Debunking Trans Lies: A Detransitioner’s Perspective
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- Women’s sports, women’s prisons, women’s rights are all being attacked and changed. Trans people are still a minority, and they are a protected class, which they should be. But in less than a decade the numbers are showing more people transitioning than ever, and this is true for young people especially. This is not normal. This is not a good thing. I’m here to talk about why.
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I watched your older videos and your voice is healing.
Yeah, i just compared this vid and her first, the difference is night and day.
Is she doing voice therapy though does she say?
It totally is. It sounds great. If I didn't know about the detransitioning thing I wouldn't have ever suspected anything. Elle sounds like a woman again, no question..
Biology isn’t bigotry and truth isn’t hate speech.
Thank you, Elle 🙌🙌
it is sad because very few of the young women in sports are afraid to speak out for fear of being labeled transphobic..it is just about fairness. How has it come to this??? Actually ridiculous.
Those women are being cowardly. They need to band together and stop being nice by letting men cheat in their sports.
In a nutshell, Berlin was home to two different institutions in the 1920s. Magnus Hirschfeld oversaw one of the facilities called Sexology, the first Institute for Sexual Science. He and two other doctors performed the first-ever sex-change procedure; the patient, predictably, passed away two weeks later. The second establishment was the Frankfurt School, which promoted Marxism as the main social science. The fact that these two institutions were forced to leave the nation in 1933 and relocate to the USA and other places speaks for itself. There, they carried out their sociology studies and attempted to implement Marxism through a "Cultural Revolution," since Das Capital, Karl Marx's attempt to revolutionize the West, had failed miserably. This institution is the same institution that introduced ''political correctness'' as a method to shut up every criticism and scrutiny of their ''liberation'' of the west. In the 1970s, sexology evolved and produced various up-and-coming figures, such as John Money, who's not only nicked the term ''Genders'' but also was one of the leading ''researchers'' that influenced the entire Gender Ideology as we know it today. John Money experimented on Twins, where one of the kids had a butchered ''Circumcision'' and that kid was subjected to an unknown sex-change, because if the kid didn't even know he was a biological boy, he could use that as his magnus opus. The experiment failed; the kid realized his true gender after puberty and killed himself; he couldn't live with the fact he was a Frankenstein monster (I could phrase that better, but that is the truth, said in a truthful way), and John Money hushed it all down, but it is mainly his research on which this entire ideology is in part based. Add that in with the Marxist Liberation Movement, which today is both culturally and politically the Status Quo, to speak truth and be 100% rational are seen as inpolitical correct. I could give you a list of the misery this ideology has caused, the destruction. But we would jump over to a different subject all together. Let us just say 1 million girls in UK have been raped the past 20 years, with nothing done about it, due to political correctness, i can share a good documentary on it which explains how.
I don't get why they just don't make a separate trans league or something. If you did, I bet you'd still notice MtF dominating against FtM. It would maybe open some people's eyes.
@@birdsteak9267your explanation is 👌 💯
@@John-mf6kyThat and also because they won’t get the validation they crave from being in spaces filled with other delusional men pretending to be women and vice versa.
Girl you look gorgeous! I've been a silent watcher from the beginning & your voice has REALLY changed.
girl you should have a podcast
The importance of hormones have been vastly overrated by the trans movement. T and E are important regulators in our bodies but they are just substances. They are not what we are. We as sexed beings are so much more than just one or two of the billions of cells and processes happening inside us every day.
Well to clarify obviously hormones can have big impacts on physical capacity for example such as in sports, but ultimately they do not have the power to transform you from one sex to another. They affect the body but they are not synonymous with sex.
very insightful comment and very true. when you are trans, getting on the “right” hormone literally feels like a life or death scenario. if you can’t get it, being in your body feels unbearable. it’s actually insane how much of this is all in their heads - it’s all just self-imposed by the movement that you have to feel this way if you can’t get what you want.
@@samuelsundin This is entirely untrue
Almost all of sexual dimorphism is from hormones, see CAIS women. The importance of hormones is also not overstated; it's pretty important that you aren't forced to be the wrong sex, as this has long term consequences
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! On all counts addressed in this video! It would be so great if you could go testify to Congress! I hope you are able to get on a few talk shows or something to do with getting the truth out there. You can help so many people, save so much pain and confusion. You are awesome!
Wow, I just got through watching your vid from a month ago.. What a wonderful change, you look fabulous Elle. Finding your way home is amazing. I hope you can help the many who need your perspective and wisdom.
Elle, you have very smart ideals on Trans views at a young age. ❤👍🏻 You my dear have LEARNED ALOT in the last 8 years? 😉 I agree with you sweetie.🙋🏼♀️ Keep it up beautiful! ❤🤩
A friend recommended this to me ❤
I'm so glad 😊
Thank you 🙏
Subbed ❤
Happy to hear from you, Elle! You’re looking very well. ❤❤❤ And you’re correct. There’s no true trans.
Sidebar you look stunning!! Love seeing your growth
You have some really interesting videos and interesting things to think about :)
Thank you so much for sharing your lived point of view 🙏❤️
Love the honesty!
So informative. Thank you
I haven’t watched your videos in a long time. You look SO good.
Yes, I noticed that too
Elle Hello Ive been following your channel for a while and I'm not trans but I share many of the same opinions as you do and enjoy these kinds of thought provoking gender debates, anyways I'm watching this while trying to get my very overdue assignment done, its great to see you pop up in my recommended
Just wanted to say, you're beautiful. Your hair looks great as well. You're voice has come so far too, it's a night and day difference. ✌️♥️
Your voice is beautiful
(sorry for off the topic comment)
Thank you for speaking
nice to see you again. your voice is better now. Congratulations.
She said LARPING as transwomen, I died XD
I love that so much
Your voice is much more light! Wow
You look great. I haven't seen you much since you first detransitioned and you look and sound A LOT different now. If I didn't know you had been on testosterone I don't think I would guess. Your points and perspective are excellent.
Thank you for speaking the truth Elle. You are right!
As someone who used to believe he was trans (MtF) listening to other stories is very affirming and I notice we all have the same things in common… we are hurting and we want to be affirmed to avoid the pain we are dealing with.
I'm going to join ur patreon for the 100 dollar tier...can u tell me about some of the exclusive bonus content? Or will that be explained after I join?
the stuff i’ve put on patreon is mostly just extra recordings that never made it to youtube, either stuff i made but didn’t want to be a whole video or content i cut from a video to save for patreon. i haven’t put anything up on there for awhile, but im thinking about adding some cat content of my kitty, loki. are you a cat person? :)
@@ellepalmer LOL....well I'm a sane human being....I friggin love cats. I have an ginger named Ralph. He's a bit scatter brained :)
@@ellepalmer if it hasn't been updated I'm awhile I wouldn't worry about it...just as long as the discord is active that would be well worth the price of admission
@@peteromanowski3722 i actually deleted the discord because no one was using it 🫣 honestly nobody has subbed to my patreon in awhile, but you’re making me want to rework the page because i haven’t prioritized that stuff in a few years. if i remade the discord, would you want to help me get it up and running? i’ve never been in charge of a discord server so i didn’t really know how to make it fun.
@@ellepalmerI honestly wouldn't even know where to begin. I would be happy to help u brainstorm.... honestly, I've only ever watched ur videos cause ur cute...I wouldn't even have the slightest idea how to further ur cause. However my brothers boyfriend is transitioning FTM perhaps he would have some ideas and how to reach out to the public.
Well said.
Well said!
UA-cam didn't suggest this to me, good thing you tweeted about it.
More importantly, *FIRST!*
My gosh, your hair looks really awesome! ❤
No problem
You are strong and you speak the truth
Elle, you look beautiful!!!
Praying for your voice to heal to the original you wanted
As a teenager I internalized the idea that if you were a progressive (aka 'the good guys') you thought that all of gender was a social construct. The idea of nature vs nurture was always nature = right wing = bad and nurture = left wing = good. Then I had two kids, one boy and one girl and they were absolutely intrinsically different from the time they came out of my womb! Even before puberty the difference between boys and girls is incredible and absolute. Sex is not a construct, it's a fact.
Gender is a social construct though. You confuse biological with the social part of it. If you had a wang or a vague is different from having a preference for wang or vag.
Looking Amazing
You are right. The truth is just the truth.
It's incorrect that there's no difference between detransitioners and trans people (like myself), or that it's impossible to know if transition is right
I describe my being trans as a fundamental sensory problem. Facial hair feels like a foreign object embedded in my skin, and makes it difficult to sleep as I subconsciously stay very still to avoid rubbing my face on my pillow and feeling the hair that isn't supposed to be there. Having male proportions, a male voice, and male face all feel similarly weird and wrong. My body becoming more feminine from HRT just feels completely normal, and right, as if this is how it should have always been. My breasts just feel normal, I recognize my face as being me again even if there are still some things wrong with it, and mentally and emotionally I feel normal again, instead of being constantly anxious and depressed
I grew up thinking that all boys wanted to be girls but just didn't talk about it. This is me projecting my deeply rooted sense of gender identity onto others, because it's all I've ever known; I've wanted to be a girl since I was 4, because that's just what feels comfortable. I can say with 100% certainty that there is no future in which I detransition. I can't be reprogrammed to feel okay with facial hair, or to not like my breasts, or to feel okay with having masculine facial features. I was never made to feel this way by some external force, this is just how I was born, and I would feel the same way if I were born as the only human on some desert island. This is the difference between me (a trans woman) and a detransitioner. There is no scenario in which I could be okay with the effects of testosterone on my body. You might object to this, saying that you didn't think you would detransition, but again, the difference is that my need to physically be a woman is some fundamental axiom of my existence; there isn't some interesting underlying reason that I feel this way, which makes it frustrating to talk about, because people have difficulty understanding this, and think there must be some trauma or other cause that made me this way
It's also wrong to advocate for not allowing transition for anyone. I need this to live. Without HRT there would really be nothing left for me but momentary distractions from my constant discomfort. I have to go down the same path of detransitioning from testosterone, which my body forced on me, but this path is much longer for me
@Brookelium *Females with polycystic ovaries run a parallel situation to yours, although in much less düsphoría.* I as a boy, otOH, was raised in a Wesleyan (after John and Charles Wesley) household, albeit handicapped with a Dismissive Avoidant Attachment Style from birth: Diagnosed with Kanner's Syndrome (after the late Chaskel Leib "Leo" Kanner MD) at John Muir Memorial Hospital (now John Muir Health Walnut Creek), Walnut Creek, CA, USA, before my first year was out. Steven E. Gutstein PhD was involved in several years of clinical research _before_ he partnered for Gutstein Sheely & Associates PC, Houston, TX, USA; the discovery of internal, unconscious mental and emotional blocks pathognomonic o' Kanner's led to a design-patented Relationship Development Intervention Program which he developed with Rachelle K. Sheely PhD. Further details are in Steven E. Gutstein PhD, _Autism Asperger's: Solving the Relationship Puzzle: A New Developmental Program That Opens the Door to Lifelong Social and Emotional Growth_ (Arlington, TX, USA: Future Horizons, 2000).
does this not strike you as a mental illness? i mean, to me this reads completely and utterly as someone who needs mental health support so you can stop feeling like an alien in your own body. at the end of the day, you cannot transition out of being in your body. you’re going to be at the end of the road, out of options one day, after all the hrt and surgeries, and realize that you’re still “you”.
the alarm bells should be going off for anyone who hears you talking like this. you are obviously deeply uncomfortable in your body, using gender as a scapegoat. one day it won’t work.
@@ellepalmer No, I view it as a problem with my physical body, as a cis woman in the same situation would
There isn't any kind of mental health support that could help with this, because at the end of the day the discomfort would still be there. The only related mental health problems I've had have been resulting from this, not causing it, like being checked out of my life for most of my teen years. It's hard to truly convey the nature of this to someone who doesn't share my experience. It's not like there's some default state of a male gender identity that I could somehow go back to; this is the default state. No hypothetical psychiatric treatment could change the underlying sensory phenomena
Yes, I'm still me, but this was never a problem. I'm still a computing scientist, I have the same interests and hobbies, and I dress pretty similarly with jeans and a fitted shirt, just from the women's section now. The features of my face look more like how they're supposed to, and my body has changed in a lot of ways to be more like how it's supposed to be
At the end of the road after HRT, surgery, etc, I'll be me but with a much more feminine body that doesn't feel uncomfortable. No more looking in the mirror and seeing someone else, or feeling pins in my face that won't go away, or being upset by the protrusion and shape of my forehead and brow bone or the way my voice sounds, etc. Gender isn't a scapegoat for a problem, it is the problem, and this is the solution. Had I either been born a girl or been given HRT earlier, I wouldn't have this problem
@@Brookeliumyou are saying a lot of things that you act like are self evident, like “any cis girl would feel the same way” or “if i was born a girl i wouldn’t have this problem” but you can’t know those things because they aren’t possible to know. and you are making so many assumptions about the reason why you feel this way, assuming you will feel better after you do all of these irreversible things to your body, as if your body is the problem but not your mind. it’s just not. that’s not how it works.
set a reminder in your calendar to come back to this comment in 5 years. let me know how it works out for you.
@@ellepalmer I'm not sure how to convince you that I'm correct in being 100% certain that I'll still be on this path 50+ years from now. Something that makes this difficult is that we tend to project our own experience onto others; I do this when my male friends tell me they wouldn't rather be women and I feel like they aren't being completely truthful, even after getting the same answer from other guys over the years. Do you think your perspective as a detransitioner could be coloring your understanding of my situation in a similar way? I feel this is likely
I already feel much better having done irreversible things to my body. There hasn't been a single time in my life where I've wanted my body to be more masculine, it's always the opposite; I've wanted this for at least 22 years, since I was at most 4. These changes are very tangible and not abstract -- I'm speaking about physical changes that I've already gotten, that I can see and feel. I could write in great detail about these changes and how I really like each of them. What hypothetical scenario could change this? Maybe these changes could make me uncomfortable with how others perceive and understand me, but even if we suppose it's bad enough to make me socially detransition, I would still continue taking female hormones, because I like everything they do
I'm not an unreliable narrator of my own experience. I know that I won't go back to testosterone in the same way that I know I won't develop a sexual attraction to men -- these concepts are completely foreign to me. I feel clean and comfortable in my feminized body. Maybe you can't imagine things being this clear cut, given your experience, but ask women with PCOS, or just random women, how they would feel if puberty started turning them into men. I simply don't want my body to be deformed by testosterone. I'm sure in the future I'll ask a bunch of men, "you would totally rather be a woman, but just don't pursue this because of some deeply rooted shame imposed on you by society, right?", expecting that this time I'll get a different answer, because intuitively it feels like it must be true, but I can still understand intellectually that this isn't true. In the same vein, you might intuitively feel that I just can't be this confident about my transition, because you can only ever contextualize this from within your own experience, but try to understand intellectually that this is not the case. My gender identity is and has always been stable, there has never been a "wtf am I doing" moment with HRT, even briefly, and there won't be. You'll find that many (most?) people similarly have a strong and stable sense of gender identity, and it really isn't that weird that I do too, just in the opposite direction than you would expect
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WOW! You're so beautiful and feminine. I just watched your video from a year ago and I see such a change in you. Your very informative and engaging. I hope there are people being helped by your testaments. I have never been muscular but years ago, I had been working in a pet store, lifting large aquariums and bird cages and developed muscles that I'd never had my whole life. I was 35 at the time and my friend commented on my new arms! I lost them over the years and now at 70 consider myself fairly strong in spite of ever working out. Your body is very feminine.
The concept of Self ID needs to be explained how adding this to trans policy has been deeply problematic.
You look amazing
No man will take E to attack women. He can do it better with T.
You have such a beautiful smile
Hello just randomly found your channel. Thank you for posting these videos to at least try to pull back some girls from such harmful transition. I was also a gender questioning girl since like 6 and I’ve always liked boy stuff but I went to a girls school. During the time I find myself not fitting with the girls bc of my personality and things and really wanted to be a guy instead. Now thinking about it thankfully I wasn’t living in a western world where these trans stuff are acceptable, back then I don’t even know trans is a thing.
Puberty is always a phase where teenagers question about everything. Now that I’m in my 20’s and get more mature, I’m very very glad that I wasn’t indoctrinated with the trans theory and I would’ve faced the same thing you did from transition to detransition. But I’m genuinely happy for you rn.
How many trans women are actually being unchallenged in competitive sports? I feel like it would be very few but I could be wrong. I have heard that they take each person on a case by case basis and determine whether they can compete or not.
Oh dear it's happening everyday... Mostly in highschool and college levels... It's completely crazy because it's taking so many opportunities away from girls who have worked their whole lives to succeed in their sport. I saw a runner the other day who beat out other highschool girls in a track competition. I think it was up north where people are usually more accepting however the crowd booed them. People are getting sick of this.
@@pettykittyfam so sad that people were bullying her. What school was it at? And how many trans girls are competing in high school and college?
The lack of the ability to precisely distinguish between "real" and "fake" trans people doesn't mean that real trans people don't exist.
I think a big part of the problem is that there was so much backlash against the intense gatekeeping and dismissal of trans people's legitimacy that any gatekeeping at all is considered unacceptable. It's sort of like a traumatic response, but for a whole social movement.
It's also so new that we just don't know how to do things right yet. How do we make sure someone is "really trans" before letting them transition? Who gets to decide that? How do we deal with people who want to claim the status of a protected class while seemingly not belonging to it. Do we have to have "passing police"? Do we have to have "tokens of trans-ness" that are given to people after they've achieved certain milestones in conforming to societal expectations to show they've "put in the effort"?
So much real practical stuff to sort out, but the news is dominated by a pointless shouting match between "Your existence wrong" vs. "Trust me, bro".
You are very pretty I hope you feel as pretty as you look !
Be thankful you never got that awful forearm scaring surgery.
You sound and look really healthy
Brava Elle. Totally agree with you
I still think there’s people who are afflicted with transgender and nothing but transitioning will make them feel better. And I still think there’s people who are affected by gender ideology and transitioning isn’t the only answer. I am very convinced of this. This is not to say I don’t agree with you. I do agree with you. But I’m also convinced there’s people who were influenced by hormones in utero. That has been proven in animals. So I think that is incredibly rare. So rare that you would barely hear about this people, unlike the explosion of trans we’ve seen lately which is socially motivated.
I disagree.
Doesn’t matter that you “disagree” She’s 100% right. Males can’t be female no matter how badly they wish it so, no matter how much wrong sex hormones they take, no matter how many surgeries they get. Only MEN can be “transwomen”.
I have a question, how does one treat someone that thinks they’re trans? Like, they’re miserable and have gender dysphoria. And therapy doesn’t help. What then?
They begin presenting as the opposite gender/sex/whatever.
I suggest that we go back to the original term, "transsexual" and be required to live as the other sex full time for no less than 2 years and seek surgery.
They’re not “female to male” they’re just male.
When it comes to the sports discussion, I think it makes more sense to match athletes by physique in general rather than just sex because so many athletes who are cis men or cis women also have biological advantages (such as higher bone or muscle density, or being naturally very tall) over opponents of the same sex too. It's not just about sex but about size and genetics in general. If there was stricter segregation by physical advantage in general, I think the people screaming about transphobia would be less likely to do that.
Like there is just no way all of these kids on tiktok are trans. If you found that community helpful to you I'm so glad, however i think it is a lot more rare than we think and I hope there isn't a wave of people who regret their decisions later.
You totally lost me when you said you're against transitioning at all. Think of how many people found an end to their depression and consider the extremely low rates of transition regret. Does it even really matter if it's in someone's head or not, if it keeps them alive? Trans people on sports I don't disagree with. Serious vetting before allowing trans women, especially those with sex crime histories, into prisons, I agree with. We need to have compassion for people who are transitioning for the right reasons.
It’s not low trans regret. Show me the studies that say…oh that’s right, there are none. People who detrans are shunned by the cult and dismissed, bullied etc. so most won’t even speak out, but the only researchers who have records following the trends, show that most dysphoria desists after adolescence.
She's someone who's been through that and obviously regrets it and now has to live with the change of her voice.
I'm also for transitioning but for people with actual gender dysphoria.
@@fadalerabrasool3563 She is, and that sucks. She's in the minority as a de-transitioner. People who regret their transition deserve a voice. They should not advocate against transitioning for everyone.
Please do a podcast
I am curious why you detransitioned? Because like you said in the video: Men have advantages over women.
You are a nice reasonable person. That’s why it’s obvious this is an agenda. Other wise this nonsense would not happen. What happened to, be who you are???? We would be allowed and not manipulated
Sports are divided by biological sex, not gender.
So I don't understand why there's even a debate.
Also who is stopping a predator from walking into changerooms and assaulting women anyway? I don't understand why they need to say that they're trans; like I guess as a defence, but then if they've assaulted a woman they'll still get charged for that?
As to prisons
My stand is that a Trans woman must be post op,
not merely identify.
That is sure to separate the girls from the boys.
This brings up issues.
Those issues need be dealt with.
But no girl part then no girl prison..period!❤
Public does not owe criminals a free transition. And that if one commits a crime as a man - they serve it as a man.
There should be additional facilities for vulnerable groups with divisions of like w/ like.
@@lizadeeza100% agree
Each side does NOT have equally valid points.
Your voice had changed
The amount of times she said “its just a fact” about her own opinions is alarming
to be fair in her case she has experienced testosterone and it changed her body going through puberty so of course she will say them as facts.
X is only worth 3 points in this neighborhood because we all agree, and a unisex bathroom at a university feels different than a unisex bathroom in Detroit. People are trying to unify 2 subjective, subcultural, arbitrary value sets as if they're objective, scientific theories that are supposed to fit together.
I'm a little shocked to hear "There is no true trans" but hearing it from you has waÿ more credibility than hearing it from, say, Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Dear Elle,
I'm having a bit of a dilemma .. in the past, I've brought the things you're speaking about up with my dad--who is absolutely 100% harmless, has three daughters, and even finds it difficult and saddening to watch movie scenes with women suffering
Hes become more and more inclined to believe what im saying is true to the degree i insist it is (although has yet to define the word woman🤪), but I've also pointed out to him a certain dynamic that particularly bugs me; My sister has a friendship with a trans identified male, and I pointed out that this friendship *technically* has the potential to be predicated on nothing but the notion that my sister is comfortable changing in front of him, and if she one day decided she wasnt, they may not be friends anymore. My dad's response was that this is okay, not an issue as long as my sister is willing to participate, and that, yes, they may infact stop being friends if this happened.
This was chilling to me. Why would this be something he'd endorse, even remotely? This conversation was a really weird interaction I had with him.
Anyways, I cannot actually tell where he stands. My dad doesn't have a misogynistic bone in his body, really .. but he thinks this is an acceptable way to interact with women? Why would he think this is good (or at least a neutral, if albeit peculiar experience) for women ?
The only thing I can come up with us that he's imagining someone with no malicious intent, acting this out .. but if this is all you're basing a friendship off with someone (again, this may only be technically true), then surely they just don't care about women's boundaries.. I'd love a response. Thank you for your uploads🩶
A woman or a man is one who externally presents enough feminine or masculine traits such that they can be broadly intersubjectively understood to be taking up an already-existing socially established gendered role. You can essentially achieve manhood or womanhood by portraying sufficient masculine or feminine representations. Most people are men or women and fall into enough masculine and feminine traits to be easily categorized. This is a social definition for gender and is not to be confused with self identification, which is an interpersonal definition relating to one's internal cognitive experience of gender and is only really relevant to those a person is sufficiently trusting of and close to. So to be clear, real big-brained wokes do not care how you identify. Save it for your queer DnD group. We have pre-existing categories for femininity and masculinity that make up the gender spectrum. We understand that gender is represented as binary, meaning there are indeed only two genders. While the human composites of all gendered presentations are varied along the spectrum the binary creates, these unique collections of presentations do not make up new genders. They make up how our identities messily mesh with our socially constructed gendered world and roughly assess just how intersubjectively masculine or feminine we are. We are not trying to errode the meaning of gender. That said, it is more common (though still uncommon) for one's internal experience of gender to be neither sufficiently masculine or feminine to be categorized and is where a lot of gender abolitionist nonbinary identities are actually valid. It is genuinely very difficult and rare to actually physically meet the bodily structure to be broadly miscategorized or uncategorized in regards to our physical gender presentation. What makes nonbinary identities more valid as a broad middle category is our continued intersubjective incorporation of nonbinary representations, which fall on both sides of the spectrum. Enbys cannot so easily fall outside of manhood or womanhood so much as they can appeal to a new socially gendered role. Though this gendered role does at first seemingly betray a larger gender abolitionist outlook, the reality is, we do not want to errode the meaning of gender. We just want everyone to better understand it so we all may have more agency over our engagement with it. Stay hopeful, enbys
Boy someone needs to catch a breath. Your head must be spinning after this mental gymnastics. A woman is an adult female human, a man is an adult male human.
By your logic, anyone who identifies as either, only exists as such bc other ppl see them that way. We aren't roles, we aren't what other ppl decide we are. Men and women exist as something much more profound than that. Youre broken in your words, and unacceptablely so. It's not acceptable to forget what human beings are. Silly silly silly.
Boy you must be dizzy after those mental gymnastics. By your own logic men and women only exist because that's what other people see them as. I can assure you, you wouldn't fool anyone. Truly, this is sad. You must be so broken and consumed by the loads of shit you spew. Deeply concerning when people forget what human being are.
@tombskater3000 wow! i would honestly love to make a video talking with you about this, this comment is really fascinating to me.
So I don't really think I have much to say to you, OP. I laid a lot of really good stuff out in my reply. I'd venture a guess that I am at least trying to disambiguate how typical wokeoids talk about gender in a way you've never heard before. You cannot just treat this reply like it is coming from an ideologue. At this point, you are going to need to go outside of conventional discourse and put in work and thought to understand the lens of analysis I am using in making sense of and trying to make peace with our deeply gendered world.
"We aren't roles. We arent't what other people decide we are. Men and women exist as something much more profound than that."
Your "We aren't" statements almost spiritually align with a gender abolitionist perspective. That is, you seem to be getting across that there is a true or authentic self that exists beyond the social norms we have nebulously created around our sexes. You allude to a deep-rooted... something... that defines men and women or guides their existence but you do not explain what it is. "Adult human" does not seem to get to the depth you're alluding to. Please explain.
And by the way, to keep it light, you wouldn't expect a cat to be so nasty. Like, kitty, I understand that this whole big-braining process can be very frustrating, but here's a friendly reminder not to be such a little menace. Meow UwU.
I'm a Humanist and Love is my religion and YES we have biological differences, thats not hate speech is just a natural fact and that's OKAY
It’s not a biological fact. Do some research
I would be interested in what research you have found that backs up your perspective. Please share the links.
It absolutely is stop looking up bias research that fits what you want to hear.
Wow. Really sad to see the shift of the discourse in your channel. You were nice and supportive of trans ppl, and trans ppl supported your detransition. The wording in your description box is pure radfem word vomit. What the heck? What happened?
Sending much love in your way, because you clearly are in need of it. Don't let your self-hate be redirectioned towards a marginalized group.
(PS: May god bless your heart, and please rethink where you get your sources. You are not immune to right wing propaganda.)
did you even watch the video? im literally arguing points for both sides… that was the entire purpose of this video- to show that both sides have valid points. it’s really sad that you won’t even bother to hit “play” after reading a description.
If you believe critical thought = hate or swallowing propaganda then you might need to reconsider your own beliefs, friend.
@@ellepalmer Elle- it is their agenda. Say anything against the trans community, even if it makes total common sense, they call you transphobic.... it is their way of trying to shut you up. Well, a lot of people are getting sick and tired of it.
Biology isn’t bigotry and truth isn’t hate speech.
Obviously anything you don't want to hear is "right wing propaganda"... Men are many times stronger than women, and taking estrogen obviously doesn't weaken them by much.
Honestly the fact that you aren’t approving any comment that doesn’t agree with your viewpoint is cowardly af and kinda ironic considering a lot of Terfs argue that they’re being silenced hahaha
Here was my comment again in case you decide to not delete this :) There's no 'biological' way to prove people have a lot of mental disorders. We still rely on archaic assessment tools and family interviews, there's no brain scan or biological marker for most disorders. Does that mean they don't exist and we shouldn't treat them with medication?
Science is constantly evolving. Maybe we will one day have a brain scan that can determine if someone is trans (and if they have a disorder), science just isn't there yet. It'd be like if a few hundred years ago someone threw out the idea that bacteria existed just because we didn't have the microscopes to prove their existence.
Also who is stopping a predator from walking into changerooms and assaulting women anyway? I don't understand why they need to say that they're trans; like I guess as a defence, but then if they've assaulted a woman they'll still get charged for that?
They may not be able to diagnose with neuroimaging alone but they can help identify what's going on.
“you aren’t approving any comment that doesn’t agree with your viewpoint” wtf are you talking about? i dont delete any comments. i’ve never done that. feel free to share whatever you want. it doesn’t affect me in the least.
you didn't say anything about men. nothing bad ever happens to men I guess 🙄
I think she can’t speak on men not having that true experience. Also I don’t think the topics are relevant to men. Like women aren’t begging to go to men’s prisons or play men sports, even trans FtM.
@@b_ford72Y'all are so selfish. Why should women empathize with men who treat us like you do? Get real.