Secret Invasion was a bad show anyway. It's like The Flash movie lacking Grant Gustin's cameo, they simply don't care about the fans at all, simple as that.
Secret Invasion was my last hope of the MCU throwing us AoS fans a crumb. Couldn't even do that. And the show being a terrible waste of time made that feeling worse.
Skrulls and other shapeshifters love to take the place of people who are about to die, it is one of their favorite things to do, they just love dying in place of people.
I had the same thought lol! Fights with a staff, marries the main bow and arrow guy, blonde, went through a bunch of retcons..... gotta have that bird name.
You mention how often trying to recreate the Captain America super power formula is a plot point that appears everywhere, connected to that I’m always impressed how often side characters end up using some variation of said super soldier serum. In the world of marvel comics it always seems like every single scientist is working on a super soldier serum, and they’re always looking for someone to test their only available copy of said serum. It doesn’t matter who you are if you end up in a hospital in the world of marvel and you don’t already have super powers there’s a 50/50 chance that the doctor has decided that you’d be the perfect test subject for their version of the super soldier serum.
I really like Mockingbird. I started saving up my credits when she was announced so I could get the keys while she was in the spotlight to guarantee I pull her. Managed to get her out turn 1 once because the first location was the collapsed mine and those four rocks count.
Me: Oh cool I’ll get to learn about Mockingbird! I’m assuming she’s a SHIELD agent Nando: After she lets her ghost cowboy rapist die in the late 1800s, a demon creates an army using the souls of Joseph Stalin… Me: what is happening
Interestingly enough one of the members of the army that was summoned was none other than Henrich Himmler the leader of the SS. This could easily have resulted in a plot line in which Magneto upon finding out about Himmlers return teams up with Hawkeye and Mockingbirds team in a attempt to get revenge on Himmler for the death of his family. Himmler was one of the main architects of the Holocaust thus making him partially responsible for the deaths of Magnetos family thus giving Magneto a motive to team up with Hawkeye and Mockingbird’s team in a attempt to get revenge.
she was genuinely so cool in agents of shield, if they ever bring that version of the character back i might even get caught up with the MCU, quake too, they really should bring some of the agents of shield characters into the cannon tbh
@@ping4d064 I saw somewhere that they say “Bird” but I don’t remember. I was mainly going of the MCU wiki and they don’t have Mockingbird listed as a name she used (Except the SDCC).
@@ping4d064No, they never refer to her as Mockingbird or Agent 19 in the show. She’s only ever Agent Barbara “Bobbi” Morse. There is a scene where “Bird” is referenced, but they’re referring to the plane that Bobbi is flying, not Bobbi herself.
I still want Bobbi from Agents of SHIELD to show up in the MCU (maybe a second season of Hawkeye?) and have it revealed that she was a friend of Hawkeye's wife, and she disappeared leaving only the watch... So Hawkeye's wife was a different SHIELD Agent, and just kept the watch as a memento, thinking Bobbi was dead.
I always saw it as Bobbi is Hawkeye's sister-in-law when it came to the MCU, and his wife is the key. S.H.I.E.L.D was compromised, which means that Clint's oldest son would have his information leaked...and that wouldn't make any sense to take him to New York if he's the son of the two greatest super spies, he'd be at the top of every kidnapper's list as he'd have to have a public trace to be classed as a human. However, if Mockingbird is Laura's sister it would make more sense because the watch would be a sentimental keepsake and a lead to Bobbi's location (which she'd need to keep a secret because of the events that took place in Agents of SHIELD)
Yup, that's my head cannon too. Bobbi is Laura's sister. Also would have liked a cameo from her in endgame where she and hunter were hunting down Ronin for Black Widow
Wow, I thought I basically knew what Mockingbird's deal was, but I had no idea she started out as a Ka-Zar supporting character, or had a connection to Man-Thing, or anything about this ghost cowboy nemesis... sheesh! Thanks for the lesson!
Hey, first off great video as always. I just wanted to say that I discovered your channel a couple of weeks ago and honestly going through your old videos has been really helpful for me. Things feel extra heavy lately and your impeccable storytelling about characters I love, your delivery and the way you speak about everything MCU in a positive light instead of leaning on the easy "MSHEU" bs is refreshing and helps me when I'm down! Long winded, and I dunno if you'll see this but I just wanted to let you know I love your content.
Her and Hunter were my favourites in Agents of Shield and when I found out they were getting their own show I was so pumped and excited only to end up immediately betrayed aha
I would like to think Agent 19 (Hawkeye) retired from being a field agent to be a mother and have her first child, and then Bobby Morse (AOS) became agent 19/ mockingbird afterwards almost as a promotion. I hope if we ever get a west coast avengers show or storyline in one of the Disney + series, they bring back Adriana to reprise her role from AOS, wouldn’t be hard to reintroduce her in my opinion, have her team up with Kate Bishop
So my mockingbird knowledge just comes from AoS and then the quick reveal in Hawkeye. Seeing her comic look reminds me of Black Canary. Are there Green Arrow/Black Canary and Hawkeye/Mockingbird parallels or am I just assuming things?
I really liked her character in Agents of SHIELD and really am disappointed that they buried that show and ignore it, rather than keeping it canonical. Considering sticking up the movies' canon was one of the things that really hampered the first season to begin with
I just realized I think I had heard of Mockingbird when you mentioned her being with Hawkeye, if I remember correctly theres some intense romantic drama and shananigans Wait... Archer and Bird fighter, were have I seen this before... hehe
11:47 I'm sorry Nando, but did you not watch No Way Home where Daredevil literally made a cameo? What do you mean there are no other examples of characters from the shows appearing in the movies besides Jarvis? Did you just forget?
It's not so much that he forgot as it is that the pre-Disney Plus MCU shows are generally divided into groups based on where they initially aired and/or where most of the connections are, in this case he's talking about the group of Agents of Shield, Agent Carter, and Inhumans, which is a separate group from the Defenders Saga stuff that includes Daredevil. In other words, he's not saying out of all the pre-Disney Plus shows, he's meaning specifically out of the group of Agents of Shield, Agent Carter, and Inhumans that the butler Jarvis is the only character from that group to appear in the Sacred Timeline of the MCU.
@@lordofninjas1 Except that's not what he said. He said that besides Jarvis there have never been any instances of characters who originated in the shows also appearing later in the movies. He never specified any groups.
@@nathanieldiaz5254 while that's not what he said verbally (at least at that point), that's what he intended by what he said and just said it in a way that was a bit confusing if you take just that bit of it by itself. Looking at the larger context of what was discussed in the video, he had talked about Agents of Shield and such prior to that point throughout the video, so it's clearer that that was what he was meaning.
@@the_amazing_crappo true, though that's in a different Universe and not the MCU Sacred Timeline Universe (199999 or 616 or whatever you want to call it), and this conversation is specifically about characters appearing in the Sacred Timeline Universe, which is why he wasn't mentioned.
Agents of Shield and the other shows are still considered canon. Yes, most of those characters have yet to show up in the movies or Disney Plus series, but it's generally agreed that at this point (and a stance I've held since the beginning) that's not good enough evidence to say that they aren't canon.
Wait Mockingbird AND Carol Danvers were both mind control sexual assaulted, why? Why did Marvel think this was an okay thing to do? Super gross, especially that it wasn't viewed as a big deal.
@@augustmyers339 not that WASN'T the point in either case, at least not while the stories were originally printed. Carol Danvers examples the Avengers were happy to let Carol walk off into the sunset with a man who clearly mind controlled her and raped her. In the above example Hawkeye can't understand why Mockingbird wouldn't save the life of a man who mind controlled her and raped her. In both cases the narrative presented is 'it's not that big a deal' as if it's a bad thing but nothing someone should be that upset or traumatized over. Years later when newer (not gross writers) reevaluated these type of stories they correctly point out how horrific this these events are, that's when you get the Jessica Jones style stories where it's viewed as horrible to mind control someone to have sex with them... but it shouldn't have taken that long to realize it.
It was later retconned that she wasn’t mind controlled and that she actually cheated on Clint with phantom rider the man that kidnapped her she and sue storm have a lot in common 😂and that the whole assault story was what Clint tells himself to cope with being cheated on
I mean, you say Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. isn't canon anymore... and it probably isn't, but you never know, the Netflix Series are canon now apparently, so it could happen. It would be a bit more difficult to justify given everything that happened with the Inhumans in the ABC Verse but still! It could. Hell, the two "YA Series" could too, I may strongly Runaways but I'll take more Cloak & Dagger any day.
Stop trying to make AoS not canon. Feige’s said multiple times that the MCU TV shows are canon, just not the stories they’re focused on bc they don’t want to make them required viewing when they didn’t have their hands in them. In addition, Blackout showed up first in AOS and then in Captain Marvel. You missed him. He was bartending and working on Project Pegasus when he got his powers. That’s why he’s a bartender near Pegasus in Captain Marvel and why they said he was working on Dark Energy research (it’s the Joint Dark Energy Facility) when he got his powers. I’m surprised you also don’t know who Lance Hunter is. He’s the Nick Fury equivalent from the Captain Britain comics. My headcanon is that Laura Barton’s maiden name is Morse and she’s Bobbi’s older sister. After she retired, Bobbi took over her code name/code number, much like Sharon took over from Peggy. You got Laura’s name wrong because her actor‘s name is Linda.
As someone who watched some MCU stuff but never really jumped into the comics, I quite like this series. Keep up the good work!
Do you plan to jump into the comics, the games, the live action shows that came out before Disney +, and all the animated shows?
I agree really great series lol
RIP to all of us who were hoping for an Agent of SHIELD cameo in the Secret Invasion show. All 3 of us.
There are dozens of us! DOZENS!
Secret Invasion was a bad show anyway. It's like The Flash movie lacking Grant Gustin's cameo, they simply don't care about the fans at all, simple as that.
Secret Invasion was my last hope of the MCU throwing us AoS fans a crumb. Couldn't even do that. And the show being a terrible waste of time made that feeling worse.
It’s not like they’d have to spend a ton of money on getting Adrianne Palicki. They could even have gotten Chloe Bennett to pop in as Quake.
@@gingerkid1048 yep, all those actors are cheap. But Feige would much rather acknowledge She-Hulk and Inhumans than a brilliant show like AoS.
Spy's goodbye from agents of shield is one of my favourite scenes from any Marvel show
Between Spy's Goodbye and 4,722 Hours, season 3 was probably Agents of Shield Peak
@@FernandoGonzalez-hu3id I preferred seasons 4 and 5, but those three seasons are up there with Daredevil for me
Skrulls and other shapeshifters love to take the place of people who are about to die, it is one of their favorite things to do, they just love dying in place of people.
Imagine finding out your one purpose in life with an ability as versatile and useful as shapeshifting is to be a person's deathdouble.
She's called Mockingbird because she's Marvel's "Black Canary", obviously.
I had the same thought lol! Fights with a staff, marries the main bow and arrow guy, blonde, went through a bunch of retcons..... gotta have that bird name.
Lmao
You mention how often trying to recreate the Captain America super power formula is a plot point that appears everywhere, connected to that I’m always impressed how often side characters end up using some variation of said super soldier serum.
In the world of marvel comics it always seems like every single scientist is working on a super soldier serum, and they’re always looking for someone to test their only available copy of said serum. It doesn’t matter who you are if you end up in a hospital in the world of marvel and you don’t already have super powers there’s a 50/50 chance that the doctor has decided that you’d be the perfect test subject for their version of the super soldier serum.
I really like Mockingbird. I started saving up my credits when she was announced so I could get the keys while she was in the spotlight to guarantee I pull her.
Managed to get her out turn 1 once because the first location was the collapsed mine and those four rocks count.
Me: Oh cool I’ll get to learn about Mockingbird! I’m assuming she’s a SHIELD agent
Nando: After she lets her ghost cowboy rapist die in the late 1800s, a demon creates an army using the souls of Joseph Stalin…
Me: what is happening
Comics are stupid sometimes.
How could he even die if he was already a ghost?
Interestingly enough one of the members of the army that was summoned was none other than Henrich Himmler the leader of the SS. This could easily have resulted in a plot line in which Magneto upon finding out about Himmlers return teams up with Hawkeye and Mockingbirds team in a attempt to get revenge on Himmler for the death of his family. Himmler was one of the main architects of the Holocaust thus making him partially responsible for the deaths of Magnetos family thus giving Magneto a motive to team up with Hawkeye and Mockingbird’s team in a attempt to get revenge.
she was genuinely so cool in agents of shield, if they ever bring that version of the character back i might even get caught up with the MCU, quake too, they really should bring some of the agents of shield characters into the cannon tbh
Hawkeye's wife was Agent 19, retired to have a family, Bobbi Morse became new Agent 19.
So... why not Agent 20 xP
I hope they do this. Adrianne Palicki's Bobbi Morse deserves it, and she'd fit right in with the remaining Avengers.
In AoS Bobbi is never referred to as Mockingbird or Agent 19, in the SDCC 2014 announcement she’s called Mockingbird but I don’t think that’s cannon
i might be misremembering but i think they finally reference her being mockingbird around the time she leaves the show
@@ping4d064 I saw somewhere that they say “Bird” but I don’t remember. I was mainly going of the MCU wiki and they don’t have Mockingbird listed as a name she used (Except the SDCC).
@@ping4d064No, they never refer to her as Mockingbird or Agent 19 in the show. She’s only ever Agent Barbara “Bobbi” Morse. There is a scene where “Bird” is referenced, but they’re referring to the plane that Bobbi is flying, not Bobbi herself.
I still want Bobbi from Agents of SHIELD to show up in the MCU (maybe a second season of Hawkeye?) and have it revealed that she was a friend of Hawkeye's wife, and she disappeared leaving only the watch... So Hawkeye's wife was a different SHIELD Agent, and just kept the watch as a memento, thinking Bobbi was dead.
yeah Feige is ignoring AoS as hard as he can. Apparently he'd rather make Inhumans and She-Hulk canon than Agents of SHIELD.
I always saw it as Bobbi is Hawkeye's sister-in-law when it came to the MCU, and his wife is the key. S.H.I.E.L.D was compromised, which means that Clint's oldest son would have his information leaked...and that wouldn't make any sense to take him to New York if he's the son of the two greatest super spies, he'd be at the top of every kidnapper's list as he'd have to have a public trace to be classed as a human. However, if Mockingbird is Laura's sister it would make more sense because the watch would be a sentimental keepsake and a lead to Bobbi's location (which she'd need to keep a secret because of the events that took place in Agents of SHIELD)
Same here. Maybe Laura was the og Mockingbird, and when she retired she passed the name to her little sister or something.
Yup, that's my head cannon too. Bobbi is Laura's sister. Also would have liked a cameo from her in endgame where she and hunter were hunting down Ronin for Black Widow
Shocked that mockingbird has such a convoluted history tbh
Wow, I thought I basically knew what Mockingbird's deal was, but I had no idea she started out as a Ka-Zar supporting character, or had a connection to Man-Thing, or anything about this ghost cowboy nemesis... sheesh! Thanks for the lesson!
Of all the characters you've done for this series, this is the first one that I've been basically entirely clueless on who they are. Thanks dawgie
I see that Goblin Queen behind you. I just bought her and Nightcrawler at GameStop a few days ago. They’re both great figures.
Mockingbird also has telepathy... a power I didn't even know she had until her solo series from a couple years ago.
Yeah Mockingbird. Shocking she hasn't been in the MCU movies yet (know she was on Agents of Shield and Hawkeyes wife maybe)
Love these videos, just got into marvel snap yesterday cuz of it
I read the Unstoppable wasp series a few months ago, and Nadia’s relationship with Bobbi was really cute.
Hey, first off great video as always. I just wanted to say that I discovered your channel a couple of weeks ago and honestly going through your old videos has been really helpful for me. Things feel extra heavy lately and your impeccable storytelling about characters I love, your delivery and the way you speak about everything MCU in a positive light instead of leaning on the easy "MSHEU" bs is refreshing and helps me when I'm down! Long winded, and I dunno if you'll see this but I just wanted to let you know I love your content.
Her and Hunter were my favourites in Agents of Shield and when I found out they were getting their own show I was so pumped and excited only to end up immediately betrayed aha
I would like to think Agent 19 (Hawkeye) retired from being a field agent to be a mother and have her first child, and then Bobby Morse (AOS) became agent 19/ mockingbird afterwards almost as a promotion. I hope if we ever get a west coast avengers show or storyline in one of the Disney + series, they bring back Adriana to reprise her role from AOS, wouldn’t be hard to reintroduce her in my opinion, have her team up with Kate Bishop
Mockingbird played a major role + was in a relationship with Spider-Man during the "Spider-Man Worldwide" run around 2014
I only knew her as Hawkeye's wife for the series, cool her background is more interesting than I expected
Cool video man keep it up
I've been playing snap since release, I love these great videos, a lot of catching up🎉🎉
“Oh I wish I could kill Hawkeye but … ehh who has the time?” 😂😂😂😂
So my mockingbird knowledge just comes from AoS and then the quick reveal in Hawkeye. Seeing her comic look reminds me of Black Canary. Are there Green Arrow/Black Canary and Hawkeye/Mockingbird parallels or am I just assuming things?
Big MCU fan but only have surface knowledge of the comics, nice to get these deep dives on some characters I don't really know
Mockingbird + Hawkeye = Green Arrow + Black Canary.
Best couples!
Never gonna miss these videos
She had a kind of important role in the Marvel Avengers Alliance game on Facebook way back in the early 2010's
I love this series so much 😊
i literally made the same exact observation about all the red haired girls synergizing with each other yesterday hahahaha
Could you make a video talking about cards you would want to make?
Hey Nando could you cover all the characters from Weapon X. Thanks
Mockingbird's card is also pretty good in Ka-Zar and Shanna decks, since they like spamming small cards
Hey Nando, great vid. learned something new. Question...Where can I find that screen saver you have on your computer? D you own that?
I really liked her character in Agents of SHIELD and really am disappointed that they buried that show and ignore it, rather than keeping it canonical. Considering sticking up the movies' canon was one of the things that really hampered the first season to begin with
It's been a long time since I've played snap but 9 power seems like a whole lot for someone who is usually just a normal person in the source material
I just realized I think I had heard of Mockingbird when you mentioned her being with Hawkeye, if I remember correctly theres some intense romantic drama and shananigans
Wait... Archer and Bird fighter, were have I seen this before... hehe
11:47 I'm sorry Nando, but did you not watch No Way Home where Daredevil literally made a cameo?
What do you mean there are no other examples of characters from the shows appearing in the movies besides Jarvis?
Did you just forget?
It's not so much that he forgot as it is that the pre-Disney Plus MCU shows are generally divided into groups based on where they initially aired and/or where most of the connections are, in this case he's talking about the group of Agents of Shield, Agent Carter, and Inhumans, which is a separate group from the Defenders Saga stuff that includes Daredevil.
In other words, he's not saying out of all the pre-Disney Plus shows, he's meaning specifically out of the group of Agents of Shield, Agent Carter, and Inhumans that the butler Jarvis is the only character from that group to appear in the Sacred Timeline of the MCU.
@@lordofninjas1 Except that's not what he said. He said that besides Jarvis there have never been any instances of characters who originated in the shows also appearing later in the movies. He never specified any groups.
@@nathanieldiaz5254 while that's not what he said verbally (at least at that point), that's what he intended by what he said and just said it in a way that was a bit confusing if you take just that bit of it by itself. Looking at the larger context of what was discussed in the video, he had talked about Agents of Shield and such prior to that point throughout the video, so it's clearer that that was what he was meaning.
Anson Mount as Blackbolt too.
@@the_amazing_crappo true, though that's in a different Universe and not the MCU Sacred Timeline Universe (199999 or 616 or whatever you want to call it), and this conversation is specifically about characters appearing in the Sacred Timeline Universe, which is why he wasn't mentioned.
Agents of Shield and the other shows are still considered canon. Yes, most of those characters have yet to show up in the movies or Disney Plus series, but it's generally agreed that at this point (and a stance I've held since the beginning) that's not good enough evidence to say that they aren't canon.
Lots to cover.
Wait Mockingbird AND Carol Danvers were both mind control sexual assaulted, why? Why did Marvel think this was an okay thing to do? Super gross, especially that it wasn't viewed as a big deal.
Isn’t that the whole point, that’s it’s gross and disgusting. That’s basically what the first season of the Jessica Jones show was about
@@augustmyers339 not that WASN'T the point in either case, at least not while the stories were originally printed.
Carol Danvers examples the Avengers were happy to let Carol walk off into the sunset with a man who clearly mind controlled her and raped her. In the above example Hawkeye can't understand why Mockingbird wouldn't save the life of a man who mind controlled her and raped her. In both cases the narrative presented is 'it's not that big a deal' as if it's a bad thing but nothing someone should be that upset or traumatized over.
Years later when newer (not gross writers) reevaluated these type of stories they correctly point out how horrific this these events are, that's when you get the Jessica Jones style stories where it's viewed as horrible to mind control someone to have sex with them... but it shouldn't have taken that long to realize it.
Can't wait to build Red-Haired Women Turbo!
If the mcu doesn’t get rebooted soon, just make Hawkeye’s kid the new Mockingbird down the line.
Pretty sure Hawkeye was referenced in AoS
I now want to make a Red-headed Women deck
It was later retconned that she wasn’t mind controlled and that she actually cheated on Clint with phantom rider the man that kidnapped her she and sue storm have a lot in common 😂and that the whole assault story was what Clint tells himself to cope with being cheated on
I mean, you say Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. isn't canon anymore... and it probably isn't, but you never know, the Netflix Series are canon now apparently, so it could happen.
It would be a bit more difficult to justify given everything that happened with the Inhumans in the ABC Verse but still! It could. Hell, the two "YA Series" could too, I may strongly Runaways but I'll take more Cloak & Dagger any day.
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what the hell i was just reading WC Avengers
There was a werewolf film!?!?
Werewolf by Night on Disney+
Kazar (kay-zar not ka-zar) 🤙🏾
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Nando why do you have a potato with googly eyes on it?
Its a rock from EEAAO
It's a Charl from Patrick H Willems' channel.
Also, it's a coconut, not a potato.
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typhoid works the opposite lol shes worse the more cards on your board
Stop trying to make AoS not canon. Feige’s said multiple times that the MCU TV shows are canon, just not the stories they’re focused on bc they don’t want to make them required viewing when they didn’t have their hands in them.
In addition, Blackout showed up first in AOS and then in Captain Marvel. You missed him. He was bartending and working on Project Pegasus when he got his powers. That’s why he’s a bartender near Pegasus in Captain Marvel and why they said he was working on Dark Energy research (it’s the Joint Dark Energy Facility) when he got his powers.
I’m surprised you also don’t know who Lance Hunter is. He’s the Nick Fury equivalent from the Captain Britain comics.
My headcanon is that Laura Barton’s maiden name is Morse and she’s Bobbi’s older sister. After she retired, Bobbi took over her code name/code number, much like Sharon took over from Peggy.
You got Laura’s name wrong because her actor‘s name is Linda.
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If you don’t have a passing familiarity with mockingbird can you really call yourself a real fan of marvel comics
I had to stop watching this after less than 3 minutes. The way he pronounces Kazar really bothers me for some reason 🤣
ask me about my feminist agenda
I know all stories are made up but this sounds made up lol.
"Seventeen, Eighteen, THIRTEEN!"
"Nineteen sir."
"NINETEEN!"