yeah man TF2 is amazing, especially since you can hop on and off whenever you like, while if one players quits during the 50 min match in deadlock the game is borked
@@done_for To be fair, it is in Alpha (or Beta… idk), so very likely that will probably get fixed, but I still agree with you. Deadlock is fun and it looks good too, but TF2 is better, I guess we’ll see when Deadlock has finished it’s development.
Drastically different games and I’ve played both. Overwatch still has a niche which is why despite the horrible balancing and blizzards scumminess the games still played. Marvel Rivals actually is a rival for Overwatch.
as a 2008 tf2 player veteran i can say that everytime when valve cooks new game = tf2 fans angry. remember dota2? "oh, who wants to play moba in 2011? it's dead genre" remember csgo on release? "oh we won't get updates anymore" (same goes for cs2 thing) tf2 players really need reality check and understand that people who work on deadlock aren't same people who worked on tf2, does icefrog even acknowledge existance of tf2? that's the question you need to ask :)
@@done_for also as a note: i think the only thing that can make tf2 relevant is major update, which would make sh!t weapons usable, new weapons that can make some fun stuff and non-slop hats(looking at you emporium), otherwise deadlock is gonna be more alive than tf2 and tf2 fanbase gonna do "ow vs tf2" but with deadlock ;) even though games are different from basic/advanced movement to actual moba gameplay (farm and taking objectives), hopefully game is gonna be more fun on release(i wait matchmaking elo being non-private plus ranked) ((waiting for getting 4 man ganked in lane in ranked, lol))
Yeah, because it looks like shit. I don‘t mean the graphics. I mean the amount of screen-bloat with sparks and neon colours everywhere, you can‘t see shit, you have no clue whats going on
@@done_for imo if they just reduce the visual effects, reduce the stuns durations and put some cap to the sniper characters, then id play the shit out of it, it's like a moba but fun. game is already good tho.
Yeah, like I understand that games take some decent time to learn, especially a game with some more complex mechanics, but dear god Deadlock is off-putting. I think the "this player is on fire" marker above a flaming player instead of just showing some flame effects over a player model absolutely shows the core problem of Deadlock's interface and design problem. It's too damn complicated.
Solid video! Here's my thoughts: Deadlock is just Dota 3 with a different name. Deadlock won't replace tf2 for the same reasons Subnautica or Rocket league didn't replace tf2. As for why valve chose to make a moba shooter hybrid, i don't think it's purely about market trends. Dota 2 is more or less perfected, so the Dota devs wanted to do something different.
To be honest I don’t hate deadlock I hate that valve is capable of making a completely new game but still can’t make a major update for years if valve simply adds some new weapons everyone will stop being schizo I bet on all my hats
Most of this comment section are stuck at the first and second phases of grief, as much as it is lame tf2 is not getting the updates and contents both the game and community needs, Y'all just have to accept tf2 is an old relic game and Valve would prefer to prioritize future projects such as Deadlock. Atleast were getting the final comic.
I feel like the “replace” connotations are less on its going to replace it in the sense you’re thinking of and more replace it in the minds of Valve itself. TF2 has already been pretty dead on the front of updates (no gameplay related change for 7 years?) but this game appearing means there’s the possibility of even less being put into TF2. I tried Deadlock myself, and honestly? The gameplay loop does not try to actually be any different than the other MOBAS and just feels like TPS DOTA. While I love the art style and world feel of the game, the gameplay just does not actually try to be any less painfully boring or polarizing. Appealing to this market does not need to be done, especially since Valve already has two of the biggest games in this market (CS and DOTA) and I understand the apprehension of TF2 players entirely.
@@tengoku-hanabanashii3933 honestly tf2 has been getting more attention now than the last 7 years, the bot fix, summer updates, new modes/maps, all this while they have been cooking deadlock, i genuinely don’t see how someone wanting to work on tf2 at valve suddenly switch to deadlock just because it’s the new thing
@@done_for The new maps are fairly OK at best and the updates don't really fix any major issues balance wise. The bot fix was probably in the works for a while now and they just pulled the trigger when the movement started up again (just speculation there though). Not to mention, this all has probably been done by the single contractor they brought on for the game and whatever community people were willing to contribute fixes. The people working on the game otherwise I think was single digits for the longest time (probably even just 1 or two?) However, if rumor floating around that there's at least 20 people on the TF2 project right now is true, there perhaps is a chance they'll do at least a little more at some point... I hope so, I don't even want like, an update with new weapons or anything I just want them to at least attempt a balance pass to the game...
I see so many tf2 fans whining about how their game is better on every deadlock post I see. i get it, you're upset the game's not recieving support anymore. But like. Some of us just like Deadlock more. Deadlock consumed my soul. I couldn't get into TF2 and the complaining from its community definitely isn't helping.
yep the definitions are funky, but i the main thing i was saying is that tf2 doesn't appeal to mainstream audiences, just like how splitgate, diabotical and halo didn't appeal to the masses
Deadlock is a Hero Shooter MOBA. TF2 has been retroactively added to the Hero Shooter genre. Dota 2 IS a MOBA. Play Valve apologetics all you want, Deadlock will be actively competing with two of Valve's games, which from a business standpoint is just a stupid idea.
@@southernninja7786 What if someone wants to play a game that’s a mix of dota 2 and tf2? I really don’t know why you’re saying this cause i think tf2 and dota player counts are still stable after deadlock soft launch
@@done_for Then that's a disturbed person. Deadlock has no staying power as of now. One mode that's just a MOBA, forgettable soulless characters, and in an oversaturated genre. The only thing propping it up at the moment is the fact it's a Valve game, otherwise no one would even know it exists. Again, just makes no sense to make a game competing with two of your previous live service titles. Unless Valve makes a dramatic shift in the game, I don't see it succeeding beyond a year, maybe two. By that point it will likely fall into the trap of Overwatch and Paladins, making broken overpowered characters to keep the game fresh, over correcting them and making them useless, only to repeat the cycle the next hero. On top of that, you have the MOBA items likely to be constantly buffed and nerfed, it's just going to be a disaster since Valve historically listens to the wrong people when it comes to balance. Just look at TF2 for the worst example of this.
Nobody asked for deadlock, we want tf2 updates like the good old days and half life 3, if valve wanted to repoularise tf2, it would not be hard, just update well like the good old days the the older sleeper players will comeback, maybe even advertise it, because it is better than basically every fps game except half life
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Frick DEADLOCK!
A friend of mine (big TF2 guy btw), played Deadlock, he says it was fun and was pretty good, though despite that, he says he still prefers TF2.
yeah man TF2 is amazing, especially since you can hop on and off whenever you like, while if one players quits during the 50 min match in deadlock the game is borked
@@done_for To be fair, it is in Alpha (or Beta… idk), so very likely that will probably get fixed, but I still agree with you.
Deadlock is fun and it looks good too, but TF2 is better, I guess we’ll see when Deadlock has finished it’s development.
Deadlock will replace overwatch if anything. It's a more enjoyable take on that cool down and ultimate ability based gameplay.
nah they’re too different
Valve will find a way to put skill in it, you just wait
Drastically different games and I’ve played both. Overwatch still has a niche which is why despite the horrible balancing and blizzards scumminess the games still played. Marvel Rivals actually is a rival for Overwatch.
as a 2008 tf2 player veteran i can say that everytime when valve cooks new game = tf2 fans angry.
remember dota2? "oh, who wants to play moba in 2011? it's dead genre"
remember csgo on release? "oh we won't get updates anymore" (same goes for cs2 thing)
tf2 players really need reality check and understand that people who work on deadlock aren't same people who worked on tf2, does icefrog even acknowledge existance of tf2? that's the question you need to ask :)
@@Workers12 agreed
@@done_for also as a note: i think the only thing that can make tf2 relevant is major update, which would make sh!t weapons usable, new weapons that can make some fun stuff and non-slop hats(looking at you emporium), otherwise deadlock is gonna be more alive than tf2 and tf2 fanbase gonna do "ow vs tf2" but with deadlock ;) even though games are different from basic/advanced movement to actual moba gameplay (farm and taking objectives), hopefully game is gonna be more fun on release(i wait matchmaking elo being non-private plus ranked) ((waiting for getting 4 man ganked in lane in ranked, lol))
Yeah, because it looks like shit. I don‘t mean the graphics. I mean the amount of screen-bloat with sparks and neon colours everywhere, you can‘t see shit, you have no clue whats going on
Agreed, most mobas are like this tho, hope deadlock can iron the visuals out
@@done_for imo if they just reduce the visual effects, reduce the stuns durations and put some cap to the sniper characters, then id play the shit out of it, it's like a moba but fun. game is already good tho.
I hope they change it, one of the design principles with TF2 was readability
@@realdragon readability is fun
Yeah, like I understand that games take some decent time to learn, especially a game with some more complex mechanics, but dear god Deadlock is off-putting.
I think the "this player is on fire" marker above a flaming player instead of just showing some flame effects over a player model absolutely shows the core problem of Deadlock's interface and design problem. It's too damn complicated.
Solid video! Here's my thoughts: Deadlock is just Dota 3 with a different name. Deadlock won't replace tf2 for the same reasons Subnautica or Rocket league didn't replace tf2. As for why valve chose to make a moba shooter hybrid, i don't think it's purely about market trends. Dota 2 is more or less perfected, so the Dota devs wanted to do something different.
agreed
Have fun people
To be honest I don’t hate deadlock I hate that valve is capable of making a completely new game but still can’t make a major update for years if valve simply adds some new weapons everyone will stop being schizo I bet on all my hats
@@MogoMojo-50 deadlock attracts wayyy more ppl than a tf2 update would
@@MogoMojo-50 TF2 is almost 20 years old man. They moved on.
God forbid game company.... makes a game
holy shit, dun uploaded a video at 12 am? That's crazy!1!!
Wait... this is not Gabber tf2...
Most of this comment section are stuck at the first and second phases of grief, as much as it is lame tf2 is not getting the updates and contents both the game and community needs, Y'all just have to accept tf2 is an old relic game and Valve would prefer to prioritize future projects such as Deadlock. Atleast were getting the final comic.
0:52 Doom?
i would consider doom revolutionary.
yeah that’s mostly singleplayer tho
@@done_for true.
I feel like the “replace” connotations are less on its going to replace it in the sense you’re thinking of and more replace it in the minds of Valve itself. TF2 has already been pretty dead on the front of updates (no gameplay related change for 7 years?) but this game appearing means there’s the possibility of even less being put into TF2.
I tried Deadlock myself, and honestly? The gameplay loop does not try to actually be any different than the other MOBAS and just feels like TPS DOTA. While I love the art style and world feel of the game, the gameplay just does not actually try to be any less painfully boring or polarizing. Appealing to this market does not need to be done, especially since Valve already has two of the biggest games in this market (CS and DOTA) and I understand the apprehension of TF2 players entirely.
@@tengoku-hanabanashii3933 honestly tf2 has been getting more attention now than the last 7 years, the bot fix, summer updates, new modes/maps, all this while they have been cooking deadlock, i genuinely don’t see how someone wanting to work on tf2 at valve suddenly switch to deadlock just because it’s the new thing
@@done_for The new maps are fairly OK at best and the updates don't really fix any major issues balance wise. The bot fix was probably in the works for a while now and they just pulled the trigger when the movement started up again (just speculation there though). Not to mention, this all has probably been done by the single contractor they brought on for the game and whatever community people were willing to contribute fixes. The people working on the game otherwise I think was single digits for the longest time (probably even just 1 or two?)
However, if rumor floating around that there's at least 20 people on the TF2 project right now is true, there perhaps is a chance they'll do at least a little more at some point... I hope so, I don't even want like, an update with new weapons or anything I just want them to at least attempt a balance pass to the game...
Hello it's me halfland1.0 I've been saying this for about a while but good video ❤
hey whats up
I see so many tf2 fans whining about how their game is better on every deadlock post I see. i get it, you're upset the game's not recieving support anymore. But like. Some of us just like Deadlock more. Deadlock consumed my soul. I couldn't get into TF2 and the complaining from its community definitely isn't helping.
I don't think TF2 related to arena shooters that much. So comparison is not that accurate.
yep the definitions are funky, but i the main thing i was saying is that tf2 doesn't appeal to mainstream audiences, just like how splitgate, diabotical and halo didn't appeal to the masses
Deadlock is fun, TF2 is fun! Both are too diffrent. 1 is lane baller game . 2 Area Baller game. Main: Medic / Pocket
As a tf2 player i can see that both games have more then 1 character and a gun so it must be a copy
avarage tf2 players try to have fun challange (impossible)
well yeah, have you played against the vaccinator?
@@lukecasaus3338 yeah, i reqeue when i face one. which i can do now that the bots are gone.
i desperately want to rant about vacc in a video
@@lukecasaus3338 Do you know how seldom people use vacc? Honestly homewrecker annoys me more than vacc
@@done_fordo it
Yeah no duh, its a moba. Its nothing like tf2
I played deadlock at my friend's pc i didn't enjoy it tf2 is better and its more fun
Deadlock is a Hero Shooter MOBA. TF2 has been retroactively added to the Hero Shooter genre. Dota 2 IS a MOBA. Play Valve apologetics all you want, Deadlock will be actively competing with two of Valve's games, which from a business standpoint is just a stupid idea.
@@southernninja7786 What if someone wants to play a game that’s a mix of dota 2 and tf2? I really don’t know why you’re saying this cause i think tf2 and dota player counts are still stable after deadlock soft launch
@@done_for Then that's a disturbed person. Deadlock has no staying power as of now. One mode that's just a MOBA, forgettable soulless characters, and in an oversaturated genre. The only thing propping it up at the moment is the fact it's a Valve game, otherwise no one would even know it exists. Again, just makes no sense to make a game competing with two of your previous live service titles.
Unless Valve makes a dramatic shift in the game, I don't see it succeeding beyond a year, maybe two. By that point it will likely fall into the trap of Overwatch and Paladins, making broken overpowered characters to keep the game fresh, over correcting them and making them useless, only to repeat the cycle the next hero. On top of that, you have the MOBA items likely to be constantly buffed and nerfed, it's just going to be a disaster since Valve historically listens to the wrong people when it comes to balance. Just look at TF2 for the worst example of this.
@@southernninja7786 damn bro these takes are kinda shit fr fr
@@Codypro134 I'm sorry MOBA slop is acceptable in your eyes. I'll pray for your recovery
Nobody asked for deadlock, we want tf2 updates like the good old days and half life 3, if valve wanted to repoularise tf2, it would not be hard, just update well like the good old days the the older sleeper players will comeback, maybe even advertise it, because it is better than basically every fps game except half life
I know they are working on this but they could have done it faster