@@letitrip5139 only will hit 50k if basically no one wants it, even used and cheaper than new. So, that won't happen. For 80k it's probably a superb car. For 70k it's a bargain and find many buyers. For it to hit 50k it would have to be older than 5 years and have a lots of miles on it or would have to be a crashed example. For it to hit 50k as the average selling price you probably have to wait until 2032... But in any case, depreciation will be brutal on this thing as its current price is ridiculously high for what it's offering.
So true. Problem is the maintenance will be a nightmare on this with all it's tech gimmicks. Definitely want to get a warranty with it. I'm just not sure I can put up with the interjor controls and interface.
Different cars entirely, the Turbo cab is a rocket ship that's really good to drive for a drivers car and most enthusiasts will buy the Turbo cab. The SL63 AMG is an isolated warp drive car for people who have little to no interest in driver involvement but want to go really fast in luxury, it's taken a lot of the tech from the outgoing S Class Coupe which was killed off in 2020, it's now the flagship Mercedes. Also it's not air suspension which they keep saying in this video it's hydraulic.
@@ukwan They're both luxurious and high performance cabs that will be cross-shopped. But yes the SL definitely focuses more on the luxury part (tho it's still an AMG) and 911 more on sport aspect. The problem with the SL is it's horrible control interface (especially steering wheel) and UI undermine the luxury experience. That's something the Bentley (and Porsche) do much better on.
@@The_Stanmanhorrible? According to who? You? Can you even afford one? Cause I chose this over the VW porsche after comparing both and don't regret a thing. Just saying, there's alot of talk from people who'll rarely even see one let alone own one. Porsche or benz. Just saying.
Can someone please tell me where I can get this Turbo Cab that is priced the same as this car? I would like to purchase one from your imaginary dealership. We all know that 911 starting prices mean nothing. If you would like things like brakes, tires, seats a radio etc.. you are going to pay a hell of a lot more than this car costs fully loaded. What a stupid comparison.
you can put it into full manual. it's in the AMG dynamics screen. and if you press the roof up/down button twice and hold, the top will open or close without holding the touchscreen swipe.
It would be cool if you tested the SL43 AMG! Its a 4 cylinder engine, RWD only, no rear steer, has a electric assisted turbo and a small electric motor to help the combustion engine at low rpm. I'm just curious.
1:45 Eh, the SLS came in at 5-600 pounds less than the current SL63, so for what it's worth, the SLS was probably the most recent "light" iteration of this car, especially considering the SLS is also the direct predecessor to it (SLS, AMG GT, new SL63 since all three were built by AMG.) SL also originally meant "sport light" (1:52); the SLS did break out to "super light sport" though. 2:53 lots of hate for the new SL; the car is intended to be a complete reboot, so it's not unsurprising that new buyers might actually want to track it. The old SL platform is deceased; this is directly descended from the AMG GT.
The AMG GTC is really what the SL should have evolved into and much more inline with original SL’s mission as having a lot more sport than luxury. This seems like Mercedes trying to differentiate the 2 by adding useless rear seats and giving the car a lot of previous S Class Convt styling
Great review as usual guys. The SL is basically the top down version of the next GT, that’s why it has different driving modes and race mode. Definitely a different take on SL’s of the past.
I would save 100k , skip all of that complexity and get an LC500 Convertible , its a similar car but actually has a sound to it and in my opinion looks better inside out
Just an FYI, the 911 cabrio, starting with the 991, has a top which consists of 3 magnesium panels basically "connected" by cloth. The only cloth only sections are the sail panels. That's why it feels much more substantial and deadens sound better.
For years I’ve spent untold amounts of dollars looking for the perfect car to carve through winding roads with changing elevations. Then I remembered I live in Chicago
No why would they be? With the turbo you get .5 faster acceleration, in the benz you get better everything else, while both cars look great. Btw, porsche is a glorified VW, while Mercedes is a stand alone company winning F1 championships with their engines...
@@jackmarston2515 F1 has nothing to do with road cars. Turbo is way faster than .5 seconds. The turbo has been the best all around sport car you can bye, the reliability of Porsche is untouched so I’m not sure what you’re talking about
When the SL was a hardtop convertible, I saw it as such niche and desirable GT car, even in its “ugly” generations. Now that it went soft-top, it’s difficult to imagine buying one of these over a 911…
No $200K should be a soft top. Hell, no $100K car should be a soft top. I mean even my old ass bmw 335i has a hard top. That car was actually pretty advanced for its time.
No its not. 911 is an overpriced VW bettle lmao. Who gives a shit if it's .5 seconds faster. I'll take a better quality, more luxurious, just as good looking but better pedigree mercedes-benz any day over a company that can't survive on its own.
Just got back from the AMG Driving Academy at Circuit of the Americas where I got to drive the brand new SL 63 on the track at top speed and do hot laps. Definitely fast and tons of grip. I actually found it shockingly competent. It is definitely not a Boulevard cruiser . It is Not as nimble and light or visceral as a 911 turbo. But for what it is, it’s very impressive.
We're getting to a point where I no longer want the new stuff. The digital gauge cluster is horrible looking. For that amount of money, I expect a Rolex. A nice cluster to look at while driving. Don't give me an Apple Watch and tell me it's better. It may do more, but I don't care. Some of these trends need to go away, quickly.
I was confused when the guy seemed to insinuate a 911 looks less expensive? Unless I misunderstood. Either way, a 911 to me looks like the pinnacle of high-end, six-figure, albeit-lower six-figure, sports car
Matt understands the buyer and use case 100%. This definitely isn't for canyon carving or the road course; it's for the Country Club, and it has been for quite some time now. A 911, Bentley or Vette might be a bit too 'crass' for this kind of buyer.
One of the C levels at my company with who knows how much money talks about how the k900 was the favorite car he ever owned. Now drives an XJ but couldn't tell you what's under the hood
No man this type of buyer wants something more sporty than a Bentley, thats also stand alone aka not owned by GM (chevy corvette) or VW (porsche). This type of buyer understands that a corvette isn't too crass. That's not the problem. It's just another shitty quality chevy thats now literally a wanna be ferrari.. That's it. Who cares how it looks or how fast it is. It's a chevy.
A bright yellow convertible brand new Mercedes. This thing screams 'mid life crisis' more than most cars 😂 The 45 year old man who is recently divorced, only had boring family cars the previous 15 years. New chapter in life. More freedom. Light blue cashmere jumper tied around his back, raybans, chino's, playing Decan Blue, Kid Rock and Bruce Springsteen songs, hair slicked back. Booked in for a bungee jump in Thailand where he hopes to meet his future wife.
I actually rather liked the previous gen SL's styling, I thought it was classy and sophisticated and gave off an air that was appropriate for this class. This one looks really sharp but it's too sporty for an SL, it doesn't really fit in my book.
Those pesky Germans, so precise.... I remember on old Top Gear, both Jeremy and James had the bit about the V10 M5 with the power choices, THREE diff choices, FIVE transmission choices, TWO for suspension.. and INF headlight dim off settings in 2005?
that car is really good looking, but that screen is just so out of place, it's hilarious, it looks like someone just set there iPad on the center console, that dash would look amazing without it
Why does no one talk about the AMG GT's Transaxle... The location of the gearbox in the rear makes it a COMPLETELY different car. It's like comparing a shortened E class to an SLS..
I actually didn’t mind when the audio recorder died too much because you could hear the cars exhaust. If you could splice the audio so you retain the cars exhaust from that source, but use the other device for everything else that would be 👌🏻 That’s a bit picky though lol.
Way too complicated, nice enough otherwise. You'd think turning off rear steer would be a simple software thing but maybe it's linked into the safety programs too deeply to be unraveled. Anyhoo, thanks for the content this year Matt and Zack, been a great ride.
It’s amazing that Mercedes would bring a car to market, in that price range, without testing it through an objective, non-affiliated 3rd party, (like TST, for example) just to work out the bugs you discovered. The rear steer feel, long touch hot screen and refusal to hold a gear are unacceptable for a car of that class. Just assuming that the posh executives won’t mind because “rich people” is a mistake. Some of those “rich people” are regular viewers of channels like this.
No man these guys are true idiots. They had 0 clue of the car. 0. Better fit to review a dodge ram 2500 tbh. There's no steering issue, the screen get warm but not hot, and these clowns never once tried double tapping the roof button. If on first touch it takes you to the roof screen, then surely a double tap must....😂😂😂😂
There is no new AMG GT/GTC. Until there is new development or new news for AMG GT, this is a combination of AMG GT and SL + Original SLs had back seats.
MB is just ripping off their customers with their price tag for this new SL, this shit is way more expensive than both S coupe and GT coupe. If they wanted this to replace the S coupe they should've priced it accordingly. the SL55 barely can keep up with BMW 850 on straight line, you'd be better off getting a Carrera S or GTS over this lol
No they're not. What about a porsche is better? I've compared the 2. So you tell me. It's not nicer inside. Doesn't look better, as I've seen both in person. So what's better? The .5 faster acceleration? A bit faster in the curbs? Who gives a shit they don't win racing competitions with their engines like F1 for example and on top of that it's a fuckin VW. So what do you even know about being ripped off? 🤡
Ready to get another SL. But I'm not buying this car. After living with the glass roof Twin Turbo V12 roadster, there's just no going back to the cloth roof. There's no substitute for the Black Series V12 muscle either [w/ RennTech ECU reflash]. $90k will be a good downpayment on a pristine 5k mile 2009 SL65 and it's appreciating in value. These new SL's won't be appreciating in value because the glass roof V12 experience is extinct and no amount of technology can make dedicated SL buyers forget it. This is an SL for people who don't like SL's. When you shoot your shot -don't miss Mercedes.
@@jackmarston2515 You've been a fan but not an owner. If you were an owner you'd know the SL65 is much quicker on modern tires than originally tested. Most of the torque from the 604hp/738lb-ft Twin Turbo V12 went up in smoke on the OEM Pirelli PZero's. The real world Cup2 tire SL65 does 0-60 in 3.0 seconds flat and 10.9 in the quarter. Brake-torqued to 3000rpm and it just rips. Those Cup2's grip like racing slicks. Finally modern tire technology has caught up to the M275's torque. Even on stock 2009 PZeros 50-70mph passing is 2.3 sec for the SL65 vs 2.9 sec for the new SL63. Bottom line: none of these SL65's is on original showroom PZeros but by now have modern tires. Most owners know the secret to unlocking the true performance is mounting Michelin Cup2's. Because not even AWD can overcome that Twin Turbo V12's tidal wave of torque. PS: That's before modernization from RennTech's 70hp OBDII plug in tune combined with upgraded coil packs, NGK's Ruthenium spark plugs and Green Filter Co's air filters. That unlocks the next 100hp lol.
Mercedes Benz AMG is done. They were amazing at creating fun, loud cars. Basically a German muscle car. But with the newer sound and emission regulations, they are left with nothing.
I have had the top go down holding the button like they said instead of sliding and holding on tablet, but like they said it doesn’t work everytime which is odd.
@@jackmarston2515 says the guy with a dozen comments trying to defend the sl63. Wow 😂. You'd be one of a handful of people to think this looks better. And the rest of that group is blind I actually have a job. And would never waste my money on this given the other options at the price. The only car I can think of this looks competitive against is the new Gran Turismo.. also shockingly overpriced Try and make an actual argument next time
Well I can already tell you who shouldn’t be buying it: Me. I definitely shouldn’t. If I did I’d have to live on the street. It’s gonna be a no go for me boys
911 Turbo Cab is 210k before 25k extras. That’s a tad more than 206k. I actually think that the 911 4S cab is the competitor. I just bought the 22 SL63 for 40% off MSRP. The 911 4S couldn’t touch that value as the same car sold for 20% off MSRP. In the Used market, I think this car gives a lot of value.
Just getting a used 2022 SL63 after trading in my 2010 M6 Competition Edition. Looked at M850i and M8, 911 4S (convertibles) as well. I do want all wheel drive living in Canada for a year round car (My M6 was useless haha in the winter and wet even with Pilot Sports but still loved it) but that ruled out other options like a Lexus which was only rear-wheel drive. The M850i was at a glance very similar look (but bigger) so just wanted something that felt more new and different. Yes the Porsche is a top drivers car but I will never be racing it (I am an old guy now) and there are so many Porsches on the road I just wanted something different. The AMG SL63 just ticked a lot of boxes and I just felt more comfortable in the drivers seat. Now I will be looking for a which college provides the best courses to get through all the tech :0) Cheers
More like whole second quicker. It's funny but when a 911 turbo is .5 second quicker then it's not fractional anymore. Very interesting...this is why car culture is retarded and you guys make buying expensive cars just a little less fun.
In all fairness, the 2006 SL65 AMG weighs nearly 4,600lb. So this is actually nearly 300lb lighter than it was 20 years ago. It also cost $188,000 back then, which is the equivalent of over $273,000 today. So this one is actually cheaper and lighter. That said, I'd still take an older one all day. Better looks, optional V12 engine, less expensive, and will probably hold its value considerably better.
If I was a traditional Benz owner and I heard as much snap, crackle and pop exhaust on my +$200K ultra cruiser GT I would lose my mind! My mk1 VW Jetta GLi coupe with the rich-running CIS injection doesn't pop as much on downshifts as this electronic monstrosity does. I would request that feature be tuned out as requirement for purchase.
This is a much nicer car to drive around town than a GT is. I think this is closer to what the GTs should have been, with the effort put into it that the GT had maybe it could have competed with the Porsches better.
"Whom is this car for" not "Who [sic]". It is for him (not for "he [sic]"). "Whom" and "him" correspond to the object of the verb. "Whom is it for? It is for him."
Guys.... Press the Roof-Button once, and wait a short moment, before you "Press and Hold" it then a second time till the roof has finished its process to open/close the thing... It will signal you "process completed" with a Gong at the end... bloody beginners.
The Germans need to chill with the tech overload. I don’t know any customers who are demanding touch screens to replace physical buttons or for cars to blurt out questions like an automated customer service hotline. Just stop.
Although the name SL has it's own history in the brand, hybridization and practicality have found its way into the the new car, therefore making it a completely different proposition than what the name SL was intended for (sign of the times we live in for better or worse). Mercedes should therefore, either leave the hybridization/electrification and practicality for the lesser models or completely axe the SL. But given the pride Mercedes takes into the name SL, I highly doubt the latter will happen.
I feel like this doesn't really compete with the Vette or 911 Cab. Those are really just true sports cars but topless. This was designed as a luxury convertible from the start, and it's more of a comfy cruiser that will never ever see a track or maybe even a canyon. There definitely is a market for these, since I've already seen quite a few of them on the road and let me tell you, they look absolutely sick. It's a car a dentist would get when he gets into midlife crisis.
This was hard to watch. I felt like Matt understood the prospective buyer but then went on to mention cross shopping the C8......I was glad to see Zack pull his coat tail. The potential buyer of this car would cross shop this with the M8 or CGT if they wanted to spend more. The Porsche bias is getting a bit out of hand too.
Actually the Porsche bias is totally warranted, since they are at the absolute top of their game while both Merc and BMW are totally confused and seem to not know what they want to be anymore. SL and 911 turbo always shared the same audience, if only for bragging rights. But while the 911 keeps on improving in the GT area and is basically on par with the SL now, the SL half-assedly tries to go sport where the Turbo eats its lunch.
@@sebastiankaiser5165That's a bunch of bullshit. Mercedes and BMW compete against luxury sports cars, of which a flimsy plastic VW porsche is not, with its .5 seconds faster acceleration time and worse everything else. If I want a over priced go fast VW bug, I'll look no further than a 911, thank you very much.
At least Mercedes-AMG has finally mounted the brake calipers at the right spots, close to the center of the car instead of outboard for the rear calipers on some of its previous products. Yet still, that weight........my goodness.
Gald you guys liked it. Got to see one in the showrrom in SoCal before I left the region for good back in October. Definitely back to looking like a hot roadster. So is it no longer an old man car? Execs aren't necessarily old men right lol. The CEO of the company that owned the hospital I did residency at has an SL 65 from a few generations ago. Money being no object, I'd take the AMG GT as well.
I agree, was going to suggest the LC500 as well. Looks better, NA engine. Hell I think the interior even looks nicer and the promise of toyota reliability.
As a many time lexus and Toyota owner the issue is no matteer how special and well built the car is, nobody gives a hoot. Women wonder why you didn't get a " better " brand ( German ) and only people interested are 70 year olds who also bought a lexus. I know that shouldn't be an issue but spending that much money it does become a factor, my old S class felt like it made more impact then any of my Lexus's. Its just how hard Mercedes is burnt into peoples minds 🤷♂️.
@@Nightmaretyrant I guess it’s dependent on how much the owner is concerned about their image. If I was shopping in this big GT class the LC500 would definitely be my pick. It’s got so much presence.
In German we call this a "Rohrkrepierer". Which translates to "something that dies within the barrel" - meaning a bullet that doesn't make it out the barrel. Something dead on arrival. The new SL doesn't look the part. It has no elegance. It's also not Mercedes' tech flagship, as the SL used to be. There are other Mercedes models that feel and are more modern than this. And it's true that there is too much competition within Mercedes' own range for a sporty convertible. I'd always prefer the AMG GT over this new SL. They totally blew it on this one. They should have made it an icon of luxury. Instead it's a poser's idea of a sporty Mercedes. And it costs 50% more than it should. They basically made all the mistakes they could have made.
The S class convertible was imo, the 2nd prettiest convertible on the market. Only beaten by the Bentley Continental GTC. For some reason, Mercedes has decided to make the butts of their latest cars... too round/soft imo.
The depreciation on this thing will be epic 😅
It will be a fantastic $50k car in 5 years
@@letitrip5139 only will hit 50k if basically no one wants it, even used and cheaper than new.
So, that won't happen. For 80k it's probably a superb car.
For 70k it's a bargain and find many buyers.
For it to hit 50k it would have to be older than 5 years and have a lots of miles on it
or would have to be a crashed example.
For it to hit 50k as the average selling price you probably have to wait until 2032...
But in any case, depreciation will be brutal on this thing as its current price is ridiculously high for what it's offering.
So true. Problem is the maintenance will be a nightmare on this with all it's tech gimmicks. Definitely want to get a warranty with it.
I'm just not sure I can put up with the interjor controls and interface.
@@barbarusbloodshed6347 check back in 5 years it’ll be 50k
Yeah, good luck with that.
The SL's fatal flaw is that it's priced against the Turbo cab as stated. When that happens it's going to be the Turbo winning all day.
Different cars entirely, the Turbo cab is a rocket ship that's really good to drive for a drivers car and most enthusiasts will buy the Turbo cab.
The SL63 AMG is an isolated warp drive car for people who have little to no interest in driver involvement but want to go really fast in luxury, it's taken a lot of the tech from the outgoing S Class Coupe which was killed off in 2020, it's now the flagship Mercedes.
Also it's not air suspension which they keep saying in this video it's hydraulic.
@@ukwan They're both luxurious and high performance cabs that will be cross-shopped. But yes the SL definitely focuses more on the luxury part (tho it's still an AMG) and 911 more on sport aspect.
The problem with the SL is it's horrible control interface (especially steering wheel) and UI undermine the luxury experience. That's something the Bentley (and Porsche) do much better on.
@@ukwan it can’t really replace the S coupe considering it has a soft top
@@The_Stanmanhorrible? According to who? You? Can you even afford one? Cause I chose this over the VW porsche after comparing both and don't regret a thing. Just saying, there's alot of talk from people who'll rarely even see one let alone own one. Porsche or benz. Just saying.
Can someone please tell me where I can get this Turbo Cab that is priced the same as this car? I would like to purchase one from your imaginary dealership. We all know that 911 starting prices mean nothing. If you would like things like brakes, tires, seats a radio etc.. you are going to pay a hell of a lot more than this car costs fully loaded. What a stupid comparison.
you can put it into full manual. it's in the AMG dynamics screen. and if you press the roof up/down button twice and hold, the top will open or close without holding the touchscreen swipe.
It would be cool if you tested the SL43 AMG! Its a 4 cylinder engine, RWD only, no rear steer, has a electric assisted turbo and a small electric motor to help the combustion engine at low rpm.
I'm just curious.
I dont think the 43 is available in the USA. We only get the 55 and 63
Correct usa doesn’t get the 43
I didn't know that. Thanks then! To both.
@@surajrs4 Damn that's a shame. That might be the best way to have this car.
@@surajrs4 Still would be cool to see one of them test it, maybe on a trip to Europe.
The SL has actually been available as a 2+2 since the Pagoda, just not in North America. The R230 was the first not to have it.
1:45 Eh, the SLS came in at 5-600 pounds less than the current SL63, so for what it's worth, the SLS was probably the most recent "light" iteration of this car, especially considering the SLS is also the direct predecessor to it (SLS, AMG GT, new SL63 since all three were built by AMG.)
SL also originally meant "sport light" (1:52); the SLS did break out to "super light sport" though.
2:53 lots of hate for the new SL; the car is intended to be a complete reboot, so it's not unsurprising that new buyers might actually want to track it. The old SL platform is deceased; this is directly descended from the AMG GT.
The AMG GTC is really what the SL should have evolved into and much more inline with original SL’s mission as having a lot more sport than luxury. This seems like Mercedes trying to differentiate the 2 by adding useless rear seats and giving the car a lot of previous S Class Convt styling
A step backwards.
I think there's room for both, one lux cruiser and one sport. Lately heritage names don't mean much.
So both exist, what wrong with that?
@@chrisgarret3285 Both do not exist anymore. AMG GT is no more until a few years.
Why? The SL is know for being both a sports car and comfortable and it's a mission AMG intend to take to the next level. Makes no sense.
Great review as usual guys. The SL is basically the top down version of the next GT, that’s why it has different driving modes and race mode. Definitely a different take on SL’s of the past.
I would save 100k , skip all of that complexity and get an LC500 Convertible , its a similar car but actually has a sound to it and in my opinion looks better inside out
Absolutely
Mercedes buyers does not care at the peasant toyota and its obnoxious drivers.
it's a Toyota so not even comparable.
@@jackmarston2515yes the only thing not comparable are their reliabilities
Definitely not as fast, so nah
The depreciation on this thing will be epic
Zack is totally on top of his game. The force is strong with this one
A great GT cruiser.
As Matt said, no one is taking this to the track. On a road trip with some spirited driving, it could be a fun car.
No one but me. Such a dumb mentality.
I'd take one to the track--but not mine!
Just an FYI, the 911 cabrio, starting with the 991, has a top which consists of 3 magnesium panels basically "connected" by cloth. The only cloth only sections are the sail panels. That's why it feels much more substantial and deadens sound better.
For years I’ve spent untold amounts of dollars looking for the perfect car to carve through winding roads with changing elevations. Then I remembered I live in Chicago
Love our ‘09 sl550. So funny how the voice talk still works! Cool car. Only a matter of time all gone. Great vid boys!
This is 911 turbo money!? Are they crazy
I guess it makes sense, since it’s probably been an expensive product. But yeah…what a joke.
No why would they be? With the turbo you get .5 faster acceleration, in the benz you get better everything else, while both cars look great. Btw, porsche is a glorified VW, while Mercedes is a stand alone company winning F1 championships with their engines...
@@gky3019only a joke if you get your car knowledge from video games lmao. If it's unlocked later on the game, it's a better car... lmao.
@@jackmarston2515 F1 has nothing to do with road cars. Turbo is way faster than .5 seconds. The turbo has been the best all around sport car you can bye, the reliability of Porsche is untouched so I’m not sure what you’re talking about
Sounds and looks better then a 911 turbo s
When the SL was a hardtop convertible, I saw it as such niche and desirable GT car, even in its “ugly” generations. Now that it went soft-top, it’s difficult to imagine buying one of these over a 911…
No $200K should be a soft top. Hell, no $100K car should be a soft top.
I mean even my old ass bmw 335i has a hard top. That car was actually pretty advanced for its time.
@@ChristopherGuildaythat include all the other soft top super/hyper cars?
No its not. 911 is an overpriced VW bettle lmao. Who gives a shit if it's .5 seconds faster. I'll take a better quality, more luxurious, just as good looking but better pedigree mercedes-benz any day over a company that can't survive on its own.
Yeah, sure seems like you've never been close to a 911, let alone have ever driven one 😆 @@jackmarston2515
Just got back from the AMG Driving Academy at Circuit of the Americas where I got to drive the brand new SL 63 on the track at top speed and do hot laps.
Definitely fast and tons of grip. I actually found it shockingly competent. It is definitely not a Boulevard cruiser .
It is Not as nimble and light or visceral as a 911 turbo. But for what it is, it’s very impressive.
We're getting to a point where I no longer want the new stuff. The digital gauge cluster is horrible looking. For that amount of money, I expect a Rolex. A nice cluster to look at while driving. Don't give me an Apple Watch and tell me it's better. It may do more, but I don't care. Some of these trends need to go away, quickly.
Merry Christmas! Great channel , thanks!
Styling makes me think of a 80k car tops. I'd much rather have a last gen GT
I was confused when the guy seemed to insinuate a 911 looks less expensive? Unless I misunderstood. Either way, a 911 to me looks like the pinnacle of high-end, six-figure, albeit-lower six-figure, sports car
Lmao both look pretty similar overall. You must be talking out of your ass 😂
@@trevorphillips3922yeah that over glorified VW bettle 911 😂.
*Bro Factor SUCKS they won't show you the price until you put your CC in and agree to be charged. CRAZY.*
"It has a great soundtrack outside the car"
*followed by a video of a car silently passing by with faint tire noise*
Matt understands the buyer and use case 100%. This definitely isn't for canyon carving or the road course; it's for the Country Club, and it has been for quite some time now. A 911, Bentley or Vette might be a bit too 'crass' for this kind of buyer.
One of the C levels at my company with who knows how much money talks about how the k900 was the favorite car he ever owned. Now drives an XJ but couldn't tell you what's under the hood
Bentley. too crass?
@@drhassan6892 Ostentatious, yup.
This car is definitely for canion driving, but wouldn't bring it to the track
No man this type of buyer wants something more sporty than a Bentley, thats also stand alone aka not owned by GM (chevy corvette) or VW (porsche). This type of buyer understands that a corvette isn't too crass. That's not the problem. It's just another shitty quality chevy thats now literally a wanna be ferrari.. That's it. Who cares how it looks or how fast it is. It's a chevy.
A bright yellow convertible brand new Mercedes. This thing screams 'mid life crisis' more than most cars 😂
The 45 year old man who is recently divorced, only had boring family cars the previous 15 years. New chapter in life. More freedom. Light blue cashmere jumper tied around his back, raybans, chino's, playing Decan Blue, Kid Rock and Bruce Springsteen songs, hair slicked back. Booked in for a bungee jump in Thailand where he hopes to meet his future wife.
You captured the ethos of this car so perfectly well. The SL has had such a fall from grace.
Hilarious analysis
Assuming your average 45 year old man having a midlife crisis can afford an 180K car.
At least it’s aesthetically pleasing.
i think the rear wheel steering is a thing u need to get used to. Never heard the other reviewers complain about the rear wheel steering
I don’t know what it is but I just hate the giant screens . They don’t even look they are part of the interior design but rather an afterthought.
First 2+2 SL? Both R107 and R129 could have been ordered with kindersitz.
Zack you're right there is a method to fold the roof through just the button
SL63 is a memorable car for me💛💛
I actually rather liked the previous gen SL's styling, I thought it was classy and sophisticated and gave off an air that was appropriate for this class. This one looks really sharp but it's too sporty for an SL, it doesn't really fit in my book.
100% agree. Especially the SL 65's for me.
Totally agree. Not a fan of this new styling at all; reminds me of the also-hideous new E-class fascia. Too insectoid, not glamorous.
Mercedes… Still better than the looks of every BMW
I would agree. But that said bmw makes beautiful cars too. Not gonna lie.
Those pesky Germans, so precise.... I remember on old Top Gear, both Jeremy and James had the bit about the V10 M5 with the power choices, THREE diff choices, FIVE transmission choices, TWO for suspension.. and INF headlight dim off settings in 2005?
pesky greetings from Hamburg, Germany 😇
SL should stand for "stupid luxury" by this point
that car is really good looking, but that screen is just so out of place, it's hilarious, it looks like someone just set there iPad on the center console, that dash would look amazing without it
That your opinion.
Why does no one talk about the AMG GT's Transaxle... The location of the gearbox in the rear makes it a COMPLETELY different car. It's like comparing a shortened E class to an SLS..
I actually didn’t mind when the audio recorder died too much because you could hear the cars exhaust. If you could splice the audio so you retain the cars exhaust from that source, but use the other device for everything else that would be 👌🏻
That’s a bit picky though lol.
Way too complicated, nice enough otherwise. You'd think turning off rear steer would be a simple software thing but maybe it's linked into the safety programs too deeply to be unraveled. Anyhoo, thanks for the content this year Matt and Zack, been a great ride.
Too complicated? That's just such a weird criticism in 2023. Really.
It’s amazing that Mercedes would bring a car to market, in that price range, without testing it through an objective, non-affiliated 3rd party, (like TST, for example) just to work out the bugs you discovered. The rear steer feel, long touch hot screen and refusal to hold a gear are unacceptable for a car of that class. Just assuming that the posh executives won’t mind because “rich people” is a mistake. Some of those “rich people” are regular viewers of channels like this.
No man these guys are true idiots. They had 0 clue of the car. 0. Better fit to review a dodge ram 2500 tbh. There's no steering issue, the screen get warm but not hot, and these clowns never once tried double tapping the roof button. If on first touch it takes you to the roof screen, then surely a double tap must....😂😂😂😂
Matt riding with his right hand up like that reminds me of driving with my dad.
It's gonna be ok man. chill
There is no new AMG GT/GTC. Until there is new development or new news for AMG GT, this is a combination of AMG GT and SL + Original SLs had back seats.
So using your phone is super dangerous, but screens on the steering wheel and a digital piano for a dash are perfectly safe...makes sense.
at 18:40 did you mean the c8 corvette z51? You said C7 lol
MB is just ripping off their customers with their price tag for this new SL, this shit is way more expensive than both S coupe and GT coupe. If they wanted this to replace the S coupe they should've priced it accordingly. the SL55 barely can keep up with BMW 850 on straight line, you'd be better off getting a Carrera S or GTS over this lol
No they're not. What about a porsche is better? I've compared the 2. So you tell me. It's not nicer inside. Doesn't look better, as I've seen both in person. So what's better? The .5 faster acceleration? A bit faster in the curbs? Who gives a shit they don't win racing competitions with their engines like F1 for example and on top of that it's a fuckin VW. So what do you even know about being ripped off? 🤡
And the reason this car is now more expensive that the S and GT of the past is due to inflation you 🤡
🎉watching you push cars 🚘 on real roads is equally entertaining and INFORMATIVE 🙏👍thanks!
tilt the screen angle upward and top down driving in the sun prevents reflection and screen heat
These guys didn't even know the car they were reviewing. The corvette comment at the end proved it.
Double tab and hold the roof button to use it ...
Simple, no?
Ready to get another SL. But I'm not buying this car. After living with the glass roof Twin Turbo V12 roadster, there's just no going back to the cloth roof. There's no substitute for the Black Series V12 muscle either [w/ RennTech ECU reflash]. $90k will be a good downpayment on a pristine 5k mile 2009 SL65 and it's appreciating in value. These new SL's won't be appreciating in value because the glass roof V12 experience is extinct and no amount of technology can make dedicated SL buyers forget it. This is an SL for people who don't like SL's.
When you shoot your shot -don't miss Mercedes.
Except I've been an SL fan my entire life and this one is my favorite. Much quicker than the SL65 too.
@@jackmarston2515 You've been a fan but not an owner. If you were an owner you'd know the SL65 is much quicker on modern tires than originally tested. Most of the torque from the 604hp/738lb-ft Twin Turbo V12 went up in smoke on the OEM Pirelli PZero's. The real world Cup2 tire SL65 does 0-60 in 3.0 seconds flat and 10.9 in the quarter. Brake-torqued to 3000rpm and it just rips. Those Cup2's grip like racing slicks. Finally modern tire technology has caught up to the M275's torque. Even on stock 2009 PZeros 50-70mph passing is 2.3 sec for the SL65 vs 2.9 sec for the new SL63.
Bottom line: none of these SL65's is on original showroom PZeros but by now have modern tires. Most owners know the secret to unlocking the true performance is mounting Michelin Cup2's. Because not even AWD can overcome that Twin Turbo V12's tidal wave of torque.
PS: That's before modernization from RennTech's 70hp OBDII plug in tune combined with upgraded coil packs, NGK's Ruthenium spark plugs and Green Filter Co's air filters. That unlocks the next 100hp lol.
Great review guys, very interesting to watch. Just one small detail I would like to mention, if I may be so blunt. It doesn't have air suspension.
Vantage Roadster seems like a closer price competitor, we'll see what that car looks like after a refresh.
Mercedes Benz AMG is done. They were amazing at creating fun, loud cars. Basically a German muscle car. But with the newer sound and emission regulations, they are left with nothing.
Companies evolve, calm before the storm
Done.. HAHAHAA.. SHUT UP KID 😄
Lmao your comment will not age well.
I have had the top go down holding the button like they said instead of sliding and holding on tablet, but like they said it doesn’t work everytime which is odd.
Yikes $70k more for a couple turbos and worse styling than an LC
Worse styling? Never. More expensive? No shit it's not a Toyota. Its OK that you can't afford it.
@@jackmarston2515 says the guy with a dozen comments trying to defend the sl63. Wow 😂.
You'd be one of a handful of people to think this looks better. And the rest of that group is blind
I actually have a job. And would never waste my money on this given the other options at the price. The only car I can think of this looks competitive against is the new Gran Turismo.. also shockingly overpriced
Try and make an actual argument next time
@@jackmarston2515since Mercedes is so good why does this car not sell for it’s ridiculous price and dealers are giving $50k off msrp on new sl63s😂
nice car, but the front lights look almost identical to the A class.
So? Mercedes has always used similar lights. Come to think of it, so has porsche. Got a problem with porsche too?
9:30 min - reminds me of an Acura interior. 🙂
I like the previous generation, but this one is good too.💛
Well I can already tell you who shouldn’t be buying it: Me. I definitely shouldn’t. If I did I’d have to live on the street. It’s gonna be a no go for me boys
Usually you remind me on the strongman Brian Shaw but at the food commercial part you had Alex Jones vibes lol
I kinda want them to make a inline 6 gulwing again, like a tribute car.
911 Turbo Cab is 210k before 25k extras. That’s a tad more than 206k.
I actually think that the 911 4S cab is the competitor.
I just bought the 22 SL63 for 40% off MSRP. The 911 4S couldn’t touch that value as the same car sold for 20% off MSRP.
In the Used market, I think this car gives a lot of value.
Haven’t been a fan of the SL since the early-mid 2000s iterations.. Supercharged 5.4
The interior's so complicated I expect drivers will hear a voice saying , "You are cleared for takeoff."
The new "baby" or "mini" AMG GT! You can definitely see hints of the AMG GT in this new car for sure.
Not to be too nitpicky, but this isn’t the first 2+2 SL. R107 and R129s both offered rear jump seats
You guys look like Tom Cruise's and Jack Black's stunt drivers😂 Great vid
Just getting a used 2022 SL63 after trading in my 2010 M6 Competition Edition. Looked at M850i and M8, 911 4S (convertibles) as well. I do want all wheel drive living in Canada for a year round car (My M6 was useless haha in the winter and wet even with Pilot Sports but still loved it) but that ruled out other options like a Lexus which was only rear-wheel drive. The M850i was at a glance very similar look (but bigger) so just wanted something that felt more new and different. Yes the Porsche is a top drivers car but I will never be racing it (I am an old guy now) and there are so many Porsches on the road I just wanted something different. The AMG SL63 just ticked a lot of boxes and I just felt more comfortable in the drivers seat. Now I will be looking for a which college provides the best courses to get through all the tech :0) Cheers
This makes a lot more sense as a $150k SL55 than a fractionally quicker but $50k more SL63.
More like whole second quicker. It's funny but when a 911 turbo is .5 second quicker then it's not fractional anymore. Very interesting...this is why car culture is retarded and you guys make buying expensive cars just a little less fun.
nice listening to you guys chat.....😅😊
What are those sunglasses zack has?
In all fairness, the 2006 SL65 AMG weighs nearly 4,600lb. So this is actually nearly 300lb lighter than it was 20 years ago. It also cost $188,000 back then, which is the equivalent of over $273,000 today. So this one is actually cheaper and lighter.
That said, I'd still take an older one all day. Better looks, optional V12 engine, less expensive, and will probably hold its value considerably better.
Is the 4.0L twin turbo reliable? It seem they are putting it in everything
Coils are the weakspot, causes a misfire. Had it a while back, it's a cheap repair but annoying...Other then that it seems a reliable V8.
When he does remember to eat...he has a loaf of bread and a bowl of speghettiOs.
If I was a traditional Benz owner and I heard as much snap, crackle and pop exhaust on my +$200K ultra cruiser GT I would lose my mind! My mk1 VW Jetta GLi coupe with the rich-running CIS injection doesn't pop as much on downshifts as this electronic monstrosity does. I would request that feature be tuned out as requirement for purchase.
Then you sir don't belong in an AMG. Ever.
What sunglasses are you wearing @matt ?
I will forever be a luddite when it comes to cars. If it has a touchscreen, I don't want it.
This is a much nicer car to drive around town than a GT is. I think this is closer to what the GTs should have been, with the effort put into it that the GT had maybe it could have competed with the Porsches better.
"Whom is this car for" not "Who [sic]". It is for him (not for "he [sic]"). "Whom" and "him" correspond to the object of the verb. "Whom is it for? It is for him."
Guys.... Press the Roof-Button once, and wait a short moment, before you "Press and Hold" it then a second time till the roof has finished its process to open/close the thing... It will signal you "process completed" with a Gong at the end... bloody beginners.
Id take an AMG GTC cabrio anyday over this.
And you'd be disappointed when losing to the new SL63. 😂
@@UTVH21New ones only coup. Want the roadster? This is it.
The Germans need to chill with the tech overload. I don’t know any customers who are demanding touch screens to replace physical buttons or for cars to blurt out questions like an automated customer service hotline. Just stop.
No don't listen to this guy. Don't stop.
Would way rather have a GTC than this, it’s a super fun car to drive. Lighter weight, RWD, physical buttons
And slower and more outdated.
Although the name SL has it's own history in the brand, hybridization and practicality have found its way into the the new car, therefore making it a completely different proposition than what the name SL was intended for (sign of the times we live in for better or worse). Mercedes should therefore, either leave the hybridization/electrification and practicality for the lesser models or completely axe the SL. But given the pride Mercedes takes into the name SL, I highly doubt the latter will happen.
I feel like this doesn't really compete with the Vette or 911 Cab. Those are really just true sports cars but topless. This was designed as a luxury convertible from the start, and it's more of a comfy cruiser that will never ever see a track or maybe even a canyon. There definitely is a market for these, since I've already seen quite a few of them on the road and let me tell you, they look absolutely sick. It's a car a dentist would get when he gets into midlife crisis.
Car manufacturers are taking away from the "DRIVING EXPERIENCE" by just making them faster. Think about that.
so its basically a 200k car that could be used to drive to the golf course or country club... nice
You can take it to the track. Don't listen to these boobs.
Matt trying to justify the C8 😩 But the Merc has nicer seats, nicer this, nicer that, massage seats 💀💀💀💀 I don’t know why that was so funny
This was hard to watch. I felt like Matt understood the prospective buyer but then went on to mention cross shopping the C8......I was glad to see Zack pull his coat tail. The potential buyer of this car would cross shop this with the M8 or CGT if they wanted to spend more.
The Porsche bias is getting a bit out of hand too.
Actually the Porsche bias is totally warranted, since they are at the absolute top of their game while both Merc and BMW are totally confused and seem to not know what they want to be anymore.
SL and 911 turbo always shared the same audience, if only for bragging rights. But while the 911 keeps on improving in the GT area and is basically on par with the SL now, the SL half-assedly tries to go sport where the Turbo eats its lunch.
@@sebastiankaiser5165That's a bunch of bullshit. Mercedes and BMW compete against luxury sports cars, of which a flimsy plastic VW porsche is not, with its .5 seconds faster acceleration time and worse everything else. If I want a over priced go fast VW bug, I'll look no further than a 911, thank you very much.
Matt said C7 Z51 then kept saying new corvette. Not sure which one he meant to compare to.
Forget about this SL hi tech boat. Let's see the GLA45 AMG! The hottest of the hot hatches!
At least Mercedes-AMG has finally mounted the brake calipers at the right spots, close to the center of the car instead of outboard for the rear calipers on some of its previous products. Yet still, that weight........my goodness.
The weights fine. Ask Paul walker what a plastic porsche got him.
How does a car so small weigh 4300 lbs? Is the chassis made of lead?
Full of tech and safety gear. Better quality is how does a car that heavy reach 60 in 3 flat?
Good review I think the 911 Turbo S is still the one for me.
Gald you guys liked it. Got to see one in the showrrom in SoCal before I left the region for good back in October. Definitely back to looking like a hot roadster. So is it no longer an old man car? Execs aren't necessarily old men right lol. The CEO of the company that owned the hospital I did residency at has an SL 65 from a few generations ago. Money being no object, I'd take the AMG GT as well.
I know it’s slower. But, this or LC500 convertible for almost half?
LC500, arguably looks prettier and more special as well
@@alexb00007 I'd say LC definitely looks better
I agree, was going to suggest the LC500 as well. Looks better, NA engine. Hell I think the interior even looks nicer and the promise of toyota reliability.
As a many time lexus and Toyota owner the issue is no matteer
how special and well built the car is, nobody gives a hoot. Women wonder why you didn't get a " better " brand ( German ) and only people interested are 70 year olds who also bought a lexus. I know that shouldn't be an issue but spending that much money it does become a factor, my old S class felt like it made more impact then any of my Lexus's. Its just how hard Mercedes is burnt into peoples minds 🤷♂️.
@@Nightmaretyrant I guess it’s dependent on how much the owner is concerned about their image. If I was shopping in this big GT class the LC500 would definitely be my pick. It’s got so much presence.
In German we call this a "Rohrkrepierer".
Which translates to "something that dies within the barrel" - meaning a bullet that doesn't make it out the barrel.
Something dead on arrival.
The new SL doesn't look the part. It has no elegance. It's also not Mercedes' tech flagship, as the SL used to be.
There are other Mercedes models that feel and are more modern than this.
And it's true that there is too much competition within Mercedes' own range for a sporty convertible.
I'd always prefer the AMG GT over this new SL.
They totally blew it on this one. They should have made it an icon of luxury.
Instead it's a poser's idea of a sporty Mercedes.
And it costs 50% more than it should.
They basically made all the mistakes they could have made.
Great review by the big guy . Listening to a young guy grizzling on is hopeless . Big guy does real world points .
the show wouldn't happen without zach. they each bring something to the table that completes the dynamic
Give us metric units too pls!
I'm short, so I could fit people in the back seat, lol
Love pretty much everything but the color
The S class convertible was imo, the 2nd prettiest convertible on the market. Only beaten by the Bentley Continental GTC. For some reason, Mercedes has decided to make the butts of their latest cars... too round/soft imo.