Why Modern Movies Suck - They're Destroying Our Heroes
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- In Part 3 of my series on why modern movies suck, I'll be looking at one of the worst crimes of all - the deconstruction and ultimate destruction of our traditional heroes.
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@@sexygirls9720 Tatiana is the only girl for drinker
I am not looking forward to JMS destroying Captain John Sheridan in the reboot for B5, or tearing down Jack O'Neill in whatever new Stargate show arrives to Prime.
Cool 😎
Modern movies suck because the rich and powerful who have ties or are in Hollywood are trying to divide a country and some of the ppl drinking the cool aid start believing their lies and thinking their sick twisted view of the world is the true and agreed upon view of everyone. There's alot of bad coming and it's by a bunch of people who do no research and think that their not evil while being evil. We need to be split up on gender, polotics, viruses, vaccines, race, class and pop culture. It's what has been done by us and China to take over places. Split the population and then pick a side, make sure they win and now ur regime is in and communism is coming. Quickly.
Lol sry to drop this in ur shit but it's true and very important. Mark my words something bad is coming and is here for some places. Love ur channel though and have seen every post uve made.
I will go away now🤧
“Evil cannot create, only corrupt.” - JRR Tolkien
A wise guy man Tolkien is
What a wise man Tolkien was. And Peter Jackson too for carrying out his story the right way. Surely Hollywood won't come after LOTR.... oh wait. Shit.
@@lord2.0works Have you seen what Amazon intends to do with his work? It's not a pretty sight
And we are facing evil.
Speaking of Hollywood corrupting that which is good :-(
Does anyone remember the good old days when female characters actually struggled and weren’t perfect Mary Sues who were given everything based on their gender, race, or sexuality
Yes.
@@aprilia3092 Nobody gives a crap.
Yes, miss those times
i watched wandavision the other day and my god what a blatant display of strong female leaders on every fuckin position
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I believe Will is really onto something here. Why are so many writers terrified of masculinity? For example, why must they destroy the concept of fatherhood with their relentless “drunk, abusive father“ tropes?
not only that, they're also destroying the sanctity of motherhood, and parenthood in general. reemphasizing such "progressive" feminist and intersectional "virtues" , as discarding one's feminine role of motherhood, in order to advance their selfish, narcissistic careers, including postponing or even aborting their childbirths. as well as corrupting children's (sexual) lives within the family and school.
thereby the dismantling the entire sacred, essential family structure. leading to more societal decay and hedonism.
Because it would be a cold day in hell when Hollywood accepts that Fathers can be supportive.
Because Hollywood has been infected with woke intersectional political nonsense. White man bad.
Hehe, fatherless behaviour
Not only that, the people in Hollywood don't want high quality men that are willing to ask lots of questions and aren't afraid to protect themselves and their loved ones from hostile threats.
I first heard the term "deconstruction" in culinary school years ago. It is a term for some modern chefs to take the ingredients of a classic dish, cook them separately, and artfully arrange them on the plate. The result rarely tastes anything like the original dish. I've heard that Gordon Ramsey calls "deconstructed" dishes "f-ing destroyed". That is also true of "deconstructed" characters.
One can deconstruct an object into smaller objects in programming. By that I want to communicate that deconstruction has its purpose but deconstructing cult-level characters that inspired a generation of kids to become better despite adversity is just cynical.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. But most of the time ''deconstruction'' in culinary arts is the work of a lazy chef. It is taking an existing idea, and thinking what you do is original.
You should see the Deconstructivism philosophy in architecture.....pure garbage.
@@valeriansage My best friend growing up became an architect and, especially when he was in school, has been a big fan of deconstructionist architecture, though I didn't know it was called that until much later. I will say that if deconstruction in any art form is done by someone who is truly talented, still respects the original source, and is mindful of how the finished product should be both original and familiar, it can be great. Unfortunately people with that level of skill and talent are rare in any profession.
@@samuelmcphersonwulfboy8327 Been in architecture school. You are conditioned to make "unique" built environments but most of the time, it becomes pretentious thus one of the origins of deconstruction. I can see the merit of deconstruction....like building a structure dedicated to something that belongs to Disney park or any other fantastical theme parks or homes dedicated to rich celebrities living in remote hillside with odd quirks and taste. But in can never be in a residential zone where it stands out the most becoming an eyesore or even in a busy town center contrasting heritage sites which deconstructivist architects like to do, in protest to a "broken past" of slavery, bigotry etc....it's a long story but yes, Architecture is surprisingly political.
When heroes are written by villains, what else can you expect?
Ah- that's actually a fair point
Evil people never believe they are capable of evil.
You'd think a bunch of sociopaths would know how people act well enough to craft believable characters.
Accurate deduction
You either see heroes die, or you live long enough to see them become villains, getting woke and going broke.
I get that writers wanna portray old heroes as broken and past their prime, but there’s ways to do it without taking a fat dump on the character. Logan was a good example
Consider Clint Eastwood as William Munney in Unforgiven. Also consider that Eastwood and Freeman were playing old men past their prime 30 years ago.
Being older does not make a person useless. This is just the USA's issue with youth worship. And we see the extreme of it in modern entertainment.
@@gravitatemortuus1080 not just youth worship. It plays into the political eugenics agenda that people too old to work are “useless eaters” and no longer have anything to contribute to society. The days of revering the wise, who are usually the elderly, have been replaced by viewing anyone past 55 as incompetent and infirm. It’s actually quite sad.
Shit or Yoda for that matter.
Logan is a terrible example. The movie was horrible; the character was destroyed, along with Prof. X. It was the first example of exactly what the CD is talking about that I noticed coming out of hollywood. Bleak destruction of an iconic character to promote a new generation of mediocre characters to push an agenda--not that they hadn't already completely destroyed the X-Men with craptastic reboots
Reminds me of when Emma Watson in Beauty and the Beast told her father she was going to escape anyway after giving her self up in exchange. That completely took away from the sacrifice Belle made. It was one of the most touching things in the animated film because it showed how much Belle loved her father and how brave she truly was to undergo a life of slavery at the mercy of a terrifying beast. In the live action it just showed she is untrustworthy and foolish to make such a comment and that her "sacrifice" was shallow. Empty even. It showed that her word meant nothing since she was intending to go back on it even though the beast mercifully let her father live.
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I’m not sure these people understand the meaning of the word “sacrifice.” Maybe that’s the crux of the issue. A hero is by necessity sacrificial!
Interestingly, there's another Disney movie which does this. Maleficent 2. Maleficent (who really fits the profile of an the perpetrator in a coercive controlling relationship, but that's another matter) "sacrifices" herself for Aurora but returns from the dead minutes later because apparently discovering the true meaning of love allowed her to come back.
I can‘t believe you grown ass people watching beauty and the beast
Especially "men" 😂
@@T-800skynett If stories and fairytalles were good enough for J.R.R Tolkien, they're good enough for me.
I'm friends with a screenwriter who has won an Academy Award for best screenplay.
This is what he told me: "Hollywood used to reflect America. Now it just projects itself."
"Non-diverse female space-Jesus" is just about the best description of Rey I've yet heard. Well done.
That’s basically Rey in a nutshell
It feels accurate
YES!
@@thechroniclegamer4285 👍👍👍💯💯💯💯🦖
It's kinda disrespectful to Jesus though... poor bloke was kindness personified and allegedly gave his life for humanity's sins... this bland know-it-all do-it-all is anything but kind...
Then: "Let's try to write a good story."
Now: "Let's do what the social media analysts tell us."
Now " lets make a shit movie and then accuse anyone who doesn't watch it of being resist Nazis, that always works."
I like how they blame men being sexist towards female protagonists, while most women out there hate them also. Proof is the video of women screaming at the end of rise of skywalker
Then: let's make a delicious sparkling cola drink that is also healthy
Now: let's make watered-down urine water and add chemicals to it to make it nearly ingestable and also toxic
@@VuNguyen-bo2cm that but also that men and women have different tastes.
Taking previous classics beloved by men and for men have been desecrated for cheap cash grabs and agenda pushing.
The only reasonable defense of these crimes against art I've heard is that they're trying to sell to a wider audience.
Which falls short when you realize there are very few things in the world that is "for everyone".
SW is targeted towards boys/men. Just like barbie is for girls/women. There is nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, because Hollywood NEVER tried to do what appealed to the masses before, right? Hollywood before the 2010's was perfect and did no wrong; they never made bad movies that pandered! Boy, I sure do love looking at things with rose-tinted lenses, let me tell ya!
You either die a hero
...Or live long enough to have your character arc undone by modern Hollywood Writers
I can’t stop feeling that many of the problems you described are actually problems that plague today’s world at large.😢
They succeeded at reflecting the world we live in today.
It makes sense when you think about it. The movies will reflect society as a whole, and that's why there are people who will still say that movies like Rise of Skywalker are good. I have a feeling that for many people who enjoy movies like this, they mistakenly believe that the way that the characters act is realistic, or is how people should act in an ideal world.
But another way to see it would be that a small group of very clever and manipulative people have infiltrated a major section of a specific part of society giving them access to the laws , guidance and propaganda of the MOST important part of society, the children, who after all are the future.
I find that the methods being used are akin to Goebbels and the Hiltler Youth.
But the tragedy is that movies are our modern version of legends. The legends that teach us what values are, what to strive for, what sacrifice is, and why it is necessary.
So now society is becoming this way BECAUSE of these movies. They have power that people don't recognize.
Yes that one major thing that art does. It is a mirror that is being held in front of our faces.
The "woman overcoming impossible odds being motivated by maternal instincts" is a great trope no-one uses anymore :/
Probably because it's "sexist, and demeans women", according to fucking 21st century
In Orwell's "1984" the Party used things like the Junior Anti-Sex League and turning children into informants against their parents in order to break down parental bonds and replace it with government obedience. It's an effective tactic, which is why Hollywood uses it.
@@Raskolnikov70 1984 isn't a story. It's a manual.
@HankBaxter yes, and they are following it to a tee.
Ripley went through hell and high water to rescue Newt. Then Weaver let them throw the girl away in the next movie because she wanted to end Ripley and insisted Ripley had to die.
THEN Weaver came back for a fourth film. Her reason? _"They offered me a truck load of money"_
Even an actress that brought one of the ideal female heroic characters to life sold out her own convictions. Thats the danger of a franchise and placing too much on a flawed actor.
It sucks that no one believes in character arcs anymore, especially if the protagonist is female. This type of writing is very telling of where we are as a society.
Then let's support people doing hour-long CONSTRUCTIVE Criticism
and reminding people how epic things once were:
Jay Exci did this heroic act for Doctor Who,
Madvocate did it for The Flash,
and Hbomberguy did it for Multiple Ones, even!
It’s not just female characters.
I have generally seen far more criticism and disdain for the direction that Hollywood has taken classics such as Star Wars, Ghostbusters, Aliens, Rocky, The Terminator, etc.
Sure there are groups of people that are "proud" of what Hollywood is doing, but they are certainly a minority.
These days lots of independent filmmakers are finally getting a shot because of the support that people give them. The decline of Hollywood will be a great thing even if it means having a period of readjustment while lousy writers, producers, etc. get a clue and move out of the way.
@@justme-ij2qy Yeah,
but CONSTRUCTIVE Crtiicms does get more popular nowadays,
which we should all jump on and support so hard the ground shakes.
@@justme-ij2qy Jay Exci covering Doctor Who, Hbomberguy covering RWBY and also Sherlock, and of course Madvocate covering The Flash.
Those are all big Criticism Essays.
"You know you'll never reach the same heights as them, so the only way to surpass them is to tear them down to your own mediocre level." Thank you for speaking this absolute truth. I've become so gun shy of even giving new versions of well-established characters a shot, having been disappointed, if not downright insulted by them time and time again. In fact, I've taken to re-watching the original films and T.V. shows depicting my childhood heroes and pretending the new abominations never happened, wiping them from my mind (Sarah Connor and She-Ra especially as my childhood female role models). Thank you for your channel, it's a huge breath of fresh air.
It's like someone walking into the Louvre, and seeing all the great masterpieces. Smashing everything with an axe while declaring "you have to let go of the past". And then painting a smiley face over the rubble.
female smiley face
some eco lunatics are doing that.
I dunno man, that would have an actually pretty powerful message about permanence, inevitabilty and nihilism. A lot of modern stuff is just shitting on it and walking away
How’d you sum up the plot of The Last Jedi so concisely?
Holds up electrical component.
"I ByPaSSeD tHe CoMPrEssOr!"
No you didn't.
You removed a relay conduit.
A compressor, compresses things. Typically, gasses and liquids. And depending on where it is installed, and the purpose of its compressing, if you removed a compressor, you have made a terrible, and possibly fatal error, and killed us all...
But good thing I'm a mechanic and know that compressors are not going to be in the cockpit of an aircraft. Fuses, relays, controls and monitors with miles of electrical wiring are all that you'll find there.
And also, good job. You removed a relay conduit, possibly either an inhibitor meant to keep voltage at a set rate of flow, or completely disconnected an important component from the rest of the system all together... You didn't fix the problem. You inherently made it worse because you didn't bother to splice or butt connect the wire lines together to ensure voltage continues through, Rey.
I hate the idea that by removing something from a craft or vehicle, inherently "Hollywood's" itself into correction and proper condition than it was when the item was installed. While yes, removing and REPLACING the item with a new component of the same design will fix the problem (probably). Removing something entirely and refusing to elaborate further on maintenance is not, in fact, maintenance. Its being a hairless monkey ripping things out for the sake of "looking smart".
I don't know why but I pissed out laughing when I read your comment. I only understood that she didn't fix shit and actually made things worse (I study law, not mechanics) but I was always wondering in films in general when they cut wires or remove something how the hell it is still functional.
Fantastic explanation
I mean, she _could_ have ripped out a relay that was powering a monostable Y valve, so once she cut power to it it would revert back to the default position and bypass a compressor somewhere by shunting whatever fluid was being compressed through a bypass duct.
Some nuclear reactor designs can do something along these lines with their primary coolant loop IIRC. If the pumps fail, they can be bypassed and natural circulation will provide _some_ amount of cooling.
I somehow don't think that's what the writers had in mind though.
As an aircraft electrician you are 100% correct. I cringed so hard at that scene... also, she would have shocked the shit outta herself while destroying whatever system that component when to. -from a wire chaser...
Hollywood writers are lazy as shit. They do no research into their scenarios. I'm a nurse and laugh whenever I watch characters do CPR and save someone because they don't do it right. Real CPR is very physically. In the movies it looks like they're just massaging the person's chest. Or doctors yelling "Give him 100mg of Ativan STAT!"
Yeah, you just killed your patient.
Fun fact: "deconstruction" is actually a more polite and rather long winded way of saying "destruction".
The difference in terms is that destruction produces corpses whereas deconstruction dissects it victims alive on the operating table. Organ harvesting is a lucrative business. But yes deconstruction reeks of euphemism
Not really. The problem is not deconstruction itself. The problem is that hacks like Rian Johnson, use the term as a shield against critisism of their garbage tier writing. G.R.R Martin's ASOIAF is a deconstruction of high fantasy tropes. That's like 90% of what made the early success of Games of Thrones.
Harry Potter features a pretty good deconstruction of the Chosen One trope. Harry wasn't chosen by fate, but by Voldemort, who's a narcisist of the highest calibre, and he assigned special meaning to a prophecy that could've refered to either of two boys, and Voldemort chose the one that resembled him more (both being halfbloods), despite his proclaimed belief in pureblood superiority.
Harry on the other hand didn't choose to oppose Voldemort because of the prophecy, but because he wants to protect others from loosing family the same way he did: at the hands of a madman.
Deconstruction is just a literary tool. It's all about how it's used, and by whom.
Haha
@@Verebazs well there’s deconstruction, which is when you take something apart and you have a bunch of usable parts, and then there’s destruction which is when you’ve broken the subject, the parts are no longer usable. You can deconstruct and then destroy something (take it apart, show all of the pieces, and then destroy the pieces) or you can simply destroy it. You can make the former work if done properly, in a series it can be fun to watch a character come apart at the seems, you’ll see them transform into something they weren’t but you can understand their transformation. Outright destroying something might get you a few cheap laughs but it won’t be good overall.
It’s the ‘critical method’ of Marx applied to the art of filmography. Marx called for the “ruthless criticism of everything.” This is the same inspiration for ‘Critical Race Theory’, for example. The Marxists will never rest until every part of our heritage and humanity is ashes. Resist them, and be children of the Light. God bless you all. 🙏🏼
The worst part about Luke is that the hermit lifestyle didn't necessitate a total change in character. Highly energetic, goal-seeking people like him often go into asceticism. If he had stayed in character, maybe even (gasp) smiled a little bit, it would have been palatable
Ive said this multiple times and I'll say it again.
The E.U did everything in the sequels way better.
Heck yeah, fate of the Jedi did an exiled Luke well
Like Yoda in Empire Strikes Back. But nope, gotta subvert expectations.
@@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn The EU was overall a better timeline. The main trio got to live into old age and had families, while Luke's Jedi Order didn't get purged. Of course, it had its problems, but it didn't completely destroy everything immediately like The Force Awakens did.
11:13 "Any fucking idiot with a hammer can destroy in minutes what a master artist took years to craft."
Brilliant.
For me *Terminator 2* was the last of the franchise. For those who haven't seen the special directors ending (*real ending); it's with older Sarah Conner, safe and optimistic in the park where she once had premonitions of destruction. John Conner (now Senator), pushing his daughter on a swing set. ♡
To think that had that tiny scene been in the final release, we would’ve never gotten any of the shitty sequels. 🥲
Nice to know that I wasn't the only one who thinks of this cut out scene. Sarah notes Michael Jackson turned 50 in that day.
Lol and imagine vanquishing everything they overcame in T2 with the opening of Dark Fate LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Hollywood hacks. Will ruin anything sacred for a dollar. This is why I write my own comics.
I thought terminator 3 was a decent effort not too bad
I really don't get the hate for T3 - the end really blew me away if you pardon the pun
"I bypassed the compressor."
"Kid, have you ever built a working starship, or just took apart junk you found crashed on the ground?"
"Um..."
"Do you even know what the compressor does, how it integrates with the part on this side and the part on that side?"
"Um...the intake system and the explosive chambers?"
"Right. But do you know what they do, and why a compressor is necessary, and therefore can't be bypassed?"
"Umm...no."
"Exactly."
Its my new headcannon now that the Mill Falc just blows up, destroyed by her idiocy and they die. And none of the rest of the movies happen.
Don't forget that she also magically knew how to FLY the Falcon having no prior training and after it had been sitting in a desert for thirty years. Didn't even have to charge the battery.
@@jimthar17 For her defense she was a scavenger retrieving electronics and other parts inside a crashed star destroyer. Maybe that's how she acquired some skills in that area.
@@ericlf3087 The almighty Jedi Master Ray does not need your defense.
so you completely missed the part where she knew from working with the yard owner that the compressor wasn't original to the falcon, and had been installed while she was there.
Does anyone remember Sarah Conner in the old Terminator movies? THAT'S what a badass female protagonist character arc looks like - very fragile in the start yet actually turns into an incredibly brave, strong and resourceful person. She's human, she's relatable. It's basically like the thing you talked about with Mulan, where the protagonist needs to overcome his/her shortcomings to teach people some valuable lessons while providing a good interesting story and a rolemodel. Not some boring bland superhuman with blatant plot armor and no relatability.
[Edit: LOL, I wrote this comment as soon as the first video was finished and I started watch this one. Thank you for mentioning Sarah Conner, I'm glad you agree with me she truly is one of the best action heroes - way more badass and with way more substance and personality than pretty much any modern protagonists no matter the gender]
Terminator is a work of genius. It's so good, on so many levels. T2 gets more attention, but the first one is an almost perfect film, I think.
@@danm5911 I fully agree with you.
T2 is honestly just a better big screen action movie, an easier experience you could say. T1 on the other hand I view as a much more dark, gritty and nightmarish movie. There's an atmosphere in T1 that kind of got lost in T2.
I totally understand why people say that T2 is a better movie though, and I would also say it's arguably a better action movie but in a way I actually prefer T1.
When people today think of a superintelligent AI destroying humanity they quickly get tired of it unless it got a very unique take (westworld season 1 is probably a good example) because it has almost become a cliché, but Terminator truly brought that idea to the mainstream - the movie(s) really put that idea into the public consciousness so much that many people automatically think of SKYNET when they imagine the worst case scenario in regards to AI research.
Whenever I introduce these films to a person who hasn't viewed it yet (most often because they just assumed it was yet another dumb action flick), they've always been taken aback by how clever and extremely high quality movies they really are - and that's even looking at it with a modern state of mind, imagine what it must've felt like to watch T1 in freaking 1984 when all this robot/AI shit wasn't as prevalent as now.
There's a very very good reason this franchise still has a strong fanbase even after they've tried really hard to exploit and destroy the franchise by releasing several low effort garbage money grabs. (although I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed T3 even though it's a completely redundant movie. Sure it's not T1 or T2 but T3 is IMO only being viewed as so bad because it's getting compared to two absolutely legendary movies that has had massive cultural influence. It's not a bad movie, it's just a totally unnecessary movie lol)
Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
@@uuuuNB I agree aboutT3. It's not terrible. They went a little too cartoonish at times, but the ending is great. The ending bumped it up from 2 stars to 3 stars, for me. But it certainly is inferior to the first two.
All the later attempts are garbage.
T1 is so good in part because all the characters, every one of them, reacts in a very believable way to what they know, or think they know. And the details of the backstory and the present day world are so well explained without ever getting bogged down. The two lead cops are great, as is the psychologist (that actor just died a few days ago...)
Plus, the cinematography is outstanding - I always love the club scene when he first targets her. Very well filmed.
Don't forget Ellen Ripley:)
While I mostly agree with the video, in the case of Creed I saw it that Rocky was in a rough patch of life, understandable when many of your loved ones have passed (though I agree the estrangement from the son was a weird rehash from Rocky Balboa), but what was cool was that it felt like Adonis needed Rocky to train him and that Rocky needed Adonis in order to find purpose again. Despite all his feats, Rocky's human, and that's one of the best things about him. Even he's entitled to rough patches.
"Any idiot with a hammer can destroy in minutes what a master artist took years to craft."
There's two ways I could take that.
That’s America from 2000, Trump tried to save us and that’s t how he became the public enemy by the media, now we are back on track of destruction
Just sad
Welp now what
@@sorenp1332 Narcissists like Covid-45 don't give a ph*uc about you. How blind or ignorant can a person be? Next thing you are going to tell us he is a good Christian - just like his buddy Epstein.
@@jeffreym.8957 covid hasn't killed enough people. that's the reality. doesn't matter if you thought you were going to die; this emotional sentiment is destroying healthy people's lives.
@UCxE4g5_jUmJ6hnxiSvXv1lw You got a severe case of TDS. Especially if you think Trump is responsible of Chinese Flu, and that he was friends with Jeffrey.
It really is a shame how modern Hollywood has ruined the term “Deconstruction.” A term that once meant “what are interesting logical conclusions of this trope” has devolved into “what are ways that we can make classics look like shit.”
Very true
Now deconstruction is a softer way to say destruction.
Deconstructivism is an academic mode of analysis that is supposed to be about disassembling obsolete paradigms to build new paradigms. The problem is that this is supposed to be a natural process, but it is being hijacked and artificially directed towards an unnatural path.
THIS. I think subversion and examination of tropes was cool, but this is literally deconstruction that mirrors philosophical deconstruction of the 60s. It ends in nihilism bc it never finds a way to build from the deconstruction, only use it as a way of taking apart to critique. Funny how the characters all become defeated or nihilistic...
@@AndreNitroX Not true and not a true definition of deconstruction. The internet is your friend here. Try the terms: Jacques Derrida or Semiotics. Deconstruction was a form of literary critical thinking that seperated and or explored the form and function of symbols, including text, in conveying meaning.
In art, decsonstruction is the rejection of traditional assumptions and conventions-admittedly an over-simplification but adecuate for the cmments on a YT video.
ugh, we were just talking about this with my boyfriend a few days ago, I get it that they want to "humanize" superheroes and make them more relatable and close to us, but them being unattaibable, unreachable, impossible to imitate is exactly why they were our heroes in the first place! we don't want just troubled people with superpowers, we want to have someone to look up to! Just look at what they did to James Bond....disgusting
Totally agree. If you look at todays superhero content, like The Boys, Young Justice, or He-man Revelations, all they seem to do is deconstruct the superhero genre and bring into this pit of depressing realism. Going so far as to fixate on personal drama and self loathing rather then being inspiring heroes who overcome their challenges. It seems more like they are trying tear it apart to the point where no one should want to be a hero or do anything relatively selfless at all.
@@JDog2656 Thats superhero movies, they've simply run through the gamut so have no CHOICE but to do that. Superhero comics ALWAYS had that, at least the better ones. The recent James Bond movies were about the best, they were so good that Pierce Brosnan is still pissed that they gave him adolescent garbage to work with rather than the scripts Craig got. James Bond for the most part had no character AT ALL. To the point where two decades of Roger Moore they are outright considered comedy. Dalton brought it back somewhat, but Brosnan really got nothing to work with, he still had female characters with ridiculous names.
However, you are most definitely speaking for just one kind of moviegoer. That was a quant historical idea to make them cartoon characters that we can't relate to. That changes with every generation. You can of course still find that, Captain America is famous for really having almost NO personality. To treat somebody like Thor, who has seen his entire planet destroyed in large part because of his own actions as making an Arnold Schwarzegger quip would be outrightly embarassing. And as a result his character is now discussed more than Downey.
But more importantly, with streaming services and CGI its now a whole new ballgame. Historically there was maybe four big movies a year, while action was always way too expensive to produce for television so there was virtually nothing there. And even in that case, shit like "Big Trouble in Little China" and crap like that always gets neglected as people look back and simply remember the two or three big movies to them.
That's why I love the episode of JLU "Flash and Substance". The Flash ends up learning of his villains' plan to kill him by talking to The Prankster like you would a friend.
The old Bond was disgusting. He was a murderer who did what he was told. And used and abused women.
@@GaiaShield you literally did not understand a thing from the great Bond movies. He's a spy, set on taking down world-ending evil and terrorism. And he didnt do any of the stuff you mentioned about women. Women were naturally attracted to a handsome able-bodied man, he didnt do anything wrong. And the new Bond is EXACTLY what you described old Bond as. New Bond is less on the spy side and more just the murderer side. You really did not understand a thing from the older movies.
My god... I cannot believe I haven't seen this series all this while. You, Sir Drinker, are right on the money. And you give me hope that my movies will (eventually) prove to find an audience that still likes "Setup and Payoff" while still reflecting the present (not an easy task). And if not, I'm totally happy to have them ready to show to a revitalized audience of sanity. AND I'M LEAVING... NOW... 🙃
Rey telling Solo how to fix his own ship was when I was 100% done with TFA and I closed my illegal stream.
yeah, why would a person who did odd jobs for the used spaceship dealer who made the bad mods on it know more about it than the guy who hadn't seen it in years, and spent the entire original trilogy not being able to fix it without help.
@@kenbrown2808 you're missing the point... Indeed why wouldn't she know, she knows everything else... Keep drinking that cool aid mate..
I paid $5 for my burned copy. I later spat in in the guys food.
I read TFA as The First Avenger and got confused about how Captain America was in space
@@Simon-gc6uf oh, yeah, the point is that you hate the Disney trilogy and it's all because Rey is a GIRL. nothing to do with the fact that disney didn't bother with such minor things as planning a cohesive story arc or writing decent dialogue.
Let's be real no characters are perfect except Mary Sue's who are the best characters everyone loves
People want flawed heroes? Well these ladies have the flaw of being TOO strong and skilled! That's relatable, right?
The sarcasm is strong with this one
I'm not sure if your being sarcastic, I'm hoping so.
There’s one error with that statement
Man, let’s make a new battle royale movie. I call it ‘Mary Sues vs Karens’
I'm sure others have commented on this before, since I am SO late to this particular party. But I wanted to comment on Linda Hamilton in T2. Holy hell she is physically amazing. In every shot of her, you can see that she clearly worked her ass off to become absolutely physically bad ass. Contrast this with Natalie Portperson who simply had the CGI folks build her guns for her post-production. I think this is another (among many) reason that modern movies suck. The actors just don't bother to try to actually inhabit the character they are supposed to be representing to the audience. Modern actors just don't care to put in the work to BECOME that character (well, except the male actors who bust their asses like crazy, I'm looking at you Chris Hemsworth!). Linda Hamilton clearly spent innumerable hours in the gym BECOMING Sara Conner. Natalie Portperson just showed up on set one day, spoke a few lines of crap, and walked off to let the CGI masters make her buff.
“The only way is to tear them down to your mediocre level” - Brilliantly put!!
This goes much deeper than recasting heroes as weak and inferior. The heroes represent us, the traditional audience.
yep, the left been doing this shit for over a hundred years. indoctrination through the arts.
They would rather everyone be limp wristed and submissive. It's easier to serve sludge to people who don't complain
That's because the masters of the world don't need the traditional audience to be brave, heroic, and optimistic anymore. They don't need soldiers anymore. They have combat drones now.
@@markdurham5348 don't like them, don't watch them. It isn't difficult. "The left" make up the most of the creative arts. If you want some sort of republican film, make one yourself and stop whining like a little girl
@@MiguelDLewis they don't want a brave, heroic or optimistic audience. Sheeple are more easily controlled. They want sexually confused children as an audience. It is kind of scary.
As a girl who remembers being seven years old and playing "Luke Skywalker on Hoth" when it would snow outside, I was genuinely so excited when I heard a female Jedi was going to be the hero of the new trilogy. And Daisy Ridley was magnetic as Rey, at least at the start. But then they went and gave her the Captain Marvel treatment, not letting her have any kind of arc or flaw or failure, and as if that didn't suck enough they also had to ruin every character I loved from the original trilogy just to make her look better by comparison (well, the male characters at least--you'll notice Leia is still in the fight and has actually been elevated to a sort of Jedi-adjacent force whiz when that was not, and didn't need to be, her strength before). Basically, I hate that I agree with you about Rey because I wanted to love her character and was so excited for her hero's journey, but Disney is the literal pits and ruins everything it touches. The simple fact is that they and the other woke cultists no longer believe the same things we all do about what makes someone a hero, so they can no longer make great stories about heroes.
They’re kids films and you’re an adult. The original Star Wars was slated by most older hollywood for characters lacking substance and a boring script.
Why does it even matter to you that the lead character was female? A good character is a good character. Introduction of identity politics into movies is a big part of this problem.
I can't even bring myself to watch the old Star Wars movies anymore because the damage Disney did can't be undone. Even the originals are no longer endearing now that I know everything was just moot from the start. They managed to kill the unkillable franchise.
@@theoriginaldylangreene Well I basically agree with you, I hate identity politics. I hate characters like Captain Marvel (whose entire personality is Girlboss™ Wahmin™) and you MUST think they're the most badass of everybody or you're a bigot. But I do usually like female characters more than male characters, assuming they're well written and not just vessels for wokeness. It's just personal preference, not something I'm trying to shove on anybody else.
@@281cu6 😂 fragile.
Drinker, I so appreciate all the work that you put into compiling and consolidating this information. We all feel it, even if we can't always put our finger on the reasons for our disappointment with modern movies and TV shows. I hope exposing these horrors will inspire reform among screen writers and executives, so good storytelling can shine through all of the agendas.
It also seems very interesting to me that a lot of these older characters are written like this, like 'don't worry about those older films, don't bother watching them, look what the characters are like in the end?' as well as the fetishisation of being young in our culture.
This "fetishisation" is nothing new and goes right back to the Boomers and their idiotic "never trust anyone over 30." We treated our elderly like shit and now it's all coming home to roost.
I hope these 'Why Modern Movies Suck' videos are shown in film school in the future so modern Hollywood isn't filled with poorly-written CGI fests made solely for the sake of pushing political agendas
Go and watch the previous one. He contradicts himself in the first few mins. He can't decide if he wants grumpy old characters or not
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I see you've seen the latest adaptation of the wheel of time by Amazon.
How many of you blue haired clones are there?
@@blahmcblahface3965 Aww, someone's butthurt
They all share the same template.
- original Hero is now bitter and useless suffering from amnesia unable to remember why they gave a damn in the past
- add new Hero that outshines old hero in every way and turns old hero into a clown
That psychology is messed up. You would think they want their new Hero to be liked for their own struggle and story not because they just dont suck as much as the downgraded original hero.
Lazy writing and worst of all, as you said, its making a mockery of the original Hero.
Just like wat they’re doing to Thor
Well yeah, but how then would they get the point across that hard work and self-determination are bad things, and that instant hero is a virtue, cuz not reality.
Rocky is not bitter and he certainly is not useless, seems that Creed really needed his wisdom, experience and friendship. That trend is certainly there in other films the Drinker talks about, but not Creed.
Don't forget, the new hero has to be totally unrelatable by being absolutely perfect.
Communism. Cultural revolution. Out with history, culture, knowledge, wisdom, in with feelings, instant gratification, hedonism.
The new heros didn't earn anything, they just are. They deserved it. The old sacrifice themselves for the new. Communism.
But what is communism? It's not what they say it is.
They did it with Han Solo, James Bond, in a way with Tony Stark (but at least he had an actual story). I certainly hope they don't do it with Indiana Jones.. but yeah, Hollywood is messing up bad
They already ruined Indiana Jones
It's sad too, because its completely possible to make a meaningful and compelling story about how even the best of us can falter or lose sight of what they believe in.
A lot of these examples had a chance to make a larger-than-life character slightly more human while still showing they could be a hero-- not in spite of, but because they faltered- and got back up to fight again.
Instead, what we get is just a character who has decided that everything that they stood for before was exactly what caused their problems to begin with-- and worst of all, they don't even struggle to accept it. Even this idea could make an interesting story if the character had to fight against their own nature to be true to their new values, but we don't get that either.
The hero is either reduced to a side character, killed off or in the worst case scenario bastardized to be a twisted parody of what they once were and each time it happens we slowly get numb to it until we feel nothing but APATHY.
I honestly think that's the goal. Apathy. A world filled with tired, uncaring people who merely accept whatever is done to us without question or resistance. Humanity reduced to soulless automatons who exist only to serve the elite.
@@Evil0tto for real, the current state of movies is a far cry from plots like the gladiator which encouraged people to rise up by sheer willpower in spite of their hardships. Now it's simply just bitching about slight inconveniences and if the hero succeeds it's typically by luck alone
That's what they want though. They want us to not care about anything. I like cd's take. Fuck off movie. Anger and disgust are way better than apathy.
Like a Sith once said: “Apathy Is Death.”
Don't forget "All of the above"...
This demolition, not just of historical icons and artifacts, but of the archetypes as well, makes me think of the Cultural Revolution under Mao. “I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”
It reminds me of the Buddhas of Bamiyan
More like Mao if Mao was an expert gaslighter.
I've been saying this for a while now. It's an deliberate attack on western culture
It's mirroring what's going on in the West. The young are tearing down the old heroes, such as Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Churchill, while trying to replace them with minor characters from history or deleting their achievements entirely.
Make no mistake, that is truly what this is all about. The deconstruction of all our cultural icons is happening in a very real way for a very real purpose
Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda, Mickey Goldmill (Rockys trainer), are all old and past their prime, but all still able to get the best out of people because they are great motivators, they are not sad old bitter men, they may have been worn out and tired, but they have a rebirth and are rejuvenated by encouraging the younger generation and remembering their past. Old heroes don't have to be portrayed as losers, they still have a lot to give, and years of experience and knowledge to pass on. Wisdom and experience are very important.
In Vino Veritas. Thank you, Critical Drinker, for crystalizing and articulating the insights and phenomena that so many of us have sensed on an intuitive level, but haven't been unable to put into words. Cheers!
Rocky: Remember, he LOST ... and it wasn't even his GOAL to win! "I can't beat him ... I ain't even in this guy's league ... It don't matter cause I was nobody before ... It really don't matter if I lose this fight. It really don't matter if this guy opens my head either. So all I want to do is go the distance. Nobody's ever gone the distance with Creed, so if I can go that distance, seeing that bell ring and I'm still standing, then I'll know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood." THAT moment won the movie an academy award ... and that's the Rocky they erased in Creed.
You really think that rocky got erased in creed?
I disagree. Sometimes life breaks you. Makes you forget who you were. Mentoring Adonis helped Rocky remember his younger self.
Absolutely!!!👏
I have to disagree as well. Rocky’s personality was as the Drinker described when he had his rock by his side: Adrian. Her death would shake someone to their core, like how people lose their religious faith in the face of the death of a child or spouse. It’s not unreasonable for Rocky to want to checkout after being diagnosed with cancer. Especially considering how he explains that the cancer treatment Adrian received did nothing but make her sicker and die sooner. Every man has a breaking point. Rocky was all alone, save Creed. Not unreasonable at all IMO.
@@jasonbosch8135 exactly right. Just look at Rocky 2. He was barely training and given up until Adrian told him to win. Rocky 3, he was again struggling with the training until his talk with her on the beach got his resolve back. Rocky 4 “I’m with you no matter what”. Gave him the drive to keep pushing forward. Meanwhile Drago began to doubt himself “he is like a piece of iron” and all the help he got was “our people cheer for him you idiot. Win”
Adrian was Rocky beating heart. He was never going to be the same without her
What they did to Luke legitimately broke my heart.
The more i see it the more justifying my hatred towards those parasites feels
Mine to. As such I will never forgive LF or Rian for what he did. I could have written a better script. At least I wouldn’t have used a rough draft.
And… the Mandalorian Season 2 happened. It was the way. 👍👍👍👍💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Luke is the ultimate Jedi protagonist.
I actually hold Mark Hamill responsible for it to a certain degree, if he hadn't agreed to it I don't see how they could have gone ahead. He willingly participated in the destruction of one of the most iconic characters he or any other actor has ever created. Was he in that dire need of money??
I love your analysis of these adventure movies. I knew something about recent incarnations of these movies bothered me but I was never quite certain what it was. Your analysis is spot on and I now understand what was driving me crazy. Good job.
This guy does EXCELLENT, detailed, OBSERVANT character analysis.
WELL!
DONE!
Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven" was textbook example of deconstruction of western genre and whole Eastwood's acting career in some sense. Showing what it really takes to go around killing people and where you end up as former hired gun, full of regret and despair. But characters also were treated with respect, yeah they made mistakes and slowly fading away, just as their time, but they really were once great and still got it, if you push them hard enough. THAT is deconstruction. But what modern coprorate fools (like Jar-Jar Abrams in particular) is just parasitism.
Once again i meet you in a place one would least expect.
I was going to post almost the exact same thing, using Unforgiven, but also the Terrance Mann character in Field of Dreams. It *is* kind of a cliche -- the young idealist turned into a cynical older person -- but those examples are to illustrate a truism (people can change as they age), while these are just to slam the old heroes in order to elevate the new (inferior) ones.
Unforgiven subverted expectations without denigrating the Western film genre or belittling the fans.
Gregory "Pappy" Boyington was a WWII fighter pilot, Medal of Honor recipient and the highest scoring USMC ace of all time. He had a favorite saying "Show me a hero and I'll show you a bum." He used it to make the point that all people (especially himself), no matter how heroic their actions or accomplishments may be, are still flawed, mortal, and human. I think this was in response to most movies of the period, especially wartime movies, which elevated the "Hero" to a point where he was unimpeachable and without flaw. The truth is something much different.
Modern movies have taken this idea to the other extreme and seem to delight in wanting to show us that those who we looked up to in the past are SO flawed and anti-heroic as to make us wonder "what was I thinking?" And as Drinker pointed out, they try to replace that hero with another who represents something much more palatable to the writer's or studio's political or social agendas.
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered." - 1984
I would love to see The Drinker Recommends Unforgiven ....
The old saying: "If you can't beat them, join them."
Hollywood version: "If you can't beat them, shit on them, then replace them."
I think that's the point of Hollywood now, everyone wants to hire young actors hoping to cash in on a new generation, they rather hire young crappy actors instead of older talented ones just cause they hope it does well and can keep making money
@@jae7349 It would work better if some actorss wouldn't say that X people shouldn't watch the movie(s) and the stories would be good in the first place. I mean a good amount of old actors being hired is to get people into the cinema cause Y person is in it, story is still shit but hey Y is there! If you give no fuck about the audience (old and new) you will get bitten and new 'big names' will have fans that don't need much to be happy.
As you pointed out with Sarah Connor: a hero is allowed to become bitter and disillusioned because of course that happens to people, but they need to recover from this, and find their heroism again as Sarah did in T2, not be morally Worf'd by a Shiny New Written By Marketing Committee Hero. And that recovery should not come at their expense, either, like what happened to Han Solo.
Luke did exactly that in "Jedi"
at least we still get the comic book version of him.
I think quite a lot of people have realised that this is intentional.
It's the same energy as toppling statues.
The statues weren't heroes
@@robertwilson214 the people pulling them down weren't heroes
@@DiminutiveJerry if you pull down the statues of slavers and Dickensian robber barons you're obviously a hero.Not too complex(if you use independent thought,that is)
Why do the public think the statues were heroes and the people pulling them down weren't? Cos they don't think,they were told what to think.
Yeah. Like how Netflix is "fixing" the "problematic" aspects of Cowboy Bebop.
Like? Seen the first 3 episodes and it seems like a faithful reconstruction of the original to me. Maybe TOO similar. Feels like I have seen these episodes before.
@@boyfromoz7 They literally said it themselve
@@boyfromoz7 Watch the original again, they put it on netflix. Tho the storylines may be ripped from the anime, the writing, acting, and directing in the new one are all completely different and completely shit.
Live action Cowboy Beebop feels like bad cosplay
@@boyfromoz7 have you seen Faye? That's just the tip of the intersectional iceberg.
"When your idols crumble, you yourself become weaker." - Fredrick Nietzsche
Possibly the most relevant comment in this thread. Are these films, and our culture, the subject of poor writing or is this a well thought out process of mass demoralisation?
@@fightersweep Por que no los dos?
@@fightersweep They are taking out gender, hierarchy, degrees of right and wrong. Taking out cultural points of reference is only a logical measure in between all that.
So become an idol for others.
@@kylekatarn5964 Solo porque a veces se siente tan deliberado.
You are frickin brilliant. I want to add this comment to all of your videos because they are all brilliant. What you are talking about I'm feeling for years, watching movies with the feeling of wasting my time mostly. Got rid of TV a long time ago, but still try to give movies a chance every once in a while, feeling like I wasted my time 98% of the time. Thank you for doing this, for the reminders, and for inspiring me to drink more:)
yooooo its so cool to see a clip from the 2002 version of count of monte cristo! one of my all time favorites. even if it was just a super short shot. ive watched it so many times that i would recognize that drunk walking down the street any time
One of my favourite character moments for Sarah is in t2. When she is running away from the orderlies at the hospital, really calm and collected and then she sees Arnie. She instantly flips and starts running the other direction towards the orderlies in a panic.
Your action characters can still be badass and human at the same time.... who knew?
Human indeed! Makes me think the humbleness and humility Rocky showed towards Apollo during the press conference in the sequel. You don't really see scenes like that anymore.
It was also a carry-over from the first movie. Reese is a tough as nails soldier, but he's also plagued by past trauma as seen by multiple flashbacks and has trouble emotionally connecting with people like when he was ashamed to admit his feelings for Sarah. For as much as a d**k as Cameron apparently is, he knew how to add depth to characters. Too bad he forgot all that by the time he wrote Avatar.
@@fattiger6957 the money he got from Titanic is what ruined him. Rather than telling a compelling story, he went for low hanging fruit, the quick and easy buck pushing the same old shit with a fancy new CGI wrapper. Movies came of age in 1977, and died an inglorious death by 1990.
T2 and Aliens does that VERY WELL. Badass, yet motherly. It's almost like these characters were thought of as actual complex human beings :O
@@fattiger6957 I really like the subtly made point that neither the t800 nor the t1000 ever really fall under suspicion but Kyle immediately sticks out like a sore thumb, the machines are human enough to come off as weird but not suspicious, they keep to themselves and offer responses that are calculated enough to make them seem like introverts. While the humans of the future are so scarred that they don’t fit in, and they have emotional responses in social situations that make them stick out even more.
You forgot one point about Han Solo.
At the end of return of the jedi, he is completely selfless. He thought that Leia would go with Luke, so he did all of that without expecting a reward or anything.
Exactly
True,but still dont justify their actions with the character,nobody wants more aged "Han Solo's"
Good f*cking point man
I love you. I know.
It's a shame that films today seem to want to destroy our heroes.
Just like they destroyed Luke Skywalker.
Star wars explained this to our faces and we're not paying attention "Let the Past die, Kill it if you have to" - Kylo Ren
When did it become controversial or unpopular to have a hero just be a hero? Anti heroes and vigilantes have their place, but heroes should too.
Personally I think anti heroes and modern vigilante like heroes are just whiny, unfulfilling and overrated shells of actual heroes. I liked it better when the worthy hero earns his stripes
The hero story is an ancient successful entertainment. But modern progressives think anything older then 3 years ago need to be left in the past. And we see how they can't seem to create anything so get ready for a future of horrible entertainment.
Aaron Garrett I don’t know. If anything heroes bring heroic teaches a good lesson that it is hard to be good but it is right because taking the easy way seldom pays off. Luke Skywalker taught me that. No matter what crap he went through he wouldn’t break. No matter what. It’s why I despise TLJ because not only did it make him a coward and a fool but it didn’t even have the decency to show us. Contrast this with Peter B Parker a worn hero who still gives it his all and doesn’t go back on his beliefs.
I actually like the moraly ambiguous charachters but yea, I feel like I hadnt seen a proper hero (or a good anti hero) in a wheile now
@@gravitatemortuus1080 "But modern progressives think anything older then 3 years ago need to be left in the past." LOL this reminds me that wanting the "better days" of past decades such as the 50's or 60's made you a "conservative". Now you are a "conservative" if you want the "better days" of the previous year.
You have the incredible ability to put into words what we are all thinking.
Man I sure wasn't thinking it before but I am bow
That's power of alcohol.
@@jacobs1834 I get why you're afraid. The way of the whiskey leads to many abilities some consider to be...unnatural.
Pretty sure a lot of people don't agree with him on Creed. Didn't Sylvester Stallone write BOTH????
Yes he does. But I wish he would stop that annoying fucking laugh he has
I have noticed a burgeoning community behind DnD and other tabletops, and I am starting to wonder if the hero-starvation (literally a cultural eschewing of and almost aversion to heroes and looking up to them) we are enduring right now in entertainment media is one of the main reasons why it is growing in popularity.
"If I can't have characters I can look up to without being destroyed at some point afterwards, then I will make my own and I will not let it happen to them."
People crave heroes because they remind us of what capable, secure, responsible people are supposed to be like, even despite their flaws, and they're supposed to have them lest they be a dA fanfic Mary Sue.
Hell, my DnD character is such a badass and such a force for good in a mere fantasy game, yet she feels more likable, real, and in-depth than anything I have seen in a movie or TV. I am not even that good of a character writer, yet my "writing" seems to trump even the highest budgets in show-biz writing.
When I started DnD, I was taught evil PCs don't work very well in a campaign, and I think that's a good metaphor here. I think if you're thoughtful, you can pull it off, but yeah, there's a reason most campaigns are about fighting wicked creatures, righting wrongs, and saving people instead of destroying the world or just... living in isolation and going about your day. No campaign starts with a refusal of the call to adventure, a bleak acceptance of defeat, or an unwillingness to help someone in need. It's the aspiration to do something greater, to rise above the ordinary, to ensure good triumphs over evil.
Your ability to write eloquent, interconnected stream of thoughts to clearly show how devastating shitty writing can be is a masterpiece in of itself. I’d rather watch this video 10 more times than watch an episode of Batwoman 😂
I think the intention of the "diversity" people is to undermine 'the hero's journey' wherever it's found (comics, movies, books, etc.). Can't have people believing that confronting life's challenges in spite of the universe's indifference to our existence/struggle is heroic. Runs counter to the idea that the only way to gain status is to hold the 'oppressor group (devil)' accountable for everything holding you back in life. If you feel empowered by watching a character overcome some obstacle by making themselves better, it will shatter the idea that your fate is tied to your victimization. Women (Rey) wouldn't need anybody else if only the patriarchy (emporor) would stand aside. They're already perfect people, just as they are, it's the system that's to blame for their failure.
The proper way to deal with adversity in your life now is to turn to the government and ask it for gibs.
If i wanna go back in time to fix my mistakes is undermining the hero journey?
Yeah sadly that's the mentality of the majority today. People are so arrogant and self righteous that they really do believe they are perfect and entitled to everything they desire, that if there is a problem it isn't their fault but rather the fault (as you have said) of the system. The most sad part of it all is that this mentality is being encouraged through media, film and upbringing across the west.
THEY WERE GOD MASTERPIECE
GOD IS NOT HAPPY WITH HOLLYWOOD
It’s the elevation of victimhood. All protagonists must be a victim AND hero.
A female main character must be strong and independent yet also oppressed and marginalized, somehow.
I see two major problems. An overreliance on nostalgia to make money, and the assumption modern audiences cant handle any deep or controversial ideas. So the film and TV industry craps out weak, soft, safe versions of people who used to know and love.
Or hero worship was something most of us outgrew right out of grade school. And those fans that hate today's cartoonist corporate hero bullshit understand what world cinema lovers thought of the trend of blockbuster hero movies to begin with.
I like Dave Chapelle's take on it - "Twitter isn't real". When Hollywood is paying attention to what their audience is telling them (as opposed to just plowing ahead with their marxist agenda) they're listening to a tiny sliver of society that consists of insane, very vocal extremists. They assume the crazies represent their audience, then scratch their heads when they lose tens of millions of dollars on a film because nobody wants to see it, even though they "listened to the fans".
Nostalgia might seem like a cheap way to go, but it's not a problem, not even when used in excess. To the contrary, people prefer to watch something they recognise, just as long as it's respectful and transformative.
This is why comedians (who are some of the last artists who still take chances) are under fire.
@@NateGerardRealEstateTeam 🎯 Hit the nail on the head.
Superb mate.
Best thing I've seen for ages.
Cheers
I've used "deconstruction" for my own writing. For example- what if the mentor character had no care for their student's well-being, and just put them through horrific, meaningless training exercises? But what is deconstructed has to be put back together into something substantial. In the above example- does the hero change? In what direction? Do they see the abuse for what it is and escape? Do they confront the mentor they once trusted, calling out their lies? I wrote this very scenario, and saw my hero come out stronger- not because of the training itself, but because of the stronger bonds he forged with the people who helped him, and his courageous defiance of a man who never cared for his safety.
All of that being said, deconstructions are not something you can do willy nilly with any character. Once you've established them and their character arc is completed, they can't be deconstructed. Smashing a regular stone and making a mosaic from the pieces is one thing, but taking the hammer to a finished art piece- as mentioned in this video- is another. The three examples in this video are not deconstructions. They're out-and-out character assassination. They decay the legacy characters to make the new guard seem more capable. There's no reason or care to rebuild. So we're left with bitter, soulless shells with only the names of iconic heroes- all to pull in a few more ticket sales.
TL;DR- The people in Hollywood using the word "deconstruction" don't even know what it means, and that you must rebuild what you have destroyed.
"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own" - J. R. R. Tolkien
- a real quote from Tolkien
Darn right. And THAT is why Tolkien was one of my major inspirations for 'Diamond Dragons'. No joke.
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:) And that's the correct quote too.
A perfect describion for post-modern bullshittery, and it's defiling of every immutable principles and rules.
I feel that is even more accurate for the Amazon released bs series Lord of the rings.
@@DemonOfEndor :) I think it's accurate for pretty much anything released recently. I wonder who is behind all this - China?
One thing I’ve learned about great characters is this: They’re flawed and make mistakes. No one is perfect. We’re all human beings who mess up
That makes rey not a human at all
But when they're female...
Well actually, the first replyer has probably made quite a few mistakes in life.
Or in shorter version - they are us.
@@lazyman7505 Is anyone else getting sick of "the one" trope? Why does the savvier always need to be "the one"? Why can't it just be some one or a group of normal people fighting for what is right. This is what made Star Wars great. A simple farm boy set off to avenge the murder of his family and rescue a princes. Unfortunately, the muppet movie known as Return of the Jedi ruined that.
I know "I'm am your father" was from Empire, but if I am not mistaken the confirmation did not come until ROTJ. It would have been a far better story if Vader did what bad guys do and lied.
"This is one of the most disgusting hallmarks of modern screenwriting: the denigration of the past in a desperate attempt to elevate the present, the bastardization of other people's work to service your own; any fucking idiot with a hammer can destroy in minutes what a master artist took years to craft" - Absolutely spot on Critical Drinker! Finally someone has clearly articulated all this heinous retconing all our favorite hero's and beloved IP's; and when this video was made, they hadn't yet gotten their grubby hands on Tolkien, now they're destroying that too...in the meantime, I'll raise a glass to you, Cheers!
2:44 i immediately thought of the face melt from the lost ark imposed in this scene. Brilliant video though, you’re dead on about everything
"Because you know you can't never reach the same heights as them, so the only way to surpass them is to tear them down to your mediocre level" - beautiful quote from the drinker
There's always a one stand out quote that efficiently summarizes the whole idea of these videos.
The common theme among all character destructions? They are whyte.
Nah, not really. It's just him being mad that the "Perfect flawless heroes" of his youth aren't treated like living Gods anymore.
@@ShadowSonic2 Luke Skywalker wasn't flawless. Sarah Conner wasn't flawless. I haven't seen all the Rocky movies but I don't get the feeling he was flawless either. The difference is these characters overcome their flaws in ways that make sense and show growth in their characters, which is something we don't get in series like Disney's Star Wars.
@@ShadowSonic2 please don't project, those characters are far from perfect. They all had human flwas, which was enjoyable to watch.
@@user-dm4hk8me3n By the end of the OT, Luke was indeed a "Incorruptible Flawless Hero who could do no wrong". Which is why the OT Fans were mad the Sequels weren't all about him.
Sarah would be called a Sue if she came out today.
Rey was always going to be crapped on, for the unforgivable sin of not being Luke.
All of these parallels made me realize just how bad "The Last of Us Part 2"'s writing is, completely dumped all over Joel and retconned his plot just to make Abby look better but she has so many flaws in writing, she tells Owen after the God awful boat scene that "she cares about the people who save her" not even two weeks later she murders Joel 30 minutes after he saves her life.
Facts. I'm glad that you mentioned that game, I was delighted with the first one.
nah man she clearly cared enough to beat the living shit outta Joel LOL
I always disliked Joel as a character, and even I thought that was fucked up. Like bruh, seriously?
That said, at least some games don't go this route. Terminator Resistance, Star Wars Fallen Order, and Halo Infinite are modern games but celebrate and reconstruct the core essence of their franchise
That's why when one Japanese game article wrote about TLoU2 and said it's a game about being wrong, written about people who think they're always right hit the nail on the head. Cuckman went so far up his own asshole he set up a flower shop and refuses to think the smell is shit. If that game needed anything, it was an editor.
TLOU2 was such a huge disappointment, I was actually fully prepared to buy a PS4 very late in it's life just to play this game...... Then the leak happened.
Thank god someone within Naughty Dog had the balls to do this, it saved me a small fortune.
I played the first game several times, bought the DLC & really enjoyed that too.
How Neil Cuckman thought he could kill off Joel in such a terrible way (& I mean terrible as in poorly written) & suffer no repercussions from fans is beyond me.
Also, why would anyone watch the upcoming TV series now, knowing what's coming for Joel's character?
The one good thing about all this "deconstruction" is that it emphasizes how the originals were so much better than the sequels.
I wish could be as articulate as you. You are not just a poet but a philosopher. Love your work, Brother-
This also can apply to Mulan as well. The reason I love the original Mulan so much is because she proves them all wrong. She works hard to get ahead. She never gives up. She is out of her debt in the beginning but because she doesn’t give up and gives it her all, she gets ahead. Her journey is remarkable.
But in the new movie, she’s strong off the bat and doesn’t have to work hard to get ahead. Her arc is just that she has to hide her strength and Chi abilities. She doesn’t grow. She doesn’t have a character arc. She’s just nothing now.
She used to be this epic model of a hero and now she’s nothing.
I agree, Original Mulan was an endearing character that used her wit, leadership to overcome and save her father. Plus she was matched with unique support characters to work as a team to save ancient China.
New Mulan, was an oppressed, superpowered Merry Sue that relied on her magical superpowers to 'Lone Wolf' her way to obvious success.
In the original Chinese legend, her father had already given her significant military training so she was already very strong
@@kermufflekerfuffle5329 interesting, but did the legend talk about her having pre existing super Chi powers????
@@mygtr2021 true, she didn't. She was just badass
The original Mulan is my favourite Disney movie ever.
"I bypassed the compressor!"
"..."
*SHIP BLOWS UP*
that joke never gets old
"I bypassed the Hero's Journey!"
AUDIENCE BLOWS UP
I would have been okay with her 'fixing the ship' if Han said 'Yeah you fixed the ship right now but that engine is going to stop working in exactly 20 minutes'
That might have even given her a half interesting character arc, overconfident character used to being alone and making decisions keeps trying to take charge, mucks things up and learns to appreciate and care about other people and their experience, and Han would have been the perfect person to help her since he was once similar
Yeah, some engineers or mechanics would know there's a reason something is being compressed, so either the engine is going to fail, or the ship is going to operate unexpectedly. To me it would be similar to bypassing the fuel injector or the turbo of a vehicle, both things that improve performance through compression and by bypassing them could only make them slower or cost you fuel. Heck, an engine compresses fuel and air to move the car, so bypass that and you'd be dead in the water. Try bypassing the compressor for an paint gun and see how that works out.
....space ships have lots of worthless compressors that can be bypassed...
I think the question is *why* there seems to be this rising trend of destroying the 'hero' status of these beloved classic characters. Why are we seeing this rejection treatment? There are always reasons why a certain trend is popular in a culture's movies. It's almost like at this moment in time, we don't believe in our own potential to rise above like they once did, so we feel the need to bring them crashing back down to earth.
Ironically it's the times of struggle when the heroes appear in mass culture. They get demolished in times of overt and prolonged stability when there's no need for them to divert attention from reality. Also, they get demolished when the forces of evil infiltrate and start controlling the culture, riding it of its heroes and symbols to better control the populace. Sometimes the two reasons converge.
There’s a lesson here about writing already established characters you touch on that reminds me of Plague of Gripes’ words as follows: “If your character completes their arc, and you still want to use the character, what do they do?”. It reminds me of how you were talking about Han Solo from Force Awakens. They HAD to make Han revert back to his old ways by the very nature of having a reboot. When you re-adapt a character from a different era or franchise, you’ve got to give them something to do other than just the superficial portion of their part in the plot. You need to give them a new character arc to work with or new material to develop upon which often means repeated their ORIGINAL arc, often leading to an Accidental Aesop.
Killing John Connor and invalidating two of the greatest movies of all time just so they can have a girl save the world is exactly why feminism has become such a negative word.
It's a good thing fan-fiction isn't canon!
In my book, LoK invalidated much of ATLA. ATLA was a masterpiece. LoK should be purged from existence.
@Western Resonance
Goddamn commies…
@@rickoshay5525 In my book, LoK is not perfect, but is nowhere as bad and disrespectful to the original like other modern stories and entertainment.
Among other things, the main character Korra is *NOT* a Marry Sue. She is constantly getting her ass beaten both physicaly and emotionaly by her enemies and the world she is trying to protect. She is in need of advice from her masters and predescesors, like Aang, Katara, Tenzin, Iroh, Tonraq, Unalaq (who she is betrayed by), Toph, and even Zaheer, who almost killed her. He paralyzed her and she had to use a wheelchair for three years and also got PTSD. Korra is a character specially crafted to be the opposite of Aang, she is thrown into a new, more coplex world with great bending abilities and the belief that everyone would love her for that, but she has to learn through failure after failure that punching and throwing rocks at people does not make her a good Avatar. By the end of the series she has suffered A LOT, gained wisdom and grown as both an Avatar and a person.
That would not be the case if she was a Mary Sue.
It's been a negative word since liberated women rowed away from their husbands and children to save their own skins when the Titanic sank and then cried about how they were the victims.
"Bypassed the compressor."
*She says as she just yanks something out of the wall while the ship is in mid-light speed jump, potentially causing a system failure that could result in the ship exploding since she's never worked on Y-1300 freighter before.*
"The garbage will do."
She apparently worked on it before but you know what? Instead of saying “Bypassed the compressor” have her say excitedly that she remembers where that fat alien guy placed a fail safe in his ships if they get stolen.
When I saw that all I could think is someone saying they bypassed the compressor on a jet engine. In other words bypass the blades that slow and compress the gas enough to be useable.
@@spartanonxy Seriously, you cant just rip out Airplane parts and expect to run smoothly and especially not when you are dealing with a airplane meant for space that can travel millions or thousands of light years in just a minute.
@@Predator20357 I know that is my point. All I was thinking is well those idiots are dead.
“Not darth Vader” is such a fitting name for ren
Love how you described the subtle transformation of Han Solo during the original trilogy, spot on!!!
Harrison Ford is blessed by having brought to life one the most exciting and captivating characters in a fictional story ever, whilst bein the leading man or one of the leading men of a major franchise at the same time. AND HE DID IT TWICE!!!!
and he helped destroy the same beloved characters(Indy & Solo)later in his career for a paycheck...
The reason why writers are turning our heroes into old, bitter, cynical, toxic, miserable people; because that is what the writers themselves have become. They were promised the world without learning of the hard work and determination that it takes to reach one's goals. Now those people have to tear everyone else down to give themselves any meaning in their lives. They don't have the talent or life experience to create anything new.
I'm loving this series so far. I'm looking forward to the next episode.
They write what they know?
@@MrHawger yeah basically. They cannot separate their reality from their work.
Probable.
Or they're simply slaves doing anything for money.
Like most people.
No, they are doing it because they have a political agenda to destroy white people's culture.
@@jessesinclair3861 It's not European culture. It's ' ' ' hollywood ' ' ' products of USA Corp.
Disney should be ashamed of themselves for doing Star Wars like that
They won't be, because that was their goal.
@@Loth440 correct,
You have to have INTEGRITY, MORALS and a CONSCIENCE to be "ashamed". People who think MEN MENSTRUATE, have none of those so........
@@Shade23753 Hemaphrodites exist, you buffoon.
Instead they're proud
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I think one of the most frustrating aspects of this trend is that if it were done carefully and well, with the right characters, it could be interesting. Look at why and how they've fallen so far, and what must be done to redeem them. To restore their lost hope and strength of will. But instead, this is just breaking their knees so that it's easier for the new 'heroes' to step on them.
Luke's drastic character change hit me the hardest. How could someone we follow from beginning to end just turn into some grumpy old man. I imagined him to be something of a legend, but then I saw him and he looked just as ragged as an LA homeless bum.
Same way Yoda went from the badass Jedi Master we saw in the Prequels to the sadsack he was in the OT where he barely did anything.
@@ShadowSonic2 He has most iconic memorable life lesson lines in empire strikes back.....i don't remember Anything from prequels except him jumping like he drank 5 red Bulls on empty stomach.
To be fair though, real life is full of people who were heroes and were eventually ground down by reality. While the films mentioned have shat on their legacy, people getting old and cynical is a thing.
@@doctorsatansrobot And that's why we watch movies..to escape from sometimes dark depressing reality...we want to get some hope from our Heros (Luke Skywalker) not watching him die because he's too tired.
I've still not watched Rise of Skywalker and never will because of what they did to Luke. Absolutely unforgivable and it made no sense for his character. It's like nobody involved in the script ever watched Star Wars before ever.
Listening to you breakdown the character failures of Han and Luke really brought it all back to me, so sad what Disney reduced them to. I will never forgive them for this.
Me neither.
I completely refuse to put Disney’s Star Wars movie in the same saga as Lucas movies.
They had a wide open canvas with plenty source material and history and practically unlimited resources to make the ultimate trilogy that we could all enjoy and spend our money on. Instead they sunk a ton of money into hot, messy garbage and slapped the logo on it expecting us to blindly love it anyway.
After the first two movies, I never bothered to watch the third one. SW is ruined for me
@@jerronames6156 Anakin, Yoda, and Padme's characters were not "reduced" in the prequels.
Wow, absolutely brilliantly and eloquently put, this video has been very insightful.
Another crime of Disney with Star Wars is to have discarded all that existed before, books and games. They always had a place in the Star Wars universe but not in Disney's plans.
I remember as a kid fighting with a heart disease in the hospital that I drew courage and inspiration from the stories I watched, to keep going on despite the odds and to not give up, to have courage in the face of fear, and to not let your bad situation become your identity. My dad and I watched the Star wars OT together, as well the OG star trek series, and when I was a bit older Alien and the Terminator as well. Imagine being a kid who needs inspiration with nobody to introduce them to those older stories, with only modern cinema available instead. Can't imagine that being any inspiring...
Most people would be demoralized into hopelessness....Which is probably these Hollywood leftist types goal. They think it makes a more pliable human being when really it will just make people drag along doing the minimum until they die
@@Sentinel82 it's really hard not to go all Alex Jones about it, but I do doubt it's any conscious effort. It's just aimless groupthink, really. They think they're doing what the people around them want them to do, and as par of that will shame those who aren't doing the same. It's a social phenomenon, not a political conspiracy. People with little self awareness or insight.
Wow your story is so emotional because you are right
Can't imagine being the young kid trying to help inspire their elders, while at the same time, in the same film, the elder is practically a punching bag and is portrayed as outdated and pointless, weak and depressed, and incapable of functioning anymore because "time".
@@Sentinel82 That is what I do not like about Hollywood. They think the most 'artistic' movies are one's that are depressing, and they don't make inspiring and heroic movies about overcoming life's challenges anymore and shame you for liking genuinely inspiring and heroic movies.
The only modern update that has worked is Cobra Kai. It's because it honored the characters, rather than tear them down. Showed optimism that old failures can become avatars for future success, and that the story will go on, and that you can blend new with old, without dishonoring the old.
I'd give props to Ghostbusters: Afterlife for this as well. Although there was resentment among the old team, they're treated with reverence by the newer characters.
(SPOILER BELOW)
Even Egon (who at first is treated with resentment by his daughter) is shown to be selfless and heroic all along. He gave up everything to save the world.
Yes! that's the perfect example. Johnny starts off at the bottom but he slowly rises up when he becomes a mentor. The character never contradicts himself and even stands by everything he did in the old movie. They DON'T tear him and Daniel down to elevate the new characters. Cobra Kai is genius and a rarity in this time period.
@@Evil0tto Correct, I agree.
Also was a cash grab and way to promote YT Red. Was fun but also what was the point, just a cash grab. Plenty of new stuff gets made today, just gets overshadowed by remakes cause they have all the money.
@@joaquinsandoval5370 One of my favorite parts is how Daniel turned out exactly how you'd expect. Successful, honorable, family man, but still a little bit of a hot head and rash, just as he always had been. He's got some of Miyagi's tendencies, but he is NOT Miyagi. Which also solidifies just how special Miyagi really was, and keeps him in that sort of 'Untouchable' range.
I'd love to see them do a prequel series about young Miyagi. He lived a hell of a life before he ever met Daniel.
3:30 😂😂😂😂😂 I can picture old Luke Skywalker shouting “DRINK” like father jack in response to Rey’s request for training.
Deconstruction, like all things, can be done well or poorly. It all depends on the intent of the author. A well-made deconstruction might also be called an examination. For example, look at Kotor 2. It carefully and respectfully takes apart and explores things Star Wars previously took for granted, filling in the gaps and building on what came before, asking the question of what the Force really is, and calls out both the Jedi and the Sith on their hypocrisy. It doesn't create holes in the lore, and makes the originals even more interesting. It's a scalpel.
On the other hand, The Last Jedi takes a sledgehammer to Star Wars, creating strawmen of all your favorite characters, then dismantles, degrades, and humiliates them over traits they never possessed in the first place. Same goes for Legend of Korra, Paramount's abortion of a Halo series, Star Trek Picard, recent Doctor Who seasons, Terminator Dark Fate, Marvel and DC's latest attempts at producing "comic books", and many, many more.
I remember Rian Johnson's attempted reasoning for his assassination of Luke was that "its best not to meet your heroes, because they will not live up to your expectations."
Which is a perfectly good idea, if you are portraying a character meeting a hero that the audience is not familiar with. But Luke in The Last Jedi was not a character we'd never met before and only knew via his legend. We'd literally watched him struggle, we'd watched him fail and we'd watched him fight through it and succeed. There was no "secret mystery," for us to uncover.
But you know where we did get a good example of a character meeting their hero and them not living up to expectations? A certain movie where the hero idolised their father, only to find out that the villain didn't murder their father, but WAS their father - and so completely altered their perception of the war they were fighting.
What was that movie again? Oh yeah, it was the second movie in the Star Wars franchise - a franchise Rian Johnson thought needed to have its expectations subverted, even though George Lucas did this more successfully all the way back in fucking 1980!
Perhaps these modern writers and directors would do better if they actually had a fucking clue about the stories they are trying to extend.
I whole-heartedly agree. Luke Skywalker is my favorite character of all time - proof that not all women need a female protagonist like Rey to look up to, haha - and what Johnson did to him never ceases to make my blood boil. He even tweeted that his version of Luke was "canonically consistent". I kinda got into an argument with someone on YT about it and technically, I proved Johnson was wrong. However, so many people defend Johnson's Luke and it's incredibly frustrating; they just blindly repeat what they've been told. Not one thing Jake Skywalker said in "The Last Jedi" made me go "Hmmm, this is making me rethink everything about the Jedi and the Force". KOTOR 2 did that far better.
To be fair its nots entirely on Johnson. Ask yourself what could he have done with what Abrams handed him ?
The movie took place 20 years later. Not only is the empire still around but they are able to construct things even more deadly then the death star.
They still dominate the galaxy.
And there's not a single jedi to be seen.
All this was done in the force awakens.
How could Luke be anything but a failure at that point in the story ?
The sad truth of the matter is this. Watching a character struggle when they're young isn't the same as watching them struggle when their old.
I hear this a lot when people bring up Luke. The reality is we only knew him when he as a kid.
When you're young it's easier to adapt and move forward. But that doesn't last sadly.
It never does.
@@tbeth I completely agree. Plus 'Legends' handled a depressed Luke far better than Disney did, just look at how Luke was there after Mara died. He was sad, depressed, even said he didn't want to live (at least I think he did, been ages since I read those, so memory is iffy) but he didn't turn into 'Jake Skywalker' like in Disney. So I really don't care about any defense of Jake when Legends is enough to prove those people wrong.
So Luke beeing a different person 30 centurys later after going through some life changing events is unrealustic?
They don't care about the story, all they want is send a message, and not a particularly good or well tought-out one.
"Let the past die, kill it, if you have to" - people who would really like to erase history
That should’ve been a massive red flag when I saw the trailer for The Last Jedi
.....until the wallets are empty, then the past becomes important, of course, haha!
or like Longman said: "It's not passing down the torch, it's torching the past!"
@@JonathanGaeta it was, lots of people called it out.
...then follow it up with a full reversal in the next movie.
Also, I have to say the very first scene of the first Rocky movie is my favorite of the entire series. It tells you everything you need to know about him in the first five minutes you sit there watching his form be terrible his footwork be terrible. Everything about him, screams inexperienced, and a bad fighter and yet you see him take a hit after hit after hit after hit and then just demolish the guy in a focused blood range. It sets a tone for the rest of the movie so that, even though you don’t really see him fight again till the end, all the nuances of his character, the subtleties the times he’s compassionate with the girl he loves tell such a big story, knowing that there’s an animal hidden underneath.