love the vid! and nice efficiency shooting the wrap-up from your Dr's exam room. next time they keep me waiting, I'll be sure to have my mic and tripod handy
@@ryankassel5691I like the fixed camera too. Where I live in Europe holding a phone can give you a ticket of the equivalent of 200 USD and a point on your license which can lead to a suspension. I consider it dangerous, I know you guys do all you can to be safe, but I still don’t like it. You need to focus on the driving and be ready to react when other drivers do something unexpected. Stay safe and keep up the good work.
Nice job, Ryan. I liked the fixed camera view also. As you mentioned, it would've been better if you had it focused on the dash, so we could see the various parameters . Live and learn.
I liked the video. The EV6 GT is a "gas guzzler", but still managed to get the miles. eGMP vehicles are the sweet spot for affordable fast charging. Sadly none of the eGMP vehicles are efficient. Even the I6 isn't great, but better than the rest of the eGMP lineup. They are nice cars. Glad to see it was able to get the miles to make it worthy of a road trip recommendation. Thanks for pointing out the regen settings on the eGMP cars. You are right if you are in i-pedal it forces you to stay in AWD. L3 and ECO are probably the best settings to get the numbers.
I've been multiday road tripping for a while now and always need to accumulate more than 100 miles to make the next charger. As a result the 10-80% time and range is more important to me in evaluating the performance of a car road tripping. Some cars have really bad charging curves and would take much longer at charging stops than others. Furthermore, the time to pull off the highway, connect to the charger and get back on the hghway can add a lot of time to the trip. Therefore I perfer to minimize stops.
Thanks for the input! I hear what you’re saying. It’s tough to compare 10-80% times because 80% means something very different on a Kia EV6 (~180 miles of range) vs something like a Lucid Air (~400 miles of range). Your point about pulling off the highway is also really important, a lot of time can be spent driving around to get to a charger if it’s not directly off the highway. What car are you road tripping, and from where to where?
The bZ4X enables DC fast charging, which allows you to get 80% charge in just 30 minutes under ideal circumstances. This allows you to spend more time driving and less time waiting, in contrast to other models with inadequate charging infrastructure.
The GT has 21" rims btw not 20" as listed on the chart. With my GT I could get a little over 3.0kW/m if going at 70-75mph. I'm able to get 208 miles from 100% to 2% which roughly is 3 hours of driving. In the city of course I could get higher but I choose not to drive on eco at level 3 regen. I have the GT trim people so I'm at normal on i-pedal. I'm around 2.3kW/m so I'm around 180 miles but I could go up to 250 miles if I wanted. Then again I only charge up to 80% normally so I'm more around 143 miles or less before I have to charge it again. I usually charge it around 20-30%. So basically I'm only using around 50-60% of the pack on the daily. I slow charge my car at home overnight but at the same time I don't want to be charging for more than 10 hours so that's why I don't wait too long to charge it again.
Ryan's video is very clear in his methodology -- however he doesn't mention what regen level he has the car set to. This makes a HUGE difference in my EV6 GT, as you want Lvl 1-3 and not iPedal set. With iPedal, the front motors do not disconnect, and you suck down lots more energy. Level 1-3 will disconnect the front motors and be more efficient than the 2.2 you got. I routinely get 2.5-ish on Lvl 1 regen on roadtrips driving at 78-ish. You can confirm the front motors are disconnected by looking at the power gauge in the middle of the instrument cluster while accelerating.
I’m hearing that Hyundai EGMP vehicles will stop battery preconditioning if you drop below 20% state of charge. You guys state that you precondition the battery before you charge from a 10% state of charge. So, does Kia NOT cut off preconditioning at 20%?
Here’s what I understand but if someone knows better please correct. Hyundai/Kia have tweaked the preconditioning logic a few times. On my Kia EV6 MY2022 the precondition can only be started by navigating to a fast charger and the car has to decide to activate it before the car hits SoC 20%. It will not activate below, but if active it will continue below. I don’t know when it shuts off. I rarely drive long distances when it’s so cold it would be relevant, last winter I had no DC charge from Oct to Apr so very little experience I admit. I understand the EV9 and likely Ioniq 9 have new software which allows manual activation of preconditioning. The facelift EV6 and ioniq 5 MY2025 have new software too and may have the manual preconditioning button too. This is one of the weaknesses of the eGMP software. There’s a channel called the The Ioniq Guy, he has great info on these cars and recently a rant on the issues with preconditioning. The car is great in many ways as this video also shows but there’s room for improvement.
The other comment has everything correct as far as I know, and it matches my experience from multiple EGMP vehicles. It’s definitely a pretty big flaw and can be pretty frustrating if it’s cold outside and you’re pulling into chargers at low SOC.
@@tomm5936 at least in eGMP cars pre-ccNC infotainment (where they have a pre-condition "button") the preconditioning navigating to a POC charger will indeed stop when the car reaches 18-19% SOC in my experience. So you gotta plan to arrive with over 20% in winter if you want good charging speeds. These batteries are sensitive even to a california "winter" where you have temps in the 50s during the daytime, preconditioning is good to do
@@tomm5936 you counteract this by pre-planning in ABRP and put in you want to arrive at chargers at 21% SOC. Then you gotta put in the chargers you want to have as waypoints into the stock nav and navigate to them to get preconditioning going
I'm not sure whether you've been able to test the RWD KIA EV6, but I was easily hitting 3.3 mi/kWh at 75 mph constant speed. Even at 80 mph, it should do extremely well in this test, considering it would also add close to 50 kWh in 15 minutes.
I wonder how not having a heat pump affects range. I hope the ev3 has a heat pump while being fwd. I'll give props to GM Ultium vehicles all having a tesla like hp standard. I wish kia did the same.
@@sprockkets the Kia EV3 is on sale in Europe and at least here in Denmark it comes standard with a PTC heater. I tried to use the configuration tool and see if I could option a heat pump, but didn’t find it. For comparison the EV6 comes standard with a heat pump in Scandinavia/ Northern Europe, but in southern Europe it’s an option. In my opinion it’s a must have in a cold climate.
I would love to see the difference between 75 and 80. I think once you get pass 65 the efficiency is effected more the faster you go. I could be way off. 🙂
It matters a lot, I'm getting OK efficiency with my EV9 at speeds up to 130kmh (=80mph) but at 140 or 160 then efficient is not a word I'd use to describe the situation. It still charges so fast that it's worth it to drive faster, even though the efficiency is terrible. This generally applies to all the egmp cars.
Instead of physically accelerating the cars, I would like if you let the car decide its own acceleration by setting the cruise control to the testing speeds. No matter how accurate a human is, there is going to be minute variations always. Why not let the car decide instead?
Edited: I love the videos but am not a fan of the 80 mph speed. I'm not sure about the speed limits out west but most of them along the east coast is 70. 10 mph over would be a costly ticket. I'm curious to know where you come up with the 80 mph limit and if that's more the average in the U.S. Efficiency would be markedly better at 70 mph i would think.
In the Central States of USA like Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico etc. the highway speed limit is 75mph. In some Central States like Utah, Wyoming, Idaho etc. it goes upto 80mph. I guess it is okay to do upto 5mph above the limit, so you will find alot of vehicles doing 80mph+ in those states' Highways
Speed limits in a lot of the rural central U.S. are 80. Most people here in Utah cruise between 85-87 mph, so I think 80 on this test is a good medium.
70 mph is the most common max speed limit for the most populated areas of the country, but there are a decent number of states with 75 to 80 mph speed limits. The thing to note, though, is that the faster the speed limit, the less tolerance there usually is for driving over. For instance, you could easily get a ticket for doing 84 mph on the 80 mph stretch through Beaver, UT, but you're unlikely to get a ticket for doing 79 mph on a 70 mph stretch of I-5 through Central California. There's even a section of I-40 heading into Arizona from California where you see people slam on the brakes as they enter Arizona even though they are going from a 70 mph speed limit to a 75 mph speed limit (zero tolerance for speeding by the AZ Highway Patrol).
They also do 70mph driving range tests. You can see them on their other channels and can also go to their website "OutofSpecStudios" to see the graphs for most, but not all, of the range test videos they do. For example, the 2024 Highland Model 3 has been tested (both the RWD LR and the AWD LR) and you can see it on their videos, but their result are not listed on their website. Click on the "Charging Test", tab. There, you can see both the charging speeds as well as their 70mpg total range graphs.
I have an EV6 GT. I drive between 65 and 70 on the highway and I get over 3 mi./kWh. Around town if I drive conservatively I can get almost 4 mi./ kWh. It all depends on how you drive it. I do live in California where the weather is good for EVs.
I think the data is good though because then it represents the worst case scenario. You can use this as your baseline and pretty much guarantee you'll get better results.
Yes, this has been my concern as well. It's 10 to 15 mph faster than the max speed limit (often enforced) for a lot of the country. I think 75 mph would be a better, universal speed, but this is close to the worst-case-scenario driving.
They also do 70mph driving range tests. You can see them on their other channels and can also go to their website "OutofSpecStudios" to see the graphs for most, but not all, of the range test videos they do. For example, the 2024 Highland Model 3 has been tested (both the RWD LR and the AWD LR) and you can see it on their videos, but their result are not listed on their website. Click on the "Charging Test", tab. There, you can see both the charging speeds as well as their 70mpg total range graphs.
love the vid!
and nice efficiency shooting the wrap-up from your Dr's exam room.
next time they keep me waiting, I'll be sure to have my mic and tripod handy
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I like that they have you on camera more. Like watching Casey on TFL. Thorough and not hard on the eyes either.
I like the fixed camera views better. If you can work on improving the angle I think that will be ideal.
Thanks, I'll give it a shot!
@@ryankassel5691I like the fixed camera too. Where I live in Europe holding a phone can give you a ticket of the equivalent of 200 USD and a point on your license which can lead to a suspension. I consider it dangerous, I know you guys do all you can to be safe, but I still don’t like it. You need to focus on the driving and be ready to react when other drivers do something unexpected. Stay safe and keep up the good work.
Nice job, Ryan. I liked the fixed camera view also. As you mentioned, it would've been better if you had it focused on the dash, so we could see the various parameters . Live and learn.
I liked the video. The EV6 GT is a "gas guzzler", but still managed to get the miles. eGMP vehicles are the sweet spot for affordable fast charging. Sadly none of the eGMP vehicles are efficient. Even the I6 isn't great, but better than the rest of the eGMP lineup. They are nice cars. Glad to see it was able to get the miles to make it worthy of a road trip recommendation. Thanks for pointing out the regen settings on the eGMP cars. You are right if you are in i-pedal it forces you to stay in AWD. L3 and ECO are probably the best settings to get the numbers.
I've been multiday road tripping for a while now and always need to accumulate more than 100 miles to make the next charger. As a result the 10-80% time and range is more important to me in evaluating the performance of a car road tripping. Some cars have really bad charging curves and would take much longer at charging stops than others. Furthermore, the time to pull off the highway, connect to the charger and get back on the hghway can add a lot of time to the trip. Therefore I perfer to minimize stops.
Thanks for the input! I hear what you’re saying. It’s tough to compare 10-80% times because 80% means something very different on a Kia EV6 (~180 miles of range) vs something like a Lucid Air (~400 miles of range). Your point about pulling off the highway is also really important, a lot of time can be spent driving around to get to a charger if it’s not directly off the highway. What car are you road tripping, and from where to where?
The bZ4X enables DC fast charging, which allows you to get 80% charge in just 30 minutes under ideal circumstances. This allows you to spend more time driving and less time waiting, in contrast to other models with inadequate charging infrastructure.
The GT has 21" rims btw not 20" as listed on the chart.
With my GT I could get a little over 3.0kW/m if going at 70-75mph. I'm able to get 208 miles from 100% to 2% which roughly is 3 hours of driving. In the city of course I could get higher but I choose not to drive on eco at level 3 regen. I have the GT trim people so I'm at normal on i-pedal. I'm around 2.3kW/m so I'm around 180 miles but I could go up to 250 miles if I wanted. Then again I only charge up to 80% normally so I'm more around 143 miles or less before I have to charge it again. I usually charge it around 20-30%. So basically I'm only using around 50-60% of the pack on the daily. I slow charge my car at home overnight but at the same time I don't want to be charging for more than 10 hours so that's why I don't wait too long to charge it again.
Thanks, that should be fixed now. Sounds like you're taking pretty good care of your battery!
I love Ryan.
Ryan's video is very clear in his methodology -- however he doesn't mention what regen level he has the car set to. This makes a HUGE difference in my EV6 GT, as you want Lvl 1-3 and not iPedal set. With iPedal, the front motors do not disconnect, and you suck down lots more energy. Level 1-3 will disconnect the front motors and be more efficient than the 2.2 you got. I routinely get 2.5-ish on Lvl 1 regen on roadtrips driving at 78-ish. You can confirm the front motors are disconnected by looking at the power gauge in the middle of the instrument cluster while accelerating.
around 12:25 he states that he is in Lvl 3
I’m hearing that Hyundai EGMP vehicles will stop battery preconditioning if you drop below 20% state of charge. You guys state that you precondition the battery before you charge from a 10% state of charge. So, does Kia NOT cut off preconditioning at 20%?
Here’s what I understand but if someone knows better please correct. Hyundai/Kia have tweaked the preconditioning logic a few times. On my Kia EV6 MY2022 the precondition can only be started by navigating to a fast charger and the car has to decide to activate it before the car hits SoC 20%. It will not activate below, but if active it will continue below. I don’t know when it shuts off. I rarely drive long distances when it’s so cold it would be relevant, last winter I had no DC charge from Oct to Apr so very little experience I admit. I understand the EV9 and likely Ioniq 9 have new software which allows manual activation of preconditioning. The facelift EV6 and ioniq 5 MY2025 have new software too and may have the manual preconditioning button too. This is one of the weaknesses of the eGMP software. There’s a channel called the The Ioniq Guy, he has great info on these cars and recently a rant on the issues with preconditioning. The car is great in many ways as this video also shows but there’s room for improvement.
The other comment has everything correct as far as I know, and it matches my experience from multiple EGMP vehicles. It’s definitely a pretty big flaw and can be pretty frustrating if it’s cold outside and you’re pulling into chargers at low SOC.
@@tomm5936 at least in eGMP cars pre-ccNC infotainment (where they have a pre-condition "button") the preconditioning navigating to a POC charger will indeed stop when the car reaches 18-19% SOC in my experience. So you gotta plan to arrive with over 20% in winter if you want good charging speeds. These batteries are sensitive even to a california "winter" where you have temps in the 50s during the daytime, preconditioning is good to do
@@tomm5936 you counteract this by pre-planning in ABRP and put in you want to arrive at chargers at 21% SOC. Then you gotta put in the chargers you want to have as waypoints into the stock nav and navigate to them to get preconditioning going
Fixed cameras are always preferred, IMO.
I'm not sure whether you've been able to test the RWD KIA EV6, but I was easily hitting 3.3 mi/kWh at 75 mph constant speed. Even at 80 mph, it should do extremely well in this test, considering it would also add close to 50 kWh in 15 minutes.
Okay, I guess I see it now. 132 miles for the RWD, which still seems a bit low to me, but conditions could also be a factor.
I wonder how not having a heat pump affects range.
I hope the ev3 has a heat pump while being fwd. I'll give props to GM Ultium vehicles all having a tesla like hp standard. I wish kia did the same.
@@sprockkets the Kia EV3 is on sale in Europe and at least here in Denmark it comes standard with a PTC heater. I tried to use the configuration tool and see if I could option a heat pump, but didn’t find it. For comparison the EV6 comes standard with a heat pump in Scandinavia/ Northern Europe, but in southern Europe it’s an option. In my opinion it’s a must have in a cold climate.
Hmm, I would have thought it would have went a little further. Charges like a monster, but its efficiency at 80 wasn't great.
I would love to see the difference between 75 and 80. I think once you get pass 65 the efficiency is effected more the faster you go. I could be way off. 🙂
It matters a lot, I'm getting OK efficiency with my EV9 at speeds up to 130kmh (=80mph) but at 140 or 160 then efficient is not a word I'd use to describe the situation.
It still charges so fast that it's worth it to drive faster, even though the efficiency is terrible. This generally applies to all the egmp cars.
Instead of physically accelerating the cars, I would like if you let the car decide its own acceleration by setting the cruise control to the testing speeds. No matter how accurate a human is, there is going to be minute variations always. Why not let the car decide instead?
Edited: I love the videos but am not a fan of the 80 mph speed. I'm not sure about the speed limits out west but most of them along the east coast is 70. 10 mph over would be a costly ticket. I'm curious to know where you come up with the 80 mph limit and if that's more the average in the U.S. Efficiency would be markedly better at 70 mph i would think.
In the Central States of USA like Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico etc. the highway speed limit is 75mph. In some Central States like Utah, Wyoming, Idaho etc. it goes upto 80mph. I guess it is okay to do upto 5mph above the limit, so you will find alot of vehicles doing 80mph+ in those states' Highways
Speed limits in a lot of the rural central U.S. are 80. Most people here in Utah cruise between 85-87 mph, so I think 80 on this test is a good medium.
70 mph is the most common max speed limit for the most populated areas of the country, but there are a decent number of states with 75 to 80 mph speed limits. The thing to note, though, is that the faster the speed limit, the less tolerance there usually is for driving over. For instance, you could easily get a ticket for doing 84 mph on the 80 mph stretch through Beaver, UT, but you're unlikely to get a ticket for doing 79 mph on a 70 mph stretch of I-5 through Central California. There's even a section of I-40 heading into Arizona from California where you see people slam on the brakes as they enter Arizona even though they are going from a 70 mph speed limit to a 75 mph speed limit (zero tolerance for speeding by the AZ Highway Patrol).
They also do 70mph driving range tests. You can see them on their other channels and can also go to their website "OutofSpecStudios" to see the graphs for most, but not all, of the range test videos they do. For example, the 2024 Highland Model 3 has been tested (both the RWD LR and the AWD LR) and you can see it on their videos, but their result are not listed on their website.
Click on the "Charging Test", tab. There, you can see both the charging speeds as well as their 70mpg total range graphs.
I have an EV6 GT. I drive between 65 and 70 on the highway and I get over 3 mi./kWh. Around town if I drive conservatively I can get almost 4 mi./ kWh. It all depends on how you drive it. I do live in California where the weather is good for EVs.
Shut your headlight off
I don't know if 80mph really represents a true test. Large parts of the country doesn't allow for such speeds.
I think the data is good though because then it represents the worst case scenario. You can use this as your baseline and pretty much guarantee you'll get better results.
Yes, this has been my concern as well. It's 10 to 15 mph faster than the max speed limit (often enforced) for a lot of the country. I think 75 mph would be a better, universal speed, but this is close to the worst-case-scenario driving.
They also do 70mph driving range tests. You can see them on their other channels and can also go to their website "OutofSpecStudios" to see the graphs for most, but not all, of the range test videos they do. For example, the 2024 Highland Model 3 has been tested (both the RWD LR and the AWD LR) and you can see it on their videos, but their result are not listed on their website.
Click on the "Charging Test", tab. There, you can see both the charging speeds as well as their 70mpg total range graphs.
@@newscoulomb3705 they already do a 70mph 100 to 0 test.
They certainly found out on the I-90 Surge that doing 80 mph is going to get them tickets left and right on many interstates.