Patch-up repair on lath & plaster walls [Video
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Slight change of direction in this video where I try a technique for a quick & dirty #repair on a blown #lath & #plaster wall. Enjoy!
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Yes please, Peter. I would like to see your other DIY work. While I'm watching it I can put off all my own DIY! 👍
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Im a plasterer not a skimmer. I always enjoy seeing non plasterers approach to dealing with plaster. This gentlemen did a good job.
Thank you! Very much appreciated; I’m just happy when it stays on the wall! 😂👍
thanks Pete.very helpful
Well done Peter. It gives me great pleasure to watch your facial expressions when you do jobs you don’t relish!
Haha, something I have little/no control over! 😂👍👍🤷♂️
Yes Peter definitely would like to see. Always good to see how you tackle different tasks.
Thanks! 👍👍
Surprisingly helpful, particularly as I too live in a Victorian house, with some very dodgy plaster issues. Thanks, Peter.
Cheers Greg! Best of luck with your walls! 👍👍
happy to watch anything woodworking or DIY we are all here to learn
Thanks! 👍
Enjoyed video. Great to see someone else besides me doing this kind of stuff.
Thank you! 👍
Very interesting, nice to see a mix up in the usual videos.
Thanks! 👍👍
Loving these DIY home fixes, keep the coming Peter really would enjoy this.
Thanks, glad to hear it! There’s a few more of these to come along the way. 👍👍
Hi Peter. Thanks for the really instructional video. I will take the unspoken credit for inspiring you with my question to the podcast last year. ;) I still have lots of this exact thing to do, which I have been putting off thanks to Andy's doom-mongering around the mess it would make.
Ah, thank you! I spoke to Andy today, and neither of us could put our hands on who asked the question! Without your question I wouldn’t have looked at the video, or thought about how it could be done, so thanks very much - and Imm happy to day it works! 😂👍👍
Nice one Peter. I found it interesting! Please keep them coming.
Thanks Richard! Will do! 👍👍
I like to watch things get fixed.
Nice little repair Peter,hope you decide to post more of your home repair work!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Cheers Alan! There may be one or two other bridges in the horizon, yes! 😆👍😂😂
years ago before pu adhesive I used to drill holes and then squirt in high expanding foam to stabilise the wall before repairs, you gotta love that sticky stuff
Always! I think PU is a bit more more controlled - or maybe expanding foam is less controlled, lol! 👍👍
Watching you work reminds me of my first head chef.
He could do a days graft of 300+ covers and still have the ironed creases in his pants.
I on the other hand can do half as many and look like a testing menu.
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I am a *big* fan of this DIY-style video. Record away!
Thanks Frank! 👍👍
keep on keeping on , enjoying your content whatever it is, away's done well.
Thank you! 👍
One thing I do not miss at all is lathe and plaster walls. I've repaired way too many of those (for someone who is not in the business). Plaster over brick is annoying, but compared to "you looked at it, now it's falling off the wall"... nup.
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Go for it Peter I an always happy to pickup hints and tips for my own DIY. :-)
Cheers Paul!
When the title mentioned "plaster' I thought we might be on for another Tarantino hand plane epic. ... Broken laths and lime & horsehair plaster is the pits
Nice job complete there Peter, Had a similar job on an old kitchen outside wall but I used expanding foam judiciously worked really well and warmed up the wall no end :)
Thanks Graham! Ooo, hadn’t thought of the insulating properties of the foam! 👍👍
I did the same with a ceiling. Injected PVA but gave up with the idea. No PU used and just used loads of screws directly through the plaster and left them in before filling.
I do like the quilts your OH is making. My brothers partner makes quilts out of crochet hexagonals.
Thanks! I’ll be sure to tell her 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop www.ravelry.com/designers/sally-harding
Good stuff. It'd be funny if the "handy" man that did the last job watched this one. Cheers, David
Haha! It would A though I suspect they’re ling gone. 👍
Very interesting. Nice finish too. Puts my lath and plaster repairs to shame. More in a similar vein would be good.
Thanks Nico! 👍👍
Peter, before you bothered with the filler, it had that trendy look...er not so much distressed as "war-zone" complete with machine-gun bullet holes, I'm sure it could catch on.
By the way that British Gypsum Easi-Fill will last for weeks if you knock it up and store it in a sealed container, great stuff.
Haha, all the rage here in W12! Good to know about the easy fill long storage too, thanks! 👍
That was a timely video Peter, I was wondering what to use to patch up around a door frame I've replaced. Will have a look for some Easy On locally.
Or Easyfill, does the job nicely. And thanks! 👍
Diy videos would be good !!
I have no idea how you got those screws in without an impact driver?? 😂😂. I will be honest I am team Andy currently.
An impact driver would have the whole wall down! 😂 👍👍
Phillips screws i hope 🤣 andy would be impressed
On another note i once did a similar repair in a local hotel still there to this day only 14 years ago🤣
😂 Wow, not expecting this to lay that long! 🤔
Haha...very nice. As a decorator it was a little different from my way but the results were good all the same. 👍👍
Thanks! How would you do it, out of interest? This was a kind of follow on from a question on the podcast, and I was keen to try out the approach! 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop various ways, would probably remove more material, then use a thin bit of plaster board or backing plaster, then skim. I have use a similar method to yours with expanding foam though for small areas. No real right or wrong way, the result that matters.
Thanks! Just curious how the pro’s would do it! 👍👍
You should wear a respirator during your sanding, even if you have a great and efficient vacuum the sanding produces fine dust which is harmfull.
I'd like to see the other DIY jobs. I might learn something.
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As a Londoner myself with a 1920's house this reminds me of a job I did on one of my walls . Well done Peter nice finish as well
Thanks! 👍👍
I’m a plasterer with over 20 years experience and this is exactly how I do repairs on L&P walls and ceilings.
P.S THANKS for the advice on the concealed hinges Peter
Ah, that’s really good to know, thanks! And glad to hear the hinge advice helped! 👍👍
I was about to ask can the same be done on ceilings, as I have a few spots to do, so thanks. Very good instructional video Peter 👌
could you list your products under your video so we know what to buy? I know what PVA is but not sure what filler you used. Wood filler in plaster holes?
Thanks for taking the time to comment. All products used are listed in the "Used/featured in this video" section in the video description. At 6.51 I say "I'm using a product called EasyFill, it's a bit like a cross between a plaster and filler, and is used a lot here as a drywall compound or 'mud' as our American cousins might call it..." and links are provided to this, and everything else used. 👍
Peter, I wish the internet had been around 25 years ago when I had this exact problem. When tapping the wall it sounds like a hollow drum as the plaster has lifted away from the wall.
That’s the one; don’t tap too hard! 😱👍
No other phrase in the English language induces the heebie jeebies quite like "lath and plaster"!
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And few things clog up your shower drain like the clean up after ripping down lath and plaster ceilings!
can this plaster and lath contain asbestos? old layers of lead paint?
Given it's from the 1880s asbestos is unlikely, and lead paint wasn't generally used as a wall finishing - though I'm sure there are all kinds of other nastiness in there! I certainly wouldn't consider carrying out work without excellent dust extraction and / or full PPE. 👍
Surely that beautiful straight edge should be in a dust free glass display cabinet! Good use of the PU adhesive and a really good result. Thanks for the ideas.
Pah! Every working tool - has to earn its keep! 😂👍
Nice level. Never seen one like that.?
That one’s an Evo level from Superior Levels - see video #358 (give-away is finished, but the info’s good)👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks for the info. 👍
"In the 10 minute workshop, where a 10 minute fix is never quite 10 minutes.."? :)
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And when we charge the customer £50 for repairs like that they think it’s dear
Haha, exactly! 👍👍
A lot more than 50 notes for that job,
If you're charging 50 quid for that job you are on the path to insolvency. A more realistic low-ball price is 200.
Hi Peter most enjoyable crack on lol
Steve
Haha, thanks! 😂😂👍👍
Great tutorial. I have done this myself and following this saves you from learning the hard way. Well done
graham stephan is a patreon supporter?!
Good job with some interesting ideas. If you want a truly flat wall I believe you have to demolish the house and start again* and even then it isn't guaranteed so fairly flat is good enough.
Very true! 👍
In the today's video, Peter gets plastered.
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I don’t miss these types of jobs! 😂
Enjoy your weekend Peter.
Thanks Thomas! 👍
As an Aussie child of the 80s, I've never seen a wall like this before. Is it just a gypsum compound squished into the timber batttons?
Basically, yes. Internal walls in Victorian houses were made from studwork (4x2" but often less) covered with thin strips (laths) of wood, then plastered over. Very common in these period properties. 👍
Are there rules and regulations in place to prevent you gutting it all out and replacing the studwork and gyprocking it? Or is this not done in the older homes?
I be got to ask, how do you say bath, being a southerner? Cos I know there isn't an r in there but even so.......
Well I’m from Liverpool so I say bath the same as anyone. 🤷♂️👍
Not to hurt anyone's feelings but do you're clients know your from Liverpool? I know, I'm not pc 🥺😃
Really useful and easy to understand. Thanks, looking forward to more tips!
Brilliant job, I'll watch anything from you and home DIY even more so.
Great, thanks! 👍👍
What's that sander with the vacuum attached called?
It’s an old Festool ETS 150/5 random orbital, attached to a Festool CY SYS vac. 👍👍
Nice job - brings back dark memories for me. My first house was turn of the century and every room in the house was a nightmare when it came to decorating, be it steaming and scraping off 6 or 7 layers of wallpaper all nicely sealed with 'anaglypta', or patch repairing walls - but some were beyond that as the plasterwork just crumbled to the floor. The missus would say - how long do you think this room will take - about 2 weeks but only after we have repaired whatever SNAFUs we uncover.
Thanks Norman. Ah, yes - I know that kind of wall all too well! Glad they’re (mostly) begins us now!
If there's one name I would not want to be known as by my wife, it's Mr. Ten Minutes...
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We have an 1869 home in Southern Indiana. Lots of plaster. This was handy to know. Thanks.
It’s always an education watching your working methods Peter, so thanks for filming the process!
Also, well worth reading through the comments for other experts suggestions 👍
I didn’t spot the level you used in the list, it looks a quality piece of kit!?
Thanks Dave! My mistake re the level - I’ll sort that out tomorrow. It’s be Superior Levels, their new Evo range- see video #358 for more info ua-cam.com/video/JbHadWFBPSM/v-deo.html - sorry, but the giveaway has finished, just FYI. 👍👍
Does that Festool ETS 150 catch all the easi fill dust? I'm looking for a multipurpose sander that will be good for decorating. Cheers.
A lot will depend on the extractor, and I don't think any sander/extractor combo can really catch 'all' the dust, but yes, the dust collection on this is very very good. 👍
you are such a gentleman artsman .....greetings to you from Bavaria in Germany.
Thank you! And greetings from London! 👍
Nicely done! That old wood lath can be difficult to cover evenly. I have never seen the idea of injecting glue to hold the plaster against the lath. Seemed to work well. Thanks Peter!
Yes, I thought the inevitable dust would be the issue, but it seemed to grab pretty well. 👍
👍👍👍👍 Jobs for Mrs 10 Minutes, go for it.
BTW doesn't hurt to put some fibres in the first fill, poly fibres for concrete works well and it's cheap or larger areas the glass mesh. Best of all a happy Mrs10M😇😇😇
Thanks Clive, good tip re the fibres! 👍👍
Similar way to big wallys plaster magic repair kit method
Pretty close to what I do at work Peter. I put polythene under the washers though, because I don't like to have any kind of impact on lath and plaster, every bang risks breaking off another key/nib somewhere.
Most times these days I just brace the area using long 'quick adjustable poles' and bits of scrap wood instead of screws and washers (definitely need polythene then, or you'd never get the wood off lol!).
All the best for 2022 :-)
Wait, do you really want to be known as "Mr. 10 minute"? :p
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Better mr 1 minute
Everything I've read about the ctl not working properly on forums talks about sanding plaster. Could that be the reason for the funny noise you were getting? Don't know why it's only on the auto start though.
Possibly Matthew, yes. Odd that it’s intermittent though?? 🤷♂️👍
No mask!!!! Great video
Mask work for mixing, total faith in my dust extraction for sanding. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Ive seen the videos 😎😎
I've got Edwardian plaster and lathe walls that chunks of plaster has fallen off. Do you have any advice to repair these holes. Unfortunately replacing the walls or totally replastering isn't an option at present. Thanks
Thanks. This entire video is about that exact process, including links in the description to the products used. 👍
You shouldn't drywall over that, it's not very difficult to patch plaster if you get a product like USG Structo-lite and use a plaster bonding agent like Plaster Weld. I'm sure in the UK they have different products but you basically want a lightweight plaster (not a drywall compound) and a bonding agent which gets painted on. You generally don't want to use water on the surface anymore that's the old school method and if you do that you are only relying on the plaster holding by "mushrooming" behind the lathe with the bonding agent you get bonding to the surface of the lathe as well. Plaster is actually a much stronger finish than drywall and if done with care won't actually need sanding because you can feather it into the existing wall if you mix it thin enough or use a finish plaster. Check out: Kirk Giordano plastering Inc. on youtube he has great videos on it.
Here, across the pond, apparently we have very similar technology, many houses from that era suffering the same fate. As a Home Inspector for buyers, this is something I know a thing or two about. The plaster never did and was not intended to bond to the lathes. It was pressed through them and curled around the back, forming "keys". The lathes expand and contract with seasonal changes in humidity and the plaster loses whatever grip it might have had and the keys hold it in place. Over time they fail and break off, especially on ceilings. Some people use the repair washers and then plaster over them. Some people rip out the loose plaster, leaving the lathes, and drywall over them or use drywall to make patches. They glue and screw it to the lathes. There is even a fiberglass reinforced type of drywall (blueboard) made to screw over the existing plaster. The problem is, if you cover a lot of area you add a LOT of weight to the house and may cause settling. I'll stop now. You did a good job.
Very well done Peter , our own houses are always last on the to do list .
Thanks Pat! And yes, always! 👍👍
Not just Americans call it mud, us Canadians call it mud too. Geographical reason is my guess!
Good to know, thanks! 👍👍
Peter Plaster Blaster ,is that the wifes laundry basket your usein there ,you didnt want to keep that vacuum anyway rite ,i wet sand drywall work no mus no fus and no dead vac ,dry wall /plaster dust destroys there bearings
All full sealed, Syd - or so they say! 🤷♂️👍
The Godfather of the quick fix. Always exactly what I need when I just want to get it done without a giant drama. Thank you
A fine finish sponge float is perfect for blending repairs like this. Often times you don’t need to sand.
Well done!! This was great!
Loving the '10 minute workshop' title - a nice size bite... Thank you for sharing!
Good repair, lathe and plaster and lime plaster in general is the bane of my life. I'm not proud of this but I once stabilised a whole lathe and plaster wall with expanding foam. A decade later it's still going great.
Haha, yes, I wondered about expanding foam, but figured PU was a little more predictable... 🤷♂️👍
Lath ......should be lime plaster not gypsum
Tell that to the Victorian builders who threw the place together back in the day. And the numpties in the 60s who hacked it up. And again in the 70s, 80s and 90s etc... 🤷♂️
Please show all your jobs. It's always very useful.
Thanks for all your good videos.
Well done Peter, you may need to give up the day job.
Wait, I have a day job?? 😂👍
A word of warning sanding old lath and plaster - it used to be made with horsehair and could contain anthrax spores. Facemasks are a must.
Also, it is not always the plaster that separates from the laths, but the iron nails holding the lathes to the beams rusting through and the laths springing off the wall.
That integrated seal feature on the Festool bag is #kisses fingers
Yep, sure is! 👍👍
That was handy, thanks
Great repair never seen that done before - but I would of thought just quickly taking down the old plaster then plaster boarding it up and a skim would be just as quick and a better solution? Although cost materials more
Occupied room in an occupied house - couldn’t take the mess of 130+ years of much & rubbish! Also there are some high-level fitted shelves on these walls, and I wouldn’t want to mess them up.
Peter Millard ahh fair Peter recently had a similar issue at my property and just knocked it all back to L&P but might try this solution if in an awkward place bound to create problems with furnishings etc
Happy wife, happy life 🤷♂️👍👍
Hello cousin Peter! Hope all is well on your side of the pond. I quite enjoyed watching this particular DIY video. On this side of the pond they would have instructed to tear everything out except the front door then build up around it. Take care my friend.
It crossed my mind! 😂 Best wishes from London. 👍
You can also use expanding foam instead of glue
It can expand a bit too much though. PU is a bit more predictable. 👍
Fantastic logical job!!
Lathe and plaster, one of worst remnants of building practice in history!
Thumbs up.
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Hello Peter
Would this adhesive work if it's brick behind the plaster thank youu
As long as you can get a relatively dust free connection, then I don’t see why not. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop would the hard wall screws connect into the brick like they do the lath
@@10MinuteWorkshop would the hard wall screws connect into the brick like they do the lath
Do you think using a hybrid polymer adhesive like Stixall would work great for long-lasting results? Have a ceiling with some light cracking and figured if a sealant that breaks everything else before it breaks would probably work great at resisting future lath expansion etc.
Probably - but the reason I used PU was that it foams up a little before setting , making it good for blown plaster. You might have to pump in a fair bit more polymer adhesive to be sure you get a good fix. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Gave it a try. Boy, that sucked. Doing it on a ceiling is annoying with all the crap falling down onto your face, and shoddy laths that quickly lose thread on the washers, etc.
So I ended up switching to Pinkgrip solvent free. Main reason is I have a ton of holes to do over the whole ceiling (it's not completely blown, just come loose and pushes up a little in places due to how old it is). Since I'm up here I may as well as do it right so the cracks don't come back even if I'm going to lining paper it after.
Anyway, after going through the tube of stixall fairly quickly I realised I would need something good enough but cost effective. Looked at your PU glue but that's like £7 a tube and even if it expands a little I'd probably be buying a fair bit, whereas Pinkgrip is less than £3 a tube for a lot of it!
Just hope that the Pinkgrip will actually do the job as well! Any experience with that particular adhesive?
For what it's worth, I looked up how well PU adhesive does with gaps, and it seems incredibly poorly - no strength at all as it just ends up air bubbles. So I guess in the case of a ceiling it's probably better to go with dedicated gap filler adhesives after all.
My Victorian House is full of Lath & blown plaster. It nice to see its not just my house. I am thinking of plaster boarding over the whole lot walls and Ceiling. But great video if I need to do a small repair. Thanks
Yes, that’s one option - find the studs and board over. You can hit snags at doorways /linings though. 👍👍
What's the caulking adhesive you used? It's not listed.
The adhesive is in the. video description - Everbuild Lumberjack 5-minute PU - amzn.to/2rSAAMn (US: nope) - and without watching the vid again I’m not sure if O used caulk, but if I did it would have been generic 1-hour caulk from a decorators merchant. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks for the reply. I can't get this product where I live but I guess as long as it's Polyurethane Wood Glue it should work.
Great job peter. Think expanding foam would have done job. I have fitted all my interior door linings in my 100 yr old bungalow with expanding foam as bricks were loose when taking out old linings. Plus used expanding foam to do same repairs as yourself. 👋👌
Yes, indeed; you need to be a bit more careful because it expands a long way - and takes longer to set, of course. Plus, I had some PU 🤷♂️👍.
You mean the Doctor could have fixed that crack in time with some glue and a few screws, Who new 🤪. I am glad I don’t live in a place old enough to have plaster and lathe. Nice tutorial and nice looking repair👍
Well, he could have fixed it, but not wound back time 😂 Thanks, worked out OK, this one. 👍
I'm in the process of tearing down a lathe and plaster bedroom wall and reboarding it, this is bedroom 3! Made more sense when I weighed up all the patching work required! ...wish me luck!
Good luck! Yes I agree - full strip out and re-board is beat, but wasn’t going to happen with this one! 🤷♂️👍
Well done sir, I just subscribed to your channel. Quick question, you don’t use mesh tape on that seam where you filled up? Great video!!
Thanks, and welcome! No, not on a seam like this. If it was more regular I would, but it’s so uneven and the plaster/filler so thick (and ultimately hidden) it would be more trouble that it’s worth IMHO. 👍
Yes please Peter on similar videos, this was very interesting. Knew nothing about that type of wall. Never heard of the product you use have a couple of jobs that will use that.
Thanks! I’ve dealt with this kind of wall all too often! 🤷♂️👍
I had to do a similar repair and it came out pretty nice. Surprised myself. I had other work done later in the room and the guy working on the wall said he could see my repair. Too bad my repair was on the opposite wall and the one he was working on was the original wall. But I agreed it looked like someone botched it. I would really like to see more of the DIY work you do. It's always nice to see someone else's approach. Well done.
Thanks Jim! 👍👍
Excellent Video thanks Peter. I did this repair on the ceiling and slanted wall in the under stairs convenience. Absolutely rock solid but my plastering skills leave a lot to be desired!! Pu adhesive was a awesome bit of kit but made a mess and I would definitely recommend gloves!
Cheers Aby! Yes, PU is amazing stuff, but horrible on hands! 👍👍
How is it your clothes still look clean are they Teflon coated. I had to repair a lath and plaster ceiling where my apprentice had put his foot through it when his foot slipped. I used one coat plaster and when I had finished you couldn’t see the repair. I was taught to use a good smoothing trowel with a splash of water to help polish the plaster.
Shirt was Ok, but theme trousers were filthy! 👍👍
Very cool, always enjoy your videos. :) Festool dust collection really works well for plaster dust.
Thanks! Yes, it’s very effective! 👍👍