To be honest I was once considered to transition but thank god I didn’t because I don’t like the idea of being in medication for the rest of my life or being a guinea pig for greedy doctors.
@@legoshirochaTaking medication forever isn't the most ideal situation. But sometimes there is no better option. It would be great if I didn't have to take asthma medication every day. But it's better than the alternative. Same goes for medical transition. I have a urethral stricture that is probably due to my bottom surgery. It sucks. But it sucks less than gender dysphoria. For me ending up in the ER because I couldn't urine sucks less than the gender dysphoria I had to deal with. Knowing what I know now, I would go back and do it all again. It's up to the individual to decide if medical transition is worth the hassle. In my case it's well worth the hassle.
I hate it that whenever I try to explain or help anyone, I get banned, insulted, harassed, hated, called a biggot...... yet I still have empathy but its soo frustrating to see people hurt themselves and be hated for not liking it. Anyway, respect your body for what it is, you only have one and its only once. You are alive and you got out of that bullshit, that matter a lot.
Also still promoting “studies” that have already been debunked as nonsense: like the trans brains resembling their chosen sex argument. Nobody ever offered me a brain scan…
My argument is that a 16 year old cannot consent to something that can have lifelong effects and isn't a medical necessity. I also have a problem when adults are clearly mentally unwell and are given surgery without treating their mental health first. If you are an adult are mentally well then it is up to you but if you are not, then I still think that some level of protection should be provided.
I wish the law would be consistent though, where i live the age of consent is only 15 so no law reprecussions for a 50 yo man sleeping with a 15 yo but that can also lead to trauma and mental health issues knowng, that old, usually men, prey on young girls. And 16 yo's can drop out and live by themselves so how can them be old enough for that? And also mutilaing intersex kids is legal, making a choice for them they may regret and performing risky and not life saving surgery on INFANTS. Every anti trans bill still enabled hurting intersex kids and their surgeries can have similar reprecussions to surgeries performed on trans people, more severe actually because they are small
As a 16 year old who was allowed to, and did, consent to puberty blockers and testosterone at the age of 14- I am now detransitioning and wish I was never allowed on hormones. Even if my trans identity persisted through adulthood, It would have been better for my physical and mental health to transition in my adult years, and after working through mental health issues. I would have also been given the chance to live a normal fucking life.
The argument, especially from the guardian's side, is that they are told by doctors or their child that not transitioning equals them unaliving themselves. How do you argue this case when this is the prevalent reasoning? So many reputable doctors would rather the child wait to transition but then the parents say "but if we don't do it now, my kids gonna do the unthinkable". Thus, ethics become skewed. I teach about trans via Christine Jorgensen's research and trans is valid and backed up by science, however the new social constructs confuse the proper diagnosis.
Plus, If not transitioning a child will make them kill their self, why are they being put on hormones before receiving proper help for mental health or a mental hospital until they no longer feel suicidal
My wife was listening in and said, "Why is the first goal when a 16 year old girl is experiencing any kind of dysphoria to put them on a ton of psych meds, hormones, and surgery to transition her into being a man? Why aren't these professionals asking how they can address problems in their lives with counseling and cognitive behavioral therapy? 16-22 is the most difficult point in someone's life, why throw a ton of different problems on her plate instead of trying to help deal with the problems in her life. A 16 year old is a child, completely incapable of making a lifelong decision." Why indeed. Elle I'm glad to see you're doing better as time goes on and I'm sorry about what happened to you. You are a measured, intelligent, thoughtful person. Your voice is important.
I had a difficult adolescence. Acne, more body weight than the average girl and a meek disposition made it very hard for me to relate to others. I'm honestly uncertain how I would have handled it if I had been love-bombed by genderbending people back then and I completely sympathize with children who get swept up in the fad, but I also think parents need to take a strong stance with their kids on the matter even if it means breaking off friendships or cautioning their kids about the horrors of transitioning and being on hormones for life. It is far healthier and safer to learn how to accept and grow into one's natural healthy body.
@@sterlingmartin3235 Adolescence is just hard. The entire ideology took society by storm. Unfortunately a lot of bad actors exploited the conversation, anybody questioning the matter was morally blackmailed, accused of unaliving children if they questioned the underlying rhetoric or implications of affirming care. As a consequence within two years suddenly the number of trans identifying youth absolutely exploded. Things are changing now though, even trans people are urging a cautioned and measured approach, especially when it comes to notoriously dumb and impulsive kids. The fact is most people care about and support each other but there is an undeniably nuanced value judgement when it comes to gender-affirming care, leaning away from it in all but the most extreme cases. Nobody wants to see LGB, autistic, or tomgirls who think this will make them, "normal" pushed into a medical nightmare. Admitting this doesn't come from a place of intolerance or make people hateful and I think all but the craziest ideologues agree.
@@jennoscura2381 I don't think anybody who has given the subject serious thought would contend gender dysphoria doesn't exist. For you this may have been the correct path. The problem is the causes of what is increasingly labeled gender dysphoria is not always best treated with surgery and hormones. Those suffering acute gender dysphoria are unquestionably confirmed less common than the prevalence of those reporting as trans-identifying. The most comprehensive scientific report to date concluding a staggering number of these people are LGB youth. Among other reasons many become fixated on transition while grappling with the realization of a non-normative sexuality, thinking, "if only I were I girl I'd be normal". That's a very different issue than gender dysphoria and the most common tune sung by detransitioners. Furthermore there are people who suffer gender dysphoria but to a degree that may not necessitate something extreme as surgical intervention. You of all people should understand the egregious nature of that particular intervention. Irrevocable severity contrasted with the possibility medical intervention may not be the correct decision is at the heart of the reasoning behind the UK's decision to pump the brakes on gender affirming care. The is a rapidly growing camp of people who have underwent these surgeries, only to later realize they were fixated on transitioning for the wrong reasons is deeply concerning. In my heart of hearts for your sake I genuinely do hope this was the correct decision for you. Would you not contend a decision like that is worth careful consideration and evaluation, to make absolutely sure someone isn't going to later regret it?
I admire your vulnerability and humility here. I would just like to point out that if you were 16, then yes, you were lied to. It's okay to feel you were wronged and to be angry about that. The people you got involved with always said your feelings matter, and any raw feelings you have towards those who were supposed to love you are also valid.
Your video came in on my For You page and I didn’t even recognize you! You are glowing! I have followed your journey for a few years now and I really appreciate your perspective and videos. Thanks for your vulnerability and willingness to be open about your thoughts and experiences. You are such a valuable voice in the community. Thank you!
Incorrect, full brain maturation typically occurs between 21-23 in females & between 23-25 in males. Would you agree that if someone is too young to be able to make their own medical decisions, then they are also too young to be able to decide to join the military or get married?
Girl you literally crossed my mind earlier today 😭 I’m happy to see you though! Your videos always have such a comforting vibe. I hope that you’ve been doing well! 🥰 Side note: your hair is gorgeous!
Totally agree with you, Elle. It is total madness. Too much pressure is placed on young, vulnerable minds. No one should be exposed to this kind of bullshit.
Going through the wrong puberty causes irreversible damage to the body whether that puberty is natal or caused by HRT. Why are you willing to trust a cis kid’s sense of gender identity more than you trust a trans kid’s?
Ive followed you for years and WOW the change is incredible it's inspiring its almost like it never happened to you physically. Such an amazing journey
I’ve been following your journey for a while now, and I admire how brave you are, how much you’ve grown, and how strong you’ve become. It’s people like you who should go viral for all the right reasons.
As a young trans boy, I find this perspective incredibly important. I know that as much as I identify as a boy, I am still young. Videos like this help keep me aware of the very real possibility that I may regret transition, and they, along with my amazing parents, are the reason I would never medically transition at this age. I'm glad you share your perspective, and I think it's very enlightening. I wish you the best. 💙
I really hope you don't do it. You can only ever severely, irreversibly harm your body. You can never become a boy or a man. Just a masculinized girl / woman. Sex cannot be changed, and there is no such thing as being in the "wrong" body. Just certain people having a hard time accepting their bodies, for various underlying reasons. Which.. I really hope you instead choose honesty, and reality, and your health. So that instead of harming / punishing your healthy body because it's female, you instead try to get to a place of accepting that you're female! Even if you don't love it. Just.. accept it. And maybe it helps knowing that you still ARE, and always will be, whether you accept it or not..? You have been sold on a LIE that you can change or escape your sex, when actually you can't. I also imagine ceasing to think about yourself as a "boy" might help. You are not a boy! You are a girl who dislikes being a girl! Simple as that. Female is a SEX. YOUR sex. Not an identity, or a feeling, or the state of adhering to sexist stereotypes. Which, lying to yourself about your sex..? Will only increase your unhealthy, dangerous dissociation from reality and your body, that sadly this sick and twisted culture encourages. Wishing you all the best!! Absolutely NO hate, whatsoever. Just, I saw this comment, and it made me sad, and hit me RIGHT in the f*cking feels!! I really hate Western society for lying to young people, and presenting them with this false "escape", instead of helping them come to love and accept themselves as they are! And I hate gender ideology, and this whole evil, twisted, sexist, regressive, homophobic, despicable agenda, SO f*cking much! But I don't hate you in the slightest. I'll be rooting for you, and really hoping you choose a better path than this! Plus that you wake up and see through all the lies you've been fed! Argh, my feels. Please, take care and stay safe over there. ❤️
Regret is certainly possible. But as I understand it, genuine regret is fairly rare. Whatever you do, make sure you are well informed. Know that there are tons of ways to be trans. You don't have to medically transition to be trans. I am glad I medically transitioned. But it's not for everyone.
You are beautiful Elle!! Inside and outside but for putting all of these videos out here for all of us to learn. I’m a PMHNP and knew NOTHING about this from my recent master’s program until my child told me they think they want to transition at freshly turning 17 and being moved into the dorms immediately by the other parent. I have learned more than I ever could ask for from amazing outreach people like you. You are speaking the TRUTH
I was also 16, autistic however i was a boy and thought it was the right thing and acceped the side effects, got off when i was 19 almost 20, i turned 20 and realized i don't want these irreversible changes. I even started working out to try to lessen them but it improved a bit but definitely not how it was before. I have gynocomastia that before i thought i was trans i was scared to ever get but i realized im a bit feminine in my accessories, and i accepted the changes to fit in. I realized that its not fair past me did this to myself but i do blame me with this, my older brother warned me i didn't listen and just wanted to do it more. I was thinking of getting surgery but what's the point what's done is done and ill forever live with the mistake luckily for me it's not to noticable but yea i totally agree with u that teenagers and young adults should wait. Im not saying no one should its just that its over hyped and doesn't do too much for the body but mostly negative effects if u think about it, its not good to have a hormonal imbalance, exspeshally on purpose and so extreme for years on end.
Glad to see you back Elle ❤ there is 100% a social contagion. The “trans” fad is the next goth kid. It’s very unfortunate for people who actually suffer with gender dysphoria, because it seems like their condition is being mocked. I too am on the spectrum and people on the spectrum think differently concerning their social roles. I NEVER felt like other girls, ever, and I still don’t. But I figured out that I am still a woman even if I’m a different kind 😉 we sound like kindred spirits tbh. Much love to you!
You've really evolved a lot in the past few years. I remember your first few videos... Your argument against transition has matured. I agree a lot of transition is likely socially driven (sure a tiny number may have real dysphoria like Blaire claims) and children are certainly not old enough to consent. Your voice is a force for good. Thank you 🙏👍😎
Came here wondering who the pretty lady talking about console modding in James' comments was, and instead I found someone intellectually articulating a lot of weird underlying disquiet I've been feeling. I'm not trans, never thought I could be despite some natural fem presentation and occasional misgendering, but I have friends that I worry about. I want to do the right thing by them. This video has seriously helped me form that disquiet into something I can express.
@@Trygonthat’s why i dont do political activism, lol. im fine in my corner of the internet talking to like minded people. i dont have much faith in being super public with government advocacy
I am autistic. We are capable of making decisions. I made the decision to medically transition and get bottom surgery. I am very glad that I did that. Autistic adults should be treated like autistic adults not children. Just because I have some difficulties and deficits doesn't mean I wasn't capable of consenting to medical transition.
Thank you! From what I've understood, I think some are very informed before physical alterations, and some are not. I do think that a combination of lies, withheld information, pressure and other manipulations also often do occur. But I agree with you, even if every teenager was well informed, we have to acknowledge that they still don't have the capacity to realistically assess how the future would be after alterations also not to foresee what it would actually mean to live with in the long run. Even if every kid was well informed, they still don't have the true capacity to concent.
Elle, your perspective is so important. I think as you get older and as your perspective continues to develop your voice will become ever more important. Moving forward, you can become a wider force for good. You will become one of the leading advocates for the upcoming generations. Either start your own organisation or join forces with an already established one. Help to spread the word and education.
Elle, to get a definitive diagnosis of being on the autism spectrum, you should go to a neuropsychologist. They will take a detailed history from you (or your parents), and do some diagnostic tests. Those being tests on paper, not blood or instruments. Autism is no longer a diagnosis. There is classical autism which are the people who are unable to speak, or interact with the world around them. And other than that there is a spectrum of small diagnoses, that together make a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder. These smaller diagnoses would be something along the lines of sensory issues, auditory sensitivity, difficulty making transitions, lack of empathy, lack of insight into other people, difficulty making eye contact with other people, difficulty with communication, and so on. You can have any number of these issues and not qualify as being on the autism spectrum.
If I believe I have diabetes (and I don't) and a doctor prescribe me insulin, who is responsable for the damage in my health? Or I have heart condition and the doctor send me to a neuropsychiatrist to treat me for anxiety or he sends me for a heart surgery (I don't need), can you say that I am to be blamed for the ill effect of the unnecessary and wrong treatments or the lack of the right treatment? As victims (I classify myself in this category), we want to blame ourself, to gain a form of control on our life. We think "If I did X, Y and Z, this would not have happened. From now on, I will do X, Y and Z and I will be safe". It is a rationalization. The reality is bad things happens and will happen. We will make bad choices and we are not safe. People will hurt us. The only thing we can aim is to learn from our mistakes and forgive ourself for the wrong turns our life took and get better to protect ourselves. In my life I have seen a number of misdiagnosis and medical errors, which are far from infrequent. In my mind, you are innocent and a victim of affirmed care practices. Whishing you the best for your life 🌷.
Elle you are 100% correct. No way can kids make this type of decision. When we're young we want things right now and never think about tomorrow. I wouldn't let my kids get tattoos or piercings except for ears for this very reason. My friend has a tattoo, or a tongue ring, or yes want to be transgender. I'm not anti any of this but I feel that you should be an adult before making irreversible changes. Thank you for sharing 😊
I was super introverted through college, didn’t date at all, maybe low grade autism too, so not in danger of social contagion. OTOH, online was much more limited, 1980s, dial up! Once I for example pretended to be my sister and it is interesting to create a persona and not know if it is credible. But if trans existed online, perhaps I could imagine being a boring girl as well as a boring boy. I didn’t see the difference. I accepted I was male, but idea of being a man seemed a claim of higher order. Maybe I felt androgynous or asexual in social presentation anyway. I didn’t like my male sex drive, attracted to girls from a distance, but no imagination to act on it, so if I could call myself non-binary, suppress T, I could see that, even if I told no one. I’d not want to do anything to gain social attention. Must be many ways to be caught by the cult. I’m sad for kids now. Thanks for speaking up!
This is really interesting. I think children thinking about identity is a positive thing…I think being introspective and investigating and asking yourSelf if or why you like something is integral to figuring out who you are truly. We DO largely just accept what’s given to us without even blinking whether it’s gender or religion. You said at 10;18 “ we’ve never had to think about that before” as if it’s a bad thing. Why do you perceive that as negative?
16 year olds, and many teens much older, have usually not completely developed brain maturity yet and the logical pre-frontal cortex has yet to completely sync with the emotional part of the brain. It is a growth and structural issue. Is it any wonder that many, many young females bombarded by Trans ideology on line and in peer groups and media and often with other mental health issues that have not been treated become confused about their sex and believe that any sort of feeling of alienation or difference can be attributed to "being Trans". It is unreasonable for anyone to judge a young teen brain for reacting emotionally and acting sometimes impulsively when surrounded by propaganda about "being born in the wrong body" when no one ever is "born wrong"!! When teens are suffering, they need help, and mental health issues need treatment before anything else can be fairly addressed. NONE of this is your fault! Even at 25-26 the brain is still growing. Yes social contagion and ideology is a lot of this phenom. of young teen girls "becoming Trans". At the very least, assessment for mental health issues other than g.d. needs to be done to ensure many don't mistakenly transition medically in order to deal with the other issues that may make them feel "different". It is actually a wonder more teens don't fall into this trap given the climate and indoctrination in this ideology. Nothing against adults without other mental health issues who find transition helpful living their lives as they see fit, but brain maturity is a huge part of teens falling into this and regretting it.
19:00 People come to regret tattoos that they once got when they were younger, and that's far less permanent that irreversible surgeries and voice deepening, to name some of the outcomes of transitioning too early.
I have different experiences from you. I am a couple years older and I have been on HRT since 2016. I first came out at the age you began your transition. I always had a sense of myself as gender-diverse before I knew there was anyone like me, and I came out as bisexual before anything, soon seeking out my high school’s GSA for that cause. I found a lot of camaraderie and refuge there. I also think transition is different for males than for females, and I think there is a biological basis for this, as, if transness has a biological basis that can be traced congenitally, then mtf transsexuals undesirably virilized in utero whereas ftm transsexuals would have had to not virilize enough. There are from what I can tell magnitudes more ftmtf detransitioners than mtftm ones. Female is the default state of a fetus in utero unless an SRY gene is present, so it makes sense that mtf transsexuals find it much more consistently rewarding and restorative to transition, while ftm transsexuals are more likely to desist against it as masculinization masks and alters the body more than feminization does. This is also why it is harder to pass as mtf, and perhaps more traumatizing (save for breast growth) for an mtf patient to go through male puberty. To me though, as far as minors transitioning, a recent video by Julia Malott clarifies it rather well, that forbidding genuinely transgender teenagers from transitioning their bodies - namely the mtf transsexuals imo - will lead to trauma. It is much harder to restore a virilized body to female than to build a feminized body into male, unless done early. The notion of twelve-year-olds knowing themselves stably and transitioning is to me not the core and a sort of unintended dogwhistle, as most cases of juveniles transitioning are aged 15 to 17. I would have transitioned sooner if I could; I have had rage-filled anguish at my voice and virilization (namely for my voice) that began then and has largely subsided, but still maintains some residue. It can be infuriating and disillusioning living in a body that feels beyond you. I don’t feel that I transitioned out of others’ influence. I sought out that community. And in the end I’m largely on my own anyway. I sought out likemindeds because I needed further insight and I needed others who related. And I spent a long time in gendered limbo before going the distance to actually transition. I was 19 when I finally took the plunge. I am now 27. Even amid all I’ve been through, being able to live in a body that mostly matches my disposition and self-concept has been such a blessing. I feel that ftms are more likely to detransition though, and I feel that warrants caution.
do you think it’s possible that some kids can know (they have a more solid sense of identity) while other kids can’t? because there’s some trans kids who grow up as adults with no regrets in transitioning, but then ofc there’s people like you who realize it wasn’t for them.
Who knows what it feels like to be the opposite sex? There is literally no way to know, much less to gauge whether your identity somehow matches a state which is inherently unknowable.
I was under the impression that this is true, because I know trans people who say they've known since they were little, and I thought detransition rates were pretty low
Is there any research on this social contagion theory? I keep hearing people arguing that all of the research backing mental health benefits from transition isn't high enough quality to count, but why should I believe the same people that we can just assume trans to be a social contagion when the best piece of "research" in favour of that was a survey of gender-critical parents guessing
I wanted hormones when I was 15 and everyday till I got them at 65, why so late didn't know I could get them that early and thought I'd end in a rubber room, but I was wrong.
it goes both ways. Poor education of medical professionals and lack of funding/research regarding issues of gender dysphoria hurts both trans people and cis people/detrans people. the pain detransitoners go through is real, but it is in no way more hurtful than the pain of a trans person who is denied transition. I think too many people conflate being detransitioned with "seeing it from both sides" but that unfortunately cannot be proven and isn't really logically valid. Gender Dysphoria CAN be a symptom/consequence of something other than actually being transgender, but that does not mean it ALWAYS is.
clinically, speaking yes. but body dysphoria can cause similar levels of pain, as both pain and pain tolerance are relative and individualized, both require treatment to ease said pains, just different ones. @@animageofgod
It's interesting how the trans movement operates much like a religion. In religion, when your faith gets deconstructed the fault always lies with you. Nobody cares about what it was about the religion or faith that caused you to lose it. I am an atheist and I can't tell you how many times I was told that I was never a true Christian to begin with, or that I left the faith because of my ignorance. There was always blame. And the love and acceptance only applies if you're a part of the cult.
... except she doesn't invite herself into wrong-sex bathrooms, demand wrong-sex pronouns, and Elle STOPPED needlessly poisoning herself with pharma-hormones, for no evidence-based reason, while Blair is STILL poisoning himself, because he can't face the evidence-based truth, that he's a feminine, gay man. Blair seems like a nice person, but with a DEEPLY confused, self-contradictory belief system. Blair's own identity is built on the EXACT same foundation ("but I totes FEEL like a woman!!"), as Tiktok blue-hairs he acts so superior to.
Except he's a feminine, gay man that just can't accept it, so sad and he still uses the hormones and u have to accept him as a woman because he looks like it. That's his argument not mine, if u payed attention that's all he ever says
I'm really sorry this happened to you it breaks my heart photos of remember that restart this an elementary in preschool the woke cult Sesame Street woke cult the rainbow Flags everywhere I'm sorry you had to grow up in this time but you are a beautiful girl don't forget that❤❤❤ I am dyslexic I hope this works well
Block all the negative comments Sweetie. Believe me, you only need a support group, not a bitch group. Every different podcast I follow, no matter what the topic has negative comments. Some people thrive on negativity.
Really hard to relate to this having been trans for the past few decades. Half of them alone in the closet. (trans wasn't a thing that was known back when I was young). Pretty sure I wasn't "talked in to it" as I knew no one who was the same and it wasn't talked about at all, anywhere. Kind of sad if it has become some sort of fad nowadays. I think rigorous investigations are required for any person planning to start HRT. Even more so if that person is very young. But it absolutely should not be denied either. Because trans people exist. Real trans people that are not in it because of social pressure.
Idk if it’s because perhaps you’re still struggling with your own identity; But, i fail to see how kids taking time to make sure they’re being respectful to the person they’re talking to (by asking their pronouns) is a problem? The world is always changing and humanity learns and grows along with it.
Thank you for sharing your perspectives Elle. I believe you are over generalizing regarding pre-adults making a wrong decision to transition their gender. I still believe you are deliberately focusing on a small subset while paying far less attention to those who, decades later, say that their early transition was the best decision they ever made and that they wished they began physical transition at an earlier age. People can later regret the path that they took but that doesn't equate to them being 'stupid.' Virtually all dictators believed that they were creating a better society for their people. Most people don't think of that aspect of people's belief in themselves. You, like me, are likely on the autism spectrum. One of our characteristics is our obsessions. It has been shown that there is a higher rate of high-functioning autism among the transgender community. I see my obsessions as a blessing as well as being hindering at times. It allowed you to dig deeply into the consequences of transition, such as looking at technical studies. You've developed a following of many who have politically linked beliefs against pre-adult transition. I've looked a bit into that effort and notice many of they employ propaganda that cleverly leaves out many important details, in their quest to urge others to adopt their pre-existing prejudices. They never mention the many successful transitioners who knew that there was something very wrong with the natal gender that they were assigned at birth, as early as age three. That their parents noticed it as well in their child's behaviors. The anti-child transition forces fail to mention other signs of the self-hate found in many pre-adult transitions, such as self-harm cutting of themselves. They make no effort in pointing out the large group of people who regard their early transition as the best decision that they ever made, decades after beginning their early physical transition. I've found that the vast majority of the anti-trans community come from a background of never having any transition friends, or even acquaintances. They just know that they are right, from immersing themselves in data sources that reinforce what they prefer to believe in. I wish I could engage on our Twitter (X) channel but I chose to suspend my account the day after Elon took over the platform. I'm glad you are keeping an open mind on the many sides of this story and I'm glad to know that you've moved to a community that embraces a wide spectrum of views. I wish you the best in your career and in your activism. I agree that there is a small segment of early transitioners who are erroneously driven by social pressure and a desire to be fashionable.
Therapy has never been about ‘affirming’ your delusions. We go to therapy to say ‘i have a problem, help me get out of it’ not ‘im thinking this tell me im right.’ But gender therapy just tells you that your delusions are right
Elle I am 65 years old, and very involved in this massive topic. I think you drew conclusions that had holes in them for sure. I don't have the energy to explain what I mean. Sorry. One thing stood out to me , and that was that you went and told your mother about testosterone and she Never said anything, for it or against it. At least in what you shared with us in this video. My question would be where are the good parents now? I had absolutely abusive traumatic. Parents, so maybe you did not have parents that would have Told you and showed you and took you to a gender therapist to explore more deeply, then Simply, I want a deeper voice. Come on, that is way too simplistic. And you didn't share at all That your mother had anything to say about your decision at sixteen years old. Now let me Say that I absolutely agree with you. Nobody under the age of 18 should be able to have this transition or begin making a medical translation. know I listen to Detransitioners I listen to people of all Different kinds. And I really like the people like Buck angel, Who are sick of these people that are insisting that they are trans when it's a dude with stubble everywhere, wearing lipstick and a dress. Now he's not called a cross dresser. He insists he is a woman. This kind of crap pisses me off. I mean enough already and also with the pronouns. You know I'm not gonna sit here and ask every person How do you want me to refer to you? No, sorry it's too much already and I'm not going to bend over backwards to please Some entitled idiot because they think they have a right to yell at people and tell people that they're insensitive and all this kind of thing. Now, when I was young, I was a tomboy and when I say a tomboy, I mean I passed as a young boy. I would steal my brothers clothes. I passed as a young boy. And I was a tomboy. My narcissistic, crazy mother took me to a gender clinic to have my sexchanged at 9 years old as a punishment for me. Wearing boy's clothes. Now the interesting thing is thank God i'm not a tomboy now, who knows what I'd be. I changed when I got my first boyfriend. It just fell away. I liked being a girl. Anyway it's all gone insane. Blame could fall on many many factors. BTW Elle, what does Autism have anything to do with any of this? What makes you think you have Autism, that must be quite interesting.
I'm sorry but I've got to disagree with you pretty strongly, you even directly contradict yourself when you point to the omission of how teenagers are influenced by their surroundings. You absolutely *were* lied to, I've listened to enough detransitioners to know this is a very common complaint in the process. Terms like "gender affirming" and "assigned sex" ARE lies. Doctors that are more concerned with avoiding the hornet's nest, telling vulnerable people it "isnt their place to question how you identify" ARE lying. You *wanted* these things because they were framed to you as a solution for a problem you were lied to about. The entire context about the trans debate is rife with lying, in the uk we finally *just* managed to pull the rug out from under puberty blockers as a treatment option because guess what, activists were lying constantly for the last decade about their effects. You cannot claim to have an informed choice when you weren't informed, and you were not informed, not honestly, not fully, not with *your* individual interests at heart.
I was 19 when I started testosterone and 22 when I had top surgery. Now that I'm 26 and considering what the rest of my life looks like I REGRET IT
tell this to others so much as you can. This is a crime what they are doing to the people and especially a young one!
To be honest I was once considered to transition but thank god I didn’t because I don’t like the idea of being in medication for the rest of my life or being a guinea pig for greedy doctors.
Please share your story to help others
@@legoshirochaTaking medication forever isn't the most ideal situation. But sometimes there is no better option. It would be great if I didn't have to take asthma medication every day. But it's better than the alternative. Same goes for medical transition. I have a urethral stricture that is probably due to my bottom surgery. It sucks. But it sucks less than gender dysphoria. For me ending up in the ER because I couldn't urine sucks less than the gender dysphoria I had to deal with. Knowing what I know now, I would go back and do it all again.
It's up to the individual to decide if medical transition is worth the hassle. In my case it's well worth the hassle.
I hate it that whenever I try to explain or help anyone, I get banned, insulted, harassed, hated, called a biggot...... yet I still have empathy but its soo frustrating to see people hurt themselves and be hated for not liking it. Anyway, respect your body for what it is, you only have one and its only once. You are alive and you got out of that bullshit, that matter a lot.
For me “being lied to” includes the doctors not being honest about the health issues with T & that transition is the best treatment for dysphoria .
Also still promoting “studies” that have already been debunked as nonsense: like the trans brains resembling their chosen sex argument. Nobody ever offered me a brain scan…
What better treatment is there for dysphoria?
My argument is that a 16 year old cannot consent to something that can have lifelong effects and isn't a medical necessity. I also have a problem when adults are clearly mentally unwell and are given surgery without treating their mental health first. If you are an adult are mentally well then it is up to you but if you are not, then I still think that some level of protection should be provided.
So you think a mentally well adult would choose to poison themselves and cut body parts off?
I wish the law would be consistent though, where i live the age of consent is only 15 so no law reprecussions for a 50 yo man sleeping with a 15 yo but that can also lead to trauma and mental health issues knowng, that old, usually men, prey on young girls. And 16 yo's can drop out and live by themselves so how can them be old enough for that? And also mutilaing intersex kids is legal, making a choice for them they may regret and performing risky and not life saving surgery on INFANTS. Every anti trans bill still enabled hurting intersex kids and their surgeries can have similar reprecussions to surgeries performed on trans people, more severe actually because they are small
excellent points
As a 16 year old who was allowed to, and did, consent to puberty blockers and testosterone at the age of 14- I am now detransitioning and wish I was never allowed on hormones. Even if my trans identity persisted through adulthood, It would have been better for my physical and mental health to transition in my adult years, and after working through mental health issues. I would have also been given the chance to live a normal fucking life.
@@SourPatches2077what I just said 😂 tf is wrong with them to do that as a fully developed adult, you know what I mean. 😢 It's sad.
The argument, especially from the guardian's side, is that they are told by doctors or their child that not transitioning equals them unaliving themselves. How do you argue this case when this is the prevalent reasoning? So many reputable doctors would rather the child wait to transition but then the parents say "but if we don't do it now, my kids gonna do the unthinkable". Thus, ethics become skewed. I teach about trans via Christine Jorgensen's research and trans is valid and backed up by science, however the new social constructs confuse the proper diagnosis.
Plus, If not transitioning a child will make them kill their self, why are they being put on hormones before receiving proper help for mental health or a mental hospital until they no longer feel suicidal
My wife was listening in and said, "Why is the first goal when a 16 year old girl is experiencing any kind of dysphoria to put them on a ton of psych meds, hormones, and surgery to transition her into being a man? Why aren't these professionals asking how they can address problems in their lives with counseling and cognitive behavioral therapy? 16-22 is the most difficult point in someone's life, why throw a ton of different problems on her plate instead of trying to help deal with the problems in her life. A 16 year old is a child, completely incapable of making a lifelong decision."
Why indeed. Elle I'm glad to see you're doing better as time goes on and I'm sorry about what happened to you. You are a measured, intelligent, thoughtful person. Your voice is important.
I had a difficult adolescence. Acne, more body weight than the average girl and a meek disposition made it very hard for me to relate to others. I'm honestly uncertain how I would have handled it if I had been love-bombed by genderbending people back then and I completely sympathize with children who get swept up in the fad, but I also think parents need to take a strong stance with their kids on the matter even if it means breaking off friendships or cautioning their kids about the horrors of transitioning and being on hormones for life. It is far healthier and safer to learn how to accept and grow into one's natural healthy body.
@@sterlingmartin3235 Adolescence is just hard. The entire ideology took society by storm. Unfortunately a lot of bad actors exploited the conversation, anybody questioning the matter was morally blackmailed, accused of unaliving children if they questioned the underlying rhetoric or implications of affirming care. As a consequence within two years suddenly the number of trans identifying youth absolutely exploded. Things are changing now though, even trans people are urging a cautioned and measured approach, especially when it comes to notoriously dumb and impulsive kids. The fact is most people care about and support each other but there is an undeniably nuanced value judgement when it comes to gender-affirming care, leaning away from it in all but the most extreme cases. Nobody wants to see LGB, autistic, or tomgirls who think this will make them, "normal" pushed into a medical nightmare. Admitting this doesn't come from a place of intolerance or make people hateful and I think all but the craziest ideologues agree.
Maybe it's because CBT isn't effective for gender dysphoria. No amount of CBT would have fixed my dysphoria. But bottom surgery did wonders for it.
@@jennoscura2381 I don't think anybody who has given the subject serious thought would contend gender dysphoria doesn't exist. For you this may have been the correct path. The problem is the causes of what is increasingly labeled gender dysphoria is not always best treated with surgery and hormones. Those suffering acute gender dysphoria are unquestionably confirmed less common than the prevalence of those reporting as trans-identifying. The most comprehensive scientific report to date concluding a staggering number of these people are LGB youth. Among other reasons many become fixated on transition while grappling with the realization of a non-normative sexuality, thinking, "if only I were I girl I'd be normal". That's a very different issue than gender dysphoria and the most common tune sung by detransitioners. Furthermore there are people who suffer gender dysphoria but to a degree that may not necessitate something extreme as surgical intervention. You of all people should understand the egregious nature of that particular intervention. Irrevocable severity contrasted with the possibility medical intervention may not be the correct decision is at the heart of the reasoning behind the UK's decision to pump the brakes on gender affirming care. The is a rapidly growing camp of people who have underwent these surgeries, only to later realize they were fixated on transitioning for the wrong reasons is deeply concerning. In my heart of hearts for your sake I genuinely do hope this was the correct decision for you. Would you not contend a decision like that is worth careful consideration and evaluation, to make absolutely sure someone isn't going to later regret it?
your hair is so pretty omg 🥺 you look amazing!
I admire your vulnerability and humility here. I would just like to point out that if you were 16, then yes, you were lied to. It's okay to feel you were wronged and to be angry about that. The people you got involved with always said your feelings matter, and any raw feelings you have towards those who were supposed to love you are also valid.
Your video came in on my For You page and I didn’t even recognize you! You are glowing! I have followed your journey for a few years now and I really appreciate your perspective and videos. Thanks for your vulnerability and willingness to be open about your thoughts and experiences. You are such a valuable voice in the community. Thank you!
Great insight Elle. Only I believe full brain maturation is actually between years 25-28- If neurodivergent , closer to years 28-30.
It doesn't matter what you believe. What matters is what there is evidence for.
Incorrect, full brain maturation typically occurs between 21-23 in females & between 23-25 in males.
Would you agree that if someone is too young to be able to make their own medical decisions, then they are also too young to be able to decide to join the military or get married?
Girl you literally crossed my mind earlier today 😭 I’m happy to see you though! Your videos always have such a comforting vibe. I hope that you’ve been doing well! 🥰
Side note: your hair is gorgeous!
Totally agree with you, Elle. It is total madness. Too much pressure is placed on young, vulnerable minds. No one should be exposed to this kind of bullshit.
Twelve year olds can NOT make these lifelong decisions!!! This is tragic that we are allowing this! 🤬
That's why medical and mental health professionals are involved. Not to mention the parents. Same as any other medical procedure.
Going through the wrong puberty causes irreversible damage to the body whether that puberty is natal or caused by HRT. Why are you willing to trust a cis kid’s sense of gender identity more than you trust a trans kid’s?
Ive followed you for years and WOW the change is incredible it's inspiring its almost like it never happened to you physically. Such an amazing journey
I’ve been following your journey for a while now, and I admire how brave you are, how much you’ve grown, and how strong you’ve become. It’s people like you who should go viral for all the right reasons.
As a young trans boy, I find this perspective incredibly important. I know that as much as I identify as a boy, I am still young. Videos like this help keep me aware of the very real possibility that I may regret transition, and they, along with my amazing parents, are the reason I would never medically transition at this age. I'm glad you share your perspective, and I think it's very enlightening. I wish you the best. 💙
I really hope you don't do it. You can only ever severely, irreversibly harm your body. You can never become a boy or a man. Just a masculinized girl / woman. Sex cannot be changed, and there is no such thing as being in the "wrong" body. Just certain people having a hard time accepting their bodies, for various underlying reasons. Which.. I really hope you instead choose honesty, and reality, and your health. So that instead of harming / punishing your healthy body because it's female, you instead try to get to a place of accepting that you're female! Even if you don't love it. Just.. accept it. And maybe it helps knowing that you still ARE, and always will be, whether you accept it or not..? You have been sold on a LIE that you can change or escape your sex, when actually you can't.
I also imagine ceasing to think about yourself as a "boy" might help. You are not a boy! You are a girl who dislikes being a girl! Simple as that. Female is a SEX. YOUR sex. Not an identity, or a feeling, or the state of adhering to sexist stereotypes. Which, lying to yourself about your sex..? Will only increase your unhealthy, dangerous dissociation from reality and your body, that sadly this sick and twisted culture encourages.
Wishing you all the best!! Absolutely NO hate, whatsoever. Just, I saw this comment, and it made me sad, and hit me RIGHT in the f*cking feels!! I really hate Western society for lying to young people, and presenting them with this false "escape", instead of helping them come to love and accept themselves as they are! And I hate gender ideology, and this whole evil, twisted, sexist, regressive, homophobic, despicable agenda, SO f*cking much! But I don't hate you in the slightest. I'll be rooting for you, and really hoping you choose a better path than this! Plus that you wake up and see through all the lies you've been fed! Argh, my feels. Please, take care and stay safe over there. ❤️
Regret is certainly possible. But as I understand it, genuine regret is fairly rare. Whatever you do, make sure you are well informed. Know that there are tons of ways to be trans. You don't have to medically transition to be trans. I am glad I medically transitioned. But it's not for everyone.
You are beautiful Elle!! Inside and outside but for putting all of these videos out here for all of us to learn. I’m a PMHNP and knew NOTHING about this from my recent master’s program until my child told me they think they want to transition at freshly turning 17 and being moved into the dorms immediately by the other parent. I have learned more than I ever could ask for from amazing outreach people like you. You are speaking the TRUTH
So proud of you right now.
Proud of you your voice is sounding so much better
Keep it up girl, keep spreading your words of wisdom!
Thank You for sharing this Elle- we need to listen.and respect.the testimony of detransitioners like you respectfully
I was also 16, autistic however i was a boy and thought it was the right thing and acceped the side effects, got off when i was 19 almost 20, i turned 20 and realized i don't want these irreversible changes. I even started working out to try to lessen them but it improved a bit but definitely not how it was before. I have gynocomastia that before i thought i was trans i was scared to ever get but i realized im a bit feminine in my accessories, and i accepted the changes to fit in. I realized that its not fair past me did this to myself but i do blame me with this, my older brother warned me i didn't listen and just wanted to do it more. I was thinking of getting surgery but what's the point what's done is done and ill forever live with the mistake luckily for me it's not to noticable but yea i totally agree with u that teenagers and young adults should wait. Im not saying no one should its just that its over hyped and doesn't do too much for the body but mostly negative effects if u think about it, its not good to have a hormonal imbalance, exspeshally on purpose and so extreme for years on end.
All the adults who allowed this to happen should be held accountable.
Thank you very much for your insights and earnestness
elle you look beautiful ive followed your story since the first video and just wanted to say thanks for continuing to share your life experiences
Very wise words coming from someone with experience.
Thankyou for saying it as it is.
So well articulated ♥️
Glad you are still sharing. 😊
Your voice sounds really good 😊
I 100% agree with you. And I think most people agree with you but are TERRIFIED to admit this to themselves.
Hey Elle been following you for a while it’s nice to see your face again ❤
Glad to see you back Elle ❤ there is 100% a social contagion. The “trans” fad is the next goth kid. It’s very unfortunate for people who actually suffer with gender dysphoria, because it seems like their condition is being mocked. I too am on the spectrum and people on the spectrum think differently concerning their social roles. I NEVER felt like other girls, ever, and I still don’t. But I figured out that I am still a woman even if I’m a different kind 😉 we sound like kindred spirits tbh. Much love to you!
P.S I fully fully agree that kids should not transition due to your research and experience!
If you find it so unfortunate that your friends lean left, why are you still friends with them?
I really like your differiantied view on this!
I've been listening to you for awhile. Your sounding better then ever. Thanks for sharing. I wish my neice could hear you
"outside their natal sex'.....I love that term
You've really evolved a lot in the past few years. I remember your first few videos... Your argument against transition has matured. I agree a lot of transition is likely socially driven (sure a tiny number may have real dysphoria like Blaire claims) and children are certainly not old enough to consent.
Your voice is a force for good. Thank you 🙏👍😎
Came here wondering who the pretty lady talking about console modding in James' comments was, and instead I found someone intellectually articulating a lot of weird underlying disquiet I've been feeling. I'm not trans, never thought I could be despite some natural fem presentation and occasional misgendering, but I have friends that I worry about. I want to do the right thing by them. This video has seriously helped me form that disquiet into something I can express.
why thank you, you just made my day. always happy when i can make someone think.
@@ellepalmer You're doing good work here. I don't think it'll pay off, but it's still good work.
@@Trygonthat’s why i dont do political activism, lol. im fine in my corner of the internet talking to like minded people. i dont have much faith in being super public with government advocacy
What i like about your monologues is that you sound truthful. You are speaking your truth, and despite being quite liberal, I appreciate that.
thank you
Thank you for this info. What about mentally vulnerable adults who are over the age of 25 who have autism, other disorders, or mental health issues?
I am autistic. We are capable of making decisions. I made the decision to medically transition and get bottom surgery. I am very glad that I did that.
Autistic adults should be treated like autistic adults not children. Just because I have some difficulties and deficits doesn't mean I wasn't capable of consenting to medical transition.
19:42 - YES YES YES!!! Brain development is EVERYTHING. Thank you Elle
Those locks are luscious and long❤️ Looking beautiful
Thank you! From what I've understood, I think some are very informed before physical alterations, and some are not. I do think that a combination of lies, withheld information, pressure and other manipulations also often do occur. But I agree with you, even if every teenager was well informed, we have to acknowledge that they still don't have the capacity to realistically assess how the future would be after alterations also not to foresee what it would actually mean to live with in the long run.
Even if every kid was well informed, they still don't have the true capacity to concent.
You could say that about any medical procedure. But for some strange reason people only want to focus on transition and not other medical procedures.
You're such a lovely person i like you 💗
Elle, your perspective is so important.
I think as you get older and as your perspective continues to develop your voice will become ever more important.
Moving forward, you can become a wider force for good. You will become one of the leading advocates for the upcoming generations.
Either start your own organisation or join forces with an already established one. Help to spread the word and education.
You look great!
Elle, to get a definitive diagnosis of being on the autism spectrum, you should go to a neuropsychologist. They will take a detailed history from you (or your parents), and do some diagnostic tests. Those being tests on paper, not blood or instruments. Autism is no longer a diagnosis. There is classical autism which are the people who are unable to speak, or interact with the world around them. And other than that there is a spectrum of small diagnoses, that together make a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder. These smaller diagnoses would be something along the lines of sensory issues, auditory sensitivity, difficulty making transitions, lack of empathy, lack of insight into other people, difficulty making eye contact with other people, difficulty with communication, and so on. You can have any number of these issues and not qualify as being on the autism spectrum.
Yep. My autism was diagnosed by a neuropsych. Who also diagnosed my trans.
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Well said, Elle!
If I believe I have diabetes (and I don't) and a doctor prescribe me insulin, who is responsable for the damage in my health? Or I have heart condition and the doctor send me to a neuropsychiatrist to treat me for anxiety or he sends me for a heart surgery (I don't need), can you say that I am to be blamed for the ill effect of the unnecessary and wrong treatments or the lack of the right treatment? As victims (I classify myself in this category), we want to blame ourself, to gain a form of control on our life. We think "If I did X, Y and Z, this would not have happened. From now on, I will do X, Y and Z and I will be safe". It is a rationalization. The reality is bad things happens and will happen. We will make bad choices and we are not safe. People will hurt us. The only thing we can aim is to learn from our mistakes and forgive ourself for the wrong turns our life took and get better to protect ourselves. In my life I have seen a number of misdiagnosis and medical errors, which are far from infrequent. In my mind, you are innocent and a victim of affirmed care practices. Whishing you the best for your life 🌷.
I came here from Blaire's interview with you 4 years ago, your voice raised up.
Keep your head up, Elle. Not your fault. Just Recover !
Elle you are 100% correct. No way can kids make this type of decision. When we're young we want things right now and never think about tomorrow. I wouldn't let my kids get tattoos or piercings except for ears for this very reason. My friend has a tattoo, or a tongue ring, or yes want to be transgender. I'm not anti any of this but I feel that you should be an adult before making irreversible changes. Thank you for sharing 😊
thank you ...... thank you .... thank you .... this is not an isolated event. There is something going on here with so many kids thinking like this
You look so pretty ❤
I was super introverted through college, didn’t date at all, maybe low grade autism too, so not in danger of social contagion. OTOH, online was much more limited, 1980s, dial up! Once I for example pretended to be my sister and it is interesting to create a persona and not know if it is credible.
But if trans existed online, perhaps I could imagine being a boring girl as well as a boring boy. I didn’t see the difference. I accepted I was male, but idea of being a man seemed a claim of higher order. Maybe I felt androgynous or asexual in social presentation anyway.
I didn’t like my male sex drive, attracted to girls from a distance, but no imagination to act on it, so if I could call myself non-binary, suppress T, I could see that, even if I told no one. I’d not want to do anything to gain social attention.
Must be many ways to be caught by the cult. I’m sad for kids now.
Thanks for speaking up!
I must be missing your schedule but your voice sounds more female again and your hair has gotten so long. You look beautiful!
OMG your hair 😍
Great video by the way. I could listen to you for hours.
This is really interesting. I think children thinking about identity is a positive thing…I think being introspective and investigating and asking yourSelf if or why you like something is integral to figuring out who you are truly. We DO largely just accept what’s given to us without even blinking whether it’s gender or religion. You said at 10;18 “ we’ve never had to think about that before” as if it’s a bad thing. Why do you perceive that as negative?
could you talk about your experiences with autism?
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You look so youthful and beautiful ❤️
Stay strong. Your story matters.
No hormone should be given to a teenager without consulting for autism.
You look amazing
If you didn’t understand this stuff, why did they give you hormones? That’s a failure on the provider.
16 year olds, and many teens much older, have usually not completely developed brain maturity yet and the logical pre-frontal cortex has yet to completely sync with the emotional part of the brain. It is a growth and structural issue. Is it any wonder that many, many young females bombarded by Trans ideology on line and in peer groups and media and often with other mental health issues that have not been treated become confused about their sex and believe that any sort of feeling of alienation or difference can be attributed to "being Trans". It is unreasonable for anyone to judge a young teen brain for reacting emotionally and acting sometimes impulsively when surrounded by propaganda about "being born in the wrong body" when no one ever is "born wrong"!! When teens are suffering, they need help, and mental health issues need treatment before anything else can be fairly addressed. NONE of this is your fault! Even at 25-26 the brain is still growing. Yes social contagion and ideology is a lot of this phenom. of young teen girls "becoming Trans". At the very least, assessment for mental health issues other than g.d. needs to be done to ensure many don't mistakenly transition medically in order to deal with the other issues that may make them feel "different". It is actually a wonder more teens don't fall into this trap given the climate and indoctrination in this ideology. Nothing against adults without other mental health issues who find transition helpful living their lives as they see fit, but brain maturity is a huge part of teens falling into this and regretting it.
I wish more parents could see your video.
19:00 People come to regret tattoos that they once got when they were younger, and that's far less permanent that irreversible surgeries and voice deepening, to name some of the outcomes of transitioning too early.
I have different experiences from you. I am a couple years older and I have been on HRT since 2016. I first came out at the age you began your transition. I always had a sense of myself as gender-diverse before I knew there was anyone like me, and I came out as bisexual before anything, soon seeking out my high school’s GSA for that cause. I found a lot of camaraderie and refuge there. I also think transition is different for males than for females, and I think there is a biological basis for this, as, if transness has a biological basis that can be traced congenitally, then mtf transsexuals undesirably virilized in utero whereas ftm transsexuals would have had to not virilize enough. There are from what I can tell magnitudes more ftmtf detransitioners than mtftm ones. Female is the default state of a fetus in utero unless an SRY gene is present, so it makes sense that mtf transsexuals find it much more consistently rewarding and restorative to transition, while ftm transsexuals are more likely to desist against it as masculinization masks and alters the body more than feminization does. This is also why it is harder to pass as mtf, and perhaps more traumatizing (save for breast growth) for an mtf patient to go through male puberty. To me though, as far as minors transitioning, a recent video by Julia Malott clarifies it rather well, that forbidding genuinely transgender teenagers from transitioning their bodies - namely the mtf transsexuals imo - will lead to trauma. It is much harder to restore a virilized body to female than to build a feminized body into male, unless done early. The notion of twelve-year-olds knowing themselves stably and transitioning is to me not the core and a sort of unintended dogwhistle, as most cases of juveniles transitioning are aged 15 to 17. I would have transitioned sooner if I could; I have had rage-filled anguish at my voice and virilization (namely for my voice) that began then and has largely subsided, but still maintains some residue. It can be infuriating and disillusioning living in a body that feels beyond you. I don’t feel that I transitioned out of others’ influence. I sought out that community. And in the end I’m largely on my own anyway. I sought out likemindeds because I needed further insight and I needed others who related. And I spent a long time in gendered limbo before going the distance to actually transition. I was 19 when I finally took the plunge. I am now 27. Even amid all I’ve been through, being able to live in a body that mostly matches my disposition and self-concept has been such a blessing. I feel that ftms are more likely to detransition though, and I feel that warrants caution.
It is a disaster to try to create a pseudovagina with the small amount of penile tissue available after puberty blockade. See Jazz Jennings.
Take responsibility , choose your friends. and get on with life.
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do you think it’s possible that some kids can know (they have a more solid sense of identity) while other kids can’t? because there’s some trans kids who grow up as adults with no regrets in transitioning, but then ofc there’s people like you who realize it wasn’t for them.
Who knows what it feels like to be the opposite sex? There is literally no way to know, much less to gauge whether your identity somehow matches a state which is inherently unknowable.
I was under the impression that this is true, because I know trans people who say they've known since they were little, and I thought detransition rates were pretty low
For those kids who do know, they should still wait until they are adults to medically transition.
:( im so sorry
Is there any research on this social contagion theory? I keep hearing people arguing that all of the research backing mental health benefits from transition isn't high enough quality to count, but why should I believe the same people that we can just assume trans to be a social contagion when the best piece of "research" in favour of that was a survey of gender-critical parents guessing
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If someone has to say “you can trust me as a source” then they might not be the best source. Yikes!
Who would you rather believe, the preacher, telling you there is hell for sinners, or his abuse-victims doubting the preacher's believe in hell?
I wanted hormones when I was 15 and everyday till I got them at 65, why so late didn't know I could get them that early and thought I'd end in a rubber room, but I was wrong.
WOW why would you ever want to be a guy is insane you're incredibly gorgeous as a woman . ❤ Be still my heart
If you need any post-abortive healing help, let me know. I live in Seattle.
it goes both ways. Poor education of medical professionals and lack of funding/research regarding issues of gender dysphoria hurts both trans people and cis people/detrans people.
the pain detransitoners go through is real, but it is in no way more hurtful than the pain of a trans person who is denied transition. I think too many people conflate being detransitioned with "seeing it from both sides" but that unfortunately cannot be proven and isn't really logically valid.
Gender Dysphoria CAN be a symptom/consequence of something other than actually being transgender, but that does not mean it ALWAYS is.
Is the pain of someone unable to transition worse than the pain of unattractive people, wishing they were beautiful?
clinically, speaking yes. but body dysphoria can cause similar levels of pain, as both pain and pain tolerance are relative and individualized, both require treatment to ease said pains, just different ones. @@animageofgod
When I was seven I wanted to be a pirate. I glad my parents didn’t let me get the hook and eyeball removal surgery.
Wooow you are so smart for making that comparison!! So so smart
Have you heard of Autoandrophilia? It's how I am, maybe it's part of you too :)
It's interesting how the trans movement operates much like a religion. In religion, when your faith gets deconstructed the fault always lies with you. Nobody cares about what it was about the religion or faith that caused you to lose it. I am an atheist and I can't tell you how many times I was told that I was never a true Christian to begin with, or that I left the faith because of my ignorance. There was always blame. And the love and acceptance only applies if you're a part of the cult.
Wow your skin looks better and you’ve lost a lot of weight
10:52 you're turning into Blair White 😂😭
... except she doesn't invite herself into wrong-sex bathrooms, demand wrong-sex pronouns, and Elle STOPPED needlessly poisoning herself with pharma-hormones, for no evidence-based reason, while Blair is STILL poisoning himself, because he can't face the evidence-based truth, that he's a feminine, gay man.
Blair seems like a nice person, but with a DEEPLY confused, self-contradictory belief system.
Blair's own identity is built on the EXACT same foundation ("but I totes FEEL like a woman!!"), as Tiktok blue-hairs he acts so superior to.
Except he's a feminine, gay man that just can't accept it, so sad and he still uses the hormones and u have to accept him as a woman because he looks like it. That's his argument not mine, if u payed attention that's all he ever says
That's why it should not been permited for a 16 years old to get testosterone. Doctor should say NO
Beautiful girl, voice is feminine and fine.
I thinks she's not in a good place atm. Looks drugged out
Is your name laurel or elle?
I'm really sorry this happened to you it breaks my heart photos of remember that restart this an elementary in preschool the woke cult Sesame Street woke cult the rainbow Flags everywhere I'm sorry you had to grow up in this time but you are a beautiful girl don't forget that❤❤❤ I am dyslexic I hope this works well
what they are doing to the young generation it is a crime!
Block all the negative comments Sweetie. Believe me, you only need a support group, not a bitch group. Every different podcast I follow, no matter what the topic has negative comments. Some people thrive on negativity.
Really hard to relate to this having been trans for the past few decades. Half of them alone in the closet. (trans wasn't a thing that was known back when I was young). Pretty sure I wasn't "talked in to it" as I knew no one who was the same and it wasn't talked about at all, anywhere. Kind of sad if it has become some sort of fad nowadays. I think rigorous investigations are required for any person planning to start HRT. Even more so if that person is very young. But it absolutely should not be denied either. Because trans people exist. Real trans people that are not in it because of social pressure.
Idk if it’s because perhaps you’re still struggling with your own identity; But, i fail to see how kids taking time to make sure they’re being respectful to the person they’re talking to (by asking their pronouns) is a problem? The world is always changing and humanity learns and grows along with it.
Thank you for sharing your perspectives Elle. I believe you are over generalizing regarding pre-adults making a wrong decision to transition their gender. I still believe you are deliberately focusing on a small subset while paying far less attention to those who, decades later, say that their early transition was the best decision they ever made and that they wished they began physical transition at an earlier age. People can later regret the path that they took but that doesn't equate to them being 'stupid.' Virtually all dictators believed that they were creating a better society for their people. Most people don't think of that aspect of people's belief in themselves. You, like me, are likely on the autism spectrum. One of our characteristics is our obsessions. It has been shown that there is a higher rate of high-functioning autism among the transgender community. I see my obsessions as a blessing as well as being hindering at times. It allowed you to dig deeply into the consequences of transition, such as looking at technical studies.
You've developed a following of many who have politically linked beliefs against pre-adult transition. I've looked a bit into that effort and notice many of they employ propaganda that cleverly leaves out many important details, in their quest to urge others to adopt their pre-existing prejudices. They never mention the many successful transitioners who knew that there was something very wrong with the natal gender that they were assigned at birth, as early as age three. That their parents noticed it as well in their child's behaviors. The anti-child transition forces fail to mention other signs of the self-hate found in many pre-adult transitions, such as self-harm cutting of themselves. They make no effort in pointing out the large group of people who regard their early transition as the best decision that they ever made, decades after beginning their early physical transition. I've found that the vast majority of the anti-trans community come from a background of never having any transition friends, or even acquaintances. They just know that they are right, from immersing themselves in data sources that reinforce what they prefer to believe in.
I wish I could engage on our Twitter (X) channel but I chose to suspend my account the day after Elon took over the platform.
I'm glad you are keeping an open mind on the many sides of this story and I'm glad to know that you've moved to a community that embraces a wide spectrum of views. I wish you the best in your career and in your activism. I agree that there is a small segment of early transitioners who are erroneously driven by social pressure and a desire to be fashionable.
Therapy has never been about ‘affirming’ your delusions. We go to therapy to say ‘i have a problem, help me get out of it’ not ‘im thinking this tell me im right.’ But gender therapy just tells you that your delusions are right
Elle I am 65 years old, and very involved in this massive topic. I think you drew conclusions that had holes in them for sure. I don't have the energy to explain what I mean. Sorry.
One thing stood out to me , and that was that you went and told your mother about testosterone and she Never said anything, for it or against it. At least in what you shared with us in this video. My question would be where are the good parents now? I had absolutely abusive traumatic.
Parents, so maybe you did not have parents that would have Told you and showed you and took you to a gender therapist to explore more deeply, then Simply, I want a deeper voice. Come on, that is way too simplistic. And you didn't share at all That your mother had anything to say about your decision at sixteen years old. Now let me Say that I absolutely agree with you. Nobody under the age of 18 should be able to have this transition or begin making a medical translation. know I listen to Detransitioners I listen to people of all Different kinds. And I really like the people like Buck angel, Who are sick of these people that are insisting that they are trans when it's a dude with stubble everywhere, wearing lipstick and a dress. Now he's not called a cross dresser. He insists he is a woman. This kind of crap pisses me off. I mean enough already and also with the pronouns. You know I'm not gonna sit here and ask every person How do you want me to refer to you? No, sorry it's too much already and I'm not going to bend over backwards to please Some entitled idiot because they think they have a right to yell at people and tell people that they're insensitive and all this kind of thing. Now, when I was young, I was a tomboy and when I say a tomboy, I mean I passed as a young boy. I would steal my brothers clothes. I passed as a young boy.
And I was a tomboy. My narcissistic, crazy mother took me to a gender clinic to have my sexchanged at 9 years old as a punishment for me. Wearing boy's clothes. Now the interesting thing is thank God i'm not a tomboy now, who knows what I'd be.
I changed when I got my first boyfriend. It just fell away. I liked being a girl. Anyway it's all gone insane. Blame could fall on many many factors. BTW Elle, what does Autism have anything to do with any of this? What makes you think you have Autism, that must be quite interesting.
I’m concerned that young trans boyfriend may later regret the testosterone. Do you still have chest hair and chin hair?
I'm sorry but I've got to disagree with you pretty strongly, you even directly contradict yourself when you point to the omission of how teenagers are influenced by their surroundings. You absolutely *were* lied to, I've listened to enough detransitioners to know this is a very common complaint in the process.
Terms like "gender affirming" and "assigned sex" ARE lies. Doctors that are more concerned with avoiding the hornet's nest, telling vulnerable people it "isnt their place to question how you identify" ARE lying.
You *wanted* these things because they were framed to you as a solution for a problem you were lied to about.
The entire context about the trans debate is rife with lying, in the uk we finally *just* managed to pull the rug out from under puberty blockers as a treatment option because guess what, activists were lying constantly for the last decade about their effects.
You cannot claim to have an informed choice when you weren't informed, and you were not informed, not honestly, not fully, not with *your* individual interests at heart.
I was just about to ask if you think that you are on the spectrum.