Thanks for this comparison! We do a 700 mile road trip regularly during the summer and it’s pretty easy to get 10-80 in 18 minutes. My hope and I really do hope, is that other cars will be using the Tesla networks and that will free up the ccs chargers for my EV6.
Ryan bjorn nyland from Norway would be proud of your video . He loves to do these . Only he talks like a auctioneer during it comparing the charging speeds it is really funny
Great video! Just note that 2025 IONIQ 5N and 2025 EV6 GT keep CCS as they are built in Korea, not the US. NACS is being added to the regular IONIQ 5 and EV6, that part is true.
I don't think it's so much of a question of choosing between Tesla's reliability versus CCS's faster charging. For eGMP people I think it's going to be more of: default to CCS and go to Tesla to close a gap. That along with Tesla's offloading of other cars to their Network should help make that a little more pleasant find making CCS charging more available.
I have a 2023 EV6 GT line and I love it. I wouldn't trade it in for the newer model. I don't have a problem with the CCS plug and I don't want to have to get an adapter to plug into my home charger. We use it a lot for road trips and it doesn't give us very many problems. I live here in Colorado and while a rear wiper would be nice I don't feel it's all that necessary. I also have a Kia stinger which definitely does not have a rear wiper so I think I'm kind of used to the back windows being a little dirty but yeah no problems there. We got a great price on our car and I can't see having to make a monthly payment where ours is paid off now would be beneficial.
Well kia didn't add a wiper. For me, having nacs adds 277 volt charging, and while it is slower than 240v, will come in handy since 277v charging is easier to setup for commercial stations.
Thanks Ryan. Great information. The charging curves are very helpful. This is similar to my experience charging my Mach E on Tesla supercharger vs Electrify America. The big difference is that the Tesla chargers are reliable and available, which more than offsets the lower charge level. Keep posting these types of videos.
I always go to a CCS charger on road trips unless I don't have time issues. We've used magic docks and I think the fastest that I've gotten on my EV6 has been about 80kw.
The irony is that the EGMP curve is so good that Ionic Guy did a side by side race on a Tesla charger and even having to voltage boost the EGMP car charged faster than a Tesla.
Tesla need to get cracking on their V4 rollout, along with upgrading old sites, otherwise a lot of new non-Tesla NACS capable EV owners are going to have a poor experience.
Excellent analysis one thing to know about Tessa versus electrify America is charging stalls and wait times charging at Tesla locations whereas with EA you may have a 15 minute wait before you even get to the use the charger.
Electrify America should’ve expanded the amount of stars when they were replacing the units. The one by me was changed out left as a forest stall and every day there’s always 5 to 6 cars in line especially during the weekend.
15 min wait before charging at EA is the best case scenario in my area. The waits are usually closer to an hour, where its faster for me to plug into a 50kwh fast charger
Can’t get preconditioning below 20 percent (at least on all but the 2025 model) means you can’t get a good 10-80 or 0-80 charging session on either when ambient is below 60 F plus charger availability is a joke on CCS. In the west coast CCS always has a line to plug in and Tesla doesn’t, should mention that. Great test as always. Typically the car will say it’s pulling 97 pk on Tesla so it seems like 3-5 kw is going to heating the battery and losses.
Even an EA 150Kw charger is faster for an Ioniq 5 N than a supercharger. Currently, the supercharger network's only advantages are availability, cost, and amenities.
I have the 5N it too charges much slower than regular 5. At 90% I drop to a max of 27kw. The normal 5 I could hold 48kw right to 95%. The 5N is known to charge SLOWER on top. I own both. Big difference.
Hyundai/Kia access to Superchargers is a big deal and getting 120kW with the 2025 model years is a notable selling point, especially with the EV6's revised charging port type & location.
Ryan at 15:58 I'd like to offer a slight correction. You won't have to buy or use an adapter. You just avoid tesla since it's not worth spending $180 on an adapter to slow charge. With NEVI chargers coming online the days of tesla being the only game in town are over.
I wonder whether Trump/Musk will be able to slow down the NEVI rollout - while Tesla would benefit from the subsidies for new charging stations, Musk seems to want to lock in Tesla first mover advantages which give the company advantages both in charging locations as well as scale/efficiency advantages resulting in lower costs than OEMs (thus undermining the cost lowering benefits of the $7500 tax credit more for the latter than for Tesla). Still this is short sighted since EV adoption depends on having a broad range of choices and the maximum possible number of chargers. Tesla's own flagging sales would be further impacted by the absence of the $7500 credit as it would be left with a greater share of a diminishing market.
@@drdan3 The NEVI rollout slowdown will be blunted by the fact that private companies are starting to turn a profit on Fast Charging. EVGO announced that they will be EBITDA positive starting with year and they anticipate their profit margins increasing (as a %) onwards. As far as cars go, Hyundai-Kia just brought online a mega factory in Georgia that cost close to 7B dollars - they are looking to sell more EVs than previous years.
Drive 6+ miles off the highway to go to an EA station only to find a Bolt on a 350 and the other 350 derated, 2 chargers occupied with EVs charging to 100%, and 2 broken chargers. If I owned a Hyundai or a Kia EV, I'd still prefer Tesla Superchargers on a road trip. Reliability trumps all. My charging stops range from 10-25 minutes in my Model Y, already barely enough time to have a bathroom break, get a snack/drink, and walk the dog.
@@verygoodbrother Not likely since Superchargers will be more expensive for them than other chargers. They definitely won't be getting free charging like they sometimes have gotten from GM.
@@AlexBerman1 Then there's scale. Tesla built 3600 Superchargers worldwide in Q4 2024, and probably half of those were in the US. Tesla's shaping up to not only to be the DC charging superpower, but to maintain it. I think they'll out pace the growth of 50 kW charging Bolts. Bolts clog up 4 charging post EAs, usually, not 8 to 100 charging post Supercharging stations. There are a lot of 4 station EAs. ..... Oh! And Superchargers are reliable. Bolts can clog up 8 station EAs when half of them are broken.
From what I can tell, the charging performance on 350kw stations is actually slightly worse on the refreshed models. So you’re trading top end speed for higher supercharging speed.
No charge curve on CCS for the I5N? That the Tesla charge is slowing than the CCS charge for e-GMP is not remotely news. That there is improvement with the 25 vs older e-GMP is, and is interesting. The message on this is unclear, at one point we get that it is huge, at another no biggie. There is useful information here, but the presentation is uncharacteristically poor.
Apparently to Hyundai/Kia owners the update is worth it just for the rear window wiper give how vocal they were about getting it added.
I know I shouldn’t but if someone with an older Ioniq 5 is behind me in traffic I always wash my rear screen. 🤭
Thanks for this comparison! We do a 700 mile road trip regularly during the summer and it’s pretty easy to get 10-80 in 18 minutes. My hope and I really do hope, is that other cars will be using the Tesla networks and that will free up the ccs chargers for my EV6.
Ryan's voice is very soothing to me.
Ryan bjorn nyland from Norway would be proud of your video . He loves to do these . Only he talks like a auctioneer during it comparing the charging speeds it is really funny
Great video! Just note that 2025 IONIQ 5N and 2025 EV6 GT keep CCS as they are built in Korea, not the US. NACS is being added to the regular IONIQ 5 and EV6, that part is true.
I don't think it's so much of a question of choosing between Tesla's reliability versus CCS's faster charging. For eGMP people I think it's going to be more of: default to CCS and go to Tesla to close a gap. That along with Tesla's offloading of other cars to their Network should help make that a little more pleasant find making CCS charging more available.
Hi Ryan. Thank you for this content.
I have a 2023 EV6 GT line and I love it. I wouldn't trade it in for the newer model. I don't have a problem with the CCS plug and I don't want to have to get an adapter to plug into my home charger. We use it a lot for road trips and it doesn't give us very many problems. I live here in Colorado and while a rear wiper would be nice I don't feel it's all that necessary. I also have a Kia stinger which definitely does not have a rear wiper so I think I'm kind of used to the back windows being a little dirty but yeah no problems there. We got a great price on our car and I can't see having to make a monthly payment where ours is paid off now would be beneficial.
Well kia didn't add a wiper.
For me, having nacs adds 277 volt charging, and while it is slower than 240v, will come in handy since 277v charging is easier to setup for commercial stations.
Thank you for starting to do comparison videos like Bjorn Nyland. that is definitely the way to do it.
Thanks Ryan. Great information. The charging curves are very helpful. This is similar to my experience charging my Mach E on Tesla supercharger vs Electrify America. The big difference is that the Tesla chargers are reliable and available, which more than offsets the lower charge level. Keep posting these types of videos.
I always go to a CCS charger on road trips unless I don't have time issues. We've used magic docks and I think the fastest that I've gotten on my EV6 has been about 80kw.
Small note, even a regular ioniq 5 on a 120kw does not exhibit the Korean siesta.
It only occurs at high amp charging sessions.
did the ioniq5 beat the tesla model 3 at super charger?
it did 10-80. teslas are pretty bad.
@@laloajuria4678takes an expensive battery in egmp stuff to do it.
Kinda torn because they use more cobalt to do it.
Rear motor inverter temperature?
The irony is that the EGMP curve is so good that Ionic Guy did a side by side race on a Tesla charger and even having to voltage boost the EGMP car charged faster than a Tesla.
Tesla need to get cracking on their V4 rollout, along with upgrading old sites, otherwise a lot of new non-Tesla NACS capable EV owners are going to have a poor experience.
why?
Now that it controls the government and that nacs has been imposed as a monopolistic standard, it will do what it wants.
Excellent analysis one thing to know about Tessa versus electrify America is charging stalls and wait times charging at Tesla locations whereas with EA you may have a 15 minute wait before you even get to the use the charger.
Electrify America should’ve expanded the amount of stars when they were replacing the units. The one by me was changed out left as a forest stall and every day there’s always 5 to 6 cars in line especially during the weekend.
so at either brand, it will take you 30 mins to go 10-80 in a Hyundai/Kia
15 min wait before charging at EA is the best case scenario in my area. The waits are usually closer to an hour, where its faster for me to plug into a 50kwh fast charger
@ they definitely need increase the amount of charges per location 4 units on Avg does cut it anymore
@@581rma the only times my nearest EA doesn't have 4 cars waiting for one of the 4 pedestals (on 2 cabinets) is 12-5am
Can’t get preconditioning below 20 percent (at least on all but the 2025 model) means you can’t get a good 10-80 or 0-80 charging session on either when ambient is below 60 F plus charger availability is a joke on CCS. In the west coast CCS always has a line to plug in and Tesla doesn’t, should mention that. Great test as always. Typically the car will say it’s pulling 97 pk on Tesla so it seems like 3-5 kw is going to heating the battery and losses.
Even an EA 150Kw charger is faster for an Ioniq 5 N than a supercharger. Currently, the supercharger network's only advantages are availability, cost, and amenities.
I have the 5N it too charges much slower than regular 5. At 90% I drop to a max of 27kw. The normal 5 I could hold 48kw right to 95%. The 5N is known to charge SLOWER on top. I own both. Big difference.
Hyundai/Kia access to Superchargers is a big deal and getting 120kW with the 2025 model years is a notable selling point, especially with the EV6's revised charging port type & location.
Did he record this while waiting for his doctor in a hospital room? 🤣
Like I always do! 😉😂
Ryan at 15:58 I'd like to offer a slight correction. You won't have to buy or use an adapter. You just avoid tesla since it's not worth spending $180 on an adapter to slow charge. With NEVI chargers coming online the days of tesla being the only game in town are over.
I wonder whether Trump/Musk will be able to slow down the NEVI rollout - while Tesla would benefit from the subsidies for new charging stations, Musk seems to want to lock in Tesla first mover advantages which give the company advantages both in charging locations as well as scale/efficiency advantages resulting in lower costs than OEMs (thus undermining the cost lowering benefits of the $7500 tax credit more for the latter than for Tesla). Still this is short sighted since EV adoption depends on having a broad range of choices and the maximum possible number of chargers. Tesla's own flagging sales would be further impacted by the absence of the $7500 credit as it would be left with a greater share of a diminishing market.
@@drdan3 The NEVI rollout slowdown will be blunted by the fact that private companies are starting to turn a profit on Fast Charging. EVGO announced that they will be EBITDA positive starting with year and they anticipate their profit margins increasing (as a %) onwards. As far as cars go, Hyundai-Kia just brought online a mega factory in Georgia that cost close to 7B dollars - they are looking to sell more EVs than previous years.
Drive 6+ miles off the highway to go to an EA station only to find a Bolt on a 350 and the other 350 derated, 2 chargers occupied with EVs charging to 100%, and 2 broken chargers. If I owned a Hyundai or a Kia EV, I'd still prefer Tesla Superchargers on a road trip. Reliability trumps all. My charging stops range from 10-25 minutes in my Model Y, already barely enough time to have a bathroom break, get a snack/drink, and walk the dog.
As more cars transition to NACS, the more likely you will see a Bolt camping at a Tesla Supercharger.
@@verygoodbrother Not likely since Superchargers will be more expensive for them than other chargers. They definitely won't be getting free charging like they sometimes have gotten from GM.
@@777OutriggerSuperchargers seem cheaper these days than other stations. No bolts have free charging.
@@AlexBerman1 Then there's scale. Tesla built 3600 Superchargers worldwide in Q4 2024, and probably half of those were in the US. Tesla's shaping up to not only to be the DC charging superpower, but to maintain it. I think they'll out pace the growth of 50 kW charging Bolts. Bolts clog up 4 charging post EAs, usually, not 8 to 100 charging post Supercharging stations. There are a lot of 4 station EAs. ..... Oh! And Superchargers are reliable. Bolts can clog up 8 station EAs when half of them are broken.
@ My use of a Bolt was symbolic of many many EV makers offering free charging if you buy their EV models.
From what I can tell, the charging performance on 350kw stations is actually slightly worse on the refreshed models. So you’re trading top end speed for higher supercharging speed.
Source?
No charge curve on CCS for the I5N?
That the Tesla charge is slowing than the CCS charge for e-GMP is not remotely news. That there is improvement with the 25 vs older e-GMP is, and is interesting. The message on this is unclear, at one point we get that it is huge, at another no biggie.
There is useful information here, but the presentation is uncharacteristically poor.