Who is Hope Summers? - The Mutant Messiah

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  • @davidlee8555
    @davidlee8555 9 місяців тому +71

    3:40 One would also be forgiven for thinking she's Cable's (another Summers) biological daughter

    • @lucasstiemsma7904
      @lucasstiemsma7904 9 місяців тому +2

      That’s what I thought since I’ve not read many stories with her

    • @uncannydcmarvelous5732
      @uncannydcmarvelous5732 8 місяців тому +1

      In the Deadpool 2 movie they did made her that

  • @RobOlivierbjr64
    @RobOlivierbjr64 9 місяців тому +72

    Hope is also capable of augmenting a mutant’s ability a lot like Fabian Cortez and she can activate a mutant’s X-gene. Synch can recall powers of mutants and non-mutants that he has “synched” up with. He has also shown the ability to recall multiple powers as well.

    • @thisscreensucks
      @thisscreensucks 9 місяців тому

      So exactly what he said.
      Every comment is some dork thinking he's "correcting" nando. Then they're really just rephrasing everything he said.

    • @RobOlivierbjr64
      @RobOlivierbjr64 9 місяців тому +10

      @@thisscreensucksI wasn’t trying to correct Nando, more like adding to the information he was giving; sorry if it came across differently…ty😎

  • @liamlennon3316
    @liamlennon3316 7 місяців тому +8

    Now Hope actually is Jean's daughter. They just established in the recent X-men forever comic that Jean + Phoenix impregnated Hope's mom

  • @Tuaron
    @Tuaron 9 місяців тому +10

    I actually really like Hope. One of my biggest/first real comic "projects" I undertook was reading from the start of the Mutant Messiah arc through the end of Utopia, then to Krakoa, covering most of the big X titles of the time, including the Cable run where he raises her. I liked her in Krakoa, too, but I am less pleased with her (and most stuff) post-Fall. I think Kieron Gillen knew how to write her best, but I am a fan.

  • @LeoChaseTheMythMaster
    @LeoChaseTheMythMaster 9 місяців тому +19

    Love these kind of videos.
    Also thanks for being a great inspiration.

  • @brianferreira7277
    @brianferreira7277 9 місяців тому +10

    Synch can also crank up other people’s powers. He did it with Jubilee’s powers in his first appearance.

  • @stevencooper564
    @stevencooper564 9 місяців тому +23

    Wow, I honestly thought I had a pretty good knowledge of X Men characters, but I had always assumed she was at least somehow related to Scott, but I've always believed that in the marvel universe if your name is Summers or Richards you're probably one of the most important characters, so I guess that's why? It's just very odd to have a mutant character share a surname with another big mutant character and not be related.

    • @klaudyd1552
      @klaudyd1552 9 місяців тому +10

      If anything Cable adopted her so technically Scott is her Grandfather. They both have joked about this from time to time

    • @lordofninjas1
      @lordofninjas1 9 місяців тому +2

      I mean, it's not as confusing as it seems. Sure she isn't genetically related to Cyclops or any of them, but she has the Summers name because Cable (Nathan Summers) is her adoptive father, he's the guy that raised her, so he's basically the only dad she's ever known. It's similar to a child taking their stepfathers surname when the stepdad adopts them.
      Basically, they are still related, its just related by adoption instead of related by genetics.

    • @Tuaron
      @Tuaron 9 місяців тому +3

      Yeah, she's the adopted daughter of Cable (she calls him Dad, he regards her as daughter), and she has kinda referred to Scott as her grandpa, so it's not wrong to think of her as part of the family, just not by blood.

    • @christopherbennett5858
      @christopherbennett5858 9 місяців тому

      @@TuaronHere’s what I want to know; Does Maddie know that Hope is her Granddaughter?
      Because I would love to see them interact.

    • @Tuaron
      @Tuaron 9 місяців тому

      @@christopherbennett5858 Didn't come up in Dark Web (essentially Inferno 2), and I don't remember it being brought up when Maddy was brought back in the Hellions series. Maybe in the current Dark X-Men run (I'm not caught up), but I doubt it.

  • @serendiggiity6506
    @serendiggiity6506 9 місяців тому +2

    ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS STYLE OF VIDEO NANDO!!!! The lore was full of depth but snappy and nicely contained and tho i havent played marvel snap in a while i liked to hear the theory craft of why her card design is the way it is based on comics

  • @TubezThe1
    @TubezThe1 9 місяців тому +5

    Sync's power is more like an "anything you can do,i can do better"where he knows how ti do things with people powers they dont know, but unlike Hope, he isnt limited to mutants. He's stnchrd with Spider-Man before & recently with Venom & Juggernaut.

    • @audacityofyouth7051
      @audacityofyouth7051 9 місяців тому

      Not really, Hope is able to use people’s powers to the same level as Synch, and has shown the power to shut down other people’s mutant powers as seen with her fight with Exodus.

  • @jessicamarfoldi3011
    @jessicamarfoldi3011 9 місяців тому +2

    Mannnn u gotta start adding reading guides on how to read these characters and everything you explained at the end of these videos

  • @martofel
    @martofel 9 місяців тому +2

    Very much appreciate these videos! Hope’s power is here to balance the game. Very much welcomed into the world of Marvel Snap! Thanks again!

  • @igitot
    @igitot 9 місяців тому

    THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING THIS SERIES

  • @klaudyd1552
    @klaudyd1552 9 місяців тому +3

    Loving this series tbh. Hope and Sunspot gonna be clutch in the game
    In Bishops timeline a child was Born with mutant abilities and this killed a million people in Six minutes. This was dubbed the Six minute War and was the reason bishop decides to try and get rid of hope as a baby, he believed that this was the child just born earlier.
    Hope is also a Mutant Amplifier for other mutants so they can use their powers at max.

  • @polyhymnea1426
    @polyhymnea1426 7 місяців тому +1

    15:17 since today, this video aged like fine wine

  • @blackshard641
    @blackshard641 9 місяців тому +8

    Deadpool refers to himself as Marvel Jesus, not mutant Jesus.

  • @livimarmarchan1359
    @livimarmarchan1359 6 місяців тому +1

    now we know that Hope is jeans daughter

  • @huntertzou4508
    @huntertzou4508 9 місяців тому

    I've watched your videos about movies, but also happen to be a marvel snap player, so I'm really happy you're doing these! Keep up the good work!

  • @zachanikwano
    @zachanikwano 6 місяців тому +1

    Mmmmm probably a better read (and thanks for the recs), but from the sound of what you’ve said, Hope Summers is one of those “super OP pet character.” Which I expect from fanfiction but not from the big companions.
    This feels like too much too fast when all put together. First mutant birth after Decimation; everyone wants her, to be around her or to kill her; raised by the son of Jean and Cyclops; Her power is anything she wants within distance (and she master it instantly AND greatly amplify it); also she has the phoenix force; IS WORSHIPED AS A GOD.
    Like I thought Damien was too much back in the day but he’s grown on me.

  • @audacityofyouth7051
    @audacityofyouth7051 9 місяців тому +2

    I would love for them to do a Mutant Gods story with mutants who have been put on this pedestal, Nate Grey, Legion, Hope Summers, Storm, Exodus, Jean Grey, and so on. The main fight would probably be Nate vs Hope.

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 9 місяців тому

      So many mutants have ridiculous power creep, like Iceman went from a generic ice manipulator who was made of snow to now a guy who has limitless freezing and ice potential, able to freeze hell.
      Also I'm shocked they have done a mutant that can just full on, take a mutant's abilities. Not fading and no extra life force like rogue, just able to steal a person's mutation.

    • @audacityofyouth7051
      @audacityofyouth7051 9 місяців тому

      @@ProjektTaku they’ve had mutants that can deactivate X-genes and stop others from using their abilities. But I see what you mean. And yeah the power creep has been crazy, they’ve been buffing up too many characters. I love Rogue but she didn’t need to be buffed to the point she can use her absorption powers without touching someone.

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 9 місяців тому +1

      @@audacityofyouth7051 True, lots of nullifiers. I do think the power creep has gotten far too ridiculous, the whole "touch to absorb" was Rogues whole thing and taking away her one limitation is quite lame. Same as when they try to make Pyro and Iceman rivals nowadays. One needs a fire source to use his powers and isn't even all that hot, while the other can just make ice and freeze anything.

    • @audacityofyouth7051
      @audacityofyouth7051 9 місяців тому +1

      @@ProjektTaku yeah. If anyone should rival Iceman it should be Sunspot or Firestar in terms of power. But they lost me with Iceman when they said he can basically “stop time” by stopping motion

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku 9 місяців тому

      @@audacityofyouth7051 at least those guys have more than "I manipulate fire!". I like Iceman, but I have no idea why they are so insistent on making him to most overpowered ice user ever. Its especially strange when you consider Marvel's most popular speedster, Quicksilver, has very little power creep and new abilities.

  • @kylehunter3778
    @kylehunter3778 9 місяців тому +1

    Super appreciate these videos! Keep up the good work

  • @rudeboyjohn3483
    @rudeboyjohn3483 9 місяців тому

    I super respect this content. Also, pretty sure I spotted you in that second season of Miracle Workers...as the bard

  • @jakipop3397
    @jakipop3397 9 місяців тому +3

    You know, high school age- 13.

  • @I.Simmonds
    @I.Simmonds 9 місяців тому +2

    From this video, no wonder they put Hope on resurrections duty. Maxed her stats, maxed her training, little to tie here to the present except "that's where she keeps her stuff" . I suppose they can grow here emotionally...But there seems little direction her her character can develop. I would use Hope as an example of how not to make a character.

    • @zachanikwano
      @zachanikwano 6 місяців тому

      For real tho.
      Or make her a villain. I will accept op characters if you make them great villains.

  • @HappeChappe
    @HappeChappe 9 місяців тому

    I wasn't super familiar with her character but she seems really cool! Thanks for the video, really been enjoying these. I love Marvel SNAP and Marvel but not always familiar with some of these characters.

  • @MirzaAliQasimRaza
    @MirzaAliQasimRaza 9 місяців тому +2

    I love these deep cut vids of urs ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @Timewarpiaman
    @Timewarpiaman 8 місяців тому

    The thing is if I recall Hope couldn't take down Asgardian Empowered Juggernaut, they had to go to Cyttorak first and get him to strip Cain of the Juggernaut powers to stand a chance at beating him.

  • @jarenbrownlee9196
    @jarenbrownlee9196 9 місяців тому

    Loving this series!

  • @str1k3r_67
    @str1k3r_67 9 місяців тому

    You actuality have a really good point, Thanos is always called a great card, but he only gives you the stones. You don't see him played as much as you'd think based on the abilities of the stones.

  • @dontcare8394
    @dontcare8394 9 місяців тому +2

    Do Jean Grey

  • @NoahFan114
    @NoahFan114 9 місяців тому +2

    Deadpool said MARVEL Jesus, not Mutant Jesus.

  • @CarlosHernandez-xo7js
    @CarlosHernandez-xo7js 8 місяців тому

    Funny how in the comics the Scarlet Witch teaches Hope to use her powers, but in the video for the season pass they are fighting

  • @SilverStrumer
    @SilverStrumer 8 місяців тому

    She’s like a cross of Rogue and Jean Grey but can fuse powers as well

  • @kdesperado6529
    @kdesperado6529 9 місяців тому +2

    Please Please do these videos for all the Marvel snap cards PLease Please

  • @FinnyThePoo
    @FinnyThePoo 9 місяців тому

    I feel called out. I'm the guy who tries to make Scott and Jean work together: it's... Ok.
    Jean kind of fixes the issue of your opponent just avoiding playing other cards opposite your Cyclops (with High Evolutionary obviously) so you can force them to take those -1s, and cards like Sunspot, Nebula, and Misty Knight help build power in other lanes even while you're forced to keep adding to Jean's location (unfortunately you do have to dedicate a turn to playing a 3/3, which is not great). But when everyone expects you to play your Hulk into the last spot of Jean's location on the final turn you can fake them out by using Wasp and putting Hulk someplace else which is fun.
    Not the best way to play High Evolutionary, but a way most people won't be familiar with.

  • @MattHorton
    @MattHorton 8 місяців тому +1

    House of X (ex) and Powers of X (ten)

  • @OldManShoutsAtClouds
    @OldManShoutsAtClouds 9 місяців тому

    She pairs incredibly well with both Cyclops and Jean Grey lol

  • @kenroycherrington148
    @kenroycherrington148 7 місяців тому

    @thenandocut Apparently, and I could be wrong, Synch man replicate [Eventually keep] mutants and nonmutants' powers while Hope can only replicate mutants powers. Let me know if I'm wrong or right!

  • @ikeralvarezmovievideosarch8877
    @ikeralvarezmovievideosarch8877 9 місяців тому +1

    When you find a video early on link only lol

  • @Stephenjosephbell
    @Stephenjosephbell 9 місяців тому

    I read avengers X-men and was so confused that she wasn’t related to Scott and Jean 😭
    Thank you for clearing that up

  • @OtakuJuanma2
    @OtakuJuanma2 9 місяців тому

    You should make these for older cards too like you want for Ebony Maw.

  • @StarkMaximum
    @StarkMaximum 9 місяців тому +2

    I have a genuine question and I hope it doesn't come off as ignorant, but is Hope kind of a Mary Sue? I've been looking into her because I like her design and powerset, but it just seems like any summary I find of her plays up how amazing and incredible she is. Like she's the mutant messiah that brings all the mutants back, sure. She was trained by Cable in a war-torn future, sure. But everything about her just seems like "and she has the best powers and she's always good at everything and she has all the coolest guns and everyone likes her and and and". Like it's weird to hear someone describe three or four different entire characters that Hope just makes obsolete, like it's one thing that she can copy powers, that's cool, but the idea of "she can also ignore any mental limits or need to train, so when she copies a mutant's powers she's immediately *better* than them at it" just seems kinda bullshit. It feels like Rogue and Hope were two characters made for a freeform roleplay where Rogue was made early on when there were rules about how powerful your stuff could be, but then Hope is a character made a long time later who's just like "well those rules are old and stupid and get in the way of me making a powerful character".
    She also kinda has that modern "strong woman" vibe where it feels like her only character traits are "good at fight, good at shoot, takes no shit" and yet everyone in the franchise is like "we love her, she's so cool, I hope she'll shake my hand". Again, war-torn future, but that usually just feels like an excuse to sort of skimp on making an interesting woman character because you can just make her "a badass" and be done.

    • @robertsimon2885
      @robertsimon2885 9 місяців тому +1

      Not really. She struggles to deal with being the Mutant Messiah, she can be stubborn, and not everyone likes her. It's mostly Mutants. But Bishop wanted to kill her.

    • @StarkMaximum
      @StarkMaximum 9 місяців тому

      @@robertsimon2885 Bishop wanting to kill her doesn't count because he's just the antagonist for that story. That's not a character thing, that's just a "we need a bad guy" thing. And "She has to deal with having incredible powers" also doesn't really deepen her character, it's just "we wanted a super powerful character so we made that and now her downside is she's _too_ powerful oh no how will she manage, perhaps by shooting lasers". It's like saying someone's weakness is "too nice" or they're "too hard working", it's taking a positive and _trying_ to twist it into a negative because you don't have any other negatives to say.
      Also, "she can be stubborn", yeah her and 75% of the Marvel universe. Also it's not even "she is and it causes problems", it's "she can be" which implies that when it's important for her to not be stubborn then she can not be.

    • @kalamari1611
      @kalamari1611 7 місяців тому

      Did you read the books with her?

    • @StarkMaximum
      @StarkMaximum 7 місяців тому

      @@kalamari1611 No, that's why I'm asking on a video so people who know better than I do can inform me. They're on my list of stuff to read, but she has a long history and I've been busy with other things.

  • @Murdolph
    @Murdolph 9 місяців тому

    I love this series.

  • @sinningcieje
    @sinningcieje 9 місяців тому

    Change the Thanos card into the Infinity Gauntlet and make a new Thanos card. Maintains the stones being good.

  • @tylerpeterson6133
    @tylerpeterson6133 9 місяців тому +1

    Soooo Hope Muad'dib Summers

  • @Till27_Spence
    @Till27_Spence 9 місяців тому +1

    Deadpool says he’s marvel Jesus champ 😂 1:40. Not mutant Jesus

  • @banshee25
    @banshee25 9 місяців тому

    No love for Mimic. Power mimicry from all the way back in Xmen #19.
    His powers are kinda whatever the writer wants but first it was permanently the first 5, but in Exiles he could mimic up to 5 mutants once he spends about an hour in their proximity but better if longer. His version is lesser than the original but he instantly gets the user knowledge and avoids mental blocks.

  • @lordofninjas1
    @lordofninjas1 9 місяців тому

    You mention that you'd like there to be an X-Men show where the characters are already established and then bring in Hope. I assume you probably meant that more in a live-action sense, but would you not count X-Men '97 as that since it's continuing from X-Men: the Animated Series so everything is already established and we see appearances from some other non-Mutant Marvel characters in that Universe like Spider-Man, Captain America, and Carol Danvers? we already know X-Men '97 is getting a Season 2, maybe there we'll get the Messiah Complex and HoXPoX stories and such. There's been nearly 30 years of Mutant stories that the series can tell since it's original ending in 1997, we can get a lot of those stories and characters in X-Men '97.

  • @herbox
    @herbox 9 місяців тому +1

    I just recently read Second Coming and now reading generation hope. She is VERY good, I like her a lot. Please tell me her reunion with cable will be good once I get to the point where he comes back from the dead.

  • @SpendLoudNite
    @SpendLoudNite 8 місяців тому

    He says Marvel Jesus

  • @ATOMIX4204
    @ATOMIX4204 9 місяців тому +1

    Minor nitpick, not unlike your podcast, but I believe it’s supposed to be read as House of X and Powers of 10(Roman numeral X)

    • @user-up2ku4pf9v
      @user-up2ku4pf9v 9 місяців тому

      I can’t tell if you are serious or not haha

  • @RoadtoArkham
    @RoadtoArkham 9 місяців тому

    I hate AvX with a passion I can hardly contain, but I do love Hope.

  • @QazwerDave
    @QazwerDave 9 місяців тому +1

    Why is she named Summers then ?!

    • @Mahdster
      @Mahdster 9 місяців тому

      Nate summer’s adopted her

    • @QazwerDave
      @QazwerDave 9 місяців тому

      @@Mahdster Why is Nate a Summers ?

    • @christopherbennett5858
      @christopherbennett5858 9 місяців тому +3

      @@QazwerDaveNot Nate Grey.
      Nathan Summers aka Cable.
      Aka the son of Cyclops and Maddie.

  • @1bruceeric
    @1bruceeric 9 місяців тому

    Sure are some Synch haters here. Recently Synch pretty much evolved to Omega level

  • @Telekinetic01
    @Telekinetic01 8 місяців тому

    Hot hands lol!!

  • @billiejeanreal
    @billiejeanreal 8 місяців тому

    She seems broken

  • @Mahdster
    @Mahdster 9 місяців тому +1

    Synch 100% can do your power better than you

    • @1bruceeric
      @1bruceeric 9 місяців тому

      Exactly. Sure are some Synch haters in this comment section

  • @RafaelEstrada
    @RafaelEstrada 9 місяців тому

    The music was weird 😅

  • @deaf-tomcat
    @deaf-tomcat 9 місяців тому

    i don't like AvX. there's a lot of really good covers and spreads, but I was so disappointed by it lmao. I bought the big graphic novel and just hated it by the end. loved the phoenix 5 though. very hot and sexy of them. wish they let them wreck havoc for longer. (i love my problematic king Namor even if he did drown Wakanda lol)

    • @uncannydcmarvelous5732
      @uncannydcmarvelous5732 8 місяців тому

      Yeah Bendis made both the Avengers and X-Men as big hipocrites for the versus to happen.

  • @skydivingintofiction7532
    @skydivingintofiction7532 7 місяців тому

    You mean baby right

  • @MattBarrIsTricky
    @MattBarrIsTricky 9 місяців тому

    Hasn't Krakoa been the place where various characters, including the island itself, have been cloning, combining and copying mutants through various devices for like 30 years now in the comics? I'd guess that'd be why playing a card copies its power to the next one.
    Don't quote me though. I've been reading fewer and fewer comics over time so this is all based off shoddy memories of what I've read. I do remember a book (not comic book) from years back though where Krak was draining mutants to create clones.

    • @christopherbennett5858
      @christopherbennett5858 9 місяців тому +1

      Okay, on Krakoa, the mutants had made a deal with it; they can live on it and the island siphons off a tiny bit of their life force. Essentially, with enough people, Krakoa only gives a mild headache when you come on board. Of course, more can be siphoned off but that only happened twice.
      So, essentially, Cerebro has been backing up everyone’s minds on a regular basis for years. Roughly ten years before Krakoa is a nation.
      However, the resurrection process has only been going for a little bit.
      They use 5 mutants for the resurrection.
      Egg releases large unfertilised egg spheres. He used to be called Golden Balls until this was discovered.
      Two mutants, Elixir and proteus, would inject the sample of the deceased mutant into the egg, stimulating cell growth and catalysing things.
      Tempus would age the Egg up to create the husk.
      Hope was the one that could unify their powers into a circuit.
      Then, a telepath could put the memories of the backup into the husk.
      Now, later on, it is revealed that the soul does return to the body. However, some exceptions have occurred. So, for most cases, they are the original person.

  • @moondevell
    @moondevell 9 місяців тому +4

    First Hope appearance in the MCU and get ready for all the "woke hope" "woke complex" "hope os woke" UA-cam videos. I love Marvel, but let me tell you the online fandom is toxic as Fu*$@

    • @christopherbennett5858
      @christopherbennett5858 9 місяців тому +1

      Which is always funny because we will all be scratching our heads going “Excuse me, this is X men. At what point wasn’t it about people coming together against discrimination?”

    • @gameinsane4718
      @gameinsane4718 9 місяців тому

      @@christopherbennett5858 “this is an X-Men comic, the leaders of our 2 rival faction of minority stand-ins were inspired by civil rights leaders”

    • @christopherbennett5858
      @christopherbennett5858 9 місяців тому

      @@gameinsane4718 Unfortunately, people always go for the idea of it being MLK vs Malcolm X.
      In reality, it’s more like the Israeli Prime Ministers Ben Gurion for Xavier and Menachem Begin for Magneto.

  • @timburbagereads
    @timburbagereads 9 місяців тому +1

    So this is the most Mary Sue of all time?

    • @ivoandre8345
      @ivoandre8345 9 місяців тому +1

      A character can be very powerful and still have their own struggles. Think superman or even another mutant such as Jean Grey. Both naturally powerful characters but that power can also be a huge reponsability and/or burden to carry.
      Not to mention that Hope Summers was raised and trained by Cable since she was a baby. You think spending your childhood being trained by Cable is easy? She's not a Mary Sue.

    • @ivoandre8345
      @ivoandre8345 9 місяців тому +1

      Oh, and also, a character that relies on being around powerful people for her to be powerful herself doesn't sound like a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue is usually the "I don't need anyone else" type. Hope needs other people, friends, just as much as they might need her.

    • @timburbagereads
      @timburbagereads 9 місяців тому

      @@ivoandre8345 I disagree, but that's okay. I would say having someone who takes other people's powers, but also ends up better at them than the original person is very Mary Sue-ish. It's like a copycat kid in the playground. I also haveb't read the comics. I'm just going from the descriptions in this video. Goku is a Mary Sue according to power level and the plot, but you don't notice it because he is such a goofball. It could be something similar here.

  • @kapoorhouseatl
    @kapoorhouseatl 9 місяців тому +2

    knock it off with the marvel snap

    • @bennett4789
      @bennett4789 9 місяців тому +5

      its a shockingly fun game, dont be a hater

    • @deanospimoniful
      @deanospimoniful 9 місяців тому +4

      Just skip the video if you don't want to hear about it.