more texture and purpose....max concentrates on speed and power only.
a lot of this i didn't like. but there were some good parts like then the third guy went on stage, he had a pretty good start.
Jazz drummer's do more with less...by having more talent too start with...
I think this was from The Maltings - Adleburgh Festival Hall, Suffolk. The BBC had several trie to manufacture videotape rather than buy American Ampex, and this may be the cause of the quality degeneration.
Elvin Jones was such a unique drummer. He would transition erratically between long, fluid, and legato sections and quiet sections with a lot of negative space, but for as erratic as it was, it was always musical. Elvin was a true storyteller who always kept you excited about what he was going to do next.
beautifully said, Sir ... if you can, please search here for Elvin Jones Jan Hammer "Destiny" ... another aspect of Elvin's genius, this time in a more electric context
Roach had a melodic approach to drum breaks and accompaniment. Jones was a monster driving a band. Blakey was the only real soloist. Few long drum solos make sense; they're mostly pyrotechnics.
All these guys are from the same era but have such different approaches. They utilise the same rudiments but have their own distinctive sound.
Oh the timing!!!
Oh the stamina!!!
Oh the power!!!
All three have such a recognizable style that you could guess who is who with your eyes closed
They don't do drum solos, they tell stories.
Yes! ✊🏼🥁
Phenomenal artists and what a gem of a recording.
I'll name the participants of this drum "battle"(more like a sporting event for these gentlemen!)The Maestro(Elvin), the Killer(Max) and finally the Crazy(Art,naturally!) The Maestro & the Killer lay down some impressive drumming..., but "Crazy" here just goes all out! (We were blessed by/ these guys musicianship in our lifetime!)
アートブレイキーのドラミングになぜか涙がとまらない。テクニック云々のレベルじゃない。魂を感じるから。残念ながら生で見た事ないが私にとっては世界一のドラマーです。何となく和太鼓に通じるものを感じます。そう言えばあなたは日本が好きでしたね.奥さんも日本人だとか。孤児を引き取る優しさを忘れません
THIS WAS NOT A BATTLE. IT WAS A SUMMIT MEETING, PURE AND NOT SIMPLE!!!. SUPERB.
Elvin seemed to be phoning it in, tho…Max really cut them
Was this recorded at Snape Maltings in Suffolk for the BBC? I think I was there!
3 geniuses demonstrating their excellence. So much talent on that stage...
My God, this is great.
Amazing to watch this!
Thank you for sharing this footage its awesome!
Takes me back to the 1970' village Gate as a young teenage watching Art Blakey & the Jazz
messengers! First Class Jazz & incredible drumming!
Hey what Jamakin' Art!
Max Roach: Carved from Granite! What they do on Mt. Olympus...
Max gets my vote on this one
Hey another cellist that loves max roach??
Max roach is my favorite jazz drummer
And why do they insist on calling musical collaborations a “drum battle”?
1) Virtuosic artists throughout history have always tended to use competition to push their limits. If you get into a cutting contest with your peers, it's safe to assume that the natural desire to win will be at least a small motivating factor in your playing.
2) It's fun for us as an audience to contextualize the performance this way. It adds drama and urges us to act actively as judges as opposed to passively as bystanders.
3) As you can see, they are playing their pieces separately, not together; which makes it hard to refer to this as a colab. except for in a very loose sense of the word.
@@inerstate8 Thanks! I’ll,remember to add “asking rhetorically” in the future. 🤫
elvin jones oozing collaborative vibes at 2:40
The Thunder of the Gods.
Seems earlier than 1968. Happy Birthday Elvin!
I agree!
dherz108 ...1968!!!
Art Blakey all day long...pure rhythm
Cool
"Know thy drum kit" Psalm's 7/8th...
Max roach
That was awesome, thanks for sharing!
You can see/hear the progression of jazz drumming watching this. Pretty cool.
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2nd guy, that's pretty impressive if that was all single strokes
Its doubles
@@JesseOnThaDrums It's a mixture of singles, doubles, and paradiddles. It depends which phrase. A lot of Max's fastest stuff was indeed all singles, but he had a lot of different patterns that used different sticking.
This is like if Hendrix, Gilmour and Page had a guitar battle. The amount of influence in that room is incalculable.
The Holy Trinity of jazz percussion.
art blakey was ascending
Amazing.
Three masters.
They are 3 giants and Elvin is my favorite ever. But Bu killed this one hands down.
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Mr clean.
Elvin J all the way.
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Such a special treat, that had to be, for anyone fortunate enough to have actually been there!
At first I thought that Art was just there on his name, until he started smoking in the middle. Hands down winner in my opine.
Would have loved it if Philly Joe was with them also.
It's weird... If I try to hear the unspoken beats, I can hear the rhythm. But, If I try to just listen, it kinda clashes with my sense of rhythm, breakbeat or not. I feel stupid, lol, but, sometimes I can hear something close to rhythmic progression, other times, i just hear incomprehensible noise.
Drum solos dont have to follow a beat
Traditional way of holding the sticks
6:27 that legendary press roll
Elvin Jones #1
Max Roach's drumming is magnificent, but here his polite was gone wild, he didn't wait till Elvin stop his solo. That's horrible :(
It seems to me that Elvin was winding down so Max could come in. Three of my favorite drummers. Thanks for posting.
@michael Evans ...Correct!
I saw and listened in stunned silence to Mr. Art Blakey in the West Village in the Middle Seventies.
Tks. much.
they all look like toy drum sets compared to what's used today
😂 they do!!! Just goes to show, you don't need those big kits on order to play great!!!
These lucky people were treated to an extraordinary feast of drumming.
Elvin Jones is out of his League. He's from a different era of drumming then Max and Blakey. That's how come he was made to go first.
What do you mean? Max Roach was born only three years before Elvin. It’s not the era, just the style.
@@luisn642 The only difference is that Elvin started playing much later. Art, Max and Elvin are the holy trinity of jazz drummers. They gave so much to the art and all had unique styles and sounds. Give me those three over Buddy Rich any day. They are full of dynamics, melody and musicality. Not just showing off. You see how much space they leave. Buddy was great, but just filled space with 32nd and 64th notes. Sometime one note means everything!
@@goesjem the machine gun buddy was mainly in short clips on tv show.
In his own stuff that was quite different.
Later on he did, similar to Elvin, some abstract solos , including some entirely in Match grip ! As opposite to the popular opinion.
@@goesjem also he s doing not at all busy in the album with Allah rakkha
They all rocked before there was rock. You can hear much they influenced the later generations.
Musical drums. How it should be.
Suit and tie is better for performances. Sixties brought in bad habits.Still good playing all around
Elvin Jones ftw.
At the risk of being ridiculed, I can honestly write that while there is no denying their superb technique, I didn't like any of them in this video. I couldn't tsp my feet to this kind of drumming and if I can't do that, then its just noise. It don't mean a thing if it ain't gogt that swing. That's a fact.
No it merely shows your narrow understanding of black classical music
Elgin Jones. Stamp collecting in his future. Art Blakey better. Max Roach…I feel sorry for the audience Max. Lol
Buddy…god!!!!!!
Art Blakey walks onstage... John Bonham 👂
I think: respect, they made the way (but… overtaken drumming, some modern drummer makes music even in solo, not just drumming)
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Ginger took on Art And Elvin.who does that and Survived? Ginger
@Andy Butler Baker overrated? He created the rock drum solo and pioneered afrobeat music, just to name some of his contributions. Playing rolls and paradiddles at 250 bpm doesn't necessarily make you a legend. Baker was the Cream drummer for barely 4 years, his career lasted almost 50 years. Listen to "Sunrise on the Sufferbus" by Masters of Reality and maybe you'll realize how amazing Baker was.
Elvin Jones is mediocre at best. He is not creative whatsoever and boring too.
Normie
??? go listen to any of his music lmao your ears are the issue not his playing
Go back to blast beats
u talkin about me 😳
You re kidding, right?
Wow