I got all but Dirt. Dirt looked very similar. I was trying to pick out definition in the clouds around curves, but that was tough. The only game I'm preferring to use Tone Mapping over HGiG on is MLB the Show on S/X. The uniforms and stadiums really pop on sunny days and just looks a bit more amazing than HGiG. Other than that I set it to HGiG and forget it.
I'm surprised I got them all. Started watching videos cause I wasn't even sure what HGIG was lol, recently got an OLED and people were saying to use it if supported but I didn't know why.
I have no idea about these subjects but played along and noticed that I preferred HGIG, is that something that I can change on my LG Oled? Or is it perhaps on my PS5 or Xbox series X? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
So what I noticed is that calibrating for hgig and the switching back to dtm you get blown out highlights and an over brightened image. If you're going to use dtm rather leave the hdr adjust values at default, do not even adjust the black scale for dtm on ps5 because you'll end up with crushed blacks and dark scenes will look unpleasantly dark.
Hi I was just wondering when your in the setup menu to calibrate the PS5/Series X HDR or HGIG with any LG OLED do you calibrate the console with it turned on or off on the TV. This has been for me a bit confusing, some people say to calibrate your consoles with DTM/HGIG being turned on the TV and others say to turn it off. Sometimes I notice both looking a little dark and dim and the colors look a little washed out, probably because I've set up DTM or HGIG wrong.
Always, always calibrate your LG OLED using HGiG. Calibrating your LG with DTM would be entirely ineffective. Once youve calibrated with HGiG, you could switch over to DTM when playing a game. I made a pretty in depth video on this topic, if you are interested: ua-cam.com/video/z17PS8N0cCQ/v-deo.html
Once you notice how dtm takes about 3 seconds to reach its peak brightness you'll go running to hgig. Also walking in a cave with dtm you won't get your oled blacks because its trying to bring out highlight details at the cost of dark levels
Yes dtm takes about 3 sec to reach peak brightness but also it will dim to and this is very distracting the picture always adjusting hgig is best in most games also Sony a90k dtm does this to always adjusting the picture so the way to stop it on Sony is to just turn dtm off they don’t have hgig
@@teddyholiday8038 Are you saying DTM On doesn't do that? Go outside in any game and turn camera so that sky and sun take up maybe 1/3 of image. What happens to lower part of image? Go to very dark area in game with one very bright light source and turn camera so that light source is on left or right side of image, wait 3 seconds. What happened to detail in dark part of image? Now do both with HGIG. Do you notice difference? Or just watch GamingTech's video on what DTM does.
Wow……what a lesson, in the end I enjoyed both due to guessing right half of the time. Thank you for the time you put into this……now time to not only like but subscribe.
I believe all of them were HGiG on the right except for RE8 on the right was DTM. The only one that I could tell immediately what it was was TLOU in the final clip with the vehicle outside because it was heavily shadowed.
They are something burn issues between DTM and HGIG with 100 OLED Light ? Can I save use DTM on 100light for Warzone ? (Because I see more in dark area with DTM ) Sry for English :)
I recommend dtm off if you are concerned. But I play loads of games with maxed out settings. Really driving this tv HARD. IN WARZONE daytime playing Oled light 100 Contrast 100 Brightness 55 Colour 80 Sharpness 40 Dtm ON
My TV doesn't have HGIG, only DTM... but with DTM on it loses a lot of luminosity and contrast, with DTM off it looks like the DTM in the video... I get confused.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 this has made the picture awesome! Thank you thank you thank you. Only thing is when I do this and click the calibration app, all of the checkerboards are back. Is that ok?
@@valps5gaming579 yeah, the reason you want to calibrate with HGiG is because that's the most accurate setting from a tone mapping standpoint. When you engage DTM, that tone mapping solution will change making the checkerboards look different. But, by at least using HGiG to calibrate, you start with an accurate baseline.
I was changing these setting alot until i think i find the best one at least for me to play God Of War(2018), i am currently playing with DTM and i changed the Black Levels from Auto to Limited and now it seems i got an great balance of good brightness and colors with deep blacks, it just really got beautiful, need to test this in other games.
@@Adamantaimai HGIG has a base level brightness Which is static. Huds will overall be dimmer . With DTM on, scenes that do not push high peak nits, it will tonemap the whole image to brighten up ALSO brightening all hud elements ofcourse. I agree. Ggig is a more stable image as it tracks a nice curve. Sometimes dtm on can completely change a scenes look in a negative way. For example: If the content is mastered way above 800 nits. Dtm will try to preserve highlight detail while dimming the rest of the image. Making bright scenes with sunny clouds look like overcast. But as a positive You can also use DTM to your advantage in daylight viewing As it wil generally brighten up the whole image. So for example setting the peak hdr brightness way lower in a game, the tv doesn't have to curve to 800 nits anymore and is capable of tonemapping darker and mid brightness scenes way brighter because the of lack of 800 nit specular highlights. But note that often small highlights will clip with DTM on. My takeaway is just use whatever looks best for you in any given situation. Specific of content. Sometimes dtm on looks better. Sometimes if content is mastered at 800+ nits I like DTM off.
If you want punchiness and vibrance, HDR tone mapping on is the way to go. If you want accuracy, HGiG is that way to go. You could also try using dynamic contrast to enhance the brightness.
youll be fine, just make sure you take reasonable measures to protect your LG OLED. Use pixel shift, make sure logo luminance adjustment is set to at least low, and if you're using your OLED as a monitor, use a dark background/themes and make sure screen saver is set to 3 minutes or so.
huh. I can tell which one is which just by looking at which one has the most blown-out lighting. Note that I am new to the whole HDR gaming, I just had my OLED TV for less than a month. HGiG is less bright, but generally keep the details better. DTM is FAR brighter, but idk if I want to exchange details for that, it does give more "wow" factor though. oh, and somehow the DTM looks way too cold...
hgig does not change the picture at all over here. looks the same like "off". DTM looks fantastic on Shadow of the Tomb Raider and COD Warzone. All PC.
Lol if you can’t see the difference between HGiG and DTM off…you might wanna get your eyes checked, or maybe learn how to access HDR. No shade either…just you really might wanna learn, bc it’ll make your experience better, if you actually understand. There is definitely a difference. Overall tonal range, APL, mid tones, etc, between HGiG and DTM off should be exactly the same…the difference only being in the specular highlights, and how they’re mapped. If set up correctly, with a properly implemented HDR game…HGiG will almost always maintain more specular highlight detail than DTM. I mean even in a game like RDR2…which isn’t a HDR masterpiece..,the difference between HGiG and DTM off, is clear. All DTM does, is interject fake brightness into the mix. It boosts the mid tones, and APL in dark scenes, however dims the image, to maintain specular highlight, in high APL scenes. That’s the biggest issue with DTM imo. They should of taken Sony’s approach, and respected the APL… Btw…DTM off, doesn’t mean tone mapping, in case you didn’t know. HGiG means you’ve disabled all tone mapping on the set, and are letting the source control tone mapping, to prevent double tone mapping. DTM off, is still performing tone mapping, up to around 4,000 nits. However, DTM off, shouldn’t be used for any games. At least none I’ve come across. DTM on or HGiG, is the only way to play. With more of an emphasis on HGiG, as it’s the better mode, I’m most circumstances. Sorry you can’t see the difference tho. But you better look again there brother… One last thing, to try and make this a little easier to follow…HGiG and DTM off, both follow the PQ EOTF curve accurately until roll off, or hard clip. DTM on, does not, and will artificially boost that EOTF curve, causing overtraking/over brightening. Most of the time you can see this effect on screen, when the color begin to dilute and wash out to white, easier, with DTM on. HGiG almost always maintain more color purity/volume as well. But it really all depends on the game, how the HDR is implemented, and if the game has a peak brightness slider, etc.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 Exactly. There’s a clear difference between DTM off and HGiG. However, as I explained up above, the APL, mid tones, etc, should be exactly the same between HGiG and DTM off…bc they both follow the EOTF curve correctly, until roll off, or hard clip… the difference only being in the specular highlight details. This comment just told me everything tho…lol this person just doesn’t understand HDR.
Lol…there really no right answer between DTM and HGiG…it’s all game specific, and depends on how the HDR is implemented. Hell…even some native HGiG games aren’t implemented well. But overall, HGiG is the clear winner, and should be used majority of the time imo. DTM has it’s use case, and is necessary for certain games tho, for sure. Btw.. 1st clip is DTM left…HGiG right…. 2nd is DTM right, HGiG left… 3rd is DTM left, HGiG right 4th is DTM left, HGiG right 5th is DTM right, HGiG right From what I was seeing, ratchet and clank was the only really tricky one. But I finally could tell, by the colors difference. I know DTM pops more in that game.
@Bzake Minimal? I see blown out highlights with DTM….then if use HGiG, it will results in clearly less clipping, and more detail resolved. Tho it’s not perfect, I will say….especially with majority of HDR gaming implementations, that aren’t very precise in their sliders. I just kinda find the CX to be pushing white too hard, no matter what tho, especially once you start pushing luminance. Idk…it’s just something that’s always bugged me. It’s gotten a little better over updates tho. The grid effect also bugs me, in bright HDR highlights. DTM just exaggerates this. HDR seems to be all about compromising tho. It’s whatever you prefer. There’s definitely games that require using DTM tho, unless you want to look at hard clipped highlights. The flip side to that, is over brightened mid tones, which personally I don’t mind, as long as things aren’t too, too bright, causing exaggerated noise and artifacts within the source itself.
Long post. Still struggling with my settings, year and a half later. All attempts(except Dirt) I've choose are wrong, but i think that's just how my tv is, everything is backwards. Im using LG Nanocell79(cannot afford expensive one), and im more comfortable to play with HGIG than anything else, but it's not perfect. Here is my experience, its a bit tricky to explain: Everything off: looks so washed out and dim, and in some cases, all white colours seems on the same level, loosing details, making some images to be just white/greyish. DTM on: looks good, but biggest downside is that dark scene seems to lower my tv lighting, making everything hard to see, including subtitles. As if with this setting, whole brightness goes down for some reason, back and forth, very distracting. HGIG on: reverse situation, everything looks good, ui is bright af, unlike two options above. But light sources(only daylight) in the game became hard to watch, literally blinding you. Yet i choose this, cuz it looks richer than first option, and doesn't lower brightest like second. I'd rather be blinded by sun, than being unable to see what is going on in the darker scenes(ingame or cutscenes). Plus, im still struggling with PS5 hdr setting. In HGIG, the grey squares can be seen up to 26 tics, and for some reason, they sometimes disappear, starting from 10, yet i can see outline of them, while inside is pure white. It doesn't feel right, I understand that my tv is not good, so how can it can go up to 26 tics?.... And occasional borders with white insides bothering me. My dark level is at lowest. Black Level i put on limited, with auto(its always full) it starts to hurt eyes, contrast is just too brutal... I'm using PC mode, power eco is off, light and contrast is 100, brightness and colour at 50, warm2. Perhaps something should be changed in games settings itself? This is where im lost, when going in game hdr settings, i don't really understand those numbers.
sounds like it could be various limitations of the TV itself that are causing your issues. I would certainly recommend using HGiG if you can, as that is the more accurate representation of HDR. The issue, HGiG can and IS often on the dim side - esp if a TV's peak brightness is limited. Also, I believe that TV uses HDMI 2.0B ports, so you would certainly want to set your RGB range to limited, or sometimes its known as "low." When calibrating the PS5 HDR, calibrate exactly per this video: www.bing.com/videos/search?q=how+to+calibrate+HDR+on+ps5&view=detail&mid=9890FC70ADAE2B6B8B6D9890FC70ADAE2B6B8B6D&FORM=VIRE The video is exhaustive and particularly informative when it comes to HDR calibration.
To big of a variable with this test. We are viewing on different displays. Even if I was watching on my LG CX it still wouldn't be the same as what you see. Each panel can reflect differently. This video isn't even coded in hdr. So the point of this video is?
bro, take a breath, have some fun. Everyone says how starkly different HGiG and DTM are, this is testing that theory. Of course, its not a perfect experiment, but this is UA-cam, not mythbusters. And yes, you can tell the difference between most of the clips in this video. That's evidenced by the fact that most people in the comment section down below had the right answers.
Last of us : HGIG Left - Right DTM Ratchet : HGIG Left - Right DTM Spider : DTM Left - Right HGIG Dirt 2 : HGIG Left - Right DTM RE8 : HGIG Left - Right DTM Watching it on an SDR video makes it a bit hard to tell them apart 😪 There is a lot of crucial hidden details that an SDR curve cannot catch so we can only guess based oh the overall contrast instead 😢
@@steadychaosproductions3376 as compared to watch your video side by side comparison on my phone on UA-cam. Hell yes, watching the game in HDR for real on the actual TV hooked up to the PS5 is much better for comparison between HGIG and DTM.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 It's not. Just pay attention to brightness changes. Brightness changes in scene or scene to scene based on camera angle = DTM On Brightness doesn't change no matter what is on screen or how you turn camera = HGIG 3:33 Do you notice how awkwardly bright it gets on left one after you drop down?
While sometimes I struggle to get used to hgig darkness as I’m new to oled , I much much prefer the detail in highlights that hgig presveres , dtm blows out highlight details , like the sun in the windows on miles morales , also at night time dtm makes night time look too bright and washed out in some games
you’re right , i used to like DTM but when i noticed how much better low lit areas in games or movies looked with DTM off or HGIG on for games i stopped using DTM. DTM will completely change the “mood” of low lit areas or night time scenes.
Ive found on my q90a if i take shadow detail drop it -5 it removes all the washed out look and give realistic lighting effects but for hgig i set gamma to +3 and for dtm set it to -3 then theres literally no difference between the two and both look perfect and i can then just set game mode to auto and enjoy both modes without the need to worry about "which is better" i use hgig for gaming and dtm for netflix or movies ive bought digitally on my series x. Also setting the calibration for auto hdr in the system just use hgig to set it and those will work perfect with dtm on as well.
Next time, please show the exact same clip side by side, would make it alot easier. I got them all right 😄 HGIG always makes shadow detail much darker, and highlights stands out as being brighter. All in all a much more dynamic image full of contrast. DTM is just a washed out overbrightened mess in comparison.
I swear, there's always someone who will complain about something. Never figgin fails. lol Anyway, depends on the game. I usually use HGiG as well, but certain games can be a bit flat with it.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 no HGIG does the exact same thing everytime. Regardless of which game is active, it's completely static. *With HGIG* - dark areas become darker -APL is reduced (average picture luminanse) -Highlights is the only thing that isn't reduced As a result - with HGIG every highlight will stand in greater contrast to the general luminanse level. It therefore adds a percieved greater depth to the image, that now appears more dynamic. With DTM on the contrary, the APL is greatly increased, compressing the dynamic, in the sense that everything is much brighter, therefore highlights can't pop, they won't appear to stand in contrast to the general level of luminanse, therefore being perceived as being dimmer. In conclusion, HGIG provides a much more correct and also Vivid HDR experience as compared to DTM, which simply compresses and overbrightens the image, completely deviating from the EOTF PQ curve. Assuming you have a worthy reference monitor which has been professionally measured and calibrated to D65 White point, 2,2 gamma log, 65.000k color temperature etc, you should share this experience aswell.
@@Lasse3 Highlights can still pop in DTM, despite APL generally being higher. You act as though DTM just blows everything out and makes a truly hideous image. Sometimes, this is true, but not always. Again, HGiG is the more "Accurate" way to go, though not all games are even programmed for HGiG or even have in-game sliders to effectively hone in peak brightness. Ultimately, if HGiG wasn't sometimes too "dark" for some people, then DTM would have never been invented, now would it have? No need trying to tell people how to use their TV. If they like DTM, they like DTM.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 splendid you're actually well wersed in this stuff. Why HGIG can make dark scenes in some games completely black, is a mystery to me. You're right, that If the creators, were in fact color-grading with HGIG active themself, we would not experience this. The only game that really appears to be made with HGIG in mind, is Ratchet and Clank rift apart. But there is no such thing as an "HGIG rdy game" Alot of people are confused about what HGIG is.. Long story short, every TV has different DTM, and the creators should make the games so it would look perfect without DTM. Ofcourse this would require the creators to adjust peak brightness to match your exact TV. So we need a peak brightness slider, to make HDR work. But DTM is garbage, I have yet to see a game that looks better with DTM. "Highlights can still pop" you say. Yes to a certain extent, but nothing like HGIG, also this is about much more than just highlights, DTM acts as a conpresser, leaving too much of the image in the 50% nits area (mid-tones) The depth is lost, the dynamism, the fidelity. But yeah it really makes me scratch my head why HGIG goes so hard on reducing the low level brightness, to the point of crushing blacks it sometimes appears. This is happening both for QLED and OLED, it's really not a TV specific phenomena, I have a professionally calibrated Neo-Qled, I also experience the "too dark HGIG" But I'll take that anyday over DTM, 😜 I'm not telling you what to do, I'm just stating some facts and some opinions to go along.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 Seems like it's only the G1, was very dim (came from a CX) I knew right away, randomly autocal cured it, which 100% confirmed the problem. Others are coming forward too now....but a guy who has a 40 gamerscore clearly ain't gonna know better than someone with 90K, when it comes to HGiG 😂
Well on the Xbox Series X and Playstation 5 you can calibrate your HDR setting, and on both of those modes will kill make it really overly bright and stupid dark in dark sense. Look up the (Samsung S95B OLED TV review | The Good. The Bad. Should You Buy?) on Digital Tends. It really shows what happens when you follow the calibration settings on the Xbox or Playstation. Honestly not having them on is the best in my opinion.
Nice video. I like your opinions because you don't drink Vincent Teohs kool aid and suddenly pretend like HGIG is amazing and DTM is trash. I play with DTM. Day time or bright scenes in games look absolutely stunning and pop with it on. I do think HGIG is much better for night scenes and dark moody games, but if I had to choose between amazing pop during day time scenes and proper black levels during night scenes ill pick the former. It sucks we cant have a clear winner, but anyone that can play a game like ratchet and clank rift apart and can say HGIG looks better in that game needs their eyes examined or are just out right lying
Yeah, the YT community says you need to use HGiG, 0 sharpness, 50 color, warm 2 yadda yadda yadda. Sure thats accurate, but I tell people to use whatever looks better to them.
i see no difference because its a youtube video, you dont actually get the real color space, you captured the imagens, not displaying it with their hdr processing. Only way to see a real difference is to run the actual test yourself
@@steadychaosproductions3376 Not 100% sure but it must be Rachet and clank then. That one is a tricky one. In person is definitely way more easier to tell. A UA-cam video is not the best way to do this comparison. is fun though.
@@ChipChocolatePR Agree, it is a tad easier in person. Tough I will say, the differences between HGiG and DTM are not as drastic as I thought they'd be.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 The only drastic difference is the brightness. I use DTM cause it makes the picture brighter. For me HGIG is to dark especially when you're playing multiplayer games is hard to see your enemy.
Thank you for the Video! I have the LG BX 55 and when I do HDR adjust on my Ps5 (after game mode and Hgig on), at the first screen I need to almost go to highest possible setting because the sun image persists. It first becomes very light, then I only see the outlines of the circle, then it becomes a little more visible and almost at the end of the adjustment range (highest value) it becomes barely invisible again. Anyone else have this issue and knows a solution?
You need to turn on HGIG in the tone mapping settings on the tv, with dynamic tone mapping on or off both are doing some tone mapping, hence why the sun does not disappear. Set to HGIG and no tone mapping will be occuring so you will be able to set the hdr screens correctly (correct settings for your TV are first 2 screens 14 clicks from bottom, third screen exact bottom).
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TLOU: HGiG Right
RAC: HGiG Left
Spiderman: HGiG Right
Dirt: HGiG Left
Resident Evil: HGiG Left
I got all but Dirt. Dirt looked very similar. I was trying to pick out definition in the clouds around curves, but that was tough. The only game I'm preferring to use Tone Mapping over HGiG on is MLB the Show on S/X. The uniforms and stadiums really pop on sunny days and just looks a bit more amazing than HGiG. Other than that I set it to HGiG and forget it.
@@nostalgia_factor Yeah, HGiG was actually brighter in Dirt, which threw most people off.
I'm surprised I got them all. Started watching videos cause I wasn't even sure what HGIG was lol, recently got an OLED and people were saying to use it if supported but I didn't know why.
@@TheHeavenswake good eye, cause some are hard.
I could see hgig was better in all of the samples
I have no idea about these subjects but played along and noticed that I preferred HGIG, is that something that I can change on my LG Oled? Or is it perhaps on my PS5 or Xbox series X? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
It is something you can change on your oled. Which oled model do you have?
Hey, just a question: regardless whether I use HGIG or DTM, how should the HDR settings on PS5 being calibrated? With DTM on or with HGIG on?
always calibrate using hgig for 100% accuracy, then, if you wish, you can switch over to dynamic tone mapping on.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 which hdr calibration on PS5 for HGIG how man clicks lol?
@@steadychaosproductions3376 using HGIG on C2 for PS5
@@MrStrictlyOLED i made a video on the topic if you are interested. Try searching for HGiG on my channel.
So what I noticed is that calibrating for hgig and the switching back to dtm you get blown out highlights and an over brightened image. If you're going to use dtm rather leave the hdr adjust values at default, do not even adjust the black scale for dtm on ps5 because you'll end up with crushed blacks and dark scenes will look unpleasantly dark.
Hi I was just wondering when your in the setup menu to calibrate the PS5/Series X HDR or HGIG with any LG OLED do you calibrate the console with it turned on or off on the TV. This has been for me a bit confusing, some people say to calibrate your consoles with DTM/HGIG being turned on the TV and others say to turn it off. Sometimes I notice both looking a little dark and dim and the colors look a little washed out, probably because I've set up DTM or HGIG wrong.
Always, always calibrate your LG OLED using HGiG. Calibrating your LG with DTM would be entirely ineffective. Once youve calibrated with HGiG, you could switch over to DTM when playing a game.
I made a pretty in depth video on this topic, if you are interested: ua-cam.com/video/z17PS8N0cCQ/v-deo.html
@@steadychaosproductions3376 Oh thank you for that, now I understand, I will definitely watch the video in the link. I really appreciate the feedback.
Once you notice how dtm takes about 3 seconds to reach its peak brightness you'll go running to hgig. Also walking in a cave with dtm you won't get your oled blacks because its trying to bring out highlight details at the cost of dark levels
For me, it depends on the game. Some look muc better with HGiG, others DTM.
You’re literally saying that Hgig crushes blacks. If you’re losing detail, that’s crush
Yes dtm takes about 3 sec to reach peak brightness but also it will dim to and this is very distracting the picture always adjusting hgig is best in most games also Sony a90k dtm does this to always adjusting the picture so the way to stop it on Sony is to just turn dtm off they don’t have hgig
@@teddyholiday8038 Are you saying DTM On doesn't do that? Go outside in any game and turn camera so that sky and sun take up maybe 1/3 of image. What happens to lower part of image? Go to very dark area in game with one very bright light source and turn camera so that light source is on left or right side of image, wait 3 seconds. What happened to detail in dark part of image?
Now do both with HGIG. Do you notice difference?
Or just watch GamingTech's video on what DTM does.
@@UltraCasualPenguin you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about
Wow……what a lesson, in the end I enjoyed both due to guessing right half of the time. Thank you for the time you put into this……now time to not only like but subscribe.
love it!
I believe all of them were HGiG on the right except for RE8 on the right was DTM. The only one that I could tell immediately what it was was TLOU in the final clip with the vehicle outside because it was heavily shadowed.
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They are something burn issues between DTM and HGIG with 100 OLED Light ? Can I save use DTM on 100light for Warzone ? (Because I see more in dark area with DTM ) Sry for English :)
yeah, anytime you use HDR you should max out pixel brightness and contrast, whether youre using HGiG or DTM, it doesnt matter.
I recommend dtm off if you are concerned.
But I play loads of games with maxed out settings. Really driving this tv HARD.
IN WARZONE daytime playing
Oled light 100
Contrast 100
Brightness 55
Colour 80
Sharpness 40
Dtm ON
My TV doesn't have HGIG, only DTM... but with DTM on it loses a lot of luminosity and contrast, with DTM off it looks like the DTM in the video... I get confused.
what tv u have?
@@steadychaosproductions3376 TCL 55' QLED C725
If you want to just set it and leave it (not change back and forth for every game) would you recommend HGIG or DTM?
DTM.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 do I do the HDR calibration in HGIG and then turn on DTM or calibrate in DTM?
@@valps5gaming579 always calibrate in HGiG then you can turn DTM on.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 this has made the picture awesome! Thank you thank you thank you. Only thing is when I do this and click the calibration app, all of the checkerboards are back. Is that ok?
@@valps5gaming579 yeah, the reason you want to calibrate with HGiG is because that's the most accurate setting from a tone mapping standpoint. When you engage DTM, that tone mapping solution will change making the checkerboards look different. But, by at least using HGiG to calibrate, you start with an accurate baseline.
I was changing these setting alot until i think i find the best one at least for me to play God Of War(2018), i am currently playing with DTM and i changed the Black Levels from Auto to Limited and now it seems i got an great balance of good brightness and colors with deep blacks, it just really got beautiful, need to test this in other games.
Auto vs limited vs full only matters if it matches the PS5 output. If there is a mismatch you either get crushed blacks or soupy washed out mess
I use HGIG on games that have static HUDS that I can't remove, I use DTM on games that have no HUD or ones that can be removed.
Why? what static HUDS got to do with it?
@@Adamantaimai HGIG has a base level brightness Which is static.
Huds will overall be dimmer .
With DTM on, scenes that do not push high peak nits, it will tonemap the whole image to brighten up ALSO brightening all hud elements ofcourse.
I agree. Ggig is a more stable image as it tracks a nice curve.
Sometimes dtm on can completely change a scenes look in a negative way.
For example:
If the content is mastered way above 800 nits. Dtm will try to preserve highlight detail while dimming the rest of the image. Making bright scenes with sunny clouds look like overcast.
But as a positive You can also use DTM to your advantage in daylight viewing
As it wil generally brighten up the whole image. So for example setting the peak hdr brightness way lower in a game, the tv doesn't have to curve to 800 nits anymore and is capable of tonemapping darker and mid brightness scenes way brighter because the of lack of 800 nit specular highlights.
But note that often small highlights will clip with DTM on.
My takeaway is just use whatever looks best for you in any given situation.
Specific of content.
Sometimes dtm on looks better.
Sometimes if content is mastered at 800+ nits I like DTM off.
hello good evening i bought lg oled c1 which modem should stay hdr on or hgig seems lifeless
If you want punchiness and vibrance, HDR tone mapping on is the way to go.
If you want accuracy, HGiG is that way to go.
You could also try using dynamic contrast to enhance the brightness.
Does the lg c1 take care of screen burn-in?
youll be fine, just make sure you take reasonable measures to protect your LG OLED. Use pixel shift, make sure logo luminance adjustment is set to at least low, and if you're using your OLED as a monitor, use a dark background/themes and make sure screen saver is set to 3 minutes or so.
I find HGIG is the best for most games, but dark/nighttime games, TM can help a lot.
huh. I can tell which one is which just by looking at which one has the most blown-out lighting. Note that I am new to the whole HDR gaming, I just had my OLED TV for less than a month. HGiG is less bright, but generally keep the details better. DTM is FAR brighter, but idk if I want to exchange details for that, it does give more "wow" factor though. oh, and somehow the DTM looks way too cold...
hgig does not change the picture at all over here. looks the same like "off". DTM looks fantastic on Shadow of the Tomb Raider and COD Warzone. All PC.
HGiG and off are very similar, yes. Though I will say, HGiG does bring out specular highlights more so than off.
Lol if you can’t see the difference between HGiG and DTM off…you might wanna get your eyes checked, or maybe learn how to access HDR. No shade either…just you really might wanna learn, bc it’ll make your experience better, if you actually understand. There is definitely a difference. Overall tonal range, APL, mid tones, etc, between HGiG and DTM off should be exactly the same…the difference only being in the specular highlights, and how they’re mapped. If set up correctly, with a properly implemented HDR game…HGiG will almost always maintain more specular highlight detail than DTM. I mean even in a game like RDR2…which isn’t a HDR masterpiece..,the difference between HGiG and DTM off, is clear.
All DTM does, is interject fake brightness into the mix. It boosts the mid tones, and APL in dark scenes, however dims the image, to maintain specular highlight, in high APL scenes. That’s the biggest issue with DTM imo. They should of taken Sony’s approach, and respected the APL…
Btw…DTM off, doesn’t mean tone mapping, in case you didn’t know. HGiG means you’ve disabled all tone mapping on the set, and are letting the source control tone mapping, to prevent double tone mapping. DTM off, is still performing tone mapping, up to around 4,000 nits. However, DTM off, shouldn’t be used for any games. At least none I’ve come across. DTM on or HGiG, is the only way to play. With more of an emphasis on HGiG, as it’s the better mode, I’m most circumstances. Sorry you can’t see the difference tho. But you better look again there brother…
One last thing, to try and make this a little easier to follow…HGiG and DTM off, both follow the PQ EOTF curve accurately until roll off, or hard clip. DTM on, does not, and will artificially boost that EOTF curve, causing overtraking/over brightening. Most of the time you can see this effect on screen, when the color begin to dilute and wash out to white, easier, with DTM on. HGiG almost always maintain more color purity/volume as well. But it really all depends on the game, how the HDR is implemented, and if the game has a peak brightness slider, etc.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 Exactly. There’s a clear difference between DTM off and HGiG. However, as I explained up above, the APL, mid tones, etc, should be exactly the same between HGiG and DTM off…bc they both follow the EOTF curve correctly, until roll off, or hard clip… the difference only being in the specular highlight details.
This comment just told me everything tho…lol this person just doesn’t understand HDR.
Lol…there really no right answer between DTM and HGiG…it’s all game specific, and depends on how the HDR is implemented. Hell…even some native HGiG games aren’t implemented well. But overall, HGiG is the clear winner, and should be used majority of the time imo. DTM has it’s use case, and is necessary for certain games tho, for sure.
Btw..
1st clip is DTM left…HGiG right….
2nd is DTM right, HGiG left…
3rd is DTM left, HGiG right
4th is DTM left, HGiG right
5th is DTM right, HGiG right
From what I was seeing, ratchet and clank was the only really tricky one. But I finally could tell, by the colors difference. I know DTM pops more in that game.
Close, but your answers are not 100% correct.
And I agree, in general, HGiG is prb preferred for accuracy sake, but it can certainly vary game by game.
@Bzake Minimal? I see blown out highlights with DTM….then if use HGiG, it will results in clearly less clipping, and more detail resolved. Tho it’s not perfect, I will say….especially with majority of HDR gaming implementations, that aren’t very precise in their sliders. I just kinda find the CX to be pushing white too hard, no matter what tho, especially once you start pushing luminance. Idk…it’s just something that’s always bugged me. It’s gotten a little better over updates tho. The grid effect also bugs me, in bright HDR highlights. DTM just exaggerates this. HDR seems to be all about compromising tho. It’s whatever you prefer.
There’s definitely games that require using DTM tho, unless you want to look at hard clipped highlights. The flip side to that, is over brightened mid tones, which personally I don’t mind, as long as things aren’t too, too bright, causing exaggerated noise and artifacts within the source itself.
Long post. Still struggling with my settings, year and a half later. All attempts(except Dirt) I've choose are wrong, but i think that's just how my tv is, everything is backwards.
Im using LG Nanocell79(cannot afford expensive one), and im more comfortable to play with HGIG than anything else, but it's not perfect. Here is my experience, its a bit tricky to explain:
Everything off: looks so washed out and dim, and in some cases, all white colours seems on the same level, loosing details, making some images to be just white/greyish.
DTM on: looks good, but biggest downside is that dark scene seems to lower my tv lighting, making everything hard to see, including subtitles. As if with this setting, whole brightness goes down for some reason, back and forth, very distracting.
HGIG on: reverse situation, everything looks good, ui is bright af, unlike two options above. But light sources(only daylight) in the game became hard to watch, literally blinding you. Yet i choose this, cuz it looks richer than first option, and doesn't lower brightest like second. I'd rather be blinded by sun, than being unable to see what is going on in the darker scenes(ingame or cutscenes).
Plus, im still struggling with PS5 hdr setting. In HGIG, the grey squares can be seen up to 26 tics, and for some reason, they sometimes disappear, starting from 10, yet i can see outline of them, while inside is pure white. It doesn't feel right, I understand that my tv is not good, so how can it can go up to 26 tics?.... And occasional borders with white insides bothering me. My dark level is at lowest. Black Level i put on limited, with auto(its always full) it starts to hurt eyes, contrast is just too brutal... I'm using PC mode, power eco is off, light and contrast is 100, brightness and colour at 50, warm2.
Perhaps something should be changed in games settings itself? This is where im lost, when going in game hdr settings, i don't really understand those numbers.
sounds like it could be various limitations of the TV itself that are causing your issues.
I would certainly recommend using HGiG if you can, as that is the more accurate representation of HDR. The issue, HGiG can and IS often on the dim side - esp if a TV's peak brightness is limited.
Also, I believe that TV uses HDMI 2.0B ports, so you would certainly want to set your RGB range to limited, or sometimes its known as "low."
When calibrating the PS5 HDR, calibrate exactly per this video: www.bing.com/videos/search?q=how+to+calibrate+HDR+on+ps5&view=detail&mid=9890FC70ADAE2B6B8B6D9890FC70ADAE2B6B8B6D&FORM=VIRE
The video is exhaustive and particularly informative when it comes to HDR calibration.
To big of a variable with this test. We are viewing on different displays. Even if I was watching on my LG CX it still wouldn't be the same as what you see. Each panel can reflect differently.
This video isn't even coded in hdr. So the point of this video is?
bro, take a breath, have some fun.
Everyone says how starkly different HGiG and DTM are, this is testing that theory. Of course, its not a perfect experiment, but this is UA-cam, not mythbusters.
And yes, you can tell the difference between most of the clips in this video. That's evidenced by the fact that most people in the comment section down below had the right answers.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 Mythbusters!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Last of us : HGIG Left - Right DTM
Ratchet : HGIG Left - Right DTM
Spider : DTM Left - Right HGIG
Dirt 2 : HGIG Left - Right DTM
RE8 : HGIG Left - Right DTM
Watching it on an SDR video makes it a bit hard to tell them apart 😪
There is a lot of crucial hidden details that an SDR curve cannot catch so we can only guess based oh the overall contrast instead 😢
Its very challenging to tell them apart, for sure. I made the video and then watched it after and even I was having a hard time.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 yeah it's much easier in real life when you sit in front of the TV.
@@Lasse3 debateable.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 as compared to watch your video side by side comparison on my phone on UA-cam.
Hell yes, watching the game in HDR for real on the actual TV hooked up to the PS5 is much better for comparison between HGIG and DTM.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 It's not. Just pay attention to brightness changes.
Brightness changes in scene or scene to scene based on camera angle = DTM On
Brightness doesn't change no matter what is on screen or how you turn camera = HGIG
3:33 Do you notice how awkwardly bright it gets on left one after you drop down?
While sometimes I struggle to get used to hgig darkness as I’m new to oled , I much much prefer the detail in highlights that hgig presveres , dtm blows out highlight details , like the sun in the windows on miles morales , also at night time dtm makes night time look too bright and washed out in some games
you’re right , i used to like DTM but when i noticed how much better low lit areas in games or movies looked with DTM off or HGIG on for games i stopped using DTM. DTM will completely change the “mood” of low lit areas or night time scenes.
It's all about personal preference. As gamers let's just enjoy our games
Agree, but its still fun to talk about.
DTM looks better in bright scenes but alot worse in dark scenes .
Yeah, thats a pretty common refrain from people.
Ive found on my q90a if i take shadow detail drop it -5 it removes all the washed out look and give realistic lighting effects but for hgig i set gamma to +3 and for dtm set it to -3 then theres literally no difference between the two and both look perfect and i can then just set game mode to auto and enjoy both modes without the need to worry about "which is better" i use hgig for gaming and dtm for netflix or movies ive bought digitally on my series x. Also setting the calibration for auto hdr in the system just use hgig to set it and those will work perfect with dtm on as well.
Thank you sir!! 👍👍
Next time, please show the exact same clip side by side, would make it alot easier.
I got them all right 😄
HGIG always makes shadow detail much darker, and highlights stands out as being brighter. All in all a much more dynamic image full of contrast.
DTM is just a washed out overbrightened mess in comparison.
I swear, there's always someone who will complain about something. Never figgin fails. lol
Anyway, depends on the game. I usually use HGiG as well, but certain games can be a bit flat with it.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 no HGIG does the exact same thing everytime. Regardless of which game is active, it's completely static.
*With HGIG*
- dark areas become darker
-APL is reduced (average picture luminanse)
-Highlights is the only thing that isn't reduced
As a result - with HGIG every highlight will stand in greater contrast to the general luminanse level.
It therefore adds a percieved greater depth to the image, that now appears more dynamic.
With DTM on the contrary, the APL is greatly increased, compressing the dynamic, in the sense that everything is much brighter, therefore highlights can't pop, they won't appear to stand in contrast to the general level of luminanse, therefore being perceived as being dimmer.
In conclusion, HGIG provides a much more correct and also Vivid HDR experience as compared to DTM, which simply compresses and overbrightens the image, completely deviating from the EOTF PQ curve.
Assuming you have a worthy reference monitor which has been professionally measured and calibrated to D65 White point, 2,2 gamma log, 65.000k color temperature etc,
you should share this experience aswell.
@@Lasse3 Highlights can still pop in DTM, despite APL generally being higher. You act as though DTM just blows everything out and makes a truly hideous image. Sometimes, this is true, but not always. Again, HGiG is the more "Accurate" way to go, though not all games are even programmed for HGiG or even have in-game sliders to effectively hone in peak brightness.
Ultimately, if HGiG wasn't sometimes too "dark" for some people, then DTM would have never been invented, now would it have?
No need trying to tell people how to use their TV. If they like DTM, they like DTM.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 splendid you're actually well wersed in this stuff.
Why HGIG can make dark scenes in some games completely black, is a mystery to me.
You're right, that If the creators, were in fact color-grading with HGIG active themself, we would not experience this.
The only game that really appears to be made with HGIG in mind, is Ratchet and Clank rift apart.
But there is no such thing as an "HGIG rdy game"
Alot of people are confused about what HGIG is..
Long story short, every TV has different DTM, and the creators should make the games so it would look perfect without DTM.
Ofcourse this would require the creators to adjust peak brightness to match your exact TV.
So we need a peak brightness slider, to make HDR work. But DTM is garbage, I have yet to see a game that looks better with DTM.
"Highlights can still pop" you say.
Yes to a certain extent, but nothing like HGIG, also this is about much more than just highlights, DTM acts as a conpresser, leaving too much of the image in the 50% nits area (mid-tones)
The depth is lost, the dynamism, the fidelity.
But yeah it really makes me scratch my head why HGIG goes so hard on reducing the low level brightness, to the point of crushing blacks it sometimes appears.
This is happening both for QLED and OLED, it's really not a TV specific phenomena, I have a professionally calibrated Neo-Qled, I also experience the "too dark HGIG"
But I'll take that anyday over DTM, 😜 I'm not telling you what to do, I'm just stating some facts and some opinions to go along.
If DTM looks washed out to you, something is wrong with your settings
hgig in dark room. DTM in bright room. Its as easy as that. The only option I wouldnt recommend is DTM and HGIG "off"
Honestly I am stumped on which one is which. I cant tell the difference honestly.
Indeed...I made the video and I had to squint to differentiate the two.
Its crazy.
How do we calibrate an adjust . feature?
HGIG IN PS5
I have a pretty in depth tutorial on how to calibrate your PS4/5's HDR with HGiG: ua-cam.com/video/z17PS8N0cCQ/v-deo.html
Full House for me, and even more proof, I know working HGiG better than Vincent Teoh :) G1 has broken HGiG BTW, which we are arguing over lol.
it has broken HGiG? haha
@@steadychaosproductions3376 Seems like it's only the G1, was very dim (came from a CX) I knew right away, randomly autocal cured it, which 100% confirmed the problem. Others are coming forward too now....but a guy who has a 40 gamerscore clearly ain't gonna know better than someone with 90K, when it comes to HGiG 😂
TLOU - left DTM
Ratchet - no idea
Miles Morales - Left HGIG.. I think
Rally - left DTM
RE8 - Left HGIG
That's tough :P
I think it is tough...much tougher than I expected anyway.
Imma say:
1: L DTM R HGiG
2: L HGiG R DTM
3: L DTM R HGiG
4: L DTM R HGiG
5: L HGiG R DTM
Interesting...very interesting.
Well on the Xbox Series X and Playstation 5 you can calibrate your HDR setting, and on both of those modes will kill make it really overly bright and stupid dark in dark sense. Look up the (Samsung S95B OLED TV review | The Good. The Bad. Should You Buy?) on Digital Tends. It really shows what happens when you follow the calibration settings on the Xbox or Playstation. Honestly not having them on is the best in my opinion.
interesting, ive not noticed that problem.
Nice video. I like your opinions because you don't drink Vincent Teohs kool aid and suddenly pretend like HGIG is amazing and DTM is trash.
I play with DTM. Day time or bright scenes in games look absolutely stunning and pop with it on.
I do think HGIG is much better for night scenes and dark moody games, but if I had to choose between amazing pop during day time scenes and proper black levels during night scenes ill pick the former.
It sucks we cant have a clear winner, but anyone that can play a game like ratchet and clank rift apart and can say HGIG looks better in that game needs their eyes examined or are just out right lying
Yeah, the YT community says you need to use HGiG, 0 sharpness, 50 color, warm 2 yadda yadda yadda. Sure thats accurate, but I tell people to use whatever looks better to them.
i see no difference because its a youtube video, you dont actually get the real color space, you captured the imagens, not displaying it with their hdr processing. Only way to see a real difference is to run the actual test yourself
i can see a difference, as have many others.
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Hgig while playing pubg on XSX is dimmer.
Dimmer is brighter and a little washed out.
Easy
1: L DTM R HGiG
2: L HGiG R DTM
3: L DTM R HGiG
4: L DTM R HGiG
5: L HGiG R DTM
The only hard one was ratchet and clank.
very, very close, but you are not 100% correct.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 Not 100% sure but it must be Rachet and clank then. That one is a tricky one. In person is definitely way more easier to tell. A UA-cam video is not the best way to do this comparison. is fun though.
@@ChipChocolatePR Agree, it is a tad easier in person. Tough I will say, the differences between HGiG and DTM are not as drastic as I thought they'd be.
@@steadychaosproductions3376 The only drastic difference is the brightness. I use DTM cause it makes the picture brighter. For me HGIG is to dark especially when you're playing multiplayer games is hard to see your enemy.
Thank you for the Video! I have the LG BX 55 and when I do HDR adjust on my Ps5 (after game mode and Hgig on), at the first screen I need to almost go to highest possible setting because the sun image persists. It first becomes very light, then I only see the outlines of the circle, then it becomes a little more visible and almost at the end of the adjustment range (highest value) it becomes barely invisible again. Anyone else have this issue and knows a solution?
make sure your black level is correct. Both should be matching.
You need to turn on HGIG in the tone mapping settings on the tv, with dynamic tone mapping on or off both are doing some tone mapping, hence why the sun does not disappear. Set to HGIG and no tone mapping will be occuring so you will be able to set the hdr screens correctly (correct settings for your TV are first 2 screens 14 clicks from bottom, third screen exact bottom).
DTM looked best to me
Hgig on the right DTM on the left
for which video though?
@@steadychaosproductions3376 TLOU
It's resident evil village not "the" village 😆
Thank you for making that extremely important correction. lol
good video idea and good conversation topic, but side by side videos are totally useless if they are not synched ...
i get what youre saying, but one should be able to notice brightness or contrast differences regardless.