We took our '22 EV6 RWD Wind Long Range on a 2000mi road trip(round trip) this summer and the car did outstanding. We didn't precondition the battery before charging and the car would easily pull 232kw without any noticeable throttling. We'd come off the highway, plug in and within 12-14 minutes, the car's ready to go again at 80-85% charge. While charging, we wouldn't wait in the car nor would we leave the HVAC running. Because the 4 of us we were sitting for about 3 hours, we'd all want to get up and walk around, get food, use bathrooms etc. When getting back in the car, sure it's very hot because it was Summer but we did the same thing we'd do in a gas car to cool off the cabin quickly: We'd turn the car on with the A/C running and put all the windows down. After about 30 seconds, put the windows up and the car is cooled back down comfortable cabin temps within a minute or 2. The longest charge time we saw was 16 minutes, going from 20% to 83% SoC. I can't say enough great things about the performance of the car. I'm thoroughly impressed.
That is impressive. I'm guessing the battery was warm enough from ambient temperature to charge fast. Just be aware that if you fail to precondition in lower ambient temperatures it will throttle your speed and if for some reason it doesn't you are massively increasing the risk of damage to the cells due to dendrite formation.
@@Stewiedude1 Good to know. We're not too concerned. We don't normally fast charge. That road trip was the first and only time we've fast charged this car since we purchased it. We normally charge entirely at home
@@xpya18 nothing because we don't fast charge often. I was just detailing a 2000 mile road trip we went on. We normally charge at regular speeds at home
the curve being so strong above 30% made switching to my model 3 really difficult. Cybertruck could use a curve like that. I mean it has nearly double the capacity. Where is the double charging speed? EV6/ioniq5 is 3.3C at 50% Cybertruck is 1C.....
This is the one I have, although a 2023 EU model with a heat pump. No issues except for quite a few software updates requiring scheduling free service at the Kia shop. Just switched out the 12V battery for an AGM dual purpose one. The one it comes with is a cheap start/stop one that discharges uncomfortably fast.
Note that eGMP does NOT use the heat pump for battery preconditioning. Some models have a separate 5kW resistive coolant heater. That car DOES have the ability to precondition even though it does not have a heat pump.
I like my EV6 for long Trips much better than my ID3 (which is a good city car). In Germany the sweetpoint for fast traveling the EV6 is about 160km/h or 100 miles/h. Unfortunately although theoretically 70% of the Autobahn is without speed limit, practical it is almost the opposite. Nowadays only 30% is realy free, because of traffic or construction zones.
12:57 It would be nice if you noted the calculated density altitude before each test. It's not just your physical elevation, it's the atmospheric conditions that matter greatly.
This one should do pretty well. I comfortably finished a the last ~120 mile leg of my 1,000 km test in the RWD on less than a 12-min charge on a 150 kW charger (it added nearly 30 kWh, if memory serves). Of course, my speed limit was 70-75 mph, so the extra speed could impact some of the results.
My experience charging these cars is: It will hold around 225-230ish (depending on outside temp, if car is per-conditioned) to about 50% or a bit past, but around 50ish. Drops to around 180s (182-185) around that time, and holds that to around 0-65%, then it drops to about just below 120 kWhs, and you don't want to go much beyond 80 percent, and rankly, I usually stop around 65% unless I need the extra range (and that should give me plenty or ranch). So, that is usually 13 to 15 mins depending conditions. according to Out of Spec range its either 140-160 mi. gained (again, depeding conditions, and the low number is the Test Jordan Did, the other is the Kyle Test, both AWD Wind trims. If you look at Tom' test in Inside EV, it would be around 159 or so... But hose drops are not thermal throttling, they're how Hyundai/Kaia designed the curve. (There are some times where the car will drop to about 30-35 kWh for 2 to 5 mins, but then climbs back to 180, or 120 depending...Seen plenty of that when I do the 80% charges for longer stretches, or climbing the Rockies). Car DOES charge like a Monster (so does Ioniq5; however, this car is the more aerodynamic, and I would ahve gotten a RWD, though I do appprciate the extra power, and AWD for snow in Utah winters. I do like the Ioniq 5, and have Leased one, enjoy that it has more convenient cargo room, and the rear seat is better for passengers. However, I prefer the looks of the EV6 inside, and I LOVE the interior of the EV6 over the Ioniq 5 (I like the Ioniq's interior, but prefer Kia's). Properly configured, I'd figure the AWD would do close to this result (based on my experience). definitely over 100 to 110 miles I think? WOuld like to see that test (of a EV^ 77.4kWh AWD. GOod result, though! Charge 15 mins, and drive for over 100 miles, ... Awesome car! and you can get one of thes for around 50K....
The charging performance is what drove me into a EV6 Wind RWD. The only thing I'm really missing is the heat pump and heated steering wheel. I'm waiting to see how my range is once the temps really drop. But I see great highway range at 80 MPH
Is that the EVGO location right by 130 toll road? I've been wanting to go check that one out. So in 15 minutes you got 132 miles of range, That's pretty dang good.
it's funny, i feel as though this car flies under the radar when it comes to the E-GMP cars. Everyone seems to think of the EV9 the Ioniq 5 and 6, it's like this car isn't EV styled or distinctive enough even though it's a nice looking car.
I drive this car except the heatpump is standard here in nothern Europe. It’s a great car in my opinion. I don’t see many of them compared to how many ID4s and other EVs I see, I don’t understand why.
Across Europe, pricing for the facelift version is finally being published. The result should be better than this, not only because the battery is bigger, but also the peak charging speed has increased, and as a small bonus, in some markets the base RWD trim with the big battery is 4-5% cheaper than the outgoing version.
I do believe that is incorrect about the RWDs not being able to precondition. The battery can still be cooled by the AC compressor, and it has a resistive battery heater in 2023+ models. That’s how it is on the Ioniq 5s, at least. 2022 RWD was the only year that lacked battery preconditioning via nav and cannot be added because they lack the PTC heater on that model year. Kia folks, correct me if I’m off base here…
Great video, although from the data in the screen, the average speed was 73,4 mph and not 79 mph which is the usual case in the other tests. Given the traffic, this is understandable. 16:22 shows 132,2 miles driven in 108 minutes = 73,4 mph average speed.
Unfortunately the charging networks in America lets down all the 800v vehicles. Because only Tesla has a rock solid reliable network, I will only be buying EVs with a 400v architecture that can charge decently on a Supercharger.
No, on the current EV6 in the US, the RWD only cars do not get a heat pump, regardless of trim or battery size. I haven't seen the US specs for the 2025 yet. I understand that is not necessarily true in Canada or the Europe.
Pity about the thermal issues, you probably could have added an extra 5 or 10 miles if you maxed out the curve. Edit: the drop to 188kw was maybe a couple of percent sooner than expected, but it should have stayed above 170kw till beyond 80% By my math you lost 1 kWh or so. So yeah 3 to 5 miles more if you tried again.
LOL you honestly believe it makes a difference? I have EV6Gt and get 2.2 miles per kilowatt because I shred tires and use soooo much electricity ripping my 600hp! That is all most people care about. People are finding out EVs have double the power and can save a few bucks in the long term. No one cares about the planet earth honestly or they would ride their bike, not fly and take mass transit. Think about it.
I do have issues is when I charge at home with my Tesla universal connector. it can only charge at 11.1KW for less than an hour and then it drops to around 5.1KW. i know this is not my charger as my Lightning chargers at 11.2KW for its full session.
14:02 shows a lot of wind....Not sure how you were getting such a low m/kWh number. Perhaps you should do the top 5 all at at the same time before you declare a winner.
7:40 This is not accurate. The RWD EV6 supports battery preconditioning (2022 requires a software update) even though it does not have a heat pump. The 2022 Ioniq 5 RWD has different hardware and, as far as I know, does not support preconditioning. These two cars are mechanically very similar but not identical.
I've been waiting for this one for quite awhile! Branden you mentioned the RWD doesn't have a heat pump and thus can't precondition. My 2023 RWD has battery preconditioning, seems odd they would remove that for the 2024 MY, perhaps you're mistaken?
@@brandenflasch No, it does not require a heat pump. Apparently all US EV6s come with a PTC battery heater, though early 2022 models did not have preconditioning (though can be upgraded by the dealer with software). If you have the option to turn on "Winter Mode" in the settings, than your car has preconditioning. Unfortunately, preconditioning cannot be manually turned on; instead you have to have Winter Mode turned on in settings (is off by default) and then use Kia's Navigation software to navigate to a recognized DC fast charger.
@@brandenflasch I can't say for certain what the 2024 has but my 2023 does have preconditioning. I believe all models with the 77kwh battery come with a battery heater that is independent of the cabin heater. If you still have the car you can check if it has preconditioning in the settings menu for EV Settings.
My problem with these 10% challenges is that they’re supposed to be representative of a road trip experience but you don’t deduct wait times or at the very least the handshake time between plug in and charge start. Tesla is king in real world experience.
"Good charging if you are lucky enough to have the perfect conditions as well as cell temperatures balances embarrassing efficiency." Uninfluencered it for you.
We took our '22 EV6 RWD Wind Long Range on a 2000mi road trip(round trip) this summer and the car did outstanding.
We didn't precondition the battery before charging and the car would easily pull 232kw without any noticeable throttling. We'd come off the highway, plug in and within 12-14 minutes, the car's ready to go again at 80-85% charge.
While charging, we wouldn't wait in the car nor would we leave the HVAC running. Because the 4 of us we were sitting for about 3 hours, we'd all want to get up and walk around, get food, use bathrooms etc. When getting back in the car, sure it's very hot because it was Summer but we did the same thing we'd do in a gas car to cool off the cabin quickly: We'd turn the car on with the A/C running and put all the windows down. After about 30 seconds, put the windows up and the car is cooled back down comfortable cabin temps within a minute or 2.
The longest charge time we saw was 16 minutes, going from 20% to 83% SoC. I can't say enough great things about the performance of the car. I'm thoroughly impressed.
That is impressive. I'm guessing the battery was warm enough from ambient temperature to charge fast.
Just be aware that if you fail to precondition in lower ambient temperatures it will throttle your speed and if for some reason it doesn't you are massively increasing the risk of damage to the cells due to dendrite formation.
@@Stewiedude1 Good to know. We're not too concerned. We don't normally fast charge. That road trip was the first and only time we've fast charged this car since we purchased it. We normally charge entirely at home
So what happens to battery life charging at those speeds for that long. Can't believe it's good.
@@xpya18 nothing because we don't fast charge often. I was just detailing a 2000 mile road trip we went on. We normally charge at regular speeds at home
@@theblubus I'm not sure Dr. Jeff Dahn would agree and I don't trust Hyundai/Kia battery management system.
2024 EV6 Wind AWD with Tech package owner and man do I love this car. Road-tripping has been so easy with it!
Great efficiency AND ultra-fast charging, this Wind RWD trim is the sweet spot of the EV6 range.
I love the upload being in HDR!
looks great
Just imagine this level of charging performance in a Model 3...
Or EV6 with Tesla efficiency! 😁
the curve being so strong above 30% made switching to my model 3 really difficult. Cybertruck could use a curve like that. I mean it has nearly double the capacity. Where is the double charging speed?
EV6/ioniq5 is 3.3C at 50%
Cybertruck is 1C.....
@@RoamingNorway that could work too, but Tesla does the route planning, etc really well
@@joel89039 Cybertruck charging is a joke
@@joel89039 Cybertruck's battery cooling is subpar. Even with its weak curve it gets much hotter than the Taycan.
Branden makes great videos.
Wow, the 2025 model should do even better with its larger capacity battery and better efficiency, Hyundai / Kia E-GMP just rocks!
They upped the charging speeds too to keep the 18 mins 10-80% time!
@anthonyc8499 Yup i have a 25 ioniq5 with the bigger battery. max speed ive gotten was over 265kwh
We have a 2022 EV6, love it, no problems at all
Oh nice! you were in my area. I know the toll really well. Using an F150 Lightning going 85 eats the power so much.
This is the one I have, although a 2023 EU model with a heat pump. No issues except for quite a few software updates requiring scheduling free service at the Kia shop.
Just switched out the 12V battery for an AGM dual purpose one. The one it comes with is a cheap start/stop one that discharges uncomfortably fast.
Thanks so much for this video! The EV6 is one great looking car. Looking at this Ioniq5 or Mach-E GT as my first EV!!
Yea I have a Spark EV 2014 that I just bought in July I love it!
Those little spark evs are surprisingly zippy and fun little cars. Perfect for city driving.
Thanks, Branden. Not at all surprised by these results, but I'm still waiting on the Silverado EV 10% challenge. 😈
Finally, a new one from you!
I like your methodology. Eventually, all EV's will be judged based upin how much charge they can get in 15 minutes.
Note that eGMP does NOT use the heat pump for battery preconditioning. Some models have a separate 5kW resistive coolant heater. That car DOES have the ability to precondition even though it does not have a heat pump.
Really enjoyed watching this, well done, especially because I lived in Austin for 33 years and recognized all the roads. :-)
What is it about EVgo screens that they always look like someone took an angle grinder to them?
Every time I see a new video, I'm excited!
I like my EV6 for long Trips much better than my ID3 (which is a good city car). In Germany the sweetpoint for fast traveling the EV6 is about 160km/h or 100 miles/h. Unfortunately although theoretically 70% of the Autobahn is without speed limit, practical it is almost the opposite. Nowadays only 30% is realy free, because of traffic or construction zones.
12:57 It would be nice if you noted the calculated density altitude before each test. It's not just your physical elevation, it's the atmospheric conditions that matter greatly.
bore off
Matter greatly?! Come on.......
HDR, nice !
Can you show the website with the competing cars in the end of these videos? Would put the number in to context!
Nice job!!!
This one should do pretty well. I comfortably finished a the last ~120 mile leg of my 1,000 km test in the RWD on less than a 12-min charge on a 150 kW charger (it added nearly 30 kWh, if memory serves). Of course, my speed limit was 70-75 mph, so the extra speed could impact some of the results.
Could you guys do a video of the 2024 Ford E transit fully loaded range test? Really want to know this for Van life potential
My experience charging these cars is: It will hold around 225-230ish (depending on outside temp, if car is per-conditioned) to about 50% or a bit past, but around 50ish. Drops to around 180s (182-185) around that time, and holds that to around 0-65%, then it drops to about just below 120 kWhs, and you don't want to go much beyond 80 percent, and rankly, I usually stop around 65% unless I need the extra range (and that should give me plenty or ranch). So, that is usually 13 to 15 mins depending conditions. according to Out of Spec range its either 140-160 mi. gained (again, depeding conditions, and the low number is the Test Jordan Did, the other is the Kyle Test, both AWD Wind trims. If you look at Tom' test in Inside EV, it would be around 159 or so... But hose drops are not thermal throttling, they're how Hyundai/Kaia designed the curve. (There are some times where the car will drop to about 30-35 kWh for 2 to 5 mins, but then climbs back to 180, or 120 depending...Seen plenty of that when I do the 80% charges for longer stretches, or climbing the Rockies). Car DOES charge like a Monster (so does Ioniq5; however, this car is the more aerodynamic, and I would ahve gotten a RWD, though I do appprciate the extra power, and AWD for snow in Utah winters. I do like the Ioniq 5, and have Leased one, enjoy that it has more convenient cargo room, and the rear seat is better for passengers. However, I prefer the looks of the EV6 inside, and I LOVE the interior of the EV6 over the Ioniq 5 (I like the Ioniq's interior, but prefer Kia's).
Properly configured, I'd figure the AWD would do close to this result (based on my experience). definitely over 100 to 110 miles I think? WOuld like to see that test (of a EV^ 77.4kWh AWD. GOod result, though! Charge 15 mins, and drive for over 100 miles, ... Awesome car! and you can get one of thes for around 50K....
The charging performance is what drove me into a EV6 Wind RWD. The only thing I'm really missing is the heat pump and heated steering wheel. I'm waiting to see how my range is once the temps really drop. But I see great highway range at 80 MPH
If Hyundai/kia could get their software anywhere near Tesla, they might just convert some Tesla owners.
Is that the EVGO location right by 130 toll road? I've been wanting to go check that one out. So in 15 minutes you got 132 miles of range, That's pretty dang good.
Does Branden wear sunglasses at night? 😎
This is on par with my road trip, I just wish charging wasn't so iffy
Kia would be my 3rd option after
Tesla and Rivian.
Nice
it's funny, i feel as though this car flies under the radar when it comes to the E-GMP cars. Everyone seems to think of the EV9 the Ioniq 5 and 6, it's like this car isn't EV styled or distinctive enough even though it's a nice looking car.
I drive this car except the heatpump is standard here in nothern Europe. It’s a great car in my opinion. I don’t see many of them compared to how many ID4s and other EVs I see, I don’t understand why.
why is the charge station not always open?
Please do the Ioniq 6 next! Same charge curve, but much better efficiency so it should be about 140+ miles matching or beating the Taycan
Your hair looks good👍
I'm signing on a crazy lease deal on an EV6 tomorrow. So worried I'm in over my head...
I have an Ioniq6. Huzzah to Kia and Hyundai!!
Across Europe, pricing for the facelift version is finally being published. The result should be better than this, not only because the battery is bigger, but also the peak charging speed has increased, and as a small bonus, in some markets the base RWD trim with the big battery is 4-5% cheaper than the outgoing version.
Technically the battery is the same size, just updated chemistry with more capacity
5:50 I don't sit with the AC blasting and my freaking door wide open...
I do believe that is incorrect about the RWDs not being able to precondition. The battery can still be cooled by the AC compressor, and it has a resistive battery heater in 2023+ models. That’s how it is on the Ioniq 5s, at least. 2022 RWD was the only year that lacked battery preconditioning via nav and cannot be added because they lack the PTC heater on that model year.
Kia folks, correct me if I’m off base here…
You left the door open for the whole test? That would have put so much extra stress on the HVAC and taken cooling power from the battery.
Is there a comparison table of tested cars? 🤔
see their website for the chart
Will the charging curve be different on a Tesla supercharger?
I'm just curious how those door handles will perform during the winter/icy/snow,,,etc
Now imagine if you were doing 70mph instead of killing efficiency at 80mph!
They do that test too. But this give a nice single number to use as a benchmark
I like worst case scenarios. Having a good planning number is useful. Also, 70 into a 10 mph head wind is a common event.
If you drive 70 in Texas you get run over my friend.
Great video, although from the data in the screen, the average speed was 73,4 mph and not 79 mph which is the usual case in the other tests. Given the traffic, this is understandable.
16:22 shows 132,2 miles driven in 108 minutes = 73,4 mph average speed.
Skewed by 0mph sitting at lights, but the driven miles were at 80mph as consistently as possible
@@OutofSpecReviews totally understandable !
Unfortunately the charging networks in America lets down all the 800v vehicles. Because only Tesla has a rock solid reliable network, I will only be buying EVs with a 400v architecture that can charge decently on a Supercharger.
RWD LR EV6 and Ioniq 5 do have the heat pump system. I believe the standard battery cars are the only ones without
No, on the current EV6 in the US, the RWD only cars do not get a heat pump, regardless of trim or battery size. I haven't seen the US specs for the 2025 yet. I understand that is not necessarily true in Canada or the Europe.
It depends on the market. Where I live in Northern Europe heat pump is standard but not every country gets it standard.
@@davidnielson9139My mistake, I guess it’s only for Ioniq 5. Can’t believe Kia hasn’t made such an important change yet.
@@tomm5936 Well yes, I’m speaking about the US market as that what is being referenced in this video.
Pity about the thermal issues, you probably could have added an extra 5 or 10 miles if you maxed out the curve.
Edit: the drop to 188kw was maybe a couple of percent sooner than expected, but it should have stayed above 170kw till beyond 80%
By my math you lost 1 kWh or so. So yeah 3 to 5 miles more if you tried again.
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LOL you honestly believe it makes a difference? I have EV6Gt and get 2.2 miles per kilowatt because I shred tires and use soooo much electricity ripping my 600hp! That is all most people care about. People are finding out EVs have double the power and can save a few bucks in the long term. No one cares about the planet earth honestly or they would ride their bike, not fly and take mass transit. Think about it.
The fact that you are waiting for a charges says a lot about the road tripping ability doesn't it?
I do have issues is when I charge at home with my Tesla universal connector. it can only charge at 11.1KW for less than an hour and then it drops to around 5.1KW. i know this is not my charger as my Lightning chargers at 11.2KW for its full session.
14:49 what's weird about U-turn lane? It's nice not to have to wait at the lights.
The U-turn lane isn't that weird. The weird part in Texas is the "feeder roads" that run one way alongside both sides of the freeways.
@@davidnielson9139 Yep. (BTW I was born in Houston and lived there for 42 years).
Can you guys do the Kia EV6 GT next please?!?!?
Now, do the test in ECO-mode
14:02 shows a lot of wind....Not sure how you were getting such a low m/kWh number. Perhaps you should do the top 5 all at at the same time before you declare a winner.
This guy reminds me of Joyce myers.
Keeping the AC on and the door open at the same time is just stoopid
Enjoy some tasty Texas barbecue while you're in the area!
I've done this charge test when I had my Ioniq 5, and I got 50.5kWh. But I peaked at 244kw. Your speed was a little slow
good content
Nice test, but the charger negotiation and setup time should be included in the 15 minutes as that would better resemble a real world situation.
7:40 This is not accurate. The RWD EV6 supports battery preconditioning (2022 requires a software update) even though it does not have a heat pump.
The 2022 Ioniq 5 RWD has different hardware and, as far as I know, does not support preconditioning. These two cars are mechanically very similar but not identical.
I've been waiting for this one for quite awhile! Branden you mentioned the RWD doesn't have a heat pump and thus can't precondition. My 2023 RWD has battery preconditioning, seems odd they would remove that for the 2024 MY, perhaps you're mistaken?
My understanding was that only the AWD with heat pump have it - is that not correct? Is there a dedicated battery heater?
@@brandenflasch No, it does not require a heat pump. Apparently all US EV6s come with a PTC battery heater, though early 2022 models did not have preconditioning (though can be upgraded by the dealer with software). If you have the option to turn on "Winter Mode" in the settings, than your car has preconditioning. Unfortunately, preconditioning cannot be manually turned on; instead you have to have Winter Mode turned on in settings (is off by default) and then use Kia's Navigation software to navigate to a recognized DC fast charger.
@@brandenflasch I can't say for certain what the 2024 has but my 2023 does have preconditioning. I believe all models with the 77kwh battery come with a battery heater that is independent of the cabin heater. If you still have the car you can check if it has preconditioning in the settings menu for EV Settings.
It depends on the market at least in Europe.
@@davidnielson9139 This winter mode is curious; this writer's 2019 Kia Niro BEV has this feature. And 2019 was the first year of the Niro.
Who's this guy...
Good content, but I hope he is not a replacement for Jordan. Francie just moved on from the Out-of -Spec Podcast channel.
My problem with these 10% challenges is that they’re supposed to be representative of a road trip experience but you don’t deduct wait times or at the very least the handshake time between plug in and charge start. Tesla is king in real world experience.
"Good charging if you are lucky enough to have the perfect conditions as well as cell temperatures balances embarrassing efficiency."
Uninfluencered it for you.
What? Wait for the station to open? Isn't all charging station 24/7?
All stalls were taken, he means waiting for someone else to leave