The BIGGEST elephant in the room concerning EV's is the fact that people are prosecuted for driving using a mobile phone, yet you can play with your infotainment system and apparently that's perfectly legal and OK to do so!
That is not exclusively an EV issue - that is a modern infotainment problem. And it's a terrible idea to have complex touch screens when you need to have tactile buttons/knobs that can be felt without eye contact. When will manufacturers reverse the touchscreen tide?
@@TheLateBrakeShowthey won’t. Software buttons are free on a touch screen. They cost money to be real. Haptic feedback is available, but again not free.
@@TheLateBrakeShow Tesla has placed EVERYTHING behind its infotainment system, even the movement of the heating system fan direction. I have no idea how any of the car manufacturers have gotten away with their infotainment systems. It all seems to have started with satellite navigation systems and then they added more and more features to it. Technology is a wonderful thing, but right now, it's probably the biggest health and safety issue in cars today.
This is one of the best UA-cam car channels, the reviews are great, the barnfinds and the episodes with Shakey Byrnes on the bikes are a real joy to watch. This channel should already be over 1 million subs based on the quality.
Great review. Fully understand your hesitation about whether the GT works as a....GT. I've owned a regular AWD for over a year and found it plenty fast enough, and it handles surprisingly well for a big EV. And that extra range makes transcontinental holiday trips a breeze. The 321 bhp EV6 AWD is indeed the real Grand Tourer of the range.
Was at a Christmas family do here in Aus, and EV cars came up with some people that aren't silly, ok not full on car nerds, but had to once again get in an argument with them about no you don't have to replace the batteries every two years. It is crazy, they hear that once and will never forget it. It was interesting to learn that Tesla's 0-60 times are done with a rolling start too. But on a final note, Box of oranges, 3 from them later... (It would be superb if they all had red hair too). Cheers for the vid.
I was trying to convince my Car Guy Uncle over Christmas to get this. I failed (for now), since he finds even Autos boring and the range is a concern. In Australia you can drive this far and still be in the same city. He is an Australian Muscle car fan but with the death of the industry he has nothing to replace it with. You can't get V8s in Australia any more. This matches the power of his HSV. We will see what Kia does with an electric sedan in the future. The Stinger (which has also been discontinued) was where a lot of Aussie Muscle car fans went despite it only having a V6.
Great video again Jonny. I agree with comments about the infotainment system but that’s a wider issue. I need to ask though, for my own sanity, why the UK boot sticker kept switching from side to side? Definitely couldn’t tell you were “well oiled” at the end.
I think it was brought out to just be a thing, you know to sort of show the big boys that we can be like you. But, in reality, it's going to be the everyday models that will sell in big numbers. There's no denying it's a thing to behold, but if it were my money, I'd be buying the GT line AWD variant. Yes, it's not as fast or sporty, but it's a more than able Grand Tourer, which is what GT always meant, it's only an 80's thing when the GT badge became a sporty (oft uncomfortable) hot hatch or mid-sized variant. Again, another excellent review, with smooth and crisp delivery, and an enjoyable watch. And as ever a truly professional approach, even when you've enjoyed a little bit of Belgian hospitality.
A lesson I learned from my youth, when I had a stove-hot 3 cyl 750cc motorcycle capable of 165mph. I would pass everybody and disappear into the distance, and then be passed by all my mates whilst I was in the petrol station filling up. A bit like sport EVs really…. So the key is not going nuts on the loud pedal, because for many time is money.
Another really good review Jonny. My only issue with new EVs is that they're getting heavy, and they're too fast for the average driver. I'd like to see them scale back the power and weight so that they aren't 2.5/3 tonne killing machines.
Its really only the gt version that's bonkers. Now that they have discontinued the light trim the base rwd ev6 is 225 hp and the awd version is 320. Those are healthy numbers but we are still only talking about golf gti and golf r levels of power.
And the cobalt mining issue needs addressing. That is terrible! And it's mostly for the wealthy buying the latest EVs. I like really he idea of really small EVs with small range that can charge super quick anywhere, and a regular 2nd hand car for long joiurneys.
Good commentary but it would be a much more relaxing watch ( and a much safer ride for your fellow road users) if you kept both hands on the wheel and both eyes on the road, like a decent driver.
As a current owner, apart from the range and poor charging infrastructure in Australia, we are lucky that Kia has developed a special suspension setup designed for our roads, which is better than what’s offered elsewhere. This I don’t quite get as I’ve also driven one in the UK. The roads there are worse than what we have in Australia however you just get the standard. Yes both can be changed, however in GT mode, its damper and rebound settings in Australia soak up the bumps better and improve the contact feel with the roads. Range? It’s poor, however you can say that for ICE that make similar levels of power and I get that it’s much quicker to just fill up the tank with fuel than to charge a battery.
I agree Jonny. No one needs 600 bhp in a family shopper. Its madness, and just undermines what an EV is supposed to be all about. If you have more power at your beck and call, you will likely use it increasing the frequency and consumption of electricity in the process....a large percentage of which is still generated by non green power stations. The regular model would be fine, plenty snappy enough, and with a better range too.
But, then again, it's not up to you to decide what people can or cannot have. I don't tell you to not eat meat nor do I tell you to not have long or short hair....so basically.....butt out
@@johngatsby1473 I am not telling people what they should do....merely pointing out that the whole point of EV's is to 'save the planet'. 600bhp EV's is not 'saving the planet'! I still stick to my V8....exercising my right of choice. You (Ironically) are actually not sticking to your own stated principles.....since you are telling me what to think or do - not to exercise my freedom of speech or opinion. Also to 'butt out' Time to take a good look at yourself perhaps. I am not worried if you don't share that opinion....that is your right.
@@gordonsimpson3235 yeah well it gets old having people down others for what they want. We have enough Karen clowns in this world telling us not to eat meat, not to drive ICE cars, not to have gas powered stoves, not to want AR15's and that Hooters is degrading to women. How bout everyone keep their opinions to themselves and let people do what they want?
„oh jonny“ there is a big mistake a couple of times. Charging in the koreans 800v is limited to 240 kW in the moment. Funny that you didnt mention the cord to your phone on a charging pad. wireless carplay is so much needed. And i totally agree on the paradox on the GT. The better car for traveling is almost the cheapest. Ioniq 6 oder the ev6 rwd LR.
Great review. A good dose of movement/ unsteadiness during the summing up. Otherwise I think you got away with it 😉 hopefully next Christmas you will be basically in Nottingham #OTSOT
I like the EV6 and its one of the few EVS i would buy...well, once they come down to more attainable pricing (Used in other words). Not sure about the GT version though
I was at the Kia dealership yesterday doing a manufacture buyback. They had a beautiful black GT on the showroom floor but the quote, out the door, was $70,000.00 USD. Yeah......I don't think so
Does the RWD EV6 have a tighter turning circle than the AWD models? If so, that is a good reason to get the RWD - because for me this car is as big as I could tolerate for every day driving.
this is a beautiful car but I have a big problem with all these types of cars. In a certain amount of time all the technology will be out of date and it wont be serviceable
Manufactures would be better off making lower power models to bring the silly over priced cars down… folk must travel a lot more miles than I do per year
The range issue is kind of inverse to me: once we're looking at cars that can do 200 miles on a winter motorway run, they'll all go for longer than I can, so extra range is no longer something I'm looking for. So with the range drop being a non-issue personally, the question I'd ask is: is the GT more fun to drive than the regular version? Obviously it has a lot more power, but is that all it has to offer?
Test driving this in Jan, new year, I love how it looks and what it promises. Electric owners that I know are putting me off with charging wait times and reduced range cold battery stories. I know its the future now... but I hear it can also be a rubbish ownership experience.
Great video as always. I'm going to Bruges tomorrow and I'm torn between taking the practical CRV or my C5 corvette. Are the roads good enough for a low sports car?
Is the interior quality was better I would seriously consider this. Those screens look like trash. I bought a polestar 3 performance pack. Coming April 2024. It’s $115,000+tax Canadian. I would seriously have considered this vehicle if the interior was better, and the handling was better.
I think the EV6 GT is Kia's EV Golf R. A Golf R-Line is more than adequate to drive anywhere in comfort with all the bells and whistles one could want. Yet here in Australia 25% of Golf sales in 2020 were Golf Rs. Buyers pay 40% more for Golf Rs that I'm sure are more more suburban supermarket grocery runners than racetrack or country back road weapons. If Kia can even approach these numbers with a halo car, they will be laughing.
I'm not a fan of Kia/Hyundai cars but it would be cool to have a Kia Stinger GT Electric instead of an SUV btw thanks Johnny I cannot see that KИ logo as KIA anymore
Couldn't even tell you were full of Christmas cheer for the conclusion, you're a true professional! Having driven the lower powered versions of both this and the Ioniq 5 it is hard to see why you would need more power in what is ultimately a family vehicle. With that being said everyone loves an M5 or RS6 so I don't think this will struggle to find buyers.
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Yeah, good Article in Ars Technica recently by Johnathon Gitlin saying basically the same. All electric cars, give or take the odd exception, have way more oomph than most people need/want in a daily driver so always go for the less expensive, generally longer ranged, version to save money and get a more usable real world car. EV6 not EV6 GT, base model RWD Taycan rather than AWD Taycan Turbo, Polestar 2 without the performance pack, etc.
I’m with you Johnny I would buy the GT LINE S dual motor if I could afford it. But have a rear drive single motor GT LINE S on order since February this year and here’s hopping it arrives early next year. My belief is 4.8 seconds to sixty is well fast enough and keeping a decent range and ride that the dual motor gives. Good review.
I got to try the 320hp GT Line AWD and thought that would be all the power you’d need on public roads. More is always nice but that was a rapid overtaking machine and devoured twisty back roads, massively impressive car. Would love a go in the GT but you surely wouldn’t be missing out that much in the lower powered models
300hp is more than enough for a giggle on the road. Unless you have a slightly fragile ego and dont want people beating you off the line at traffic lights then there really is no need for the extra power. To be honest you are still going to beat most other cars with the GT line anyway.
The fast throttle response and weight of EVs make them even better at overtaking than the 0-60 times suggest. They have tons of torque. 40-60 times are very good. We really are getting to the point where the more expensive cars are getting too powerful. It's spoiling it for all but the track! And there they often need carbon brakes (dead expensive and not nice for on road) to slow down down with all that power!
Am I the only person who thinks a 577hp car is utterly pointless on most roads? Most people will never be able to exploit that sort of power on a damp B road or the school run. I'd rather have an ev with say, 150hp and decent boot space with 400-500 mile range.
Must admit I don't get it with these high powered EVs. Massive horsepower yet most EV drivers end up cruising around at 70 to preserve range. Aside from toll booth bragging rights, what is the point?!
It’s not an EV review without a bloke standing in a car park cruising for a charge😂 GT normally stands for Grand Touring thus 260 miles and nursing it along at 50 and 60 mph isn’t either 😂.
It looks like a good car, but the elephant in the room is, can everyone have an electric vehicle? Answer: No, there isn't enough Cobalt in the earth to get anywhere near 50%. So what are we going to do? And that's before we even consider how we're going to charge them with such crappy infrastructure.
This is an accurate reflection of modern infotainment systems. Jonny does this intentionally, as it is not illegal and a reminder that new touch screen tech is not the solution.
@@TheLateBrakeShow Yes it's not the solution, they may as well make texting and driving legal too if you're allowed to legally mess around with a screen endlessly and not look where you're going
It may not be illegal, but surely it remains the responsibility of the driver to keep their focus on the road ahead. There must be a better way to make the point.
I'm fundamentally pro EV, but every video/article I view that involves charging seems to report issues with public chargers either not working, or charging significantly slower than advertised for no known reason. I wonder how long until these issues are mainly sorted out?
I always knew you're a man who does your research with regards to cars, Jonny, but apparently that translates to phone as well. Seeing you rocking a OnePlus, for me, cements the feeling that you're a man who should be listened to. Kudos.
Well, that's another season of the Late Brake show done over as it were, next year we're heavily into EVs and barn finds, basically in the BFF. Lots of tips for you to pick up there, on that side of things. So until then, see you then, goodnight. Fowds. Traansit.
Spot the UK sticker movement... :) Still pissed you didn't drop in and get pissed here. Welcome to the lowlands! And bye again. What a monster, I love it.
You're wrong about the charging speed: The Ionity station can (theoretically) deliver up to 350 kW. The fastest car on the road today is the Taycan which can get 280 kW. The EV6 can "only" take up to 240 kW though.
Incorrect. Lucid can accept 300kw. Egmp cars an also accept up to 250kw in very limited situations, but you’re mostly correct that they’ll normally charge at 240kw peak.
In my opinion everything being on info screen is DANGEROUS. Along with pings and buzzes, there is no joy in driving a modern car. I bought a Ford Puma, thinking I would get used to it, NO, sold it after 6 weeks and went old school.
Great review Jonny. Agree with your conclusion. I personally don’t see the point of performance EVs, but longer range, lower powered and comfortable family-sized EVs - yes please.
It's like performance SUVs. You see some guy in a huge X5 M and you know he walked right past other cars that are faster in a straight line, faster on the track, cheaper, lighter, have better handling, better ride, better looks.
The small front trunk/boot in the EV6 is enough for the “granny lead.” I also keep a small battery booster up there. Front trunks on EVs are something that internet car reviewers make a big deal about and Tesla owners thump their chest about, but in the real world they really aren’t particularly useful. I have a Model 3 and the front trunk is almost always empty, aside from the “granny lead.” I’ve never once wished to have a larger front trunk in my Ioniq5.
Car companies producing electric cars need to reduce the goals of horsepower and performance figures, it's pointless. For the mass consumer to go EV, they need to start producing cars with far bigger ranges ideally minimum 500/1000miles. It might make it a less bitter pill to swallow if we have to ditch the ICE cars 😔
Nice review Jonny. Smashing car, but as you point out a tad pricey for the specs. Pelforth, now that’s my favourite tipple when I’m in Belgium, followed by steak-frite and triple sauce.
Your posting of the range (at 1:20) as 263 miles combined and 339 miles city really stood out to me because I don't recall seeing this very much with BEV reviews or data -- but yet it seems extremely important. We all know that EVs do much better when going under 45 mph than over 45 mph, and it stands to reason that, with all the regen braking at slower speeds in urban driving, the ranges will be much higher. Why isn't this stressed more often, like it is with all ICEVs (i.e., highway vs. city vs. "combined" mpg)? Most people will be driving the vast majority of their miles with BEVs in slower urban traffic, not on long road trips.
My ev6 awd gt-line is expected to arrive in Poland at the end of January. Was thinking about getting the gt for a while but finally decided that 325 hp is enough. Your review has confirmed it. My parents have had Jaguar I-pace for over 3 years and it is such an underrated vehicle, in my opinion it drives even better than ev6 awd.
The BIGGEST elephant in the room concerning EV's is the fact that people are prosecuted for driving using a mobile phone, yet you can play with your infotainment system and apparently that's perfectly legal and OK to do so!
That is not exclusively an EV issue - that is a modern infotainment problem. And it's a terrible idea to have complex touch screens when you need to have tactile buttons/knobs that can be felt without eye contact. When will manufacturers reverse the touchscreen tide?
@@TheLateBrakeShowthey won’t. Software buttons are free on a touch screen. They cost money to be real.
Haptic feedback is available, but again not free.
@@TheLateBrakeShow Tesla has placed EVERYTHING behind its infotainment system, even the movement of the heating system fan direction. I have no idea how any of the car manufacturers have gotten away with their infotainment systems. It all seems to have started with satellite navigation systems and then they added more and more features to it. Technology is a wonderful thing, but right now, it's probably the biggest health and safety issue in cars today.
My brother in christ that is all modern cars
Even worse for right handed folk
On a bumpy road. Just madness. Buttons and knobs everyday
This is one of the best UA-cam car channels, the reviews are great, the barnfinds and the episodes with Shakey Byrnes on the bikes are a real joy to watch. This channel should already be over 1 million subs based on the quality.
I have to say I'm getting a little bit bored with all these big ugly expensive luxury SUV style EVs. Time for something interesting please.
Great review. Fully understand your hesitation about whether the GT works as a....GT. I've owned a regular AWD for over a year and found it plenty fast enough, and it handles surprisingly well for a big EV. And that extra range makes transcontinental holiday trips a breeze. The 321 bhp EV6 AWD is indeed the real Grand Tourer of the range.
I’ve always liked Jonny’s reviews ever since he was in Fifth Gear? No nonsense really good reviews. One of the fews who speak my language.
Was at a Christmas family do here in Aus, and EV cars came up with some people that aren't silly, ok not full on car nerds, but had to once again get in an argument with them about no you don't have to replace the batteries every two years. It is crazy, they hear that once and will never forget it. It was interesting to learn that Tesla's 0-60 times are done with a rolling start too. But on a final note, Box of oranges, 3 from them later... (It would be superb if they all had red hair too). Cheers for the vid.
I was trying to convince my Car Guy Uncle over Christmas to get this. I failed (for now), since he finds even Autos boring and the range is a concern. In Australia you can drive this far and still be in the same city. He is an Australian Muscle car fan but with the death of the industry he has nothing to replace it with. You can't get V8s in Australia any more. This matches the power of his HSV. We will see what Kia does with an electric sedan in the future. The Stinger (which has also been discontinued) was where a lot of Aussie Muscle car fans went despite it only having a V6.
Tell your uncle Jonny has several V8 muscle cars, but he still loves EVs day to day. It's all about the offsetting
Great video again Jonny. I agree with comments about the infotainment system but that’s a wider issue. I need to ask though, for my own sanity, why the UK boot sticker kept switching from side to side?
Definitely couldn’t tell you were “well oiled” at the end.
I think it was brought out to just be a thing, you know to sort of show the big boys that we can be like you. But, in reality, it's going to be the everyday models that will sell in big numbers.
There's no denying it's a thing to behold, but if it were my money, I'd be buying the GT line AWD variant. Yes, it's not as fast or sporty, but it's a more than able Grand Tourer, which is what GT always meant, it's only an 80's thing when the GT badge became a sporty (oft uncomfortable) hot hatch or mid-sized variant.
Again, another excellent review, with smooth and crisp delivery, and an enjoyable watch.
And as ever a truly professional approach, even when you've enjoyed a little bit of Belgian hospitality.
Came here for the slightly pissed verdict...
yeah seemed to be lots of V and Z sounds in the verdict!
Didn't look like basically Nottingham to me.
Wasn't actually that bad, was nowhere near basically in Nottingham. I think you got away with that one Jonny.
Not as bad as Basically Nottingham
Me too, basically in Nottingham...
Great review as always. Is it me or did the uk sticker move a couple of times
It sure did
It’s a beautiful car and I think you’re 💯 correct on getting the lesser power version it seems more practical for daily driving.
I had my EV6 LR one year now and 35000 km, love to test drive the GT, but for sure I will stay with the LR…
A lesson I learned from my youth, when I had a stove-hot 3 cyl 750cc motorcycle capable of 165mph. I would pass everybody and disappear into the distance, and then be passed by all my mates whilst I was in the petrol station filling up. A bit like sport EVs really…. So the key is not going nuts on the loud pedal, because for many time is money.
😮Can I just ask how you ended up behind another KIA EV6 GT in exactly the same colour at the tunnel
Another really good review Jonny. My only issue with new EVs is that they're getting heavy, and they're too fast for the average driver. I'd like to see them scale back the power and weight so that they aren't 2.5/3 tonne killing machines.
Its really only the gt version that's bonkers. Now that they have discontinued the light trim the base rwd ev6 is 225 hp and the awd version is 320. Those are healthy numbers but we are still only talking about golf gti and golf r levels of power.
And the cobalt mining issue needs addressing. That is terrible! And it's mostly for the wealthy buying the latest EVs. I like really he idea of really small EVs with small range that can charge super quick anywhere, and a regular 2nd hand car for long joiurneys.
Good commentary but it would be a much more relaxing watch ( and a much safer ride for your fellow road users) if you kept both hands on the wheel and both eyes on the road, like a decent driver.
Fair play Jonny, that’s a cracking closing piece for fully pissed
Always the pro
Happy Christmas, Jonny! I've been waiting for your take on the GT (and your sum-up 😊).
I think I held it together OK, right? 😎
@@TheLateBrakeShow Brilliantly. Did not come through at all!
As a current owner, apart from the range and poor charging infrastructure in Australia, we are lucky that Kia has developed a special suspension setup designed for our roads, which is better than what’s offered elsewhere. This I don’t quite get as I’ve also driven one in the UK. The roads there are worse than what we have in Australia however you just get the standard. Yes both can be changed, however in GT mode, its damper and rebound settings in Australia soak up the bumps better and improve the contact feel with the roads. Range? It’s poor, however you can say that for ICE that make similar levels of power and I get that it’s much quicker to just fill up the tank with fuel than to charge a battery.
I agree Jonny.
No one needs 600 bhp in a family shopper. Its madness, and just undermines what an EV is supposed to be all about. If you have more power at your beck and call, you will likely use it increasing the frequency and consumption of electricity in the process....a large percentage of which is still generated by non green power stations.
The regular model would be fine, plenty snappy enough, and with a better range too.
But, then again, it's not up to you to decide what people can or cannot have. I don't tell you to not eat meat nor do I tell you to not have long or short hair....so basically.....butt out
@@johngatsby1473 I am not telling people what they should do....merely pointing out that the whole point of EV's is to 'save the planet'. 600bhp EV's is not 'saving the planet'!
I still stick to my V8....exercising my right of choice.
You (Ironically) are actually not sticking to your own stated principles.....since you are telling me what to think or do - not to exercise my freedom of speech or opinion. Also to 'butt out'
Time to take a good look at yourself perhaps.
I am not worried if you don't share that opinion....that is your right.
@@gordonsimpson3235 yeah well it gets old having people down others for what they want. We have enough Karen clowns in this world telling us not to eat meat, not to drive ICE cars, not to have gas powered stoves, not to want AR15's and that Hooters is degrading to women. How bout everyone keep their opinions to themselves and let people do what they want?
You're a poster boy for driving whilst distracted.
„oh jonny“ there is a big mistake a couple of times. Charging in the koreans 800v is limited to 240 kW in the moment. Funny that you didnt mention the cord to your phone on a charging pad. wireless carplay is so much needed. And i totally agree on the paradox on the GT. The better car for traveling is almost the cheapest. Ioniq 6 oder the ev6 rwd LR.
Great review. A good dose of movement/ unsteadiness during the summing up. Otherwise I think you got away with it 😉 hopefully next Christmas you will be basically in Nottingham #OTSOT
Great review Jonny ! Was that Bruges ???still waiting for an answer
I agree with you Jonny I would have the slightly less powered but better range model👍🏻
MAx charging on an Ionity would be on a warmed battery from 20% battery up.
Great review as usual Jonny, hope everyone is having a great Christmas & thanks for all the videos this year, Rj in Oz
Why did the UK sticker on the back move during the video Jonny? 😀
Why does the UK sticker change sides and sizes?? I cannot overstate the importance of this question.
Damn you with your hawk eyes
What a life! Gotta hand it to some folk. Bloody great brand new EV. Just take it to Brussels and back. Why not? Good luck to you mate.
I like the EV6 and its one of the few EVS i would buy...well, once they come down to more attainable pricing (Used in other words). Not sure about the GT version though
Why is the UK sticker on the left in some shots but on the riright in others? Did you swap vehicles Jonny?
I was at the Kia dealership yesterday doing a manufacture buyback. They had a beautiful black GT on the showroom floor but the quote, out the door, was $70,000.00 USD. Yeah......I don't think so
Does the RWD EV6 have a tighter turning circle than the AWD models? If so, that is a good reason to get the RWD - because for me this car is as big as I could tolerate for every day driving.
Jonny, you keep saying 350kW. But that car doesn't charge with 350kW. It peaks at around 235kW.
If in doubt, check ev-database for accurate data.
It doesn't surprise me, with your summation at the end. I guess someone at KIA said...." Hey, what about a GT version, and see what Jonny thinks ! "
That part of the M25 has to be the loudest road anywhere on the planet to be fair 🤣🤣 Any car would struggle to run quiet on there 😁
this is a beautiful car but I have a big problem with all these types of cars.
In a certain amount of time all the technology will be out of date and it wont be serviceable
"only" 2.7 miles/kWh and Johnny sounds like this is disappointing. The Jag i-pace (similar weight and power) is typically 2.2 - 2.4 miles/kWh
I think you could fit 10 curly wurly's in the front space. Nice review. 2x.👍
Now that you have tested the (in my humble opinion) best sibling, the Ioniq 6, is your verdict revised ?
fantastic exterior, especially back
Really like the car just can't stand seeing massive wheels and rusting discs through them I wish manufacturers would hide the disc if that's possible
I agree with you. Why would you need more power than the non-gt.? In the words of another non-named UA-camr, "less is more."
25:54
...the stiffness is very stiff...
Its not the size of the battery pack...🔋 🏴 🔌
I get nearly 5 miles per kw. In my wonderful Nero but I’d love the EV6 but not that one.
Manufactures would be better off making lower power models to bring the silly over priced cars down… folk must travel a lot more miles than I do per year
AWD with GT seats would be the best option, if it existed.
The range issue is kind of inverse to me: once we're looking at cars that can do 200 miles on a winter motorway run, they'll all go for longer than I can, so extra range is no longer something I'm looking for.
So with the range drop being a non-issue personally, the question I'd ask is: is the GT more fun to drive than the regular version? Obviously it has a lot more power, but is that all it has to offer?
No headlight deflectors fitted! You naughty boy. It's the law for LHD vehicles in Europe Jonny.
Good review Johnny. One question; how easy was it to change the instruments to KPH?
Infotainment setting - easy when youve found it behind a few menus
Anything which extends or increases my time at a petrol station/ charging station, is thoroughly unwanted
look at fastned it has charging curves for all EVs
Johnny, Cartman, EV6 GT
Test driving this in Jan, new year, I love how it looks and what it promises. Electric owners that I know are putting me off with charging wait times and reduced range cold battery stories. I know its the future now... but I hear it can also be a rubbish ownership experience.
Great video as usual. 😀
Many thanks Rob, happy new year
Great video as always. I'm going to Bruges tomorrow and I'm torn between taking the practical CRV or my C5 corvette. Are the roads good enough for a low sports car?
Roads very good. Take the Vette.
Is the interior quality was better I would seriously consider this. Those screens look like trash. I bought a polestar 3 performance pack. Coming April 2024. It’s $115,000+tax Canadian. I would seriously have considered this vehicle if the interior was better, and the handling was better.
I think the EV6 GT is Kia's EV Golf R.
A Golf R-Line is more than adequate to drive anywhere in comfort with all the bells and whistles one could want. Yet here in Australia 25% of Golf sales in 2020 were Golf Rs. Buyers pay 40% more for Golf Rs that I'm sure are more more suburban supermarket grocery runners than racetrack or country back road weapons.
If Kia can even approach these numbers with a halo car, they will be laughing.
I'm not a fan of Kia/Hyundai cars but it would be cool to have a Kia Stinger GT Electric instead of an SUV
btw thanks Johnny I cannot see that KИ logo as KIA anymore
So, how many cases of Trappist did you fit in the boot? 🙂
A few. Just a few. Oh, and some amazing glass baubles.
@@TheLateBrakeShow These are proper consumer tests. Cheers and Happy New Year! 🍺
It's very clever in the way it can move its UK sticker around. 😀
Magic.
The only thing we have in the front trunk is a 12v battery charger….
Electric
So can it go 600 miles like my 911 with the larger tank?
Without stopping?
whoa... no 911 can go 600 miles on a single tank of gas...
If you were going to get the EV6, you'd be mad to get the GT model as as daily.
Couldn't even tell you were full of Christmas cheer for the conclusion, you're a true professional!
Having driven the lower powered versions of both this and the Ioniq 5 it is hard to see why you would need more power in what is ultimately a family vehicle. With that being said everyone loves an M5 or RS6 so I don't think this will struggle to find buyers.
I have a Kona N and plan on gettintg this--its overkill but nice and safe toi have the powert
I'm mostly impressed by Jonny's ability to provide a mainly coherent conclusion whilst, well, shall we say being maybe, 50% lashed. Great video #OTSOT
Agreed, although I heard it was at least 75% #OTSOT
It was almost undetectable!
exactly my thoughts, he definitely looked tipsy :D
He was basically in Nottingham
@@Mojojosie86 basically.... As indeed, am I...
Despite the Commission's zero‑tolerance approach to child labor in trade agreements, it is estimated,, according to reports by UN agencies, that in the southern Katanga province, more than 40 000 children are working in hazardous conditions in cobalt mines, with inadequate safety equipment and for very little money[2].17 Jun 2022
I’d definitely go for range over performance as I have range anxiety in my diesel car when it gets to 100 miles 😂. Great review as always.
Range with impressive real world performance (not arse tearing) is king in our book.
@@TheLateBrakeShow agree highly you can't really do 168 top end anywhere and 3.5 secs to losing your licence not really that usable either .
Yeah, good Article in Ars Technica recently by Johnathon Gitlin saying basically the same. All electric cars, give or take the odd exception, have way more oomph than most people need/want in a daily driver so always go for the less expensive, generally longer ranged, version to save money and get a more usable real world car. EV6 not EV6 GT, base model RWD Taycan rather than AWD Taycan Turbo, Polestar 2 without the performance pack, etc.
I'd prefer sub 300 mile range with crazy performance than giving kids asthma whilst driving an oil burner.
Yo Jonny, how did you make the GB sticker change size and position during the film 😂
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@@TheLateBrakeShow❤ the show
I wondered that!
I was wondering that too. 🤔
I’m with you Johnny I would buy the GT LINE S dual motor if I could afford it. But have a rear drive single motor GT LINE S on order since February this year and here’s hopping it arrives early next year. My belief is 4.8 seconds to sixty is well fast enough and keeping a decent range and ride that the dual motor gives. Good review.
I've followed one of these ugly things and I think that the engine braking is too fierce and should show brake lights!!!!!!!!!!!
I got to try the 320hp GT Line AWD and thought that would be all the power you’d need on public roads. More is always nice but that was a rapid overtaking machine and devoured twisty back roads, massively impressive car. Would love a go in the GT but you surely wouldn’t be missing out that much in the lower powered models
You bought the right one
300hp is more than enough for a giggle on the road. Unless you have a slightly fragile ego and dont want people beating you off the line at traffic lights then there really is no need for the extra power. To be honest you are still going to beat most other cars with the GT line anyway.
The fast throttle response and weight of EVs make them even better at overtaking than the 0-60 times suggest. They have tons of torque. 40-60 times are very good. We really are getting to the point where the more expensive cars are getting too powerful. It's spoiling it for all but the track! And there they often need carbon brakes (dead expensive and not nice for on road) to slow down down with all that power!
What I learned in my z06....650 HP was enough...then I got used to it and ended up with 1000 HP....still wanted more.
Am I the only person who thinks a 577hp car is utterly pointless on most roads? Most people will never be able to exploit that sort of power on a damp B road or the school run.
I'd rather have an ev with say, 150hp and decent boot space with 400-500 mile range.
Must admit I don't get it with these high powered EVs. Massive horsepower yet most EV drivers end up cruising around at 70 to preserve range. Aside from toll booth bragging rights, what is the point?!
Impressive car but a bloody impressive video too. Top job Jonny and your team.
Fantastic episode. I'm not in the market for an EV, I'm practicing bangernomics! But even so I thoroughly enjoyed this episode.
It’s not an EV review without a bloke standing in a car park cruising for a charge😂
GT normally stands for Grand Touring thus 260 miles and nursing it along at 50 and 60 mph isn’t either 😂.
It looks like a good car, but the elephant in the room is, can everyone have an electric vehicle? Answer: No, there isn't enough Cobalt in the earth to get anywhere near 50%. So what are we going to do? And that's before we even consider how we're going to charge them with such crappy infrastructure.
God knows how long you had your eyes off the road messing with all that info, hope it brakes for itself if a kid runs out
This is an accurate reflection of modern infotainment systems. Jonny does this intentionally, as it is not illegal and a reminder that new touch screen tech is not the solution.
@@TheLateBrakeShow Yes it's not the solution, they may as well make texting and driving legal too if you're allowed to legally mess around with a screen endlessly and not look where you're going
It may not be illegal, but surely it remains the responsibility of the driver to keep their focus on the road ahead. There must be a better way to make the point.
Hey johnny please don’t bring politics into your car videos,did your beard grow while you was waiting for it to charge up😂
Kia should've named this car the "Sprint" not "GT", with the dual-motor EV6 being the "GT". Then it'd all make sense.
Thanks for all you do, Jonny!
He totally agrees.
Just been watching some videos on cobalt mining in the DRC. Makes some interesting viewing.🤔
It looks like crap no thanks Have a nice 2023 Pro regards from Holland
I'm fundamentally pro EV, but every video/article I view that involves charging seems to report issues with public chargers either not working, or charging significantly slower than advertised for no known reason. I wonder how long until these issues are mainly sorted out?
Did anyone else notice the UK sticker keep changing positions !!
I always knew you're a man who does your research with regards to cars, Jonny, but apparently that translates to phone as well. Seeing you rocking a OnePlus, for me, cements the feeling that you're a man who should be listened to. Kudos.
Why, they've been average since the 1+7 most people are better off with a Pixel 7
Or an iPhone… the phone wars commence and Mat Watson enters the chat?😂
Love the film, especially the lashed up final section...curious to know how come the UK sticker kept changing sides?
Well, that's another season of the Late Brake show done over as it were, next year we're heavily into EVs and barn finds, basically in the BFF. Lots of tips for you to pick up there, on that side of things. So until then, see you then, goodnight.
Fowds.
Traansit.
Spot the UK sticker movement... :)
Still pissed you didn't drop in and get pissed here. Welcome to the lowlands! And bye again.
What a monster, I love it.
You're wrong about the charging speed: The Ionity station can (theoretically) deliver up to 350 kW. The fastest car on the road today is the Taycan which can get 280 kW. The EV6 can "only" take up to 240 kW though.
Incorrect. Lucid can accept 300kw. Egmp cars an also accept up to 250kw in very limited situations, but you’re mostly correct that they’ll normally charge at 240kw peak.
In my opinion everything being on info screen is DANGEROUS. Along with pings and buzzes, there is no joy in driving a modern car. I bought a Ford Puma, thinking I would get used to it, NO, sold it after 6 weeks and went old school.
Great review Jonny. Agree with your conclusion. I personally don’t see the point of performance EVs, but longer range, lower powered and comfortable family-sized EVs - yes please.
It's like performance SUVs. You see some guy in a huge X5 M and you know he walked right past other cars that are faster in a straight line, faster on the track, cheaper, lighter, have better handling, better ride, better looks.
The battery pack was below 15°C (60°F), hence the charging rate was only 42 kW.
Thank you for the info Alan. We were not aware of that.
The small front trunk/boot in the EV6 is enough for the “granny lead.” I also keep a small battery booster up there. Front trunks on EVs are something that internet car reviewers make a big deal about and Tesla owners thump their chest about, but in the real world they really aren’t particularly useful. I have a Model 3 and the front trunk is almost always empty, aside from the “granny lead.” I’ve never once wished to have a larger front trunk in my Ioniq5.
Car companies producing electric cars need to reduce the goals of horsepower and performance figures, it's pointless. For the mass consumer to go EV, they need to start producing cars with far bigger ranges ideally minimum 500/1000miles. It might make it a less bitter pill to swallow if we have to ditch the ICE cars 😔
Nice review Jonny. Smashing car, but as you point out a tad pricey for the specs. Pelforth, now that’s my favourite tipple when I’m in Belgium, followed by steak-frite and triple sauce.
Yep really slow charging. I'm surprised you still talk about 300kw+ charging even though it never happens in real life (= marketing BS).
Your posting of the range (at 1:20) as 263 miles combined and 339 miles city really stood out to me because I don't recall seeing this very much with BEV reviews or data -- but yet it seems extremely important. We all know that EVs do much better when going under 45 mph than over 45 mph, and it stands to reason that, with all the regen braking at slower speeds in urban driving, the ranges will be much higher. Why isn't this stressed more often, like it is with all ICEVs (i.e., highway vs. city vs. "combined" mpg)? Most people will be driving the vast majority of their miles with BEVs in slower urban traffic, not on long road trips.
My ev6 awd gt-line is expected to arrive in Poland at the end of January. Was thinking about getting the gt for a while but finally decided that 325 hp is enough. Your review has confirmed it. My parents have had Jaguar I-pace for over 3 years and it is such an underrated vehicle, in my opinion it drives even better than ev6 awd.
More expensive as well.
When did you order? My dealer said in November it's at least a year long wait