EQS 580 | Not the Electric Mercedes We Wanted - Two Takes
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
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The Mercedes EQS is the first of a whole line of fully electric sedans and crossovers from the German automaker. On the surface, it has all the goods - powerful dual motors, a long-range battery, and an entire dashboard made of LCD screens. But in a lot of other ways, it misses the mark for what we're wanting from a German EV.
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Intro
7:51 - The drive
15:28 - Weird brakes
21:20 - Conclusion
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The EQS 580 Is Not the Electric Mercedes We Hoped For - Two Takes
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Holy shit that Toto impression was on point hahaha
That was so not right.
as an Austrian i don't think it was that good from the accent but it was still pretty funny
@Xenia © Omugly we know you use bots from saudi arabia.. get a real hobby
@@Benjamin15151515 that settles it: I'm moving in with you in order to study. - Zack
@@Benjamin15151515 as an American, I can confirm this is what all Austrians and German’s sound like.
Ha Ha, Toto killed it. My neighbor seems happy with his, I haven't had a chance to drive his yet but it is nice, I like it. I have an S-Class and I can't say I would change that for this but an actual electric S-Class would be very nice. It's interesting that you compared it to a CLS because that's what his EQS replaced, a CLS AMG. If I were to go out and buy an electric car right now I would probably lean towards the e-Tron GT, that thing looks mean.
Curious to hear your (and your neighbor's) thoughts about the elusive brake pedal. Respond back here when you drive it.
@@TheSmokingTire If redesigning the brake pedal, I always thought that including a detent somewhere mid-travel to indicate the end of regen and the start of friction braking would make the most sense. The current trend of fixed regen braking levels make as much sense to me as fixed steering increments or fixed throttle levels. There is already a pedal for stopping, so why not task it with modulating all forms of braking? By avoiding the detent and friction brakes, you could learn to drive in the most efficient manner. You'd also retain the ability to coast and not need to constantly keep your foot controlling the throttle pedal outside of cruise control.
The looks are there for sure, but the fact they screwed up the chance to make it ride like silk is the real letdown. Someone probably cooked the brakes, when Zack slammed on them, that’s obvious they are glazed BADLY.
EV acceleration is turned down for comfort no doubt, 600+ lb.ft is still no joke but they are completely out klassed here in every way except the perception of interior durability.
hol up. a cls63 for an eqs? what kinda crack y’all got over there
@@TheSmokingTire I drove one for a day and loved it. Brake pedal was perfectly normal. My own cars are a 2019 G550 and a 2019 AMG GTC. So I’m familiar with how a brake pedal should feel ;)
Dear Mercedes, If I wanted a car that looked like a Buick, I’d buy a Buick.
Fucking lame ass take
This one is a huge flop for sure.. minimal sales.
@@dertythegrower I've actually seen 5-6 so far in CT. Baffled every time. They're not selling awfully
Most electric car buyers want a car that looks like an electric car.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That thing is so quiet! You both sounded so clear while y’all were at speed. No noticeable road noise.
Love the F1 talk at the start. That Toto impression had me rolling. Especially the Horner comment haha.
Definitely not an S-class in any stretch of the imagination, in my mind at least. The styling lacks all the grace of the S-class. Why not just make an electric S-class? Seems more sensible, less R&D, no need to include yet ANOTHER model in the portfolio (as if Mercedes needs any more models).
That said, it’s Infinitely better than a Tesla. This car will actually feel like you spent $100,000.
The answer is drag coefficient. S class is not suited for EV in that regard
Because an S class cannot fit enough batteries to give it more than a 50 mile range. Futhermore, its drag coefficient, which happens to be a huge factor in highway speed range efficiency, is like a brick in comparison.
“Efficiency”… it’s an almost 6000lbs pig, how about working on that first. Come on, you guys have to come up with a better one than that. No one interested in an S-class will cross-shop with this thing. Yet another model added to the ever growing portfolio of Mercedes models that don’t sell well.
Not that I like it, but BMW successfully created a fully electric 7 series. Don’t tell me Mercedes could not do the same with the S-class.
@@Divine_Serpent_Geh Can't educate fanboys.
Looks like a A or C class at best
The drop in at 7:20 really got me. Lol
Glad someone caught it!
Frightening brakes and weird ride? It’s insane that this made it production with such fundamental flaws when the S-class is so superb. And the styling? Oh lord.
It made it to production because all the comments are BS
Pricing of these seems excessive for what it is. The EQE seems even worse however, a mid spec one in the UK with sub 300bhp is £85,000 which is more than a decent spec Taycan utter madness!
I've driven the Taycan. It's terriffic! But for me in California, the 225mile real world range makes it a non starter as a choice. High voltage charging stations are scarce here (when they work) Really Tesla is the only choice here if you actually like going someplace in your GT. I'm afraid it's going to remain this way for sometime.
Don’t forget they also have crazy mark ups
@@jrocxzs Mark-ups isn't really an issue in the UK (if buying new anyway...)
@@gregmcable +1. .. Tesla has a decade head start in the number of charge stations and pick of the location litter. . Tesla charger locations is to the power of 10 above all EV comers; VW/Audi/Porsche, MB, Lucid, and the rest. . An informed EV buyer will have thought charging / locations through. .... What's that time-honored line? .. "Its the Charger Locations Stupid"
Guys the brakes you describe are how the car is. We got an EQS 580 at my Porsche dealer and that was the stand out “What were they thinking” aspect. It wasn’t from track testing. That’s how they are. It’s insane.
Hey guys, love your videos. I am a Taycan owner. I have to say that the Taycan has the same "issue" with the variable brake pedal during regen. However, it is much less noticeable because Taycans have no regen paddles. But when using the adaptive cruise control or regen button, it is definitely there. So you are calling out a trend in German EVs broadly - not just the EQS.
Thanks for doing the luxury ev breakdown at the end. It helps put the vehicle you are reviewing into context for me.
I don't have six friends.
I got you buddy
Is it just me or do a lot of the touch screen buttons look early 2000s Windows media player
It's a direct evolution Microsoft Origami Experience 2.0 from 2008.
Looks like outdated first generation touch screen gui
Just bought the entry level 450+ amg line without the hyperscreen. All i can say is i have 0 regrets. Ultinately people need to understand that buying a car is so subjective. To be honest i do not give a darn abt speed and honestly i felt that even with the single motor its faster den a regular s class as i own the s320 as well. My purpose was a confortable luxury family car and this beast did more than that imo. Seats were so comfortable and futuristic as i got the cream color. Changed my wheels to the 21 inch ones and grille to the eqs 53 grille which made it look sportier. Ride was so smooth comfortable and honestly i am not a v8 engine kinda guy either. And tbh being one of the first few to drive it in my country i get head turns everywhere i go. The build quality on my car was near perfection unlike the tesla which has loose ends everywhere and taycan which very oftenly breaks down the latter especially. So ultimately its perspective =) the porshe taycan / etron gts / tesla / bmw were all in my cards when i test drive to find a new ev and honestly none of them could compare to the comfort and experience the eqs could give. Well maybe the bmw ix could but even so the price is way pricier and seats still are not as comfy. Well if you are a family guy or someone who prefers comfort and luxury over speed this wins any sport brands hands down. U can fit 3 strollers in the boot =). A surf board if you want as well. But if you are a taycan kind of guy well obviously look elsewhere =)
“Like a hobo chasing a train.” You guys had me cracking up!!!!
Wow that Toto impression was spot on! A good way to start the video!
That TOTO impression was flawless!!! Immediately liked the video!! 😂😂😂
Wow guys what an amazing review, you nailed it completely
The passenger side screen being able to type in the address for the car's nav is brilliant. I hope to see this in more vehicles soon.
Although Apple Carplsy does all that and more and you don’t type your destination in, you apeak it. All the manufacturers bundle their mediocre, soon to be dated Navi with things you actually want forcing you to get something that , in my case, I never use. Infuriating.
That impression was great lol. Well done Zachary
"where are these trucks going?" "The aquaduct." "The Aquaduct? Why are these trucks going to a horse racing track?" "Not that Aquaduct! THIS aquaduct!"
Rear Steering clarification: In the US, the car was origionally supposed to come with 4.5 degree standard and 10 degree optinal, and some of the first thousand or so pilot build cars only have the 4.5 degree (some seem to not have any at all) but they decided 10 degree would be standard, along with ventiullated seats, before regualar production started but after some of those early builds had already been built. So yeah, a little odd. If your vin ends 2000 or later, you almost certainly have 10 degree, but a decent chunk of the less then 2000, especially less then 1000 vins have 4.5 degree, and a few of them even have a $1300 credit for said missing standard.
I don’t think that is correct. I have driven several sub 1000 VINs and they all have 10 degree steering as standard equipment.
@@Snoetzel87 Many had it, but I've seen probably a dozen with vins up to 1500 that have on the build sheet 4.5 degree rear steering and at least two with code D9C missing standard rear axel steering
I thought the braking was fine (and my dailies are ‘19 G550 and AMG GTC). But, I didn’t change the regen. This is a car for my Dad and he hates regen. He wants the same brake feel as he’s been used to, and that’s what the EQS provided. I am glad that regen is not mandatory.
😂😂 That’s a great impression!
Don’t think I’ve ever heard a Toto impression but that was a really good one haha
the jeremy irons impression was gold hahaha
Thats a great Toto! 😊.
The car, I’d rather have a production version of the later aero-concept they just did.
Zach’s Toto impression is amazing, how much do we have to pay to get a full Toto TST podcast
as a fan of mb i’m glad when they swing and miss. the whole brand is changing so quickly it’s becoming meh.
The Toto intro is an obligation for Benz products, for forever now Zach. FOREVER (Sandlot meme here).
Lmfao couldn’t stop laughing Toto was a great addition to the team 🤣
Thx Toto!!
A motoring journalist here in the UK actually phoned Mercedes when testing this car as he thought the brakes were faulty and dangerous after almost having an accident!!
Interesting. I’ve a EQC400 for a couple of months and I too felt the brakes were too weak. However regen braking was really strong, and it did go to D double minus not just single minus.
All i’m hearing is just buy a regular S-Class..this EQ experiment at Mercedes seems a bit rushed and confusing
@Justinian Yi 100%
Awesome Toto impression! You even got his very serious face exactly!
Jeremy Irons reference was awesome.
Toto Zack is awesome 🤩 need more of that plz!
The Hyperscreen is standard on the EQS 580.
Commenting for the algorithm. Nice work, y'all.
Damn! That Toto impersonation was hilarious! I just finished watching an F1 3rd day video too
Surely very competent. But nothing I would look back to after locking ...
Nice professional reviews.
This car is going to lack in sales, for sure.
Haha the Toto bits were great
My neighbor got one of these weird looking jelly beans 🤣 it’s an odd thing.
21:48 Those touch screens are so sluggish. Even my Galaxy S4 from about 10 years ago was so much more responsive than the flagship mercedes from 2022. How is this acceptable?
When the car is in "Eco" mode, the controls become sluggish due in part to the battery saving code most of the onboard systems are running. Once back in normal operating modes, the response times of the touch screens are actually quite impressive.
@@Danlovestrivium Even if this is true, it's still unacceptable.
I can put my 10 year old smartpone in battery saving mode and it's not sluggish.
@@MrTimAway Honestly, I just completely made all of that up.
Because they are forced to build them to withstand exposure that a smartphone wouldn't, Tesla's is good enough because they skirt these regs
@@coreygolphenee9633 A smartphone is exposed to much more abuse than a screen installed into the dashboard, as it's being pulled out of the pocket 100 times a day, dropped and so on. Also, car manufacturers could make screens as sturdy as they like, because unlike a phone, those screens don't need to be either slim or lightweight.
Lastly, why would any of this even be relevant with regards to the performance and responsiveness of the system? Again, it's completely unacceptable that these screens are so sluggish.
That interior is Heinous
Just wondering if we will care as much about 0-60 as every EV/SUV grocery-getter to come does it in 5 seconds? Do you currently enter into launch mode to get the drop on the ‘91 Civic (with Pep Boys wing) in the other lane? EV’s raise all kinds of unexpected questions.
The thumbnail is hilarious. Your expression looks like you had an authority figure forcing you to smile for a Sunday school picture
One way to NOT start off a car show “our car is slow” lmao
Imitations were spot on. LoLed
00:20 😅 I don't think we're still in Kansans!🏁
Love the vincero watch
This intro though LOL
The air ride reminds me of 2006 530xi wagon hahahah
It’s just so weird seeing you two do a road test with no exhaust note, or any shifting, absolutely no driving engagement with a electrical Car, I’m sorry you Tree Huggers, but nothing can replace the sweet sound of a internal conversion engine. The Fiesta Flash. 🤙🏼🍺🍺🍺
I'm here, full throttle!
Johnny Smith (check out ‘The Late Break Show’ on UA-cam) said that he almost called Mercedes to inquire whether the brakes were broken.
God forbid you need to replace one of the 3 screens at some point 😂
Oh man. That steering wheel position issue is an killer. I’m only 5’10” and yet the steering wheel blocks the gauges in almost every car I drive. I live with it, but at least they don’t bitch at me every 20 minutes for obscuring the tech.
Is the idea with the brake pedal that the first bit of travel is the regen, whether or not you have 1 pedal turned on? So strange.
Perfect Toto Impression… someone should do a deep fake video of him in the passenger seat 😂
Toto you Did quite well in your video
Saw one of these yesterday
I think the EQS SUV is going to be the one to buy at this price point. The whole reason to buy an S-class over an E-class is the rear seat. The SUV fixes that problem.
Not the first review to say the brakes are terrible. Don't think it's that particular car.
Also not the first to complain about the terrible ride quality. They probably released it before it was ready to keep their fleet's gas mileage figures in compliance with Euro/USA regs. So just another throwaway EV whereas the Tesla/Rivian/Lucid and Chinese makers are actually innovating.
I wonder why so many people lean so far back while driving, it's why they cant see all they want of the display and you see less of the road, more of the sky, and ultimately driving with almost stretched arms gives less control. Fail!
I was getting this based off the concept which it looks nothing like.
The drive is nice, interior looks better in photos than in real life, quality isn't there on interior materials
Hey Matt, I have some questions about your car storage.
A toy from an angry toddler launching a hot wheel from the back will spell doom for that gorgeous screen
This is why one should always send one's children away to school to be raised until they are 18.
@@TheSmokingTire I suppose that is something I would be able to afford in the same world in which I could afford an eqs
So you have 6 or possibilities for user profiles (which you will never use), you can set everything and save it for the profile but you have to set up regen every time again... what is there left to say?
That's because of the regulations mate. The Mercedes engineer said it. Blame it on NHTSA
@@Ramkumar-cn7cx is there a source for that?
@@neohimself tough to find a source for regulation. But you can see the video in autogefühl YT channel in the video EQE 350+ first drive review which was driven in USA ! He drives with a Merc engineer there and he explains it.
@@Ramkumar-cn7cx thats fine by me... thanks
Interesting comment on the driver warning; could it be your seating position? From everything I was taught you look far away from the steering wheel and somewhat low. I believe you're supposed to sit close enough to be able to rest your wrist on the top of the steering wheel at a light stretch, and adjust height until your eyeline is around the mid point of the windscreen.
I'm sure you'll say you're comfortable as you are, but you'll get used to however you sit over time...
Yes. His position is a problem. He sits too far back and that's why he gets the warning
No wrong. It is height adjustable. You have go to the quick settings to access it.
My 2006 R class had the moving brake pedal when cruise control is on . It's creepy.
Zack should review EVERY Mercedes review as Toto
@12:20 it just seems like a lot of NPC trucks lol
Lol I love the part “on the other hand a positive is there is great storage”. Important, but yikes seems like they really missed the mark. Start to sound more and more like a really expensive minivan as the review went on.
Lucid manages a 280 liter frunk right on top a 600 hp front motor in a 25 cm shorter car, Merc gives you none even in a RWD car. And NOT EVER a heat pump, so winter range is the worst relative to EPA/WLTP of any brand.
Sadly the Lucid Air somehow has to have a silly letterbox sedan boot. Which customer ever wants that over a lift gate or estate boot? And no wagon version for ANY of the EVs out there of course.
No heat pump? That is a deal breaker and incredible, Mercedes relies on fools buying their cars just for the badge.
Lucid has an extremely wide boot to make up for the lack of height
There’s the Taycan CrossTursmo which is almost a proper wagon
Lucid has their own (i believe patented) motor and diff setup that is very compact.
H-m-m-m-m. Have owned & driven many luxury brands over my life. Love @ first sight on the EQS! Purchased the EQS580 and must affirm (like all of the new tech cars) you need to use it, spend the time understanding it & in my opinion you will be a pleased motorist. After 4 other EVs from Tesla Model 3 & Model Y’s to Genesis GV60 this car is wow!
In your commentary, at least compare it to the Model S which is lacking in many ways to this car. Tesla has great tech, super-charging, but after that still not upper level luxury.
EQS580 has the speed if you need it, the ride comfort & quiet interior with many standard features is superior to many other brands I have demoed. Price, not in my budget….CPO Mercedes most definitely is!
Braking has not been an issue in any mode from no regenerative to strong to all versions of regenerative.
Hey Mercedes has been exceptional & their beta AI IS REALLY A HOOT.
Just another view point, but realize that like most reviewers, your job is to (in a short use case) to describe issues before longer use.
The steering wheel adjustment warning might be why Tesla made that knight rider steering wheel? So the top won't obstruct the sensors, no matter the wheel height.
Does a Tesla even use sensors like the Mercedes?
Does the manufacturer service and maintain the press car to make sure everything is up to par after thousands of miles of getting beat on?
Unacceptable from a high end Merc EV. You would think they built a budget/discount EV with all thats wrong with it, sadly not the case.
This thing looks like the bar of soap in my bathroom, very good Cd.
The Mercedes rides like a 1963 Lincoln continental.
Wrong in so many ways🙄
what watch is matt wearing? gorgeous piece
Looks like a gold Rolex yachtmaster.
If I was buying a big 100k + EV the Taycan Cross Tourismo is my pick followed by a Lucid Air and then a E-tron GT.
That Mercedes is so darn UGHLY on the outside. Looks just like a large Toyota Corolla or Hyundai.
Is it faster than the gas version of this at near the same price? Yes? Than it isn't slow for its price
Oh my god Zach the intro rofl
Love the Toto, but we need more of his Gunther. It's spot the fuck on.
So Toto has perfected reverse-aging process it seems.
Wonder what's next ~
if its not adjustable or auto-adjusting, i bet those airbags are just some economies of scale thing.
Not sure that i was expecting 50% of the review being the touchscreen. Definetly not in the smoking tyre channel :)
Well the car itself is 50% touchscreen.
The upcoming BMW i7 is going to embarrass this car. Seems like MB missed the mark on this one, which I really wouldn't have expected them to do, especially in this segment.
Thats a very quiet in-car video
The dashboard reflection on the windshield was the worst I’ve ever seen!
Why is the headliner in this thing shiny? Imagine that at night.
Me, poor as hell living in farm country: "oh my god, they messed up the driver awareness cameras. Fools. Those Mercedes fools!"
Matt knows! This is totally a CLS. It's just called an S-Class because it was the "first". That's disappointing, because the CLS has been a pioneering vehicle since it was conceived of. That brake pedal configuration is actually contra to how SBC brakes were configured. That system could tap the pad against the disc to prep the brakes for rapid application and dry the discs in the rain. Also, why is the driver sensor not with the rear view mirror any more? It's trying to stare into your soul! Riddle me this one. Does the electric BMW 7 series have significantly less range than this? Is it otherwise a lesser vehicle? I do hear it's heavy. Which of these two is the more appealing, assuming this does represent an electric S-Class for now.?
The UI on those screens looks like it was designed in 2009… Not what you want in the newest high end Mercedes.