Piggyback & Offset Red Dots
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2022
- An overview of piggyback, offset, and piggyback offset red dots. The pros and cons of secondary optics and the mounting options for them.
For more info about the why behind offset red dots, check out this vid from @BrassFacts :
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This video goes well paired with a recent BrassFacts vintage:
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My comment referenced that. You guys make rad videos yo
Very kind to mention your sweetheart for Christmas 🎄
I just watched that one. I'd agree. Good pair.
Like pairing wine and cheese
Only idiots put a red dot on as their primary aiming device and then put another one on.
Hop still the king of “relevant and useful information per minute”. Great video.
I definitely respect the format. Relevant, useful information with the occasional opinion quickly sprinkled in.
For real man. I tried to listen to "The Jay Situation" podcast recently and the guy said nothing in 30 minutes and wasted my time. I'm sure he provides a lot for the community on Pew Science so I'm not trying to badmouth him. Hop and BrassFacts are just damn efficient and fun to watch.
Side note: I think the algorithm is really doing BrassFacts dirty at the moment because his subscriber count growth seems to have taken a long pause.
no shit. thanks for finding my words
The only close rival is the sling guy on zuccbook, but I guess that depends on your reading level.
Brass facts spending 20 minutes to ultimately say it depends and get to the good part where he shows luna
I'm rooting for you in the build off Hopp !
I think he will kick ass with his rifle.
Hop's rifle has SOVL
He is luke skywalker, and he must defeat his father.
It's not even a contest. It's already over.
Hop has to build he does everything that is No Nonsense
Hop right in, no bullshit, straight to the information in easy to understand, concise, and interesting terms. 10/10 would watch again
dont lie.
Just to add something: With an offset, if you pick the right mount, your primary and secondary optics can be mounted at (virtually) the same height over bore, meaning you can use the same zero and the same holds with both.
Well said!! Which also makes offset combo a super fast long-range target acquisition tool. We frequently keep our LPVO at max magnification, and only use the offset dot to get on target. Once the gun is lined up, by simply rolling the gun you have instant, and near perfect sight picture. I can drop pigs at 400m before the guy next to me finish zooming his LPVO...
@@ValhallaTacticalthat’s definitely a more fool proof method but this is also just muscle memory to some extent if you practice bringing the rifle up to your eye consistently
@@MellowFellowOfYellow Indeed! Plus not everyone faces or expects the same scenario; or has the same budget. So setup your rifle the way it fits your needs, and PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. A well-trained LPVO zoom could still be faster than a rusty offset flip! The main benefit of a properly designed offset though, is that your muscle memory remains the same between both optics - identical head position, cheekweld, etc. It will make you a faster shooter on both optics.
Do you really need an LVPO or can you benefit from a real scope combined with the offset red dot?
@@jonathannelson33 The main argument for LPVO is that if your offset fails (dead battery etc), you can throw the LPVO to 1x and use it as a backup CQB optic. But if close range isn't your primary use-case, offset paired with high-power scope also has tons of benefits!
Thanks Hop. I'll 2nd the King of "relevant and useful information per minute".
Been watching You and Brass Facts trying to sort out setting up a GP rifle for night vision and so far it seems that the number of compromises, if using an LPVO, are so numerous that an LPVO GP rifle intended for day and night use is leaving a lot on the table.
I know it goes against the whole "pick one rifle" vibe that I definitely see the wisdom of, but I've kind of transitioned to a GP-Day and GP-Night rifle. GP-Night is an 11.5" dedicated suppressed with all the IR goodies and a T2 on a unity mount. GP-Day is a 16" with just a flashlight and a good LPVO. Because I gotta face it, most of my use is either flat range larping or truck camping where I can pack two rifles. Both rifles end up very light and easy to shoot, and very good at their intended purpose.
@@YumekuiWRX two uppers maybe vs. two complete rifles
I’ve learned that if you want to build a rifle that can do both, then you really need to solely kit it as an NV rifle.
That often leaves you with a shorter rifle that’s using a red dot with an illuminator of some kind. Thus, you are limited to 300 yards and in, but that’s the same niche for NV and day time.
LPVO all day if it’s solely a day time rifle for me personally.
@@MellowFellowOfYellow That's the way I'm leaning as well. An acceptable middle ground is MAYBE, as is untested by me, a red dot with magnifier.
Even then, I can see there being plenty of gotcha's in trying to arrange everything in a fashion that works well under both set of operating circumstnaces. And giving up a ranging reticle is no small matter.
At the expense of weight and money, the gl/ssc configuration seems like a really really good do all rifle for day and night time use. In theory at least
Sorry can’t hear you over the superior sound of me flipping my magnifier into position. (They’re very nice for my specific use/needs but your use case may differ)
I see the BABAR AR out there crushing it.
Lets all go and bid on the BABAR so James wins
Quick eyes, man...was wondering about that when they did the hop v james build off...meant to go back and see if that was in this video. Last I checked, the BABAR AR was leading the bidding. But what do they expect? James's followers have much deeper pockets than Hop's.
@@AndyCigars Critically examining the capabilites of the rifle it's clear to me that Hop's should win the compétition.
@@007turtle1239 Optic quality and weight/balance both go a long way towards making a gun shoot well and I think the BABAR has Hop's gun beat there. But James is missing a white light, which is a pretty salient omission.
@@007turtle1239 I think the disparity is simply the quad rail haters out there.
Glass Facts here.
EDIT: How you liking that Designate IR-V? I just blew the mount off mine in the harsh conditions of my gun bag.
💀
Arisaka’s offset aligns perfectly with a standard height scope mount. It also comes with a “booster” plate if you prefer. It lines up perfectly with a very minimal turn of the rifle. And it’s only +/- 100 bucks or so with 5-8 different plate options.
That's what I run.
Arisaka offset and an RMR. Works for me.
Same here.
Bruh. The first thing I thought when I read 'Arisaka' was Cyberpunk 2077. 💀💀💀. I played that too much.
But anyway, I also prefer offset red dots. It's closer to the bore axis and feels overall more ergonomic for me personally.
Same one here as well. (Lpvo offset with 509t, on the Arisaka mount)
I dig it, and for me, I’m faster up close with the offset than the lpvo at 1x. By a bit actually.
@@titanium_viper5049 ah but remember, it's "Arasaka" in Cyberpunk, no I only A's. Totally not trademark infringement ;-)
Another certified Hoplopfheil hood classic
+2.5oz for an led acog really is worth it. Better rmr placement and it lets you use the optic outside without needing a roll of tape. I’m also just as confident in AA batteries being around long term as I am in sunlight.
I think for most people that are concerned about having an apocalypse type of rifle they should just buy a used fiber optic acog get it zeroed take it off and throw it in a drawer. I love my TA11 but once I make the jump to night vision I'll probably experiment with an EOtech and a electrical ACOG with an aimpoint T2 top mounted.
@@WarheadFPS I agree, something like that alongside being proficient with irons should be enough consideration put into that unlikely situation.
I understand the attraction to it not needing batteries, but that really does come with enough cons that I think it makes the led models a real upgrade.
Not to mention you can throw a solar powered rmr on top of it ;)
Besides any prism worth its weight had an etched reticle
I'm fascinated by the tape meme, since I've never experienced a fiber ACOG being too bright.
@@Hoplopfheil never? i remember at the end of your civilian acog video you made a comment about going to do some more shooting since the sun went away.
i just think being able to control the brightness and have the rmr in a usable spot for 2.5oz is fine when considering how light it already is.
I love your review and informational videos. 90% of your stock footage, you look either pissed off or at least unhappy with something going on, which is something I have found I feel quite often when testing a new set up for myself that for wahtever reason I thought a few youtube videos and a frivolous online purchase made me want to have.
I was issued an RMR mounted to a TA11 and loved it. Do I have that setup at home? No. But the big benefit a lot of people overlook is the ability to run 2 ZEROs. We would zero the acog at 100, co-align the laser to it at 100 and zero the RMR at 25. From zero to 50 you could point and click, the acog worked well for anything past that. It's especially helpful vs an lpvo for constantly switching between near and far. (Window, street, roof, street...)
I'd love to see a review of the 5x PA prism with a red dot like discussed here. Hop always tells you exactly what you're getting, lol
I just bought one, haven't been able to use it at the range yet.
I'm no HOP, really I'm just starting out with defensive rifles, but I like mine (I put it on an AUG). Really it seems to just be a poor mans ACOG, and I'd think most of the commentary around a similar ACOG setup would apply.
I intentionally went piggyback because I wanted magnification for threat ID and red dot for situational awareness without having to do something with my hands to swap back and forth. (I didn't seriously consider the 45 degree mounts as that felt too clunky with my AUG) I went with the PA 5x over ACOG because of how expensive the ACOGs were
@@DWalter.27ACOGs are ridiculously expensive. The PA prism is likely 80-90% as tough for 30% of the price.
The LED ACOG's are only two ounces heavier and the control of the brightness is much better than ye old tape on the fiber (plus the fiber will bloom more often than not). I think it's a better trade off but hey your mileage may vary. The 12 o'clock red dot is more for passive NV (as you stated), gasmask use, and close CQB (room clearing). It's supplement for SOME benefits of a 1x not all. Also, welcome to the world of chin rest. People using AK's having been dealing with this for years so it's nothing new.
I can use my SRO on top my LED ACOG at 40-50 yards doing triples in the A zone with ease. And passively its very nice. Its a 5.56 so recoil isnt bad. Not sure why people get all worked up.
While it's nothing new, the point is it's not good either. Most people aren't room clearing, wearing a gas mask, or wearing NV; so, for most people in most situations, it's a waste of $300-$1000 depending on their set up.
Yep pretty much this was my experience when I came from AKs. Can't believe how people could shoot optics that low 🤣
@@heyhayhay247 If you are pushing to equip people for the 2A then it's best to encourage people to save their money and aquire NV. It would also benefit people to take courses that specialize in CQC so that they don't flag and kill a friendly. I try not to be negative Nancy when it comes to stuff but save the money.
@@elijahanderson6736 Exactly, 7.62x39 AK's are worse but are workable and have put people into the ground.
On a piggyback red dot, you can effectively use the same rotate and aim approach as you do with an offset mount - you just tilt and use your left eye through the piggyback dot. This works especially well if you happen to be left-eye dominant.
You can but then your height over bore is going to be at an angle and can cause some point of impact issues if you don't train with your holds
@@Russianmafia10 Not if you zero it tilted
@@kilroy5166 your height over bore is still going to be offset
Back in the day some of our ACOGs had built in secondary irons - wonder if that's still a thing. Not ideal, but a solution.
Same with our ELCAN’s
Cool feature, but more of a failsafe, not a secondary primary.
Theyre pretty useless…. Might as well just have a front post and no rear aperture.
I have the secondary irons and the top red dot. Can’t say I’ve figured out when I’d use the irons but they are all there
Just got my first lpvo and was having this exact conversation with myself. Thanks for all the useful info! Great video as always, Hop!
@@Esch_atton That wasn’t myself that commented that. Just updated my password so we shouldn’t have any more issues.
@@brandons8215 ah makes sense 😅 have a good one.
Nice to see Hop already using the James budget piece.
Honestly in building my GPR (has to be night vision capable build), I found I really enjoy either a lpvo/fix 3 or 4 times with a dot on top for passive aiming. Naturally heads up shooting, most decent pistol red dots coming with a usable NV setting and the drip is 11/10.
6:01 I know Browe isn’t as big as it was, and it wasn’t that big to begin with, but their BCO did what the LED ACOGs did pushing the optic forward
I love my Browe BCO - highly underrated and often forgotten optic.
I just looked it up thanks to yall talking about it. You're right, seems to be lurking in the shadows but from I can see it's an acog only better🤘😎
@@BarnDoor-won5ve it was made by an ex Trijicon employee, hence why that’s what it seems
Browe also has the the absolute best blackout reticle out there.
Your videos are always cut, dry, and to the point. Learn a lot of great practical information from them! Your channel is one of the few I have on subscribe notifications for that reason, keep it up :D
I think it’s funny you showed footage of you shooting James’ $1250 build. I thought yours was better.
The issue with passive aiming under nods would never have occurred to me without going hands-on. That's why I'm so glad channels like this exist. God's work meng
I'll tell you what got my juices flowing. Seeing you shoot the rifle that Jimothy sent you. I can't wait to see those reviews.
All great points and observations. Always love the content and how its presented. All I can say is for ME, I run a 45* offset red dot on 2 of my ARs, one an SPR build and the other a 6.5 Grendel hunting rifle I love for up here in the PNW. Twice now I've had deer present at ~20-25yds id say and been able to take a clean quick shot and take them down using the canted red dot. I wasn't doing anything "tactical" or defending myself, I was just hunting both times, but it worked great to have that option on the rifle. Thanks for the great content.
I truly appreciate the honesty and integrity from Hop.
Rare thing these days...
6:58 Watching a video with Hop in it always gets my juices flowing.
I was thinking about this yesterday for my M1A, I have a PA 3x prism on it and was thinking of using its piggyback mount. This video helps a lot, thanks!
Literally just ordered a leupold mk5 3-18 and that mount with deltapoint pro for my mk12 yesterday. Hoping it will be a killer setup. Nice to hear someone else likes that mount.
I thought the whole point of an offset red dot was because it is faster than an LPVO on 1X. After all, you’re still looking through a red dot even though it’s offset and slightly smaller versus down a tube with an eye box. Plus it enables you to keep the lpvo on a magnified setting and quickly go to the offset for close up shots vs having to dial back to zero so in that aspect it’s even faster.
3-15 + offset or piggyback on AR is pretty great
Seems the only way you could have a "do it all" ar15 would be this sort of setup
Intelligent, comprehensive and no-bullshit overview of the concept. 👍
Bruh, what an absolute Chad move. Competition with dad for a budget build? Let's run a video pointing out the limitations of his optics choice
I knew Hop would have something to say about James' choice of optics. 😛
Hop and Brass are peak guntube. Both of yall manage to make boring information interesting and entertaining.
I see JR’s budget build in this video. Excited to see what you think about it.
I think the #1 reason for an offset red dot with LPVO either piggyback or angled is passive NV. Also for a 1-8 or 1-10 there are times where you’re dialed up to a higher magnification and have a threat quickly present itself at close range and it is faster to roll the gun or pop your head up to the mini RDS and engage then it would be to rip the cattail back to 1X.
Or offset irons if it’s for limited use for urgent CQB threats.
@@bluesoverlord Eww.. canted irons?
I mean, you can if you either hate yourself or are a masochist.
For me my offset dot is in lieu of BUIS. Because I'm not removing an ACOG/LPVO mount.
Definitely agree. I can also say from experience that using the offset dot for fov at range can be much faster than going out and in with the cat tail when transitioning between targets, so long as you choose a stock with a consistent cheek weld interacting with your face.
@@DeathxThexKid100 canted irons have their uses, mainly that they don't fog in temperature extremes.
I used to waste so much time with these combo's. Now I just use a 25 yard zero with a red dot that only weighs 2 ounces and it shoots flat to 300 yards using a six o’clock hold for precision. Even at 400 yards the bullet only drops 15 inches. The gun is now super nimble, simple, ultralight, fast and accurate.
I switched to red dot only for the same exact reasons
BrassFacts does a video on the necessity of a magnifier of some sort. Mainly positive identification, and anything past the 300 yard mark. Just saying.
That's cool for normal carbine purposes
My AO is the PNW and I like to PID without busting out my binos and spotting scope
It's all fun and games until...astigmatism. One of the primary reasons prism scopes like the ACOG and the PA mini prisms are doing so well in the market.
@@ASqdrnDA never had a problem Identifying bad guys at 400 yards when overseas…enjoy your setup
Hey Hop (or anyone else who likes the Leupold mount) Midway has th for $59 right now
I like running full size red dot on top of my 3-9 scope. Yes, it adds bulk, but it is almost as fast as just a red dot, and it is 1x that is always there with no need for messing with the scope.
You and Brass Facts coming in hot with the nearly congruent releases on the same topic. Gotta love it.
TheNovaGroup hivemind
I’ve found that an offset red dot is easier to use with body armor cause I can angle the stock to be parallel with the cut on my plate
Literally was thinking about these setups this morning and here we are
I have two Burris scopes that came with the piggyback red dot. I put both of them on a 45 degree offset, much better and super easy. I like that you can use the side red dot for quick acquisition and then rotate back up to the scope to pull the target in through the magnified optic.
I run a primary arms first focal plane 1-8 on my 13.7 AR with an arisaka offset mount and a holosun 509T. I don't have night vision (yet) so I don't have to worry about NV performance as far as my optics go. I like having the ability to leave my 1-8 on 4x and run my red dot for 100 yards and in. Given my range goes out to 500 yards, and my neighbor has told me I'm allowed to shoot any hogs I see on his property, I might be shooting anywhere from 0-500 yards. I like the 1-8 for medium to long range shooting and the offset red dot for anything within about 100 yards. The 1x on my 1-8 is perfectly fine, but light transmission at night time is not as good as the red dot.
Let's see Hop review the Strike Industries 45° offset mount. We all know how much he loves SI
Strike Industries is trash.
Hop, thanks for throwing in the data about lefty equipment!
I use an offset because of vision issues in my left eye, gives me the ability to shoot left handed . The biggest issue I have is trying to configure it close to the same level as the scope itself. The clamp ons you showed gave me hope , even at $120!? There must be some reason nobody has integrated a picatinny rail on a mount , in between the rings.
no you don't.
This channel should be over 1M
Sad that most "gun guys" value entertainment over real info
Makes the 2A weaker
Hop, I really appreciate this content, I'm just getting started with shooting at distance with my 20" rifle stock AR (I know some would say it's not the best AR style to get for closer shooting/4x distance at most, though I've mostly just used irons with it so far) but I got it with the intent to eventually use it at range, and this type of content really helps me get a good idea for how to setup a red dot once I get a scope I like, and actually lists affordable options, which I appreciate as I'm what James Reeves would refer to as one of the "poor's" in jest
(as some of us do things that help people like nursing, delivering food in our free time, working at a machine shop, helping out at our local homeless shelter, doing jobs that require manual labor instead of being an expensive lawyer and UA-camr, but he does do mailroom so I guess minus the free drinks that evens it out)
Also, 2:08 that looks awfully familiar.. I wonder who gave you that for reviewing...
But in seriousness keep up these videos, I've been watching even the videos you recommend as boring and have plenty of PowerPoint slides...
Makes me consider 300blackout if only the ammo was cheap enough... Though you make an excellent case for just skipping 7.62x39
Then again, cheap ammo is a good excuse for a PSA AK...
Until I finally settle down and just go for 300 blackout, and buy some pink furniture if I got an AK to give the wife(she loves pink despite the stereotypes)
But I really love these videos for the few range toys I have/am considering
Even if I disagree just because of cost, as supporting certain charities comes after personal protection, but before range toys
Or at least in my priority list...
Sadly anything involving nighttime without a flashlight is well outside my reach for the foreseeable future...
But please! Keep kicking out awesome videos like this!
Weapons are not toys.
Men should be serious. I know the joke and it is a poor one.
I thank God I have been known as a goofy guy.
Thank you for your great reviews saved me lots of money by simple stuff you said.
Great video hop. Would love one on zeroing, like how good a group has to be before one considers it zeroed. Thanks.
I feel like I recognize that rife in the thumbnail pic....almost like I saw it...very recently. 🙄 😀👍As always; wicked vid, and no nonsense observations/opinions.
Love your videos. Thank you.
Let’s see a review on that Larue slick rail! Love mine but RARELY see them out in the wild.
I've found an offset red dot to be very useful in a couple shooting scenarios. If you have magnified optics, I feel it's worth a try, at least. No hold over at close range is really convenient
For any lefties looking at the Larue mount, the offset RMR is fully ambi. Not sure if that was the case when the video was made, but I ordered one last week and it is reversible left or right side.
What I’ve found best is using a Bobro mount, they usually have one point of rail contact and have allowed me to mount an Arisaka mount beneath the LPVO, it allows me to mount 100% on the receiver, backup irons included
Only problem with Bobro are the spring loaded QD mounts that eventually lose tension as the spring wears out, they don't like to stay latched. A friend got one with an ACOG used and the mount would pop loose under recoil at times.
@@d3ltaohniner261 I think that’s because they’re ARMS mounts, an early QD mount that tends to do that
Very professional review. You are a true shooter!
Great stuff as always Hop! You're what I hope my channel becomes when it grows up. Lol
Another great video Hop.
The RMR on my ACOG on my 7.62x39 AR bonked my head once and got my juices flowing. I set it one further notch forward on the receiver after that.
Piggyback and Off-Set red dots are highly susceptible to your body habitus (general shape) and technique. Meaning what will work for one dude may not work for another simply due to how you mount the rifle. 12 o Clock Red dots work great for me but I am built like a giraffe. You squat battle gnomes may have a better time with a 35-45 degree offset mount.
That thumbnail is what happens when your shorty shorts cuz off blood flow to your head. You won the build off, sir.
Great explanation
I just, got the vector optics Paragon 4x with red dot on top. Works perfectly for me. Give it a try you'll be surprised.
Burris also makes a mount with pic rails on each ring so you could have a red dot on the front or back ring if you really want this style of optic set up.
This video helped me out I think 😂 I have an awesome rifle that I really like with an lpvo but I just got my first NVG and just realized that I can’t passive aim it. Which is all cool bc I planned on buying an IR laser with it but as life does, it got I. The way and I had to put the laser on hold
I don't think this was mentioned but I like an auto-on feature of a red dot to pair with a magnified fixed or variable optic. The ability to have a long lasting battery life on a firearm that's ready to shot as soon as you pick it up is a great benefit, especially on illuminated lpvos that kill batteries. Also not having to reach up and change magnification from higher power when changing to close targets is nice.
Consumer Trend reaction to Hop: PIGGYBACK RMR's ARE DED!
Turn 'em in boys, we march on Trex Arms!!!
Hop your budget AR makes more sense, nuff said
Offsets are just a big compromise, with NV even more. Deltathirtyfour has a 3 part video for people interested in nvg passive shooting with multiple set ups, it's worth checking out
Aero mount with Valhalla Tac offset, it’s lovely
Love your vids hop
Such a great channel!!
Looks cold out there ol' Hop.
digging that larue handguard
Great video Hop! Love the straight forward shit man! Thought I saw an AR in the clips from TFB tv vs Hop 1200 budget build. Waiting to see that video for sure.
Hop video? Automatic watch. Stationary bike playlist ♡
Used Burris PEPR Mount for years . Never had 1 issue with them . 1.6 height with 1913 Rail top Hat MOUNT
Flexing is putting helicopter footage as B roll without even mentioning the helicopter.
It was pretty cool
You can get a (used) light airplane or helicopter for (new) car prices.
This is a good topic. I still run a dot and a magnifier bc of these “problems”
That Hop smile at the 6:32 mark says it all...
2.5-10 with a 200 yard zero and a off set RDS zerod at 25 yards is what I use for 3 gun. Im not good but that what I have found works
Great stuff
Trex's T1/T2 offset mount is sweet for use with scope or mag'd prism optic.
Hop is the best
piggy back rmr on front scope ring of a 1.92 scope mount is the best thing for passive ive used besides just a eotech
yeah I prefer the canted red dot for stability when paired with something like an ACOG, but for NVG passive or higher magnification I see what you are saying with the top mounted config
I run a 3-9x scope with an offset red dot on my GPR. Works well for me.
I just want an Elcan...but good.
Same its my dream optic since my first time using it in arma 3
Dude, I just want a leupold d-Evo but good.
Me too man. Closest we'll probably get are primary arms prism optics with a flip magnifier.
Worth mentioning the Vortex Spitfire 5x Gen2 is has the top-mount built in at the front of the scope, right where you'd want it. Now if only they'd offer the Viper and/or Venom with night vision settings so you don't have to use an adapter plate. I know Primary Arms has tinkered with that forward mount on their higher magnification prism scopes too but I think they've just used a sectino of rail and they're dramatically heavier than the Spitfire 5x even before adding chonk. I think it's a sign the market is moving away from the tried-and-true ACOG solution where it's mounted to the rear.
Hop pumpint the lvpo market!
Damnit hop…I really wanna see your breakdown of the 716 tread
I have a PA 1-8x PLX with and offset red dot. I love the set up. That LPVO has a very good 1x but this set up allows me to stay at 4x 5x without having to turn the LPVO down - I am much faster just tilting the rifle.
I see zero downside to this set up. I have multiple AR's with different set ups. I think its good to familiarize yourself with different options.
But if you were to do it all again, would you do 5x prism + offset red dot to drastically cut down and weight and bulk if you're not using the lower zoom settings?
@@coltonmuri3672 - No not with a fixed prism. My only thing I may switch one of my setups to is the PA 2.5-10x with the offset. At this point I do not need that level of magnifaction so I will stick with the 1-8.....for now.
I do have some other setups with an RDS with a 4x magnifier. Like I said I have a variety of setups and I like varying what I am practicing on.
Watch this video if you havent seen it - ua-cam.com/video/84KBHdpKB1c/v-deo.html
Weight and bulk do not bother me as much as some. Also I do use the lower settings on my LPVO, but the times I am at 4+ that red dot comes in handy.
@@coltonmuri3672 I got a Primary Arms 5x prism to test exactly this. Prism + ADM QD mount + 12 o'clock red dot = 10 oz less weight than my 1-6x Razor and ADM Recon mount.
@@coltonmuri3672 This is what I was thinking too, fixed medium magnification plus offset RDS would be a great combination, but the specs have the 5x weighing 2oz more that the 1-8xPLX which would obviate the advantage for me if accurate. Bulk matters less to me than weight so for two ounces less and more variable range, I'm leaning to the variable+RDS over fixed+RDS. What I would do is a 5x (or even 4x) in a microprism size like PA's 3x; that would be fixed ease of use plus lightweight/compact then offset an RDS.
@@johnq.public4557 That seems unlikely. Remember the mount is included for the PA SLX 5x prism. Total weight is 18.4 oz. The weight of a 1-piece 30mm mount is another 7-8 oz. For a good one.
I have found the fumble from high power to low power on my LPVO and poor stage planning to be an issue. Like engaging targets at 100-200 meters then running 75 yards forgetting to drop magnification then trying to do the lords work up close quickly. I need more practice with 15-50meters. Maybe I will rethink the offset and get more range time.
Purchased a 4x32 fixed power and a 4 screw tube clamp rail mount. Got one longer than i need. In case id want the length. If not i can easily cut it shorter.
Hop just said what Brass facts tried to say yesterday but he’s sober lol.