Angry Gamers Try to Review-Bomb Baldur's Gate 3 - Fails Miserably
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On one hand, this recent controversy is pretty sad, on the other it gave me a good chuckle.
Swen's speech: ua-cam.com/video/YvRm4HKK4gQ/v-deo.html
bruh you need to pin those bg3 character customization mods
I do respect Asian culture and i know alot of different asaian gamers and people and misunderstanding can happen, i jsut hope they review the positives posts and hooe to reinstate what they said. People are so naive should fact check first!!! 😂 This is a very very good thing! But i had a feeling someone would be like this.
@@LegendaryProCoLink I get respecting Asian culture in the 90s and early 2000s but they’ve just been speed running incel maxxing into extinction lately
@@hektikheck got a mod video out the other day, you can find the list there :)
the speech was hella condescending when translated to chinese, that's why people were mad
Imagine getting mad because someone said "games are better when devs are treated like human beings".
China doesn't treat people like people so I'm not surprised
Shills are gonna shill
I think it’s pretty obvious this is a result of meaning & intention being lost in translation
that would be insulting for a chinese person, to be treated like a human being with emotions is unbelievable for them. HOW DARE THEY!
@@TJones4Lyeah thts wt I thought He literally praised Game Science and all the Devs of the Nominees of Game of the Year indirectly by saying what actually probably was misinterpreted by many Chinese players its sad though they dont know how much even in the west people wanted Wukong to win Game of the Year too but Astro Bot was deserving too!
I’m sorry but wtf is this?
Sven didn’t even mention Black Myth Wukong, he was just genuinely talking about gaming industry (at least what I understood)
And I can say with certainty that his speech was based as fuck
most likely language barrier and meaning lost with it
The mandarin translation screwed up and completely misconveyed the meaning of what Sven was saying to the Chinese customer base that were watching. That's why.
Its mentioned in the video here as well.
Some new oulet probably fucked it up and since they dont know English well language barrier worked wonders for them.
his words were basically twisted (intentionally or otherwise) into: "only the game that takes care of its players, and doesn't bend the knee to money-driven initiatives, will win" and took it as a slight on Wukong, that it didn't win because it wasn't taking care of customers.
And Chinese gamers are a little intense if they think china or something about china is being criticized
I think these review-bombers actually thought that Swen himself picked the winner. It sounds crazy, but people actually ARE that dumb.
Thousands of years still weren't enough to make people learn to not blame the messenger.
Also what is wrong with the winner? It may sound wild but I’m actually fine and even prefer journalists and publications picking the winner over gamers. Gamers are dumb, entitled and can review bomb games for the silliest of reasons. This is why I don’t take user scores on Metacritic serious anymore
@@dammyoyesanya4656
Journos review bomb for those exact reasons too, if not substantially worse so as of late.
Cause that's how things work in China lol
With how stupid people are, I wouldn't be surprised.
Someone recently told me, "i bet you like Baldur's Gate 3" as if it were an insult. I was taken aback because a year ago literally everyone was praising the crap out of this game. I was just like, "Of course I like Baldur's Gate 3!" And then they laugh reacted to my comment, but made no further replies. I had no idea what the hell was up with that exchange, but I guess this explains it.
They just have terrible taste or are literally 9 years old and grew up on fortnite so they genuinely do not have the mental capacity to enjoy turn based games
@Voltaic01 they also accused me of liking fortnite,lol.
@@DragonflyandTheWolf i BeT yOu LiKe PoPuLaR tHiNgS! moment.
generalizing a whole group of people (millions in this case) is always very "likable".....
its really close minded if someone honestly thinks, that if you like "A" you probably "B" ..... and of course you also cant like 2 different things at the same time.
just try to ignore people who try to put you in a box for having an opinion or your own taste, especially on the internet.
you are just you ;)
They are probably a child. Or an infantile adult, which is just sad.
My Respect for Sven and Larian only grew after hits speech
He looked nervous speaking out in an audience that wouldn't want to hear it. He is our hero.
But this Chinese backlash looks like a misunderstanding. If these people weren't misguided, they wouldn't have any beef with Larian.
@@stanislavkimov2779 i mean look where they live so course they would be misguided
@@stanislavkimov2779 its easier to virtue signal than have actual virtues
@@Demonsouls1993 If they really wanted to live under different rule, they'd have made it happen.
I agree. I would also like to point out that BG3 disproves what "gaming journos" say about the gaming community as a whole. (full of bigots and racists)
In case anyone is interested in the numbers: Prior to the review bomb BG3 had a 96.871% recommended score, and after the last few days it's now 96.832%, a drop of 0.039%. And the bomb has pretty much died down to nothing at this time, so yeah, the impact was pretty small.
Looks like the chinese people with sense held their ground well enough to counteract those lost to translation rage.
Sounds more like a review-firecracker to me 🎆
I'm reminded of the scene in Mars Attacks where the US launches a nuke at the Martian vessel.
Imagine being one of 500 people trying to tank a game with 80000+ positive reviews
@@nathank2289You may have forgotten a zero 😅, It's a bit over 620,000+ recommends.
hilarious that in Journey to the West, Wukong literally symbolizes the impulsiveness and lack of focus of the untrained human mind. what a lovely lesson to learn here.
The creator of the game doesn't seem too much better than his game's fans, either. He released a really whiny response to losing and even mentioned having his speech ready two years ago... as in... before the game was even developed.
Talk about arrogant.
@@LucifronzI’d be arrogant as well to be the first person making an actual game from a country that’s just known for dogshit gachas
The WuKong gamers are the allegorical Sun WuKong oh the irony! 😂
Irony at the finest!
Ego at its highest. It's literally just a soulsborne knockoff with Chinese mythos paintjob.
2:20 Hideo Kojima (Japanese) suffered the same issue when Death Stranding came about bc of poor translation. He was accused of hating the west gamers for only wanting to play 1st/3rd person multiplayer shooters but if you go and read the actual translation thats NOT what he said. In short, he was just acknowledging that the west dominance was 1st/3rd person shooters and he wanted to try and bring something different to the table for ppl to experience.
Chinese,japanese and Korean has different language family from western languages. Sometimes 1 to 1 translation impossible to do. I remember watching Chinese serieses and not being able understand shit because everything was idioms weird talking way especially the historic ones needs time to adjusting. I didnt have many issue with Japanese and Korean tho since my language is in the same family group still English subs sucked for them too. Sometimes context just flew away. Same with kpop idols would say something and we would argue what did they mean for hours because translations didnt do justice or straight out wrong
@@exosproudmamabear558 the same is true of W. European languages, even closely related ones at times need a deep understanding of what the whole meaning was in a statement and then someone eredite enough to translate that closely in a succinct way. Commercial translation simply does not have the time to do that, while AI models can only be as good as the training data they are given. If you look in the English-Deutsch dictionary for example, there's lots of words that have context dependent alternative translations and looking up any word deeper, provides usually 3-8 different meanings, which also evolve over time.
As you say, understanding at advanced levels requires understanding the culture of the speaker & listener, I would use a different choice of words depending where the listener is from.
The kind of people who jump on a bandwagon are venting their anger & frustration, they simply are not interested in the truth of the matter but act out of hot emotions not cool considered thought.
Death Stranding was THE thing that got me through first few months of Russian invasion. We were terrified, broken and lost, and this game gave me some solace. it holds special place in my heart.
Those shooters are nothing but mindless cash grabs. Notice that the story mode of COD gotten smaller and smaller over the years. Use to love them, but than you got the battle field ones that feel almost like mindless walk through than a story. That was one of the issues with the field, games just got dumb and boring as they turned into mindless shooters instead of good stories.
@@exosproudmamabear558 Oh, translating to English is a nightmare unto itself: It's such a nuanced, strange, messed up, Hodge podge of historic idea's, concepts and more. We have words and entire classes of words that come from various languages, and various times and have been anglified in spelling/use to varying degrees. And while most of the root of the language - including syntax structure, we can see the latin family of languages influence, or Greek, Latin, and even Arabic. All of this plays havoc in choosing how to translate a given message...
And then there is formal vs. informal language; the fact that context can matter in some instances - and not at all in others. And while this is true for most languages: English is a special nut job of a case.
If we go from English which is LARGELY non-tonal, and LARGELY does not differentiate spellings of words for gendered context: It does have SOME examples where this is true. But it gets worse: The English language does not inherently differentiate on seniority, class, gender, race, or really... anything else: That is a cultural element built ontop, outside of the language. So - if you come from a family of language where how you address someone is wrapped up in your social relationship to the person - translating to English can become a nightmare: And context matters.
And all of this is like a brush over, of one language - There is so much nuance, so much depth, so much historical context: And it matters. If you are to translate from one language, to another - you have to contend with tempo, narrative flow, and so much else: It's not easy. In fact - it is a very difficult task - and wars have been started over mistranslated of text sent from one party, to another.
And this gets us to: Where valued translators are found - in general, they get jobs dealing with diplomatic messages where both parties have translators preferably, and if there is disagreement it is resolved with dialogue in the moment to attempt to resolve the intended message and clearly share it. It's difficult - and requires all parties to be acting in good faith.
And then we have "dealing with the public". The masses rarely act in good faith.
Swen: "We are here to celebrate games from companies that don't treat their employees and customers like garbage."
Some chinese gamers: "HE CALLED US GARBAGE?"
This really feels like just a mistranslation and nothing more.
or the chinese are projecting . i mean its the garbage country of planet earth XD
More like a bad-faith interpretation of a mistranslation. There's still quite a mental leap between "they don't care about sales numbers" and "I should give them a bad review and boycott them because they say they don't care about sales". That just doesn't make any sense.
always chinese
That, or maybe the chinese consider themself companies that don't treat people right
@@SaHaRaSquad no typical chinese aggression.
Sucks that a mistranslation happened. Gamers in general are too impulsive with the review bombing. Glad to see that some people realize the mistake and try to counter it
Gamers are most sensitive and dramatic group out there.
@@LiopleurodonJuiceNO WE ARN’T!
He's showing campgear
@LiopleurodonJuice every group of fans for specific thing are dramatic like sports fans and I've seen some real die hard music fans too, people are dramatic in general
@@LiopleurodonJuice its ok, then gamers will not buy larian studios games lol, then the studios become dramatic like DEI you are
The funny thing is all the rage is because of mistranslation. “ I will be the first to know” was translated as “I already know”, “developing games not targeting market share” was translated as “game sales are not important “
I mean, that doesn't change the message much at all though? It still carries a pretty much identical message. This whole controversy makes me feel like China has a very toxic, company-first work culture.
Yeah, I don’t understand how even those mistranslations sparked any backlash, unless there were more.
@@theninjaguy2 I think it is a mistake to try and generalize to all of China in this way just based on this, though I won't pretend to know anything about Chinese work culture personally. This is the kind of thing you see happen when some grifter dishonestly uses social media to push whatever chip is on their shoulder here in the west, it's quite plausible the same sort of thing happened in China.
It's the tone difference. This is also the second time there was a mistranslation, the previous time was when the public community labelled the studio responsible for wukong as racist and sexist. No wonder they took offence @@theninjaguy2
I am interested in who was translating. Especially since i have seen bad rumors about many of the awards this year. Might there be any intention?
Sven: "I think we should treat developers like human beings."
China: "You have made a dangerous enemy today."
always chinesecorona
Perfect
Pretty sure they're treated even worse in US.....
I've worked in China. I know people who live there. I'd MUCH rather work for a company there than a US company. US corporate environments are driven by greed, social dominance behavior, and ego. It is MUCH worse here. So many people fall into the trap of western propaganda regarding China.
not buying it, all the really bad stuff seems to be happening in one country and it's most definitely not china
*Loud cheering:* "SVEN! SVEN! SVEN! SVEN! SVEN!"
Swen* but yeah SWEN! SWEN! SWEN! SWEN!
@@MrHulthen in his honour you can rename NSVEN squad in NSWEN
The only sane reason to review bomb BG3 is Swen Vincke bad drip at Game Award (my man Swen, where the hell is your full body armor?)
Lmao yeah i missed his armor
no, another reason is that the game sucks.
I will probably go there and give it a 5, which is more than it deserves.
@@rogeriopenna9014 Have you played it?
Do you know how heavy full-plate is when you're the one wearing it
@@rogeriopenna9014 5??? That is generous. Oh wait... we are talking about Black Myth, right?
Sven’s speech was great and completely pro-gamer. I would also say the speech is not about Wukong as that game gave the actual gamers exactly what they want. Wukong should have won over Astro Bot IMO.
Agreed, and you're allowed to think that. Wukong is absolutely a good game but that doesn't mean Astrobot (or BG3 lol) is garbage.
Man I miss reasonable discussions on the internets :(
The speech was also about Astro Bot though, which also gave gamers what they wanted and wasn't greedy for money. So by that logic Astro Bot's win was also fully deserved. Same could be said for any of the nominees this year really (with perhaps the exception of the DLC, but that's a different topic). This is probably why he made that speech in the first place, he knew that regardless of which game won, it'd be fitting.
While I do also think Wukong should have won and that Stellar Blade should have at least being nominated, I do also believe Astro Bot was a solid game that deserved that win
@@MrHulthen I envy your experiences if you've ever had reasonable discussions online! As far back as 1992, an entire BBS hounded me off it for a very simple, politely-phrased post about how I didn't think that Alien3 was the single worst film ever made. Humans + the perception of anonymity = the definition of unreasonable behaviour :)
@@MrHulthen The only thing I wish for nominations regarding the game of the year, is that it would be Multi-platform only and not platform exclusives. It feels grossly unfair for a platform locked game to win game of the year vs games that are multiplatform (it also doesn't help shut up people who say that the big companies buy their awards lol).
Can you tell I hate platform exclusivity? its such cancer lol
If they want to have platform exclusives in nomination, then they should give them their own category so platform exclusives can fight it out over the nomination lol
For Wukong to lose to Astrobot despite how good Astrobot is, just seems cheap honestly.
It was not "gamers" it was Chinese Netizens who were upset Wukong got snubbed at the game awards. they were re-directed to a more fitting target after people explained to them that Larian Studios was on their side.
Thanks for the explanation.
And I do think that Wukong got snubbed, and that it's understandable for Chinese players to be upset.
Even if their fragile gamer rage was redirected, will they retract or edit their reviews? Not likely so they can pound sand.
@@lightworker2956 Snubbed? It won Best Action game.
@@thegrouchizationbut not goty
Im glad Wukong didn't win goty, let these fragile idiots seethe.
Know who's gay in BG 3? (potentially) Everyone.
Know who cares? No one.
Know why? Game good.
Couldn't put it better myself
"Know who's gay in BG 3? (potentially) Everyone."
Know who's straight in BG 3? (potentially) Everyone. Who cares? No one. Because its the players choice. Thats what makes it good. Its not forced in our face one way or the other or shoved down our throats. Its there if we and it, and isn't if we don't. Unlike many other recent titles.
"but the bear scene!!!!!" Lol, I have close to 2k hours in the game and never saw that scene.
Me neither but have you tried playing as Shart origin and romancing Halsin? Im just guessing tho @@mfo6892
Its literally because they shove it in tour face and cram it down your throat thata why it gets a pass
this is the same energy as people last year attacking Baldur's Gate for winning over Spiderman 2 last year.
"What do they have that Spider-Man doesn't?" proceeds to use the Opening Fight Cutscene as to why they should've won over Baldur's Gate.
Wasn't there just 500 negative reviews..? This seems like a very small minority of people who are getting too much attention
"The Lion does not concern himself with the opinions of sheep"
Sven was not throwing shade at China or Black Myth Wukong. Tencent, a Chinese company, actually owns 30% of Larian. Fans of Black Myth Wukong just wanted somewhere to project their anger for not winning GOTY. This is just another example of an angered online group taking a shot and missing the target.
Maybe if they could open their eyes all the way they wouldn't have missed the mark so hard
Sven: "slavery bad"
People enslaved by their government: "omg cancel him"
That's a stupid take and you didn't even see the video...
It do be like that with some people. A surprising amount of them too.
@@kpetalis he's making a joke, and that is kinda what happened if you skip the mistranslation to shorten the punchline.
Review bombing of anything has become one of the dumbest traditions of the Internet.
Yes and no, i think its a useful tool in the hands of the majorities, the actual gamers who wanna give devs a piece of their mind. When "whiny minorities" use it, it often has no effect even with the entirety of gaming journalists backing its reach. But like all things, it can be misused.
@Kirai_ it's really not. Leave an honest review. Very few pieces of media that get consumed are worthy of a 0 or 1 rating. That indicates something that is fatally flawed, broken, or totally unenjoyable. Reviews are less for developers and more for consumers. A bunch of people with an agenda are just ruining the usefulness of reviews for other consumers, not sending a message to the creators
"review bombing" is just media spin trying to protect the media.
They are honest reviews of what people are thinking
@@Kirai_Then it isn’t review bombing. If the majority didn’t like it then that’s just honesty.
@@Kirai_ not really useful ever. boycotts have proven to be much more effective (minus Hogwarts Legacy, but i don't really think it was boycotted either 😂)
A lot of mainland Chinese kind of view themselves as the center of the universe, so it's not surprising every time a misunderstanding happens due to language barriers and the bug men are out for blood as a result because that's how mainland culture is in Communist China. In vtubing they became absolutely notorious for being completely vicious and unhinged and never willing to consider translation issues or cultural differences. You know what they say to people who don't speak good Mandarin? 'Don't speak bird language' and 'speak human'. That's normal levels of ignorance and intolerance that the CCP has nurtured in them their whole lives.
It's almost as if nationalism and discrimination aren't exclusive to white people 😂
Not saying that it's not a very real problem. I'm saying that it's fatal to be blindsided to it by thinking it's only a very real systemic issue when white people are the ones doing the abuse. Some things are damaging, no matter who does it. And some places select for sich behaviours more than others.
Ironically, we see the same problem in several countries who point fingers at each other while being obnoxious to how very alike they are. Just the specific execution differs, not the outcome.
"Don't let impulse dominate your actions"
I wish folks everywhere (not just those in the gaming community) would take this bit of advice to heart.
Turns out the chinese are very witty when writting "wise sayings" but very lacking when it comes to following their own advice.
Trying to review bomb BG3 is like trying to destroy a rock by stabbing it with a knife.
It's not very effective..
He is the reason I will be playing Bladur's Gate years from now. He genuinely cares about the gamers and not only about money.
I would be, if Karlach had her ending.
Still waiting, Larian.
Please don't repeat the translation mistake, OK? He cares about money. He doesn't care about money ABOVE respect and joy. That's a difference! 😂 In fact that's a part of "respect and joy".
He very much cares about feeding people who create the game. He doesn't care for feeding of the very people who want to exploit creations and creators for the sole purpose of bleeding customers dry, while trampling over everything that games are about!
Lets be honest, Chinese players always throw a fit when China is not depicted as the best thing in the multiverse. This even went so far as to threaten game devs with murder when a Character who was the personification of Fantasy China in Genshin was not OP to the maximum.
sounds more like US and UK people honestly
@@Blox117 Utterly ignorant. Especially regarding the UK, which is literally known for being intensely self-deprecating and self-critical.
@@Blox117actually many countries are like this and this is coming from a British person. A lot of countries have had this high horse kind of behaviour at some point. People just take nationalism and take it to the extreme
@@bladeinthesmint5995 i dunno i genuinely dont see it that much from china if at all. its always americans and british talking about how they are/were number 1. im also american so i should know too
@@Blox117 I see you're not very informed about how things work in regards to China then. Cause between China, America, Russia and a whole long list, I really don't know why people make such a difference, even pointing at each other when you can barely tell them apart. Especially those pointing at each other are hilariously projecting as they are so alike in so many respects, that it's just embarrassing to watch.
I love BG3 and nobody can ruin it. ❤
Same
For chinese people it is essential to be number one at any cost (that's why there are also so many chinese cheaters in online games). Projects like Black Myth: Wukong are a sort of representation of China in the gaming industry and I am pretty sure the development was also supported by the party. So that was very important for them to win the GOTY. I think, for them Swen was not the one who announced the victory of Astro Bot but more the one who announced the defeat of a chinese product. That's why they became so mad on him personaly. The misunderstood speach was also probably taken as additional mocking. But we should also admit, that there are many new positive chinese reviews, so not everyone participates in that review bombing.
Exactly. There were many positive & reasonable chinese reviews, and then many more overall positive reviews at the end of the day :)
Being best at all cost is such a toxic value omg.
Them feeling robbed is fair but they should direct the criticism to the JURINAList that voted.
@@mariamelnitskaya4493 Chinese culture has a few very different cultural things from western values that are as fascinating as they are weird lol
Cheating isn't necessarily frowned upon or even shameful if it helped you achieve the first place
@@mariamelnitskaya4493 It is a toxic value and I believe he said the wrong phrase. As far as we know BM Wukong didn't play dirty (in fact was the victim of dirty tricks). I don't think "at any cost" was the correct phrase lol. From what I heard, Wukong was made fair and square with passion and as for winning, I didn't hear about any briberies or blackmailing either. I recall they were more the victim?
People are pathetic no matter what they do it won't change that this was a generational game one of the best I've ever played obviously made by delvopers that genuinely care
yeah nice best of Mario game more not..
Black Wukong didn't deserve to win anyways, typical of them to assume they are entitled to win and apparently the dev team were seen crying because they genuinely thought they were gonna win. The Director for the game and founder of the studio went on a rant on waibo, aka chinese twitter, claiming it wasn't fair and that they were all anti-chinese and disrespectful they gave the award to a Japanese team on this day of memorial of THAT day in China during WW2. Just jingoism with a slice of nationalism at its most dumb.
Wow. THAT's a level of disconnect. I would put down money that not a single person who decided the winner knew it would land on any kind of a memorial of past events. I'd be impressed if half of them even know there's generational anger between China and Japan at all.
Lol, whats even funnier is that the director for wukong wrote an acceptance speech for the game awards 2 WHOLE YEARS in advance. Thats how arrogant and pompous that guy is.
The chinese have learned well from their jewish masters, when you feel cornered cry anti-semitism. Westerners are not appreciative enough that you're bombing children daily? Anti-semitism. Clearly. They even know how to evoke the very same WW2 parallels, like Putin claiming he's on an anti-fascist crusade as justification fro invading Ukraine, as if that, even if true, gives him the right to invade them.
But I much prefer that such people get baited like this because these are the only times the mask falls off and the world gets to see what they really think.
i mean PUBG lost a GOTY to a switch exclusive zelda game, games can't just win a GOTY just because of a record breaking numbers and profit, Wukong is a pretty generic Unreal Souls game, and there're like 6 of those released last year, the only advantage it had was some Chinese nationalism and these culture war stuff
I think what makes this worse is that they won 2 awards that night if I remember correctly. That’s just another level of salty
What i heard was that the live translation of the speach said "we don't care about sales" and that the people don't like this and gave bad reviews for this sentance
Wukong fans take after the Wukomg dev team I guess. Wukong CEO made a statement after the game awards where he was super salty that he didn’t win. Saying “Fu*k I came here for nothing” and saying he wrote his award speech two years prior. And no this wasn’t a mistranslation as that’s what actual Chinese native speakers are saying he said.
At the game awards Alanah Pearce who was in the front row claimed she even saw the dev team crying when Astro Bot won. That it’s the first time she ever saw anything like that.
now i'm glad they didn't win, they definitely needed to get humbled
@@AmonTheWitch That's nonsense. Why exactly are we shaming emotions in here??? It's OK to express frustration and own feelings of disappointment, plus there's very real systemic discrimination in the mix way too often, too.
If that person attacked other devs or games over it, now that's inappropriate. But you two are both shaming that people who worked under a lot of pressure dared to show disappointment. How exactly is that OK?
It's just as lacking nuance as the reaction of the Chinese players who review bombed.
Again, not stating if the devs and CEO are one way or another. I didn't see their statement.
I am saying that your choices in framing their reactions are not appropriate in context of what information you gave and the specific things you chose to frame as problematic.
@@KxNOxUTA maybe seek out the proper information yourself before embarrassing yourself with this long post?
Some of these review bombers have like over 200 - 500 h in the game and now gave it a thumbs down it’s so dumb and embarrassing.😭Why the hell did they think that he would attack Black Myth Wukong with his speech. These people are little cry babies. I loved Black Myth Wukong as well and also wished it would have won but the game awards have become an unserious award show anyway.😂Ngl Sven also looked a bit surprised that Astro Bot won.
Maybe he thought Black Myth would win lmao.
Yeah so those reviews are probably from people who saw the mistranslation & took it to heart, still tho - having that many hours one would think they would doublecheck what he actually said.
Real gamers knew Astro bot would win. I’m not going to name drop any UA-camrs as that’s disrespectful. But there were people who predicted this a while ago.
@@DrooledOn that's literally me (its me, im the UA-camr)
@@DrooledOn i still think Wukong was a better game at the end of the day. i don't think that makes me not a real gamer like you're saying, and i respect your opinion on the matter. i'm just glad we had some good ones nominated.
@DrooledOn i mean if goty is based off of votes theres literally like 13 millions more people that played wukong than astrobot if its truly based on votes and most people voted that would mean people voted for astro bot without playing it like bruh the sales numbers dont logic and literally no one talked about astrobot like at all it dropped then we all moved on
When you think about it, its really sad ...
If something like Swen's message can get lost bcs something so trivial as poor translation ... then is there even some hope for change? :(
Um...... alright silly bean, when where you out in real life last time. Mistakes literally happen all the time. And in way more crucial situations. Misunderstandings, too. And why lose all hopelessness over a case where the majority literally did the right call and most people came forward to sort out the problem? Like, what else do you want? Humans so be perfect? 😂
Ditch the doom and gloom. Because no, it's not avoidable that life is messy. But as we can see, plenty can be done to be supportive of people who got into a mess they didn't cause.
BG3 was being review bombed for the Larian Studios CEO dropping straight facts?
Sounds like a temper tantrum from salty people for being called out.
Review bombed for bad Chinese translator.
I will say this about Astrobot winning GOTY.
I was left stunned and couldn’t believe it actually won in the moment. However after letting it sink & actually think about it, the same way BG3 had its impact on the game industry. Astrobot now will as well.
This is a sign that games do not need to be 1000 hours long and cost 1 billion dollars to make anymore.
This is why the games industry is slowly imploding & struggling (amongst other reasons of course).
ah yes, the generic platformer that changed nothing at all will make a change on the industry compared to BG3
dude, please. Look at what you are saying
BG3 has fully become a juggernaut
When did Swen say that sales are not important? The misunderstanding here is beyond stupid!
The morons decide to bombard Larian that worked their asses off over the inept translator. Hold that dumbass accountable.
Blame China.
How is it smart of you to say "when did Swen say...." when that is what people actually did hear him say via the mistake of the translator and when it's more reasonable to think a person said what they said, than to assume that a professional translator messed up 😅.
They didn't have that reaction over nothing. The point is, that people who noticed the problem stepped up to inform their peers and remedy the problem. But it's also normal, that not everyone in a large group would be reached by the correction. Not everyone gets notifications or checks in with things after venting their feelings.
What matters is not, that there was a misunderstanding and some impact, but rather, that damage control worked and many flooded in to react exactly as Swen said: They were aware of the nature of the developers (which isn't a given for each player), asked questions, researched and stepped up to spread awareness.
This isn't a negative event. It's literally a positive outcome and testament to the company's integrity doing the work for them, when something goes wrong!
I've hated Chinese netizens since they forced Kiryu Coco-San into graduation. Especially since it was about a comment on her traffic through Taiwan, which, since the Chinese Internet is effectively sealed off, is the main bottleneck through which Chinese VPN can watch her, meaning they got angry BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN TRAFFIC TO HER.
i really hate twitter.
The water was deeper than that. Bilibili and some local agencies were behind the mobs as they saw the vtubing boom at the time and wanted to push Hololive out of the Chinese market for themselves. Also, It happened after the Sino-USA trade war. Since Coco was born in America, many extreme nationalists saw her as a punching bag and got goaded to join the harassment.
It isn’t Wukong being China’s first triple As so Chinese people are acting extra emotional and xenophobic. They have been like that for god knows how long. Cherish the reasonable fews there while acknowledging how their majority works is the best way to handle them.
not all of them but many of them are those die hard nationalist...they are crazy, If they know you are Japanese or Taiwanese or the like that the CCP said is bad the will do something like this. I guess they really believe in their leaders eh.
BG3 will probably be the only game i ever buy twice because of how player friendly Larian is. I don't feel forced to give them money. I WANT to reward them. (i didn't have a gaming PC when it came out). Larian really does set the bar on how a developer should conduct themselves.
Only twice?
what a complete loo zur. its not even a baldurs gate game. not a single part of it is baldurs gate except the words in the title
@@Blox117Act 3 where you literally are in Baldurs Gate:
@@Rando1481 which happens very late into the game. and is not at all like baldurs gate... and you dont visit but one part of the city. and then they made up a bunch of stuff about balduran out of nowhere. threw in your old companions but they act completely out of character. no real time combat.
yep its divinity os 3
@ fair enoug the town was really small in the game
It's possible also that a lot of these review bombs source of anger was Astrobot, but since it's not on steam they couldn't review bomb it and went to the presenters game instead. It seems clear that most chinese DIDN'T misunderstand the speech.
They didn't "misunderstand", they literally had wrong information. That's a difference. And they refer to the speech, so no, that doesn't hold up.
Not to mention thta frustration over Wukong losing does also not equal being frustrated with Astrobot, when those devs don't choose who wins either.
The thing is there was no shot of the Monkey winning, he would lost to FF or Metaphir... But in the end the game with the bigger score win, what a shocker like almost every year 😅
No matter which game won, all of the nominated games were/are games which are fun and as far as I can tell value the things Sven said in his speech. The thing is, it wasn't about the games at all, but a clear message that he is not standing for the bullshit the gaming industry pulls right now and it WILL get worse, if you see what activision has done in Black Ops 6, feeding the consumer ai slop garbage and don't care because it's not about value and cool things for the gamer, it's just more money for the share holders (companies). I hope... i REALLY hope Larian will value their artist and are able to live off of the money they made from BG3 so they can make other good games without bending to current rules and are keeping their attitude, doing their thing. I don't want to play ai garbage and I certainly dont want to play games where you can feel and see that the company behind just wants to make money and feeding the player garbage like pigs before the slaughter, milking the last drop of money and time out of them.
Yeah, I don't necessarily think he knew exactly who was going to win - only that this rule generally applies to everyone (which I think includes both Team Asobi & Game Science, meaning either of them could have won at the end of the day)
@@MrHulthen true and I guess it was more or less his attempt to tell the big companies attending that people are getting more aware of the fact that there are companies out there who value the costumer and making good games without selling their souls and that's where people should spend their money. I think it's important that he keeps talking about it because I think there will be a lot of problems and even more lay offs coming, since game companies are implementing more and more ai garbage and companies and people like Sven, as you said, need to be protected at all costs.
Luddite 🤡
What are they smoking, his speech has nothing to do with Black Myth Wukong LMAO
You see, China is one of those cultures where it is particularly part of the culture to say things without saying things. As a result, overthinking and seeing references where none were made, are more likely to happen.
But also: they did not react completely unreasonably either. They had a reaction to a wrong translation and "your money doesn't matter to us" can be a particularly jarring statement in a country that really has people compete for dear life 🫤. It's a reflection of theie lived reality. And also a reflection on how outsourcing the power of individuals can have entitlement spiral out of proportion. As people fall into a "I didn't give up my rights/resources for you to fail me" attitude, as they forget that they wouldn't be safe of failure even if they were in charge 😅.
They are systemicly taught that failure is not acceptable and are given no tools to process failure in a healthy manner. You see similar things in every country. It's just that the proportion of population that differs and what degree ofpower such groups can or cannot obtain.
@@KxNOxUTA That is NOT what was said. For one, saying sales doesn't matter is not particularly egregious unless you have your nose shoved up the corporate taint. Second, the review bombs were making a HUGE stretch from that, to OH MY GOD THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT BLACK MYTH WUKONG! And news flash, that game isn't exactly revolutionary OR groundbreaking. It's okay, but it's basically Sekeiro meets Dynasty Warriors. A fun mix of things, but nothing that would be game of the year material, nothing innovative at all.
What is it about people nowadays giving people backlash for WANTING TO BE TREATED WITH BASIC RESPECT AND COMPASSION 😢
The message from our dear Sven is completely independent of who won the GOTY. Some people are not used to non-corporate speeches and completely missed the point.
When are gamers NOT angry? I pretty much tune them all out now. They're like little toddlers with zero impulse control, stamping their little feet. So pathetic.
Pretty accurate description. I think many people, not just gamers, have an addiction to raging on social media. Being in the gamer sphere we do get to see more game related rage sadly. They'll find whatever is currently the thing their echo chamber of choice is raging about and do the same. Kinda sad. I tend to just ignore the stuff I'm not interested in, it's not very difficult 😅
@@puddingway9231 But it seems as though some gamers have a massive sense of entitlement too...
TBH, and correct me if I'm wrong because I try to avoid this kind of drama, this is the first time I've noticed chinese fans go ape (pun completely intended) over Wukong. Until the awards all I saw was Western fans who had decided it's their culture war game and were going to seethe and erupt if it didn't win GOTY. I haven't played Wukong yet (will eventually - maybe I'll buy it to play over Christmas break!) but I thought Astro Bot was fantastic and representative of how fun games can be and IMO deserved the win. And it's wild that a mistranslation has done this - Swen was literally saying the fact Wukong (and the other games) were in the running for the big prize meant the devs had done the right thing and made the right choices. 😄
@@FistOfFiori yeah I think Swen essentially knew it could be either of them but that no matter what, the rule will still apply
I thought wukong was severely over hyped and rated.
That and hating on Playstation is the IN thing at the moment so a Playstation game winning GOTY has made Astro a target for these people
@@KeyBladeMaster-Danngl PlayStation was a mess for most of this generation so I can understand where the hate comes from.
@@LamiaLover Oh believe me I get that as a life long fan they've annoyed me this gen but I feel like it's gotten to a point of ridiculousness. Like people are acting like Playstation is the Devil incarnate and it's getting kind of stupid like even when they do something good people go after them like this game or like that thing where one company does something and no one bats an eye but when Playstation does the same "oh look see Playstation's evil they hate and and everything REEEEEE!!!!". Ragging on them when they mess up is fine but these days again it seems like everyone has just decided thing bad must hate y'know
Ima go review bomb Wukong now cause i can't speak Mandarin
Already done it lmao
In their defence, they trust the translations, so while their behaviour is foolish, its realistically the fault of the people who translated.
@@adventofknowledge No.
don't replicate this idiotic behaviour. Wukong doesn't deserve this.
i wish people wouldn't take shoddy translations to heart. or at least research the topic, damn.
Then you're no better than them
What a shame, I was thinking of playing Wukong cuz I thought it is a good game, I still do think so, but these review bombs from the Chinese leave a bad taste in my mouth and I'm kinda now not even willing to give the game a try at all. :/
Why tf would u let ppl u don't even know their names affect a choice you wanna make? That's stupid
That is such a nonsensical reason. Do you think the review bombers have developed Wukong, or why wouldn't you want to play the game now?
I think it’s a bad reason but if you play on ps5 you can buy ps plus premium and test it for 2 hours
@@targor9649 bad news, the dev himself had a similar reaction
Wukkng is Chinese Propaganda and the devs are some Shitty people. It is a good Game but it's no coincidence that People that are angry it lost are crazy incels that see China over everything. The Western youtubers that Support this are chinese puppets paid to create a culture war in foreign countries. While i liked the game I realised something is batshit crazy with the community and now I know what it is. The game isn't worth the shit that surrounds it
Seeing them seethe over their mid and overrated chinatown chimp souls game losing to a kid's game fills me with joy. BG3 also received a spike of positive reviews recently, so their piddly attempt at negative review bombing barely put a dent on BG3's recent and overall rating. Steam also fairly recently implemented protections against sudden spikes of negative reviews so it was futile to begin with.
I think "the evil line" means the options for playing evil, as in the evil (player) story line. They are criticizing the third act and the evil endings, which was a common refrain at launch, when those were the least polished elements that have since been significantly expanded.
Still no fully evil storyline and Larian was very obnoxious and condescending in their initial response to players asking about an evil playthrough. They outright said that everyone who wanted to play an evil character was a heckin evil chud IRL (rich coming from a studio that carefully and painstakingly modeled the player character ****ing a bear!). I honestly agree with that reviewer that the third act is painfully slow and the evil playthrough is badly implemented.
Sounds like a mistranslation. I wish I could send a reliable message to these guys to let them know the focus was more on things like Ubisoft rather then Wukong.
I think people can agree that Wukong wasn't included in Swen's speech
Did they think that Sven CHOSE the GOTY? LOL
“Try again”
(Drops Halbert).
Dm: "ok, roll to review bomb."
Review bombers: "Rolls nat 1"
... Ok, Im off to go leave a positive review. Just because I can.
Man, what snowflakes.
just type in global chat "June 5th, 1989. Tiananmen Square." and laugh as every Chinese player gets disconnected.
classic
Man I wish I had an employer like Sven.
the wu kong folk should stick to rolling around and smashing buttons.
Instead of uniting against corporations, gamers are trying to divide each other. SMH
Husband and I have already agreed: Anything Larian touches, we're buying. Even before we know what genre or what it's about. They slayed with Divinity, but they really knocked it out of the park with BG3, and set the bar for other devs.
The creativity and standards of larian is what I aspire to.
it was a fantastic speech and shows you how awesome Sven and Larian studios is
I happen to be wearing a full suit of armor as i type this.
I remember gamers had a bit of a bad rep , especially during the WoW era when it was huge (see South Park episode for what most people thought gamers were). Then everyone was gaming, probably thanks to things like GTA and so on. Now gamers were seen as normal. No different to someone who reads or watches TV or films. Then social media took off, people became reclusive, stopped interacting with humans, stopped dating, became extraordinarily weird as a result and then projected their weirdness onto the internet and now we all look like a gang of weirdos because a few incel nonces keep coming out with and doing weird things around video games
There might have been something lost in translation or something, I don't see how a large part of a language demographic reached this conclusion otherwise
The Chinese casually starting to fight against windmills.
ironically, the point he was making is perfectly in line with what Black Myth did.
It was the most based speech at tga
Sanity has left the chat..Are we even aware we are talking about different genres here? Platformer, western RPG and Souls like? To me for example Black Myth would have never been Game of the year because I despise souls like games. But I wouldn't mind if it would win. I don't mind Astrobot winning , even though I will never play it...I have my own opinions and most importantly the fun I am having out of a game does not depend on awards or other's opinion..The important thing is that all of the games nominated are GOOD for different reasons, providing quality content for their respective playerbase...Can we just continue playing games we like , no matter what others think and have...FUN ? 😀
I'll take Balders Gate 3 since I played 1 and 2 back in the day 😊😊
I have to admit that last year when BG3 won game of the year I was pretty upset that it wasn't the game I was most happy with and complained about it privately, but I barely played the game and only found out very recently after trying it again that because I never played the game solo that I was never immersed and combat was the only thing that was exciting.
Taking my time to play it now and finding it a much better experience, and also hearing that speech was exactly what I needed to hear.
Too much negativity in the world and too many people spreading the toxicity everywhere, its hard to just enjoy good games nowadays without someone saying you're wrong.
I’ve met people who genuinely fucking hate baldur’s gate, but they would never tell you it’s not a well made game. The reality is that we all like different things, doesn’t mean those things are bad…
Angry (and stupid) nationalism just does not stop at games.
For a country that claims to be so strong a independent, a lot of Chinese gamers have an ego with the fragility of an egg shell. Crazy how insecure they get over games that aren't even being talked about.
Hey! That's not true!
Eggshells can support the weight of an entire bird sitting on them, that's way less fragile than the egos in question :3
0:27 WOAAAAAAAAAAAH that's an awesome character wtf????
Mods
It's just a lady in a bikini, nothing awesome about it. A lady in full plate armor and actual gear? Different story
Imagine using your platform to try and improve things for game developers and the people who play them. Truly a horrible, unforgivable crime!
Including the J.K. Simmons laugh was perfect (since he's in BG3). *chef kiss
I'm not sure it's a good idea to expose himself like that, even though I love what he said, a lot of people in the gaming industry will try to destroy him now... we should take real care of larian after this, we should support them even if they make mistakes. The china thing is a bad translation problem there is not much else there.
So....Chinese players made because they can't speak English?
I'm not bashing themjust trying to understand.
It's like being mad at an anime plot because the sub/dub translator didn't do their job correctly and you (just like me) don't understand Japanese enough to watch it in it's native language.
These people are barely sentient. I’m so glad that they let the world know that they would rather keep rimming their corporate overlords than actually seeing good products come to market.
Tbf they're chinese. Being barely sentient is a core part of their being.
The thing is that his speech aligns with what Wukong and his own game so hard. Kinda funny that this happened over a mistranslation.
I suppose that there must have been a language barrier issue because it is very hard to imagine misunderstanding what Vincke said.
Just wanted to point out something obvious with Sven's speech that so many seem to be casually ignoring, when it's actually extremely important: He's talking from a position of very high privilege. Larian is simultaneously an independent company who can mostly "do what they want" while now having the resources to produce AAA games. They are now in this position because they frequently took a lot of MASSIVE gambles that just so happened to pay off.
The vast majority of developers are not in this position, so preaching "make good games first, don't worry about checklists" is extremely hollow when those developers answer to their corporate overlords. Developers who have to pay the bills are not able to just "do whatever" and hope it works.
If you are not Larian, CDPR, to a lesser extent Valve, or a tiny indie group that wants to spend ten years on a project you won't be able to simply exclude all of the outside pressure no matter how much you might want to. This was much less of a problem before 2008 or so when gaming blew up everywhere. Prior to that, publishers were allowing more risks and more innovation to take place.
We don't live in that world anymore thanks to stupidly inflated budget costs and an insistence to "play it safe".
prolly why Swen was talking to the corporate overlords, not the gamedevs.
@@Tenderleaf Not sure how that could be the takeaway when the overlords aren't who are the ones developing the game, and he was specifically talking about making games you would want to play yourself.
@@Neonmirrorblack they are the ones however that hire the devs, put the pressure on them, treat them like sh*t, force them to work on bad games, etc etc etc.
You do realize that larian wasn't that big and they took the risk because they have morals and those are more impotent to them then making money.
@@sakutaro3musik486 Yes I realize that...funny how I even mentioned it!
swen is keanu level of wholesome
TLDR: its a mistranslation
Somewhat full circle with Wukong getting a bad review due to poor translation and now this review bomb due to bad translation.
The fact that nearly all of the bad reviews in that lump are in Chinese tells me that the Chinese translation of the speech was probably misinterpreted, mistranslated or misrepresented, depending on how purposeful you imagine it to be.
The Astro Bot developers were tasked with creating a tech demo to showcase the fancy new controller that came with the PS5. You, I, and 99% of other people on the planet would have probably just phoned it in, made something functional, and called it a day. But instead, they put so much effort into it that people wanted a sequel to what was essentially a tech demo. And when they made that sequel, they didn’t just match their already unnecessarily exceptional quality-they exceeded it in every way.
They didn’t have to do this. Sony had already paid them, and they were never going to break sales records being permanently restricted to one platform, seen as a glorified ad in a genre where no one but Nintendo has made a successful game in around 30 years-a lot like making a CRPG in 2023.
By comparison, Wu Kong is a great game, but it’s another entry in a long line of action-combat Souls-like games. It may be the best on that list in terms of quality, but it’s not meaningfully different.
I don’t know what makes a GOTY, but if we go by what Sven said in his speech, I think Astro Bot is closer to those ideals.
Astro Bot is missing that one thing all worthy of Game of the year have. A unanimous stamp of approval from the majority of gamers, specifically to thos new to that certain genre. Astro Bot didn't made enough wave like ER of BG3 did. Like hell Palworld made more wave in bigger gaming sphere. This line up is just wrong to begin with. Curse those Journo votes man and specially Geoff.
@@JikuriNah we saw what the peoples voice wouldve voted for, it was 3/5 gatcha games.
@@Jikuri what do you mean Astro Bot didn't get a stamp of approval? It's literally the highest rated game of the year
@Zarath0sThanat0s I mean the "Brought a new PC to play ER pr BG3" type of hype and approval
@@crazybeatrice4555 not too mention the fact that the people's voice award exists if game of the year was purely based on votes the two awards would be identical
yo what armor is that on karlach at 6:56
It's a mod
Basket full of equipment on nexus. There's alt mods for it so it's just camp clothing and not regular armor so you can have good armor and drip
People are always saying things are review bombed...like the acolyte, but THIS is what actual review bombing looks like
The Acolyte was review bombed.
@@Johnspartan296 no it wasn't. It was a dogshit show and that fact was agreed upon by everyone who watched it.
@mongooze3168 Buddy, it was review bombed so much that people ended up review bombing something else called Acolyte because they never even watched it and didn't know which was which. Just because it's review bombing that you happen to agree with, doesn't mean it isn't review bombing.
@@mongooze3168 Review bombing is when a bunch people who haven't seen it come in and leave bad reviews on it (often for reasons outside the purview of the quality of the show ie women of color in it). That happened with the Acolyte.
I finally got around to playing DOS2 recently. It's been in my library since 2017, and I simply don't want to spend $60 on a video game right now (holiday season and all). I've been getting more and more interested in TTRPGs and figured a good CRPG might provide a good fix for me. Since I already had it my Steam library I figured I'd give it a whirl.
I've put in a about 14 hours so far, and I can already tell that Larian really wanted to make a fun game. It's not super flashy, graphics looks dated even for 2017, and it feels like it lacks a little polish around the edges. But it's been really engaging. There's almost always something to do, and I have no idea what I'm going to stumble into next. And I'm never bored for too long. Right when I start to feel bored, something happens to regain my attention.
If BG3 is anything like DOS2, in terms of the love and care put into its development by Larian, then I can't wait to finish my run of DOS2 and jump right into BG3. We need more developers and publishers to make games for the love of making games and not purely to turn a profit.
Some CEOs are at the risk of getting cookies and backrubs from masked assaillants in the street.
always knew wukong was ass
This is Spider-man 2 and GOWR GOTY situation all over again. I swear
I know some people who won't let the fact spider man 2 lost to bg3 go hell I get people mad at me a ( mostly PlayStation player) for preferring bg3 over spider man 2
Isn't is a BIG coincidence that the community that rags on "review bombing" when it comes to negative reviews against things THEY like....will then ACTUALLY review bomb a game that 90% of then never played?!?
This, plus the recent CEO lead allergy thing, is putting to light how shareholder corporations are actually the thing ruining our entire world.
Unfortunate language barrier and toxic fans moment. Sadly toxic players exist all over the globe but you have to ignore them regardless of where they come from.