Man I remember when this thing was the absolute cream of top tier back in the day. 2015, just before they added the Hunter and then later the MiG-17, the CL-13 was the fastest. How times change.
The A model was only so good because match maker would have russian mig plus german Sabres against american Sabres. Sabre plus mig vs sabre was just totally unfair
I used to be really afraid of this thing. When I would fly the Hunter F1, I could never beat them in a fight. Now I just watch them get blown from the sky by all the mach 2 supersonics with 4+ AAMs...
"the CL13B is a preferctly cappable plane if your ennemies are crap" sounds like me getting the M18 out for a ride in a 11.0 battle and getting 5 kills because people have the attention span of a duck
The 13B is a really good plane but it outperforms most F86 contemporaries like the Mig17, it's kinda the same to the P51H that shits on Ki84s, K4, Ta152 but it has some trouble fighting coordinated jets. These planes that are super version of a base plane are really hard to balance
This is the reason why i have developed the unhealthy habit of checking the enemy teams statcards. People who play this game longer have a lot more patience than newer players. Players with 30-40 days+ in airrb are in 90% of all cases going to sideclimb and are even just because of that much harder to kill. They also know their planes much better and play to their strengths. Newer players on the otherhand are most likely rushing straight in and are oftentimes in prop battles not even climbing.
@@EncrypticMethods How's that? It is better for them since i don't focus them early on. Although it is probably frustrating to constantly get slaughtered by vets in lowtier.
@@theborg6024 I care the most about the victory. A fair one of course, so i'm not abusing the airfield or anything. I play this game for 6 years now, but winning has always been my goal.
imagine having a line, where you first have to grind the me-163 against postwar fighters, then the 262 against postwar fighters and sabres and then you get a sabre to fight supersonic enemies and gaijin thinks nothing is wrong there…
@@doubletake3411 Germany is only strong prop brs are 4.0-4.7. Higher best are just fild whit ju228 spam which makes it 2v6 at the best. And lower brs are too low to even compare
I got the CL13A and expected to get wrecked every game but I have discovered I do better in full uptiers than downtiers, to the point of semi-regularly getting first place. Everyone is so fast you get there when they all furball, then you proceed to outturn phantoms and head on MiG 21S' till you have 5 kills. 10-10 would recommend the A
another reason ive noticed i do decent when i use it is because it is so bad people will ignore you and go for the bigger threat allowing you to 3rd party alot
@@ihavenocreativity2666 recently, to deal with constant uptiers with the MiG-17 i've been squadding with friends who have the MiG-21S, uptiers are actually bearable when you have competent friends you can rely on. And 9.7 at most gets uptiered to 10.3 (10.7 is just rare in the MM), so its just a little bit above the normal full uptier of the MiG-17
I don't know how you manage to get so many battles like this. When I was grinding 9.7, 10.3, and 10.7 with Italy, I had less than a dozen battles like this throughout all of them. Battles where the enemy team plays this poorly, this inexperienced, are extremely rare for me. I got a single full down-tier in the F-104S in which I got my only ace against 9.7 planes that just put themselves in front of my guns and missiles. Almost everything else was either relatively balanced or (more often) a nightmare for me, up-tiers against spaded and experienced teams.
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When there was that good old top tier like 9.3 MiG-15s MiG-17s, F-86s and nothing more, no missiles. That was fun. This CL-13 was awesome, fast, turny and fun. When gaijin added mussiles, this plane was so OP! Now? They uptiered it against MiG-21s.. bruh
One way to distinguish an F Sabre to an A Sabre is that the A Sabre as a double cylinder point at the tail while an F saber just as a flat end point at the end of its tail. The CL 13 is an F sabre
I'm so glad you also gave this plane another shot! I played it in a full uptier and managed to squeeze out 3 kills and survive now that was surprising in of itself, but I must say you are a different breed my friend.
Ohh nice seeing this plane again, I sucked ass in it when it was stock and relatively new, but once i picked it up later again it was actually very enjoyable and you could still kinda spray and pray with it, same with the F-100,was a very good plane and very fun, haven't played it in ages tho and the mm is entirely different today, was pre Mig-21 times i believe
f86-35 was my first premium (I've only been playing for like 2-3 years) I went pretty deep into US jet tree with it...Anyways I was so excited to get to the f-100 and I just didn't have the skill for it yet and proceeded to get absolutely wrekt. The Phantom on the other hand is my baby and its got just enough energy to get 3-4 hard turns in before I run out of energy in a gunfight.
About the fight with the F105, I had a similar engagement with me in 4.0 Ki-43 and P-51 of some kind. He kept on doing BnZ, and was good at it, but I always managed to dodge. I killed him by letting him come up to me from the side, dodged and did a lead turn into his flight path, leaving me 200m from him in low aspect. Quick burst of 20mm got the kill, and I got a hate message
Sure, I do rather well in my Sabres as well, surprisingly it's pretty good at killing off overconfident mig21's or F100d's etc having that said...Sabres have no business seeing supersonics and R60's
I mean jet match above 8.7 used to be really good. There were a lot of experienced players that know how to fly a jet and use their guns. Those players are gone since AAM and premium jets came out. And that's really sad.
People just don't care about the game as they used to i think so that is why they don't put much effort. Between the grinds, high repair costs, team kill steals and next to none rewards, it is easy to understand why they are like this. The game stopped being a game a long time ago, now it is just a job.
I remember when this thing fighting far better plane with missiles and afterburner and less than 10k repair cost, meanwhile this plane was crying in 25k repair cost
The thing that keeps me from really playing the Sabres is the wing ripping. I cannot for the life of me figure wtf I'm doing wrong to get a wing rip. Edit: I don't use boosters Edit 2: these have all been very helpful thank you
Dont pull hard or roll while pulling at 850kph IAS range, 850-750 is the most tricky place to fly it. You need boosters on Mk6 bcs you have to stay above 1000kph to get consistent kills or be a danger to other supersonics and without boosters hitting stuff at those speeds is hard
I play CL13 quite a bit. You don't need to argue, it IS the strongest saber. I find it always funny how all the other teammates zoom around me on the airfield, they get to 800kmh before I even manage to take off only to end up alone at the end with 4-6 kills lol. Plane is overtiered AF, but you often fight people which highly underestimate you. The only annoying thing about playing it is that if you encounter a player with an ounce of brain matter left, he will run from you the whole game and there is literally nothing I can do to touch him. And the cherry on top is the repair cost. I will never forgive gaijin for treating the german jets the way they do. Edit: so after finishing the video, you just validated everything I think about it. I'd like to thank you for talking about this issue, hope someone at Gaijin notices .. after 3 years.
I never thought of it like that. I 100% skipped the cl 13 planes and grinded the mig21 with my 229 at first than later the 262 when they ruined the cl13's in my eyes. I guess this mm is once again an example of how gaijins statistics hide the real measurements on how to balance vehicles. Players become complacent and ignore basic rules of playstyles when you face planes that sit at a similar br but are 2 to 3 times worse in perforemance. Similar to how you see a spam of Leopard 2PacketLoss tanks owned by players who have a lvl of 11 to 30. Comically i rarely see the same names after a week or two ever again. How did we get to this fuster cluck of a situation from 2017... oh right..
it's at 9,7 because 12 idiots thought as a way to spoof the spreadhsheet they'd try hard with the CL13mk6 and shot up it's performance for it's former BR so it got uptiered. There was even rumors that they might do it again to make it the first and only 10,0 sabre in the game.
the exact same thing is the simitar except the exact other way around. i was once in a 1v2 against a mig15 and a gina. they couldn't catch me and i couldn't get my guns on them or missiles them. the timer also expired
Feel like a g91ys with worst guns but better maneuverability. By the way, what am I supposed to do with the t54’s? Feel obsolete as hell at 7.7 with all the glass cannons running around, the gun is great but it’s sluggish and the armor 9/10 it’s useless since pretty much everyone can lol pen.
Its basically the same story with the Japanese f86 its decent but slow af you only get uptiers to 10.0 10.3 half of the team is dead before you even reach the battle
No no Spit ! You need to use the S-word ; SKILL It's a skill issue ! Too many players were pushed too high in BR way too fast missing some crucial "skills" to properly play ARB
And to be fair and honest : top tier doesn’t worth it, not to say it’s trash. Primarily because of the f*ck*d up BR settings. Having subsonics with supersonics would be like having I-16 and CR-32 fighting against Ta-152 or P51H, the performances gap is simply abysmal and this is just unplayable. (Sorry for my english issues, hope you will get it though)
I don’t it’s entirely crap players that get killed by the CL-13 or the other Sabres at this br. The situation I find myself in is I’ll come across a German mig 21 that has R60’s and I’ll be in something without counter measures usually the Jag Gr1, MiG 21 f13, or Mirage 3c. The enemy mig 21 will full commit for me. Sooner or later he will get within R60 range so I have to turn with him so he can’t get the IR lock. Pretty quickly we are both low speed and waiting for teammates help us out. This is why there are Sabres at 9.3 and 9.7 that still do well. Several planes have top tier or missiles that are almost guarantee kill against planes that don’t have counter measures so you have to pull hard enough to not get clapped by the immediate threat of the enemy missile. Also idk how many times my engine has been dmged by a Sabre that just yeet shoots 50 cal from 2 miles away and runs me down cause my engine dies.
nothing will save this plane, even if the br range goes above 12.0 because it will probably always manage to go against supersonics. it can't be downtiered either because if it were at 9.3 it would probably shit on everything at 8.3 and 8.7
I play the F40 Sabre a lot grinding Japan and it’s overtiered yet I get multiple kills a game with so many SuperSonics trying to turn fight me because all they see is a Sabre so it must be a free kill
Nah, they deserve their 9.3/9.7 battle ratings, imagine trying to fight the CL Mk 6 in the Banshee or basically any 8.0. The other stuff at 9.7 probably isn't deserving of 9.7 (looking at you F-105), I'd move most of the 9.7 supersonics up to 10.0 at least. Back to Sabres, I'd put all the F Sabres at 9.0, move the A-5 to 8.7 (and maybe add the FJ-2 as well), and keep the CLs where they are (the F-86H and CA-27 Sabres would also be at 9.7). All assuming proper decompression occurs though.
You're not old and cynical. It's just that at high teirs, the planes get better and the pilots don't. The plane is a crutch and players don't use skill, they use the crutch. The planes get better, the pilots don't. F-4C is a good example, I have seen teams of F-4C's lose to 9.0 Eterndard and 9.7 Jaguars. The joke about the F-4C is it will be 9.3 by the end of the year.
I remember a while back saying that the CLs needed a small br reduction, only for US mains to come and say their 8.7 and 9.0 couldn't face the God mighty CL13. But when the F4C got put at 10.0 they defended gaijin's decision with their lives, only to still be crapped by MiG 17s and other subsonic planes.
@@antonmancia2096 Plus the only reason CL13 always came on top was cus the allied jet bomber spam same shit we have today with ju288. Imagine 2018 not that many people played top tier couple that with bomber spam and you end up with 6x cl13 vs 2x F86. Those +7% of thrust were not the reason cl13 rekt back then.
Think we can get a vid on the F86F2 now? Just asking because I personally find it to be the “fun zone” of being a Sabre with good guns just the repair is insane if you could touch on it.
Can you fly the most expensive Yak9? the one with 16k repair cost..not sure which one is it,i think it's a 4.7 Yak9U. Please explain the such ridicilous repair cost
The Mk.6 is pain at 9.7. The Mk.5 at 9.3 is pure torture. Imagine all the things/features the Mk.6 has to atleast TRY and perform at 9.7, and just remove that, and you have the mk5. I spaded the mk5 late last year (late the the cl party) and it was pure torture.
Hey Spit, can you do a video on the F11 in the current stage of the game? I don't see too many people play it anymore and I honestly don't know why. Edit: it's pretty shit rn actually, gets sucked up against 9.7s very often.
Around when it was introduced the only thing faster than you was the Lightning and sometimes the MiG 19 and you could just play your speed. Now you face a team 3/4 full of MiG 21 and J35A which are faster, accelerates better, and lord knows the F11 cant turn.
Mig-15 bis is an absolute monster. I even played the standard Mig-15 at 8.7 and came out with a near 5-1 K/D overall. The Mig-15 platform is one of the best in the game.
Man I remember when this thing was the absolute cream of top tier back in the day. 2015, just before they added the Hunter and then later the MiG-17, the CL-13 was the fastest. How times change.
This plane was added in like 2018… you got the wrong CL-13
You confuse it with CL13A, this is CL13B which was not added before 2019.
Yep clearly a noob player.
Back in the CL-13 hayday. That thing was a frickin beast back then. So good
The A model was only so good because match maker would have russian mig plus german Sabres against american Sabres. Sabre plus mig vs sabre was just totally unfair
I used to be really afraid of this thing. When I would fly the Hunter F1, I could never beat them in a fight. Now I just watch them get blown from the sky by all the mach 2 supersonics with 4+ AAMs...
but they will say no git gud learn to play, much like MiG19 except that MiG19 actually has performance.
CL13s in a whole are the only aircraft I don’t even feel bad about seeing get seal clubbed. The jet was an absolute menace for every old school player
"the CL13B is a preferctly cappable plane if your ennemies are crap"
sounds like me getting the M18 out for a ride in a 11.0 battle and getting 5 kills because people have the attention span of a duck
i got 7 kills at top tier with M4A3 76 :)
The 13B is a really good plane but it outperforms most F86 contemporaries like the Mig17, it's kinda the same to the P51H that shits on Ki84s, K4, Ta152 but it has some trouble fighting coordinated jets. These planes that are super version of a base plane are really hard to balance
Quack 🦆
@@stefanmichaelsenzegarra5688 you forgot to mention Spitfire F Mk 24
This is the reason why i have developed the unhealthy habit of checking the enemy teams statcards. People who play this game longer have a lot more patience than newer players. Players with 30-40 days+ in airrb are in 90% of all cases going to sideclimb and are even just because of that much harder to kill. They also know their planes much better and play to their strengths. Newer players on the otherhand are most likely rushing straight in and are oftentimes in prop battles not even climbing.
Yeah, it's always fun after Gaijin has a big sale on premiums.
The statcard feature is killing the new playerbase.
@@EncrypticMethods How's that? It is better for them since i don't focus them early on. Although it is probably frustrating to constantly get slaughtered by vets in lowtier.
jokes on you my dumbass does the exact opposite because ive played for so long ive stopped caring about anything more than having a good fight
@@theborg6024 I care the most about the victory. A fair one of course, so i'm not abusing the airfield or anything. I play this game for 6 years now, but winning has always been my goal.
imagine having a line, where you first have to grind the me-163 against postwar fighters, then the 262 against postwar fighters and sabres and then you get a sabre to fight supersonic enemies and gaijin thinks nothing is wrong there…
Currently struggling thru it cuz I unlocked the mig21 but not rank 7 :/
It's payback for making props absolute Hell to play as the Allies, germany doesn't suffer enough
@@doubletake3411 when were allies absolute hell? spitfire thunderbolts, mustangs...all not bad aircraft...
@@doubletake3411 Germany is only strong prop brs are 4.0-4.7. Higher best are just fild whit ju228 spam which makes it 2v6 at the best. And lower brs are too low to even compare
@@doubletake3411 sounds like skill issue tho
I got the CL13A and expected to get wrecked every game but I have discovered I do better in full uptiers than downtiers, to the point of semi-regularly getting first place. Everyone is so fast you get there when they all furball, then you proceed to outturn phantoms and head on MiG 21S' till you have 5 kills. 10-10 would recommend the A
I feel the same about the MiG-17, it just feels easier to catch F-4's off-guard than actually fight Sabres and shit
another reason ive noticed i do decent when i use it is because it is so bad people will ignore you and go for the bigger threat allowing you to 3rd party alot
Same for me with the Hunter F.6, let your teammates engage enemies first then catch people not paying attention and blast their asses with SRAAMs
same lol. i spaded the mk 5 in about 50 battles and almost have a kd of 2
@@ihavenocreativity2666 recently, to deal with constant uptiers with the MiG-17 i've been squadding with friends who have the MiG-21S, uptiers are actually bearable when you have competent friends you can rely on. And 9.7 at most gets uptiered to 10.3 (10.7 is just rare in the MM), so its just a little bit above the normal full uptier of the MiG-17
I'm surprised you're still playing this. I threw this game in the trash 13 months ago, Best decision ever
Its actually a good game, i just finished the russian tech tree
@@MageOtter27 nice joke lol I also ditched it 13 months ago, it just wears ya down
@@imperial4632 it’s fun though. Especially right now with the f16 and mig29 getting added
@@humanerocketeer7433 Nah nah nah no mig 29 or f16 chill... Maybe 1-2 years
@@andreidragomir5360 it was leaked…
The fact this thing sees freaking Phantoms is the perfect example of how fked War Thunder is right now.
I hated this plane so much back in the day. But it's kind of sad to see how far it's dropped in performance due to the game progressing
I don't know how you manage to get so many battles like this. When I was grinding 9.7, 10.3, and 10.7 with Italy, I had less than a dozen battles like this throughout all of them. Battles where the enemy team plays this poorly, this inexperienced, are extremely rare for me.
I got a single full down-tier in the F-104S in which I got my only ace against 9.7 planes that just put themselves in front of my guns and missiles. Almost everything else was either relatively balanced or (more often) a nightmare for me, up-tiers against spaded and experienced teams.
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Ok bud
Cool story
that was vital to know, appreciate it a lot
Can always appreciate a random cool fact.
Was my favorite plane for a very long time once it came out! Miss that allied vs axis and 9.7 cap. Great times
When there was that good old top tier like 9.3 MiG-15s MiG-17s, F-86s and nothing more, no missiles. That was fun. This CL-13 was awesome, fast, turny and fun. When gaijin added mussiles, this plane was so OP! Now? They uptiered it against MiG-21s.. bruh
One way to distinguish an F Sabre to an A Sabre is that the A Sabre as a double cylinder point at the tail while an F saber just as a flat end point at the end of its tail. The CL 13 is an F sabre
Only bottoms care about that much details
"I've hit 4 digit gains..."
Meanwhile his ping, not being far off 4 digits as well
Thank you Spit for showing this plane some love, it desperately needs it.
I'm so glad you also gave this plane another shot! I played it in a full uptier and managed to squeeze out 3 kills and survive now that was surprising in of itself, but I must say you are a different breed my friend.
Man I've been playing the Cl.13 Mk.5, Mk.6, and F-86K for Germany. Honestly fun aircraft to bully supersonics who think they're hot stuff.
Yes! I agree!
Would be really fun to see a video on the J32B, another 9.7, subsonic with incredibly high repair cost
It's very nice seeing you posting video constantly again
Ohh nice seeing this plane again, I sucked ass in it when it was stock and relatively new, but once i picked it up later again it was actually very enjoyable and you could still kinda spray and pray with it, same with the F-100,was a very good plane and very fun, haven't played it in ages tho and the mm is entirely different today, was pre Mig-21 times i believe
f86-35 was my first premium (I've only been playing for like 2-3 years) I went pretty deep into US jet tree with it...Anyways I was so excited to get to the f-100 and I just didn't have the skill for it yet and proceeded to get absolutely wrekt. The Phantom on the other hand is my baby and its got just enough energy to get 3-4 hard turns in before I run out of energy in a gunfight.
About the fight with the F105, I had a similar engagement with me in 4.0 Ki-43 and P-51 of some kind. He kept on doing BnZ, and was good at it, but I always managed to dodge. I killed him by letting him come up to me from the side, dodged and did a lead turn into his flight path, leaving me 200m from him in low aspect. Quick burst of 20mm got the kill, and I got a hate message
Sure, I do rather well in my Sabres as well, surprisingly it's pretty good at killing off overconfident mig21's or F100d's etc having that said...Sabres have no business seeing supersonics and R60's
I mean jet match above 8.7 used to be really good. There were a lot of experienced players that know how to fly a jet and use their guns. Those players are gone since AAM and premium jets came out. And that's really sad.
1:13 Actually, CL-13B's performance can be compared with F-86H series.
Embodiment of “I might be old but I’ll still kick your ass!”
1:52 the f86f30 faces exactly the same enemies in 60% of the matches which is so cancerous, I can't do much unless the enemy has uptiered planes too.
i would like to see a revisit on the hunter f6 after this video
People just don't care about the game as they used to i think so that is why they don't put much effort. Between the grinds, high repair costs, team kill steals and next to none rewards, it is easy to understand why they are like this. The game stopped being a game a long time ago, now it is just a job.
Good tip : uninstall new booster in Modification , it's make Saber can hard turn and dont wing rip
This works for the G91 R3 too
That plane is with the Lightning and Thunderyeet?! BR decompression plz.
I've been wating for someone to do a video on my favorite plane nowadays. Thank you.
I remember back a few years ago when this was the best plane in the whole game
I remember when this thing fighting far better plane with missiles and afterburner and less than 10k repair cost, meanwhile this plane was crying in 25k repair cost
Balancing based on the top 20% of players. Brilliant, Gaijin.
pile of garbage that costs 16k to repair in rb, yep definitely not touching that
The thing that keeps me from really playing the Sabres is the wing ripping. I cannot for the life of me figure wtf I'm doing wrong to get a wing rip.
Edit: I don't use boosters
Edit 2: these have all been very helpful thank you
Dont use boosters
Yea the booster modification does that
Uninstall the booster modification and use the airbrakes alot
Dont pull hard or roll while pulling at 850kph IAS range, 850-750 is the most tricky place to fly it. You need boosters on Mk6 bcs you have to stay above 1000kph to get consistent kills or be a danger to other supersonics and without boosters hitting stuff at those speeds is hard
Never barrel roll at high speed. You only pitch, or only roll. Never both at the same time. You can leave the new boosters on
I play CL13 quite a bit.
You don't need to argue, it IS the strongest saber.
I find it always funny how all the other teammates zoom around me on the airfield, they get to 800kmh before I even manage to take off only to end up alone at the end with 4-6 kills lol.
Plane is overtiered AF, but you often fight people which highly underestimate you.
The only annoying thing about playing it is that if you encounter a player with an ounce of brain matter left, he will run from you the whole game and there is literally nothing I can do to touch him.
And the cherry on top is the repair cost.
I will never forgive gaijin for treating the german jets the way they do.
Edit: so after finishing the video, you just validated everything I think about it. I'd like to thank you for talking about this issue, hope someone at Gaijin notices .. after 3 years.
this was me im my banshee up agianst all those Mig-15s/17s and the G91s, they underestimate me so much but if they don't then i cant touch them
I never thought of it like that. I 100% skipped the cl 13 planes and grinded the mig21 with my 229 at first than later the 262 when they ruined the cl13's in my eyes. I guess this mm is once again an example of how gaijins statistics hide the real measurements on how to balance vehicles. Players become complacent and ignore basic rules of playstyles when you face planes that sit at a similar br but are 2 to 3 times worse in perforemance. Similar to how you see a spam of Leopard 2PacketLoss tanks owned by players who have a lvl of 11 to 30. Comically i rarely see the same names after a week or two ever again. How did we get to this fuster cluck of a situation from 2017... oh right..
it's at 9,7 because 12 idiots thought as a way to spoof the spreadhsheet they'd try hard with the CL13mk6 and shot up it's performance for it's former BR so it got uptiered. There was even rumors that they might do it again to make it the first and only 10,0 sabre in the game.
I think that was the CL-13A Mk4 in the Italian tree right? It was going to 9.0 and it was basically an F-86A-5
the exact same thing is the simitar except the exact other way around. i was once in a 1v2 against a mig15 and a gina. they couldn't catch me and i couldn't get my guns on them or missiles them. the timer also expired
I started to fly the f30 Saber. The China one. I'm freaking loving the plane.
love your vids man. dont know if youll see this but still. I enjoy sitting back, eating my pre coursework meal, and chilling w you.
One thing, if you use 6 minutes of fuel, they last way longer than 6 minutes but you are extremely light and you will have more than enough fuel
Feel like a g91ys with worst guns but better maneuverability.
By the way, what am I supposed to do with the t54’s?
Feel obsolete as hell at 7.7 with all the glass cannons running around, the gun is great but it’s sluggish and the armor 9/10 it’s useless since pretty much everyone can lol pen.
It also has better energy retention over the g91ys
"An Obsolete Plane CL-13B Mk.6"
Meanwhile: every british jet except meteor and phantom
Nothing like F-105 vs Mig 15 :P
Its basically the same story with the Japanese f86 its decent but slow af you only get uptiers to 10.0 10.3 half of the team is dead before you even reach the battle
At least they are all out of missile by the time you arrive.
Throwing planes away is my favorite pastime
No no Spit ! You need to use the S-word ; SKILL
It's a skill issue !
Too many players were pushed too high in BR way too fast missing some crucial "skills" to properly play ARB
It is a Canadian built sabre with an Orenda engine
back when the CL-13 mk5 was the best plane in the game... oh how times have changed...
The Cl13 should be at 8.7BR with the BiS15
And to be fair and honest : top tier doesn’t worth it, not to say it’s trash. Primarily because of the f*ck*d up BR settings. Having subsonics with supersonics would be like having I-16 and CR-32 fighting against Ta-152 or P51H, the performances gap is simply abysmal and this is just unplayable.
(Sorry for my english issues, hope you will get it though)
One easy fix for br compression. Go from a 1.0 br difference. To a 0.7 allowable difference.
Thats too much work for Gaijin. They only CTRL C / CTRL V entire TT now.
Petition to get the Australian Avon Sabres added to the game
This one is identical to the f86f40 jasdf in the japanese techtree but the japanese one is 9.3
If you think about it, that this thing was the counterpart to the Mig-15 historrically and here it fights Mig-19 and 21. Big Oof
the CL-13B is more the counterpart to the MiG-17F/MiG-19 tbh
The su7b is 9.3. lower than this. It's insane
I have extensively played the cl 13b and that title is 100% accurate.
I’m glad you and I both have the same experience. I love my CL-13B but it’s boring when everyone is 200kph faster at your own BR
I don’t it’s entirely crap players that get killed by the CL-13 or the other Sabres at this br. The situation I find myself in is I’ll come across a German mig 21 that has R60’s and I’ll be in something without counter measures usually the Jag Gr1, MiG 21 f13, or Mirage 3c. The enemy mig 21 will full commit for me. Sooner or later he will get within R60 range so I have to turn with him so he can’t get the IR lock. Pretty quickly we are both low speed and waiting for teammates help us out. This is why there are Sabres at 9.3 and 9.7 that still do well. Several planes have top tier or missiles that are almost guarantee kill against planes that don’t have counter measures so you have to pull hard enough to not get clapped by the immediate threat of the enemy missile. Also idk how many times my engine has been dmged by a Sabre that just yeet shoots 50 cal from 2 miles away and runs me down cause my engine dies.
I'm glad I've found your channel. Keep up the good work man you're underrated. Subbed btw.
Thanks for the sub!
Really glad this plane was bumped down to 9.3
It's still gonna fight aim9l and R60M every game right?
It’s a Canadian variant with a Canadian engine. 🇨🇦
could you do a vid on the Sagittario 2 since its nerf i am curious where its standing rn
amasing gameplay to watch.
Tbh i thought the F35 premium sabre was in the worst BR but a 9.7 sabre🙁
You trivialised the best dogfighter in the game.
Only reporting on what Gaijin did to it
nothing will save this plane, even if the br range goes above 12.0 because it will probably always manage to go against supersonics. it can't be downtiered either because if it were at 9.3 it would probably shit on everything at 8.3 and 8.7
Br decompression
Mig 17as has almost the same performance with just a different play style at 9.0
I was playing in the German mig15 bis and absolutely destroyed a lightning that tried to pull with me
I play the F40 Sabre a lot grinding Japan and it’s overtiered yet I get multiple kills a game with so many SuperSonics trying to turn fight me because all they see is a Sabre so it must be a free kill
same story for the japanese sabre the F40, u just face 10.0 or even 10.3 which clap you
could you play the Sagittario 2 cause ive been struggling with it since its nerf
your so under rated dude, great video's
Birthday upload from spit, let’s go, much love
in my opinion the 9.3 and 9.7 sabers should be 9.0 max the f86k is excluded
Nah, they deserve their 9.3/9.7 battle ratings, imagine trying to fight the CL Mk 6 in the Banshee or basically any 8.0. The other stuff at 9.7 probably isn't deserving of 9.7 (looking at you F-105), I'd move most of the 9.7 supersonics up to 10.0 at least. Back to Sabres, I'd put all the F Sabres at 9.0, move the A-5 to 8.7 (and maybe add the FJ-2 as well), and keep the CLs where they are (the F-86H and CA-27 Sabres would also be at 9.7). All assuming proper decompression occurs though.
@@Xiphactinus Imagine trying to fight the Phantom II and Mig21 in the CL13 or basically any 10.7.. oh wait. We need decompression ASAP.
@@Xiphactinus or playing an cl13mk5 against mig21 smt ,in my opinion the mig 21 smt and mf should be but back to 10.7
@@bananomet4052 did you read the rest of my comment? I specifically mentioned that decompression would be needed.
You're not old and cynical. It's just that at high teirs, the planes get better and the pilots don't. The plane is a crutch and players don't use skill, they use the crutch.
The planes get better, the pilots don't. F-4C is a good example, I have seen teams of F-4C's lose to 9.0 Eterndard and 9.7 Jaguars. The joke about the F-4C is it will be 9.3 by the end of the year.
At the rate of US mains crying displayed on subreddit, all the US phantoms will be 8.0 by 2023.
@@bananomet4052 German mains are teaching the Americans now. :P
I remember a while back saying that the CLs needed a small br reduction, only for US mains to come and say their 8.7 and 9.0 couldn't face the God mighty CL13. But when the F4C got put at 10.0 they defended gaijin's decision with their lives, only to still be crapped by MiG 17s and other subsonic planes.
@@antonmancia2096 At least this proves, British is Best. :D (10.3)
@@antonmancia2096 Plus the only reason CL13 always came on top was cus the allied jet bomber spam same shit we have today with ju288.
Imagine 2018 not that many people played top tier couple that with bomber spam and you end up with 6x cl13 vs 2x F86. Those +7% of thrust were not the reason cl13 rekt back then.
Compared to the other sabres it it worthy of 9.7 but the compression makes it rediculous
Think we can get a vid on the F86F2 now? Just asking because I personally find it to be the “fun zone” of being a Sabre with good guns just the repair is insane if you could touch on it.
Can you make video about me262c-2b and F7F-3 please
Does the hunter fga9 deserve to be at 9.7, or has it been powercrept as well?
Can you fly the most expensive Yak9? the one with 16k repair cost..not sure which one is it,i think it's a 4.7 Yak9U. Please explain the such ridicilous repair cost
How can u do emojis in the game ?
thought this was going to be about the harrier
The Mk.6 is pain at 9.7.
The Mk.5 at 9.3 is pure torture.
Imagine all the things/features the Mk.6 has to atleast TRY and perform at 9.7, and just remove that, and you have the mk5.
I spaded the mk5 late last year (late the the cl party)
and it was pure torture.
the japanes one is wose
I think a lot of players just want to chill when they play and not employ thier grade A tactics.
ah the saber, aka the noob buying jets destroyer
it saddens me because i really wanted to like the CL-13s, i mean who does like an up engined sabre, but at 9.3/7 and at THAT REP COST. no thanks...
whats your graphics?
could you maybe try out the F-86-F2 sometime?
Hey Spit, can you do a video on the F11 in the current stage of the game? I don't see too many people play it anymore and I honestly don't know why.
Edit: it's pretty shit rn actually, gets sucked up against 9.7s very often.
Around when it was introduced the only thing faster than you was the Lightning and sometimes the MiG 19 and you could just play your speed. Now you face a team 3/4 full of MiG 21 and J35A which are faster, accelerates better, and lord knows the F11 cant turn.
and the repair cost is just insane.
This plane is defenitely the same performance as the j37A
“Outdated, not obsolete”
play the mig15 bis and suffer a little
mig15bis doesn’t suffer if you play it right
Mig-15 bis is an absolute monster. I even played the standard Mig-15 at 8.7 and came out with a near 5-1 K/D overall. The Mig-15 platform is one of the best in the game.
You forgot repair cost 23k loins
Spibb flyer
F86-F2 is fun at the same BR
love how people just J out when they think that its a loosing battle
Better than ramming the ground to deny you the kill
Late f86s really need to get their br lowered...
Please play the F4U-4B!