How Columbus Lost The Jeff Carter Trade TWICE And Helped The L.A. Kings Win 2 Cups | NHL Trade Trees
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Steve Dangle discusses the Philadelphia Flyers decision to deal Jeff Carter to the Columbus Blue Jackets in 2011. He breaks down how Columbus not only lost that trade but then lost the subsequent trade where they flipped him to the L.A. Kings.
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Jeff Carter still gets booed whenever he plays in Columbus.
#Lumbus
This is true
As he should, the guys a baby
Dylan Wynkoop Baby with 2 rings 😂😂😂
Dylan Wynkoop Found the Lumbus fan
So according to this Wyatte Wylie could have been a...Coyote?!
Oh, how the jokes would have been Flying...🤪
I don’t care how good or bad Wylie is, I need to see him in a kachina jersey
Super Genius!
Thank you Columbus, for Carter and then two years later for Gaborik 😂
Wyatte Wylie was drafted with a pick that originally belonged to the Coyotes, which basically makes him Wylie Coyote (tho I'm very happy he's a Flyer instead)
Andrew McGuinness broadstreet Wylie.
Dude please don't stop this series , found these videos like two days ago and I'm hooked , this is some quality sports content.
The tree continues! Voracek traded back to CBJ
If your bored at all Steve can we get a room tour cause I’m always looking at the pictures on the wall
Yeah
Hell yeah!
Was this necessary Steve? :(
Lol I had a hard time clicking on this
Honestly, he should do the nash / gaborik moves. That one also helped the kings win a cup, and I think is more interesting
SpecmenceCBJ yes it is
Thank you Columbus- Signed, Kings fans everywhere lol
Thanks, Columbus as well (partially)
-Signed, Flyers fans everywhere
Don't forget Marian Gaborik too. Kings love Blue Jackets because of these trades.
@@obey2dmax Every year we traded with Columbus we ended up winning the cup 😂
@@SabEric39 Thanks for gifting us Bob
No problem still am salty
Kings love their trades with 'Lumbus. Carter and Gaborik; 2 cups
You should do an episode on the Mike Richards trade as well, because boy, from a Flyers perspective that trade goes places.
id like to see that too
I actually sat down and did the richards trade tree. It really did go places I didn't expect. And might go on a bit longer.
This is such a fun series. I'd love to see the Yashin trade from Ottawa to the Islanders.
The fact the flyers got rid of carter and richards because of their "partying and immaturity together"....only for them to reunite and bring 2 cups to LA.
Gotta still piss off philly fans.
Ok low key, gotta love Sportsnet reading comments, as two trade trees ago I mentioned Steve should explain this trade. Low and behold here it is!
Canadian fans of non-Toronto teams, "This station sucks, they only talk about Toronto."
Fans of American teams, "these guys are great."
Toronto fan, "See, when you watch and comment on your teams content like it or want to kill it with fire they continue to put out more of that content. Funny how that works."
Wth do you mean. Bro the flyers and stars are so rarely reported on, in fact just a few days ago when they did instant analysis, I commented “Hockey’s news is back? REPORT ON THE LEAFS.” Not saying that SportsNet is the best channel, and if other networks had the same commitment then I feel SN would be lower tier. However there are instances where Sportsnet really hits the mark, that’s why I felt the want to comment.
@@alexssecondaryaccount7994 Sportsnet has talent like Stephen Brunt who turn out AMAZING short documentaries on numerous subjects. So your hitting the mark comment is correct.
The thing about (mostly insecure jealous baby) fans of other teams complaining about "TOO MUCH LEAFS CONTENT" is they don't really have any reasoning abilities.
Sportsnet:
-Canadian company
-Based in TORONTO
-Greater Toronto Area holds 10 million people, or roughly 1/3rd of the Canadian market
-Rogers, Sportsnet's parent company, owns half of Maple Leafs Sports & Entertainment
-When they post about the Leafs and receive 1000 negative comments, while posts about say...the Nashville Predators get 25 total comments.... that's actually better for business/advertisers.
Now Sportsnet isn't a Leafs-centric network in theory, but they 100% have more invested in them. That's also why there's way more Jays talk than other baseball teams, not only is it the lone Canadian team... they OWN it. Sometimes I honestly do wonder, do people turn on the YES network in the USA and say "All you talk about is the Yankees!"?
Wyatt Wylie delivered one of the filthiest hip checks ever on me back in 18U defiently weird hearing the name of someone you played in one of these videos
Don’t feel bad. He had something for everyone at the WHL US Combine in Anaheim.
Didn't even mention how Nash had to fly to Carter's home with management on the east coast to convince him to come to Columbus because he was so pissed. Right then we knew he wouldn't fit in here.
To be fair, there was probably revenge for Bobrovsky
As a Flyers fan, Jeff Carter was always my favorite player as a kid. I was sad to see him go, but it was nice seeing him and Richards beat the Rangers.
as a flyers fan at the time i haaaaaaaated this trade. hated it. we were just on the heels of a cup final and you trade carter and richards. our 2 top players at the time. i thought it was massively dumb. but seing how we got coots, voraceck, simmonds, and schenn. i think it worked out quite well.
@SierraPhantom yeah... on ice preformance wasnt the issue with carter and richards back then... Richards problems in LA didnt start there and they liked atlantic city a LITTLE too much...
The Flyers didn't do that as a hockey trade. They wanted to break up the "Old City" crew and had already traded Joffrey Lupul to the Ducks and Scottie Upshall to what's now Arizona. Carter, Lupul, Upshall, and Mike Richards, were both people known for partying in Philly and lived downtown.
@SierraPhantom simmonds played 8 years with us. in those 8 years he scored 25 or more goals 6 times. having at least 10ppg in those seasons. so yeah sure he "sucked". and while schenn, voraceck, and coots arent "stars" they have been consistant workhorses for us. where like the others said carter and richards had a hard time staying out of trouble with drugs and trying to sleep with teammates wives. also that was when the kings where in their prime and had a better defense and quick in net backing them up.
As a flyers fan this trade seemed concerning in 2011, but yeah im good now... im glad i suggested it a few weeks ago...
so glad Voracek helped to end the Flyers stanley cup drought since 1975
@@timeland8343 lol, i love being a flyers fan for this reason more than any other.... we can have some of the best, top 5 of the decade players, and EVERYBODY always wants to say where's the cup? Funny, no one asks that of any other multi year drought team... took ovi almost 10 years before he got his... no asks why mcdavid doesnt have one yet... its cracks me up, be a real hockey fan and not a band wagon rivalry tool
Duane Brady people say that a lot actually, especially about Toronto.
at least we stole bobrovsky from yall
Same brother
Carter didn't want to be a member of the Blue jackets and bad mouthed the team and community. Professionally he stunk and Columbus had to dump him because he was a cancer on the team. If you're that hung up about a team "winning" a trade, try Columbus stealing Sergei Bobrovsky from Philadelphia for 3 warm bodies.
3 magic beans, no bodies involved.
You should do Gaborik to LA in 2014
And after that Blue Jackets hire Kekalainen as the new GM.., I feel like after seeing this fiasco that was the smartest move in their franchise history!
Yup. #CBJ
Haha what do you know Jakub Voracek was just traded back to Columbus for Cam Atkinson
And guess what, Voracek is back... in CBJ.
Update: we traded Jake back to Columbus making them lose the trade 3 times.
Meh flyers fan always saying how they won these trades.... but the best performance was their cup final run with carter and Richards in the line up... not trading them away.
Who’s here after the Voracek and Atkinson trade?
As a half Russian, thanks for pronouncing panarin correctly
Just started watching these, and they're cool man. Really enjoying this series and surprised i didn't catch onto these sooner.
Blue Jackets trading Atkinson to Philadelphia for Jakub Voracek brought me here.
"If you are watching this and are like"Jeff Carter was amember of the Blue Jackets?" " Yup I thought exactly that.
Mike Richard was the man in philly, hard working two way center, when he was traded i was like wth? Then when we traded Jeff carter i was super mad bc he is the last pure goal scorer we had in philly, go down the left wing cut across to the middle, snap shot top left corner,
Wasn't Jonathan Davidsson part of the trade for Matt Duchene?
Steve heard that the Jackets and Leafs will be playing each other in a couple months and he starts coming after us like this... wow Steve wow
The Gaborik to Columbus trade might be even crazier. Like Carter his stay in Columbus was brief and disappointing, but some of the pieces in that deal pinged around like crazy. Brassard in particular went from CBJ to NYR to OTT to VGK to PIT to FLA to COL.
I don't think I've ever seen a team gets fleeced with the same player TWICE
funny to see now that Jeff Carter is a player nobody wants to take, Pittsburgh is stuck with him
Here after Nick Cousins eliminated the Toronto Maple Leafs in the second round lol
Update to the trade tree: Flyers moved Jake Voracek for Cam Atkinson!
That Carter trade i was a little hesitant because of the injuries but when i tracked the Kings production in the final 21 games of that 2012 season the reason LA went on a tear is because their goals for had jumped from 27th to 2nd (i think St.Louis was the only Western conference team that had more goals) in the Western conference over that span.
Nobody noticed it because on season totals the Kings still finished the season in the bottom 5 offensively and were playing Vancouver who had eliminated them the year prior.
I did an article for Jewels from the crown on it. Back then websites didn't track goal differentials per quarter season so i had to painstakingly track every teams goal differential at the time.
LA was already #1 or 2 defensively, but offensively no one noticed the increase once Carter joined LA and thought i was crazy for saying that LA was gonna go on a tear in the upcoming 2012 playoffs.
I ended up right. 😂
Do Joe Niuewndyk Stars --> Devils 2002
This trade worked out so poorly for CBJ you'd swear it was a Leafs trade
Steve, you missed one other part of the trade: The first round draft pick to Columbus was their option for either 2012 or 2013. Of course, when the Kings won the cup and were going to pick last, the BJs chose the 2013 option. So in 2012 the Kings picked Tanner Pearson 30th, a pretty decent top 6 player. And in 2013 the BJs got Marko Dano.
Howson is probably the worst GM in NHL history. He destroyed the Jackets. And its not even the trades he made. Its also the trades he didnt make. Like when Snow offered him every single pick in the 2012 draft for Ryan Murray. And Howson said no....
I just got finished writing my comment; thank god the Jackets brought in John Davidson at the end of this season. If not for that and JD building a team that could compete for the playoffs, I doubt that the Jackets are in Columbus today
It continues
It really didn't help that columbus gave la gaborik which then got la cup #2
Jack Johnson now is a Stanley Cup champion lol
Their is a part of this trade that Steve left out. The first round pick that the kings gave the blue jackets was actually conditional. The condition was if the kings make the playoffs the blue jackets can make a decision and make their pick a 2012 first round pick or a 2013 first round pick. Since the kings won the cup they decided to pick in 2013. So the kings picked Tanner Pearson 30th overall in 2012 and the next year like Steve said the blue jackets with the kings pick, took Marko Dano 27th overall
I'll state that my prediction that the Kings would win the Cup after Terry Murray was fired at my Salvation Army kettle post (I believe the exact words were THE CUP IS OURS!!!)... The Sharks fan I told it to said that he'd put $50 in that kettle the following season if they do... He paid up the second week of the following kettle season...
As a Blue Jackets fan I 100% asked for this, literally because I tweeted that this should be made. I guess I just missed being hurt by my team, and oh boy did this deliver the pain.
Alex Broadhurst, wasn't he a former OHL player with London knights?
Hey Steve can you do a mega vid of all the trades that were involved in the Blackhawks dismantling after the first of their 3 most recent cups
You should do the Wayne Gretzky trade tree
Screw Jeff Carter
-A CBJ Fan
I like water
- A fish
Yes, this but I’d use harsher language personally
You could have kept going!! Davidsson was part of the Matt Duchene rental (as much as Dano was in getting panarin maybe)
Can we get a Mike Richards one?
You forgot that davidsson (2017 pick) was traded away in the duchene trade
Well time to add a Columbus Carter jersey to my SJ Hoffman and Arizona Datsyuk
Get a Carolina Marleau jersey while you're at it
I had forgotten how dominant the Kings were in their 2012 Cup winning run. I guess in terms of the maxim that the winner of a trade is the one who gets the best player doesn't apply if you dump that player after one injury-plagued season.
Can you do the Eric Lindros (which lead to the Roy trade), Guy Lafleur, Mark Messier, Marcel Dionne, Phil Esposito and Erik Karlsson trades??
He said last week that they're working on the Lindros trade
Probably too early to do the Erik Karlsson trade. Let's wait till after the draft. Because.... Omph that could be a real dang-it depending on how that lottery goes.
Love when my hometown Everett Silvertips get mentioned. Wylie is also originally FROM Everett.
I think the Flyers ended up watching a lot of Wylie because of Carter Hart if I'm not mistaken.
artemi panARin
www.howtopronounce.com/russian/artemi-sergeyevich-panarin
and this continues
I love the flyers and this one hurt me
Feel like Jack is a bit too old school hockey, which is good and bad. Coaches just need to utilize his size and shot. I liked Jack, came to CBJ and was a big part of the turn around. Made people happy to be CBJ fans when him, Filigno, Atkinson, and Calvert were openly speaking how much they loved it in Columbus. I think he lead ice time against PItts in the playoff. Of both teams at that.
Poor Dano. Has talent, but I guess he never gained the trust of the coaches.
And Carter. Well as a CBJ fan, F Jeff Carter.
This one continues
He will forever be known as Jack "Minus Forever" Johnson by this Kings fan...
Indeed. He must be a good guy, but was overrated and a major bust. The unfortunate thing with him, according to reports his parents stole a majority of his earnings and hedged his future earnings that he ended up filing for bankruptcy. Good thing his buddy Crosby somewhat helped him out. No team wants to sign him during FA.
Your videos are much better when you don’t go craZy about be leafs.
Go kings go
How Steve pronounced Panarin made me uncomfortable
Panaren
Jeff Carter was a great regular season player for the Flyers, but he was a complete dud in the playoffs, which is one of the reasons they moved him. He had 21 points (13 goals, 8 assists) in 47 playoff games with a -14 rating. He also had 2 points in the Stanley Cup finals vs. the Blackhawks and was a -6.
Yes, my favorite NHL player Artemi Panahren
www.howtopronounce.com/russian/artemi-sergeyevich-panarin
Fun fact, in 2012 SCF game 4 Jeff Carter almost had the game winning goal but the whole puck didn’t cross the line. Almost!!
Dang Steve just make it worse by reviewing the other crap trades and bad moves CBJ made
Dear god our front office was horrid for the first 15 years of the franchise. Ugh. I can't even feel anything about this because it was just part of life as a CBJ fan. Also, the fact that we came back on the Flyers for Bobrovsky 364 days later. That makes up for it a little.
I think buffalo are one player away from following LAK type path. There high end players are still so young, and now there getting better. Making this result late, as it seems like buffalo has been rebuilding forever. Also considering there division, the majority of games they play, are against the best teams in the league. Hardend and sharp teams, from years of epic clashes. But now there going to decline at some point, but buffalo is trending in the right direction.
How did I get to this point??? Oh yah, LA needed one player to fill out the young team, and that reminded me of buffalo.
Jack Johnson was burnt toast for the Pens in the 2020 playoffs and showed that the analytics were right. Just cuz ya play a lot in the NHL doesn't mean ya can't suck
Columbus just redeemed themselves by getting Voracek back for a very disgruntled Atkinson.
Didn’t Jonathan Davidson not get traded to Ottawa in the Matt Dushene trade? Should have called the video “How trading for Jeff Carter landed the Jackets Matt Dushene”
The timing on this is bullshit right after Toronto is announced to be playing Columbus if we resume play. Esp with this dude's crap in the series breakdown video.
Everyone miss the 1-8 seeding. One of the stupidest choices the NHL has made is moving away from that playoff format.
Great trade for us but both richards and Carter got twi cups......
Is this one still going because the Jackets brought Vore back in exchange for Atkinson?
How about a Trade Tree on Dominick Hasek to the Sabres from the Blackhawks in the early 90’s?
And now this trade continues, because Voráček was traded back to Columbus for Cam Atkinson lol
2003 NHL draft San Jose selects Joe Pavelski 205th overall
You mentioned Mike richards in this tree steve... kinda shocked you didn't do the richards trade.... FYI 11 years later not one is this tree technically alive but so is the richards one.
Amazing how Pronger didn't like Carter or Richards so they traded both smh only the Flyers
14:28 Jakub Voracek is a defenceman everyone!😂😂
But it didn't end there for Columbus... it continues with the Panarin deal to New York
I am still angry at Jeff Carter and the Kings for ruining the last time I had any reason to be happy about the Coyotes
Hmm I thought by then that Panarin was already a Rangers. Wonder how that panned out in the end for the Jackets?
Wow we got coturier, voreckek, for Carter? Columbus basically gave us 2 of our top 6 lol ty Columbus
This would need an update, considering that Jake is back in Columbus.
Mike Richards was my favourite Flyer.
And now in 2021 LA trades Carter to Pittsburgh for 2 drafts pick ... so this trade tree as a new branch
As a flyers fan you made me smile when COVID-19 made me saaaaaad :(
Trading is never an exact science but, oh, when it works out, it really does
As a Flyers fan, this still makes me giddy! I smiled through the entire video
Nothing brings me more joy than hearing Canadians say, "Out!" Gawd, I love ice hockey!
My American friends tell me I do it, but I still don't think it's as pronounced. But there's another NHL UA-camr I watch sometimes, I DIE laughing everytime he says out/about. It's so thick it's incredible.