Why you're WRONG about Rick And Morty's TOXIC FANDOM (ft Bojack Horseman)
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
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Music:
Undertale - Another Medium
Undertale - can you really call this a hotel i didn't receive a mint on my pillow or anything
Undertale - Chill
Undertale - Song that might play when you fight sans
Hodor song - • A Game of Hodor (Hodor...
"Your fandom is bad and you should feel bad."
-almost everyone at me for everything I'm a fan of
That's probably cause you're a weeb.
terrible writing advice reference?!?
I remember reading something about this sort of concept called "The One Percent Theory" that I think sums up this whole situation perfectly.
Basically it's idea is that no matter what your fandom is about or even how big it is, no matter what, there is always going to be 1% of people in a fandom are just going to be absolutely crazy. And the bigger a fandom gets the more bigger that 1% gets, and if that 1% is lucky, it gets showcased above the other 99% of what the fandom represents because it's the more eye catching part that everyone can point and make fun of. It doesn't matter if the rest of the fans don't do or are even against that behavior, if they call themselves a fan, the people of the internet will always be associating with bad fans and that makes them bad too.
So it's kind of hypocritical really. People who rant about how a fanbase is terrible just because of a few people in hopes of... I guess making fandoms better, they're actually contributing to the problem just as much as crazy fans are, since they're not allowing a fanbase to be more than the 1%
@Alex Meggoe But should the rest of the fandom have to pay for the mistakes of 1%? Why should they have to be great people to negate put the bad of a few people? The burden shouldn't be put on them, but on those doing the misdeeds. And seeing as saying they denounce those people isn't good enough it still comes back to somehow being the entire groups fault. That's unjust.
@Alex Meggoe What about Us Sonic fans? I tell you, there are a lot of great Sonic fans out there making cool fan games, beautiful fan art, and awesome covers of already great Sonic music, and yet there are always those people who still mock us and say that we are just a bunch of FUCKING RETARDS, WHO APPARENTLY WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH WHAT I CAN ONLY DESCRIBE AS ONE OF THE WORST SONIC CHARACTERS EVER! A CHARACTER SO BAD THAT I WON'T EVEN DARE SAY IT'S NAME!!!
Sorry about that rant, it hurts being a part of a fanbase that seems to have all of its amazing details swept under the rug just for the lols.
@Alex Meggoe Agreed, on that note, I think another reason why certain fandoms are considered toxic while others aren't is tied with the public image of the franchise they associate with. People think "Sonic sucks, his fans must suck too." Or, "Rick and Morty looks weird, so should the fans." (I'm not calling you guys weird) That's why you probably don't hear anything about the Mario fandom being called toxic, because everyone says that "Mario is perfect, so his fans must be perfect." Maybe that's not the case, but idk it's just a thought that was floating in the back of my head.
It’s a shame how many people associate entire fandoms solely by their bad minorities, great video!
Ehhhhhh.....
The Rpg Monger because throughout human history it has always been the minority that dictated the majority.
The Rpg Monger I don't want to come as rude or anything, but your videos and your audience makes the same mistakes, sort of. While you do spend some time (not enough, if you ask me) explaining that what your about to say only represent a minority, the way your videos are made, the thumbnails and all that don't convey the same message. And a quick look at the comments can confirm that unless your audience is a part of the said fandom, they tend to generalize just as much as anyone else.
*Looks at Tumblr* "I know, it's rough buddy" (not sarcasm, I really like Tumblr)
Sir RPG Monger, like, the last dozen of your videos are "The Fandom Files", in which you explore the bottom of the barrel of popularly hated fandoms.
I sincerely suggest that you find something else more interesting to make videos about.
I don’t think your character avatar is cringy. I think it’s really nice!
i agree, it's one of my favorite things about his channel.
I agree as well, the character was a really nice touch and I suggest keeping it in your videos
Yee
I like mr sleepy he is a good drawing
97Multiphantom exactly!
thank. You. Dude. No joke this kind of thing NEEDS to be said way more, people need to quit saying something has a toxic fandom, its just wrong, and with the amount of youtubers and influencers saying that stuff, its only getting worse. Amazing video man.
Laughing Man! Yeah, hope you get pinned
Honestly way too true. I constantly say "I don't get where the League is toxic," comes from because most of my game experiences are rather good. Maybe it's because I don't consider calling someone a monkey, because they're feeding when you tell them _exactly what they should be doing,_ toxic but... For the most part I follow "as long as you're not bad at the game, you won't see people flame you." And it's mostly true.
It's even worse when the comments condemning fanbases as toxic are doing it to a fandom that's lost a good chunk of its minority crazy and relatively stabilized since (example: Undertale)
Laughing Man Yes! I am sick of people not giving a series a chance due to like 5 radical fans
I do think some fandoms can have more toxicity than others.
My god. Thank you. I’m sure there are other people out there who have talked about this but you are the first that I’ve found who’s gone fairly in depth on the issue.
I always hear people talk about how they don’t want to get into a show or game not because it’s a bad show/game but because the fandom ruins it and that shit drives me crazy.
I’m just glad to hear someone with a level head speak the fact of the matter. So thank you.
Another problem that I wish you covered is that we have a psychological tendency to remember bad events far more often than we remember good events. This often leads us to forgeting about the good thing and only focus in on the bad ones. This then leads to situations where we believe that communities or.groups of people are disproportionately bad.
Hi
It's actually a self preservation thing. You remember bad things better so you can avoid them or defend yourself in the future.
He kind of did, with the IHE segment.
It's called the negativity bias.
That is literally what the majority of the video is about
"if theres any game with non-human characters in it, there will be weird porn of it"
okay, true, but what do the non-human characters have to do with this? if there is any game, if there is any thing with or without characters in it, there will be weird porn of it, this is the internet
it's one of the rules for god's sake.
I think people find the wierd porn wierd because it's not of human characters.
people be crazy. i mean my friend's a bit of a furry, but then again i liek futas so i'm not really one to talk. it's all a matter of prospective. And if they like it well u do u. As long as they aren't toxic it isn't bad and to some it IS weird. Like i think furries are weird and he thinks the same for futas. Though tbh futas are weird, but differences of veiws skew opinions and what one thinks normal is weird to another, just how the world works. prolly had nothing to do with your comment just felt like saying this.
I like futas and furries, what AM I?! O_O *looks at hands dramatically*
a man/woman of culture ofc!
I’m in the SU fandom, and I can say that all you have to do to stay away from the toxic parts is to stay with the shitposters.
I don't even understand how you find it accidentally.
I'm a fan, but I mostly just stick around the subreddit, I never see anything like that there.
The only toxic things I see are people saying its feminist message.
News flash, they are all genderless, not female
@Krow The response to that is: "They're all feminine, speak with female voices, and use "she/her" pronouns. What is genderless about this?"
Chameleonred5: Exactly.
There's a webcomic I used to read that had crystal people who reproduced by budding a new crystal person off of their body, which were regarded as an all female race.
There's a much better comic that I still read that includes an alien race that is monogender, with all members of the species being both egg and child bearing. The species in question has physical variation enough that the members of it look male or female to human eyes, but ALL of them are pretty much the same underneath the metaphorical hood.
It's much better than Steven Universe' "They're one gender but they all look like women."
Stay off tumblr
I also hate people who say that a fanbase "ruined" something for them. No dude, you just don't know how to enjoy something for yourself.
You don't know how much that pisses me off everytime someone says that.
Same. I really don’t understand that « logic ».
Eli N.S It probably has to due with the reason of mostly young teens/adults that say that. They need to have a sense to validate themselves, so the try to play off this incognito bullshit where they try to make themselves seem like the better person.
I never see any "cringy" stuff from fandoms unless I actually search them
Da Dragon Durp same.
I should start sending this to people whenever they criticize me for not talking about the fandom in my SU video
What’s a Steven universe?
Good idea!
I just wanna see all the lesser-known-ish creators UA-cam's been showing me lately start hanging out. You, Uniqueosaur, Monroe, Bunz, Aurora...I wonder if there's anyone you lot are friends with that are still below some magic UA-cam threshold where it's not showing them to me?
Okay but like for real you gotta talk about dat fanbase gurl. Fuck all that legitimate critique of the art inconsistencies, meandering plot, and mediocre action, you gotta act like cringey teenaged girls on Tumblr being cringey is worth mentioning for billionth time.
That was like the best part of your review
At the next level of this whole thing, someone's gonna make a video like: "Are the people who criticize and hate the critics of Rick and Morty fandom, haters themselves?" :D
...also, this poses a question: _HOW DEEP CAN WE GO??_
nob2243 Insert human brain meme
Hridhay Kiran But not deeper than I was in you on your 10th birthday.
ImaCompleteCyclePath Harder Daddy *HARDER*
WE NEED TO GO DEEPER!
This escaleted fast
Wow, I'm actually surprised to see someone calling out on this "fandom toxicity" thing. This needs more views.
I'll explain this in a story
There was once an apple tree that a farmer usually picks apples from and sells them. Usually, the apples are fresh. One day, two apples on the tree went rotten. The farmer didn't realize this and picks them away. He then sells them. Everyone took the fresh ones except two customers. The first customer demanded a refund when he noticed the apple was rotten and got what he wanted, then he left. The second customer took a bite off his apple anyway and threw up. The farmer tried to apologize but the customer pushed him away. Filled with anger, he left, disgusted, and told everyone about his foul experience with the farmer's apple. The next day the farmer sold his apples again, all of them were fresh, but less customers came. When he came home, he realized that the apple tree was chopped down by the people that the second customer talked to about the rotten apple.
Da Dragon Durp *slowly claps*
Thank you for this.
You didn’t look before you bit into it, second customer?
Weird po-
I see you are a man of culture Uniquenameosaurus.
HOLD THE BLOODY PHONE! You mean to tell me that DeviantArt's frontpage REALLY IS the same for everyone? Including the ponies?
My god I thought I was just being pony spammed because I'm a brony, but it really is EVERYONE! That blows my mind way more than anything else in the video, holy crap.
Thank god someone finally said it. People who think the fandom is “ruined” ruined it themself.
I liked your avatar. It was a good between of recording oneself and just pure edited footage.
exactly.
Certainly helps that we now know his avatar is basically a portrait too.
He did a face reveal and god damn he's adorable.
As a Brony, I understand how stupidly people can act when it comes to a fandom. A furry told me that he thought the Brony fandom should be "purged." When I asked why, they responded with "because they sexualize a cartoon for little girls." I pointed out how they were making broad generalizations about Bronies based on a minority. Part if me also wanted to point out how furries are stigmatized in a similar fashion, but I refrained from doing so.
You should've done it just to shut him up.
1000% agree with this. As someone who is a Steven Universe fan, this fandom is probably the biggest victim to being pinned as a toxic fandom, despite those reasons why only applying to a VERY small amount of it. But hey, if the SAO hatdom have showed me anything, as long as it's popular to hate on something, no one will judge you for it no matter how wrong it is. Thank you so much for bringing up this issue.
Lincoln Beckett-Scott I hate SAO but for a good reason: it was a show that promised to be very interesting and they screwed it up halfway through. From that point on, it was all downhill.
Also, I didn't know SU got this kind of hate. Even though I haven't watched it I think it's a great show.
Wait what? You haven't watched it but you think it's a good show??
I haven't Animal Farm but I think it is a good book. Or well at least assume. Things don't get popular unless they, are quality, are bad enough to rag on, are interesting enough that premise/art/music/etc. can carry discussion. Both AF and SU have a lot of positive(and some critical)discussion, so I can assume there is genuine quality to be found in the work.
Probably cause SU sucks, sorry dude.
Lincoln Becket-Scott, but there are many good points as to why SAO sucks. It really isn't a "good" show. Even the autor is making a new version of it, because he realized that the first version just had way too many flaws
Its really common that a fandom that have 100 people, the 5 people that do some weird shit get attention and people say everyone is bad
The thing is, in every fandom there is, those 5 people exist, right? But every fandom has their own 5 people, they're not all the same kind. For example:
Anime fandom - elitist jerks
Undertale fandom - see Undertale references in everything, very similar to Jojo fans
Final Fantasy fandom - the oldschool fans can be really annoying, only FF1 up to 7 (sometimes 8) were good, the rest is trash
Persona fandom - "Persona 3 was the only good one because it's dark and I'm an edgy teen."
The list goes on, but I think you get the picture with only these 4.
As a brony, yeah.
TheSuperSaturos i think the reason pepole who like jojo see refrances in evrything else is because jojo is kind of built off of refrances from everything ,or at least alot of things. But yea pepole who refrance a specifc thing over and over kinda get annoying, especially out of any conversation about it , but then again joko is built off of refrances kinda so eh kinda a "draw" there i guess you could call it.
noathegod 1 Well, Undertale fans are calmer now, but 2 years ago they were like a pest, they were everywhere and they were annoying, like mosquitos.
For example, hear this song: ua-cam.com/video/SJkj3DgW8Y0/v-deo.html
Now, if you have the time and patience, scroll down the comments until 2 years ago (maybe you don't even need to go that far) and you'll see that most people are quoting Undertale stuff.
And then there's this cover: ua-cam.com/video/GkNt8_aMcXk/v-deo.html
The singer, from 2:05 onward, is dressed like Sans (blue hoodie and white shirt). See why it pisses me off? Saying this song relates to Undertale is stupid because the song's about treason, deception and revenge. In that case, many other songs like Devil in Disguise by Elvis Presley and Nightmare by A7X are also there for Undertale. And why Undertale? Why not Naruto, for example? I mean, it also has a good guy that betrayed his friends. Why not even the Bible? Satan is a perfect example of deception, treason and revenge.
Do you see my point?
well i wasant really talking about undertale i was talking about why a lot of people who watch jojo say shit or quote it out of context often. this video explains it well ua-cam.com/video/kiuT0l4T1tk/v-deo.html
Okay everyone hear me out on this. A hatedom is a group of individuals who share similar opinions one certain thing they hate. So when you think about it, fandom haters are basically in their own fandom, the fandom hatedom.
Think about it.
The loudest and proudest are always heard. Glad you made this video.
Honestly i feel like 90% of the time its people who publicise and complain about the weird minority of fandoms that ruin it for people more than the actual weird people in the fanbase
People would generally never see this weird side of the fanbase if people didnt keep sharing it and sharing it and generalizing the entire fanbase as these people, then people are turned away from the show or thing because its "cringy" to like it
Anywho great video man keep it up
This. Most of the time it ends up as "This other person did something cringy, so I blame you now. STOP LIKING X, CANCER!". Like they haven't ever posted anything someone thinks is cringy before.
Honestly, I see a lot of "toxic fandom" cpmplaints used as proxy for attacking shows they don't like. They look for thw most indefensible behavior from the fandom and use it to avoid the hard work of actual criticism. Not always, but I do see it a lot.
The average fandom experience involves two behaviors:
1. Watch the show
2. Recommend the show to others
Yes. Some People will judge a game or show on the merits of the fanbase rather than judging it on its own merits.
Soooo, how much time did you save on editing this video without your OC?
"oc"??? So is your little octopus with the top hat your oc? It's cute.
Cody Mavick
Sadly not, it is a picture that I stole with malicious intent to use as the symbol for my fascist tentacle empire.
But on a more serious note, it's a plush that you can make yourself but I am too incompetent to wield a needle and some string right and I couldn't find one that is properly made and purchasable.
That reminds me, I should unsub from EZ PZ
Why would you even sub to something this obnoxious to get through?
Seriously, how can people watch his videos with that editing style?
allen crown literally says fight me irl on every video that critisises him hell he did it on this video
Good choice on severing yourself from him as a viewer, but why did you sub to begin with?
allen crown the only video I consider good on his channel is the Maddox video, but that’s probably due to the fact I have little knowledge of the events before I watched, so odds are he grossly misinterpreted everything.
Jiggly Buff no Maddox is actually that bad, but his other videos are hard to watch
I let out a physical sigh at the "Bojack Horseman is me" part. Those people do know that that's not something to he proud of right?
Spoiler warning: The new season is basically your comment.
@Maintenance Renegade I would write an essay wasting my time and your time but ill do both of us a favor, youre wrong
I’m sure the show realized that so many people related to Bojack this way, and that’s why they had episodes like Xerox of a Xerox, where Bojack has to own up to his actions. If you relate to Bojack, simply because you’re a self-absorbed, drunk, asshole, you aren’t okay.
I watched an interview with the guy who was in the McDonald's freakout video and he isn't even really in the fandom. He literally made that video to mock the fandom and then became the face of it...
Another Roadrunner situation nearly 70 years later? Cool.
Could we call people who analyze fanbases a fanbase?
possibly some youtubers make a living of that, the rpg monger for example
the fandom fandom?
Thank you!!!! I’ve been saying this for so long. It pisses me off when people question why I like things like Steven Universe and argue with me about it’s so-called “toxic fandom”. I’ve met so many genuinely kind people who love the show and actually listen to its positive messages. It isn’t fair to generalize, especially to criticize or demean entire groups of people
There's no toxic fanbase, only toxic people being a part of the fanbase and more or less loud
Thank god someone said it. I hate that I have to feel embarrassed to like something like Five Nights at Freddy’s as an adult just because of its “bad fandom.” Did it use to be pretty bad? A bit yeah, but it hasn’t been bad since 2016.
At this point the haters of the fandom are way worse. One time I was scrolling the subreddit on my phone, and someone walked up to me and said “is that Fnaf?” I answered yes and he said “ugh that’s a stupid kids game that died years ago. Has a horrible fandom.” (Or something along the lines of that it was a while ago.) all the people who were just there for the trend are gone, and in its place are people who just genuinely love the games and its lore. We kinda just wanna be left alone now.
If I’m afraid to talk about something in public, and sometimes feel like a “closeted fan” when I’m with my friends , maybe we’re not the toxic ones anymore.
I agree that every fanbase has it's bad people. However, I do have another hypothesis as to why some fanbases seem disproportionately bad. You're definitely right about how the extremes stick out, are noticeable, and are more memorable, and this is something I've held true for years... but in the past year or so, I've come up with an idea that seems to hold true as far as negativity is concerned. Something that compounds with it to accentuate the effect.
As a Canadian, I'm aware that my country has a reputation for being the polite ones, right? Obviously, we have our fair share of complete and utter jerks (With millions of people, it's bound to happen.) What sets us apart from our "often seen as rude" (And for the record, I know a lot of Americans and most are all right) southern neighbors? Simple: Population Density.
I'm not joking, and hear me out, this actually makes perfect sense:
A bad interaction with a jerk can ruin your day. It's a lot harder to act cordially when you're upset. The more people around you, the higher the odds that someone is a jerk. The more people around a jerk, the more people they negatively impact those around them with their vitriol. Now, look at the population density of Canada and the USA; Canada averages 1000 people in 273.8 square km, while the USA averages 1000 people in 30.16 km.
You probably see where I'm going with this; it's a chain reaction of hate. The more people there are interacting, the more the negativity catches on and makes more people feel negatively, which makes it harder to act positively. Whether it's a densely packed country or a populous fandom, this does catch on. I feel that the larger a fandom gets, the percentage of negavitity does increase based on this, which acts as a boost to getting it noticed.
Unfortunately, this idea is still in the hypothesis stage since I have no way of actually testing it, so any guesses I make at numbers would be complete and utter asspulls. My point is, there will always be good and bad people, but more people means more peoples' days being ruined by the bad people, meaning more people who aren't exactly behaving at their best. There will always be those who just keep their distance and don't let it get to them, just like there will always be those who just want to watch the world burn. This effect on a group's overall negativity could be as minor as 1% or as major as 20, and I have no idea which it is. Still, it makes enough sense that I believe it to be true.
No that makes a lot of sense.
yknow this makes tons of sense. i used to be in the jojo fandom when it was still pretty small and niche, like there'd be groups here and there all over the internet and the fans i personally encountered were really kind of horrible and rude... but the wider notion that "jojo fandom is annoying" didnt pop up until, id say the middle of stardust crusaders?? which is around the time pretty much everyone i knew started watching and referencing it and the fandom was more cohesive and became one larger community. so your theory seems to hold up.
that could be a factor, but I'm from Rome which has about the same population density as Toronto (maby a bit lower) and when I went there I was still a bit shocked by how nice people were...
my hero academia have somewhat fine but some of them are meh in away, I like news for new things but thats all (also use Twitter for this) so I think the fandom calm down with all the weird ships but there is some ships things left, that's should be fine in away
I've always heard it in terms of the 1% rule. In any fandom only about 1 percent of the people in it will be crazy or freakishly cruel or cringey but that gets harder to notice the larger a fandom gets.
the thing is that people are digging to that 1% making it get more and more spotlight
I guess the real toxic fandom was the friends we made along the way
Ok, I'm assuming you wanted to get this message out there and the 40 minute undertale video is too daunting for some people to click on it, to be honest, this subject did deserve to be talked about outside of the video that only undertale fans would most likely click on because this is something the entire internet should take to heart
I've been saying this for YEARS! Thank you!
As a reasonable fan of Undertale and Friendship is Magic, "No, that's a minority." is the honest truth about the fanbases of many programs.
Herman Cillo
Throughout my experience being an Undertale fan (I still like it, but I'm into other stuff now, mainly books and animation) the only times I faced the "cringey side" was when I searched cringe compilations or watched videos complaining about the fandom.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT this video is gold I'm so sick of the "fandoms are toxic" "such and such is a toxic fandom and here's why"
Hey, i liked your anime avatar :( bring it back boi!
You talking about 5 or 10 years back and video games getting the blame... mate that's happening these days with current shooters and it's as dumb now as it was then.
Only now the NRA gets misblamed too, and the people who yell that we should ban gun ignore that we could actually, you know, secure the schools and protect the children, instead of trying to fundamentally alter the country's source of laws and rights to remove ALL guns.
Kind of a pisser there, that the loudest people yell "Think of the children!" while ignoring actual solutions that would protect the children.
...YOu actually just proved Uniquenameosaurus's point by generalizing like that you know. I know for sure that gun control does not mean 'ban all guns'. People that you got that assumption from are NOT the 50% who actually are trying to pose an actual solution by saying 'background checks' or 'Just make sure the gun cant easily kill 50 people within 5 seconds when positioned 10 stories above'. The second amendment is always going to be there no matter what and people actually recognize that. They just want to make sure that the the unavoidable crazy shooters are manageable or at least minimised.
cabinboy1031: But that's the lie. "We won't take your guns" means nothing when the gun laws in liberal states are so restrictive that it's nigh impossible to get a gun.
That doesn't even cover the fact that some leftist pundits are now calling for the left to be honest about their intentions, and to admit that they want to take guns away from people.
Nor does it cover that the left will NEVER define "common sense gun laws", or to give any actual laws that would have stopped any of the shootings.
Or the fact that BOTH the FBI and the local Broward Country Sheriff/Police failed to stop this shooter after 45 police calls, multiple warnings to both the FBI and police, and that the police records that SHOULD have been in the database to keep the shooter from getting the gun in the first place upon a background check.
It's not a generalization, because that's the strategy the current Democrat party is taking. Demand gun confiscation after a shooting, ignore any potential solutions that would make students/people safer, and then repeat after another shooting.
It's sad, because the people crying "think of the children!" loudest are ignoring ANYTHING that could protect the children. Like school security being increased to a level similar to how much we protect our money, airports, and politicians. Allowing trained volunteer teachers/staff to carry weapons. (TRAINED VOLUNTEERS, not everyone.) Strengthening our mental health laws and allowing exceptions to the HIPA laws that keep police/doctors/etc from protecting the innocent people from the mentally disturbed. Especially in the cases of kids who start abusing animals, because those kids move onto people if left to their own devices.
Oh, and that doesn't even cover the unintended consequences of some gun laws. Like how waiting periods for guns kill women who need a gun to protect themselves from an abuser.
Or the paradoxical fact that we used to have gun clubs and open carry of students carrying guns to school, and no school mass shootings before the early 90s and the DEMOCRAT pushed Gun Free Schools legislation.
Just please remember: The current left/democrat party in the united states has the goal of total gun control/confiscation, and is quite happy to reach that goal slowly, regardless of the consequences.
Get the fuck out of here. No one wants your political shit here
EZ PZ is not a very smart guy. He often bashes these popular shows for petty partisan reasons.
His SU rant included:
- complainig about " *LeFTisT pRoPaGAnda* ",
- bashing the fandom , which isn't part of the actual show,
- ad hominems,
- some edgy right-wing jokes
Behanort He’s not wrong about the propaganda part. It’s definitely there, and after looking at some of the behind the scenes stuff explains a lot of it. The show’s makers are some pretty crazy leftists (as opposed to an average leftist that is normal).
Aaron Landry could you be more specific? Are you talking about how Rebecca put Ruby and Saphire in the show in purpose? If so, she talked about this in an interview. Lesbian ralationship are her way of expressing herself, and showing kids it's ok to be queer, something other shows in her memory never said.
What other parts try to brainwash kids into being filthy SJWs, anyway? All this parts about consent being important? How is this leftist indoctrination, and not just human decency?
Aside from that, lessons in SU are pretty standard, I don't think it turned anyone into a commie
Behanort I wasn’t referring to space lesbians. Gay people do not belong to any sort of political party, and can be as Conservative or Liberal as a straight person.
What is extremely leftist is Feminism (Third wave Feminism, not past Feminism) and “Toxic Masculinity”, which are very present in the show. Considering that the entire show creator staff is comprised of a bunch of leftist loonies (their Tumblrs and Twitters should be more than enough evidence of this), it really shouldn’t be that surprising to find leftisms in the show, but as this is a children’s show, so this is propaganda.
Aaron Landry 'gay people do not belong in any sort of political party...' Wait so if you're a politician and you come out as gay then you can't be a politician at all? Sounds like homophobia to me.
Ahem.....
Undertale.
7:21
Ngl when you started yelling bout this all I thought of was:
"You wanted to be safe from the government so you became a stupid government. That makes every Rick in here less Rick than me!"
Thank you, someone actually says this about those who think all of a certian Fandom is "toxic".
Is it just me, or does this vid have WAY TOO LITTLE views?
It was published yesterday. But yeah, wierd.
This is officially the most underrated video on the internet. Bless your soul.
I feel called out with one of those bojack pictures but I won't say which
No, not the original character! He was one of my favorite things about the channel!
1:51 Look at the wall lol.
lmao
Oh so, couple of things...
Firstly, I have a twitter now:
twitter.com/Uniqueosaurus
Secondly, i'm getting back into the swing of patreon rewards now so i'm gunna start linking it again:
www.patreon.com/Uniquenameosaurus
And if people are wondering, i'll be making a second video about piracy next month
Honestly thank you cas I completely agree. People will entirely stop watching a show because of the fandom which makes no damn sense to me
You should attack EZ PZ more.
Everyone should, as well as E;R and all similar to them.
Except E;R has a level of self awareness. He generally isn't as mean spirited as EZ PZ, although there are of course some times where he is biased and somewhat mean spirited. I do understand however why people don't like him, a lot of his jokes are not in the best taste, however I get the vibe that some of his remarks are more satirical than spiteful.
"The Toxic Fandom Fandom Is a Toxic Fandom" is just a circlejerk. It happens with everything.
Niche thing blows up -> Fandom develops -> Fandom haters develop -> Fandom looks better than haters, causing the cycle to continue.
The toxic fandom, fandom, talks on toxic people in fandoms, in ways that are toxic.
That's a lot of toxins..
I really liked your video about ASMR and how UA-cam is changing the media landscape. Thank you got making it!
Man, I love a lot of your videos, but this one is a mixed bag at best. You're right that the extremes are a small percentage of the overall fan-base, but your argument about the extremes coming to the forefront goes both ways and that's where it falls apart.
For some, once the publicized side of the fan-base becomes bad enough, it ruins your enjoyment of the show, game, etc. regardless of how many 'good' fans there are out there.
Plenty of Undertale fans are perfectly fine, but that doesn't mean the toxic fans didn't ruin the game for several people (just go back and look at what happened to Markiplier).
When someone says a game has a terrible fanbase, the PERCENTAGE that those fans make up simply doesn't matter. Calling a fandom bad doesn't mean you're implying 50+% of it is bad - how bad or how visible the toxic people are makes a whole lot more difference in the long run. Just as every fandom has bad fans, every fandom has good fans, so judging a fandom comes down more to how extreme each of the two sides are. However, few fandoms have a sizeable portion of *excellent* fans so as to stick out as much as the worst of the worst, so usually the difference between fandoms comes out to how bad those worst fans are.
And another thing, you automatically (like a great number of others it seems) assume the worst when it comes to peoples' motivations for posts or videos. While it's true that extremes sell, it's also true that extremes are *memorable,* which means its perfectly plausible that IHE (or even the news, though I'm less likely to give them benefit of the doubt) wasn't looking to exploit only talking about the extremes for views, he simply remembered the bad experience far more prominently, enough to make a video about it. Can you blame him? You said it yourself - why WOULD anyone make a video about good fans, the type you barely interact with, unless you are also part of their community?
i agree with your statement but i feel like this kind of videos still need to be made because once people get to into it they start to actually forget that they are normal fans. these kimd of videos help to counterbalance them somewhat
Oh no, that was what I meant to imply. I don't think IHE had some ill motive when I said "That wouldn't have made it into the video". Poor phrasing on my part, I guess that's what I was trying to clarify with the bit about hit pieces. I think alot of people just don't think about it.
As for percentages not mattering, that's what I mean by "if you can't disconnect your association from the minority that's fine"
For good weighing out bad, I'm not sure, I mean it's not like people make fandom celebration videos in the same way they make fandom 'hit pieces'...
KC Clark What happened to Markiplier?
what happened to alot of people that tried to LP UNDERTALE.
The overzealous fans that missed what the intended experience was meant to be tried to get the LPer to play it the "right" way while ruining any chance they had at playing it the right way.
Alpha Omega people complained about how he played Undertale constantly and I think even the voices he did, so he stopped and only finished it like a few months later
As a fan of both bojack and rick and Morty. I appreciate this.
You AND Batesee upload on the same day! HEAVEN’S GATES HAVE OPENED AND QUALITY CONTENT IS RAINING DOWN!
I really like the fact that he used Undertale music in the background, A subtle but appreciated gesture!
Agreed, every fandom will have it's idiots and crazies.
Holy hell more people need to see this video
My thoughts exactly
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I really hope this becomes your most popular viewed video to date, it sums up so much of my own thoughts in a compact way.
This is all a pretty good video with strong arguments, and it really made me think. Though it does personally pose me a question. What about fandoms whose toxic behaviour actually influenced people's life, sometimes to the extent of someone taking their life. Like the artist from Steven universe who drew Rose Quartz "too skinny" incident. Does this happen frequent enough in other popular fandoms to just go on and judge by toxic versus nontoxic people inside the fandom, or is there more to it?
Hey I agree with you but I also agree with the RPG MONGER he has a series called the fandom files where he says what you say about it only being 5% of the fandom being toxic do you agree with him?
Yeah buuuuuuuuut have you met the creators.
when all that escapes from the well when you pull up the bucket is topped with filthy sewer sludge, even if that is just the top thin layer, are you still gonna try and extract the mostly good and healthy water from it or are you just going to try and avoid the well that is topped with filthy disgusting sewage
Thing I love most about this channel: you say so much in such a short video, and none of it feels rushed or tangential (even when it’s clearly a tangent, it doesn’t feel like a tangent). Keep up the great work, and continue learning how to end a video
Look at Madoka, though. While it was still airing, the show brought out mainly the guys who love figuring out the smallest clues and making wild theories. After it ended, this part of the fandom got drowned out by the newcomers, who thought it's the deepest shit ever. And suddenly the fanbase became toxic. Calling a fanbase toxic is mainly about whether you're able to have intelligent conversations. The problem with the "5 percent" that you mention is not that we perceive them as "50 percent", but that they intrude on 100 percent of the conversations.
Vice versa, *monogatari doesn't have a toxic fanbase, because the toxic people are generally left out of the conversation.
In essence, some shows just leave more ground for the toxic part of the fanbase to ruin it for the others. And Rick&Morty is one of them.
Yeah. But it sure helps that the consensus of the monogatari fandom is that it is a fanservice harem anime with 80s references.
This tho
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THIS OUT
Damn son, one of your most ruthless and most true videos ever. Loved it!
This is what I like about your content, your commentary is just so down to earth. If you have an opinion youre not afraid of speaking it, even if its unpopular. One of my favorite videos on your channel is still your opinion piece on pirating anime. Keep up the good work, Ive been here since the times Natsu was your profile icon.
Lol.. 100k bombed. Still think you're an S rank!
The Unknown Otaku explain?
*you're.
*Frenzied applause*
*Hunter X Hunter reference*
The Unknown Otaku That's what happens when you insult a fan favorite ship.
No don't get rid of Mr Sleepy!
I was so glad when I saw you use the EZ PZ videos. I've thought they were stupid and attacking great works of art for nit picky reasons for super long and I was glad to finally see someone say something.
Every single one of your videos dont feel like theyre made for money Or to keep on a schedule. They feel like theyre all out to make a point individually and the point is always spot on
>You can't say the whole fan base is bad!
>There is only 5% at most of us!
>The 4chan Fan base Will Live On!
The Unknown Otaku Only 5% of 4chans fanbase is toxic? I'm not buying it buddy
It's just /pol/, mostly.
Nicholas Clark and /v/
and /fit/ and /b/ and /r9k/
Except IQ is a value mainly tied to level of education and access to necesseties, so yeah.
People also forget how easy it is to avoid that shit like, don't like shipping in overwatch? Just play the game and don't interact with the fandom. Don't like screaming kids in vc? Mute them. Rad fems yelling at you? Blocking is easy buddy. These people just wanna be salt.
Ridiculous argument
@@David-ni1pg lmao ok gamer
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO!
I'm so tired of the people who treat entire fanbases awful just because a small group of people did something stupid.
This video was fantastic, man.
I really enjoyed your last video, wish you'd make more videos, more often honestly!
The harry potter fandom has a cringy as fuck side. Especially with their childish simplifications of the world by comparing it to the world of HP...
RemnantOfThePast childish simplifications? Have you read the books? I would not want to live in a world where Harry is alive . It'd be like living in a world where Doctor Who exists. You hear a weird whoosh; immediately buy a one way ticket to China and learn Chinese by watching the multiple reports of devastation in the West.
Joy Augustina Petinrin Tbh HP isn’t the most complex book in existence. It does simplify some aspects of the real world, especially in the earlier books.
In my opinion Im like who cares I mean hey i still enjoy pokemon even though people say its toxic which yeah some are bad but hey who cares
I've been thinking this for a while now. Thank you.
I really like rick and morty fandom, everyone who hate them never met one in real life and i can swear
God forbid you mention Homesstuck. Now that's like disturbing a nest of rats
homestuck was unique in how many conventions it might've ruined with the unsealed skin paint and such, harassment and internet brigades attacking ships, and especially obnoxious cosplayers. at the same time, it was probably a small minority but still...
baffles me how tf the community managed to chill out that much over a 2-3 period
lol triggered ecks dee
What's a homestuck?
𝑻𝒉𝒂𝒏𝒌 you for THIS! Sorry ya last video bombed. I liked it tho. But who gives a flying fuck eh?
Thank you *
To be honest I don’t remember subscribing to you but I always highly enjoy your videos
I had no idea i was subscribed but i’m very glad i saw this in my sub box
Let's be honest, the toxic fans exist in every fandom because they're the exact same 12-year-olds.
Memes of Production True
I agree with a lot of your points but for the competitive gamers being toxic thing I have to say I'm on the side that LoL actually is filled with a bunch of toxic people and here's why. In my Psych class we were given a project to survey what we saw in daily life so I chose amount of people angry enough to talk shit in online games (more specifically LoL) and over the course of a month I surveyed 60 something games (it as HS and I had no life thus the high amount) and I noticed that in over 70% of the games played there was at least one person willing to talk shit. Now while you mentioned "you don't notice the 9 other people being normal" I will raise you this and say that as long as someone in the match is being shitty it might as well be a majority because it should be more of a total amount of games thing then a person by person thing. (which you could argue is your point cause it is but I'm still gonna say that it should count more as games then people cause that's your experience where as a handful of shitty people getting popular I.E. Rick and morty. Is a way smaller percantile)
TL:DR I think that LoL kinda deserves the stereo type of mad boiis and ladies cause a large amount of matches have mad people and it should be match by match rather then person by person for team based games.
P.S. Sorry for writing so much and grammar issues it's 3am and I kinda got lost in my own head. Thanks for reading.
Well, i play Cs and feel that everyone can be a toxic player when tilted, its usually the same in most games, it depends on consistency Yeet
I have played a variety of FPS games, a variety of Mobas, a variety of RTS's, a huge amount of fighting games and people that rage are in all of them. They are absolutely a minority. You say in 70% of games someone was willing to cause shit, but there's 10 people per game. Given the 60 games, this is 600 people with maybe 42 people raging, less than one percent. There's also a lot of stuff around the definition of raging.
it's kids
just kids
i agree with pointynives, theirs a difference between playfull shittalking and flaming. and with me, and i have no life and play LoL nearly nonstop. i see one toxic person in maybe 1 out of 6 games and rarely as toxic as ppl joke, ie riven and yasuo mains, i rarely see those. And the reason we know of them is ONLY because they stand out from the rest. And the reason LoL has more is because it's a competitive Moba with over a million people playing it's only natural you'd see it often. Now if you include shittalking and joking as toxic then yeah it's gonna raise the numbers.
No it's still that one person so the study remains person to person.
Your study is using a broad stroke, number of matches with toxic players, and applying it to individuals, e.g. the number of toxic player, to refute the point that extremes are what's noticed while ignore that the statement is correct. You still ignore the other 8 people in game that aren't toxic or, because this is a study preformed by a person, players that you perceive as toxic even though they were having a bad game.
Tl;dr Don't use sweeping generalizations to compare groups to individuals
>thumbnail says "toxic fandons DON'T exist"
>instantly remember the case where an artist got a lot of hate for drawing Rose Quartz from Steven Universe skinny to the point she tried to kill herself
>"""toxic fandons DON'T exist"""
Did you even watch the video?
"Toxic Fandoms doesn't exist"
*The Cartoon Network Hatedom would like to have a word with you*
That's sorta the opposite of a fandom though.
That clip at 0:30 isn't an actual fan its a guy that was doing a joke
He knows. He mentioned it in text form when he brings the clip up again 4:02
ThorirPP yea i commented this before i saw that
Ok, cool. Just wanted to say something in case you didn't
Yeah, Mumkey Jones interviewed the guy who confirmed it was a skit for a larger video that he uploaded.
Stop not posting videos!
Stop it!
I agree with this completely. Also, thanks for crediting Cabvno, I actually went to check it out!
So, so happy you posted again 😊
While i do agree that the toxic part of every fandom amounts to probably more or less 5% of the entire fandom, i think some fandoms have a more vocal toxic minority than others, which spreads the cringe and adds a certain unwelcoming element to the people who aren't part of the fandom. So i agree with some of the points that you make, but i do believe that some fandoms can be considered more toxic than other
I largely agree with you. Except with RWBY. I don't think they're cringe or anything but I have yet to talk to a fan of RWBY that hasn't proceeded to tell me that I should give the show another chance. That has tried to somehow explain away any issue I have with "it gets better later on though". RWBY fans have a creepy habit of trying to push that show on everyone, even people that watched multiple seasons and still didn't enjoy the show at all.
Also your avatar isn't cringe, kinda cute really.
*Holds hand up*
I'm a RWBY fan I guess and I wouldn't force someone to continue a series (I wish Dragon Ball ended in 1989) when it is in decline... though I do think RWBY is worth a watch if you got to Season 3 of the main show.
It isn't hard to find more skeptical RWBY fans if you look into fatmanfalling and the video makers that he associates with.
exactly, and isn't it normal for people to recommend their favorite show or tell them that it improved on it's flaws?
That's called liking the show
exactly.
I am a RWBY fan, no a roosterteeth fan. I watch the show because I want it to be good... okay I want it to be decent. Its like watching your kids film project. Even if its terrible you are still gonna watch it. I will admit RWBY does have some redeeming qualities to it, like the anime trope characters. However, I will never recommend it to someone who isn't already a roosterteeth fan. Its an amateur anime being made by an amateur production company, and its watchable with that mindset. If you sat down and watched Red vs Blue, you can definitely sit down and suffer through RWBY, and maybe just maybe find a character you might care about or two.
You have probably become my favorite with this video. I mean I have felt this way for literally YEARS since the begging of "toxic fandoms" witch hunts on UA-cam and finally seeing someone make a video on it is amazing
Not all fandoms are entirely cringe or toxic. They do have good sides to them.
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