Exactly. It's a FANTASY world. Do these people know what a fantasy is? Fuck it; I already know the answer to that But if a fictional world is going to reflect ours, leave LotR out of it. And don't portray these fools as the heroes because they're not
They don't need to, that's exactly the point. It's just another phrase used to gaslight people into believing that what they are watching is a good movie/series and not a horrible piece of media just regurgitated in order to further an agenda. Ideally the movies would reflect the source material being either historical or fantastic in nature, deviating from it perhaps just slightly in order to create a better story flow (look at LOTR and how Peter Jackson cut out a few parts or slightly changed others to create a better narrative flow for example).
@@andieallison6792 Just that movies don't need to reflect the world we live in, since they are movies (aka works of art which are at most based on our world but not meant to replicate it). And that usually when this justification is used for a movie, it just means a group wanted to make yet another movie about "inclusivity" (so as not to seem racist or sexist, they have to have a black person or asian person, replace a male charater with a female one etc. not caring that them doing that only shows the exact opposite, that only skin color or your sex matters for if it didn't you would just cast the best actor for the job not caring about their sex or skin color). That's why movies don't need to "reflect the world we live in" and that when you see this phrase you should expect another horrible movie caring only about those details mentioned above rather than a good story or compelling characters or a moral lesson to be had. Have a beautiful day!
I was taken aback when I saw Top Gun Maverick in the theater and saw the special message from Tom Cruise at the beginning. He actually thanked fans for coming out to the theater to support his movie. I can't remember the last time a Hollywood actor actually thanked the public. A lot of Hollywood actors just like to lecture fans these days.
Quite a difference from an actress publicly whining because she was only paid 25 million for her last acting job which was 5 million less than her male costar was paid.
I didnt get into the theater in time to see the previews and beginning. Probably missed the intro your talking about. I got there as he was riding his bike to the hangar I think, about mid beginning credits
I'll bet Tom Cruise is pretty clicked on with the current Hollywood climate. Being a scientologist, who are severly anti-gay he and the rest of the woke zealots who now run Hollywood have distanced themselves from each other. Hell, they even shit on Chris Pratt because he's a Christian but despite doing or saying nothing controversial or antagonistic. I'll bet Tom is seeing the writing on the wall and is taking advantage of that opportunity. And I hope he does more of it.
TC and Mark Hamill are very similar in that regard and only that regard. They are known for their absolute humility and gratitude with their fans in the general public. It's why I think neither own and operate their own studio despite the talent and other means to do so.
I remember when “Alien” came out in theatre (yes, I’m that old) and Sigourney Weever was just a-matter-of-fact lead. No “woman empowerment”, just a woman playing the role superbly
Those activists are insane - "woman empowerment" was called "leading lady" in the *black and white* films. There have been female centric films since film was invented - they just don't like the narrative that you had to look GOOD and act WELL to be on the camera.
I’m not that old but I remember Tomb Raider on the PS1, everyone I knew loved her because she was awesome she have dual guns, she explores stuff, she can climb, smart. Her gender was never an issue
I can say the same for Mila Jovovich in Resident Evil or Kate Beckinsale in Underworld franchises. Love those movies just the way they are with their female leads.
That's mainly because Ripley was a well written character that happened to be a woman. Not the godawful "strong female character" we know today. I think I read some trivia that said that the script didn't specify Ripley's gender and when Sigourney auditioned, they thought she was right for the part. So Ripley became Ellen Ripley. A woman.
Well, yes, while having different races with wildly different values, life spans, ideologies, purposes, philosophies, social structures, histories, crafts, food, culture, architecture, politics, and physical features may seem pretty diverse, the only thing that actually matters is melanin content, you see. Everyone knows true diversity is only skin deep after all.
Thing is that it obviously is suppose to reflect some old European dark age mixed with magic. as far as I know. There were none Africans in Europe in the old world. I can believe in magic, but I cant believe in that
This is why I respect the creators of Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul because at the end both the actors and the writers/producers thanked their fans for sticking with them for so long. When you create good product people will generally praise it, who would've thought?
I’ve never seen those but is it Possible that was contrived too, in order to elicit the reaction that people keep showing in this comment section towards those series?
@@SinDesigns For whatever reason there's a trend on the internet with people inserting that X or Y happened in order to elicit a certain reaction in the comment section, specifically on UA-cam.
My cynical self sees this as a marketing ploy, but my naive side really wants to believe that they felt the power of their viewership ploughing the series beyond their wildest imaginations.
@@darwincity how is it a marketing ploy when they did it AT THE END of series? Fans already watched it, noone is going to care to watch it afterwards cause they thanked fans, people are going to watch it because it's a good show.
The best counter example of the “fans are toxic and hate women and POCs” argument is Rogue One, which coincidentally released the same year as the Ghostbusters reboot. Rogue One is nearly universally loved by Star Wars fans, who generally agree that it’s the best thing Disney has done with Star Wars. This, despite having a female lead, her team which consists solely of POCs, her black mentor, and virtually every villain being a white male. Evidently fans really are more concerned with a good story than the makeup of the characters, and will eagerly support well-written females and POCs.
I didn't even realize that everyone else in the team was a POC until you pointed it out. It's almost like I didn't care about their skin color and liked the charakters because they were actually well written and interesting or something.
I love how Twitter anti-capitalists all of sudden become the biggest corporate shills when these manufactured controversies get created that portray fans as bigots.
It’s easier to be cowed by accusations of racism than publicly admit the obvious truth, i.e., black people have an inferiority complex that manifests as victimhood and all concomitant white demonization.
Echoes of Gordon Brown labelling a Rochdale woman as a bigot rather than listening to her, but she expressed a point of view shared by millions who promptly voted him out. Maybe when movie fans to do the same and "vote" against these virtue signalling productions, Hollywood will get the message ?
Cobra Kai is the enemy of everything the modern showrunners care about Loves the movies Loves the fans Is kickass as hell Has nonwhite characters with actual endearing qualities and flaws
Oh good I'm not the only one. You have no idea how frustrating it is knowing what's going on and being surrounded by people who seem to go blind and stupid once they see it. Or maybe you do.
The best thing you guys can do is ignore this crap and move on. I've been saying for years that products like WWE have been declining for a long time, but the backlash from long time fans have only helped Vince McMahon's case to get more rich and relevant. As long as people give Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power more attention, the more fuel that is added to the fire. Amazon will just use that to create another inferior product to use as propaganda so the cycle can repeat. Stop giving them attention.
It comes down to this: The public can complain all they want about films. But complaining doesn't matter if you are still shoveling them money. Swear off the industry and turn your back. THAT'S how you'll get them to change.
seriously, i don't understand all these people who still go see the movies they know they're going to hate because the somehow feel obligated to "check it out".
This! Especially there is soo many great, older movies, award winning from the times, when awards were meaningful. Try the originals before remakes guys, as it is worth it!
This is why I refuse to watch Rings of Power. "I'm already paying for Prime" say my friends, I reply "So you're going to increase the view count of this show, affirming its existence and implying to their corporation that you want more content like it?"
I'd say that the fan-baiting term is correct. The audience is intentionally provoked into a negative reaction, and then this natural and reasonable response is used as an excuse to silence any objective criticism. Cute. But it will work for as long as there is a paying consumer interested in buying this rotten product. So far it seems to be working well enough.
Destroying traditions, even young ones created by Hollywood just a few decades ago, is done to demoralize people so that we're willing to accept communism. Enjoy your bug popcorn while watching movies about how brown lesbians saved America from White slaveowners.
If it weren’t for people like Critical Drinker, Friday Night Tights etc, I think I’d honestly just be gaslit into thinking I’m the only one who thinks the way I do. I’m so thankful for these creators.
I'll just copy/paste my comment to the video, because I feel it's very relevant to your comment. Before I found this channel, I thought I was an asshole for not liking many of the movies mentioned in this video. And I didn't like them because they shat on the entire lore of previous movies/source material, or were just poorly written and executed in general. I absolutely hate the entire woke-ism in movies today, they just completely rewrite existing and established characters for the sake of it, instead of actually writing good new characters, or actually picking existing characters in franchises that fit to what they're trying to accomplish. - "Lets make Superman black"...... But you already have a character like John Stewart who is fucking awesome. But noooo, that doesn't create fanbait. I hate what movies have become. (Edit: spelling)
all of my friends who are tolkien fans have said theyre either very concerned about this show or flat out werent going to watch it based on amazons marketing. i decided to watch it because i like watching megacorporations burn through money faster than jeff bezos dick rockets burn rocket fuel.
Your line "using actors as both weapons and shields" is so spot on. I don't understand why it is so difficult for certain groups of people to not see how they are being used by these media corporations, politicians and so on as pawns in this war against sanity. Well done as always friend.
They probably do see it, but they're in a very precarious spot. "Here's a suitcase full of money every day -- but say one wrong word and you're back to washing cars." Remember Mark Hamill trying to warn people off the new SW? He's old, and he's already made his money and his place as Luke and Joker, but most of them either can't afford to rock the boat or just don't care.
It's the same way they use all the people Soros' NGO's cause to flood into the nations and how they use any possible minority group to attack the majority -- not so much because those people are a majority but because of their stable views on how the country should be run. Soros and company require chaos and massive changes in order to get people to accept an altogether reality, eating bugs, living in pods, etc. while those powerful people gain every bit of the rest of the wealth and contol over the populations.
@@stevenscott2136 There's an interview out there of Patrice O'Neal where he basically said the same thing, paraphrasing, "They throw all this money in your face and give you access to these fancy things because they know once you agree to be chewed up and shat out by the beast, they own you." He said that was a big reason he never really played nice with Hollywood execs, because he didn't want to be in place where they could leverage his livelihood against him in order to control him.
Because these media corps, politicians, etc. appeal to these groups emotions, not their brains, it’s devilish brilliant and we can all fall for it we stop paying attention
i was starting to think something was just wrong with me. i used to love movies. something crept into them, corrupted them... made me not care what was out now. i don't think i've seen more than a dozen movies in theaters in the last decade plus some change. you're really hitting the nail on the head with your videos. keep up the good work m'man.
The most annoying aspect of fan baiting is it teaches people "don't be like those angry fans getting angry over dumb details, just shut your brain off and enjoy the show."
Immersion in a good film does that, not fan-baiting. Fan-baiting does the opposite. It makes fans nitpick and be hostile cos they’re going in expecting to be patronised, lectured, shamed, and disappointed. Hostile fan-baiting style marketing makes audiences overly critical to the point that they end up second guessing every POC or woman as a tokenised diversity hire instead of a legit casting. We wanna give them the benefit of the doubt that it’s not tokenisation but Hollywood is now so cynical, hateful of fandom and devoid of creativity that it’s become impossible to look past race/gender-swapped characters
No one in Hollywood can. Welcome to the participation trophy generation. Thats what happens when people get applauded by their parents for pissing in a toilet at the age of thirty.
So much for the Amazon creed "Amazon's “Day 1” mentality is our approach of doing everything with the energy and entrepreneurial spirit of a new organization on its first day. Working to earn and keep our customers' trust is the single biggest driver of Amazon's Day 1 approach."
It's all being done on purpose. It's called "fan-baiting". It's a marketing technique designed to generate artificial controversy, garner publicity, and explain away negative reviews by playing the victim and gaslighting the reviewers as being bigots. This way, the movie or show gets its own victim status and is praised by all the virtue signalers and activists as being "stunning and brave" regardless of how bad the intrinsic artistic content really is.
A very good example of this is Prey. Generally, audience response was very positive, and even fans of The Predator said it was a good film, even if it had little to do with The Predator. However, articles were written and Twitters posted about how toxic fans hated the movie. Except, they didn't. This proves that Fanbaiting is not a reaction to fan response but a deliberate marketing ploy. They assumed fans would hate the movie, and they were mostly wrong.
In/Frame/Out even did this in his video on Prey, intererupting his otherwise interesting analyisis of Prey in order to give a cringey and pandering diatribe about how people who critisize Prey for being woke are mysoginistic weirdos, and even had a brief shot which said "Mary Sue: When a Woman can do something a man does, but the film doesn’t drop what it's doing to prove that. (According to Critical Drinkers and other a**holes)." I love I/F/O. He has good taste in movies, is great at analyzing film, and I love anyone who unironically likes Freddy Got Fingered. But that moment made me internally cringe.
Well. People don't really care much for Predator. because its had many rediculous movies afterwards. its not a "universe" go really get invested in. i didn't think prey was very good. just meh. but who would even really care. its not a movie people would get very upset over.
Interesting point. Although it wasn't great I did enjoy it. I wonder if anyone is going to approach these journalists and ask them for hard evidence on their claims?
My wife took our niece to see Ghostbusters in 2016 and neither thought much of the film. It was nice to hear their laughter from the living room later that evening, watching the original. The bottom line is if it were a great film, a greater number of people would have praised it.
At this point I expect to hear every Hollywood marketing campaign to say: “People who look like me” “Reflect today’s world” “See themselves on screen” “Toxic fandom” “-ist and -phobe” This usually translates to them having nothing of substance to say in the film, no compelling story, or interesting character arcs.
Yep. Why can't you just be like the people who advertised films like Encanto that talked about their diversity AND their quality. Oh, wait. You can't. Why? Because, unlike Encanto which is a masterpieces ALL YOU CREATE IS CRAP!! Also, watch Encanto. I know it's a bit overrated but, that film actually has great writing.
@@pizzapower3166 exactly. just create new shows with diversity. People will love them no matter what if it has good writing. Race swapping ariel is not a solution. It shows how 'lazy' they are to come up with new ideas and how they milk money from previously successful shows
@@pizzapower3166 Or just make a good movie like Encanto, the work will stand on its own merits. The fact that it is about hispanics should be just a side note w/an opportunity for different folks to experience aspects of hispanic culture. Leave it at that.
There was a time when movies and shows were keenly anticipated, now all people feel is dread at another franchise sucked dry, and I don't just mean Morbius.
I remember when my publisher told me he wanted me to make my book as controversial as possible as it would stimulate book sales. He cared nothing about informing the public, only excited their information.
After Brie Larson spent 3 years of being an arrogant, annoying, self-entitled #girlpower representative, the best thing was to see her frustration when she admitted nobody wanted to see her as Captain Marvel anymore, not even Marvel
@time to leave earth I TOTALLY agree with that video. And it definitely aged well when talking about Larson, and also another thing it touched on which most videos about this stuff don't is that diversity can be beneficial to achieve a common goal, but if DIVERSITY is the goal, then good movies never get made. :)
I’ve noticed how in almost every kids movie, not only is the male lead is weak and submissive, and the female is condescending and dominant - but they continually hit and beat the boy. Lesson for the children: domestic violence is totally fine as long as a girl does it. Sadly I’ve seen my daughter copying the behavior, and we’re having to teach her that it’s not OK… what the %#*# is going on!?? How is this getting past test audiences!?
@@joelgittens6857 What makes anime just a little more believable is that tsundere are usually understood as employing this attitude a defense mechanism, while it really signals a concealed attraction or admiration. This is very common with women who hold themselves to a standard, and don’t want to come off as too willing
I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing this. Already when I was a kid, I noticed that in kids movies or other media a female lead will be great, smart, strong and everything and a boy lead will be the comedic relieve. Sometimes it even portrays every male character as a stupid moron who most likely has to figure out how to breathe every morning.
Well, yeah, but men are the majority that get everything and oppress everyone else, didn't you hear? And then these people wonder why male suicide rates are so high
Remember when Better Call Saul ended, and we got a 2 minute segment of all the actors giving us, the fans, a big and sincere thank you? I was honestly moved. Media has been forcing all sorta of political garbage down my throat, and calling me racist for not enjoying it. And here comes an 11/10 show, that is amazing to watch, that doesn't push the message, and then thanks me for making the show possible, by being a fan. A rare feeling these days. It goes to show that when you have top class acting and writing, you don't need to shame and attack people into liking your show. I wish we got more of that.
The pervasive self-importance of so much of the movie/TV industry mainstream makes it essentially impossible to thank anyone but themselves. Everything that isn't positive is a personal affront that must come from some illegitimate source. When you live inside that sort of bubble you're certain to increase your failure rate and by consequence increase the depth of paranoia and vitriol inherent in your reactions to every tiny little remark made at odds with your own perceived "perfection" of both you and your product.
@Raylan Givens Kim was extremely well written. She felt like a real person. Both breaking bad and better call saul are so good to watch because all the details mattered. Even if they stretch reality or coincidences, it was full of grey moral areas, themes, and humor that isn’t cheap one liners.
Meanwhile, Tom Cruise leads his movie with a sincere thank you and a smile for the fans. Man might be a scientologist loon but damn if he isn't the best filmmaker today and the last remnant of Hollywood.
Just wait until people realize that socially and politically scientologists are actually relatively conservative in nature...perhaps VERY conservative.
That intro before Maverick honestly surprised the hell out of me--definitely something he didn't have to do, since there was so much hype for it and would have done well regardless, but a little gesture like that goes a long way to building goodwill.
I didn’t even realize that the OG cast had started shilling for ROP and Amazon… now that’s just pitiful. Just goes to show how much of a bubble Hollywood and entertainment is, when you are willing to defend a show and giant corporation that actively trashes your own precious years of acting and hard work. Your *definitely* the resistance, guys.
@@hammeredllama That is literally what shilling is. These OG actors aren't in contract to Amazon; and if they are, it is still shilling. Do you not know what shilling is? This is literally shilling, because they are being paid to do it. ffs, use your head for thinking instead of smashing it against a person's butt
That’s also what they want. They know what they are doing. They want you to think what these guys think they think that way they can use such like your complaints to their advantage and call you every “ist” and “phobe” in the SJW handbook. Sorry for the confusion. Here’s an edit to fix that!
It's so frustrating watching ALL of my favorite live action franchises stoop to such mediocrity. If back in 2007 you told me we'd be getting a Halo series, an Obiwan and Boba Fett series, a new Star Was trilogy, a new Jurrasic Park trilogy, two new Resident evil projects unrelated to the original film franchise, all the marvel content you could ask for and a billion dollar LOTRs series I would have probably died from excitement overload. But the mediocrity that they have become is beyond any disappointment that words could ever express.
It's tragic to see the state of live action entertainment. It's just a total disaster. I remember having such amazement at the quality of cinema when watching the actual LOTR trilogy in theaters. That was a beautiful experience. Now? There's nothing that comes close and I don't think there will be anything that comes close for a long time. All I can say is...thank god for Japan and anime. They just don't give a damn and focus on making the things they want. And they are still producing great shows and franchises.
So true. I remember the sheer excitement I had when I found out they were making episode 7-9 of SW, all the fan theory videos, the trailer breakdowns, all the hype. It was like living in a dream world. Then the movies happened, and I was shocked how bad they were. I couldn't fathom how they botched it and made it so un interesting. I lost all faith in Hollywood after that and it's been a total downward spiral since then.
Who would have expected a masculine woman to be uninteresting? Normal women spend actual money on looking feminine and men appreciate the result, so who was their actual audience there?
Wasn't terrible outside of the writers never missing a chance to shit on men. Men may have undervalued women in shows and films in the past but there wasn't a trend of insulting and mocking them in general.
Fanbaiting actually explains the crazy noticeable drop off in quality in the last 6 years perfectly. God I hate movie studios, it honestly is driving back to just reading books and saying screw you to movies in general.
Maybe being driven back to books, indie films, and walking outdoors isn't such a terrible thing, though! The way Hollywood had been going since the late 1990s, with product placements and agendas dictating more and more of the script and mise-en-scene, this was bound to come.
@@castafioreruby9937 I'd suggest you watch any of the Bond movies ... there's product placement practically from day one. It's not 'new'. It is more noticable if you are of the same generation/region as the movie. Demolition Man ('93) even swapped out a line about Taco Bell for Pizza Hut depending on what region it was released in ...
Try to develop a taste for silent film. There's probably a thousand full length ones on here. They're more like painting meets music rather than the traditional talkies or the ones that were made after 1929. You can pause them and come back because it's a pretty intense viewing experience. You can't look away really that much and expect to have the dialogue carry you. Lon Chaney is a good one to search for but make sure it's the father not the son.
@@NotTheStinkyCheese You're absolutely right. I'm not saying these things started in the '90s, just saying that the bubble had to burst sometime. Looks like this is the end, right now.
The two extremes of this is Top Gun, and Star Wars. Top Gun had a message thanking fans before the movie even started. Star Wars had Mark Hamill throw away a lightsaber.
Yep, and that's why it blew every movie recently out of the water with some of the best user ratings in the last 5 years. No politics, no "MESSAGE", no forced diversity, or trying to jam a narrative down our throats, and without the actors or people that worked on the film lecturing us outside of the movie 24/7, instead Tom thanked the fans. No wonder it did so well. Taking a ****in' hint, Disney?
@@aa-ze5cz I disagree about "no MESSAGE". Top Gun was literarily a recruitment piece for the Navy. A movie that glorifies military service has a hidden message specially for the youth.
@@guapitok4 I think you're reading WAAAAY to into it. So every firefighting movie is a recruitment for firefighters? Every sports movie is a recruitment for people to get into that sport? Every cooking movie is a recruitment for chefs/waiters? C'mon man.... What I'm talking about is I didn't have to sit down and be berated because I'm of a certain gender, sex, political or social affiliation, or hit over the head about diversity while shaming me and the public about what we need to do, all the meanwhile Hollyweird being one of the most hypocritical group of people alive.
@@aa-ze5cz you are over generalizing what I said. Not every movie is a recruitment piece. I’m just pointing out that using Top Gun as a symbol of a “no message” in movie is wrong. The movie clearly has a message that glorifies the Navy.
Okay soo... I've kinda become a conspiracy theorist about this shit at this point. Like no joke, I don't think projects like Rings of Power makes any money from bad publicity. I'm actually thinking that the corruption and inhumane toxicity of our political landscape is beginning to compromise our media. Well no shit right? But seriously... What if go woke go broke wasn't true. What if these projects were privately funded in the first place? Hear me out... So our political landscape is rife with corruption. Statistics from activists groups and government agencies alike intentionally show a small part of the full picture about a particular issue, but just enough to the extent that the blame could be directed in a place where it objectively doesn't belong. Prejudice in America for example is definitely a problem, but I personally don't really think it's as much an issue as our politicians make it out to be. For the sake of argument, let's say that social injustice in western society is across the board the lowest it has ever been. So then, how do you justify your social justice program? Well... you go on a witch hunt. You go find every single person who has ever said or done anything even remotely hinting at their slightly skewed perception of another oppressed group and bring it into the public eye and slander them for it. That at least explains political correctness. But there's more... So then let's say maybe that isn't effective enough or maybe you want to do more to prove that racism exists. The next step would be to go out of your way to force it out of people by fabricating it. You take beloved movies that were created in a northern European fantasy setting and give it a blm face lift while simultaneously inserting a disproportionate amount of other oppressed groups into the main cast until the property is so far away from what you would expect from a Lord of the Rings film that you are actually kind of frustrated about it. People give it dislikes and angry comments on social media and *bam. You have 'racism', 'sexism', 'homophobia', 'transphobia', 'misogyny'... and everything you would need to justify your social justice programs. But I'm not sure. Maybe I'm completely wrong about this, but I really do think there's a lot of money backing these terrible decisions. It makes sense from a broad scope perspective. It fits right in with the pure definition of victimhood narcissism. And as long as you are getting money from people who are willing to help with your cause, why not continue? Especially if it financially sustains you.
Yeah, though it doesn't work quite as well for Hollywood. Pretty much all their movies are not only boring infantile supervigilante in a too tight speedo pants, they are losing so much money that the studio's are collapsing and they need to buy eachother up to prevent a bankruptcy collapse.
This explains so much. I used to check online for the critics' reviews when deciding on a movie,but lately I've noticed that professional critics,Rotten Tomatoes for example,are rarely agreeing with the public. Now when I'm undecided about a movie,I either check the opinion of Google users or look for reviews on UA-cam.
A good example of the fan base power over the industry was when they memed Morbius so hard that Sony thought the movie was a success and re released it only for it to fail for a second time 😂
It's frustrating to hear someone imply that a work of fiction needs to include certain demographics in order to be "accessible". I've never felt alienated from a piece of media just because it featured demographics different from mine. If someone can't enjoy a piece of media without having characters of their gender/skin color/sexuality in a prominent role, then in my opinion, that's their bias at work, not a problem with the work itself.
I love and can relate to Taylor Mason in Billions and I'm not non-binary. I love and can relate to Ripley in Alien and I'm not a woman. I love and can relate to Michael Corleone in Godfather and I'm not a sociopathic crime lord who has his own brother killed. I love and can relate to Gollum in LotR and I'm not a ... whatever he is... I love and can relate to Captain Kirk and I'm not an arrogant but brilliant star ship captain. I love and can relate to Data and I'm not an android. I love and can relate to Elliott and I don't have an Extra-Terrestrial as a friend. I love and can relate to Rocket (City of God) and I never grew up in Rio's slums... I love and can relate to ... well, pretty much any well written and well acted character... because I am a human... But it must be well written and well acted.
Seven Samurai is one of my favourite films, but I have nothing in common with any of the characters culturally or physically. These race grifters are suggesting people can only empathise with their reflection in the mirror; that human characteristics and emotions aren't universal.
C.S. Lewis once said, "In the highest aesthetic circles, one now hears nothing about the artist's duty to us; it is all about our duty to him. He owes us nothing, we owe him recognition, even though he has never paid the slightest attention to our tastes, interests, or habits. If we don't give it to him, our name is mud. In this shop, the customer is always wrong." He said this some sixty or seventy years ago. The man had the modern world pegged perfectly.
@@nathansto2900 And that is fundamentally why we don't see that kind of wisdom in our [current year] paradigm. Modern people don't believe in a fundamental human nature, they believe that everything is a product of social systems.
I had no problem with Jason Momoa playing Aquaman, because it seems appropriate for the king of the sea to be played by a Pacific Islander, and because Momoa replicates the “Underwater Conan” look of the 90s. But it makes zero sense to have someone literally called Snow White be played by a nonwhite actress.
Well, Jeff Fowler is a fan himself who knows the characters and series, but he's also a competent director and a real humble guy to boot. I've seen both films and think they're great! I especially love what they did with Knuckles! Can't say the same thing about the IDW Sonic comics, though...
I'm still wondering who the hell thought the original design was a good idea to release to all of us in the first place before the redesign. The first design was so terrible that really nobody in the crew members thought "yeah this is terrible, we should redesign it"
As always, the Drinker's take on these issues is spot on. Don't want backlash? Make good movies & shows. Don't fuck with source material. Don't expect great content by just pitching "let's make XX (Ghostbusters, LoTR, etc, etc), but with chicks/minorities/etc". Don't hinge $100M projects on unproven directors & writers who've only written papers in gender studies. In the immortal words - That's all I've got...go away now.
Backlash makes headlines, headline make tweets, tweets mean publicity. These are people shameless enough that any publicity is good. Hate-watchers buy tickets too.
1) Not a fan of RoP - didn’t make it past ep 1, bad acting / script 2) However if we were to strictly interpret all source material, we would be a society living under the laws of the Old Testament…
@@Bronte6497 no the constitution has a mechanism to add changes because the founders did not want future generations to be constrained by the past. Thats why we have them amendments
I love how Disney came to the defense of Rose from Star Wars. Only to give her the shaft in the final movie, because that's how toothless they really are.
A term I came up with to describe this: "Hot Button Sheild": including a hot button issue in a creative work for the purpose of deflecting criticism. The sad thing is many movie companies aren't just using a hot button shield to deflect normal criticism, but as a way to excuse putting 0 effort into something and pretending it's a masterpiece despite audiences calling it out.
The only thing they're doing is damaging their own credibility and reputation, and driving more revenue to true critics like the drinker. Both are not bad outcomes in my opinion. No one I know considers the squeal trilogy our the other crap that's been pooped out the last 5 years to be canon. No one.
@@Fridaey13txhOktober Hollywood was better when they were more about the money. But cmon, they always were pushing an agenda. They were just more subtle about it in the old days.
Watching this nine months after the release date and these tactics still exist but it feels like fans have had enough. Movie studios are still trying to fanbait but it's not showing at the box office. Disney has had failure after failure and no amount of fanbaiting has changed that. All it has done is destroy their reputation and alienate their fanbases. Hopefully, we're entering a post-fanbaiting era finally.
Jesus the Holy Christ, is that really you? I'm your biggest fan! Just one question: can you give us an ETA on your return yet? Things have been getting kinda heated since you left around two millennia ago
This is why apathy is the cure. Giving these toxic creators your attention and money is a mistake, for these people all publicity is good publicity. Don't hate watch or post hate reviews, watch stuff you like or better yet support good media and/or create your own. Essentially don't feed the troll.
I still recall a time when we went to movies to escape the real world, not to have it shoved down our throats along with our popcorn and drinks. Well done, Will. Well done, indeed.
When actors were hired so they could play a role, not play themselves. When gay men were hired to play straights and straights were hired to play gays.
@@Robot-Overlord Movie theaters make almost no money from ticket sales. Food keeps them in business. It's not "overpriced", it keeps the theater in business. So don't hesitate to buy food.
Multiple directors, producers, actors, etc have admitted in interviews their dislike for the original content (The Witcher, Thor, Snow White, Star Wars, etc).
The absolute most frustrating thing that Hollywood is doing with casting diverse characters is that they are so preoccupied with diversity that they are doing it all for the wrong reasons and not giving these characters proper and worthwhile character arcs to actually give a crap about.
yes now women or poc, their character often comes down to being a minority (and a victim) living stereotyped intrigues reinforcing this idea, and/or they are presented as flawless and always right, even when they are occasionally wrong and behaving stupidly. Instead they could be writen like complex individuals living universal things most of the time (what happens in real life) and not being perfect
right?! And these roles tend to be 'the scraps', with the leading roles still going to white actors. It's diversity by tokenism - they're never going to cast a person of color as Galadriel. Now I'm Caucasian, but I would love to see an all black cast in a African-based mythological tale with a really solid plot (and no stereotyping). But Hollywood won't take risks on new projects, so they hash and re-hash existing stories, the vast majority of which were written from a white perspective.
It goes beyond just casting choices (or quota’s), studios are doing the same thing with script writers and directors/producers/etc.. Despite huge budgets they are all just amateur high school A/V club experiments.
This is exactly the type of analysis we need in wake of the flaming trash of She Hulk, and the pretentious cringe of Rings of Power. Excellent as always, TCD
@just i c e I know you are not a bot but you act like a bot which is why me and the other 99% of the people who see a random link at the top of every reply line will never click on them. The whole replying to yourself with Fax every time is a flashing neon sign screaming it's all BS. You make the bot links for porn, cryptocurrency and "my friend makes $500 an hour" look natural by comparison. Pop up adds shake their head when you walk by. People who upvote their own comments face palm when you walk by because they, at least, don't use multiple accounts to upvote themselves multiple times.
It's unfortunate, but today's day and age people get exposure through social media. What trends most on social media? Outrage on something. Literally the thing that gets the most tweets, likes, etc. are things that people are passionate about and people get most passionate when they fucking hate something or are against something. The movie companies don't care much about the story. Everyone there is to get famous or rich. In order to get famous or rich, you need people to watch your movie and for people to watch your movie, they need to know about it. Exposure is easiest through controversy so they've just taken that route.
Good thing we have so many gold classic movies, series and games, you don't need to keep up with the current trends, there's always sonething good to watch/play.
Agree 100%, also to add another example was Ving Rhames playing Kingpin in daredevil, he did a fabulous job with no fan blow back because of great story, and acting
I believe that was actually Michael Clarke Duncan, but yeah. He WAS the Kingpin in that movie. Used to love the Spider-Man and Daredevil comics and thought Kingpin was a great villain, didn't bother me a bit that they race-swapped him for the movie because his presence was the character's most important thing, not his race.
Every recent movie. ✅ White man is the villain ✅ Black man is the hero ✅ Woman has the balls ✅ Dad is an idiot ✅ Mom is the breadwinner ✅ Children don't respect their parents Movies are now social engineering, not entertainment.
"We have to reflect the world we live in today" Then why TF do I not see any Starbucks and livestreaming hobbits, and dwarves on Twitter in Middle Earth, huh?!
That's why I like how the Cobra Kai series makes subtle fun of the current "modern times" soyboy, feminazi, woke, SJW twitter cancel culture. *Love it!*
@@RCLIM-yx8gv exactly, even older movies didn't always reflect the sensibilities of the times they were made in. they would be period pieces and show the sensibilities of the time period the story was set in.
I love how she says this is progressive and yet my favorite shows growing up in the 90s were about black families. We never cared. It's annoying. We just wanna see good content. Give us that and the majority won't complain.
@K Cheng Delete your comment right now before you start an argument. There are already too many arguments in the replies of other comments and your one too many.
You know one of my favorite characters of all time is Gus from Psych. They make plenty of racial comments in that show, but it never came across as race-baiting. I’ve watched the show a million times, and I just love the dynamic. It’s a black man and a Latin man, and yet race is rarely the focal point. Oh how media storytelling has fallen.
@T Mac I grew up on the reruns. Good shows are timeless. 99% of the things made in the past two decades didn't make it past their first decade or month.
By trying to fit a piece of media into a box that "matches the times we're living in", you miss out on the opportunity to make something timeless. It's the universal stories of human character (good and bad) that stand the test of time
and it also has to match the setting of the movie or tv show. If I make a movie about ancient greece, rome or china, it makes no sense to make it look like modern day europe or america. Zero sense. The immersion gets lost
For example, the actual Lord of the Rings trilogy. Whenever I watch it, I feel like I’m watching the events of a fantasy world (which I assume was the aim) instead of being lectured at about the then ongoing social issues. As a result, I can sit down and watch it in 25 years and still love it.
The purpose of these “creators” is not to create meaningful art (in this ideology), but to be an agent of social/political change. They bait fans so they can role-play that they are in the civil rights movement of the last century and risking their lives for oppressed groups, when all they are really willing to risk is some twitter hate (even that shatters them). It’s not just to distract from their sheit movie, but to crown themselves as a modern civil rights champion, like a King or Tubman. In the end, it’s just egotism and self-stroking.
There is only one way to stop this. Stop watching their movies altogether and go watch stuff made by people who actually love their fans. At some point they will have to realize their mistakes. But it won't happen if we keep feeding them what they want.
You’re half right. Yeah to hell with the lecturing and the shaming and the lazy writing. It’s not their job to wet nurse you though and pretend to love you. They’re here to entertain (or so I thought) their customers. Dunno about you but I don’t need a thank you. Entertainment is enough
Imo it is not about loving your fans but more about loving your work and your creation. You can feel the passion and love of the guys that produced great movies and shows.
It`s quite depressing that studios kept on choosing to go to war with their fanbases, doing fan-baiting, and telling them off on what they should like. At this point, I`m just glad that an increasing number of people noticed this issue more and more, and started raising awareness. Thankful to these channels that are both amusing and informative, I thought I had the wrong taste for entertainment until I found this community. Anyways, as a alien cyborg with lung asthma used to say, "Ah, a fine addition to my collection!" Edit: Holy Moly Guacamole! "Thanks for the likes everyone!"
It's good that the drinker is taking a look at this, but equally the moral is that if you get too publicly upset about this sort of thing, you're only encouraging them. The thing is to be critical in private networks, and not actually add to the buzz. Don't push your stuff out there, or you'll attract the attention of those who will see it more because they're wondering "what all the fuss is about" rather than for other reasons. Gripe in private in sympathetic domains rather than putting stuff "out there" to people who don't understand where you're coming from because that will add to the feedback loop. Oh ... and don't watch the damn things.
Fan-baiting is a sociopathic tactic. Some smart but evil people being highly manipulative, this matches the definition of sociopath. There are lots of sociopaths in nowadays government, media and celebrity business.
I've also noticed that movies and TV shows seem to be written by dramatists - writers who I suspect have very little life experience but have been inspired by other writers, playwrights and poets, so their impression of the human experience is all very theatrical and quixotic. We no longer have stories being written by people who have struggled, worked hard, started business, studied history, fought in a war, etc. I don't think many of them even understand what a healthy relationship (friendship, family, marriage) looks like. It's very apparent because they just don't seem to understand human nature.
No wonder the phrase „Hard times create strong men/women/whatever, strong men create easy times, easy times create weak men“ is even a term that exists.
I've been saying it!! After suffering through a couple episodes of Rings of Power, my only conclusion is that there is NO WAY it was made terrible on accident. It was 100% a billion dollar Amazon commercial, made to piss off fans, and hiding behind it's POC. More controversy means more reviews, more mentions, more attention.
I think Galaxy Quest is an incredible film that loves its fans, and honors fanbases of all kinds by showing them having power to have an impact on the properties they love.
Galaxy quest was brilliant, written, and acted, no one gave a crap about being offensive or who it would affect, it was a fun poke at scifi that all fans loved, and got on with Nowadays scfi be it marvel or dc etc has a different agenda, they don’t write for a story, they write and direct to push an agenda, a narrative That’s not writing, that’s a fear of not complying Sadly story telling has gone…please come back story telling
What really boggles my mind is that in lore Galadriel is exteremely powerful, one of the greatest magic holders in Tolkien’s universe, she is thousands of years old and has seen and done pretty much everything by the time we see her in Rings of Power. So why is it that she acts like a human? Why does she behave as though she is barely 20? The truth of the matter is that far too many writers are incapable of imagining someone who doesn’t behave that way, they lack the world view and depth of experience to portray anything outside of how they percieve the world around them, and the world around them is sadly some L.A. writers college designed to pump out as many mediocre writers as possible to feed the great media beast.
You just hit the nail right on the head. Hollyweird has become spiritually, morally, and creatively bankrupt. They can only portray what they themselves are, so they create sad and weak characters in their own image. They cannot conceive of what Tolkein envisioned as the true wisdom and majesty of an ancient race of elves. Because they fundamentally do not understand Tolkein's true source material, which was based on his spirituality and religious views, things that they actually despise.
Hollywood can take a page from Tom Cruise. Literally thanking the audience for coming out to see his film and delivering a good nostalgic action film that entertains new and old fans alike. Say what you will about the man, he's a real professional, knows what the fans wanted and delivering it.
Note there have been hit pieces out on the movie saying it's a dangerous film as it is pro military. Success of the wrong movies makes Hollywood mad as heck.
That is the thing, i could care less what he* personally believes and what drives him. If the man can write he can write ✍️ and that's all i need to know.
It seriously is like a group of people decided to destroy Hollywood by remaking everything in the worst way they could and then blaming everyone else for not understanding.
You know something that really proves what Drinker is saying? Cobra Kai. It has a massively diverse cast of empowering characters, and both old-time fans and newcomers to the franchise adore it. Why? It doesn't attack fans. It doesn't put down the original cast and still holds them in reverence, even while letting them share the spotlight on equal terms with the new cast. It respects its new actors to treat them as characters instead of pieces of colored meat on a deli counter. And most important of all it's written well. And so far it's made it to Season 5, ran for four years, has been renewed for a sixth season, had zero controversy, has been nominated for two dozen awards, and boasts a 95 critic / 92 audience on Rotten Tomatoes with no signs of slowing down. Shows like Star Wars and 2016 Ghostbusters could have been as beloved by fans as Cobra Kai had they simply had enough faith in their new characters to put them on equal ground with the old cast and make something for their fans as well as newcomers to the series.
I mean just look at the difference in reception between House of the Dragon and Rings of Power. On the surface, they are extremely similar. Two beloved fantasy worlds, given a prequel series, both race bended in ridiculously anti-source material ways, both focused on powerful, yet pure and amazing women. They aired at roughly the same time, one received a great deal of praise from fans and critics alike, another was lambasted for being a piece of garbage by anyone who doesn't have a vested financial interest in praising their overlords. People will look the other way on shitting on the source material for the sake of diversity (the Velaryons being black is utterly ridiculous as Targaryens are literally obsessed with preserving their Valyrian bloodline, so much so that they usually wed brother to sister, the idea that their #2 family for marriage pacts would be a different race entirely is absurd) if you actually focus on trying to tell an interesting story, which they did. There was plenty wrong with the story, but you can tell they honestly tried to write something compelling and in the end it was a pretty enjoyable product. Rings of power made the same diversity decisions and then centralized the entire advertising campaign around it and never even remotely tried to tell a good story, but instead decided that being diverse and women empowering was simply good enough. The results speak for themselves, and it's quite clear that fans are willing to look the other way on this shit so long as you tell a good story. That's all fans really want/care about at the end of the day. Something to entertain them and distract them for their lives.
@@SynsityGW Absolutely, man. The thing a lot of creators don't understand is fans of a franchise WANT to like works set in that franchise. The better you make it, the more suspension of disbelief kicks in and the more willing they are to tolerate and even accept negative aspects of it. If a creator makes the effort to make it good, fans will defend it. Case in point, Nick Fury from the MCU. Nick Fury was originally a white guy, and yet Samuel Jackson is often seen as the definitive Nick Fury because those movies (for the most part) were well-written and Samuel Jackson nailed the part. If you're going to change shit, change it for the better. Being a little respectful of the franchise can go a long way. Look at the Resident Evil series with Black Wesker. Canonically in the games, there were 13 Weskers, all from different nationalities, as part of a eugenics project and only Albert Wesker and Alex Wesker appeared on-screen. The rest are presumed to have died. They could have had Black Wesker by just having him be one of the other 11 Weskers: there's your story, he's trying to escape Umbrella and cure the virus they injected into him while Umbrella is hunting him. Have the season end with actual Albert Wesker showing up in the final episode. It fucking writes itself, could have had their precious diverse Wesker, AND been completely faithful to the games by adding some backstory to the so-called Project W that's really only been hinted at in a couple of games. But no, they had to spray-paint THE Albert Wesker into a completely different character and piss off pretty much everyone who was willing to give it a chance.
@@ScrambledAndBenedict That's a good point with Nick Fury. Most people don't even know he was white in the comics because the MCU was nailing everything that when they race bended Fury everyone was just like fuck it, good shit. And yeah the Resident Evil example shows some form of malice and wanted to take from the original rather than actually create something new
@@SynsityGW The whole thing with making such a big deal about diverse casting, is they want to put critics in a position where the critic has to choose between "defend their product" or "defend myself". It's why it's so preemptive, and why they make such a big deal out of it before a product they don't have a lot of faith in even launches, and why works that are actually GOOD rarely if ever focus on the diversity of their casting (Cobra Kai, old MCU, Arcane, The Mandalorian, etc). If the folks behind things like Rings of Power or the 2016 Ghostbusters or Resident Evil could defend the actual quality of those works, they would, because even if they were actually RIGHT about people criticizing their works just being sexist racists, the thing is these critics are raising valid complaints about these works that the creators have no retort to whatsoever. At the end of the day, my belief is if you want to adapt a work, you tell their story. If you want to tell your own story, tell your own story. It's why I'm so heavily critical of The Last Jedi: "doing your own thing" and "subverting the genre" was NOT the thing to do halfway through someone else's trilogy, especially when that trilogy is part of a trilogy of trilogies.
@@ScrambledAndBenedict 100% agreed on the last part, but unfortunately we live in a time where it's just safer to work off an existing brand and just hire whoever the fuck to run the show because it'll make money no matter what, whereas trying to find someone who has a genuine vision and who wants to make something unique and memorable is just way harder AND way riskier. Which is why I wish consumers would stop being so fucking lazy and just stop seeing these garbage sequels/remakes/reboots/spin offs. Occasionally one of them lands and that's great, but I think people came to believe that movies having sequels is just the norm. It's occasionally because there's more story to be told, but usually because there's more money to be made.
What frustrates me is that these pre-emptive attacks, this fan baiting, is actually working. So many of my own circle are being duped into thinking that ROP must be good because it's got so much R-ist backlash. They're being biased into liking it, the opposite of the true Tolkien fans who are being biased into hating it before even watching it. I don't think I could give ROP an honest review of its characters and writing if I tried because of all the fan baiting I've been exposed to. Like so much of what is produced today, I'll give it a miss.
not to worry, after watching one episode of it, its clear to everyone that the show is very bad. even the paid critics dont have anything good to say about it after release.
I don't think it will work in the long run tho. I think over time these movies just wont have the long term success of other movies. In 20 years this will be the "dark days" the vaccume where nothing really gets watched from.
Huge mistake to release this opposite GOT. Say what you will about season 8, but compared to ROP, these new episodes are an absolute thrill ride. And they even have a diverse cast. The one criticism I disagree with though is Drinker said they "chose to go against the source material." This is a misstatement. Sure, many of the decisions are a "departure" from the source material, but nothing that "goes against" it.
Yea and it's coming real thick when you know those companies value greed and corrupt moneymaking more than the lives of their own employees. Anything that fetches a high dollar is all they care about. Yet they think they can act like the good guy and expect people to see them that way. The lack of self-insight is stunning.
@@Real_MisterSir : I think they see "moral outrage" is a way for them to make money. They've seen how controversial topics have gained massive attention on social media platforms and they shoehorn those topics into established franchises. If they really wanted to address certain issues, they could have done it without using established franchises, but they won't do it because people won't watch.
Totally agree, some great examples from the past of re-culturizing or updating a great film/story are Seven Samurai -> Magnificent Seven and Conrad's Heart of Darkness -> Apocalypse Now. These were done well and did not infringe on the original stories or media. Instead of having Western samurai walking around in a remake, they re-told the story with new characters in a completely new setting and culture.
I was having a conversation with my 15 year old son and it's funny to watch him come to many of the same conclusions I have. We watched the original 3 Matrix movies together and he was genuinely fascinated by them. When Matrix 4 came out, he was super excited for it. I, however, knew better but I didn't want to ruin it for him. Biting my tongue, I asked what he thought of the movie...he paused for a bit and said, "Dad, it ruined the whole Matrix universe for me, I hated it! It's the worst movie ever." He just wanted to see his hero in action again, and they ruined that for him. I felt bad, but it was a proud moment as well.
Hard to believe The Matrix is 23 years old already. That movie blew my mind the first time I saw it. Sad to see that even the Wachowskis went crazy and woke.
@@eggdashure Next year makes 20 years of endless Spider-Man reboots. I remember actually being excited to see web-head on the big screen, rather than dreading another outing with that hapless putz they have Holland playing.
I kinda give Matrix 4 a pass though cause even though fans and the lore paid the price for it it was primarily a movie done as a giant fuck you to the studio lol. Hard not to abide by that.
Back in the day day, a young man in his mom’s basement began to honestly review and rate the old and new films he so loved. From this endeavour Rotten Tomatoes was born. It was the go to place for an unbiased film review. Of course he sold out to big media because ‘MONEY’ But for a while it was aces. Now the stage is set for a new film fan to take its place ‘The Drinker Recommends’ is born!
How is anyone supposed to live without money? People do things for profit. How do you love capitalism but at the same time hate people for participating in it?
@@anonymous99632 Capitalism is a ridiculous comparison to defend greed. Having made his review site better through honest work, research and perhaps necessary marketing (just some general examples) would have been a more than appropriate step towards success within capitalism. But being hired to use a screwdriver to fasten a screw for someone, above that person hiring someone else because you do a better job than others, and getting paid for your work is different than stabbing a person in their eyes with a screwdriver and stealing all their money.
I think that it's mainly not because of the diverse casting, which I also think is possible and should be done in MOST Films and Series, but because it is the main, lazy, focus point and done instead of good and engaging story writing. If you have a good and engaging story a diverse cast will most likely not create a great upheaval among fans and, if done right, can even add to the immersion of the project (see Dune for example or The Expanse).
@@goranatanasovski6463 it works in context but if your making a movie based in Medieval Europe then your not going to have a diverse cast with all races on equal footing. But no one wants to remember history anymore because it's not accepting of modern social standards even though it happened centuries ago.
Ironically it also puts off any sane person regardless of background from folks tired of their beloved characters getting "modernized" to folks that actually want original characters (that just happen to be black, gay, female, etc) instead of token scraps/checkboxes. It's amazing how so many modern movies don't get IT.
Well that is problem when you put quotas on directors and screenwriters.Good director could make She-hulk work,but when they only focus on their agenda the story suffers.
Others have said it, but it must be reiterated that this is definitely one of those videos that needs to be seen by as many people as possible. Drinker you've nailed it as always my friend!
I remember watching Top Gun Maverick and Tom Cruise did his little thanks for watching schtick, and in like 20 seconds, I was already feeling much more charitable to a film that I'd seen literally nothing of.
That's because modern films in cinema nowadays don't really do that. They would rather shit and troll the fans instead of thank them for even considering paying for a ticket to watch their movies.
It was such a welcome contrast to what we normally get. Cruise made the studio sit on this movie for a long time because he knew it needed to be seen in a theater. The story was tight. And the fans have spoken with their money. Now who wants to bet on how his next MI movie goes?
Disney in particular has a real “drunk Billy Joel onstage yelling about his critics for 5 minutes before playing a particularly aggressive version of Big Shot afterwards” energy.
"Reflecting the world we live in" is fundamentally a terrible thing for any movie, book, or other piece of media not explicitly stated to be based in the world we live in. By doing this, you force something to be what it was never meant to, cordoning off whole avenues and valuable opportunities that you as an author can take, closing yourself into this one creative box. Not to mention, these are supposed to be things people get into to *escape* the world around them, not see the often depressing reality they have to live in, just with a thin veneer of "magic."
Ah yes, "The world we live in"... no Terminators... no Hobbits... no Asgardians... no Jedi... no knights or space-marines or mutants or shape-shifters... no statesmen or sorcerers or vampires or mad scientists... not a single suave, tuxedo-clad, martini-drinking secret agent to be found anywhere... not so much as a single tornado filled with sharks. What's the f***ing point? Might as well watch the news.
Unless you explicitely state that you're doing a reimagining or a pretty loose adaptation with that creative idea in mind. That's fair game, and good luck with the reception. It has been done many times with mixed results. But that's not what most of these movies do, they pose as a faithful and true to the source material adaptation to drag the interest of the fandom while being a complete perversion of it under the hood.
If I want to reflect on the world we live in, I'll go to shows that specifically set out to do that. Like The Wire for example. I expect social commentary from that show, and I get it and more. But what I don't want is Orange man bad, in my galaxy far far away show.
For movies or shows to be well written, they should reflect the context of the setting. If that setting is 2022 New York City, then yeah, it makes sense to have lots of diversity. However, if you replace all of the cast of Black Panther with white people, or replace all of the cast of a film set in Japan with people from the Middle East, it probably isn't going to make sense and will be counter productive to immersive story telling. If Amazon made a serious movie about pre-Edo period Japan and there were a bunch of Black/Indian/Latino/White European Samurai, it wouldn't make any sense and next to no one would call me a racist for calling it bad. It's not the mere inclusion of diversity that draws criticism from most people, but the manner in which it's done with regards to the context of the setting and plot. The implications of the inclusion is what matters. If you portray people from all over the world as Samurai in a pre edo period Japanese film, the resulting implication of that is going to be the diminishment of historical accuracy and immersion, which is generally considered to be negative - unless it's meant to be a joke in a comedy or something. Kobra Kai included lots of diversity in a show set in Los Angeles in the 21st century USA and I'm very glad to see it. This argument is a lot like Chappelle's skit about modern day Feminism. I am pro gender equality, and therefore am by definition a feminist. But why then do I often find myself at odds with the modern day feminist movement? Because it's not the mere advancement of gender equality but the manner in which it's done. The modern day feminist movement doesn't end with political protests, it tries to push it's political agenda into movies at the expense of the story itself. It also goes further than equality, often advocating for female dominance over males and the demasculation of men - as we often see in modern day films.
These actors are most definitely not just "honest people looking for their big break." They go into it with full knowledge of what the company and them are doing, and they relish the controversy and excuses to call fans racist. Listen to Disa's whiny ass actress bellow on about progress
There's a reason why movies like Sonic did well. The people behind the scenes wanted to just make a good movie and listened to criticism when it came to the character design. That's all we want at the end of the day. They can keep pumping out the generic sequel/remake to a known franchise but with women and said women will continue to not support it financially because they don't actually care about the product like true fans would.
@@deathminion11 I still gotta see that one myself later this week after finding it on Prime. The first one was really fun and I felt that it deserved the success.
One of the reasons why modern movies suck today is that there’s no passion, risk taking or creativity. It’s all cookie cutter hollywood assembly line garbage.
As long as people continue to go to the cinema to watch garbage, or pay disney+ or netflix or any other platform for movies, the quality of cinema will NOT improve. People should put their money where their mouths are. Stop paying these companies your money and very soon good movies will return. Virtue signalling feminists/woke activists are typically NOT a customer movies can rely on for revenue.
@charlie king yeah forget about the historically high inflation, the historic housing crash right when most millennials enter adulthood making home ownership harder than past generations, and the once in a generation economic crash that is seemingly around the corner again. Bunch of my millennial buddies died in Afghanistan and Iraq, that 20 year war doesn’t count though. Stupid millennials it’s all their fault for growing up in a world boomers messed up.
And folks still eat it up anyway thanks to the lowest common denominator. I dunno what will happen first, the modern movie industry crashing or the streaming service bubble bursting but regardless something gotta give .
I remember being beyond disappointed with Rose Tico's character. As someone who's played tabletop RPGs of Star Wars as multiple noncombatants, I was excited to see what a mechanic could bring to the team: would she make crucial repairs during an escape, jury-rig a gadget to pass an obstacle, improve the team's weapons/vehicles/communication capabilities? Nope! She was ultimately a "rich people bad" mouthpiece and derailed Finn's character growth. Her potential was just wasted. But no, the above can't possibly be why I didn't like her character. No no, it's _solely_ because I hate Asians and women.
My main gripe with the Rose character was not the actress. It was the fact that the characters we were supposed to be following (Rey, Poe, and Finn) had barely spent any time together. This was your Luke/Han/Leia. And while yes, Luke took his own trips away in the OT, you still had Han and Leia interacting and building that comradery. Instead, you pull in these extra characters (Rose and Holdo) instead of focusing on our main characters. Not only that, but you do a side mission about saving space horses that ends up having absolutely no effect on the main storyline whatsoever. Here I was, hoping for character development for one character of color, but I must be sexist because I didn't appreciate the other FEMALE character of color who was derailing the storyline. :D
That's what's so maddening about it. They can keep churning out crap and any legitimate criticisms will be dismissed as "racist", "sexist", or whatever. Genius, really! The only way to end this is to STOP WATCHING IT. But people refuse to do that. I love this channel and appreciate Drinker's analyses. But even channels like this end up feeding into the problem. Even if you're watching it to review it, you're still giving it what they want - eyeballs and money. They don't care if your review is positive or negative, as long as you WATCH IT! Even negative reviews give it more attention and people who otherwise may not have been interested end up watching it just out of curiosity. And so, the problem will continue.
“I’ve always been someone who felt we are court jesters. That’s what we do,” he said, adding: “As far as I’m concerned, you should step away from saying anything so that you can still be seen by the audience in any character,” he said, adding: “There is no reason entertainers can’t learn just as much as anybody else about a subject, whatever it is. But I think that what’s sad about it is that they lose their status as a court jester. And I’m a court jester. That’s what I was born to do.” Kurt Russell - when asked why he thinks feels celebrities should stick to being entertainers, and refrain from being vocal about other issues.
Russell is 100% correct. An actor's job hasn't changed since its conception. Back in Roman times actors were in the same guild as prostitutes. In Shakespeare's days they were seen as a half step above being a prostitute.
Also, it's not like being a Hollywood superstar makes you inherently better at judging other topics. Your opinion is worth as much as any other average Joe's and can be wrong as fuck, but you still have a lot more people listening to you.
The irony in this is that court jesters were often the only ones able to make poltiical commentary in a court, because they were not held to the same standards as everyone else and could get away with mild criticism.
Compare these movies that hate the fans to one that turned this whole concept on its head: Top Gun: Maverick. Tom Cruise opened up with the explicit acknowledgement that the fans don't have to pay money to be insulted but to be entertained and that was what he was trying to do with that movie. He didn't change the world but he gave people great value in telling a fun and compelling story.
I did not know what to expect from Maverick but it absolutely did not disappoint! In fact, it was SO refreshing that nothing felt particularly over the top but was also fresh and entertaining. I rarely finish a new movie these days and say to myself, "Yeah, I'd watch that again," but I plan to buy that one for sure 👍🏻
meanwhile the original topgun was absolute dogshit. This is why i can't take you people seriously; generally you'll shit on anything made in the last 20 years as though bad movies didn't exist in your youths. You're just a bunch of mildly racist boomers; fortunately you'll die off in a few years, so your problem sorta solves itself.
That was one of the few new movies I actually watched. The past few years I've just been going through entertainment produced when I was really young or before I was even born, because quality is scarce nowadays. The new TG was refreshing
„Fan-Baiting“ is an art form that makes the fans take the bait, yet fails to catch any prey (putting arses into seats). Never forget: Big studio filmmaking is a monetary business first, and only an art form second. If lecturing the public through art is your primary goal, you better have some hefty cash stack to burn through.
I went from seeing every movie that came out to now, I go two or three years without seeing a movie. I grew up in a time period where the actors and actresses were either beautiful to look at or could act, in addition to a well played out story. Now days, we seldom see a movie with those qualities. The casting is mostly awful, there is usually no story, the special effects are obvious, the end result of production are mediocre at best. So, why waste my money when I can stay in the comfort of my home and choose what I like on a large TV screen. Also, the Academy awards are now just a big joke.
@@RayoSombrio78 "or could act" What they're saying is that modern Hollywood is ugly on the eyes as well as on the mind. Even a piss-poor script can be saved by a masterful score and visual beauty. Modern Hollywood doesn't provide much of either.
I stopped watching movies 5 years ago. I started to feel they stole my time without giving anything in return. Just like eating gum hoping it will fill you up. Not worth it.
I learned the hard way that 'we want it to appeal to a broader audience' translated to 'we want to hollow out this well-known franchise and fill it with all our own personal political and social change messaging to appeal to us and us alone'
Everything has to be political that's how ideologues think. It's not about movies/shows, it's about sending a message - at least for them. This sh!t won't stop any time soon.
@@pizzapower3166 true, but sometimes escapism means exactly that. If I watch a movie it absolutely shouldn't need to have every race, gender and creed in it, it shouldn't have to have a 'message' at all.
The more the layers of this onion get peeled away, the more depressing it gets. The people behind the productions, the grotesquely cynical PR, the hordes of dumb people who will consume anything without thinking, the grotesquely shallow and cynical media collusion... it seems like such an axis of awful, shallow, juvenile, anti-intellectual people with no imaginations, no sense of wonder, no inner child, no world view that didn't come from social media or a sitcom. And loads of vindictive resentment. Where is the joy? Movies and shows used to be about joy, adventure, wonder, humanity, relatable foibles. Now it's all just crass, juvenile, superficial PG-13 hell.
I remember 8 or 9 years ago watching Elysium in theaters and came out thinking "good god what a dreadfully bleak dystopian view of the future". And it's only got worse
10:20 "In order for this to be accessible to everyone." That's just ringing in my ears now. I think back to when I was young and discovered folk stories and fantasies from other cultures. I never felt I needed to be Japanese to appreciate their stories, nor did I feel that if a European knight showed up in any of those tales that only then would it be something I could relate to. Part of what makes things compelling to me is the "otherness" of them and I'm certain people of all different cultures have been enjoying Tolkien's work for many years prior to this. This notion is merely a craning of the neck on the part of certain individuals, they long to see themselves in everything because they are so bloody self absorbed. Fantasy should make you forget yourself in all the best ways. I'm truly disappointed in the Tolkien estate for allowing this.
They are absolute tools - accessibility is resolved by one thing: cash. You want to make everyone accessible to everyone? Make it cheap. Make it FREE. Oh? You need to make a profit as well? You need to re-think that accessibility crap and just make it good that people are willing to pay cash for. :p
Yes! Exactly! If you're writings modern day New York based story - diversify as much as you want and you probably can't overdo it. If you're coming up with a new sci-fi story set in space/future - invent races for all people care. But when writing about history and lore the diversity is already chosen for you. Disregarding that is just disrespecting a heritage that's not your own and robbing all audience of an opportunity to experience it as is.
Absolutely, I hate this progressive BS in classic legends and folklore. It’s not only destructive to the source material but insulting and dispossessive. It’s taking a part of classic ancient history and rewriting it in a way you see fit in a twisted selfish act. It’s absolute BS and heartbreaking to see the classic tales being torn to shreds and rebuilt in such an insulting unlikable way.
There was that "Gamers Are Dead" movement about 8 years back, giving voice to this increasing disdain media had for the fans. Of course it massively backfired at the time, but they never backed down or changed course. Fast forward and here we are, where the creators of media are not only no longer fans, but they openly hate the fans.
I forgot about that, I remember "GamerGate" but not "Gamers are Dead". The left are such arrogant entitled pricks thinking they can decide upon reality.
I do believe Gamersgate was the begin of this. Basically how they will never lived that one down and even more become evident how journos and other became so bias. Even the people saying to be "Anti capitalist" , yet they suck from corporates's d*cks to shill for them. I wonder WHY.
@@reedschadegg9023 Well yes, it always was harassment. Critics rightly pointed out just how many female characters existed only to provide eye candy for gamers, and the gamers who desperately wanted and needed the eye candy because they had no lives acted shocked and offended. Immature man babies got called out, and so they acted like THEY were the victims. Instead of refuting any of the arguments made by the critics, they simply blasted the appearance and personalities and lives of the critics. Strip away all the ad hominem attacks and there was nothing left, because--gasp!--the critics were right.
Rings of Power is one of the most tragicomic things I have ever witnessed. And I haven't even watched one episode. And the fact that they fired a Tolkien expert from the show is just a beautiful shit icing on the diarrhea cake they created.
Never quite understood why movies need to "reflect the world we live in", if they're set in a world we don't!
Exactly. It's a FANTASY world. Do these people know what a fantasy is?
Fuck it; I already know the answer to that
But if a fictional world is going to reflect ours, leave LotR out of it. And don't portray these fools as the heroes because they're not
They don't need to, that's exactly the point. It's just another phrase used to gaslight people into believing that what they are watching is a good movie/series and not a horrible piece of media just regurgitated in order to further an agenda. Ideally the movies would reflect the source material being either historical or fantastic in nature, deviating from it perhaps just slightly in order to create a better story flow (look at LOTR and how Peter Jackson cut out a few parts or slightly changed others to create a better narrative flow for example).
Because the Blackrock Foundation has melanin quotas?
What do you mean
@@andieallison6792 Just that movies don't need to reflect the world we live in, since they are movies (aka works of art which are at most based on our world but not meant to replicate it).
And that usually when this justification is used for a movie, it just means a group wanted to make yet another movie about "inclusivity" (so as not to seem racist or sexist, they have to have a black person or asian person, replace a male charater with a female one etc. not caring that them doing that only shows the exact opposite, that only skin color or your sex matters for if it didn't you would just cast the best actor for the job not caring about their sex or skin color).
That's why movies don't need to "reflect the world we live in" and that when you see this phrase you should expect another horrible movie caring only about those details mentioned above rather than a good story or compelling characters or a moral lesson to be had.
Have a beautiful day!
I was taken aback when I saw Top Gun Maverick in the theater and saw the special message from Tom Cruise at the beginning. He actually thanked fans for coming out to the theater to support his movie. I can't remember the last time a Hollywood actor actually thanked the public. A lot of Hollywood actors just like to lecture fans these days.
It takes serious people skills to join a cult and rise to become its god. A guy that sharp knows where his box-office money is coming from.
Quite a difference from an actress publicly whining because she was only paid 25 million for her last acting job which was 5 million less than her male costar was paid.
I didnt get into the theater in time to see the previews and beginning. Probably missed the intro your talking about. I got there as he was riding his bike to the hangar I think, about mid beginning credits
I'll bet Tom Cruise is pretty clicked on with the current Hollywood climate. Being a scientologist, who are severly anti-gay he and the rest of the woke zealots who now run Hollywood have distanced themselves from each other. Hell, they even shit on Chris Pratt because he's a Christian but despite doing or saying nothing controversial or antagonistic.
I'll bet Tom is seeing the writing on the wall and is taking advantage of that opportunity. And I hope he does more of it.
TC and Mark Hamill are very similar in that regard and only that regard. They are known for their absolute humility and gratitude with their fans in the general public. It's why I think neither own and operate their own studio despite the talent and other means to do so.
I remember when “Alien” came out in theatre (yes, I’m that old) and Sigourney Weever was just a-matter-of-fact lead. No “woman empowerment”, just a woman playing the role superbly
Those activists are insane - "woman empowerment" was called "leading lady" in the *black and white* films. There have been female centric films since film was invented - they just don't like the narrative that you had to look GOOD and act WELL to be on the camera.
That´s so true.
I’m not that old but I remember Tomb Raider on the PS1, everyone I knew loved her because she was awesome she have dual guns, she explores stuff, she can climb, smart.
Her gender was never an issue
I can say the same for Mila Jovovich in Resident Evil or Kate Beckinsale in Underworld franchises. Love those movies just the way they are with their female leads.
That's mainly because Ripley was a well written character that happened to be a woman.
Not the godawful "strong female character" we know today.
I think I read some trivia that said that the script didn't specify Ripley's gender and when Sigourney auditioned, they thought she was right for the part.
So Ripley became Ellen Ripley. A woman.
I always thought LotR was already very diverse. Hobbits, elves, orcs, dwarves, goblins, whatever Gandalf is. It’s all there
Well, yes, while having different races with wildly different values, life spans, ideologies, purposes, philosophies, social structures, histories, crafts, food, culture, architecture, politics, and physical features may seem pretty diverse, the only thing that actually matters is melanin content, you see. Everyone knows true diversity is only skin deep after all.
Gandalf is a Maia. Primordial spirits created to help the Valar first shape the World.
@@scode17 he’s also the same type of creature Sauron is
Thing is that it obviously is suppose to reflect some old European dark age mixed with magic.
as far as I know. There were none Africans in Europe in the old world.
I can believe in magic, but I cant believe in that
But no homosexuals or modern day democrat view points are in the LoTR,
This is why I respect the creators of Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul because at the end both the actors and the writers/producers thanked their fans for sticking with them for so long. When you create good product people will generally praise it, who would've thought?
I’ve never seen those but is it
Possible that was contrived too, in order to elicit the reaction that people keep showing in this comment section towards those series?
What the hell are you talking about lisa? Appreciating your fans isn't a bad thing.
@@SinDesigns For whatever reason there's a trend on the internet with people inserting that X or Y happened in order to elicit a certain reaction in the comment section, specifically on UA-cam.
My cynical self sees this as a marketing ploy, but my naive side really wants to believe that they felt the power of their viewership ploughing the series beyond their wildest imaginations.
@@darwincity how is it a marketing ploy when they did it AT THE END of series? Fans already watched it, noone is going to care to watch it afterwards cause they thanked fans, people are going to watch it because it's a good show.
The best counter example of the “fans are toxic and hate women and POCs” argument is Rogue One, which coincidentally released the same year as the Ghostbusters reboot. Rogue One is nearly universally loved by Star Wars fans, who generally agree that it’s the best thing Disney has done with Star Wars. This, despite having a female lead, her team which consists solely of POCs, her black mentor, and virtually every villain being a white male. Evidently fans really are more concerned with a good story than the makeup of the characters, and will eagerly support well-written females and POCs.
Exactly. Perfect example!
This ^
I didn't even realize that everyone else in the team was a POC until you pointed it out. It's almost like I didn't care about their skin color and liked the charakters because they were actually well written and interesting or something.
Fuck Rogue One should have made some of them aliens.
u nailed it, Spark!
I love how Twitter anti-capitalists all of sudden become the biggest corporate shills when these manufactured controversies get created that portray fans as bigots.
Yeah, Reddit is also full of people who virtue signal by calling people "incel sexist racists" if they don't slobber over Rings of Power.
@hope. That's disgusting you distubed sicko.
It's a platform for them to launch their propaganda, that's all.
They're only atni-capitalists because that's the popular trend right now.
Problem they were never anti-capitalist, they just don't want us to have any money.
They will glad take all the money themselves while others starve.
Unfortunately it’s much easier to label everyone bigots than it is to make a decent movie.
It’s easier to be cowed by accusations of racism than publicly admit the obvious truth, i.e., black people have an inferiority complex that manifests as victimhood and all concomitant white demonization.
Echoes of Gordon Brown labelling a Rochdale woman as a bigot rather than listening to her, but she expressed a point of view shared by millions who promptly voted him out.
Maybe when movie fans to do the same and "vote" against these virtue signalling productions, Hollywood will get the message ?
One requires talent, the other pure boldness, and not the good kind
The path of lest resistance is often the most take
This is why I praise Cobra Kai even after 5 seasons, they love their fans. And with it being the #1 show on Netflix again, the fans love them back
Praise for loving their fans but berate for being utter shite though? In all things balance!
Cobra Kai is the enemy of everything the modern showrunners care about
Loves the movies
Loves the fans
Is kickass as hell
Has nonwhite characters with actual endearing qualities and flaws
@@AcornElectron you must be talking about Rings of Power lol
@@ktanner438 they have all that and awesome fight scenes with actors that can hold their own
Cobra Kai was good then Netflix got their hands over it and they turned it to a high school drama, inclusion and we know what.
Been saying for a while that this is business model. The backlash is basically free marketing for them. Glad to see people spreading the word.
Oh good I'm not the only one. You have no idea how frustrating it is knowing what's going on and being surrounded by people who seem to go blind and stupid once they see it. Or maybe you do.
modern music also
And like any marketing campaign the best action to fight it is to ignore it.
The best thing you guys can do is ignore this crap and move on.
I've been saying for years that products like WWE have been declining for a long time, but the backlash from long time fans have only helped Vince McMahon's case to get more rich and relevant.
As long as people give Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power more attention, the more fuel that is added to the fire. Amazon will just use that to create another inferior product to use as propaganda so the cycle can repeat.
Stop giving them attention.
It’s such a cynical ploy, I’m amazed how many still fall for it
"Modern movies hate their own fans."
Drinker, that was *never* lost on us.
@Bully peter lick dong
yeah
I dunno, Sonic 2 felt like a love letter.
Idk man, star wars fans were gullible enough to sink with the ship
Yes but it needed to be said
They’re not “reflecting the world today” they’re reflecting the world they want.
Actually, there creating trends and stereotypes that weak minded people can associate to. It's just how they reprogram us.
They want to have a world where we own nothing and become happy, and that's a dystopian world that I don't want to live in.
It's like they have the inverse of George Washington's greatest strength. "Seeing things as they are, rather than he would wish them to be."
They don't want fans, they just want consumers
I keep saying this. Fans have standards. That's why they hate fans.
Yeah and they're failing at both.
They want clips for tiktok
“Don’t ask questions. Just consume product and then get excited for next product.”
They’re gonna get NEITHER if they keep on going the way they are!!!!!!:/:/
FANS = PROFITS
NO FANS = GOING BROKE!!!!!
Seems right to me!!!!!:/
It comes down to this: The public can complain all they want about films. But complaining doesn't matter if you are still shoveling them money. Swear off the industry and turn your back. THAT'S how you'll get them to change.
seriously, i don't understand all these people who still go see the movies they know they're going to hate because the somehow feel obligated to "check it out".
Indeed. And if you get really bored, it is always an option to go sail the high seas in search of plunder
Impossibly rich ESG investors will pick up the slack if its woke enough.
This! Especially there is soo many great, older movies, award winning from the times, when awards were meaningful. Try the originals before remakes guys, as it is worth it!
This is why I refuse to watch Rings of Power.
"I'm already paying for Prime" say my friends,
I reply "So you're going to increase the view count of this show, affirming its existence and implying to their corporation that you want more content like it?"
Rather than "Fan-Baiting," I prefer to refer to it as "Fantagonism."
They aren't trying to bait fans, they are trying to Antagonize us.
I'd say that the fan-baiting term is correct. The audience is intentionally provoked into a negative reaction, and then this natural and reasonable response is used as an excuse to silence any objective criticism.
Cute. But it will work for as long as there is a paying consumer interested in buying this rotten product. So far it seems to be working well enough.
It's just wokism, no need to invent a new word.
true. I thought fan baiting means you use something people are fans of in order to get them interested
Destroying traditions, even young ones created by Hollywood just a few decades ago, is done to demoralize people so that we're willing to accept communism. Enjoy your bug popcorn while watching movies about how brown lesbians saved America from White slaveowners.
@@kirkanos771 That term is easily brushed off because of the political association with the word "woke." Fan baiting sounds exactly like what it is.
“Get out of my friend ghost!” Truly brilliant dialogue.
*SLAPPPPP*
@@theminerboy5694 Is it bad that I laughed at that scene?
@@sparaxisblanc2473 No, but it isn't good. I like a lot of not very good stuff. I think The Good Fight is hilarious.
If it weren’t for people like Critical Drinker, Friday Night Tights etc, I think I’d honestly just be gaslit into thinking I’m the only one who thinks the way I do. I’m so thankful for these creators.
A lesson in 'trust your own gut'
Also a lesson in "go out and talk to people"
I'll just copy/paste my comment to the video, because I feel it's very relevant to your comment.
Before I found this channel, I thought I was an asshole for not liking many of the movies mentioned in this video. And I didn't like them because they shat on the entire lore of previous movies/source material, or were just poorly written and executed in general.
I absolutely hate the entire woke-ism in movies today, they just completely rewrite existing and established characters for the sake of it, instead of actually writing good new characters, or actually picking existing characters in franchises that fit to what they're trying to accomplish. - "Lets make Superman black"...... But you already have a character like John Stewart who is fucking awesome. But noooo, that doesn't create fanbait.
I hate what movies have become.
(Edit: spelling)
all of my friends who are tolkien fans have said theyre either very concerned about this show or flat out werent going to watch it based on amazons marketing. i decided to watch it because i like watching megacorporations burn through money faster than jeff bezos dick rockets burn rocket fuel.
100%
Your line "using actors as both weapons and shields" is so spot on. I don't understand why it is so difficult for certain groups of people to not see how they are being used by these media corporations, politicians and so on as pawns in this war against sanity. Well done as always friend.
They probably do see it, but they're in a very precarious spot. "Here's a suitcase full of money every day -- but say one wrong word and you're back to washing cars."
Remember Mark Hamill trying to warn people off the new SW? He's old, and he's already made his money and his place as Luke and Joker, but most of them either can't afford to rock the boat or just don't care.
It's the same way they use all the people Soros' NGO's cause to flood into the nations and how they use any possible minority group to attack the majority -- not so much because those people are a majority but because of their stable views on how the country should be run. Soros and company require chaos and massive changes in order to get people to accept an altogether reality, eating bugs, living in pods, etc. while those powerful people gain every bit of the rest of the wealth and contol over the populations.
@@stevenscott2136 There's an interview out there of Patrice O'Neal where he basically said the same thing, paraphrasing, "They throw all this money in your face and give you access to these fancy things because they know once you agree to be chewed up and shat out by the beast, they own you."
He said that was a big reason he never really played nice with Hollywood execs, because he didn't want to be in place where they could leverage his livelihood against him in order to control him.
Because these media corps, politicians, etc. appeal to these groups emotions, not their brains, it’s devilish brilliant and we can all fall for it we stop paying attention
"It's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him that he's been fooled."
When Morbius screamed "Black lives matter", then bit Sauron in the balls in Rings of Power.......man that scene made me cry
It's why I named my daughter Morbius
You won. Congratulations
No. The lbgtquia community complained the director is bi-phobic since morbius didn't come out as bisexual during that scene.
#MeToo
No one like these stupid fuckin “funny” comments anymore
i was starting to think something was just wrong with me. i used to love movies. something crept into them, corrupted them... made me not care what was out now. i don't think i've seen more than a dozen movies in theaters in the last decade plus some change. you're really hitting the nail on the head with your videos. keep up the good work m'man.
The most annoying aspect of fan baiting is it teaches people "don't be like those angry fans getting angry over dumb details, just shut your brain off and enjoy the show."
Immersion in a good film does that, not fan-baiting.
Fan-baiting does the opposite. It makes fans nitpick and be hostile cos they’re going in expecting to be patronised, lectured, shamed, and disappointed.
Hostile fan-baiting style marketing makes audiences overly critical to the point that they end up second guessing every POC or woman as a tokenised diversity hire instead of a legit casting.
We wanna give them the benefit of the doubt that it’s not tokenisation but Hollywood is now so cynical, hateful of fandom and devoid of creativity that it’s become impossible to look past race/gender-swapped characters
I've tried shutting my brain off and "just watching". It doesn't work. The stuff's so bad you can't stand it, even with no brain.
"shut up and dribble"
while I agree with the overall statement, you should try not taking fictional media personally, life gets much more easier and enjoyable
@@justicewokeisutterbs8641 I’d be more capable of shutting my brain off I wasn’t being constantly patronised and talked down to
Seeing the fan attacks for Rings of Power, was more than enough proof that Amazon can’t take an iota of criticism!!!
Truth
No one in Hollywood can. Welcome to the participation trophy generation. Thats what happens when people get applauded by their parents for pissing in a toilet at the age of thirty.
Fuck these bots, man.
So much for the Amazon creed "Amazon's “Day 1” mentality is our approach of doing everything with the energy and entrepreneurial spirit of a new organization on its first day. Working to earn and keep our customers' trust is the single biggest driver of Amazon's Day 1 approach."
It's all being done on purpose. It's called "fan-baiting". It's a marketing technique designed to generate artificial controversy, garner publicity, and explain away negative reviews by playing the victim and gaslighting the reviewers as being bigots. This way, the movie or show gets its own victim status and is praised by all the virtue signalers and activists as being "stunning and brave" regardless of how bad the intrinsic artistic content really is.
A very good example of this is Prey. Generally, audience response was very positive, and even fans of The Predator said it was a good film, even if it had little to do with The Predator. However, articles were written and Twitters posted about how toxic fans hated the movie. Except, they didn't. This proves that Fanbaiting is not a reaction to fan response but a deliberate marketing ploy. They assumed fans would hate the movie, and they were mostly wrong.
In/Frame/Out even did this in his video on Prey, intererupting his otherwise interesting analyisis of Prey in order to give a cringey and pandering diatribe about how people who critisize Prey for being woke are mysoginistic weirdos, and even had a brief shot which said "Mary Sue: When a Woman can do something a man does, but the film doesn’t drop what it's doing to prove that. (According to Critical Drinkers and other a**holes)." I love I/F/O. He has good taste in movies, is great at analyzing film, and I love anyone who unironically likes Freddy Got Fingered. But that moment made me internally cringe.
Well. People don't really care much for Predator. because its had many rediculous movies afterwards. its not a "universe" go really get invested in. i didn't think prey was very good. just meh. but who would even really care. its not a movie people would get very upset over.
Interesting point. Although it wasn't great I did enjoy it. I wonder if anyone is going to approach these journalists and ask them for hard evidence on their claims?
For every obviously terrible corporate project you see go support an independent creator that actually deserves your attention instead
Evidence? When was the last time journalists nowadays worried about evidence?
My wife took our niece to see Ghostbusters in 2016 and neither thought much of the film. It was nice to hear their laughter from the living room later that evening, watching the original. The bottom line is if it were a great film, a greater number of people would have praised it.
Ah, from the mouth of babes laughter shall guide the way of truth
And the GB2016 creators had so many horror tropes just ripe for picking (such as Final Girl) at.
I like burgers
@@sandman4324 Burgers are tasty. I had a portabella mushroom burger the other day with some guacamole, munster cheese, and a side of chips.
@@jaroldscottwilliams.3rd832 I eat a king box
(I hate the English language)
At this point I expect to hear every Hollywood marketing campaign to say:
“People who look like me”
“Reflect today’s world”
“See themselves on screen”
“Toxic fandom”
“-ist and -phobe”
This usually translates to them having nothing of substance to say in the film, no compelling story, or interesting character arcs.
great comment, soo true.
Yep. Why can't you just be like the people who advertised films like Encanto that talked about their diversity AND their quality. Oh, wait. You can't. Why? Because, unlike Encanto which is a masterpieces ALL YOU CREATE IS CRAP!! Also, watch Encanto. I know it's a bit overrated but, that film actually has great writing.
@@pizzapower3166 exactly. just create new shows with diversity. People will love them no matter what if it has good writing. Race swapping ariel is not a solution. It shows how 'lazy' they are to come up with new ideas and how they milk money from previously successful shows
@@pizzapower3166 Or just make a good movie like Encanto, the work will stand on its own merits. The fact that it is about hispanics should be just a side note w/an opportunity for different folks to experience aspects of hispanic culture. Leave it at that.
Name one marketing campaign that’s done that, incel?
"This character is gratuitous, annoying, and badly-written."
"But they're a minority... RAAACIIIIIISSSST!!!"
Says more about the writers portraying them like that, than the criticism that they are poorly written!
There was a time when movies and shows were keenly anticipated, now all people feel is dread at another franchise sucked dry, and I don't just mean Morbius.
My dog is also a minority.
Now where is its hollywood star, haha.
"I do not even know the race of your hack writers, you fool"
That makes no sense when you and your wretched kind were complaining and bombing the show before one episode played so yes you are RACIST most likely.
Disney has made an art form out of wetting the bed and blaming the blankets.
good one 😎
I remember when my publisher told me he wanted me to make my book as controversial as possible as it would stimulate book sales. He cared nothing about informing the public, only excited their information.
That's rough. It's amazing how people can sacrifice all integrity at the altar of cash
After Brie Larson spent 3 years of being an arrogant, annoying, self-entitled #girlpower representative, the best thing was to see her frustration when she admitted nobody wanted to see her as Captain Marvel anymore, not even Marvel
What a shame. She's. So. Likable.
She even needed an ass double. Women always showing they're the weaker sex while being completely oblivious to it.
smashing that F for poor Brie
@time to leave earth I TOTALLY agree with that video. And it definitely aged well when talking about Larson, and also another thing it touched on which most videos about this stuff don't is that diversity can be beneficial to achieve a common goal, but if DIVERSITY is the goal, then good movies never get made.
:)
Brie is such a delight.
I’ve noticed how in almost every kids movie, not only is the male lead is weak and submissive, and the female is condescending and dominant - but they continually hit and beat the boy. Lesson for the children: domestic violence is totally fine as long as a girl does it. Sadly I’ve seen my daughter copying the behavior, and we’re having to teach her that it’s not OK… what the %#*# is going on!?? How is this getting past test audiences!?
Especially in anime, the tsundere stereotype is just overbearing and frankly bitchy.
@@joelgittens6857 What makes anime just a little more believable is that tsundere are usually understood as employing this attitude a defense mechanism, while it really signals a concealed attraction or admiration. This is very common with women who hold themselves to a standard, and don’t want to come off as too willing
I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing this. Already when I was a kid, I noticed that in kids movies or other media a female lead will be great, smart, strong and everything and a boy lead will be the comedic relieve. Sometimes it even portrays every male character as a stupid moron who most likely has to figure out how to breathe every morning.
@@antithesentv305👍👍👍
Well, yeah, but men are the majority that get everything and oppress everyone else, didn't you hear?
And then these people wonder why male suicide rates are so high
Remember when Better Call Saul ended, and we got a 2 minute segment of all the actors giving us, the fans, a big and sincere thank you? I was honestly moved. Media has been forcing all sorta of political garbage down my throat, and calling me racist for not enjoying it. And here comes an 11/10 show, that is amazing to watch, that doesn't push the message, and then thanks me for making the show possible, by being a fan. A rare feeling these days. It goes to show that when you have top class acting and writing, you don't need to shame and attack people into liking your show. I wish we got more of that.
I regularly leave comments on small channels to show appreciation, perhaps something that small makes a different and brightens somebody's day
The pervasive self-importance of so much of the movie/TV industry mainstream makes it essentially impossible to thank anyone but themselves. Everything that isn't positive is a personal affront that must come from some illegitimate source. When you live inside that sort of bubble you're certain to increase your failure rate and by consequence increase the depth of paranoia and vitriol inherent in your reactions to every tiny little remark made at odds with your own perceived "perfection" of both you and your product.
@Raylan Givens Kim was extremely well written. She felt like a real person. Both breaking bad and better call saul are so good to watch because all the details mattered. Even if they stretch reality or coincidences, it was full of grey moral areas, themes, and humor that isn’t cheap one liners.
Great show, great characters. No message or politics. Unfortunately, I seem to be the only person that didn't like the second half of season 6.
Vince Gilligan is one of the few genuine talents and genuine great people in the business these days.
The line about actors being used as weapons and shields is spot on
Meanwhile, Tom Cruise leads his movie with a sincere thank you and a smile for the fans. Man might be a scientologist loon but damn if he isn't the best filmmaker today and the last remnant of Hollywood.
It turns out scientology is less crazy than the other Hollywood cult.
Probably cuz Tom Cruise seems to be the only one that takes his job seriously.
Just wait until people realize that socially and politically scientologists are actually relatively conservative in nature...perhaps VERY conservative.
He is logicallllllll
That intro before Maverick honestly surprised the hell out of me--definitely something he didn't have to do, since there was so much hype for it and would have done well regardless, but a little gesture like that goes a long way to building goodwill.
I didn’t even realize that the OG cast had started shilling for ROP and Amazon… now that’s just pitiful. Just goes to show how much of a bubble Hollywood and entertainment is, when you are willing to defend a show and giant corporation that actively trashes your own precious years of acting and hard work. Your *definitely* the resistance, guys.
Reminds me of Markipliers famous quote" me dumb unus, me like this ha ha me like this kind thing".
@@hammeredllama That is literally what shilling is. These OG actors aren't in contract to Amazon; and if they are, it is still shilling. Do you not know what shilling is? This is literally shilling, because they are being paid to do it. ffs, use your head for thinking instead of smashing it against a person's butt
Lmao they’re actors.
They were paid to say the things they pretend to think that they mean.
That’s also what they want.
They know what they are doing.
They want you to think what these guys think they think that way they can use such like your complaints to their advantage and call you every “ist” and “phobe” in the SJW handbook.
Sorry for the confusion.
Here’s an edit to fix that!
@@justaguyonyoutube4592 eh what do you know you're just a guy on UA-cam
It's so frustrating watching ALL of my favorite live action franchises stoop to such mediocrity. If back in 2007 you told me we'd be getting a Halo series, an Obiwan and Boba Fett series, a new Star Was trilogy, a new Jurrasic Park trilogy, two new Resident evil projects unrelated to the original film franchise, all the marvel content you could ask for and a billion dollar LOTRs series I would have probably died from excitement overload. But the mediocrity that they have become is beyond any disappointment that words could ever express.
I've already forgotten that there's a Halo series. 🤣 Goes to show you just how forgettable Hollywood runoff truly is these days.
FACTS
@@JohnGardnerAlhadis Haha! I forgot its existence too!
It's tragic to see the state of live action entertainment. It's just a total disaster. I remember having such amazement at the quality of cinema when watching the actual LOTR trilogy in theaters. That was a beautiful experience. Now? There's nothing that comes close and I don't think there will be anything that comes close for a long time.
All I can say is...thank god for Japan and anime. They just don't give a damn and focus on making the things they want. And they are still producing great shows and franchises.
So true. I remember the sheer excitement I had when I found out they were making episode 7-9 of SW, all the fan theory videos, the trailer breakdowns, all the hype. It was like living in a dream world. Then the movies happened, and I was shocked how bad they were. I couldn't fathom how they botched it and made it so un interesting. I lost all faith in Hollywood after that and it's been a total downward spiral since then.
She hulk was a big example of this.
I agree I had to stop watching She Hulk it was just to dumb
Who would have expected a masculine woman to be uninteresting? Normal women spend actual money on looking feminine and men appreciate the result, so who was their actual audience there?
@TheGreatEggKing You missed out on nothing.
Wasn't terrible outside of the writers never missing a chance to shit on men. Men may have undervalued women in shows and films in the past but there wasn't a trend of insulting and mocking them in general.
@TheGreatEggKing good damn decision...
i got to maybe episode 3 or 4 before i gave up in disgust... i so so hoped it ould actually have something....
Fanbaiting actually explains the crazy noticeable drop off in quality in the last 6 years perfectly. God I hate movie studios, it honestly is driving back to just reading books and saying screw you to movies in general.
Maybe being driven back to books, indie films, and walking outdoors isn't such a terrible thing, though! The way Hollywood had been going since the late 1990s, with product placements and agendas dictating more and more of the script and mise-en-scene, this was bound to come.
@@castafioreruby9937 I'd suggest you watch any of the Bond movies ... there's product placement practically from day one.
It's not 'new'.
It is more noticable if you are of the same generation/region as the movie.
Demolition Man ('93) even swapped out a line about Taco Bell for Pizza Hut depending on what region it was released in ...
Try to develop a taste for silent film. There's probably a thousand full length ones on here. They're more like painting meets music rather than the traditional talkies or the ones that were made after 1929. You can pause them and come back because it's a pretty intense viewing experience. You can't look away really that much and expect to have the dialogue carry you. Lon Chaney is a good one to search for but make sure it's the father not the son.
@@magmasunburst9331 Thank you, I will try.
@@NotTheStinkyCheese You're absolutely right. I'm not saying these things started in the '90s, just saying that the bubble had to burst sometime. Looks like this is the end, right now.
The two extremes of this is Top Gun, and Star Wars.
Top Gun had a message thanking fans before the movie even started.
Star Wars had Mark Hamill throw away a lightsaber.
Yep, and that's why it blew every movie recently out of the water with some of the best user ratings in the last 5 years. No politics, no "MESSAGE", no forced diversity, or trying to jam a narrative down our throats, and without the actors or people that worked on the film lecturing us outside of the movie 24/7, instead Tom thanked the fans.
No wonder it did so well. Taking a ****in' hint, Disney?
@@aa-ze5cz I disagree about "no MESSAGE". Top Gun was literarily a recruitment piece for the Navy. A movie that glorifies military service has a hidden message specially for the youth.
@@guapitok4 I think you're reading WAAAAY to into it. So every firefighting movie is a recruitment for firefighters? Every sports movie is a recruitment for people to get into that sport? Every cooking movie is a recruitment for chefs/waiters? C'mon man....
What I'm talking about is I didn't have to sit down and be berated because I'm of a certain gender, sex, political or social affiliation, or hit over the head about diversity while shaming me and the public about what we need to do, all the meanwhile Hollyweird being one of the most hypocritical group of people alive.
@@aa-ze5cz you are over generalizing what I said. Not every movie is a recruitment piece. I’m just pointing out that using Top Gun as a symbol of a “no message” in movie is wrong. The movie clearly has a message that glorifies the Navy.
@@jonathanayala7345 lol, okay.
"The sad reality is: controversy creates attention"... so basically how social media and "algorithms" work as well.
However, in the movie business where you need revenue, it doesn't create customers.
Okay soo... I've kinda become a conspiracy theorist about this shit at this point. Like no joke, I don't think projects like Rings of Power makes any money from bad publicity. I'm actually thinking that the corruption and inhumane toxicity of our political landscape is beginning to compromise our media. Well no shit right? But seriously... What if go woke go broke wasn't true. What if these projects were privately funded in the first place? Hear me out...
So our political landscape is rife with corruption. Statistics from activists groups and government agencies alike intentionally show a small part of the full picture about a particular issue, but just enough to the extent that the blame could be directed in a place where it objectively doesn't belong. Prejudice in America for example is definitely a problem, but I personally don't really think it's as much an issue as our politicians make it out to be. For the sake of argument, let's say that social injustice in western society is across the board the lowest it has ever been. So then, how do you justify your social justice program? Well... you go on a witch hunt. You go find every single person who has ever said or done anything even remotely hinting at their slightly skewed perception of another oppressed group and bring it into the public eye and slander them for it. That at least explains political correctness. But there's more...
So then let's say maybe that isn't effective enough or maybe you want to do more to prove that racism exists. The next step would be to go out of your way to force it out of people by fabricating it. You take beloved movies that were created in a northern European fantasy setting and give it a blm face lift while simultaneously inserting a disproportionate amount of other oppressed groups into the main cast until the property is so far away from what you would expect from a Lord of the Rings film that you are actually kind of frustrated about it. People give it dislikes and angry comments on social media and *bam. You have 'racism', 'sexism', 'homophobia', 'transphobia', 'misogyny'... and everything you would need to justify your social justice programs.
But I'm not sure. Maybe I'm completely wrong about this, but I really do think there's a lot of money backing these terrible decisions. It makes sense from a broad scope perspective. It fits right in with the pure definition of victimhood narcissism. And as long as you are getting money from people who are willing to help with your cause, why not continue? Especially if it financially sustains you.
It's the same mentality as "There is no such thing as bad PR"
Right! It's the same approach as the US TikTok approach China takes.
Yeah, though it doesn't work quite as well for Hollywood. Pretty much all their movies are not only boring infantile supervigilante in a too tight speedo pants, they are losing so much money that the studio's are collapsing and they need to buy eachother up to prevent a bankruptcy collapse.
This explains so much. I used to check online for the critics' reviews when deciding on a movie,but lately I've noticed that professional critics,Rotten Tomatoes for example,are rarely agreeing with the public. Now when I'm undecided about a movie,I either check the opinion of Google users or look for reviews on UA-cam.
The only critic I ever believed was Roger Ebert. Since he died , I only believe the audience score.
You have imdb
@@axcn4733 Still unreliable every Indian movie has a rating of 8 because they are so many indians
@@KennyNGA i really dont care about indian movies. do you?
I trust the UA-camrs 10000x’s more than modern critics.
A good example of the fan base power over the industry was when they memed Morbius so hard that Sony thought the movie was a success and re released it only for it to fail for a second time 😂
@MR map what?
It's Morbing time
And now it has a sequel confirmed...
I remember seeing memes the very next day asking for Sony to do it again because every body was busy that week lmfao
The studio got Morbed i guess
It's frustrating to hear someone imply that a work of fiction needs to include certain demographics in order to be "accessible". I've never felt alienated from a piece of media just because it featured demographics different from mine. If someone can't enjoy a piece of media without having characters of their gender/skin color/sexuality in a prominent role, then in my opinion, that's their bias at work, not a problem with the work itself.
Basically, they are calling "minorities" racist! 😄
Not your opinion.
FACT.
I love and can relate to Taylor Mason in Billions and I'm not non-binary.
I love and can relate to Ripley in Alien and I'm not a woman.
I love and can relate to Michael Corleone in Godfather and I'm not a sociopathic crime lord who has his own brother killed.
I love and can relate to Gollum in LotR and I'm not a ... whatever he is...
I love and can relate to Captain Kirk and I'm not an arrogant but brilliant star ship captain.
I love and can relate to Data and I'm not an android.
I love and can relate to Elliott and I don't have an Extra-Terrestrial as a friend.
I love and can relate to Rocket (City of God) and I never grew up in Rio's slums...
I love and can relate to ... well, pretty much any well written and well acted character... because I am a human...
But it must be well written and well acted.
Seven Samurai is one of my favourite films, but I have nothing in common with any of the characters culturally or physically. These race grifters are suggesting people can only empathise with their reflection in the mirror; that human characteristics and emotions aren't universal.
By their logic, Black Panther should have flopped
C.S. Lewis once said, "In the highest aesthetic circles, one now hears nothing about the artist's duty to us; it is all about our duty to him. He owes us nothing, we owe him recognition, even though he has never paid the slightest attention to our tastes, interests, or habits. If we don't give it to him, our name is mud. In this shop, the customer is always wrong." He said this some sixty or seventy years ago. The man had the modern world pegged perfectly.
Read "Out of the Silent Planet" by C.S. Lewis
@@janusn9 I've read the entire space series. I especially liked That Hideous Strength.
People like that don't peg an age of the world, they peg human nature and make their words apply to all ages.
Damn that's deep...
@@nathansto2900 And that is fundamentally why we don't see that kind of wisdom in our [current year] paradigm. Modern people don't believe in a fundamental human nature, they believe that everything is a product of social systems.
I had no problem with Jason Momoa playing Aquaman, because it seems appropriate for the king of the sea to be played by a Pacific Islander, and because Momoa replicates the “Underwater Conan” look of the 90s. But it makes zero sense to have someone literally called Snow White be played by a nonwhite actress.
Just remember industry, the Sonic movie became a success and a franchise BECAUSE THEY LISTENED TO THEIR FANS!!!!!
Well, Jeff Fowler is a fan himself who knows the characters and series, but he's also a competent director and a real humble guy to boot.
I've seen both films and think they're great! I especially love what they did with Knuckles!
Can't say the same thing about the IDW Sonic comics, though...
And the media outlets all decried this, as if changing an aspect of a movie that fans disliked was akin to negotiating with terrorists.
@@KasumiKenshirou The media loves to bash on Sonic, frankly. They only liked him in the 90s because he was a fad to them.
I'm still wondering who the hell thought the original design was a good idea to release to all of us in the first place before the redesign. The first design was so terrible that really nobody in the crew members thought "yeah this is terrible, we should redesign it"
They're pretty crap movies tbf
As always, the Drinker's take on these issues is spot on.
Don't want backlash? Make good movies & shows. Don't fuck with source material. Don't expect great content by just pitching "let's make XX (Ghostbusters, LoTR, etc, etc), but with chicks/minorities/etc". Don't hinge $100M projects on unproven directors & writers who've only written papers in gender studies.
In the immortal words - That's all I've got...go away now.
Backlash makes headlines, headline make tweets, tweets mean publicity. These are people shameless enough that any publicity is good. Hate-watchers buy tickets too.
1) Not a fan of RoP - didn’t make it past ep 1, bad acting / script
2) However if we were to strictly interpret all source material, we would be a society living under the laws of the Old Testament…
White Jesus was the OG affinity casting/re-interpretation?
Same argument can be made for the constitution - re: don’t fuck with the source material (e.g., women’s suffrage, 14th amendment)
@@Bronte6497 no the constitution has a mechanism to add changes because the founders did not want future generations to be constrained by the past. Thats why we have them amendments
I love how Disney came to the defense of Rose from Star Wars. Only to give her the shaft in the final movie, because that's how toothless they really are.
They defended her in the US. They dumped her because of China...
Or turned the main black character into the comic relief and called the fans racists
@@techvirus And removed Finn from posters in China, because Disney knows many Chinese viewers ARE racist and Disney still wants their money.
@@techvirus Or removing said character from the posters in china.
A term I came up with to describe this:
"Hot Button Sheild": including a hot button issue in a creative work for the purpose of deflecting criticism.
The sad thing is many movie companies aren't just using a hot button shield to deflect normal criticism, but as a way to excuse putting 0 effort into something and pretending it's a masterpiece despite audiences calling it out.
It's interesting seeing movie studios adapt to a market where they *know* their products will fail. They're instead monetizing the outrage.
Viewers give money. Bad reviews don't do squat.
the small hats no longer need money they have all of it. they want to demoralize you
The only thing they're doing is damaging their own credibility and reputation, and driving more revenue to true critics like the drinker. Both are not bad outcomes in my opinion.
No one I know considers the squeal trilogy our the other crap that's been pooped out the last 5 years to be canon. No one.
It is not about the money, it is about pushing The Agenda. 😄
@@Fridaey13txhOktober Hollywood was better when they were more about the money. But cmon, they always were pushing an agenda. They were just more subtle about it in the old days.
-Makes a fantasy movie
-“we have to reflect the world we live in today”
Just reflect the world the author intended. Not especially complicated.
@@MaximusWolfeWell, yeah, but you'd be surprised at how shallow these people are
Fans: "You have no soul!"
Modern Movies: "And that is why I have no fear!"
I love the transformers reference, lol.
Oh the fear will come when the money doesn’t show up.
You will be. You will be.
eyyy i know that reference
@@uss_cushing but the money is coming in because the same people who hate the shows and movies, are still spending money on them.
Watching this nine months after the release date and these tactics still exist but it feels like fans have had enough. Movie studios are still trying to fanbait but it's not showing at the box office. Disney has had failure after failure and no amount of fanbaiting has changed that. All it has done is destroy their reputation and alienate their fanbases. Hopefully, we're entering a post-fanbaiting era finally.
they're not creating anything, they're just destroying everything creative.
Or shoving an unrelated political point into it for the sheer sake of virtue signalling
Jesus the Holy Christ, is that really you? I'm your biggest fan! Just one question: can you give us an ETA on your return yet? Things have been getting kinda heated since you left around two millennia ago
@@HamHock-Jones true that lol
Please come soon 😢
@@Izthefaithful ❤☦
Sort of like how people turned Jesus into a White man?
This is why apathy is the cure. Giving these toxic creators your attention and money is a mistake, for these people all publicity is good publicity. Don't hate watch or post hate reviews, watch stuff you like or better yet support good media and/or create your own. Essentially don't feed the troll.
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When fans collectively realize that new content doesn’t always mean it’s good content, that is when this will fade away into obscurity.
Remember kids: everything's OK with apathy!
Don't feed the trolls. Been saying that for years. It is the only way. You're a wise individual.
It's exactly like dealing with a narcissist. Probably because we're dealing with narcissists.
I still recall a time when we went to movies to escape the real world, not to have it shoved down our throats along with our popcorn and drinks. Well done, Will. Well done, indeed.
When actors were hired so they could play a role, not play themselves. When gay men were hired to play straights and straights were hired to play gays.
Overpriced popcorn and drinks. Just saying.
Yeah. Like Tom Hanks in Philadelphia.
@@Robot-Overlord Movie theaters make almost no money from ticket sales. Food keeps them in business. It's not "overpriced", it keeps the theater in business. So don't hesitate to buy food.
Sometimes the best movies have real world messages as it’s main theme, but yeah.
Multiple directors, producers, actors, etc have admitted in interviews their dislike for the original content (The Witcher, Thor, Snow White, Star Wars, etc).
The absolute most frustrating thing that Hollywood is doing with casting diverse characters is that they are so preoccupied with diversity that they are doing it all for the wrong reasons and not giving these characters proper and worthwhile character arcs to actually give a crap about.
yes now women or poc, their character often comes down to being a minority (and a victim) living stereotyped intrigues reinforcing this idea, and/or they are presented as flawless and always right, even when they are occasionally wrong and behaving stupidly. Instead they could be writen like complex individuals living universal things most of the time (what happens in real life) and not being perfect
right?! And these roles tend to be 'the scraps', with the leading roles still going to white actors. It's diversity by tokenism - they're never going to cast a person of color as Galadriel. Now I'm Caucasian, but I would love to see an all black cast in a African-based mythological tale with a really solid plot (and no stereotyping). But Hollywood won't take risks on new projects, so they hash and re-hash existing stories, the vast majority of which were written from a white perspective.
Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn’t stop to think if they should.
It goes beyond just casting choices (or quota’s), studios are doing the same thing with script writers and directors/producers/etc.. Despite huge budgets they are all just amateur high school A/V club experiments.
Diverse just means less white people and diversity is just the excuse for enacting more white erasure. biologically and culturally.
This is exactly the type of analysis we need in wake of the flaming trash of She Hulk, and the pretentious cringe of Rings of Power. Excellent as always, TCD
@just i c e go away bot
that twerk scene is cringe
They don't care what we think!
@just i c e I know you are not a bot but you act like a bot which is why me and the other 99% of the people who see a random link at the top of every reply line will never click on them. The whole replying to yourself with Fax every time is a flashing neon sign screaming it's all BS. You make the bot links for porn, cryptocurrency and "my friend makes $500 an hour" look natural by comparison. Pop up adds shake their head when you walk by. People who upvote their own comments face palm when you walk by because they, at least, don't use multiple accounts to upvote themselves multiple times.
That's more than a little harsh on She-Hulk. Yeah it could be done better, but calling it trash? Can't say I agree with that one.
When pushing a stupid narrative is more important than telling a good story with great character development. That’s when entertainment dies😢
It's unfortunate, but today's day and age people get exposure through social media. What trends most on social media? Outrage on something. Literally the thing that gets the most tweets, likes, etc. are things that people are passionate about and people get most passionate when they fucking hate something or are against something. The movie companies don't care much about the story. Everyone there is to get famous or rich. In order to get famous or rich, you need people to watch your movie and for people to watch your movie, they need to know about it. Exposure is easiest through controversy so they've just taken that route.
That's not true. Por.n is entertaining without much of narrative.
@@KowalDWR por.n isn't a story told through the medium of a movie, it's por.n and dsn't need narrative
Good thing we have so many gold classic movies, series and games, you don't need to keep up with the current trends, there's always sonething good to watch/play.
@@nathanielbird9552 I think you're overthinking the comment.
Agree 100%, also to add another example was Ving Rhames playing Kingpin in daredevil, he did a fabulous job with no fan blow back because of great story, and acting
I believe that was actually Michael Clarke Duncan, but yeah. He WAS the Kingpin in that movie. Used to love the Spider-Man and Daredevil comics and thought Kingpin was a great villain, didn't bother me a bit that they race-swapped him for the movie because his presence was the character's most important thing, not his race.
"Why Modern Movies Suck - They Hate Their Own Fans" sums it up perfectly
Every recent movie.
✅ White man is the villain
✅ Black man is the hero
✅ Woman has the balls
✅ Dad is an idiot
✅ Mom is the breadwinner
✅ Children don't respect their parents
Movies are now social engineering, not entertainment.
"We have to reflect the world we live in today"
Then why TF do I not see any Starbucks and livestreaming hobbits, and dwarves on Twitter in Middle Earth, huh?!
That's why I like how the Cobra Kai series makes subtle fun of the current "modern times" soyboy, feminazi, woke, SJW twitter cancel culture. *Love it!*
@@RCLIM-yx8gv exactly, even older movies didn't always reflect the sensibilities of the times they were made in. they would be period pieces and show the sensibilities of the time period the story was set in.
Man there are Great movies too with Black cast
Like Planet of th-
I love how she says this is progressive and yet my favorite shows growing up in the 90s were about black families. We never cared. It's annoying. We just wanna see good content. Give us that and the majority won't complain.
Fred Sanford was more interesting than all the Black TV characters created since 2012 combined.
@K Cheng Delete your comment right now before you start an argument. There are already too many arguments in the replies of other comments and your one too many.
That’s a good point, I used to love watching Family Matters, The Cosby Show, The Bernie Mac Show, etc.
You know one of my favorite characters of all time is Gus from Psych. They make plenty of racial comments in that show, but it never came across as race-baiting. I’ve watched the show a million times, and I just love the dynamic. It’s a black man and a Latin man, and yet race is rarely the focal point.
Oh how media storytelling has fallen.
@T Mac I grew up on the reruns. Good shows are timeless. 99% of the things made in the past two decades didn't make it past their first decade or month.
By trying to fit a piece of media into a box that "matches the times we're living in", you miss out on the opportunity to make something timeless. It's the universal stories of human character (good and bad) that stand the test of time
To fit something into box you need to cut it
Perfectly said!!
and it also has to match the setting of the movie or tv show. If I make a movie about ancient greece, rome or china, it makes no sense to make it look like modern day europe or america. Zero sense. The immersion gets lost
For example, the actual Lord of the Rings trilogy. Whenever I watch it, I feel like I’m watching the events of a fantasy world (which I assume was the aim) instead of being lectured at about the then ongoing social issues. As a result, I can sit down and watch it in 25 years and still love it.
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The purpose of these “creators” is not to create meaningful art (in this ideology), but to be an agent of social/political change. They bait fans so they can role-play that they are in the civil rights movement of the last century and risking their lives for oppressed groups, when all they are really willing to risk is some twitter hate (even that shatters them). It’s not just to distract from their sheit movie, but to crown themselves as a modern civil rights champion, like a King or Tubman. In the end, it’s just egotism and self-stroking.
There is only one way to stop this. Stop watching their movies altogether and go watch stuff made by people who actually love their fans. At some point they will have to realize their mistakes. But it won't happen if we keep feeding them what they want.
Can't believe people aren't doing this already.
You’re half right. Yeah to hell with the lecturing and the shaming and the lazy writing.
It’s not their job to wet nurse you though and pretend to love you.
They’re here to entertain (or so I thought) their customers.
Dunno about you but I don’t need a thank you. Entertainment is enough
True. Your attention is far more valuable than your dollar
Imo it is not about loving your fans but more about loving your work and your creation. You can feel the passion and love of the guys that produced great movies and shows.
Yea I'm quite the lotr fan but what I've heard so far is already enough for me to not even bother watching that bs
It`s quite depressing that studios kept on choosing to go to war with their fanbases, doing fan-baiting, and telling them off on what they should like. At this point, I`m just glad that an increasing number of people noticed this issue more and more, and started raising awareness. Thankful to these channels that are both amusing and informative, I thought I had the wrong taste for entertainment until I found this community.
Anyways, as a alien cyborg with lung asthma used to say, "Ah, a fine addition to my collection!"
Edit: Holy Moly Guacamole! "Thanks for the likes everyone!"
It's almost like they hate earning money from their fan base, which is literally the most solid part of profit for any film and TV series.
At this point it’s click bait.
I believe he had COPD rather than asthma
It's good that the drinker is taking a look at this, but equally the moral is that if you get too publicly upset about this sort of thing, you're only encouraging them. The thing is to be critical in private networks, and not actually add to the buzz. Don't push your stuff out there, or you'll attract the attention of those who will see it more because they're wondering "what all the fuss is about" rather than for other reasons. Gripe in private in sympathetic domains rather than putting stuff "out there" to people who don't understand where you're coming from because that will add to the feedback loop. Oh ... and don't watch the damn things.
Fan-baiting is a sociopathic tactic. Some smart but evil people being highly manipulative, this matches the definition of sociopath.
There are lots of sociopaths in nowadays government, media and celebrity business.
I've also noticed that movies and TV shows seem to be written by dramatists - writers who I suspect have very little life experience but have been inspired by other writers, playwrights and poets, so their impression of the human experience is all very theatrical and quixotic. We no longer have stories being written by people who have struggled, worked hard, started business, studied history, fought in a war, etc. I don't think many of them even understand what a healthy relationship (friendship, family, marriage) looks like. It's very apparent because they just don't seem to understand human nature.
I have a hunch most is writen by some AI these days, not humans anymore
Great point.
That’s it!
No wonder the phrase „Hard times create strong men/women/whatever, strong men create easy times, easy times create weak men“ is even a term that exists.
isn't that the concept of hyperreality? am i using that term correctly?
I've been saying it!! After suffering through a couple episodes of Rings of Power, my only conclusion is that there is NO WAY it was made terrible on accident. It was 100% a billion dollar Amazon commercial, made to piss off fans, and hiding behind it's POC. More controversy means more reviews, more mentions, more attention.
I think Galaxy Quest is an incredible film that loves its fans, and honors fanbases of all kinds by showing them having power to have an impact on the properties they love.
yeah it is one of the best out there.
Galaxy quest was brilliant, written, and acted, no one gave a crap about being offensive or who it would affect, it was a fun poke at scifi that all fans loved, and got on with
Nowadays scfi be it marvel or dc etc has a different agenda, they don’t write for a story, they write and direct to push an agenda, a narrative
That’s not writing, that’s a fear of not complying
Sadly story telling has gone…please come back story telling
Me and my husband were just talking about that movie yesterday after watching Aliens. I definitely need to watch it again. Love that movie.
And being hilarious at the same time
By Grabthar's Hammer what a comment!
What really boggles my mind is that in lore Galadriel is exteremely powerful, one of the greatest magic holders in Tolkien’s universe, she is thousands of years old and has seen and done pretty much everything by the time we see her in Rings of Power.
So why is it that she acts like a human? Why does she behave as though she is barely 20?
The truth of the matter is that far too many writers are incapable of imagining someone who doesn’t behave that way, they lack the world view and depth of experience to portray anything outside of how they percieve the world around them, and the world around them is sadly some L.A. writers college designed to pump out as many mediocre writers as possible to feed the great media beast.
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You just hit the nail right on the head. Hollyweird has become spiritually, morally, and creatively bankrupt. They can only portray what they themselves are, so they create sad and weak characters in their own image. They cannot conceive of what Tolkein envisioned as the true wisdom and majesty of an ancient race of elves. Because they fundamentally do not understand Tolkein's true source material, which was based on his spirituality and religious views, things that they actually despise.
It's almost as if the less moral societies today have bred many adults that don't know what it is to think and behave as adults.
Tolkien must have ethnically cleansed middle earth after the second age lol. The hubris these "writers" have is a sign of the times.
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Hollywood can take a page from Tom Cruise. Literally thanking the audience for coming out to see his film and delivering a good nostalgic action film that entertains new and old fans alike.
Say what you will about the man, he's a real professional, knows what the fans wanted and delivering it.
Absolutely
Note there have been hit pieces out on the movie saying it's a dangerous film as it is pro military. Success of the wrong movies makes Hollywood mad as heck.
He’s the PT Barnum of this generation
That is the thing, i could care less what he* personally believes and what drives him. If the man can write he can write ✍️ and that's all i need to know.
The most ironic part of it is that he's a scientologist and somehow has become the least offensive thing in modern day, good for him.
It seriously is like a group of people decided to destroy Hollywood by remaking everything in the worst way they could and then blaming everyone else for not understanding.
Kind of sound like the same people who want to destroy the United States and remake in the worst way possible.
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They use it as money laundering and the insulting of the fan base is just a bonus for them.
You know something that really proves what Drinker is saying? Cobra Kai. It has a massively diverse cast of empowering characters, and both old-time fans and newcomers to the franchise adore it. Why? It doesn't attack fans. It doesn't put down the original cast and still holds them in reverence, even while letting them share the spotlight on equal terms with the new cast. It respects its new actors to treat them as characters instead of pieces of colored meat on a deli counter. And most important of all it's written well. And so far it's made it to Season 5, ran for four years, has been renewed for a sixth season, had zero controversy, has been nominated for two dozen awards, and boasts a 95 critic / 92 audience on Rotten Tomatoes with no signs of slowing down. Shows like Star Wars and 2016 Ghostbusters could have been as beloved by fans as Cobra Kai had they simply had enough faith in their new characters to put them on equal ground with the old cast and make something for their fans as well as newcomers to the series.
I mean just look at the difference in reception between House of the Dragon and Rings of Power. On the surface, they are extremely similar. Two beloved fantasy worlds, given a prequel series, both race bended in ridiculously anti-source material ways, both focused on powerful, yet pure and amazing women. They aired at roughly the same time, one received a great deal of praise from fans and critics alike, another was lambasted for being a piece of garbage by anyone who doesn't have a vested financial interest in praising their overlords. People will look the other way on shitting on the source material for the sake of diversity (the Velaryons being black is utterly ridiculous as Targaryens are literally obsessed with preserving their Valyrian bloodline, so much so that they usually wed brother to sister, the idea that their #2 family for marriage pacts would be a different race entirely is absurd) if you actually focus on trying to tell an interesting story, which they did. There was plenty wrong with the story, but you can tell they honestly tried to write something compelling and in the end it was a pretty enjoyable product. Rings of power made the same diversity decisions and then centralized the entire advertising campaign around it and never even remotely tried to tell a good story, but instead decided that being diverse and women empowering was simply good enough.
The results speak for themselves, and it's quite clear that fans are willing to look the other way on this shit so long as you tell a good story. That's all fans really want/care about at the end of the day. Something to entertain them and distract them for their lives.
@@SynsityGW Absolutely, man. The thing a lot of creators don't understand is fans of a franchise WANT to like works set in that franchise. The better you make it, the more suspension of disbelief kicks in and the more willing they are to tolerate and even accept negative aspects of it. If a creator makes the effort to make it good, fans will defend it. Case in point, Nick Fury from the MCU. Nick Fury was originally a white guy, and yet Samuel Jackson is often seen as the definitive Nick Fury because those movies (for the most part) were well-written and Samuel Jackson nailed the part. If you're going to change shit, change it for the better.
Being a little respectful of the franchise can go a long way. Look at the Resident Evil series with Black Wesker. Canonically in the games, there were 13 Weskers, all from different nationalities, as part of a eugenics project and only Albert Wesker and Alex Wesker appeared on-screen. The rest are presumed to have died. They could have had Black Wesker by just having him be one of the other 11 Weskers: there's your story, he's trying to escape Umbrella and cure the virus they injected into him while Umbrella is hunting him. Have the season end with actual Albert Wesker showing up in the final episode. It fucking writes itself, could have had their precious diverse Wesker, AND been completely faithful to the games by adding some backstory to the so-called Project W that's really only been hinted at in a couple of games. But no, they had to spray-paint THE Albert Wesker into a completely different character and piss off pretty much everyone who was willing to give it a chance.
@@ScrambledAndBenedict That's a good point with Nick Fury. Most people don't even know he was white in the comics because the MCU was nailing everything that when they race bended Fury everyone was just like fuck it, good shit. And yeah the Resident Evil example shows some form of malice and wanted to take from the original rather than actually create something new
@@SynsityGW The whole thing with making such a big deal about diverse casting, is they want to put critics in a position where the critic has to choose between "defend their product" or "defend myself". It's why it's so preemptive, and why they make such a big deal out of it before a product they don't have a lot of faith in even launches, and why works that are actually GOOD rarely if ever focus on the diversity of their casting (Cobra Kai, old MCU, Arcane, The Mandalorian, etc). If the folks behind things like Rings of Power or the 2016 Ghostbusters or Resident Evil could defend the actual quality of those works, they would, because even if they were actually RIGHT about people criticizing their works just being sexist racists, the thing is these critics are raising valid complaints about these works that the creators have no retort to whatsoever.
At the end of the day, my belief is if you want to adapt a work, you tell their story. If you want to tell your own story, tell your own story. It's why I'm so heavily critical of The Last Jedi: "doing your own thing" and "subverting the genre" was NOT the thing to do halfway through someone else's trilogy, especially when that trilogy is part of a trilogy of trilogies.
@@ScrambledAndBenedict 100% agreed on the last part, but unfortunately we live in a time where it's just safer to work off an existing brand and just hire whoever the fuck to run the show because it'll make money no matter what, whereas trying to find someone who has a genuine vision and who wants to make something unique and memorable is just way harder AND way riskier. Which is why I wish consumers would stop being so fucking lazy and just stop seeing these garbage sequels/remakes/reboots/spin offs. Occasionally one of them lands and that's great, but I think people came to believe that movies having sequels is just the norm. It's occasionally because there's more story to be told, but usually because there's more money to be made.
What frustrates me is that these pre-emptive attacks, this fan baiting, is actually working. So many of my own circle are being duped into thinking that ROP must be good because it's got so much R-ist backlash. They're being biased into liking it, the opposite of the true Tolkien fans who are being biased into hating it before even watching it. I don't think I could give ROP an honest review of its characters and writing if I tried because of all the fan baiting I've been exposed to. Like so much of what is produced today, I'll give it a miss.
not to worry, after watching one episode of it, its clear to everyone that the show is very bad. even the paid critics dont have anything good to say about it after release.
I don't think it will work in the long run tho. I think over time these movies just wont have the long term success of other movies. In 20 years this will be the "dark days" the vaccume where nothing really gets watched from.
@@jamesmears3419 They'll be used as "This is how you don't make a film", almost akin to the likes of The Room and Birdemic.
Huge mistake to release this opposite GOT. Say what you will about season 8, but compared to ROP, these new episodes are an absolute thrill ride. And they even have a diverse cast.
The one criticism I disagree with though is Drinker said they "chose to go against the source material." This is a misstatement. Sure, many of the decisions are a "departure" from the source material, but nothing that "goes against" it.
Meanwhile you will never see a WeinStein-Hollyood movie about a black Saul or David. Hmm, wonder why....
I'm tired of companies trying to act like they have better morals than anyone else.
exactly. like what are they trying to prove
Yea and it's coming real thick when you know those companies value greed and corrupt moneymaking more than the lives of their own employees. Anything that fetches a high dollar is all they care about. Yet they think they can act like the good guy and expect people to see them that way. The lack of self-insight is stunning.
@@Real_MisterSir : I think they see "moral outrage" is a way for them to make money. They've seen how controversial topics have gained massive attention on social media platforms and they shoehorn those topics into established franchises. If they really wanted to address certain issues, they could have done it without using established franchises, but they won't do it because people won't watch.
Its called gaslighting to conform to their agenda.
Winning comment. I hate being lectured to by an unscrupulous gigantic conglomerate like it's better than any of us.
Totally agree, some great examples from the past of re-culturizing or updating a great film/story are Seven Samurai -> Magnificent Seven and Conrad's Heart of Darkness -> Apocalypse Now. These were done well and did not infringe on the original stories or media. Instead of having Western samurai walking around in a remake, they re-told the story with new characters in a completely new setting and culture.
I was having a conversation with my 15 year old son and it's funny to watch him come to many of the same conclusions I have. We watched the original 3 Matrix movies together and he was genuinely fascinated by them. When Matrix 4 came out, he was super excited for it. I, however, knew better but I didn't want to ruin it for him. Biting my tongue, I asked what he thought of the movie...he paused for a bit and said, "Dad, it ruined the whole Matrix universe for me, I hated it! It's the worst movie ever." He just wanted to see his hero in action again, and they ruined that for him. I felt bad, but it was a proud moment as well.
Hard to believe The Matrix is 23 years old already. That movie blew my mind the first time I saw it. Sad to see that even the Wachowskis went crazy and woke.
@@shawnmcdaniel435 Don't remind me! Too many things that seem like yesterday are 20+ years old now...
@@eggdashure Next year makes 20 years of endless Spider-Man reboots. I remember actually being excited to see web-head on the big screen, rather than dreading another outing with that hapless putz they have Holland playing.
@@stevenscott2136 At least there is only one Jonah Jameson...
I kinda give Matrix 4 a pass though cause even though fans and the lore paid the price for it it was primarily a movie done as a giant fuck you to the studio lol. Hard not to abide by that.
Back in the day day, a young man in his mom’s basement began to honestly review and rate the old and new films he so loved. From this endeavour Rotten Tomatoes was born. It was the go to place for an unbiased film review. Of course he sold out to big media because ‘MONEY’ But for a while it was aces. Now the stage is set for a new film fan to take its place ‘The Drinker Recommends’ is born!
But I find it funny that left-wing people defend the biggest capitalist corporations Amazon and Disney.
the reviews on the torrent sites are still honest
How is anyone supposed to live without money? People do things for profit. How do you love capitalism but at the same time hate people for participating in it?
@@anonymous99632 You’re missing the point.
@@anonymous99632 Capitalism is a ridiculous comparison to defend greed. Having made his review site better through honest work, research and perhaps necessary marketing (just some general examples) would have been a more than appropriate step towards success within capitalism. But being hired to use a screwdriver to fasten a screw for someone, above that person hiring someone else because you do a better job than others, and getting paid for your work is different than stabbing a person in their eyes with a screwdriver and stealing all their money.
It’s strange to me that almost all recent movies with forced diverse casting spectacularly fail that you would think they do it on purpose!
I think that it's mainly not because of the diverse casting, which I also think is possible and should be done in MOST Films and Series, but because it is the main, lazy, focus point and done instead of good and engaging story writing.
If you have a good and engaging story a diverse cast will most likely not create a great upheaval among fans and, if done right, can even add to the immersion of the project (see Dune for example or The Expanse).
@@goranatanasovski6463 it works in context but if your making a movie based in Medieval Europe then your not going to have a diverse cast with all races on equal footing. But no one wants to remember history anymore because it's not accepting of modern social standards even though it happened centuries ago.
Ironically it also puts off any sane person regardless of background from folks tired of their beloved characters getting "modernized" to folks that actually want original characters (that just happen to be black, gay, female, etc) instead of token scraps/checkboxes.
It's amazing how so many modern movies don't get IT.
Because they consider “the message” as more important than profit.
Well that is problem when you put quotas on directors and screenwriters.Good director could make She-hulk work,but when they only focus on their agenda the story suffers.
Others have said it, but it must be reiterated that this is definitely one of those videos that needs to be seen by as many people as possible. Drinker you've nailed it as always my friend!
I remember watching Top Gun Maverick and Tom Cruise did his little thanks for watching schtick, and in like 20 seconds, I was already feeling much more charitable to a film that I'd seen literally nothing of.
That's because modern films in cinema nowadays don't really do that. They would rather shit and troll the fans instead of thank them for even considering paying for a ticket to watch their movies.
That little clip of him just sitting there and thanking the audience was more heartfelt than anything I've seen from modern movies in years.
It was such a welcome contrast to what we normally get. Cruise made the studio sit on this movie for a long time because he knew it needed to be seen in a theater. The story was tight. And the fans have spoken with their money. Now who wants to bet on how his next MI movie goes?
When a fan of J.R.R.Tolkien sees Jeff Bezos on the street ua-cam.com/video/tc6uUjUMQhU/v-deo.html 😅🤣🤣🤣😂
Disney in particular has a real “drunk Billy Joel onstage yelling about his critics for 5 minutes before playing a particularly aggressive version of Big Shot afterwards” energy.
"STOP LIGHTING THE AUDIENCE!!"
proceeds to flip over keyboard and over head smash mic stand
When it comes to Fan Baiting, Disney are the Master Baiters...
😂 😂 😂
Hahaha!! Is Disney… okay??
That Billy Joel thing really happened?
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"Reflecting the world we live in" is fundamentally a terrible thing for any movie, book, or other piece of media not explicitly stated to be based in the world we live in. By doing this, you force something to be what it was never meant to, cordoning off whole avenues and valuable opportunities that you as an author can take, closing yourself into this one creative box. Not to mention, these are supposed to be things people get into to *escape* the world around them, not see the often depressing reality they have to live in, just with a thin veneer of "magic."
Ah yes, "The world we live in"... no Terminators... no Hobbits... no Asgardians... no Jedi... no knights or space-marines or mutants or shape-shifters... no statesmen or sorcerers or vampires or mad scientists... not a single suave, tuxedo-clad, martini-drinking secret agent to be found anywhere... not so much as a single tornado filled with sharks.
What's the f***ing point? Might as well watch the news.
Unless you explicitely state that you're doing a reimagining or a pretty loose adaptation with that creative idea in mind. That's fair game, and good luck with the reception. It has been done many times with mixed results.
But that's not what most of these movies do, they pose as a faithful and true to the source material adaptation to drag the interest of the fandom while being a complete perversion of it under the hood.
If I want to reflect on the world we live in, I'll go to shows that specifically set out to do that. Like The Wire for example. I expect social commentary from that show, and I get it and more. But what I don't want is Orange man bad, in my galaxy far far away show.
For movies or shows to be well written, they should reflect the context of the setting. If that setting is 2022 New York City, then yeah, it makes sense to have lots of diversity. However, if you replace all of the cast of Black Panther with white people, or replace all of the cast of a film set in Japan with people from the Middle East, it probably isn't going to make sense and will be counter productive to immersive story telling.
If Amazon made a serious movie about pre-Edo period Japan and there were a bunch of Black/Indian/Latino/White European Samurai, it wouldn't make any sense and next to no one would call me a racist for calling it bad.
It's not the mere inclusion of diversity that draws criticism from most people, but the manner in which it's done with regards to the context of the setting and plot. The implications of the inclusion is what matters. If you portray people from all over the world as Samurai in a pre edo period Japanese film, the resulting implication of that is going to be the diminishment of historical accuracy and immersion, which is generally considered to be negative - unless it's meant to be a joke in a comedy or something. Kobra Kai included lots of diversity in a show set in Los Angeles in the 21st century USA and I'm very glad to see it.
This argument is a lot like Chappelle's skit about modern day Feminism. I am pro gender equality, and therefore am by definition a feminist. But why then do I often find myself at odds with the modern day feminist movement? Because it's not the mere advancement of gender equality but the manner in which it's done. The modern day feminist movement doesn't end with political protests, it tries to push it's political agenda into movies at the expense of the story itself. It also goes further than equality, often advocating for female dominance over males and the demasculation of men - as we often see in modern day films.
'fantasy is just today's Earth on a different planet' -Some schmuck on the internet
These actors are most definitely not just "honest people looking for their big break." They go into it with full knowledge of what the company and them are doing, and they relish the controversy and excuses to call fans racist. Listen to Disa's whiny ass actress bellow on about progress
There's a reason why movies like Sonic did well. The people behind the scenes wanted to just make a good movie and listened to criticism when it came to the character design. That's all we want at the end of the day. They can keep pumping out the generic sequel/remake to a known franchise but with women and said women will continue to not support it financially because they don't actually care about the product like true fans would.
The Sonic movies were so fun
yes an excellent example of doing it right
@@kuhanblock9380 idk, I couldn't finish the second one. First one was good tho
@@deathminion11 I still gotta see that one myself later this week after finding it on Prime. The first one was really fun and I felt that it deserved the success.
hollywood have propaganda to push, that's their MO.
One of the reasons why modern movies suck today is that there’s no passion, risk taking or creativity. It’s all cookie cutter hollywood assembly line garbage.
As long as people continue to go to the cinema to watch garbage, or pay disney+ or netflix or any other platform for movies, the quality of cinema will NOT improve.
People should put their money where their mouths are. Stop paying these companies your money and very soon good movies will return.
Virtue signalling feminists/woke activists are typically NOT a customer movies can rely on for revenue.
@charlie king yeah forget about the historically high inflation, the historic housing crash right when most millennials enter adulthood making home ownership harder than past generations, and the once in a generation economic crash that is seemingly around the corner again. Bunch of my millennial buddies died in Afghanistan and Iraq, that 20 year war doesn’t count though. Stupid millennials it’s all their fault for growing up in a world boomers messed up.
@charlie king to be fair fighting in a war sounds better than watching the Kardashians for a year
And folks still eat it up anyway thanks to the lowest common denominator. I dunno what will happen first, the modern movie industry crashing or the streaming service bubble bursting but regardless something gotta give .
I remember being beyond disappointed with Rose Tico's character. As someone who's played tabletop RPGs of Star Wars as multiple noncombatants, I was excited to see what a mechanic could bring to the team: would she make crucial repairs during an escape, jury-rig a gadget to pass an obstacle, improve the team's weapons/vehicles/communication capabilities? Nope! She was ultimately a "rich people bad" mouthpiece and derailed Finn's character growth. Her potential was just wasted.
But no, the above can't possibly be why I didn't like her character. No no, it's _solely_ because I hate Asians and women.
Totally. A lot of the backlash she got was because she took from Fin's character... who was black lol. The irony.
My main gripe with the Rose character was not the actress. It was the fact that the characters we were supposed to be following (Rey, Poe, and Finn) had barely spent any time together. This was your Luke/Han/Leia. And while yes, Luke took his own trips away in the OT, you still had Han and Leia interacting and building that comradery. Instead, you pull in these extra characters (Rose and Holdo) instead of focusing on our main characters. Not only that, but you do a side mission about saving space horses that ends up having absolutely no effect on the main storyline whatsoever. Here I was, hoping for character development for one character of color, but I must be sexist because I didn't appreciate the other FEMALE character of color who was derailing the storyline. :D
That's what's so maddening about it. They can keep churning out crap and any legitimate criticisms will be dismissed as "racist", "sexist", or whatever. Genius, really! The only way to end this is to STOP WATCHING IT. But people refuse to do that. I love this channel and appreciate Drinker's analyses. But even channels like this end up feeding into the problem. Even if you're watching it to review it, you're still giving it what they want - eyeballs and money. They don't care if your review is positive or negative, as long as you WATCH IT! Even negative reviews give it more attention and people who otherwise may not have been interested end up watching it just out of curiosity. And so, the problem will continue.
I’m completely lost, I just like good movies , bad ones pan them , I just like good movies ,that’s all
I appreciate your honesty…. It’s the first step to accepting women and people of color…. lol
I just thought Hollywood had finally run out of ideas. Glad I grew up going to see movies in the 70’s, 80’s and even the 90’s.
“I’ve always been someone who felt we are court jesters. That’s what we do,” he said, adding: “As far as I’m concerned, you should step away from saying anything so that you can still be seen by the audience in any character,” he said, adding: “There is no reason entertainers can’t learn just as much as anybody else about a subject, whatever it is. But I think that what’s sad about it is that they lose their status as a court jester. And I’m a court jester. That’s what I was born to do.”
Kurt Russell - when asked why he thinks feels celebrities should stick to being entertainers, and refrain from being vocal about other issues.
Russell is 100% correct. An actor's job hasn't changed since its conception. Back in Roman times actors were in the same guild as prostitutes. In Shakespeare's days they were seen as a half step above being a prostitute.
Also, it's not like being a Hollywood superstar makes you inherently better at judging other topics. Your opinion is worth as much as any other average Joe's and can be wrong as fuck, but you still have a lot more people listening to you.
The irony in this is that court jesters were often the only ones able to make poltiical commentary in a court, because they were not held to the same standards as everyone else and could get away with mild criticism.
@@davcrav That's more myth than reality, A court jester could make fun of somebody's appearance, Even daringly so, But would never address politic.
Thank you for reminding me that Kurt Russell is the fucking man.
This is so spot-on, I can see the headlines now, “Critical Drinker, a toxic UA-camr film-critic, was found this morning…”
Squatted in his neighbor's garden
Drinker didn't kill himself
@@InfiniteMonkeysSA uh who said that 😂
LOL, they used that one on Jeremy from the Quartering recently, the insanity of these people 🤣
Compare these movies that hate the fans to one that turned this whole concept on its head: Top Gun: Maverick. Tom Cruise opened up with the explicit acknowledgement that the fans don't have to pay money to be insulted but to be entertained and that was what he was trying to do with that movie. He didn't change the world but he gave people great value in telling a fun and compelling story.
I did not know what to expect from Maverick but it absolutely did not disappoint! In fact, it was SO refreshing that nothing felt particularly over the top but was also fresh and entertaining. I rarely finish a new movie these days and say to myself, "Yeah, I'd watch that again," but I plan to buy that one for sure 👍🏻
You don't have to be clever or reinvent a wheel to make a buck of film: just give people what they want!
meanwhile the original topgun was absolute dogshit. This is why i can't take you people seriously; generally you'll shit on anything made in the last 20 years as though bad movies didn't exist in your youths. You're just a bunch of mildly racist boomers; fortunately you'll die off in a few years, so your problem sorta solves itself.
That was one of the few new movies I actually watched. The past few years I've just been going through entertainment produced when I was really young or before I was even born, because quality is scarce nowadays. The new TG was refreshing
„Fan-Baiting“ is an art form that makes the fans take the bait, yet fails to catch any prey (putting arses into seats).
Never forget: Big studio filmmaking is a monetary business first, and only an art form second.
If lecturing the public through art is your primary goal, you better have some hefty cash stack to burn through.
I went from seeing every movie that came out to now, I go two or three years without seeing a movie. I grew up in a time period where the actors and actresses were either beautiful to look at or could act, in addition to a well played out story. Now days, we seldom see a movie with those qualities. The casting is mostly awful, there is usually no story, the special effects are obvious, the end result of production are mediocre at best. So, why waste my money when I can stay in the comfort of my home and choose what I like on a large TV screen. Also, the Academy awards are now just a big joke.
Mediocre people on charge=boring and not great looking actors on screen
Agreed. The last movie I saw in theaters was 1917
@@jillianmiddleton7402 was it good?
@@RayoSombrio78 "or could act"
What they're saying is that modern Hollywood is ugly on the eyes as well as on the mind.
Even a piss-poor script can be saved by a masterful score and visual beauty. Modern Hollywood doesn't provide much of either.
I stopped watching movies 5 years ago. I started to feel they stole my time without giving anything in return. Just like eating gum hoping it will fill you up. Not worth it.
"Why Disney is still successful despite all this: their fans hate themselves even more than the studio does."
Disney is living off their amusement park revenue, it will take a while still for that to drop as they keep destroying their IPs
It's baffling.
Why Disney is still successful: they're funded by Blackrock
@@smokingcrab2290 this
@@smokingcrab2290 That too, for sure. It goes perfectly hand in hand with the self-hating fanbase.
I learned the hard way that 'we want it to appeal to a broader audience' translated to 'we want to hollow out this well-known franchise and fill it with all our own personal political and social change messaging to appeal to us and us alone'
Everything has to be political that's how ideologues think. It's not about movies/shows, it's about sending a message - at least for them. This sh!t won't stop any time soon.
It's social engineering, and the sheep crave it.
A product for everyone, is a product for no one in particular.
There's nothing wrong with social change but, there is a difference between a film like Ladybird and a film like Captain Marvel.
@@pizzapower3166 true, but sometimes escapism means exactly that. If I watch a movie it absolutely shouldn't need to have every race, gender and creed in it, it shouldn't have to have a 'message' at all.
..."the implication was as subtle as a purple unicorn with a chainsaw superglued to it's forehead..."... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The more the layers of this onion get peeled away, the more depressing it gets. The people behind the productions, the grotesquely cynical PR, the hordes of dumb people who will consume anything without thinking, the grotesquely shallow and cynical media collusion... it seems like such an axis of awful, shallow, juvenile, anti-intellectual people with no imaginations, no sense of wonder, no inner child, no world view that didn't come from social media or a sitcom. And loads of vindictive resentment. Where is the joy? Movies and shows used to be about joy, adventure, wonder, humanity, relatable foibles. Now it's all just crass, juvenile, superficial PG-13 hell.
They're soulless stormtroopers
At some point we’re going to have to start naming the people
I remember 8 or 9 years ago watching Elysium in theaters and came out thinking "good god what a dreadfully bleak dystopian view of the future". And it's only got worse
Welcome to planet earth. I see you're new here. Don't worry, the light in your eyes will die one day too.
it's also thanklessness.
10:20 "In order for this to be accessible to everyone."
That's just ringing in my ears now. I think back to when I was young and discovered folk stories and fantasies from other cultures. I never felt I needed to be Japanese to appreciate their stories, nor did I feel that if a European knight showed up in any of those tales that only then would it be something I could relate to. Part of what makes things compelling to me is the "otherness" of them and I'm certain people of all different cultures have been enjoying Tolkien's work for many years prior to this. This notion is merely a craning of the neck on the part of certain individuals, they long to see themselves in everything because they are so bloody self absorbed. Fantasy should make you forget yourself in all the best ways. I'm truly disappointed in the Tolkien estate for allowing this.
They are absolute tools - accessibility is resolved by one thing: cash. You want to make everyone accessible to everyone? Make it cheap. Make it FREE. Oh? You need to make a profit as well? You need to re-think that accessibility crap and just make it good that people are willing to pay cash for. :p
Yes! Exactly!
If you're writings modern day New York based story - diversify as much as you want and you probably can't overdo it. If you're coming up with a new sci-fi story set in space/future - invent races for all people care. But when writing about history and lore the diversity is already chosen for you. Disregarding that is just disrespecting a heritage that's not your own and robbing all audience of an opportunity to experience it as is.
Absolutely, I hate this progressive BS in classic legends and folklore. It’s not only destructive to the source material but insulting and dispossessive. It’s taking a part of classic ancient history and rewriting it in a way you see fit in a twisted selfish act. It’s absolute BS and heartbreaking to see the classic tales being torn to shreds and rebuilt in such an insulting unlikable way.
There was that "Gamers Are Dead" movement about 8 years back, giving voice to this increasing disdain media had for the fans.
Of course it massively backfired at the time, but they never backed down or changed course.
Fast forward and here we are, where the creators of media are not only no longer fans, but they openly hate the fans.
I forgot about that, I remember "GamerGate" but not "Gamers are Dead". The left are such arrogant entitled pricks thinking they can decide upon reality.
I do believe Gamersgate was the begin of this. Basically how they will never lived that one down and even more become evident how journos and other became so bias. Even the people saying to be "Anti capitalist" , yet they suck from corporates's d*cks to shill for them. I wonder WHY.
Kate Hikes
Gamergate, and ultimately they have rewritten that as a "harassment campaign"
@@reedschadegg9023 Well yes, it always was harassment. Critics rightly pointed out just how many female characters existed only to provide eye candy for gamers, and the gamers who desperately wanted and needed the eye candy because they had no lives acted shocked and offended.
Immature man babies got called out, and so they acted like THEY were the victims. Instead of refuting any of the arguments made by the critics, they simply blasted the appearance and personalities and lives of the critics. Strip away all the ad hominem attacks and there was nothing left, because--gasp!--the critics were right.
Rings of Power is one of the most tragicomic things I have ever witnessed. And I haven't even watched one episode. And the fact that they fired a Tolkien expert from the show is just a beautiful shit icing on the diarrhea cake they created.